The Unusual Earth Orbit Circling Above Our Ancient Past | Roger G. Gilbertson | TEDxColoradoSprings
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2024
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When does our future meet our past? How does our scientific knowledge grow and change? A newly recognized type of Earth orbit can travel directly above a great circle formed by some of the oldest and most distinctive ancient human constructions on the surface of the Earth: the Giza pyramids, Machu Picchu, Easter Island, Angkor Wat, Mohenjo-Daro, and many others.
But is there any connection to all this? What do we need to learn - scientifically - to gain a greater understanding of the links between these sites, and the great changes that happened on our planet 12,800 years ago. Follow the adventures of a science writer and skeptic as he explores extraordinary coincidences, connections, and the evidence linking our modern world to our mysterious past. I like to make up stuff - stories, inventions, visual and auditory experiences. But when it comes to understanding the “real world” I want facts, and the scientific method provides our best way of finding them, and of making sure we are not misled by fantasies, fallacies, or frauds.
Ever since I first learned about Stonehenge when I was very young, I’ve been fascinated by the mysteries of our ancient human past, and the many unanswered questions. Our scientific toolkit lets us push back the unknown to gain a clearer understanding of where we came from, who we are, and in turn - where we might be going.
In my years as a writer, inventor, researcher, filmmaker, skeptic, story teller and explainer, I have always tried to keep an open mind about what we do not yet know. I seek the truth wherever it resides, and try to follow wherever it may lead, for the greatest mysteries are often the ones that we are the closest to solving next. This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at www.ted.com/tedx
TED "flagging" this talk speaks volumes about the state of our academic, archeological, and scientific community. Thank you Mr. Gilbertson 👏
@Atheos B. Sapien OH, struck a nerve? You don't like it when our junk education is questioned. Sorry
@Atheos B. Sapien lol you and your indoctrinated mind can go back under the rock from which you came 🕊🤣
@@rainydays999 Bingo. Another cult member, indoctrinated with things they are told to believe and memorize.
@Atheos B. Sapien Aren't you due for another booster, miss critical thinker? Lol
@Atheos B. Sapien There’s this thing called “punctuation.”
Try it. You might like it !!
I love that the speaker raised more questions than he gave answers, and the call to action was inspiring.
Excellent speaker. I followed everything he said. He did not go off on a side trip, stayed to the direct path and kept everyone right on the subject. EXCELLENT!!
he kept a tight orbit on his thoughts
@RLS -
And I guess that orbit under the sea, is the best place to look for ancient structures.
Nah.
@@anthonyv6962yup. Right on. Remember the bicycle thingy? If you measure the ratios of the three main bars of a bike you get some numbers that “amazingly” match the ratios of the orbits of planets and masses of particles and damned near anything else if you look hard enough.
It's just that there is not an actual logical connection between the anecdotes he divulges, nor is there any actual evidence for any monument-buiding before 12,000 ybp (Göbekli Tepe being the oldest known monumental construction site), nor is any of the monuments underneath his "elastic band" anywhere near such an age.
In truth, it all sounds nice, but it adds up to one big non sequitur.
Excellent talk. The example you gave about continental drift perfectly demonstrates how easily mainstream science dismisses ideas that cannot be explained by our current understanding of reality. In order for science to progress we need to be open-minded, not dogmatic.
💯 agree
@Something Something Dark Side you have to admit that scientists (not science) can become entrenched in their ideas and defend them beyond reason.
@Something Something Dark Side oh yeah science is always so open to new ideas they'll happily research anything fearlessly without the worry of being outcast by their peers. LMAO!!!!!
I agree and would add that we be open minded without letting our brains fall out
@@mikebronicki8264 that is a people problem not a science problem.
TED: We've flagged this talk Me: Thanks! I'm glad you make it so easy to find the TED talks actually worth listening to
haha this ^
Flogged.
So true :)
So true!!
Good for a laugh.
Even if he doesn't discover what he is looking for, he'll still discover far more than the man that doesn't look.
I can listen to talks/speculations about advanced civilizations all day.
This is courageous. I applaud this man. It seems we need to dig deeper and rewrite history.
Graham Hancock and Randal Carlson have been talking about this stuff for years. Talking about riding on the coat tails of others.
not just him or them, dozens of people have been working on this.
Bravo Elon Musk. Hero of free speech.
Nothing new here. Many have already stated these facts and more accurately this Neanderthal. Welcome to club, almost, better late than never
this has been known for yrs by all conspiracy therorists, its an alien track, built on purpose,. revalation of the pyramids. vid.
Graham Hancock has been telling this story for 30 yrs!
He's met with combative resistance by mainstream !
Glad to see the world is finally catching up!
More tricky than meets the eye
Hancock is a crackpot.
@@brucecovert3188 How?
@@Mortum_Rex Ya , and you're watching his story right here right now!
So who's the crack pot!
@@Mortum_Rex You're an obvious Moron!
Ive watched hundreds of ted talks and this one blows all the rest out of the water. By far my favorite ted talk ever. And ted won’t even recognize it. Shame on ted. Shame. Shame. Shame. This guy is awesome and I’m going to buy whatever books he writes and watch whatever videos I can find by him
What might be the "claims made in this talk [...] not corroborated by scientific evidence" they mean? "Huge blocks that we wouldn't realistically try to move today" (12:28)? Or perhaps: "Researchers suspect - and there is good evidence for - 13,000 years ago there was a more advanced form of human civilization. How advanced is hard to say" (15:16)?
