What ancient civilizations teach us about reality | Greg Anderson | TEDxOhioStateUniversity
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- Опубліковано 10 тра 2020
- The talk proposes that humans have always lived in a “pluriverse” of many different real worlds, not just in a universe of one. It also considers how this proposal might change the way we think about the human past, present, and the future. Greg loves to share his fascination with the many different worlds that humans have inhabited. This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at www.ted.com/tedx
My Tribe in Central American rainforest constantly works with historians and scientist to try and trade ideas with the modern world.. to see how we might heal together, But we are constantly under attack and murdered, for our forest and our land, and our old culture. Let us continue to work towards a brighter future , for the modern world and the Indigenous ancient peoples of the world. -Tawira cabu wihna kiamka
You may need to recruit, ask for warriors and builders from the earth all over to join you and fight with you. If you insist on fighting alone against the money.. I fear for you.
@@botgod6264 I agree, the enemy is powerful and deceptive. It can take us easily 1 by 1, but we are more. United we can win.
The Bible and Darwin can be a toxic combination. God gave me the right to exploit nature (only humans are important to God) and Darwin gave me the right to kick down ( survival of the winner). Given this power, I dont want to change.
Ellen Gran One can subvert ANYTHING one wants to, to justify oneself, isn’t that true?
@يوسف الوزان no but somehow they justify it. Sometimes even do it for their god which litteraly tells them not to hurt or kill others. No logic.
Just finished taking his Classical Greek history course. He’s easily one of the best teachers I’ve had at Ohio State. Congrats on a great talk Dr. Anderson!
That's pretty cool, taking a class by this man, he seems passionate and to know what he is talking about.
hi! is this an online open course?
nell wtd It was in person when I took it, but with the restrictions it could very well be online. He teaches it every other semester so I’m not sure if you’d be able to take it. This semester he’s supposed to be teaching pre-classical Greek history
TedTalks during quarantines hit different
Cyborg
The date shown is the publish date, it was actually filmed on February 22. The Twitter feed I found did not give the year but just guessing it was this one. Right before the shite hit the fan if you will.
To My Evoloving Wisdom, it is a nice utopian sort of thought but you and I had no say in what "real" world we would live in. The only "real" thought or idea I sort of got from his speech is that we should relish our imaginary mind just as much as our intellectual one. Science has been good for humanity from the standpoint of humans living longer and very comfortably for the most part. As far as addressing what is "real" for the past civilizations is questionable on a lot of fronts. But what is "real" is that these great civilizations have come and gone and so shall ours. As far as nature, we may as individuals can and should stay closely connected to it, it's very healthy in more ways than one.
All the best to you both of course, have a great Sunday.
All you have to do is go live for a couple of years in a country where you don’t speak the language. And, as my favorite history prof used to remind us, “The past is another country.” We are each a product of this moment, this place, this culture.
@@JustSpectre and, how much of one's interpretation of past civilizations is colored by their own prejudices and culture, no matter how objective and fact based they think they are being?
@@JustSpectre Interesting, thank you, I will check out Pearce and Lewis-Williams. Unless we are constantly questioning our own assumptions/opinions and seeking alternate views, it is very easy to get caught up in our own boxes of beliefs and emotions. I think it applies to everything in our lives (diet, politics, beliefs, etc)
@@debramoll7 But haven't we, all humans from now and from the past, a common denominator????
ISIS, was another reality. Once inside these mindsets it is almost impossible to escape, because you mistrust your own thoughts as apostasy to the faith. To me it seems arrogant and foolish to think you can really throw on the “thinking cap” of a different culture so flippantly. We should be very very careful when considering what to throw away / adopt.
I had the pleasure of having Dr. Anderson as a professor several times in undergrad at Ohio State and watching this puts me right back in the classroom. This man has a brilliant mind and an intellect I respect so much. These kinds of thoughts and questions were normal in his classes and I love seeing it on a grander scale!
He’s not Dr. but Mr. Anderson 😎.
He had me going for the first 10 minutes and then he began to list all the defects of modern science-based reality as if the ancient models did not have all the same. The only difference I can see is the scale which is planet wide now but restricted then by how far people were willing to walk.
A very profound speech. In conclusion, none of our so called real worlds is the real world. The real world is ever changing depending on our psychology and understanding of the world.
Solomon Kamara is this really a concept that no one hasn’t heard before?
