Stupid Things Catholics Say To Protestants
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The idea for this video came from my own experience in protestant churches before I became Catholic as well as from interactions I’ve had since becoming Catholic, especially on my UA-cam channel in which I encounter a lot of the same remarks and arguments from protestants about Catholics over and over, and instead of responding to them each time, I thought it would be more useful to be able to direct them to a video that catalogues them and responds to them. So that gave me the idea to make a video called “Stupid things that Protestants say to Catholics”, but I thought, to be fair, I should try to put the shoe on the other foot first and consider what kinds of things we Catholics say to Protestants that could be described in the same way.
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I like how Brian says that, when he was a seven-month-old infant, his "beard was a lot thinner back then." 🤣 Apparently little Brian was born with a dusting of reddish whiskers from the get-go!
What's actually funny is that babies actually do have facial hair when their born, my son is 4 months old and he had white facial hair, the doctor said it's very common and that It will fall off in the coming days and it did just that.
Sounds like esau
A long time ago I worked with a Catholic man and he'd say of Protestants, "and they're still protesting after all these hundreds of years". He said that the Catholic church had addressed the issues that Luther had raised and therefore there was no longer need for them to continue their protesting. I'm Eastern Orthodox BTW but love listening to your talks every week, Brian. May God continue to bless you and your family richly.
The reason for that is because we won't accept the pope's claims to be infallible, and the Roman Catholic church literally won't let us back in unless we do. [Edit: yes, I understand the pope only claims infallibility when speaking ex cathedra]
@@JW_______ unfortunately the Catholic church has added some doctrines which do complicate matters for both Protestants and EO.
Protestant here, they have been reduced but the core issues are STILL there, enough to keep us to continue protesting that is.
But of course, Unity amongs Christian i think still has more priority, especially in this day and age. Unity is not uniformity though. So I still do pray for my Catholics and Orthodox brothers and sisters to be united in Christ soon, in this world or perhaps in Heaven. Peace ✝️🙏☦️
Not protesting. Just reject the Supreme authority of the Bishop of Rome. For Roman Catholic yes. But not the whole universal body of Christ. Venerable Patriarchy only.
@@budicaesar1213🤺☦🇷🇺 No, you are not Christians. The unity will be only with Catholics, Jews and Muslims. Convert please
Interestingly, when I was a Protestant having a conversation with a Catholic, he politely said that Protestantism is a heresy (without saying I was personally a heretic), and that is what prompted me to study the differences and realize the Catholic perspective made more sense. I joined RCIA soon after that conversation.
Deo gratias!
Same. If someone hadn’t told me that Protestantism was radically against the Church Christ founded, I’m not sure if I would have converted.
You JOINED a child rape cult in adult life, knowing that it's a child rape cult?
330,000 little boys in France were raped by 3,000 catholic pedophile priests, and it barely made the news, because people EXPECT that from catholics.
Did anyone tell you that Jesus said child rape was UNFORGIVABLE (Matt 18:6-14), and everyone supporting it will get eternal damnation.
You've just bought yourself eternal damnation.
@@bernardevillaw3410 All of that doesn't change the fact that Jesus established one authoritative Church through the apostles. The sins of others don't affect the Church's official teachings.
Indeed. If one does not believe in the concept of heresy, how can he honestly attempt to convert others to Catholicism?
"My beard was a lot thinner back then". That is the sort of humor I'm here for
As a former protestant, I have to say most of the people I knew were fully aware of Luther and Calvin and sided with them against the Church.
Against the ROMAN church.
@@Wilkins325 I mean there were only two denominations at that time so yeah they were responding to the Church.
@@Wilkins325 No, against the Church. Neither Luther nor Calvin sided with the Eastern Church. They disagreed with both Western and Eastern Christianity.
You converted, and joined the world's largest child rape cult?
330,000 little boys in France were raped by 3,000 catholic pedophile priests, and it barely made the news, because people EXPECT that from catholics.
Jesus said child rape was unforgivable (Matt 18:6-14), and everyone involved will get eternal damnation.
That means you.
@@bernardevillaw3410 Dude really?
As a Protestant, I really appreciate how generous you are being towards us. A lot of Catholics have a very low opinion of us. Of course, there are also Protestants who have a very low opinion of Catholics, so the low opinions go in both directions.
We Catholics are constantly bashed. No other faith gets bashed like we do.
@@ccbarr58 I see what you mean here on UA-cam. It seems a lot of Protestants make it their mission to go around to videos about Catholicism and try to refute Catholic teachings they don't like. I don't think I've ever seen the reverse happen.
@@PolymorphicPenguin Aside from channels like this you mean? If a group of people believed 2+2=5, your options are to either correct or leave it alone. Now say you leave it alone, and this same group "converts" and indoctrinates others into believing that 5 is the true answer to 2+2, would it not behoove you to correct them then or continue on? Don't get me wrong, I can acknowledge the great things that the Catholic church has done, but just because it's done some good things but when you got human worshiping, pagan bead mandates, man forgiving the "weight" of sins, etc. You're hard pressed to say any of that is remotely Godly.
@@NaptownSubaru I understand that you if believe a certain group of people are wrong about something, it's natural to want to tell them they're wrong, but it's the way you go about it matters. Some of these critics of Catholicism seem to just leave comments without even watching the video.
@@ccbarr58 Evangelical Christians get bashed also.
I highly doubt I will ever convert to catholicism, but that doesn't stop me from appreciating the channel, you bishop barron and a few others have gone a long way in helping me become more friendly towards those inside the catholic faith.
Look into some Catholic Miracles. The miracle of the Sun, Our Lady of Guadalupe, and Eucharistic Miracles. God gives signs, he doesn't leave humanity high and dry. We have more to cling to than private interpretation of scripture, which often leaves us divided and angered by other views.
Stay away from barron, go with more traditional Catholic sites.
Peter kreeft is really good too.
Read some of his books.
Why would you be unfriendly?
@@carolynkimberly4021
Well much of what I believed about catholicism and how I've been treated by catholics in the past had given me ample reason not to bother with them...by watching various catholic speakers I've learned that many don't have their nose so high in the air and a large portion are just normal people doing their best to live what they beleive to be ethical Christian lives, as a protestant I can sympathize with that.
God bless you. It´s very noble of you to show love for the differents and fight for the unity in the church.
Your example of how we might not recognize Baby Brian was spot- on. I recently shaved my beard after some years, and my youngest child didn’t even recognize me, and wanted nothing to do with me. As a convert, from Protestantism, I saw the parallel immediately: I think sometimes some Catholics can be rightly accused of not recognizing the church without a beard (spontaneous, passionate Christian communities) and Protestants look at a full-grown, mature Church as some kind of creepy monster.
They’re both throwing out Bryan with the beard…you know what I mean 😂
Stupid things catholics preach; The first reason that Mary’s perpetual virginity matters is that it is a question of truth, not opinion, and the fact is that the Church has unerringly defended the doctrine since its earliest days. Certainly the Church Fathers, for example, would not defend an untruth; veritas vos liberabit, after all.
Mary is as much a virgin as your grandmother.
Matthew 13:55 “Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?
Myhusband always had a beard. My grandparents(christian scientist) asked if he got a job yet! He was always employed. My grandma is so cute.
To all Protestants. Hello from this simple Catholic. I hope we can all someday understand our differences a little bit better.
Hello from a protestant, I agree with you
we can understand tyhe differences, but that is far from helping reducing those differences
Yes, understanding the differences leads to the certain knowledge of the heretical nature of protestantism.