'The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity' -Dorothy Parker
Aʜᴇᴍ .
Death?
More universally applicable than, "Brevity is the soul of Lingerie."
@@mountainman88 I'm kinda curious what may be beyond this limited dimensional realm. ;-)
There must be a cure for curiosity because a lot of people today just don't have any of it.
This talk is fascinating and untarnished by dogma, unlike the TED moderators whose ‘content guidelines’ phrase masks prejudice. It is TED moderators who should account for their decisions publicly on a case by case basis. In this case, I believe they have gone right overboard.
WELL SAID!!
Totally agree!
Bollocks
Had TED censored parts or banned it, I would share your disparaging view. But all they did was post a 'heads-up', stating that the talk does not meet a level of corroboration or proof. That is fair enough. TED posted a heads-up, and we the viewer are free to judge for ourselves how much credence we give it. I found it highly credible. And, he only encouraged more investigation into the past. He did not posit wild claims about aliens. I see ZERO in TED's two sentence heads-up that represents a 'mask for prejudice'
@@gregparrott thanks for this information. Appreciated and understood.
Dear TED, with all due respect, the guy’s done his homework, and it’s solid.
Maybe be it’s time for TED to examine itself, and determine if TED isn’t holding onto old fallacies a wee bit too tightly ....
TED evidently has an agenda they wish to impress upon the public. What exactly that entails and how well will it benefit the public is yet to be determined.
Come off it! You listen to one TED talk and you think you can talk about "old fallacies"?
@@thisunity Yes, to make people more well-informed.
@@georgeholloway3981 What "old fallacies" are you referring to? I am curious.
Speak for yourself my friend. I’ve been following these things fir 5+ decades.🤣 welcome to the party, but try to keep an open mind....lol
When I was a kid in the 1970's, the notion that Vikings visited North America was considered fringe . Today, it is accepted fact.
Daniel Logan-Scott Me tooooooo....but many many years before that!
My grandfather saw viking marks in Michigan....agreed
Ed Foojay Hmm? I bet that your grandfathers grandfather could be watching you, wondering if you have his axe?
Possibly, they went much further south as well. In my DNA research, I found a match with someone who had never left Norway who apparently had some matches to Meso-American DNA.
Dean Logan Hmm? 1000CE is so recent? The Egyptian Pyramids were supposedly built pre 4000CE....With technology unimagined even today....! Why explain 1000CE....When the millennia’s a’priori is the preferable, though more challenging route. Unless of course the Norsemen are More Advanced?...Wood against 60 to 1000+ tonnes of laser type granite carpentry?
Great talk. We know that ocean levels were 400 feet lower between 13,000 and 20,000 years ago, so searching the continental shelfs may indeed uncover stone buildings and other artifacts of lost and highly advanced civilizations.
if they were that advanced, why didn't they just move to higher ground?
@@marydesmond9595 Well yes, the inhabitants could easily leave, but as I stated, the buildings and other stone structures would still be there. Some may be partially poking out of the ocean floor, while other structures will be completely covered up.
In a sudden catastrophic event, one seldom gets the chance to move … picture an earthquake or a tsunami, few people get enough warning to leave.
12,000 years ago mammoths were found flash frozen with forage in there mouth and stomach, indicating a magnetic pole reversal, major volcanic activity, covered in a layer of carbon, we are due and right on tract for another magnetic pole reversal.
@@Bravemouth2 I think Mary means that such an advanced civilization should have had sites at higher places from the beginning. But it could appear as plausible that also such a civilization would have disappeared because it would have been refined overly much, would have relied on a dangerously strong distribution of production sites for specialized equipment.
This looks like a great map of where archeologists should continue to dig for additional possible sites… “made by humans,” made by earthlings yes, humans - maybe, but truly a witness that previously a civilization more capable than our own-collapsed.
This guy is on my wavelength, what an excellent TED talk. The most interesting talks are always the ones that give you new perspective and ask questions about what we think we know, and this guy is asking all the right questions.
I agree, and I appreciated that he didn’t make any claims here. He didn’t say “our history is all wrong.” Because the vast majority of it is probably not. But he said “We might be missing some pieces to the puzzle; we might not. Let’s find out.” I really appreciate this perspective. And his closing thoughts (because his claims here are extraordinary): “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” Love that he didn’t shy away from that.
Those type talks is what TED Talks Usually ban.
Censorship is a terrible cancer in the world of knowledge.
And to think this all started in 1990's with the realization the Spinx has torrential rain damage.....
@Terre Schill Rational thought
I personally think Earth's past was full of worldwide earthquakes, continental shift, volcanoes whatever you want to call it, creating a worldwide tsunami.
It's becoming increasingly apparent that we're living not only on a privileged speck of dust in an incomprehensibly 'yuge' and violent universe, in an unusual solar system, and under a unique star, but also that humans are fortunate to even be in existence during such an incredibly special and tiny sliver of geological time.
AMEN 🙏🏼
Yeah sure, but add the chances of a particular bacterium getting gobbled by an early cell to become mitochondria, thus overcoming the energy limitations on the size & complexity of prokaryotes cells, AND the impacts of O2 producing life & geological processes on the atmosphere etc, if you really want to blow your mind ..
