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@@CUSELİSFANand I have a lot of work to do with my work and I will be able 😜😜😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 😮J
I agree with this gentleman. While it's natural to be attracted to others, we also have the ability to choose not to cheat. This is why both men and women need to hold themselves accountable. We have a choice.
@@saraw6710Tks Sara I love your comment. I am celibate for years and it's getting easier and I don't do it deliberately, takes a lot of self control a strong moral believe. I haven't met anyone that I felt a connection and I avoid dark places. Lol
What a nice toxically positive statement. Just that it goes completely out the window when a woman decides to mess you up through false accusations, biased divorce and alimony laws. I admire your optimism though.
This a beautiful example on how you can have an intelligent conversation without agreeing on the subject while also being respectful to both parties involved.
Part of the reason why it's so civilised, might also be that Steven isn't necessarily disagreeing with his guest personally. Just for the sake of the podcast, he is playing the devil's advocate every now and then.
As a woman, after my 2nd failed marriage, I accepted that it’s not in the cards for me to have a happy successful marriage and that marriage for me is not worth the cost/benefit ratio.I’ve been single for the last 7 yrs and able to finally focus on things that matter to me.
I hear you, sister. Happily enjoying my sons and grandchildren without any care about their narcissistic father. I travel and learn foreign languages and I engage in politics and taking care of my health and wellbeing.
Yes ladies, unfortunately men benefit more from marriage. I hate to sound so utterly pessimistic but in my case this is true. Sometimes I wish I had a companion but then I remember all the many sacrifices I would have to make of my time and my personal space. I snap back into reality real quick! lol
More women should spread awareness against getting married! Clearly, it is a patriarchal ploy to control and enslave women! And this is an unnatural and abnormal concept to begin with!
“Truth exists independently wether it supports your ideology or not” - this is something we have to keep reminding ourselves and each other about because there is a war on truth and science.
there is this saying in Poland: "Truth is like an a55hole -- everyone has one". Example: there are medical doctors, scientists, dieteticians who claim eating eggs is good for you. And there are medical doctors, scientists and dieteticians who claim it is bad for you. Both camps have a plenty of sciences behind their backs. Plenty of research papers. Like tons. And this is easy topic like, you know, eating freaking eggs. You really think it won't be possible to find a scientist (Dr Robert Sapolsky from Stanford University comes to mind) who is also an evolutionary psychologist and will have exactly opposite opinions? Starting with being Marxist (Dr. Sapolsky is marxist). So... for every scientist stating A is true I can find you a scientist claiinng A is false. And that's the only thing that is true in science. Because, as you noticed, science is part of the ideological wars. Scientist are humans, not only with their own opinions and values that can be opposite from those of their peers, but also, as humans, they can be bought. Research can be bought. Like easily. If you make science your god you are always complacent too, you are hugely manipulated. Money talks. Democratic think tanks pay to scientists well. Republican think tanks pay to scientists well. Corporations pay scientists so well they were able to scientifically state for decades smoking cigarettes is safe. You are not trusting science. You are trusting people with opinions who are very well paid for. By whom is always the most important question. Who pays this guy? A think tank? A podcast producer with certain demographic interested in hearing certain "truths"? Where does his money come from? Dr Gad Saad here is net worh $54 milion!!! 54 milion dollars. Who pays him that is the only question you need to know to understand HIS science. The whole system is corrupt to the core and we need a revolution!
Populism and polarisation on the rise in like every western country... and we know the nondemocratic nations try their best to archieve just that. How is the media not picking up on that... SPECIALLY in the US I mean oh god I'm happy to live in Berlin
HAHA. I fit so much of this description, I am a 5'10", 37 year old woman, starting my PhD. I do not make education nor height a limiter in my dating pool.... but so many men I have met do not seem to like that I am taller, more educated, or make more money. I'm totally happy with a short king that has drive, is honest, loyal, communicates, and open to growth.
ABSOLUTELY. The most dangerous in my life, the one who sabotaged me in numerous ways. And, he was always depressed, secretive, lived a separate, secret life. Excellent ACTOR. 💔
The vast majority of husbands are not like that. The whole reason for forming a female-male bond is so that the male can protect and provide and the women nurture and multiply. So framing it like that makes you believe that most husbands are bad for wives, and that is factually untrue. Was it not for men protecting and providing for women, then human-kind would have gone extinct, hundreds of thousands of years ago.