@@januarysson5633 no, cuz it's a phenomenal observed by a lot of people. However, it's still cool hearing how he put it together.
Right On.
Indeed, and all the more amazing to compare the ancient world of mutual 'interdependencies' to today's _enlightened_ "I'm a Libertarian, totally free and independent of responsibility to anyone or anything but myself!"
@Solomon Kamara : I disagree. I think it's a cop-out for people who don't want to face reality. The speaker never once gave us a single reason that we should believe in gods and such, other than: they didn't do as much damage to the planet as we are now. But they didn't have the same tools we do now, if they had, they would have done no better, perhaps much worse. Reality is not up for grabs to the highest bidder, I cannot and will not subscribe to that mentality.
I'm not even saying that spirituality doesn't benefit people, I personally know that it does sometimes. The problem is with such belief systems of the non verifiable type, it's left wide open for corruption. And we all know how corruption seeps in even without opening the doors up wide and actually inviting it in with open arms, lols.
Our ancestors are not Simple by any stretch of the imagination. We are not as smart as we believe we are.
Joe Whitt exactly right.
Uh, Mandela Effect here, there and here.
Simple? No, but they were misguided. It is a waste of time, talent, energy and resources to worship, erect temples to and plan your affairs around non-existent beings.
much much smarter than our ancestors.
@@pietersteenkamp5241 - Not true. Having advanced tech doesn't make you more intelligent. If it were possible to round up 100 six-year-olds from Ancient Greece and bring them to our era, don't you believe they could be taught anything our current six-year-olds could be taught?
He’s like that one teacher who’s actually interesting
Merry me😏, seriously I can't stop agreeing with you!
God Bless You, William
I actually just finished taking his Classical Greece course and he’s easily one of the best teachers I’ve had at OSU.
James damn you’re lucky
Let’s get this guy on Joe Rogan podcast!!!!!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
B. O. B. B Brilliant idea!
🙏🏾🙏🏾
"Jamie, lookup Greg Anderson"
Disagree. This guy is masquerading a simple topic (which he's been commissioned to discuss by TED - a political tool) behind new-age lingo, making it look trendy. Plurality is nothing extraordinary. Rogan discusses how seemingly fringe thinking or ideas can be beneficial to existing mainstream thought. This guy, on the other hand, just uses complex "fringy" language to propose a very simple idea that only a 1st year college student doesn't know about. He and Rogan are on different planets.
Yes indeed
'Reality can be whatever I want.'
~Thanos
There must be order
- No thing
In which case "Reality be real. You know you want to."
Bill gates! 😂
“Upset the stablished order, and everything becomes chaos” - joker
I don’t know, I had to throw something in there
Has little to do with the video
Rebel
Right time to throw a video like this! Incredible
Kapish Dutta agreeed. There is no evidence we’re much different cognitively than our ancestors. And people think that just because they live in this era with all this technology(most of whom didn’t create anything in their lives) are so posh and ungrateful for it.
@@brendanmcpike184 True that! It's time to get back to our roots! Plenty of books are available. This is the right and easiest time in the history to get enlightened.
Indeed
not a single trump supporter would understand a single word stated in this video.
Luigi Dopobici I mean, I’m not really a Trump supporter but I do lean towards being a conservative just by temperament. But you have to think to be careful with that line of logic because that’s almost half the population. No offense but I would suggest to not go to those conclusions.
Best ted talks I’ve heard in a long time. Very relevant for this time.
Ascension Mojo What did he say that hasn’t been said before?
@@januarysson5633 What are you trying to convey?
DailyToker Hmm...That there’s nothing new under the sun.
@@januarysson5633 That's a very flat perspective.
@@januarysson5633 Everybody hasn't got to explore everything under the sun yet
A change in the way of our thinking starts with people like him. It’ll take many more people like him and time for us to shift.
If we have time? .. You might like Jiddu Krishnamurti talks. He was something else, so many years ago..
This man is an EXCELLENT speaker. Really enjoyable way of telling his story!
Amen.
I only wish he had interesting or even useful things to say.
@@pietersteenkamp5241 Ahaaa interesting things eh? So what would you say then if you were up there on that stage?
@@Onkruid Oh i would talk about it took us thousands of years to start separating facts from fiction and how far left we have to go; i would not glorify the conditions in ancient societies or start to suggest that they had either a more useful or a more accurate insight into reality. This man makes David Icke look like a deep thinker.