So true
For those of us who belong to the "curious scientific club", if you're not feeling like a 4 year old, at least most of the time, you're missing the whole point of the exercise, of being human. Good talk.
Great talk! Not only in content but in delivery. Sometimes one thumbs up doesn't seem enough.
Absolutely
What was in this talk that is outside the guidelines? He started with a fringe idea that after decades of work is now an accepted mainstream theory (plate tectonics). Then explained how a more recent fringe idea led him to dig a little deeper and how that digging led to a new discovery (the two day orbit). And concluded with the idea that fringe science isn't such a bad starting point to look at things from a different perspective, ask questions that mainstream science hasn't thought to ask, and to investigate things even if they have a 'good enough' explanation already. Isn't that the whole point of science? To get past the 'good enough' theories to the actual truth?
Let's float this boat Ted, if you remove the agenda from science, then its all fringe, correct?
Think about how much money that can be made by researching these ideas and the new publishing income that can be arrived at by conclusions that peer into the past history only one half of a Great Year, 12,500 years, or approximately 13,000 years. This could be the excitement that propels young people to become our new archeologists. Damn exciting!
@@michaelfinucan8605 there's that "evolutionary" monitory theory again! Science will have to debate that for centuries! 💖
Your both very correct.
EXCELLENT comment. Thank you :)
Weird that Graham Hancock got banned from TED for saying these things.
Not really. If Graham Hancock said those things he should be rightly laughed out of town. This guy is also a sensationalist and not an archaeologist or astro physicist. He may be an innocent ignoramous, but so long as he advertises that his childlike fascination is not science, I'm OK with his time wasting.
@@angrytedtalks I see why you are called "Angry Ted"!!! Jeeez man, lighten up already!!!
@@rachiesayd9423 I am often unimpressed with Ted talks, hence the avatar. I'm pretty chill IRL.
@@angrytedtalks you don't seem very chill to me!!! But then I am accustomed to civilized people who don't project or ascribe intentions and personal thoughts to others!!!
@@rachiesayd9423 Then why are you in the comment section of a controversial pseudo scientific pop archaeology video? When people spout this sort of bunk they expect to be called out. Of course they hope to indoctrinate more gullible fools and make money out it as sensational fantasy.
The culmination of Randall Carlson, Brian Forester, Robert Schoch, Greg Hancock. UNBELIEVABLE TED TALK!
It puts everything together in a new and great way with regards to a connection of modern technology, and it’s potential purposes for ancient sites and/or technology.
Hi, it's Graham H. A Brit and co-wrote fun books w/Rbt. Bauval, too.🙋
@@nomadscavenger Correct - Graham Handcock has written some amazing books covering all of this.
Above all else, let's not be afraid to rewrite history and call out previous misconceptions as partially or completely incorrect. Because without them, we wouldn't have a path to begin the journey towards truthful understanding.
It took something like 40 years for Clovis first to finally die academia is dead now. Imagine taking 40 years to finally admit the first human settlement in the Americas wasn't in Arizona.
We're not allowed to rewrite history
@@gwills9337 Are you positing a secret committee or a secret global leader making dictates?
of course you flag it... standard establishment response, discredit it without addressing the argument. Great talk Roger.
What scientific argument did he make?
He is presenting an idea that needs researching based on observable facts
Turns out that's a trait adopted by liberals, elitists, and all the little terrorist wanna-bees that run our media these days, i.e., don't allow free speech, don't encourage thinking for yourself and whatever you do don't disobey orders, e.g., stay home/stay safe, where a mask like all the other sheep, etc., etc. And, don't ever ask for proof...
They're not interfering with his free speech. They're not deleting it or criticizing it or belittling him in any way. All they're saying is: This falls outside our guidelines. He's presenting a question. Good. It's an interesting question. Maybe he can get funding to examine it. Good for him. But at this moment, there's no scientific evidence to answer the question. That's neither good nor bad. It's simply a fact.
Must not be part of the new narrative of beliefs being pushed for the new world religion of non-thinking blindly following morons. Isn't it funny how so many people are so afraid to challenge the status quo?
An easy chap to follow, albeit i'm not scientifically minded but i do enjoy clarity and reasoning. I'm 71 female and 'into' deep deep ancient history and how it is manifesting 'now'. Thank You.
Yes there is likely ancient manmade artifacts in the earths crust might he unknown to us now . People have discussed this in the past .. One was like a novel called the Hab Theory about major pole shifts that destroyed extremely ancient races and cultures that had to start over again !
I am just commenting so it could reach more people. Greetings from Poland
These are the sort of presentations I really love. Not too fringe but close enough to the edge to make you think about the possibilities. It's easy to fall into the trap that because we learned something that was accepted as factual we don't need to question it and anyone who does is a conspiracy theorist. The best attitude to learning is not to boast about how much we know but to embrace what we don't know and search there for scientific answers.
Why would you question a fact? A fact is simply a measurement made to accepted standards. We collect facts in pursuit of science. The speaker here is pseudoscience, i.e. NOT science.
"It's easy to fall into the trap that because we learned something that was accepted as factual "
How much of this presentation was factual?
NOTE FROM TED: ". . . Claims made in this talk only represent the speaker’s personal views which are not corroborated by scientific evidence. "
@@binkwillans5138 Questioning accepted answers IS science.
@@bjjolley Not knowing FACTS is NOT science. You are in the pseudo-science TRAP.
