Seth clearly doesn’t remember when he killed himself with a fetch land game one, thinks his opponent scooped, wins round two and then goes afk for game three to lose the match.
This is actually, imo, his worst punt. You really can't beat chucking a whole match by not noticing it doesn't say you win the match at the end of game 2.
@@Fyrwulf no way to stifle Phage's ETB ability means Seth would lose the game. The one at 8:35 is indeed a huge punt since Seth had Tocatli and Opponent was tapped out.
@@MTGGoldfish Im a big supporter of your "can jund beat it???" series idea s2 If one of my favorite modern decks is gonna suffer this fate we might as well meme it
Things I learned from this video. 1) read your cards. 2) don't miss an open window (8:37). 3) don't scoop until you are dead. 4) Jund is bad and can't beat standard decks or jank. Edited for Autocorrect.
I'll be honest, I was not expecting that to be the punt. I was expecting the punt to be a lot more obvious. The worst part is your opp probably didn't even realize that snapcaster doesn't work with orb either This is why you shouldn't scoop early!
Yep, I was expecting something worse. While you're playing with Torpor Orb as a combo piece you only really think about what YOU need it for, not what it shuts down of your opponent's cards. I'd at least wait for surgical to be on the stack and have nothing to deal with it before scooping.
Nice that he remembers the menace on the creature. But forgets about the most important combo piece on the deck. Love to see it because it sure is fun! :D
A similar against the odds deck could be with master of cruelties. The "if unblocked, set your opponents life to 1" creature. Then, replace the torpor orb effects with random burn. Would be a somewhat better 2 colour deck with a similar silly gameplan.
Unfortunately, Master of Cruelties doesn't work with Vengeance, because MoC isn't a legendary creature. You'd need a haste enabler like Anger and an equally efficient reanimation spell to Vengeance, which I don't think exists in modern. You could potentially cut this down to Orzhov and play with Evra, Halycon Witness. Play some soul sister effects to get your life higher than your opponents and pay 4, "easy" win.
Oh god this reminds me of the time when I was new to magic and was playing a solemnity deck in modern. My opponent got the devoted druid/vizier of remedies combo. I scooped, then realised my mistake 😅
@@zigzag2370 Lightning Axe, kills eidolon discard phage, 2 mana left reanimate phage, no blockers, no mana up, wins the game, at least that is what i saw
43:46 What a top deck. The magic Gods have smiled upon you and gifted you the W. Well done. 47:20 Lmfao I died when I first seen this. Even had to rewind it myself when I realized that Snapcaster doesn’t activate with Torpor Orb myself.😂😂😁🤣🤣🤣🤣 a part of me died along with this part of the match. Shame scooped was well worth it. I don’t think I’ve ever seen you shame scoop before out of the many years I’ve seen you dominate other decks too.
Cool shades Seth. Edit: Just saw the punt. I honestly laughed so hard with the edit with the zoom in and your reaction. Don’t worry about it. I make mistakes like that all the time in paper because it’s so easy to miss triggers and effects. I’ve lost more than one game I could have won because of those kinds of mistakes.
I hope you don't beat yourself up about it, Seth. No matter how many punts you do, you'll still be better than I'll ever be. Thanks for another great episode, it was a lot of fun. Cheers
We all have those moments. I one time had to break the news to someone that they incorrectly conceded a match at a GP that would have put them to day 2. He described the situation to me as I was playing in the command zone. For some reason he thought that lifelink life gain happened after damage and that he would have lost at 0 life before gaining life from his wurmcoil engine. He would have had lethal on the crack back. The look of utter disappointment and despair on his face still breaks my heart sometimes.