I am going through a divorce with one and he shared all those behaviors. It is sickening what they are capable doing to the person/people they "love". On the bright side, my son said I look younger today, so it is clear I am getting healthier away from him!
Agreed. Though he missed an opportunity when he failed to ask the professor to define Communist/Socialist/Marxist and how that applies to Kamala Harris and then allowed more biased discourse before attempting to apply a little brake pedal.
Ignác Semmelweis, Hungarian 🇭🇺 medical doctor, "The saviour of mothers", has a university named about him! en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis
😭🥹❤ thank you for sharing this. I pray for this very thing for my children everyday. May they use the loving discernment and wisdom they were forced to learn “too early” as they become adults. It seems the further their father is from them, the better they do in life.
@@didntchaknow as long as you've reinforced in them to believe in themselves and to respect others, they'll do fine, but if their father is as you say he is, he will haunt and hound you guys, you have to be prepared by having a solid career, legal papers, a good lawyer and police that you are friends with. He will want all of you to doubt you can live independent of him.
Omg thank you for sharing this!! This makes me proud. As a mother to a teenager, I’ve tried to reinforce mental strength in him when it comes to his dad’s wants and desires for him. I always let my child choose his life path unlike his dad. I think he has learned a lot from my guidance. Hoping it sticks with him. 🙏🏽
I resisted podcasts for a long time. This podcast and only a couple others can keep my interest. He's a fabulous interviewer! The long I've watched Steven the more I recognize how create his team is and we'll he is at listening and being present.
As a survivor of domestic violence at the hands of my ex-husband, I thank you PROFOUNDLY for this! Dear Dr. Saad, THANK YOU for your work and your effort and attention to this subject. I cannot even express this in this comment. I will be using this wisdom in my decision making going forward. Please never stop. Bless you. - Karinna
Good morning how are you? I just want to Ask a question? Your husband just woke up , triggered by a saying or a behavior and beat you for no reason ? I really understand how someone hurt the person he loves ?
@@Nissa_Kr Hello i'm not in that situation i really want to understand how, why , what kind of abuse a women Can be suffered by his husband and why a man does that for a women hé prétends to be in love. If you don't mind what kind of abuse do you suffer?
@@patricedenis42because for infantile person its easy to relief all their pain and unsatisfaction in life at someone who's weaker or dependent. And you can always find a reason to justify your bad actions. I deeply understand it cause we always tend to be abusers when we are in a position of power. You have to put efforts to not be unfair to someone you have power over.
I am so happy I made productive decisions about my finances that changed forever. I'm a single mother living in Vancouver Canada, bought my first house in October and hoping to retire soon if things keep going smoothly for me
Everyone needs more than their salary to be financial stable. The best thing to do with your money is to invest it rightly, because money left for saving always end up used with no returns.
Absolutely brilliant conversation, loved it. No fear in being cancelled, no glorifying of toxic behaviour. well balanced and interesting. Steve doesnt pretend to know ot all and asks the questions we would too. Big plus, he lets each guest speak!!!
This conversation should be mandatory in all schools to be heard and discussed. Thank you Steven for inviting the professor and sharing this video with everyone!
I actually learned most of this in my human sexuality and anthropology classes in college. But yeah you're right, it should be incorporated more into public school education.
“Imagine the level of pathological narcissism that you must experience where you say: the need for me to reaffirm my identity supersedes the rights of women” 2:24:18 ‘nuff said 😤💯
13:06 THANK YOU. I went into my work with prisoners for many reasons, one of them being my own experience with severe abuse. I was quite literally enslaved by an older man at 14, and because I’ll never be able to ask my abuser “why?”, I went into prisoner work. I’ve come out the other side understanding human behavior better than I ever have, and I’ve been able to let go of 90% of my anger that’s been holding me back. Wanting to study bad things doesn’t mean you are in favor or support bad things. I get accused of trauma bonding with offenders just because I see them as human beings (because they are). I have matured so much because of my experiences. I even joke about “all my friends are murderers” because I’ve met some wonderful people on the inside. What people don’t realize is these horrible things that happen in society ALL come from everyday humans. A true monster is EXTREMELY rare. There’s only ONE person I had to refuse to work with, but otherwise, I was treated with the utmost respect by those on the inside (including their families). And on that note, they ALL have families, jobs, dreams, regrets, betrayals-just like you. They’re ALL just like you and I, and we’re ALL capable of hurting others. Until we can end the cycle of abuse, the pain will continue, and it is my firm belief that the only way forward for us ALL is through compassion. No one is immune to the human condition. No one.