@@binkwillans5138 so a hypothesis is a...?
I am more fascinated by this subject than anything else and I too crave knowledge of what, who, and why all this was built throughout the planet. We have lost a massive chunk of our ancient history and it needs to be recovered.
Do you really not find research into reincarnation-like phenomena even more fascinating?
Roger I applaud your intelligent and courageous approach here! You ave the guts to push boundaries that most are too terrified to touch. Please keep up the good work.
I think his talk mainly is an appeal to stay open-minded, anyway.
Terrified?
Keep up the very good work and don't slow down, we need answers.
Great video, I believe humans have been around a lot longer than what main stream people elude to. Giving credit to a simple culture that the work was way more advanced than they could do or duplicate.
Maybe not around longer but more advanced longer ago than is thought.
It's impossible to elude *to* something; it means avoid or escape. Did you mean *allude,* Einstein?
@@himoffthequakeroatbox4320 Simple mistake no need to get dyspeptic Einstien
6 millenia
@@anthonyv6962your evidence?
Humanity need to take Robert Gilbertson seriously and use all available resources & talent along with hard work to seek answers to those important questions. His works is ground breaking. He is a genius. We need to listen to him.
Do you think that investigations into the question Mr. Gilbertson raises could enable us to reverse engineer valuable machinery?
I think he came close to saying that 2DO would have provided the ideal vantage point from which a satellite with a solar-generated, basalt-cutting capability could orbit. I can interact with mainstream media to gain mundane information; however, I watch TedX to push my boundaries. Thank you TedX for airing this, even if you gave it a qualifier.
Wait... are you suggesting that a satellite could use some sort of solar-powered laser to cut GROUND-BASED basalt rock from hundreds of miles up in SPACE???
He came close to suggest that 2DO can be used as a space-based weapon.
I don't think he was going there hypothetically. He did hypothesize mirror or solar collecting satellites outside the van Allen belts and Magnasphere that would limit solar radiation...then beaming such energy to earth or providing extra sunlight for places along that orbit.
One might hypothesize energy collectors or converters on earth to use such energy. Astrophysicists have been discussing this as a 2nd stage Civilization possibility for future centuries since the 70s....after we have converted all potential energy on earth....or as an alternative to localized electrical energy plants like we experience the last 140 years.
I am sure this hit my feed because I watched "Ancient Apocalypse" on Netflix. Interesting ideas to think about and indicative of our need to push back on so-called "settled science"!
Thank you Roger. This is one of the most exciting talks that I have enjoyed in the TED(x) smorgasbord of scientific thought discussion. There is no doubt about the existence of a very dramatic, wonderful, inspiring presence of a pre-historic existence of a humanity that excelled at producing mind boggling structures in ways and means that completely escape our "modern" understanding. I have always been convinced of the existence of a single "human culture" that produced colossal works of Art characteristically similar everywhere on Earth as well as the towering heights of their astronomical and mathematical knowledge.
To even dream that someday we will know more about our "Elders" is as exciting as the hope and (f)act of actually finding out.
there is an even better explanation , go look at some of Trey Smith's videos , especially the "Theory of everything"
Simple. Read the Sumerian texts. You’re welcome.
I agree. It's frustrating being in my 60s because I don't want to clock out without some of this stuff being 'solved'. What does puzzle me however about these ideas is where is the writing? I'm pretty sure a civilization advanced enough to do oceanic travel and mapping or (as this video shows) might have even understood complex orbits, would have had to have writing. So why just cryptic figures with handbags? Why not cover walls of stone with writing telling us their story, preserving it for us, which is what they were apparently trying to do: seed the hunter gatherers with technical know-how. It's a frustrating but fascinating puzzle. Ancient Apocalypse on Netflix is superb if you've not seen it. Grahame Hancock is a wonderful speaker and filmmaker.
Here, here...!!!
@@BigDog366 Perhaps they used "cryptic" images to just tell a story anyone of any language would have the same ideas related to them. Unfortunately we don't understand the images.
TED: You have deteriorated over the years, these are the type of talks I listen to! Innovative, fresh, inspiring and outside the box! I thought you was supposed to be making change possible! Without new ideas we become stagnant! A lot of people agree and you WILL lose the respect you gained from intelligent people! Look at the safire project, innovative and will change our understanding of the universe but was fringe a matter of a year ago. History will judge those who held humanity back and you are now prime suspect! Humanity is moving forward while you move backwards!
It's not innovative. It's pseudoscience. Where are the proofs? What are the claims? It's empty.
Intriguing talk presented flawlessly by someone impassioned. I love it!!
Roger, I highly recommend checking out a video presentation by retired US Army Officer Dr. Walt Brown (former director of a large DOD R&D lab). The video (found on YT) is entitled "The Hydroplate Theory - The Flood (Newer Version)."
Thank you for your service, sir!
Excellent coverage of the truth! Thank you!!!
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident"
Arthur Schopenhauer.
This lecture has singlehandedly restored my faith in TED Talks. Bravo!
ted talk flagged this LOL
You flagged it?
This man is fantastic!!
FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
Wow. This is incredible. Magnificent work!
TED’s guidelines could be expanded, but I’m glad they allowed this video. Fascinating topic... our human history. If you are interested in more info on this topic, look up ‘Suspicious Observers’, and Also Thunderbolt of the Gods by Talbott.