@Christian Trevisan lol
Bro, now I know you are trolling. That is the opposite, of what the video is about. 🤣
Still made me laugh
@@tenaciousb4731 No trolling. Protestantism is objectively heretical.
I’m getting confirmed into the Church this Easter vigil, coming from evangelicalism. Your channel was critical in my catechesis because of how fairly but firmly you state the case for Catholicism. Other channels that are too brash against Protestants pushed my decision to join RCIA back farther.
ua-cam.com/video/AAoNfH1rFtE/v-deo.html
In these times, I pray you discern the Holy Spirit to guide you into His Church. There’s so much sacrilege and offences against God. God bless your journey 🙏
Stupid things catholics preach; The first reason that Mary’s perpetual virginity matters is that it is a question of truth, not opinion, and the fact is that the Church has unerringly defended the doctrine since its earliest days. Certainly the Church Fathers, for example, would not defend an untruth; veritas vos liberabit, after all.
Mary is as much a virgin as your grandmother.
Matthew 13:55 “Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?
Welcome home.
Good vid! It’s funny cause many of my Christian friends are prots and they like to try and attack me for being Catholic. I also like joking with them, it’s almost like Christian camaraderie. At the end of day, the one thing that unites us, is we are together in communion in Christ.
My parents were both converts-one from Lutheranism and the other was Pentecostal. My mom’s father was a preacher, and she described his theology as like a sweater. When he’d interview with a potential congregation, he’d adjust his beliefs like he was rolling up the sleeves of the sweater. He was always flexible. If they asked a pointed question he’d answer with another question to try to feel out what position that particular group wanted. This gave her very acute insight into the falsity that is inherent in Protestantism, especially here in the US where there are over 30,000 different “denominations.” Church splits are so common that “church shopping” is the norm, though many deny this.
Btw, eventually my mom became a writer for The Remnant newspaper. One of my sharpest memories is of my mom arguing with a priest after our first Novus Ordo Mass, saying “I was a protestant for 18 years and I know how to recognize protestantism when I see it, and this is protestantism. My dad backed her up all the way.
Novus Ordo is valid. Stop it...
Unfortunately, the Protestants who never left Protestantism mentally are all opposed to the Novus Ordo. Christianity is a mindset. It involves trusting Peter because of Jesus. Your last sentence is about someone who is not trusting Peter, which is Protestantism.
Church shopping is not isolated to protestants. Lots of Catholics shop around to find a priest or a community they like.
@@JohnFromAccounting No they aren't, not in the way you do anyway
@Shawn I agree. Novos Ordo valid but some worship is just so unusually more holy in its atmosphere. My church is obviously struggling. Please pray for priests.
Thank you Brian for the recent uploads you’ve put out! Will you be putting out videos at this rate consistently? I’m barely catching up lol. Again, thanks! 😇
Brian I disagree, as a former Protestant I can say that hard truths are what converted me; Knowing that I was a heretic and not part of the one true Church. A pandering Church that is more concerned with feelings than the truth, and that is more concerned with carving out a way to salvation while remaining in error, converts no one.
Same. The people who weren't affraid to offend me got through to me.
Based.
Yup.
The truth works on its own behalf and wins .
This is exactly what I try to tell people. I would add that in order to be a true Catholic you need to reject Vatican II and her antipopes. You should check out the debate Br. Peter Dimond had on Pints with Aquinas. Im glad you realized you were a Protestant heretic, but if you didn’t reject Vatican II you did not convert to Catholicism.
Amen
Former protestant here. Everyone of us is guilty of having said some "stupid" things. But I can assure you, I've never heard anything more "stupid" and down right hateful than what protestants say and especially what adventism teaches and says toward Catholics. None of us will escape giving an account for every idle word.
Stupid things catholics preach; The first reason that Mary’s perpetual virginity matters is that it is a question of truth, not opinion, and the fact is that the Church has unerringly defended the doctrine since its earliest days. Certainly the Church Fathers, for example, would not defend an untruth; veritas vos liberabit, after all.
Mary is as much a virgin as your grandmother.
Matthew 13:55 “Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?
@@kylecityy Its not complicated. Once you have sex, you are not a virgin. God does not care if you did vaginal rejuvenation or whatever bs catholics believe Mary did. You can't unmurder or unlie. Virginity is more than flesh and blood. But good to know Catholics have such poor understanding of basic science.
Hi stupid catholics. How on earth is Mary a perpetual virgin after Joseph consummated their marriage and she had many children after Jesus?
Matthew 1:24-25
When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.
Matthew 13:55 “Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?
@YAJUN YUAN yet Adventism can only trace it's beginning to Ellen G. White and the Catholic Church begins directly with Jesus and the apostles.
Very charitable, Brian. Very insightful video, nice job.
Love the video, Brian! I'm looking forward to "Stupid Things Protestants say about Catholics", and then I would be super keen to get your thoughts on "Stupid Things Atheists / Agnostics say about Catholics" and vice versa.
Brian doesn't make videos long enough for those topics.
@@thereaction18 I think Brian would be able to pick a few examples and make a good video!
@@Kevigen Probably, but don't you get tired of hearing all the stupid things Protestants say about Catholics and all the stupid things atheists say altogether?
@YAJUN YUAN I think that means "Patreon member"
I second this
Thoughtful content. I appreciate the spirit within which it was shared. I'll look forward to your next video as well.
I’m a Lutheran and I just want to say, I appreciate this video. In the end we are all serving the same God. While we disagree on some pretty important things, we are still Christian and working towards the same goal. I look forward to the Protestant video!
Amen to that!
Very gracious of you to make a video about the misunderstandings Catholics have about Protestants and to make it before the one about Protestant misunderstandings about Catholics. As a Protestant here is a list of misunderstandings which I find that Protestants have about Catholics:
1. That they worship Mary and the Saints
2. That the Pope is infallible in everything he does and says.
3. That they consider Church Tradition to be more authoritative than the Bible.
4. That they prohibit their congregants from reading and studying the Bible on their own.
5. That a Catholic believes they can sin all they want as long as they go to Confession afterwards to confess it.
Granted it isn’t Protestantism, but I’ve seen new non denom churches be “Gospel Only” and they come across as very ignorant of history. Especially the early church and OT stories
A lot of protestants haven't even read their bible, much less church history.
I don't believe anyone can say you weren't fair or charitable in your assessments, Mr Holdsworth. Well done.
Magisterial Reformed here, with phd in history of reformation. At the same time, I’ve also taught myself Latin and have the te deum put to memory, I’ve read (and enjoyed immensely) the works of Gregory the Great, Leo XIII’s encyclicals, as well as numerous church fathers.
Why do I mention all that? Not to boast, but because none of you know me, nor I you, and I want to give you a sense of where I’m coming from in shorthand.
Im a Protestant, but also convinced that there is much to be gained from charity - a virtue that this video exhibits. I see that same charity in the works of Protestant and Catholic theologians in the 1530s/40s, and also afterwards, although it became harder for both sides to hear one another after that.
I say this in full knowledge of what could be said to me in response, and of what the Protestant / rcc apologetic might be - I have found myself in greater and greater sympathy with the Roman church in recent years, and have found greater and greater riches in its authors.
Respectfully, we are not the Roman Church. We are the Catholic Church, with Peter's seat which happens to be in Rome. I am glad you find Catholics charitable. I would politely ask that you name us accurately. A Byzantine Catholic is not a Roman Catholic.
"full knowledge," eh? Well color me skeptical, but...
Have you come across the writing of Newman ?