I can see your point but relationships in any regard, offer the greatest opportunity for growth of our own character, whether the relationship is good or bad.
Truly amazed at Steven’s charismatic way of making it clear that he absolutely was interested in his guests views but does not necessarily agree with his entire philosophy. Well done Steven
I third this comment. It’s very clear that while the guest was able to make distinctions and examples that made sense in the evolution of human behaviors he identifies with Trump to such a degree that all the science in the world that he has given so much of his time to didn’t matter.
yeah there were some aspects of the convo I felt the professor was over-speaking, esp the topic around 2 hours 14 mins. Humility of ancillary subjects is important. Sociology is a separate science that needs to be taken seriously, however it's more related to the Economic Sciences than Evolutionary.
I agree though I think Steven could have pushed harder. I think he missed a good opportunity by not asking the professor to define Communist/Socialist/Marxist (which is what he equated Kamala Harris to). Where do people get the idea that Socialist = Communist? They are not the same and there are many European countries with Socialist govts. that have a much higher standard of living than we have here in the U.S. and certainly most other places in the world.
@@watchtheduck1yeah I lost all respect I had for Gad. I can’t wrap my head around the fact that “smart” people can be so fucking stupid. And even falling for the brain dead “cackling Kamala” term.
@@watchtheduck1many socialist governments are based on communist principles and follow Marxist ideas as well as totalitarian ideas with limited free market (instead they allow government approved corporations) and limited freedom of speech. A number of governments in South America, Africa and even Europe are examples of this. The European model of socialism that some Americans love to push is the Scandinavian model, fully embraces the free market economy, capitalism, individual liberty and self sovereignty within a democratic government set against the backdrop of a monarchial tradition. We should not want to emulate the destruction of the marxist socialist state.
We definitely don't have any communist party's and governments in Europe. We have free health care and relatively cheap education and some welfare programmes. But no one wants to a communist state. We are for free markets and democracy.
Love this episode. What makes Steven's podcast so intriguing is that Steven often comes from the perspective of a "student". He invites so-called experts in their perspective field, and he just fires one questions after another. It's Steven's natural "curiosity" that makes his "conversations" so engaging. This feels different when you listen to an expert interviews (or have a conversation) with another expert. I love the "evolutionary" psychology take on why we behave the way we behave/think. Just one observation. Since the last born baby has higher chance to explore ideas, I wonder what the effect is when most parents only have 1 child these days.
The first 10 minutes of the podcast, clearly mentions this conversation is based on evolutionary reasoning and yet the amount of people in these comments feeling triggered is amazing
Thank you!! You have restored my faith in humanity. This comment section is insane. I can’t believe the stupidity of people 🤯 it’s actually really depressing!
Even I ‘unhesitantly’ say this is one of the most intellectually stimulating and open minded conversations I’ve heard in DOAC. I stuck through the entire 3 hrs because I know this is important. Thank you Steve. 🙏🏻
@@rissaroybal I was amazed at how much I both agreed and disagreed with him. However, he lost my respect at the end of the interview with his despicable language regarding Kamala Harris (not because I think she is beyond reproach but because she is very obviously not a “moron” and his calling her that only reflects poorly on his ability to have a coherent dispute) and his lack of understanding of his own personal biases.
@@sherylkalatharaHowever, for you to be completely honest and not hypocritical, you must acknowledge that the interviewer was challenging him in a very biased and with a critical assumption for an extended period of time. I'm not surprised that the guest raised the anti so to speak to put him in his place.