I don't feel like he was glorifying the conditions back then though. He just tells us that we should look upon our current view of reality with less excessive pride. We shouldn't think that our reality is automatically better than that of the ancient times. That does not imply that their reality was better, it just implies that we need to give some more thought to the fact that the way we see the world is not the only way of seeing the world and in my opinion that is a VERY interesting topic to talk about.
Either way I respect your opinion of course! Not everyone finds the same things interesting and that's perfectly fine :). I would love to hear you talk about those things so it would be awesome if you would record yourself and upload it! I mean this sincerely and with no bad intentions, I do not want to make fun of you I'm just interested in what you have to say about those subjects just as much as I was interested to see what Mr Anderson had to say about his subjects. Have a nice day either way sir!
Thank you, Dr Anderson, for this. I think you understand how those of us who grew up in non-western, "pre-modern" societies feel in the face of the arrogance of western ontology.
This speaker is a GENIUS in his field! The way he delivered every word was in itself like an ocean flowing with wisdom and deep-rooted societal history. All in all, it was an amazing talk! For sure, I did came to know that everything holds in the eyes of the beholder - what I see might be different from what you see. A holographic world in a cupid bowl.
Deep as a puddle, wide as a matchstick.
"...a GENIUS in his field!" Really? To be a genius means to be a luminary in multiple fields. Language is a tool like a scalpel, precise and deep cutting. But to many people use it like a hammer. Please employ your Thesaurus more often. Your conversations will become so much more delightful.
@@guywithdacap4713 Wow! I really admire the way you've pointed out my mistake. It seriously makes sense. Thanks for an honest feedback! I'll try my best to improve it! 😊😊
@@pietersteenkamp5241 Haha.... Sarcasm and metaphors are my thing! You didn't got the right to steal it 😂😂
Wow! Best explaination I've ever come across on youtube for all the problems we are facing in today's world, from pandemic to global warming to economic meltdown etc. Let's hope world leaders will realize this before it's too late for all of us...
Unfortunately they won't
I am from Peru
The historian Greg Anderson is quite right
Greg, great talk. Absolutely outstanding! You tackled such a complex topic with such grace and compassion.
I am proud of ancient Hinduism being alive and well today in India. Preserving the culture of our ancient ancestors is key to understanding who we are and where we come from.
Your third point put many of my feelings towards history into words. I believe history also shows us that we have the ability to change our world(s). It's a powerful thing to recognize.
Individualism vs comm(unity)....takes on so much more importance in the midst of this pandemic.
This has got to be the most underrated ted talk ever. Unbelievably good
The thought of working together strikes a tone especially in this day and age. Great things and horrendous things can be created by people coming together but the common goal is the driving force. If I think about living a life that reflects the world I would like to see, I see a very different day to day life. Thank You Tedx and Greg Anderson for the great thought
We are working together in a lot more complex ways and in a higher amount than any other time in history. Why would you think otherwise? That's insane.
The way he talks about the gods in Athens reminds me of the book "American Gods" by Neil Gaimen.
Just be humble. Then you will see the beauty of other different realities.
Watching this amazingt talk, as the world battles an unseen enemy, both challeneged and empowered me. I've lived among traditional peoples and know how much we have to learn from them. The Cofan in Ecuador have always lived in harmony with the earth, water, and sky. I honor them and their lessons--and hope that we can pay attention to their wisdom. Thank you so much.
Such an important talk, very thought-provoking. Sometimes we find ourselves reading or listening to something and we know in our heart of hearts that this is something we needed to hear and think about. For me, this is one example. Having listened to it I find myself left with a lot of thoughts I did not have before that I want to stay with. It is tough to make sense of, and meaningfully compare, past thinking and beliefs, especially those of ancient times, with those of today. But this talk does just that, brilliantly, effortlessly. Inspiring and profoundly important, something I believe everyone could benefit from listening to, thank you Greg.
Loved this talk. Thaanks for opening my mind to different perceptions of reality.
same here i totally agree
"Reality is not just a material given to us by nature"
i know, what a great quote! i believe he said: "reality is not just a material order given to us by nature."
What a brilliant, wise and eloquent man. A great thinker and a great teacher. My hope is that he takes to many more stages and is handed many more microphones. Our "civilization" needs to hear the truth he articulates so beautifully. I think i want to quit my job and become a roadie for him.
Best TED Talk ever.