Roger gives an excellent talk. I have wondered for most of my life, about the megaliths, that would challenge our abilities today. We have ancient maps, showing all parts of this Earth, not just the oceans, but correctly showing continental interiors. History is not what we are taught in school. We know that these mysteries were kept from our questioning minds.
Roger may not fit TED Talks guidelines the way the guidelines are written. With respect, perhaps the Guidelines need to be revisited.
I'm sorry. Questioning of established guidelines is beyond the boundaries of valid scientific inquiry. Your lack of adherence to these guidelines has been noted and records of your infringement will be maintained in case future action should be required. For everyone's sake, we must ask you you to refrain from implying guidelines could be wrong. Rest assured that if we are wrong, we will detect this and let you know about it.
@@disqusmacabre6246 ...and then no one else will have ever heard of him...
@@disqusmacabre6246 Are you being serious? I'm pretty sure I know the answer but I had to ask.
Not much was accurately taught beyond math and basic physics/biology if were lucky.
@@disqusmacabre6246 you need to push the boundaries of your mind! It's okay to stay in the little academic box you have created for yourself but you should have put in Windows and doors.
I've watched so many Ted Talks over the years that I "almost" stopped watching them. THIS talk though is one of the most riveting and interesting and well vocalised that I've ever seen. It is also inspiring and I thank you Roger Gilbertson from the bottom of my heart.
To my mind this TEDx Talk demonstrates the importance of following any leads (no matter how crazy at first they may seem) to wherever good quality questions may take us. The lengths one must go to satisfactorily answer & refine it, or to disprove it, often times show where gaps in our understanding exist. This is important because it is in these gaps where novel ideas have always existed, as they silently await our recognition of them.
On the other hand, outright dismissal of good questions based solely on conflicting results which speak against our preconceptions highlights the foolishness of holding inflexible world views. Such a limiting bias takes one only so far. As more evidence accumulates in support of incredible claims we must be willing to entertain the possibility that our old preconceived conceptual frameworks should be put to rest, in favor of new ones.
Anything is possible, for those bold enough to seek a deeper understanding of things. So stay curious folks. We don't know what we don't know. To say nothing at all about that which has been forgotten through the passage of time.
Well said. And I agree wholeheartedly.
@@RexHrothgar1 thank you!
Excellent ✨
@@juliafox7904 thank you!
Well said Delta, maybe you should be giving some talks to scientists and the skeptics. I just can't understand how people can be so closed minded rather than be the one to find the answers.
I noticed that most of the important ancient sites lined up on the maps even when I was kid .. and now this guy makes more sense of it , I always wondered ...
This intelligent man literally worked with rocket scientists to help encourage his own curioisties that later made mathematical sense. He did research, followed his own theories, expanded the present knowledge into unimaginable lengths that can help venture out into a greater discovery and he is being flagged for that? It’s disappointing and wrong for that to have happened. Great work man, hopefully you get the credit and recognition you deserve when the world jumps onto this road of discovery you have paved the way for.
Another Excellent TED talk!
I, too, as a child saw the puzzle-piece layout of the continents and proposed they once all fit together. Adults and later teachers scoffed. Then, the scientists said, "Um ... hey ..." Also as a child when people said, "Why did the dinosaurs die out?" I said they didn't; they EVOVLED. More scoffing ... and now we know where birds came from.
Sometimes the mainstream science community needs to look at fresh ideas from people not fully indoctrinated into their academia. They NEED an injection of innocent wonder, of the daring questions Why? and How?
insightfully compiled. While Ted explained about the different orbital positions and their ground paths and the ancient structures they crossed, it hit me. What if the continents were in their original positions all the way back to the one continent called Pangaea what would they cross, better yet what would they reveal? This just makes my mind go crazy thinking of the possibilities. Good job Ted; I always thought our history was a lot more complicated than what we were taught; this may not prove it, but it opens the door to many possibilities yet to be explored. It just may reveal the first civilization on earth and where its ruins are today.
Now THAT is a question!
Yes, I thought the same thing. Civilizations that are far away today may have been closer to each other when they were alive. And maybe those land masses split apart much faster than we believe.
I like what he's saying! He's absolutely right. We need to rediscover our missing past.
For anyone passing by this comment. There are two specific things you should research. 1) Super flat surfaces. We're talking 8m long flat granite carved from the bedrock with a flatness of 1.1-3 micron deviations near Cusco. 2) Also look at the box at the Serapeum of Saqqara. Inside edge precision and squareness, in particular the inside edges.
These two things show the same level of capability on opposite sides of the world. The box in particular shows that things like even diamond tipped circular saws could not manucature then due to the cutting radius precludes the inside edges and corners
Technology to *measure* the micron level flatness has only existed since a few decades ago and many aerospace experts struggle to imagine how you would create them with their knowledge and capabilities.
It is inconceivable that 'copper tools' could accomplish this feat when we could not operate at this level of capability until after accomplishing manned space flight. which suggests.... manned space flight was possible back when these surfaces were produced.
Some idle thoughts: Was there some kind of natural phenomenon that created dead flat rocks (some relic of the ice age?). And they were all collected for construction. Or what about weathering where the wind might remove all irregularities due to natural aerodynamics? Could they have engineered devices that used gravity to chip away at rock in the dead vertical? So many questions, it's a fantastic mystery to contemplate.