@@davidmcpike8359 the hubris…
How To Be A Christian is an excellent Catholic channel. Unapologeticaly though charitably Christian.
(Protestant currently doing RCIA)
When Catholic Truths were revealed to me as a former Protestant of the very real possibility I may not be saved I began seeking. Eventually I became Catholic.
Catholics who adhere to the Truth, & express it Charitably will convert people. But we MUST express those truths.
Very good video nonetheless though, you helped me in that process more than you know!
ua-cam.com/video/tm3UOF_U6aM/v-deo.html
Stupid things catholics preach; The first reason that Mary’s perpetual virginity matters is that it is a question of truth, not opinion, and the fact is that the Church has unerringly defended the doctrine since its earliest days. Certainly the Church Fathers, for example, would not defend an untruth; veritas vos liberabit, after all.
Mary is as much a virgin as your grandmother.
Matthew 13:55 “Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?
I’m a Traditional Anglican, It is surprising, and simultaneously unsurprising to see this video from Holdsworth.
What do you think of Newman....who drank first to his conscience and then to the Pope?
None of those were stupid... If you replace the word Protestants with Protestantism (as no one can pin down what Protestants believe):
1. True-ish: JW, SDA, LDS are not Christian
2. True: Protestantism is heresy
3. True: If it respected history, then why the protest?
1. Your typical American Protestant, whether they be Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, or whatever may be, all profess Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, and have gone to spread the good news. Ironically, this point could be put on catholics, but more on that in point 2
2. Protestants value the word of God. Although it is like you said, that there is no singular protestant doctrine, there is a broad inclination to Sola Scriptura in some form or another. No matter what the church, all the Protestant churches I've been to have made Holy Scripture the key focus. Not to say they're perfect, I wish they would not interject with personal stories and instead focus on Jesus and the word of God. Yet Catholics, such as Mr. Holdsworth, seem to rarely point to scripture. I honestly would be a Catholic if they stopped bowing to The Pope so much(Perhaps a stupid argument of Protestants?) and more focus on the word of God. I understand perspectives of Saints have merit, but who has more merit than The Almighty himself? Isn't that the point of Worship, To Worship The Lord?
3. We respect history because we know of the 95 issues Martin Luther brought up about corruption in the Church. We know how the Catholic Church has gone off the rails in recent years. At least with Protestants, you can recognizably understand there are good sections and bad sections. Yet with Catholics they are supposed to be united, yet oddly seem more divided than Protestants at times.
It seems in identifying the problems of The Catholic Church I've also found problems in The Protestant Churches. I truly wish we could all unite in Jesus Christ, perhaps a renewed Catholic Church, akin to the old Church; Steadfast in the faith, filled with saints, loving, charitable, preaching the word of God.
In fact there's some parts of The Catholic Church I do like; Music that calls to God and harmonizes my spirit with The Holy Spirit, dress and ceremony that truly bring me closer to The Lord, a grand tradition of Charity, a history of inspiring all European men to fight for Civilization, from Frenchmen at The Battle of Tours, to The Winged Hussars of Poland at The Siege of Vienna. When The Catholic Church is a unifying force, it truly unifies us to become Christlike in unity and strength. Further, my Father and Mother both have Catholic roots. I love Tradition and Heritage, it would make all of the sense in the world to convert, but for the fact I am spiritually at home, The Baptist church in my case.
I want to return, that rebellion be no more, save for the old home's degradation and rot. Perhaps that's part of the problem, Christians don't all have a home they can singularly point at. Well, at least on Earth. Praise God, that I'm saved as you are, and that we'll one day join together in Heaven, singing songs to The Lord, all sin gone in our merriment. All divisions, quarrels, and strifes cease, united in Christ, respectful differences in blood and lineage, yet divided no more by doctrine or who we are individually.
Perhaps we can work together on this vision. Someday, God willing, we'll come together again, imperfect while on Earth, yet one big happy family.
Despite our differences, Grace and Peace be unto you from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. :D
@@olhickory9815 It is better to speak on Protestantism rather than an individual, as what you have written only applies to some. This is from an article online:
_"About a third of evangelicals say Jesus was a “good teacher” but was not God, according to a LifeWay Research study created for Ligonier Ministries. Also, 65 percent of evangelicals believe “Jesus is the first and greatest being created by God” a statement that goes against the Bible’s teachings."_
@@Troy-Moses I do agree that many self proclaiming Christians hold to unchristian theology and in effect aren't true Christians. However, there are many Protestants who do. Hence why you have to delineate which Protestant church you mean. It'd be like saying all Americans are the same. It just ain't so, you have some good old Americans, some meh Americans, and the bad ones. Some are genuine Christians, and some aren't.
As I write this it's occurred to me this goes against what I said earlier to a certain degree. So I'm changing my stance somewhat, but the point still stands that you can't leave out a significant portion of Believers in Christ just because some who claim the name of Christian act un-christlike. It's why when I criticize The Catholic Church, I don't talk ad nauseum about 'muh priest touched a little boy' as if that's every Catholic everywhere. It's the fact that The Pope, who is the Leader of The Catholic Church on Earth, seems to go against God in many regards on a Theological basis. Genuine Catholics also seem to want to go against the current Pope. Seems to me like a kind of rebellion against 'church doctrine' but obviously y'all are sticking to the Teachings of Christ more than the ones who agree with The Pope's decisions 100%. Not a bad thing, sticking up for God's way.
I'd argue there's really two types of Christian; Conservative and Liberal. Both in Theology and Politics, they broadly align like that, at least here in The USA. Liberals being looser with scripture and Christian teaching(They're especially prone to quoting one verse out of context that supposedly denies the Teachings of Christ). Whereas Conservatives tend to hold more closely to the Christian Truth.
I can't deny that American Evangelicals are more Conservative and also answered that survey as you said, but there's another factor to this.
That is the matter of Atheist influence upon the Church as a whole(Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox). Either watering down Church Teachings, or misappropriating false doctrine to The Church. Baptists and Evangelicals are better than certain Lutherans and Episcopals. Or that one "preacher" who claims Jesus and the devil ware on the same side and it's God who is against us. That's true heresy and downright of the antichrist.
You can't tell me Catholics haven't also been affected by this atheist attack on The Body of Christ.
It's less a matter of questions of relatively minor doctrine (I.E. Are we Predestined or have Free Will) but rather what are your views on Christ and The Christian way.
@@olhickory9815 We are not necessarily "saved". That's heresy. We all have the ability to turn away from God through sin and, if unrepentant, go to hell. Jesus and the Apostles told us what is necessary for salvation and it entails a lot more than an "altar call".
@@carolynkimberly4021 Are you saying that when Jesus met Paul on the road to Damascus, and Paul worshipped him right away that he had a choice to overrule God? Are you saying that God doesn't have supreme authority? Are you saying that on The Cross when the one man by Jesus' side rebuked the other for doubting him, that when Jesus said "today you shall be with me in eternity" that that man could turn away before hand? Are you saying we have supreme authority over God? That's what that statement sounds like
If you don't mean that and instead meant it's a hard road, of course it is. "Straight is the gate, and Narrow is the way, few there be that find it" There are some men who believe they are saved but they don't know what that means. Well, scripture says "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believe?"
and "by grace and faith are ye saved, not of yourselves lest any man boast"
"faith without works is dead" Might be what you retort to the above, yet is it really faith without works? It's just proclamation. Yet when what you call an "altar call" happens, then one is given a chance to publicly declare himself before God.
As I have seen in my own life, all those who turn from him never really knew him in the first place, they're just fakes. They took his grace and love and threw it away. They made no change, they didn't repent.