@@chrismilligan3511 Quite the contrary, the interviewer remained calm and deliberate. His questions were excellent and delivered with empathy; hence why his demeanor and language didn’t change while the other man’s language and delivery became increasingly coarse and his temperament fiery. Perhaps because his biases match yours, you have a perception of hostility. Mine was shown in this segment.
1:22:45 'Kindness and intelligence are universal traits equally desired by both men and women." - yet, there's so little of either to be found in today's world...
DESIRE is the key word. Many people desire but they themselves are not kind. Hypocrisy is a very human trait. Can dish out but can't take it. Can desire but can't give it. Sadly it becomes a sadistic cycle.
I’m not sure why the UA-cam algorithm put this video in my suggested, as I’ve never heard of you or watched a single clip. Then when I saw it was basically 3 hours long I ALMOST passed on watching, but something told me to watch. Boy, am I THRILLED I did! What a fascinating man, and an equally fascinating discussion! Bravo to both of you!
This explains alot! 😂 My ex was Kenyan. One time on new years eve, we ran out of 🍾 about 10 minutes shy of midnight. He ran about a mile to the nearest grocery store, bought more 🍾, & ran back home before the ball dropped at midnight. 🤣🤣🤣
54:40-54:50🎯 is the reason many men try so hard to “humble women” and/or sabotage them when they’re elevating in life. Insecure people believe that if their partner levels up, they themselves will no longer measure up. “I have to keep her beneath me in order to keep her.”
My husband does that ten million fold...my life is trying to find glimpses of who I was...and I'm trapped financially and I listened and humbled myself so he could take over everything including my finances as I lost my confidence in my calling...my work...trying to climb back up but feel it might be too late...
Yes that’s what my husband said and that’s what his father showed him! As my husband told me, end in the end it will happen what I want, I was out! My love for him died! Something I didn’t want but it happens after I saw the truth!
We should’ve had the Last question first and it would’ve saved many a lot of time. The guest didn’t answer the question just started talking about honey badgers….typical right wing obfuscation when they don’t have data or evidence. Quite possibly Stephen’s worst guest in a recent line of Wingnuts. I’m Rapidly losing interest in the podcast, which is sad.
Well, what you are experiencing is cognitive dissonance, basically, science vs your left wing ideology. Clean your brain from this fashistic feces and watch again. Maybe you can learn sth. @@RandomUser25122
Yeah, I liked Steven’s ability to push back, and I really wish intersex would’ve been brought up in terms of biological markers, because being intersex sort of dismantles the idea that there is either biological females or males - when there is in fact those who are in between the two.
I love how he is confident enough to ask questions until the slowest person in the room gets it. When he clearly doesn’t know the answer. Yet is so likable, you can’t judge him or see him in a negative light. Rare and brilliant combination for hosting a show with a large audience. You just can’t help but love him.
Untill after 2h45m.. Oh man I love this episode so much untill he starts strongly endorsing Trump for "speaking out" yeah bro that was like 7 years ago cool, now he's just a polarising populistic real danger to Democracy but here Dr. Saad is saying he would vote 10x for Trump, bruh That man is a proven criminal, saying that the law is fake/acting not independent and a real friend of Putin. Proving he has low political education. I will just stop there and remember the actual good content untill then. But man that ruined the aftertaste....
He’s had guests on before who have answered the same questions before, he knows the answer. He just wants everyone to be on the same page. I also know non-native English speakers listen to the podcast so I’m guessing him asking what certain words are helps them out
I knew immediately that the answer was a step parent. For many years Dr. Laura begged, begged biological divorced parents not to remarry until their kids grew up.
My instinct as a separated Mum is to absolutely, under no circumstances bring another Man into my home because of the boys. I do not understand women who are brave enough to do it. I cannot afford to risk it, three boys would be annihilated by a step dad.
@@Footplanet34 That’s not a guarantee; there’s plenty of great step parents out there who are even better than children’s biological parents. It’s about vetting them patiently before letting them into your own and your children’s personal lives.
@Footplanet34 that is ridiculous. There are fabulous step parents around, and it comes down to how you form the relationship with them too. Kids need parental guidance and role modeling from both sexes, and it doesn't hurt for kids to learn their not the world's most important person.