The deck could be turned into a turn 2 kill (turn 1 with perfect 7 + top card) by cutting stinkweeds and 2 keys, and adding 4 spirit guides. T1 land + neonate, T2 land, discard Phage to neonate, exile 2 guides, play torpor orb or honor guard & goryo's vengeance. Highly unlikely (8 out of 9 cards drawn), but technically possible. :)
8:30 Omg Seth nooooo!! Blood Crypt untapped, discard Phage to Lightning Axe into Goryos Vengeance for the win!!! The Punt!!! Either he missed a huge play or I'm missing something here haha
Sorry for the punt Seth, it happens! I didn't even realize you could make Phage unblockable and thought it wasn't even a punt because Snappy could chump block :D Cool against the odds anyway, lovely!
If you ever put "Mercenaries Tribal" in legacy as an option on Against the Odds I would choose that one. It is a pity they are limited to legacy (or Vintage LOL and they could be in Commander, that has probably already been done by Richard) though, if Masques block Mercenaries were in Pioneer or Standard I would probably still pick them for Against the Odds anyway.
Wouldn’t Hushbringer be great in this deck? You could run it with honor guard, or even use it instead of the guard because it flies and gains life, which is sometimes relevant.
Yeah, Hushbringer is fine too, the main question is how many Tocatli Honor Guard/Torpor Orb/Hushbringer style cards we need. I think eight is probably enough, and Tocatli Honor Guard and Torpor Orb are the two hardest ones to kill.
To be fair Seth, that was the ONLY time that Torpor Orb actually stopped an opponent's ETB effect all match so... I think its pretty easy to forget that Orb has actual applications and isn't JUST a combo piece lol
I had no idea Phage was in Modern. I just remember her in Legions. Oh, and btw, she prefers to be called Karona now a days, but her close friends call her Jeska. 😁😘😜
Against the odds: Seth's redemption. Run it back lol. Any thought for some number of through the breach? Ignores grave hate and allows you to randomly pop a phage hit.
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Seth clearly doesn’t remember when he killed himself with a fetch land game one, thinks his opponent scooped, wins round two and then goes afk for game three to lose the match.
JosiahDeFer DeFer When did this happen? I would like to see it.
This is actually, imo, his worst punt. You really can't beat chucking a whole match by not noticing it doesn't say you win the match at the end of game 2.
Jakob Ostheimer Thanks. I’m going to check it out.
@@jakobostheimer4066 12:40 for the full experience
That's what I said in the very first video he mentioned this punt!
The !punt starts at 46:49, if you're here just for it.
thank you! i was looking for it
Thanks
there's another one (that Seth never even sees or mentions) at 8:35, he has the win against monored but plays his third land tapped instead.
@@jrjamesson At 9:30 when he passes the turn he has Phage in the yard and Vengeance mana open.
@@Fyrwulf no way to stifle Phage's ETB ability means Seth would lose the game. The one at 8:35 is indeed a huge punt since Seth had Tocatli and Opponent was tapped out.
Seems like playing modern jund was the real against the odds after all...
Poor Jund. Not being able to beat a Standard deck is one thing. Standard decks are powerful these days, but not being able to beat Phage?!?
I feel so bad for Jund and Richard :(
@@MTGGoldfish Im a big supporter of your "can jund beat it???" series idea s2
If one of my favorite modern decks is gonna suffer this fate we might as well meme it
@@MTGGoldfish Can there be a pauper deck in the can jund beat it series?
@@RyuBateson218 Yes please. Comment for exposure? Here's hopin
That slow zoom was golden.
Things I learned from this video. 1) read your cards. 2) don't miss an open window (8:37). 3) don't scoop until you are dead. 4) Jund is bad and can't beat standard decks or jank.
Edited for Autocorrect.
seth, lookin good in the hunter Thompson shades, right on man
My guess is that they are for reducing eye strain from looking at a screen all day. I where similar shades for that exact reason
Looks like the guy from Big Lebowski...
@@Deussu he wore those shades during a stream and he said he's a massive fan of that movie
I was more so thinking The Dude and Walter if they had done the fusion dance.
I think you mean Walter.
Not sure if I'm missing something, but wasn't there lethal on 8:37? lightning axe the eidolon, goryo's the phage and attack?