Salvation necessarily involves the whole. So yes, we are "necessarily saved" because without Christ we'd be damned to hellfire for eternity.
Freely given, undeserved Grace from God, and the Faith to trust in him, that's what saves us.
Peace and Grace to you brother. The Love of God be with you.
About the (well-put) point on heresy, while I do agree overall, I do also have to wonder when the personal culpability actually sets in. The average normie Catholic "material heretic" and your average normie Protestant are probably in the same boat, through their errors being rooted in both a lack of knowledge and lack of desire for correct knowledge, but at what point would that lack of curiosity be allowed to be blamed on that individual? Especially when it seems a lot of Protestants are basically persisting in their errors because, for one reason or another, it would be too much of a hassle to convert. It's also worth considering that many Protestants have no qualms with the doctrinal differences between Protestant denominations, but DO often have problems with Catholics, resulting in this appearance of "I'd be OK with being any type of Christian, EXCEPT Catholic." I can agree overall that "heretic" may not apply today as it once did, but when enough misunderstandings have been corrected and yet the individual Protestant still doesn't wish to submit to the Church and her teachings, for reasons that basically boil down to "I don't like the idea of those teachings being true and/or of calling myself a Catholic", I really don't know what else you can call it, and I don't really know what reason there would be to NOT use the word "heretic" other than out of a (possibly-correct but also possibly-misguided) sense of politeness to our brothers and sisters.
As someone you would call a Protestant, I was baptized into the body of Christ alone, mindfilly into the one holy catholic and apostolic as best my presbytees (elders) could understand it from the word of God. I would nothing more than to be united into the one body with all apostlolic orthodox Christians.
Read the history of Jan Huss, and try to see if someone could see him as someone devout to the catholic faith being horrible executed for a number things the Catholic now allows but didn't in his day. Communion in both kinds weekly, venacler bibles and service.
Secondly, find the first named person who was infant baptized? From my reading of history it wss Julian the Apostate. All the grwat 3 and 4 century saints that we know of when they wherr baptized were not baptized as infants.
Furthermore, for better or worse I have an English perspective on history. William the Fat was blessed by the Pope and ended the selection of English kings by the witan, he then committed near to genocidal harrowing of the North. Or the Pope declaring Q E 1 a heretic, and sending the armada etc. I can love catholics as my brothers in the Lord but the Papacy from my historical perspective has at times been filled by people whose lifestyles and actions were hard to perceive as Christian.
@@shawnbenson7696 Elizabeth 1 was even more heretical than Henry V111. Both were astoundingly cruel. E1 had many, many brave, holy priests drawn and quartered for the "crime" of saying Mass for the persecuted faithful in England. If the armada had succeeded, the Faith of the people would have been restored and the plundered monasteries given back to the monks and nuns.
@@shawnbenson7696 And Peter, the first Pope, denied Christ three times, definitely not a Christian thing to do. Yet that doesn't mean he's not the Pope chosen by God, or that there's somehow no longer a Holy Magisterium, instituted by Christ, which would be inappropriate to break away from. The "bad popes" arguments don't invalidate the Church's actual teachings on what things like Papal Infallibility actually mean, nor do individuals or groups acting corruptly within the Church invalidate the Church herself. I would just encourage you to not let things like your English perspective on history cloud your search for Christ's True Church -- I'm an American from a long, long line of Protestants, trust me, I had my biases against Rome, and I also converted a few years ago, meaning I had to contend with Francis being a very very troubling Pope. But when the Biblical and historical evidence all increasingly pointed towards the Papacy and Magisterium being true, I knew it would basically be willful denial to let my own biases prevent me from converting. I would advise you to look at what the Catholic Church teaches, directly from the Catholic Church, and not from sources and perspectives that, for historical, political, or even unintentional reasons, might be distorting things against the Catholic Church.
I really understand the point you are making here "any type of Christian except Catholic". That's why PRIDE is one of the seven deadly sins and it is their own pride that gets in the way of the truth.
Converting can be an act of heroic virtue.
Just because we're all called to be saints doesn't give one sinner the right to call out another.
I would maintain that there are lots of Protestants who very much identify with the “reformers” and their cause. I was one of them, but am now Catholic.
Hi stupid catholics. How on earth is Mary a perpetual virgin after Joseph consummated their marriage and she had many children after Jesus?
Matthew 1:24-25
When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.
Matthew 13:55 “Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?
While my mother was pagan and raised me as such, her family was Methodist, and I was baptized Methodist (but never confirmed), and my dad's side is Lutheran. I remember being intrigued by the concept of nuns as a very small child, but otherwise believed Christians hated me, especially as I got older and more into paganism. I've since found the path to Jesus and have been researching the various sects of Christianity. I have been feeling drawn to Catholicism more and more, especially considering how very liberal many Lutheran churches are around me, and with how much vitriol I have seen and heard Protestants (on social media, on youtube, and in my personal life) have towards Catholics. I've personally known a Lutheran to speak worse of Catholics than of Satanists...which was a huge turn off from the faith, to say the least.
Especially coming from a pagan background, I finally feel free from a lot of pagan dogma surrounding "spirits" and such. If I ever feel spiritually unsafe or even under attack, I know Jesus will keep me safe from demonic forces...even though I still feel silly saying that openly. I need to get over that.
You should ask God to guide you to the church He wants you to go to. Listen to Him in your heart/spirit.
Great Video Brian.
If these are your sins there pretty light I must say lol. Myself, well let’s just say I need confession often. 😂
Some of my deepest theological understandings come from one of the best Protestant philosophers/theologians in history: CS Lewis. I can't use those types of accusations while holding that level of respect for the writer of "The Great Divorce", "Narnia", "The Screwtape Letters", etc.
Excellent vid. Thank you Brian!
He's had a massive influence on me too. I certainly wouldn't be doing this without it.
10:50 Pope Leo XIII was definitely thinking mostly of European Calvinists and Lutherans and Anglicans.
Among other things, they were already then tending to abandon Creationism. To reduce certain truths about Adam from historical fact to idealised abstractions without direct bearing on historical facts. That's one of the reasons so many Protestant sects (I mentioned Methodists) could accept eugenics.
As a Protestant, one of my biggest peeves is when Protestants refer to Rome's supposed works righteousness. And we still aren't having the same conversation about justification after five centuries.
I've worshipped with Baptists, Catholics, and self proclaimed Protestants. I believe all these understandings contain truth, if imperfect.
@josiahkronk6846: Baptist's are Protestant
@@margaretoconnor7077 Baptist comes from camel hair John the Baptist, not protesting Catholicism.
@@josiahkronk6846100% prots bro
I am baptist and as the Bible says you put your faith in Christ except him as your lord and savior, repent then be baptized partake in communion, YOU ARE SAVED! The devil try’s to drive a wedge between us Christians but we need to stick together I love you all and may God bless all of you!
Excellent video. I think a similar one but on stupid things Catholics say about Eastern Orthodox would also be really helpful.
I am a Protestant and former subscriber of Brian’s, but I still watch him as his videos pop up on my feed. This is the most generous I have seen Brian towards Protestants, and I do appreciate the effort. I’m not bothered by accusations of heresy, but maybe that makes me a “happy heretic”. Brian does well to present the variant readings of history, and mainline Protestants don’t see Protestant Christianity as a departure from the catholic faith. Protestants understand Protestantism as continuous with early Christianity, but a departure from medieval Catholicism, and there is an enormous difference between those two things. The difficult thing for Catholics is this: when they get to heaven, they will find Protestants there with them. And this will confuse many Catholics in heaven, because according to official Catholic doctrine, this shouldn’t be possible. But I most certainly assure you, it is the reality. I expect, however, that none of us will care when we are there. We will be delighted to see each other. I applaud the efforts of any Catholics to be generous in their assessments of Protestant Christianity, and I encourage my Protestant brothers and sisters to be similarly generous in their assessments of Catholicism. See you in heaven, Brian.