So.... I literally was sitting here reading the Bible, for the first time in 15 years.... and I get a notification of this video. Interesting.
Always watching bro
Is this video gonna just be about nihilism and against faith? Save me some time and propaganda and let me know before I watch...
wildebt no it’s not at all. Actually it’s a great video that give a great realization of perspective
Dam it google, even the Bible!?
"coincidence is gods way of acting on the earth"- Einstein
I swear this knowledge is floating around us rn.
Was thinking the same, it appears everywhere in different forms.
The internet as we know it is a crude imitation.
Because you're kids. TED is politics. The whole reason you're thinking it's "floating around" is because he gave you what you already thought, and coated it in a "new age" language of globalism and togetherness, while simulteneously turning your weapons against the perceived 'bad' perspectives you've been taught... presumably in favour of 'good' ones - which he neither explains nor justifies. In the end, he fails to make a case for a proposition he just outlined... or even to answer the question of why the "objective reality" of, for example, his wife not dying during child birth (thank you, medicine), is worse than the "mystical reality" whose existence he *reminded* people about for 15 minutes. There's nothing here at all. Unless you're 16 years old.
@@dannypqliar8763 I believe that every truth is also a false. I also don't believe it to fit in. I'm 19 so that makes me better than a 16 year old.
@@dannypqliar8763 actually no, I've come across material from different authors that point to the very same ideas pointed out in the video since several weeks before watching this.
Thank you UA-cam algorithm to actually recommend something nice for once.
I was about to cut it short, but he started making sense after 12:00. And I’m glad I watched it till the end. Amazing speech 👏🏼
He is amazing , just imagine .
Our very selves has been thusly modelled .and mostly not even by our hand.
So then,our minds are the green pastures that brings Forth this notion of who do we think we are.
This misguided notion of separation , we do it to ourselves ,but we don’t have to .
If we fill our minds with love then love flourishes ,if we offer gratitude then we acknowledge The gift received.
If we fill our heads with compassion ,then we become compassionate .
We truly are the genie in the bottle ,
All we got to do now is rub
Nice
I find most interesting to think with this ideas about the future. What will it do to our society if we get a interplanetary species?
How fast and how much will our view about reality change in those completely different environments?
Photelegy I will still believe in God and Jesus. He said he had many mansions.
I try to tell people this all the time. This guy says it so succinctly. I might have to steal some of his turns of phrases. I like him. I like him a lot.
Our psychology is effectively an essential. Thank you very much for this video shared.
The son of agent Smith and the book keeping lady at every high school ever, just gave me one of the best ted talks ever.
Fr😂
Yes, this is reminding me of the book Sapiens, which goes over the changing ideas of reality.
Such an important message. Hopefully it will find enough ears willing to listen and act upon it...
I've tried to explain the illusion of self and how our whole thing we got going here on so many levels constantly reinforces, the, I that is not me. no luck ever just couldn't get the words to click and this man laid it out beautifully and also in a format that will be easier for a specific group of people to avoid biases and write off listening before hearing.
Thanks guy.
Yes, we are conditioned from birth to believe in the "I", so it will take a very enlightened person to wake up others
You can romanticize and try to explain it any way you want but at the end of the day ancient reality was exactly the same as ours is today. Nothing has changed. The universal truths existed then the exact same way as they exist today. The only difference is we have far more collective knowledge today and understand more of those universal truths.
Name one universal truth
@@JohnSmith-wx4ts Gravity exists on this planet and its effects are the same for everyone and everything.
@Richard Vowler Gravity has been proven. It's the Law of Gravitational Attraction. The theory explains why and how it occurs. That explanation (ie theory) my change over time but it doesn't negate the fact that it occurs.
even though i belive in the multiverse this guy is completly blowing my mind nd putting it back together superfast over and over. he is a genuis!
Agreed my unknown friend. Join us as we do our little bit using our music and messages to shine some light in these challenging ,twisted and upside down times. TOGETHER WE ARE STRONGER.
Amazing Video.. Loved it.. And I can listen to him and His Thoughts all day.. Thankyou so much for this Video ❤
By almost every scientific measure of well being NOW is the best of all times to have ever lived. Certainly, some people in the world suffer today. But on average, today we are better educated, healthier, wealthier, and safer. No other time in history compares to today's worldwide standards. For the most part today's "reality" has served humanity best. Interesting talk.