Ooofff yes
No cause they could kill Honor Guard in response
@@otisnt5718 they were tapped out
If OP kills honor guard in response to the Vengeance , the Phage ETB trigger goes off and Seth loses.
@@TheSnaare OP was tapped out, they had no mana.
I'll be honest, I was not expecting that to be the punt. I was expecting the punt to be a lot more obvious. The worst part is your opp probably didn't even realize that snapcaster doesn't work with orb either
This is why you shouldn't scoop early!
Yep, I was expecting something worse. While you're playing with Torpor Orb as a combo piece you only really think about what YOU need it for, not what it shuts down of your opponent's cards.
I'd at least wait for surgical to be on the stack and have nothing to deal with it before scooping.
yea he punted worse at the 9 minute mark were he completly missed lethel for no reason
Never ever scoop! Disable the button!
I mean, we went from 100% to win to 0% to win for no reason :)
@@MTGGoldfish you had a card to discard to Key?
8:31, you've got the win right there! They're tapped out! Discard phage to axe, kill the eidolon, goryo's, win!
We all see it, but as Seth pointed out, he is the worst player in history.
I just waiting and waiting for the punt to happen, the suspense is real.
The real punt was the friends we made along the way.
That shame scoop was well deserved. F in chat.
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Hey Seth...
Don't scoop. Just don't do it.
Leave the scoops to the fish.
When you see the point that could have won against burn in game one and think "eh, it wasn't tooooo bad."
Then the Torpror Orb punt was really bad.
Missed lethal against burn AND scooped too early against shadow. It's a SaffronOlive double feature :)
I was looking forward to this punt from Twitter. Was not disappointed.
Nice that he remembers the menace on the creature. But forgets about the most important combo piece on the deck. Love to see it because it sure is fun! :D
What did we learn this week? We learned Seth scoops too fast lol.
Hell no...
That lesson is from some years ago
Seth always scoops too fast
i actually learned that many, many weeks ago lol
@8:35 don't you just win?
Oh Seth, we love you for it all.
And it serves as a fantastic teaching moment for others, so really you’re doing us all a great public service
A similar against the odds deck could be with master of cruelties. The "if unblocked, set your opponents life to 1" creature.
Then, replace the torpor orb effects with random burn. Would be a somewhat better 2 colour deck with a similar silly gameplan.
Unfortunately, Master of Cruelties doesn't work with Vengeance, because MoC isn't a legendary creature. You'd need a haste enabler like Anger and an equally efficient reanimation spell to Vengeance, which I don't think exists in modern.
You could potentially cut this down to Orzhov and play with Evra, Halycon Witness. Play some soul sister effects to get your life higher than your opponents and pay 4, "easy" win.
@@Kaslay Good catch! Yeah, that doesn't work then.
Oh god this reminds me of the time when I was new to magic and was playing a solemnity deck in modern. My opponent got the devoted druid/vizier of remedies combo. I scooped, then realised my mistake 😅
This isn't such a bad punt. The pithing needle was WAAAAY worse. I honestly thought u were gonna reanimate phage without a torpor effect :P
Griselbrand would be a good fit. Love Phage one of my nostalgia cards playing with my brother
Nice to see phage winning so many games. Admittedly its winning them for your opponent but still...
8:35, what am i missing? Can't he just win right there?
Eidolon bloccs
zig zag he had a lightning axe; eidolon didn’t matter. The real problem was that honor guard dies to literally any burn spell, and that’s an auto lose
@@zigzag2370 Lightning Axe, kills eidolon discard phage, 2 mana left reanimate phage, no blockers, no mana up, wins the game, at least that is what i saw
@@justin1534467 He could just pay 2 life for the crypt and have the mana to do on turn 3, before opponent's untap
@@NovaStationOficial yeah rewatched and saw that
Three torpor orbs two discarded instead of playing them and discard the Kenrith
Seth lookin fresh with those shades
Those glasses! the power of truck driver intensifies!
43:46 What a top deck. The magic Gods have smiled upon you and gifted you the W. Well done.