> The difficult thing for Catholics is this: when they get to heaven, they will find Protestants there with them. And this will confuse many Catholics in heaven, because according to official Catholic doctrine, this shouldn’t be possible.
That is not Catholic doctrine. But, if we still think in less-than-perfect ways "up" there, I agree that it will confuse many Catholics.
What a clear and nuanced viewpoint. This helped me grow in charity both towards sincere believers who know nothing beyond what they have been taught in Protestantism and toward fellow Catholics who may have malformed viewpoints of their own understanding of the faith. And more charitable toward myself when I am not as informed or charitable as I should be.
I love so much this video!! ❤️ From the Holy Land
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As an Anglican, I walk in communion with my fellow Catholics and Orthodox brethren by emphasizing how we love Jesus Christ. We love Him for what He has done, is doing now and will do in the future. I find joy in sharing in our labors for the poor that He sees as being done unto Him.
thank you brian, I am a protestant that takes spiritual insperation no matter their denomination, there is great wisdom to be shared that should not be dismissed simply because it is catholic or orthodox or protestant. such wisdom can be found on your channel as well and I dont care if it is coming from a catholic or anybody else, aslong you are not obviously opposed to christianity (lgbtq protestants for example). God bless and may we all be brothers in Christ.
10:21 I'd qualify that.
St. Robert Bellarmine considered that old heresies that are already communities you are born into (like Anabaptists in Transsylvania in his day) are outside the jurisdiction of the Inquisition (perhaps in their case also for doubtfully valid or invalid baptisms, but in Belloc's terms, it holds for old heretical populations even if they are validly baptised) ... this is because in any individual born into a sect like that, innocence is presumed possible. What cannot be presumed possible is innocence in all individuals or the community as a whole. Therefore it can still be called heretical.
It's a bit how you think of National Socialists or even Waffen-SS. Any particular person could well be innocent of the heresy called Gottesgläubige (like Catholics c. 1/4 of SS, with Protestants just above 1/2, 51 %) and any particular person could well be innocent of war crimes (I verified Otto Carius hadn't been even accused of that before I honoured him with an RIP on FB) - but that doesn't mean National Socialism as a whole or SS as a whole are not to be rejected.
Although I disagree with a few things you say regarding "Catholicism" and "the church" as a Protestant I greatly appreciate your charity towards Protestant/Protestantism here. More Catholics should follow suit in their online discourse towards Protestantism with your love and charity.
I appreciate the honesty and generosity expressed in this video. I’m canonically Catholic but find much in confessional Lutheranism more expressive of my theological convictions, what I actually believe. Nonetheless, I thought this was good,
especially your use of Benedict.
You are not the only one, Robert. As a life-long Catholic, I made it a point to study Lutheran history & doctrine. I refer to myself as a Lutheranized Catholic........am 75 years old......not a youngster anymore, but smarter about the INSTITUTIONAL
RCC. The modern mess it's in makes me wonder about a lot of things.
@@johnnyg.5499 - The institution of the Catholic Church has always been a mess. See the New Testament. Lutheranism as a theology is a mess of contradictions. It's also not like institutional Lutheranism isn't struggling anyway. This is bizarre conversation in that regard. Be Catholic. I don't even know what the "RCC" is, unless you are attending a church in Italy.
Thanks for your reply, Johnny.
I like "Protestant Revolution". Great video overall.
It is. So many heresies condemned in the ancient church returned: Iconoclasm, Donatism, Gnosticism…like the wheel of time revolved.
I prefer Protestant Rebellion ;) since it all comes down to authority, in the end.
But there were legitimate abuses they were revolting from, in fairness. It wasn’t like the Catholic Church was at her greatest height. There’s a reason a catechism needed to be written soon after.
It was a reformation.
@@Wilkins325 the full phrase is Protestant Reformation, which occurred OUTSIDE the Church. Inside the Church there was a counter-reformation which addressed the legitimate concerns of abuse in the Church and also addressed the errors being promulgated by protestant reformers.
Did the American colonies secede from Britain or did they reform England? Same thing. Revolution is appropriate for describing what the Protestant Reformation is. If you don’t see it that way, then you have a lot of back taxes to pay England.
@@Wilkins325 No, it was a deformation.
So, you decided to pass over all the genuine examples of popular Catholic misconceptions of Protestant theology and history (I've heard sermons where secularism is claimed to have originated from Luther) in favor of semantic quibbling?
1) Catholic means universal, yes. It also, in modern parlance, refers to a denomination, a type of Christian, who presumably believe their form of it to be the correct one. Its original etymology is less relevant when the word is being used in that context, one would assume.
2) Essentially you deny that Protestants exist in order to establish them as 'non-heretics'. I grant you that most milk and water Baptists probably aren't guilty of deliberately repudiating the church, but they barely qualify as Christian and will be judged for their lukewarmness. The fact remains that they accept false and condemned teachings, therefore meriting the appellation of heretic, and I disagree that whether or not one has personally and fervently committed the canonical crime of heresy in a culpable way in God's eyes is the proper benchmark for the label (I suspect that every Christian writer of note before the twentieth century would agree with me).
I will say to you that it is a sin and a scandal to minimize the danger of false beliefs, which making bizarre statements such as "Protestants aren't heretics" (the seeming corollary then being that they are orthodox) for the sake of a spicy take would probably fall under.
3) St. Newman was saying, in a shorthand, that Protestant ideas were alien to the Church Fathers, and that the clear certainty of this makes it impossible for the doctrinal beliefs of honest Protestant apologists to survive contact with them (or church history in general). Saying that Protestants 'don't know history' is a way of conveying this. I don't think that many Catholics believe that Protestants, as a whole, are simply 'ignorant of history' as opposed to Catholics - clearly, the common churchgoers on both sides are ignorant.
Although even poorly catechized Catholics will know more than your average Baptist, who probably only knows some Bible stories and how his preacher applied them to paying his taxes or whatever.
Jesus was a Jewish evangelical Protestant: He evangelized everywhere He went, and He protested the humanistic tradition of priests in His time. Nothing has changed.
My main issue with Catholics is their rejection of Scripture and replacing apostolic tradition with humanistic ones. And I am persuaded that if not for secular government, papal Rome would still be martyring Christians.
Well said. When Catholics and Protestants (and Orthodox) stand before Christwe all hear "Well done my good and faithful servant" we will realise we took ourselves and our doctrines way more seriously than we should have, instead of loving our Lord and being known for our love for one another.
I don’t understand why Catholics pray to Mary and saints when no one ever in the Bible ever prayed to anyone but God.
Bullcrap. If you believe this, then "well done my good and faithful servant" is not what you will hear.
If a Baptised Christian isn’t adhering to the Laws and Sacraments they are not true Christians. Jesus Christ taught the apostles therefore we need to ‘all’ return to the teaching of Christ. Pride and ego (lies of the devil) is what’s keeping us separated-the offences need to cease, to be One with the Universal Church “I believe in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church” praying for the conversion of poor sinners 🙏🙏🙏
Hi stupid catholics. How on earth is Mary a perpetual virgin after Joseph consummated their marriage and she had many children after Jesus?