This video motivates me a lot! I'm going to translate it to my language
Great talk, highly discerning and astute speaker. Over time humans have developed colossal egos - therefore our arrogance. We need to go back to basics if our race is to continue to exist.
Why whould we exist if the price is payed in trees and animals? Humans are the sickness of this planet indeed.
I like what Greg Anderson has presented to us as a new way of thinking. It was a lot for me to take in and I am still trying to digest his words and summarize: Calling upon ancient realities of past civilizations that have worked for maybe thousands of years as examples to help our modern society in creating a survivable, sustainable future that works and doesn't destroy our planet and the creatures who live upon it.
This is such an insightful suggestion, thank you Greg!
This is a purely social constructionist argument. "There is no Truth/Reality except what people say there is".
I understand that, and I'm no fan of the constructionist view, but I think its also true that there's no scientific reason why the individual-centric conception we have is objectively RIGHT. We could just as easily be family-oriented or nautre-oriented. It's like human rights, or money. They don't exist in any objective sense, they're just useful fictions that facilitate prosperous societies.
@@jakesoulvie4397 I don't see a reason why higher apes with 5 senses, speech and writing should be able to articulate the Absolute Truth of the Universe under any circumstances. We don't really understand what happened until after it happens. Sure we could change our "societal aim" but how would that happen if not for a collection of individuals?
@@QubitVector Well I'd agree, humans have no way of knowing a number of things. There are certain (maybe metaphysical) questions that may never be answered. And I'm not advocating we change our culture to be less individualistic. It's probably very useful that that idea underlies our society. I'm just saying that idea isn't true in any objective sense, just useful.
@@QubitVector Oh we know plenty absolute truths about the universe, like 2+2=4. Predictions? We can predict things to some degree, we predict rain. Magic? No, science.
It was more like "There is no Truth/Reality except what every culture besides the Western Civilization said there is."
Awesome video. It is so easy to assume science has it all figured out. I could better appreciate that my culture is conditioning me to be an individual, when really this is one of many possible constructs I could have it be. Amazing.
Right On 300% and then some.
Can't speak for all scientists, but I think the scientists I know that do research, do not assume that science has figured it all out. That's why they are scientists in the first place, to do research on topics we haven't figured out. Depending on the field of science, the knowledge body can shift rather dynamically and fast. It often seems to me that people, especially those who have less actual exposure to the scientific world, have an aversion because there seems to be a perception that science is cold, arrogant and somehow intolerant to 'intuitive' forms of knowledge. This can be the case or the attitude individuals may take, but that doesn't have to be the ethos of science at all. Perhaps the methods are rigid, tedious and alienating to people - you can either test it or you can't - which signals to a lot of people that their beliefs are invalidated. Natural reaction to that is often defensiveness. But underlying the methodology lies great creativity and hard work - personally I value that. At least that's why I love all sciences.
Yeah, it's good to keep an open mind.
My channel is basically about how people in the past may have experienced reality in a completely different way from us. This lecture was like candy for me.
This will become psytrance samples🤣
JustSpectre Alan Watts samples be hittin too
LMAO how did y--
And Carl Jung. Don’t forget about him, either. Lol
Thanks for the idea!! I'm going to get sampling this right now!
@@JustSpectre I'm making those tracks now.
Very very true and powerful message. Even for science the only way forward is becoming experiential part of the bigger whole, to discover what science can't see. Indeed the 300 years of madness and arrogance must be shifted if we want to have a future at all.
... Professor Greg...best lecture I've listened to in quite a while...Aloha nui loa...
Thank you for your very enlightening talk. I am going to think about it for a long time.
Borderless mind is a beauty!
When mind splits from reality, mind vanishes.
@Treno di Vapore Look out at concrete reality, not inward. Focus your mind. Or retreat into imagination and symbols and emotions.
Not only the Athenians...most of the countries in the world.
10/11 years ago I "woke up", my senses were opened so that I remembered who I am, who we are. Surrounded by guides, spirits, gods. The spirits of the wind and trees and the sea etc, communicated with me. I can understand the language of the birds, animals...numbers. And so much more.
Its faded again to some extent but its was an incredible adventure, which continues to this day.
This talk gave a completely new outlook towards the world I perceive. I believe in mystical powers but never thought of this dimension. Thanks for bringing it here
Reality is constructed , meanings are created & weaved by humans.. whatever stands your mind.. is real..