@@Footplanet34I’m 40 yrs old and the best thing my mom ever did for me was give me my stepdad. We butted head when I was a teenager but it would happen if it was my bio dad because of…..puberty. I was a widow with a 6yr old son, remarried. He is 12 now and if I died tomorrow I can go in peace because this man loves him and that is the best feeling in the world.
Started off well, with objectivity, data and scientific statistics and devolved into subjective opinion towards the end. I enjoyed it even if I find some of his views questionable or antiquated.
Those were my thoughts exactly. I loved hearing him talk about science, but the longer the podcast went, the more I started to pick apart his biases. It is clear that he does not like Muslims, which is understandable given his background. He thinks he is being "neutral" but what he thinks about them slips through the cracks. I found myself disagreeing more and more with him the more he spoke, and it's not that his opinions do not have scientific bases, but that there is a clear bias on what he is choosing to present, and the ideas that he is choosing to follow. Additionally, he seems to be pro-patriarchy, which is neither here nor there, but I would also like to hear the opinion of a woman in his field, because it seems like what he's saying is "things have been like this forever, so we should not go against that", however, that does not address the fact that women have always experienced a disadvantage under such a system, and just like capitalism and certain religions: everything in theory is great, but not so much in practice. Again, because we devolve into human bias. An additional observation I have is that this guy certainly thinks the rest of the population is as smart as he is, when he needs to understand that his IQ is way above the average, and holding people to his own standards of understanding, empathy, respect, intellectual capability, etc.; is very naive and frankly dangerous, especially when talking about freedom of speech and its consequences, which was definitely addressed, but not resolved, in the podcast.
You have a point with what you said about freedom of speech and the danger it poses if not regulated as we have to bear in mind that most of the population isn't highly intelligent to have nuanced or contextual discussions and most of the population doesn't have the high level of understanding and empathy to allow unregulated freedom of speech
OMG! Thank goodness I listened to my insticts and never remarried or brought a new partner into our family home. Dr. Gad has just validated that decision I made long ago.
@@BrandonMlotshwawas about to say that...I realised that for myself sometime ago that everytime I did something based on validation, I went back to start zero...it's like we forgot invention...you can have your own invention of decisions and choices..
Just one of many good bits: "Science is the highest form of play". This was expressed in such a humble way, replied to, then quickly considered in an even more humble way. Thank you both for this excellent conversation.
So grateful for your show! Your 7miion are so deserved. You respect your guests, you let them speak, you don’t constantly interject like so many podcasts. You are curious and you e maintained your focus on knowledge and expanding ours w amazing guests and you haven’t diluted w celebrities and the distractions of fame. THANK YOU SO MUCH! ❤❤❤ you’re a gem online.
Thr feedback at the end is so deserved, Steve does such a great job at having a good open conversation with evry guest (except Boris, but it only shows how remarkably good the dialog all the rest of the time is)
We can see what happens with couples when they get older; often the woman being overworked, overwhelmed, working outside of the home and taking on child bearing, child rearing, cooking, cleaning, washing, housework, shopping and the mental load start hitting the wall. And as a result she begins to resemble his mother rather than his mate. This is when his desire for her starts to wane and then pending infidelity and divorce. I also advise women to not overwork themselves when they can hire help. Also don't marry a man than cannot afford to hire help and only wants Her to take on all of the household load.
This is the exact reason I divorced early. It wasn't a soft place for me and I didn't want to be haggard at 40. I knew if I took care of myself I could live the life I wanted. ❤
Also advise men to step up and participate in the housework, the shopping, the cooking, etc.. Many can’t afford to hire someone, and, some that can afford it, don’t want to spend money on something they can do themselves. It’s so interesting that the onus is always on the woman and the man skates.
It’s also deeply unattractive for a woman to have a parasitic man-Child to have to support, without reciprocation. I don’t fancy over grown boys either, so the disaffection is mutual.