Matthew 1:24-25
When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.
Matthew 13:55 “Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?
@Brian Holdsworth ... It's very easy to cherry pick history to find pieces that you present support your current point of view. However one needs to look at history in its entirety and not just in piece meal fashion. St. Ignatius book Against the Heresies is a real eye opener for any non Catholic that reads it because it sweeps aside a lot of the Protestant claims about the early Church.
Hi Brian, thank you for your well-thought out and articulated videos. Much of what you've said about protestants being Christians has been presented on EWTN programming. I do want to ask you about one aspect of this. Many traditional podcasts use the previous papal statements concerning salvation not being outside the CC and state that V2 changed essential core teachings like this. How would you respond to that? Second, many say that if we don't believe protestantism is a heresy, we won't seek to evangelize them or bring them to our Faith. Would love your feedback. God bless.
Points 2 and 3 are partially contradictory. You claimed that protestants could not be heretics in part because of historical ignorance for point 2 and then of course that was the no-no in point 3. As for point 1, we can judge how Christian someone's beliefs are by how they conform to the Nicene Creed. Honestly think you missed the mark with this one overall.
I would include the Apostles Creed: "I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Holy Catholic Church, the Communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting".
The points are good overall as generalizations. Many protestants know history well and have chosen to be non Catholic explicitly, think the baptist homeschooler type. Many protestants don't have a grasp of church history and aren't as culpable. Think seeker friendly megachurches that are very wide and an inch deep in their theology. Both are very common in America. But yes those two are contradictory if we're talking about individual people.
@carolyn kimberly Many protestants believe they are fully in line with early church creeds. They just take "catholic apostolic" to mean basically "interdenominational successor to Christ's teaching." My first exposure to the big creeds was from protestants.
On the point that "Protestants aren't Christian", while most Protestants profess a crucified Christ, there are more than a few that deny He ever existed. It's impossible to call some of these churches Christian if they openly claim that Christ wasn't real and that the Bible is fictional stories that teach us to be nice to each other.
Protestants aren't Christians, that is a simple fact and their Luther was an antisemitic antichrist who taught the heresy of "saved by faith alone" and all the rest of the looney theories. Even your churches look like cheap houses and not beautiful places to give respect to God. Brian was only being nice and good hearted to you as a Christian, that's all
Hi stupid catholics. How on earth is Mary a perpetual virgin after Joseph consummated their marriage and she had many children after Jesus?
Matthew 1:24-25
When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.
Matthew 13:55 “Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?
5:58 How many Protestants are obstinately denying that Mass is a sacrifice?
How many of them are doing so publically, by going to communion services that are not deemed sacrifices?
Enjoyed your vid! On the next one, could you touch on Papal infallibility please?
Thanks!
Disclaimers are just a weak way of saying what you think. "This is what I think but you're free to think otherwise" is a sentiment that should be assumed simply because whatever you say is said as a fallible human person.
Awesome info. Thanks
I worked for a gentleman who didn't understand why there were so many different Protestant denominations. He thought it made no sense that an intersection could have three Protestant churches on three corners, and a little storefront church down the street.
He thought the various Protestant churches and non-denominational churches should merge and locate congregations like the Roman Catholic Church.
That shows how Catholics don't understand Protestant history, such as Wesley's break with the Church of England, or how Reformed denominations are so different from the various Lutheran sects.
Protestant here. Very thankful for the last explanation, because that is exactly the claim that I would make. The Catholic Church has changed in such significant ways, and I would argue in ways that can't be argued to be legitimate accretions/doctrinal developments, to a point where I do not believe that it can be said to be holding to the original apostolic deposit of the faith.
Regarding the "Christians" bit...
So if they've been baptised, sure, decent argument.
But most "Christians" don't baptise these days.
So it's fine to say they're not Christian.
As for protestants being heretics; they are. Materially at least. However you have a point about the obstinate denial of the truth, etc. But once they're informed; they become formal.
As for ignorance of history? Well that's just true. To have a wrong understanding of truth is to be ignorant of the truth.
Huh....Only groups that don't tend to baptize is Salvation Army, which other protestant churches don't baptize? Almost universally Evanglelicals and Pentecostal baptize by immersion on confession of faith. Baptist for example value baptism so much they stuck in their name.
@@shawnbenson7696 IDK all the denoms I've run across but I've run into a ton of baptism deniers, and what's more, tons of them do it wrong.
@@thehitomiboy7379 Do they deny baptismal regeneration or the practice of baptism entirely?
@@jeremysmith7176 Both. They say the baptism is spiritual.
Actually, the baptism is specific to those that baptize in the name of The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Some groups don't do that and that is not considered a valid baptism by catholic standards.
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Matthew 16:18-19
"And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in Heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in Heaven.”
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I am undergoing Lutheran Catechesis and if anything, number 3 applies more to Catholics than Protestants. One can't claim that all Protestants are memorialists when it comes to the sacraments and claim to know history while being honest. The Marburg Colloquy was literally all about how the Protestants should see communion and Luther was in favor of real presence.
It would be interesting to see you do a video on things devout Catholics rarely know that would make us material heretics!
I think the 'heresy' of Protestantism becomes of growing frustration to the devout Catholic as, at the end of the day, it *can* lead these souls and others to Hell. It's saddening and frustrating as Protestantism has seeped into Western Culture and spread Moral Relativism like wild fire.
13:13 “My beard was a lot thinner back then…” Slipped that funny one in there. Was your hair different at 7 months? 😃😃
There are only two forks in the road 1) Right side - Apostolic teaching with Laws and Commandments 2) Left side - the heretical split in 1517 of which there are now 44 thousand denominations. When Jesus returns the reapers will gather the harvest, separating the wheat and the tare. All those still sitting on the fence will fall to the left and ...... Choose the “narrow path” that will surely lead to Christ. 🙏
There are not 44,000 denominations. Not even close. That 44,000 separates unified doctrine across national borders, so the RCC itself counts for like 200 of those 44,000 "denominations".
I would add a few more that I hear regularly.
1. 'The Church Fathers were Catholic' - I sometimes get the point ... ish but it's not exactly an argument - it's not like most protestants believe that Clement of Rome, or Polycarp were three-piece-suit-wearing Calvinists, smoking cigars together, whilst criticising the pentecostal movement! ... Most protestants believe that throughout history, faithful Catholics who followed Christ are brothers and sisters in Christ and spread the gospel throughout the world, whereas as an institution, the church became increasingly corrupt which came to a crisis point 500 years ago, but the line of Christ's Church is unbroken. Some faithful remained Catholic, some became Lutheran, Anabaptist, etc.
Which, although I admit the Protestant movement is currently in a chaotic mess (in the west anyway), the separation itself is not ridiculous historically, especially when we consider that the Orthodox separated 500 years before and there were already other churches in Africa (Ethiopian) and the middle east.
2. 'I can't love Mary anymore than Jesus did' - I can't love anybody as much as Jesus did, let alone more. Protestants love Mary, she is the most blessed among women, she is the best example of submission to God, outside Christ himself. She is the Mother of Christ Jesus. So yeah love Mary, but it's some of the Marian dogmas that we struggle with, especially as they are Dogmas and not optional beliefs, and not evident (or even necessary) from Scripture.