You can very precisely hand grind a telescope mirror using a laser to find the rough spots. That would assume the existence of lasers.
On another topic, they always say that the locals don’t show any evidence for having the ability to make a (fill in the blank). The same will be said about us. But we know that highly advanced items can be brought from a world away via UPS or fedex. But the ancients couldn’t? And they couldn’t hire contractors to do specialized work in out-of-the-way locations? We never do that today (insert sarcastic noise).
If there was someone who knew how to do or make a particular thing, they would have bought it, same as us. You can buy a cheap laser at walmart, a better one on amazon.
Agreed. I'm an engineer and I'm baffled
Astounding! I recreated Mr. Gilbertson's 2-day circular orbit in Google Maps based on the mentioned landmarks and added a couple interesting ruins and found this to be compelling.
" The largest stonework humans have ever done." I may be wrong, but we really don't know who accomplished the megalithic stone work, but I'm guessing it may not have been the work of "humans" at all, the size is one reason and the perfection of the execution in antiquity is another.
As a non-native speaker I didn't completely understand the first part and his urge to find orbits (?), but when it came to that one orbit crossing these ancient sites I was totally hooked! Really, really fascinating stuff.
I am, and I still didn’t follow what, in fact, he was initially looking for.
Great presentation Genevieve. Continue to do and share your work with us. Please.
I like the way this man thinks. I want to hear more from this man.
This talk was fantastic. We need more.
18:00 He mentions underwater drones "looking for ancient sites, roadways, seabed relics...". Part of my job in the past 40 years was analyzing hi-res bathymetry and hi-res seismic data for offshore site surveys on the US continental shelf (up to +/-600' water depth) prior to drilling/pipeline/cable operations. Part of the written report (public information) was a check for seafloor or shallowly buried potential 'habitation sites'. There were a few seen over to 50 or so 3miX3mi sites I worked on, usually buried under a few meters of sediment (several thousand years worth by paleontology, indicating that sea level has risen and/or the land has subsided) and located near to a now-buried stream channel. The US Geological Survey, Bureau of Land Management, and the Bureau of Indian Affairs were always interested in those sections of the report, and we always had to avoid doing any operations directly over or near those areas.
Where are these reports?
Or admitting to them...or attempting to explain them.
You found 50 or more habitation sites on the continental self of North America? And there is not a shred of this being researched or available to the Public. That is exactly how conspiracy theories are made. 3 x 3 mile sites are huge. I want real info and data.
Bryan Burnside get rich and fund your own initiative
@@jedimasterretsamidej9220 LOL Not likely. I have terminal cancer and have been retired on SS and a small pension for 10 years.
Good talk on an old idea. The new orbit is fascinating. Maybe some of the sites that don't intersect your specific orbit line up under an orbit with a different inclination. Thanks for adding to the weight of evidence that we need to investigate these things.
Excellent, inspiring and motivating presentation!
I admire every person who investigates our very ancient history with an open mind. Thank you Mr Gilbertson. Mankind is much older than most people think. Civilizations come and go in a cycle because the Earth is suffering from a recurring natural disaster. That is what ancient books as the Indian Mahabharata and the Mayan Popol Vuh, tell us. There is one long era in which mankind can develop to even a higher level than we know today, succeeded by four shorter era in which people reach only a low level. The high level civilization knew that, and when, they would disappear because of the next recurring disaster. They must have decided to build the Great Pyramid and many other enormous structures to tell us that they existed. And surviving places high in the mountains as Machu Picchu. The cause of this cycle is Planet 9, which is orbiting our sun in an eccentric orbit. That planet is only shortly in the vicinity of the sun and the planets. It crosses the ecliptic planes of the planets at a very high speed and disappears into space where it slows down and makes a loop to come back thousands of years later. If you don't know this cycle, history is incomprehensible. To learn much more about the recreation of civilizations, the cycle of recurring floods, and ancient high technology, read the eBook: "Planet 9 = Nibiru". You can read it nicely on any computer, tablet or smartphone. Search for: invisible nibiru 9
This is one of the most fascinating and progressive talks I ever watched on TED ever. For TED to flag this as "Outside" of its guidelines is ridiculous at best. We need more thinking outside of the box and less traditional science. We have stalled in progress as a people/race due to the standard or norm of thinking. There is so much unexplained on this planet and it concerns all that TED is not pushing for discovery or promoting thinking outside of the box. The TED way is why man still has not made it to Mars or beyond. Limited thought, limited conversation, limited insight, and limited vision.
According to TED the science is ‘settled’.
This is so embarrassing of TED
🤣🤣🤣
@@sevenravens Hahahah . So funny... and so true!!!
I am very interested in the arcane long deep past of humans! Ancient unknown cultures, developments, civilizations, etc. This is one of the best TED talks I have ever heard!!! If there is any way we can discover the answers to the forgotten past, we should absolutely spend the time money and effort to do so!!! There is no telling what mysteries we could solve!!!
Please read Sitchin. He explains all of this in a cogent manner. Sagan generally rejected ancient astronaut theory. That was an egregious mistake.
If you like this have a look at Graham Hancock’s TADtalk
Fascinating
I also liked Sitchin's book The Lost Book Of Enki. What a great read. And I think he was genuine in his interpretation and translations. Aside from that Giants are a great interest I have. I once heard of an experiment involving two Parana fish in two separate tanks. One tank held regular oxygen levels and the other higher oxygen levels. The Parana that had the higher oxygen environment grew much larger than the Parana with the regular oxygen levels. So if the Earth had a higher oxygen level in ancient times Giant Humans could have been a reality, I think.