47:20 Lmfao I died when I first seen this. Even had to rewind it myself when I realized that Snapcaster doesn’t activate with Torpor Orb myself.😂😂😁🤣🤣🤣🤣 a part of me died along with this part of the match. Shame scooped was well worth it. I don’t think I’ve ever seen you shame scoop before out of the many years I’ve seen you dominate other decks too.
I don't ever shame scoop. I think this was the first :)
We need a punt compilation
Cool shades Seth.
Edit: Just saw the punt. I honestly laughed so hard with the edit with the zoom in and your reaction. Don’t worry about it. I make mistakes like that all the time in paper because it’s so easy to miss triggers and effects. I’ve lost more than one game I could have won because of those kinds of mistakes.
Matthew Worden for real. Those are legit
Somewhere around 14:30 Seth gives us a great tonguetwister: Draw step stop set
Cue the curb your enthusiasm theme as the camera zooms in on the torpor orb.
I did have Song of Silence there, but UA-cam's copyright system didn't like it so I had to take it out.
Hands down favorite part of this video is the cut to seth's face after the punt. The sheer horror in his expression is priceless.
I really enjoyed that slow zoom. Great video.
Wow! That was so funny! Great editing Seth!
We all punt sometimes. This cracked me up though! Great video Seth!
That slow zoom in on the torpor orb was great lol
I hope you don't beat yourself up about it, Seth. No matter how many punts you do, you'll still be better than I'll ever be. Thanks for another great episode, it was a lot of fun. Cheers
Why not ramp or cast for free from your hand effects? Also is there any way to have it ping your opponent and win?
Worst punt ever? I don't think so. I still remember that time Seth cracked a fetch at 1 life and left thinking he won :D
I love the detail of Phage holding the whip of erebos in the thumbnail
Wait, 46:51 - the grand punt - can't snapcaster still block phage, and you lose the next turn? Am I missing something?
Key to the city makes it unblockable.
@@winssports4830 Ah, of course, thanks.
"Not a shock" had me in stitches rofl
We all have those moments. I one time had to break the news to someone that they incorrectly conceded a match at a GP that would have put them to day 2. He described the situation to me as I was playing in the command zone. For some reason he thought that lifelink life gain happened after damage and that he would have lost at 0 life before gaining life from his wurmcoil engine. He would have had lethal on the crack back. The look of utter disappointment and despair on his face still breaks my heart sometimes.
Ya really do hate to see it :(
Seth that was quite the episode. Much love never change please haha
btw I didn’t thought that the “can Jund beat it...” series was starting today
The deck could be turned into a turn 2 kill (turn 1 with perfect 7 + top card) by cutting stinkweeds and 2 keys, and adding 4 spirit guides. T1 land + neonate, T2 land, discard Phage to neonate, exile 2 guides, play torpor orb or honor guard & goryo's vengeance. Highly unlikely (8 out of 9 cards drawn), but technically possible. :)
Match three was one of my favorite games of magic I have ever seen
8:30 Omg Seth nooooo!! Blood Crypt untapped, discard Phage to Lightning Axe into Goryos Vengeance for the win!!! The Punt!!!
Either he missed a huge play or I'm missing something here haha
I guess there were two big punts in this one :)
The glasses look good Seth!! Also, it's a heck of a statement to say your biggest punt ever, so you got me hooked!
Sorry for the punt Seth, it happens! I didn't even realize you could make Phage unblockable and thought it wasn't even a punt because Snappy could chump block :D
Cool against the odds anyway, lovely!
I feel personally called out by Seth’s comment about blood moon
What about Hushbringer? Just too standard like?
If you ever put "Mercenaries Tribal" in legacy as an option on Against the Odds I would choose that one.
It is a pity they are limited to legacy (or Vintage LOL and they could be in Commander, that has probably already been done by Richard) though, if Masques block Mercenaries were in Pioneer or Standard I would probably still pick them for Against the Odds anyway.
This MC Hammer glasses are a major flavor win.