3. 'You believe that you can do whatever you want, just believe in Jesus and you'll be fine' - No! That is a heresy that exists, but I have also seen some Catholics living life whatever way they wanted then simply stating to me 'well, I'm baptised and confirmed so I'm good' I now know that they didn't understand the teaching of the Catholic Church, but just to say that I've seen the same shallow Christian life lived on both sides, using different false teachings to justify themselves. Protestants, in general, believe that we are justified by faith alone, but that will/must lead to a change in lifestyle and good works. The works and change of lifestyle don't save us, but if they aren't apparent at all, then the genuineness of salvation is in serious doubt. Therefore, no contradiction between Paul and James.
Thank you, Brian. I’m a lifelong Protestant reconciling with the Holy Church at Easter Vigil this year. From my Protestant life I’m bringing with me a love and deep respect and understanding of Holy Scripture along with a great hunger for discipleship. The Catholic Church completes what has been lacking in structure for my discipleship with Christ.
Praying for you tonight 🙏✝️
@@An_Drea_Calling Thank you very much.
Brian, I must say it may simply just be a language barrier here in Europe (a mainly religiously segregated place) particularly in Western Europe (Spain, Italy, and France) The proportion of Protestants in so small in these countries that the distinction is done away with by ordinary folk.
As a former Protestant, I have no issue saying I was a heretic.
I came to faith in the Church through becoming aware of my heresies. Therefore, I knew I was a heretic and that moved me to convert.
Right. You moved from material heresy to formal heresy and the latter convicted you of the sin of it. But for those who are merely material heretics, the accusation of sin doesn't fit - which is what we mean when we call someone a heretic.
@@BrianHoldsworth Brian - a material heretic is _still_ a heretic; if this weren't so, a material heretic would _not_ be a heretic - which makes no logical sense; _reductio ad absurdum_ . My comment expounds on this; if you have the time to read, that'd be swell.
I am not a Roman Catholic, nor do I consider myself Protestant (though RCs might). So I appreciate you gracefully explaining this. I believe we all as Christians are The Church and that God knows his sheep. Anything beyond that statement that aims to qualify it, such as "yes but you are in error about...." should not be used to be intentionally divisive, which is heresy. I could see how Catholics could consider Protestants heretics, but despite their errors, they just don't consider the Roman Catholic to be the true Church, and that is most often based on their interpretation of scripture (which if you dismiss as arrogant, fails to convict of genuine belief) or influence from others that have mistaught them about Catholicism. To demonstrate the dilemma, if RCs were to assume I am Protestant AND heretical, assume for sake of argument that I repent and say, "I want to be Catholic" but genuinely can't answer why it should be Roman or Eastern. The test and challenge of our unity as a church is covered in 1 John chapters 3-4. We must not tolerate the spirit of antichrist, nor partner with it. But if we want to argue about the bride, we should instead focus on the groom, then love his bride. If we don't know for certain, we should all still act like honored guests.
Yes the focus on the word obstinacy is of primary importance because obstinacy can occur by silent refusal or rebuff of correction. Obstinacy can also occur by dissimulation or by willful ambiguity. Is it true that there is no salvation outside of the Holy Roman Catholic?
As a convert I can say I have heard most of the them
Brian, I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment of being as charitable as we can possibly be to Protestants, but I'll have to respectfully disagree with your second and third points.
While you're spot on about Protestants being Christians, that caveat alone suffices to rationally frame them as heretics - more specifically, in the way _you_ said: _material_ heretics. Christians can be heretics - non-Christians can't; for that reason, I don't consider, e.g., Muslims to be heretics - which, to my understanding, means Mr. Belloc was wrong about the 'The Great and Enduring *Heresy* of Mohammed'. The correct approach, IMO, is not to downplay the heretical content of Protestatism, but precisely avoid the inflammatory, moral accusation overtones: by saying this or that teaching is heretical, we simply mean it's a heterodoxical view, that it goes against the orthodoxy of Christ and His Church - that's all; don't need to make a theatrical drama off it. Furthermore, you mentioned the importance of the ecumenical councils, but failed to mention Trent - which is a pretty hefty ommission in this topic.
As to the third point, I'd say the criticism isn't so much that no Protestants know anything about history, but rather that they place way too much importance on theology to the detriment of history - which, in their particular case, helped to create a messy ecclesiology that is constantly budding off new 'churches' every now and then, to the point we have the ridiculous amount of 'denominations' that we have. Between the major Christian branches - Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Protestant -, if we want to be objective about the hope we have from within each of these factions, history is our best shot at solving the dispute, because it can point us to what is more likely to be the _true_ orthodox view of Christianity. But by its own nature (and specially via the _sola scriptura_ doctrine), Protestantism discourages focus on historical matters - and we're fully within our rights to criticize them for it.
Hey. Quick history question... What was it that the Protestant Church came about over? it's been a while since i read about it.
Thank you.
You often quote Vatican 2 as a source for Catholic doctrine. As a former Protestant, i was happy to hear the document acknowledged Protestants as christian . I am suspect of a document that caused so much horrible artistic fallout. I am an artist and enjoy many commissions from my newly adopted church. Its sadly ironic Catholic iconoclasts in the early 60s destroyed or removed beautiful statues, much like the reformers did in the 17th century. Your opening theme , i believe,was written by Paul Jernberg, a musician who is trying to return the sublime to the liturgy, whereas Vatican 2 opened the floodgates of mediocrity both in Catholic music and art.
"By their fruits ye shall know them."
The fruit of Vatican 2 isn't pretty.
My mother, who was a lifelong Methodist and often attended an independent Baptist church as a girl, thought Christian and Catholic were synonyms. People who aren't Protestant are Roman Catholics. Anglicans are Canterbury Catholics. Mormons are Salt Lake Catholics. Presbyterians are Scottish Catholics. And so on.
By that definition Jesus would a heretic.
Upon the rock of the rock (Peter) will be built His church. Neglecting just a couple verses later where Peter is referred to a stumbling block. He even uses the phrase "Get behind Me satan". You see to claim the key to the gates and the claim of the one true church, Catholicism stamps themselves with the "seal of perfection" by which pride is the result(the root of all sin)see Ezek 28. Historically there is a lot of massacre over this pride to anyone who dared read, translate, or provide a Bible to any such layman. Even today the church is plagued by ancient forms of pederasty that dont really exist elsewhere like this. When doctrine doctrine upon doctrine is built upon whats right for the church instead of what is right by God we tend to deviate from His plans to our own self-righteous claims of perfection. Solo scriptura is still argued against with passion amongst the Catholic church, but theres a failure to recognize that Protestantism is also built fundamentally into scripture as a way to avoid the stumbling block. Where 2 or 3 are gathered is where He is. But, we stray away. Some in this way, some in that and we have 40,000 denominations of Christians. How beautiful is that! Nobody is perfect, nor is any church. But I tell you if you want to look at how to live not of this world, or how to turn the other cheek, or even how to remove pride from yourself look to the Amish. They do these things truer than any one of us on here. How could we lay claim to being the "true church". You see its by the Protestant reformation that truely causes reflection on the Catholic chuch to eventually, reform things that are incorrect and to evolve. One example would be that of Mary Magdalene whom the Catholic church could not accept as different than the sinner whom wiped Jesus's feet with her hair until the 1940s. Through solo scriptura we can find things without the narrow vision of a chained monk as our authority is God, not the church. Though, I do Love you Catholics, and your church. So I pray for you. I admit that I do see many Christians that could do well and whom it may even be better for them to be Catholic as opposed to Protestant as we are all just different parts of the body of Christ.
Interesting set of videos to watch as a long time subscriber who is Mormon.
Hurrah
Mormons are a cult my friend
Mormonism is a cult just like all Protestant denominations. Convert and save yourself please🙏☦
@@stevenirizarry9427 No u
@@EasternRomeOrthodoxy At least you have better consistency to say all protestants.