@@stephaniesmith5326 Please keep in mind that Sitchin wrote “LBOE” as the last one at the end of his career and he clearly said he was filling in the blanks from broken tablets. Have you read his Earth Chronicles series? Please read all 7 books in order!
@@mattsapero1896 to say Sagan was egregiously mistaken is a very grand claim; one of the greatest human scuentific intellects of all time challenged by who exactly .. You?
ted talks should unflag this because this is amazing. just because its not mainstream doesnt mean it doesnt make sense. what we know today is literally us interpreting history
Absolutely great -- the true enquiring mind. Not just following things already accepted, but so refreshing, so inspiring. thank you Mr Gilbertson !!
Get this man on JRE !
Hes blind , narrow minded , and not well informed,chasing the wrong ghosts
@@thephuntastics2920 Pothead Joe or this guy? LOL
Just Twiitered Joe on this, along with Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson
JRE is a state asset. Avoid.
An excellent brief of Graham Hancock decades of research on the field. Very refreshing to hear such interesting ideas be put to scrutiny.
no mention of Hancock. :(
For good reason
Yes! Yes! "We, Autocrats, shall forever attempt to ban ideas and work outside our permitted fields", said all the penguins of "established Academia" in a chorus of consonant voices. "Anything/everything laying outside our dictates, must be destroyed, else our ignorance be exposed and destroyed in turn." And yes, "we are ready to die in/with the sinking ship," spoke the fools.
Two year's later and He's still right. we need to look much deeper.
Absolutely Stunning
I really like this guy. We need more of him and his thoughts....Amazing
Hi, I was the curator for this talk - I just want to clarify TED's flag.
They felt uncomfortable with Roger's claims about the ways humans settled North America, and civilizations beyond the continental shelf, as well as comments about DNA, not the overall theme of the talk. Unfortunately, their default flag paragraph doesn't really capture which parts of the talk they had issues with, so for anyone watching the talk (which is about using science, not conspiracy theories to explain difficult questions), it's a bit confusing - it was confusing for me, too, so I called them.
I could have done better making sure every one of Roger's claims was appropriately cited and helping to guide him to stay away from scientifically phrased claims that were outside his expertise. We're all learning a lot in western culture in the last few years about the importance of intentionally fact-checked, appropriately couched science communication, and I'm glad TED has guidelines to help TEDx curators do this thoughtfully. It's not easy, but it is important.
Hopefully, that clears up the strange flag confusion in the comments!
Keep bravely asking big questions and endeavoring to examine the evidence thoughtfully. Thanks for watching :)
Umm, what? "claims about the ways humans settled North America, and civilizations beyond the continental shelf" - 18:02-18:03, the speaker says ' the light blue is continental shelf, and we need to see what's out there', prior to that, he'd said: here's the science, showing the water level was lower (ie: what is now continental shelf was land.) Umm, that's pretty much true (or are you claiming that's false?). Doggerland connected UK to Europe (and species' flow DNA, corroborates, AFAIK), there was the city found off Egypt that was underwater, etc, etc, etc. So, please show where he's claiming civilizations *beyond* the continental shelf? He's saying, stuff that's currently underwater would've been the coast (and current human civilizations love the coast). Yes, he needed some cites, as he's drawing a very big picture. His hypothesis might be wrong as he's implying ancient human astronauts beaming down solar power to move stuff (maybe it was aliens, or flying spaghetti monsters) - and possibly a war (which might be referenced by the Mahābhārata), but all he's saying is: Can we science some things, and look for evidence which will prove or disprove some ages of existing rock megaliths, and examine places that would've been key places to put civilizations in the deep past? I'd be interested to know how fast the edge of the continental shelf degrades, as stuff that was on the edge might've fallen off into the deeps over the last 13K years.
If this is confusing for you you should not be the curator... One good example is Doggerland and what they have been trawling up around the coast-lands around the world..
One of the best talks on ted since.... To bad i cant remember.
Gosh, all these questions. Maybe talk to archaeologists, geologists, and historians who already study this. Posing a question as an unknown to you doesn't mean the answer is unknown. And props to Jim Poland for STK, he's great.
I believe that history should have been and still should be pursued from these discoveries as a focal point. I can visualize the multitude of benefits.
Douglas Vogt, Chan Thomas, Michael Cremo, Ben Davidson, Wallace Thornhill, Randall Carlson and, of course, Graham Hancock. The way forward.
And Brian Forrester too
if theyre the way forward we're not going to be moving forward for long
@@butts4653 Examining and explaining inconvenient details of our past is a way of moving forward.
@@fightapathy416 i just mean if you listen to what some of those guys are saying, human civilization is about to take a huge leap backwards very soon.
Wankers. Every last one. Not science, just sensationalism.
TED: this guy is right on all his points. This was an amazing talk. The standard story doesn't fit the evidence. I can say that as a classically trained scientist in both anthropology/archeology and engineering.
Be nice to see that evidence.
Tools were used a couple million years ago.
Humanity and hominids have a much longer history than most believe.