Gravity is real whether you believe in it or not. The sun will burn you whether you believe or not. Jumping off a cliff will kill you whether you believe or not. The idea that everything is 'constructed' is wishy washy nonsense.
Most preachings go direct to the Choir. Nevertheless, we listen. Often attentively. Often appreciatively. Part of our "pluriverse." 💫🙉
Thank you for this concise and pointed reality check.
A civilization where people are civil to eachother..live to serve one another as a whole!....what a beautiful concept.
„Who else be a fan of TEDx Talks before 2020😍”
(I hope you are doing well!)
@@jahmar196 😨😨
I was pre knowing its ideological agenda. Its really left wing atheist propaganda .
Very early does it question mainstream or it gets censored
@@dadsonworldwide3238 😐😐
They seem to support marxist ideologies... Im not a fan of that by any means
The principles he discussed don't lead toward his argument against the way we view reality today. I don't think we've only evolved positively throughout all history, but modern principles extend their usefulness beyond the bounds of the modern world that created them.
Some social contracts within the family might be useful in the west, but not the destruction of the idea of the individual..
Commenters are getting oddly defensive about his comparison of Athenian societal reality to our own and missing the point entirely. He's not saying Athenians were better than us, just explaining how their perception of reality was so different yet managed to uphold a productive society that was more in tune with the world around them. It's interesting to think humans created (and some continue to experience) a colony-type reality, much like bees or ants, via mythology and religion.
Thank you 💗🙏 a very profound truth. As a matter of fact, every single person lives in their own reality too.
Mr. Anderson forgets to remember the horrors of the ancient worlds, like famine, deceases, human slavery, misogynist states, wars (there were plenty of them), plagues, poverty, etc. and the wonders of the new world like longer life expectancy, lower birth death rates, global wealth, better democratic law system, fast travels or telecommunications, like the one we are using to watch this talk. I bet that a girl of the ancient world would prefer to live now when she can get education, birth control, not to be sold in marriage, not to be punched by her husband and have an independent life as a person. Even a poor person in this era is more richer than the average person in ancient times. We also should be grateful with what we have now.
Diseases
Also, there are many places on earth where women are still experiencing the atrocities you describe as from the past. Right now. Sadly.
@victoria zabaras I'm sure that's what the global norm was. Yes.
I hope the organizers meant to call him a "radical historian" the way that the ninja turtles use the word
Finally some sense dawning on us through seers like Anderson.
so relevant. so important. thank you!
as much one can actually learn from history, the idea of gods actually existing in how he explains it is the definition of magical thinking.
@13thmistrail I think you misunderstand what Greg Anderson is saying which is that for those ancient people's the gods were in fact very real. So it is not from OUR perspective that we think the gods but that they were real to those ancient people.
if you assume that those gods were highly evolved flesh and blood individuals, and that some imaginative storytelling was involved in the making of those myths but were based on actual events, everything makes sense ...
@@michaeldeierhoi4096 he repeatedly and clearly asserts that their view of reality was as valid as our own, like science never happened. As well as numerous other ridiculous assertions, eg. somehow the ills of the world means that our model of reality is wrong. WTF? Our model and what we do with it are two separate things! Absolutely magical thinking. I hope TED does not go the same way as the "History" Channel.
@@chrisgrill6302 What do you mean by "lie science"? For my part it is the human tendency toward individuality especially here in the US that has led in part to our decline. Our society is increasing obsessed with individual superficial and material connections and away from supporting community. This has led to the extreme disparity in wealth has led to an increasing number of people living on edge trying to survive yet working full time or more. And many millions who work often still need assistance in one form or another.
This all speaks to the failure of capitalism. America is rapidly becoming a second rate nation as it loses touch with the values of community and unified commitment to making the world a better place. That community and unified commitment was present in ancient societies. So yes there is much that ancient societies can teach us if we would stop and listen. Have a good day.
@@mikesoussan This is not about assuming that the gods of the ancient world walking about the people in flesh and blood. I don't read it that way. But the gods were very real to the ancient people. The different gods were their way of explaining much about the world that confused them.
To look at a different way some people did appear to display special powers through the use of hallucinogenics and such and those people could have been perceived as godlike or at least able to communicate with the gods as they saw them..
There is an objective reality. Its interpretation is that which needs to be reconstructed.