But no. I believe my religion to be true, and if most other Christian faiths get their way I should be fine in God's book, and if I am right, they there are greater blessings in store for me while you still get your heaven as most of you imagine it to be for the most part.
So maybe convert yourself.
But I respect anyone that advocates others to convert to their honest faith, so, have a blessed Sunday.
I saw Brian at fiddler on the roof last weekend and I wanted to say I enjoy your videos even though I don't always agree with you but he was with his family. This video I agree more. I remember doing a Bible study with Bullah Alliance to practice my Spanish and those guys really know their stuff and had beautiful fellowships I seldom see in the catholic church.
The Catholic Church is here to give people fellowship with Jesus. Fellowship with other people is desirable, but way down on the list.
It was great to meet you. I wish we had more time to unpack your journey. If you want to discover beautiful Catholic community, come check us out at the Latin mass: vitalgrandinchaplaincy.ca/
Idk man it seems like the church fathers meant something by "there is no salvation outside the church" than the current church means by it. Which seems to call in to question the whole "true now and forever" element of dogma
The Marauders Map at minute 15:35 is for sure a genial hint to Catholicism being the Room of Requirement in this Voldemort-ruled Hogwarts we call Earth
The reason I decided to start looking into Catholicism was because I heard my Catholics friends talking about how it's the One True Church. This was intriguing to me, because I had always assumed all Christian churches are the same. After researching the Catholic faith, and seeing how it lined up with the early Church Fathers, I realized that they were absolutely, 100% correct. Never be afraid to proclaim the Truth, it may inspire someone else who is "Christian and that's it" to seriously re-evaluate their faith. Now I love theology, I love Christ, and I have gone from struggling to pray to praying my rosary AND novenas daily. Thank you so much for these awesome videos Brian, I really like your channel and hearing a polite, educated and well-spoken Catholic speak on these important issues.
Which Protestant church did you go to before that? Just curious. Some don't follow God's Word as they should. Some have beliefs that go against the Bible.
I'm so glad I'm Not catholic at all because I would have been in so much trouble if I was catholic and besides all that I Hate Religion especially catholic Religion that I hate the most.
@@caseyoliver165 My mother was Catholic. But, she only took me to church once. And they decided to not force Catholic teachings on me. Glad I didn't have to unlearn all that either. It made it easier for me to believe right doctrine. True Christianity isn't a religion that has man made rules and traditions to follow. It's about having a personal relationship with Jesus as your Lord and Savior, and following the truth of God's Word.
@@julienielsen3746 that's good to hear you do that because that's the right way of believing.
orthodox say they are the true chruch also
The dumb comments cut both ways, but I can't tell you how tired I am of hearing the same misrepresentations and outright lies that certain segments of Protestantism perpetuate about Catholicism.
I'm glad that you mentioned that heresy is always a form of specialization. The Church is catholic (among other reasons) because it treasures the 'entire' deposit of faith.
Rather that throwing barb's, why not start from the reformation that maybe wrong? Luther grounded his theology in sola fide, hating the epistles of James and Hebrews which disagreed with his theology of faith ALONE. Could someone explain to me when and why the term Sola was applied to the several factors that seem complimentary and not mutually exclusive, as necessary for salvation?
Taylor Marshall might not agree with this....?
Taylor Marshall, the last time I checked in, was pushing Protestantism and rumors. Catholic is not just showing up the Latin Mass for the "right" sacraments.
@@atrifle8364 He seems to big into Latin Mass and against the Pope and Vat II.
@@tomgreene1843Taylor doesn’t even acknowledge the Pope - something a Catholic in communion with Rome cannot do…
He never gives Pope Francis the respect of his title and instead uses his last name from before he was a Pope.
Taylor can be good sometimes when he sticks to the truth in scripture etc for lessons but as soon as he starts putting his ‘trad’ spin on things I no longer listen
Looking at your channel I suspect I disagree with you on a lot, but I really like your intro where you call for self reflection and humility. That’s something that Christ called us to do, but often we allow ego to blind us to the truth we ought to be serving
Instead of Crusader you should put Tilly!
Here is a video where young Catholic women what traditional values when dating and in marriage - see CHRISTENDOM RISING 5 they know the Catholic faith.
As a Catholic, I see the opposite in several of the points noted.
All Christian’s are my brothers in Christ.
I'm a Protestant and have been my entire life.
My early years wasn't a choice, that's who my family were and i was raised that way.
As i grew up, in my Teens i questioned my faith, is it a choice that i should contine?
After much deliberation i came to the decision that having a belief in Jesus and God is indeed a choice, one we all must make, and that choice is based on faith.
Faith that Jesus is our saviour, and belief that God does indeed exist.
I believe the Bible has all the teaching we need to become closer with Jesus and with God.
If i want to learn something that will improve my understanding, i believe that Jesus will guide me to that understanding, and God will make it so.
I firmly believe that to speak with God i can do it anytime and anywhere, he is indeed all around us, always looking out for us, and always listening.
I firmly believe that Jesus was sent to guide us in God's teachings.
I've been called a heretic before, but i laughed it off, God knows i believe in him and love him, no person knows better than God does, no-one.
Some of my best friends are Catholic, and i stand by their decision to believe in that faith, if it works for them and brings them closer to Jesus' teachings and God then good for them.
My belief in God doesn't need someone to guide me or tell me what is the proper way, God will do that himself, he resides in all of us, all we have to do is listen.
My faith in God isn't bound by my choice in Religeon, God wants us to love him by whichever way is best for us, as long as we do love God then we are doing the right thing.
Nothing stands between myself, Jesus and God.
Jesus was God's Son and messenger, sent to guide us onto the right path and become closer with him and God.
This may sound alien or heretical to some people, that's fine if they want to believe that, i've no problem with that at all, after all 90% of the World's population believe in some form of Deity.
I believe that God can take many forms to inspire people to have faith in him, whatever form that may be.
Different Religeons and faiths are just different paths to the same destination.
There is only one God, and he loves us all in his many ways.
It's nice to hear a Catholic opinion of the Protestant faith.
God bless.
14:54 When you quote John Henry Newman - is it _Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine (1845)?_
Because, some of what is now popular in quoting from it may directly contradict the position he gave as his own in _Retractation of Anti-Catholic Statements (1845)._
You see, by the time JHN converted, he already had made enemies, and those as well as some enemies of the Catholic Church were more than willing to accuse his conversion for being motivated by some dishonest motive.
He was specifically told to write a book detailing how his decision to convert looked from the perspective of an Anglican who decided "I can no longer be an Anglican, I need to convert" ... I think he even wrote the Essay prior to receiving instruction, which would make Retraction his immediate gain in knowledge by instruction.
And the idea that a tenet of the Church could be only implicitly present in the early Church and explicitly absent, not just from documents, not just from individual cases, but from everywhere, is just not true. I have just defended the _traditionality_ of the Immaculate Conception, via the Greek Church, notably of Ukraine which long had double communion straddling the schism, or via Paris since France got a Queen from Ukraine just before the schism.
I have a doctorate in theology and I have never heard of the term "material heretic." What is that? Somebody who adheres to a heresy without knowing it's a heresy?
Catholic theology is replete with the distinctions of matter and form just as we are body and soul.
No comfort here whatsoever. I am actively opposed to many Catholic doctrines. And I know why. Heresy thus describes me. Thanks!!
Of course you are. You are a Protestant after all. You must do the will of your Master.