Hands down one of the most erudite, scientific and eloquent podcasts about the most critical topics of our times. Loved Dr Gad's untempered and undiluted reasoning and the fluidity with which he backs his statements. The podcast was well done and transitioned smoothly between topics. The last 1 hour was powerful! 😊
My HS bf and I were engineering majors. I went on finish and work and industry and he kept failing classes due to him constantly playing video games. I broke it off once I realized we grew apart and I didn’t want to be with a man child. After we broke up he stalked me for 3 months and assaulted me at gunpoint. He nearly killed me. The most dangerous time for a woman is when she leaves or while she’s pregnant. Very sad.
Exactly! Infidelity suspicion is not the main cause according to the data here in Brazil at least. Most deaths happen because the guy doesn’t accept being left, even when he’s a cheater himself.
Great conversation! Even if you disagree with some parts, the professor is superrrr smart and articulates his thoughts well and Steve did a great job pushing back and playing devils advocate! I watched the entire 3 hours and could’ve watched more. Thanks mate!
The fact that I knew instantly the answers to raised questions proves to me how much attention I pay to these podcasts. Thanks for these meaningful conversations!
My feelings about this podcast have journeyed from being triggered to finding my way back to equilibrium. It’s a discussion so provocative that it’s like a rollercoaster ride for the mind! Thank you yet again Steven
Me and my husband, 38 and 39 years old . Married for 20 years, together for 22. Both last born. Only one’s in both our families to leave our home town. Both married first out of our siblings. Waited longest ( 12 years ) before having our own children. Usual peaks and troughs of life but very happily married and constantly work to grow together and learn new things …..lots from your fabulous pod cast ❤ Hope this information can help with your research. Keep up the good work Stephen ……as long as you enjoy it!! your service is very much appreciated!!
Am like others surprised that I watched the whole interview. It did not feel like 3 hours. Thank you Steven and team. After listening to your interviews, I have been more motivated to live healthy. Your Podcast has literally had health benefits to my life. You and your team are making a difference in this world 😀
I can't remember when was the last time I watched an entire interview from the very beggining to the end in a single watch. Absolutely top tier content. Love your work man, amazing guest, it was a pleasure to see!
I am scientist working with indigenous people in South America, there are cases of polyandry, that is one woman married to several men. This is in traditional hunter- gatherer societies, where having more than one husband is super practical, as your family simply has more food if more than one man is out to hunt for you. Both polygamy types are parallel present in such cases. In these societies, jealousy is an unvalued feature of male behaviour, as well as male biological paternity is far less relevant, a man raises kids even together with other men, it is irrelevant in such families who the biological dad is. These societies are more rare but they do exist even today. In the case I know more about, the husbands did not have to be brothers. The fact that hunter-gatherer societies are more like to show this pattern, also speaks to evolutionary relevance, since all human societies have been hunter-gatherer tribes at some point in time.
Glad you brought it up. I am from a continent where polyandry was also acceptable in some sub-cultures, yet this guest speaks as if he has scoured the world and came to an absolute conclusion that spans the entire globe and human species.
Major respect to this guest for being unapologetically true to himself, his genuine beliefs, and also scientific truths. That’s becoming more and more rare.
His genuine beliefs are hateful and Nazi-like. He’s the kind of person his family fled from. He’s been on the receiving end yet still can’t help but literally fawn over the fascist trying to destroy America
That and when he calls Harris a Communist while all the way through the conversation he's a stickler for precise terminology. Disagree with her policy all you want but calling her a Communist is objectively ridiculous.
36:40 I love that Steven does not hesitate a second to ask for the definition of "cadaver". A highly success and knowledgable person that has no problem with being perceived as "uneducated" for not knowing a word. He is just comfortable in the discussion being curious and asking things. He really wants to understand the topic. Much appreaciation for that man!
I loved it! Well done for inviting him! I might not agree with every single thing he said or thought, but it was a very compelling and though provoking listening experience.👋
I also think what he meant to say about being a tall educated woman was that our looks and intellect alone weeded out 85% of the dating opportunities of which men were uneducated themselves, week minded, intimidated, low self esteem. Which means we dodged the ones which could have been domineering and controlling. The abusive types.
Thank you. I’m 5’10” with a Masters degree and over 40. I took all he said with a grain of salt. Huge generalization. Plus now that I know his political views, I’m wishing I hadn’t watched any of this interview.