No, there isn't an objective reality. Have another listen and give your full attention this time :)
@@RichardHarlos. I don't need to give it another listen to understand what the gentleman was saying. Nor do I have to agree with what he was saying if I do understand. I hope this makes sense. My issue may be more about semantics than anything. I understand that every individual, society, and time subjects reality to its interpretation. However I believe that an objective reality still exists. That is to say that true reality precedes the reality set on by situational awareness. And that is understood by calling it objective. I think an experience of true Consciousness and Awareness provides a glimpse into that reality. Of course any reflection is still subject to attitudes. We call that a subjective reality.
@@thediddler , I agree your objection seems semantic, mostly a consequence of the limited time allotted for a TED talk. In his 2018 book, Professor Anderson elaborates deeper what he could only mention briefly here.
Thanks for your reply.
@@RichardHarlos thank you Tin-kin
@@thediddler Excellent response to an initially condescending comment. Lovely to see that differing opinions don't need to descend into a shouting match of insults. Bravo.
Great job! Thank you.
I have learned a lot from this channel
If u play with nature , remember it's turn is yet to come...
You always play with nature. Its all around you
@@AM-fh7ek LOL. 🤣🤣 ....u took very Seriously ...
It is Corona Virus.?
@@need2know739 corona virus is a scam
@@AM-fh7ek , Yip unfortunately has the same effects on societies regardless just the same.😠
Personal takeaways:
*There is one altimate reality out there, our reality
*Real things for us are material things.Invisible things are considered unreal.
*Our real world is just one of countless real worlds the humans have had.
I suppose wifi signals nor TV signals nor are radio tower signals really really nor are they traceable not really real that logic. Sorry. To burst your bubble, just telling you like it is. They sure as heck aren't ghosts nor demons. 👻👹🙈🙉🙊👿😲😜🤔 Are Artificial Intelligences real? They are visible. Either with a chat screen like Siri, or a 3F graphic body like Paphus Solution Inc's My Virtual Girlfriend Cindy.
@@angelinarobert622 - Wi-Fi, television and radio signals can be detected and traced using the proper instruments. They can be proven to exist. Gods, ghosts, demons and water nymphs cannot. If you suggest that something, whatever that may be, exists, yet there is no way to detect its existence, it is the same as saying it does not exist.
*ultimate reality
My girlfriend got a gift some months ago which seems to come from magic esoteric books:
The third eye. It's amazing and defies everything I thought was possible to experience. It's a spiritual eye located in the middle of the eyebrows. She can see perfectly in the dark. She sees through the wall and actually through anything she tried to. She sees spirits and baffle: ET's. She doesn't have any religion and she's not esoteric at all. Her mind is 100% ok. In reality she doesn't know what to do with this gift which has appeared from out of nowhere. She didn't even know what third eye was before the incident. Only now she is researching things related to the third eye. But many things she is experiencing is not easy to find answers. Now I know the Eye of Horus legend is real.
Dude , it's cause of all the past civilizations ,we exist , so either way ,our reality is that we are humans and are bound to flourish further, like we did in past .
Damn ,just listened the last lines ,so true.
I think individualism, a common theme he critiques, is a reaction to the modern world, which is probably more mechanistic, like an ant colony, than we'd like to admit. If we were less 'overcrowded', collectivism would be the dominant culture. How many sincerely individual people do we really meet (beyond the tokenistic trends of attire)? Most people I know eat, sleep, poo, watch TV and work for someone else. Oh and they breed future worker ants as well. Individualism is the desire that, ironically, can never be realised as 'self' is possibly the illusion of our modern subjective reality.
James Hatton No one can know who they really are unless they’re part of a group.
Depends on your definition of "individual" or individualism. Humanity, like reality, is a social construct. A true individual separates themselves from humanity, making of themselves nothing more then a merely technological animal.
Jake Aurod If humanity is a social construct then why wouldn’t an individual be? Human beings as a species can be defined as a collection of individuals that are capable of reproducing with opposite sexed individuals of the same group.
@@jakeaurod How can anyone be separated since we are all connected by our social conscious net of our species and many other nets of different conscious nets of our commonness with other beings?
@@januarysson5633 Individualism is a social construct, among those in the group in reference to the one that is not part of the group. Individualization can probably exist within the group, as far as the norms allow, but individualism beyond what is allowed can result in no longer being a member of the group.
He looks like real life walter white
Thats what got my attention to watch it. Then I enjoyed the talk.