I'm currious, can jund beat walls of glory?
thats was awesome!!!! love the shades!
Is Jund gunna be on the next against the odds poll?
We're almost to that point.
Match 1 game 2 on your turn 3 couldn't you have just lightning axe discard phage targeting eidelon then goryos vengeance phage win?
Wouldn’t Hushbringer be great in this deck? You could run it with honor guard, or even use it instead of the guard because it flies and gains life, which is sometimes relevant.
Yeah, Hushbringer is fine too, the main question is how many Tocatli Honor Guard/Torpor Orb/Hushbringer style cards we need. I think eight is probably enough, and Tocatli Honor Guard and Torpor Orb are the two hardest ones to kill.
Why not footsteps of the goryo instead of whip of erebos?
You are the best, Seth. Never change!
Guess we'll see "Against Odds: Modern Jund" very soon
Jund is getting to that point honestly.
Wouldn't silence be good for this deck?
Literally stopped watching grixis mutate for this punt because you mentioned it in the stream
That rug really tied the room together dude.
26:08 Junderdome when? Can Jund beat a *post-banning* standard deck?
Im very curious to know what deck can't beat jund at this point
Next up: Can modern jund Beat a planeswalker deck?
To be fair Seth, that was the ONLY time that Torpor Orb actually stopped an opponent's ETB effect all match so... I think its pretty easy to forget that Orb has actual applications and isn't JUST a combo piece lol
Yeah, it was more unfortunate timing for the punt.
Going for the Hunter S. Thompson look in this video. I'm a fan.
That megapunt was a big oof, but not nearly as big an oof as Jund getting stomped by Phage XD
Can we get that audio bit as a ringtone?
Isnt Hushbringer better than Honor Guard
I had no idea Phage was in Modern. I just remember her in Legions.
Oh, and btw, she prefers to be called Karona now a days, but her close friends call her Jeska. 😁😘😜
Yeah! She was reprinted in 10th Edition to make her legal in Modern.
Seth when making an against the odds sideboard: "Lets see.. We need Bloodmoon. What else?"
It's always the first card I add :)
Ooooohhhhhh boys and girls I've been waiting for this. Haven't started the vid yet but I already know its gonna be hilarious.
It's entropy. It happens very rarely and the fact it happens is more reassuring than anything.
Hey dude. Do you have Discord? I’ve been tinkering with this deck and want to see what you think!
Is it only me? Where did you bought those glasses? Love the look!
I found them in my car. I have no idea who left them there.
should run some inquisitions to see what they are have in hand to see if coast is clear
I'm very surprised seth didn't try to Tron. With chromatic orery (the one that makes Mana able to be any Mana)
But then Seth might like tron, and that can't happen!
Against the odds: Seth's redemption. Run it back lol. Any thought for some number of through the breach? Ignores grave hate and allows you to randomly pop a phage hit.
Awesome Walter Sobchak cosplay, dude.
9:06 correct, it's rift bolt :)
Am i looking at walter from big lebowski?
That's over the line ;)
why didn't you return kenrith instead of phage if you were not sure that you thorpor will stay?
Oh SPBKASO, never change please.
I tried making a grixis phage deck when Tale’s End came out in Core2020 but this seems like a much better deck
Can't believe Phage hasn't had an Against the Odds before, what a beautiful mess!
Edit: What a beautiful punt as well! Loved it!
Lmao that punt was a work of art 😂
I think this deck could use a Through the Breach as a backup plan, since you can't at faithless looting
Probably better known as "The Dude"
Where's the money Lebowski?!
Seth probably hates The Eagles.
Hahahahahahahaha its what your whole deck is built on! Great to watch either way. Hahaha
"The Good, the Bad, and the Hilarious" sounds like a nice title for a comedy show.
That punt was epic. I died laughing
Who does the ungodly cute art for your thumbnails? I love them.
That slow zoom on Torpor Orb
That punt was AMAZING
You should play angel's grace over torpor orb i think
That punt is on par with the giants punt against the eagles back in 2010