@@deborahday1786 I’m not offended by his views. He just puts to much of an emphasis on sex being the end all the bees all. lol. And that’s what a lot of men do. Where women, not just tall ones want a quality and diverse of interest in a relationship as well as protection and good genes. Educated and intelligent is good genes. Being capable of thinking beyond the tip of their penis. We dodged the animalistic controlled ones.
@@Saavys yes 19 years. I had 2 years of singleness in my 20s by choice because my high school sweetheart past away. I always was asked out. I have gotten asked out throughout my marriage many times as well, if people don’t know me and my husband. I’ll add that I’m 46 and it still happens.
He is definitely saying it’s the woman’s choice. I’ve found that to be correct. We eliminate those who don’t meet our standards… and if we have gotten to a place in life where there are very few men who exceed our status, it definitely narrows the field. Women have a very hard time dating down while men have almost no preference in a woman’s status (intellect/socioeconomic)
Apparently “toxic masculinity” is just the “primal urge for paternity certainty”… the funny thing is that the statistics of father abandonment do not reflect this desperate desire to raise their child… Oh! Today we have DNA tests! Time to evolve! 😂😂
That was one of the things I disagree with him on. For someone who kept talking about modulation, he sure talked about masculinity like it's black and white. It's a matter of degrees. Nobody ever said a fireman going into a burning building to save someone is toxic. The guys in the video who kept approaching the lady walking down the street alone, in his words, they're "@$$holes." I think the difference is pretty obvious to.
Some people are misunderstanding the husband statistics. While true that around 55% of all female homicide victims (in the US) are killed by an intimate partner (not necessarily husband), this makes it sound like a huge percentage of men are inherently dangerous to their partners. It ignores the fact that the VAST majority of women will not be homicide victims to begin at ~0.002%. Compared that to 20% who die of heart disease. So I would say the deli vendor is more dangerous to women than their husbands.
@@barrettfrancis1278 That's a huuuuge amount. The women who go into relationships are naive especially with so much information today. Especially if living together. You should never go into a sleeping lion's den unarmed
Steven. You never cease to amaze me with your interviews. Amazing work. I found the whole discussion fascinating. Although I didn’t agree with some of the things mentioned, your technique allowed me to understand how he arrived at his way of thinking. Really interesting man to interview.
This has to have been THE best interview/conversation you've ever done, imo. Thank you both for your respect, intelligence, thoughtfulness, and purity. Respect! 💙 from Tasmania, Australia 🇦🇺
Oh, it's so refreshing to see a conversation where you see some moments when people are disagreeing at the same time as they look with admiration to the other person!
Exactly, I am really glad that Steven not just agrees with what the guest is saying but he confronts with his own facts, massive respect for him for that
I have seen him in some male re4d p5ill podcasts. The way he speaks there is very differnt. I have found a lot of his v5iews (despite his knowledges in his field) to be very m7sogynstic. Goes to show that even experts in some fields have their underlying belief systems which goes against one particular group or another.
Dr Gad Saad, first time I am introduced to him. In this conversation he has stimulated my mind, he has challenged my thinking, in fact my mind has never been taken this far. I also think the story of Honey badger (Ratel) fearless animal, was needed. I will have this podcast on repeat 👏🏾 Thank you Steven for introducing us to these legends 👊🏾
Well, that was one hell of a wild ride, Stephen. I loved the first 2 1/2 hours, and now I just have a nagging urge to brush my teeth. I love your kindness and diplomacy though. You're always such gracious host.
As a 23-year-old male who has been in a committed relationship for two years, I can confidently say that the idea that all men are “dangerous” or “hardwired to cheat” is a massive oversimplification. While there may be some evolutionary factors that influence male behavior, sure. Human actions in relationships are shaped by a much more complex blend of biology, psychology, social norms, and personal experiences. In my case, I have no intention of ever betraying or leaving my partner. This is my third serious relationship, so I’m not just viewing things through the lens of a “honeymoon phase” - I’ve experienced heartbreak before and know what it’s like to be in different stages of love. It’s important to avoid generalisations that paint all men with the same brush, especially since many of us are fully capable of being faithful, respectful, and committed in relationships. Attributing male behavior solely to biology or isolated statistics ignores the impact of culture, personal choice, and individual circumstances. Such stereotypes can distort discussions around gender roles, relationships, and what it means to have healthy behaviors. Human behavior, after all, is far more nuanced than these generalizations suggest.