@@Hexnilium When you say tools, though, you are referring to crude stone tools. We’ve known for a while, and no one refutes, that early hominins used tools. Tools are 2+ million yo, fire 1 million, boats at least 750kya. Early hominins were smart. But we already know this and the established theories all take that into account already.
I taught science for 38 years. I agree with you. Sciences requires questioning in order to arrive at explaining and understanding what exists(= truth)
It’s a rare day indeed that at scientist would even say that in public
Well done you
Just finished watching this very interesting talk, and then reading many of the comments. Now on to the next recommended video...
...Oh look! It's a list of TEDx talk videos -- ALL THE WAY DOWN!
This was cool, I enjoy that he didn’t try to force a narrative.
This is one ☝️ of the best Ted Talks ever!!! Why would +TEDx Talks flag this?
A interesting TED talk for once.
IMO- this talk was very intriguing, and informative and inspiring. It’s good when the audience is left with more question that feed curiosity. By doing so creates more minds to discover the things that may fall within the guidelines of your program.
Realized how important expressing your ideas are than the idea itself !!
NOTE TO TED: This talk has an idea worth spreading.
@joe blow Actually Joe I don't just read, I travel. While you were reading Wikipedia on your couch, I went to Machu Picchu, and many other ancient sites in Peru, under the guidance of Brien Foerster, an actual expert on ancient structures. It was not built 1400 years ago, regardless of what you have painstakingly read.
No, it does not. All you have to do, is shift his "magic orbit" by a few degrees of longitude, and his entire theory dissolves. Do you not recognise that? Load up and orbital calculator and confirm it for yourself, by all means.
@@craigsimpson9561 Maybe in those 10 Thousands of Years the Kontinents has slightly moved so that 13k Years ago it would maybe perfectly align ?
@@Chloe_Priceless that's pretty much already scientifically been proven to have happened, if I can find this comment again I'll link info to back up my statement🙂
Most of what he has said has been debunked already for years, his idea is counterproductive by the fact that they are ideas that have been spread by people selling books, very good writers in deed, but they are selling their ideas without solid evidence all though they are pretending that they have proof, some things he says is true but it is mixed up with a lot of things that are inaccurate. It’s called pseudoscience and even though a lot of people doing these conferences have good intentions and think that what they believe is true, most of them are scammers and are just doing so to sell their next « great book revealing the truth » or any punchlines of that sort does the trick. Please don’t believe me, look it up yourself.
I, for one, welcome our 3DOverlords :) Stellar work, man! Hope this lays the basis for some groundbreaking research in the future.
Truly remarkable that this makes it onto TED. It marks an end to an era. Time to open your mind!
THE BEST EVER TED TALK. Highly compelling
Finally some decent content, thanks Ted
this guy should be a guest on Joe Rogan
Yesssss
Dunno that's a compliment.
Absolutely LOVED this talk! Yes, we need to acknowledge and start investigating the evidence for ancient civilizations that apparently had very advanced technologies. History needs rewritten. What are they so scared of?
losing P O W E R
@@lauraevelynpaxton DANG. That right there.
Historians don't have power, really. They just have salaries and mortgages like everyone else. They need the dough. Thus they have to keep their jobs. That is it.
I too noticed the way land masses (such as Ireland and UK mainland) looked like they could fit together, when I was a kid in primary school in the 60s. I told no one, as I assumed it would be impossible.
Are you familiar with Doggerland? If not, you should look that up. The world has had periodic ice ages followed by melting that caused flooding over much of the world. That is science fact. There have also been local floods for various reasons throughout history. The problem is that archaeologists negate the possibility of previous civilizations prior to floods which washed away most evidence of those civilizations. History has to be linear even if that means that they have to coverup evidence to the contrary.
Ireland does not 'fit' into Great Britain, they were never any closer than they are now. These is no fault or spreading zone between them, and there never has been. I mean what on earth are you talking about?
@@TransoceanicOutreach There was a time, the Ice Age, when dry land connected Ireland and the UK. If you call being covered with 3 mile deep ice “dry”.
Lol ever heard of Pangea?
watched the vid, good support for the
YDIH evidence around us. i like his statement referencing carl sagan;
'extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence'. He adds that
'extraordinary evidence deserves extraordinary investigation.' I'm
surprised this video hasn't been removed.
I think I better download this -- too much interesting stuff disappears. Thanks for the warning.
Ted, Thank you for protecting me from exposure to dangerous ideas.
Ya, dangerous ideas are like climbing Mt Everest. Some die, therefore should never be done. :)
What an interesting Ted Talk! It did not hit me as being too far out. We all know about these recent archeological discoveries that we really can't explain and we usually ignore. There really is a mystery in our deep past that needs to be explored. How exciting!
he asked too many powerful questions. bravo
Thinking outside the box is always good, once you know what's inside the box.
Walt F. Beautifully stated -simple and fully factual- I’m sure a term exists that covers exquisite statements such as this but I have yet to know of it- to me this statement is both the open and close of the subject that requires no proof or clarification- I may be a kook but I’m a kook who enjoys giant statements that come in simple little word groups that simple observers gloss over without notice
Yeah, inside the box are processed substances. I don't like boloney!
If you don’t think outside of the box you stay inside it
@@joeharris3810 Yes, some people think its safer to stay inside the box, and at times it might be. It doesn't mean it it is better to do so.
The most interest TED talk I have ever seen!
Fantastic ideas, he’s %1000 correct !
Now THIS is real science done right!