I'm going to save this one.
I want to listen again and think about what the professor said in depth.
this is just straight to the point!
I see one BIG PROBLEM here: It is true that our individual and collective perceptions of the world shape the way we interpret our environment, build our societies and live our lives. E.g. economists say that individuals are self-interested and rational; thus we are competitive people living in a capitalist systems, striving for ever more wealth. This is clearly based on a myth (humans aren't just self-interested and they are certainly not raional) and destroys our planet.
However, its is wrong to say that today's Western culture is no better than ancient cultures and that believing in something like an objective, physical world is arrogant:
Science is not a discipline that produces facts but a process of asking questions and testing (each others) hypothesis. Every scientist has to assume that their findings are tested by others who have different beliefs, different perceptions of reality. Therefore he/she has to be cautious in their theories in order to produce results that can be found (quantitatively measured) and therefore perceived (interpreted) by others as 'true'. Therefore, a society that listens to science will form myths around things that are 'objective and physical' and can be perceived to be true by everyone, regardless of their individual belief system.
True in theory but not how it operates the same in practice. If you become a phd and continue in academia that notion will be quickly disillusioned. Science is effective but it is still subject to inertia. Similairly to the idea that religion perfectly practiced should generate human happiness and contentment but again not how it works in practice.
@@MegaAbdelgader Not all study areas are neatly testable. But our physical models are extensively tested and extremely reliable for predicting measurable phenomena. The inertia in the scientific community can be more a feature than a bug. Good scientists wait for very good evidence to accumulate before completely dropping old ideas. People aren't perfect, but the evidence is that the process works to predict measurable phenomena.
@@davidwilder2242 Thank you - finally a set of sensible comments
Interesting concepts in this talk. I have some issues though. Earlier civilizations did not have all the excesses of modern times because they didn't have our knowledge base. Not because they had better models. Give ancient Greece the scientific knowledge of today and would they act any differently than we do today? I don't know. I rather doubt it.
There is certainly no doubt that modern humanity is racing full steam ahead into the destruction of the resources that sustain us. And although it will likely destroy our civilizations I don't see it changing. Looking back on what more ancient cultures did, how they behaved, is not going to get us out of the trouble we are in. Looking forward, changing our cultures into what they need to become if we are to survive, that is the only way out of the doom that is awaiting us just around the corner.
You have a point, but I believe that the comparison between contemporary society and older civilizations can be of use if we understand that the knowledge of "what" to do (I.e.: the technical know-how upon which contemporary culture is based) must come hand in hand with the knowledge of "how to do so without it being detrimental to the world" (I.e.: knowing that even if fossil fuels systems are indeed more efficient compared to wind and solar power, their prolonged use on a vast scale would put in danger our survival) and that's where the idea of a unified world in which humans are in real harmony between themselves and their environment can be taken and has to be taken into consideration, and models of the world like those used by past civilizations are to be taken as examples for that, imo.
One of the great speeches I've ever seen
Great topic and timing.
This guy is a bit behind the times. It has taken him 20 years to get to this point.
The Greeks are not the best example of past civilisations differing from ours. The biggest difference is that science is too often arrogant to dictate what our "reality" should be. As individuals, we are entitled to build our own reality.
Radiation, electricity, electromagnetic fields, WiFi, etc - all real for all of us though we don't see them. Though they may look unreal (and divine) for the ancient people.
This is some early XX century view :-)
right on!
Radiation, fields and particles, are they really real? Physicists themselves are still debating what is real in the quantum world.
By the way, he is not just talking about physical reality, but also on the reality of different values and different ways of seeing what are important in the world.
Here come the Blue Smoke Truthers...
That lecture was LIT, thank you sir!
Very very very good talk, enlightening!
Constructionism. Berger and Luckmann wrote an influential book about this a while ago.
"The Social Construction of Reality" - Doubleday/Anchor, 1966
yesssssss
you're the epitome of an Atlas Shrugged antagonist
dam right ... frightening
Why?
@@victorlemashon1133 read the book
Yuck, libertarians.
an Atlas Shrugged antagonist would be a government beaurocrat.
Very well remembered and executed
We live in complex times. The athenians were capable of incredible mathematics and high craftsmanship. Like other civilizations. His talk is a warning. His talk is not a call to believe in Zeus or a need to pray to Thor. He is speaking of science guiding us towards a more respectful civilizations.