I agree, but all of this rationalization goes off a window because so many women dealt with bad men, and other men who defend bad men. Personal experience goes first and honestly it's a privilege to speak from a position when you never deal with abuse personally and heard only from other sources.
@@its_all_in_the_feeling8448 Lol, well, I'm in my 30s, and I agree. The guy in the video is a grifter. He has a Ph.D. In marketing, not evolution, and he’s selling a book… go figure. This is obviously just a self-promo tour for selling his book.
Yeah you're 23 and so idealistic, especially about yourself. Your mid life crisis is ahead of you, I genuinely hope you stay true to younger self. Good luck.
I can't believe he has that many different types of friends and still calls them friends. I would never be friends who cheat on their spouse uncontrollably.
I was surprised as well. I had a group of all-male "friends" from university (I'm female in an engineering field with few women). I liked them, they were smart, driven and outgoing. I got invited to party with them as if I was one of the boys. After witnessing how they cheated repeatedly on their girlfriends in parties, and how everyone seemed fine with it, I lost all respect and stopped hanging out with them. The last straw was one of them hitting on me drunk when he had introduced me to his girlfriend and future wife barely a few hours before.
@@belenlg5978that's standard behavior for lots of men. We've buried the ability to navigate the war of the sexes. Trying to use rules and regulations to scrub clean human behavior.
14:25 the fact that every woman knew the answer to this and a smart man like Steven had to think about it speaks volumes…. Also reflects why men were so confused at women choosing “the bear” - truly astounding how out of touch men are to women’s reality
I'm a women and I chose the man. You can reason with a man, you can't with a bear. The women who chose a bear seem out of touch to me. Masculinity is protective, toxic femininity has erased true Masculinity and we are left with weak men who use violence as a form of control
This just reminded me of something. Me and my husband just finished reading The 21 Former Doctor Secrets by Rachl Morgan. Everything starts with health!
@@FoxxyRoxxy76 Yep. He him self spoke about that level of self awareness and ability to adapt, but he was speaking to him like he was 10 at times. I found it annoying.
@@afroaffirmation I noticed that! He also tried to throw Steven off-balance whenever pushed by bringing up something that only someone with a niche interest would know enough about to even have an opinion on. He's clever, but not near as clever as he thinks he is...
Oh my goodness, these Canadian psychologists are something else. Another highly intellectual debate. Thoroughly enjoyed it. I intend to watch it again, all 3hrs.
Dr. Gad Saad has never taken care of clients in a clinical setting like Dr. Peterson has. Dr. Saad uses evolutionary psychology in his research, university teaching, and to write his books and articles. I hope this makes the distinction between Dr. Saad and the other Canadian psychologists that I assume you meant make sense.
@@proudatheist2042 still his perspective on life and human nature makes total sense especially from a biological standpoint. We're truly complex and explaining things just from one dimension is not enough. There's a lot to learn from both and others in the field. I know JP speaks against hedonism but sometimes you need the best or fast car or meaningless sex as long as it's consensual, safe and you're single. The problem is when emotionally and psychologically immature people engage in it without a care in the world and wasting their life but someone who has established themselves as responsible people in society why not occasionally have fun🤷
This started off so well and it was all downhill from there. Lets face it most scientists are bias as they want to prove a hypothesis. Interesting conversation but also scary that someome with such high credentials can come across so ignorant. I am a little bored of the amount of these podcasts talking about how awful it is that men cant get any sex and also mentioning how woman lose their value as they age. Steven did well in thia conversation especially towards the end.
These men are now learning that they're not entitled to sex with women. If they're repulsive in any way, we don't want to even sit beside them much less get intimate with them.
Same here! I had a couple things I heard near the start that had my ears perk up, and then as I went on I realized that he's quite lost on a few topics and hiding behind his pedigree and speech to quickly gloss over and mask some pretty unsubstantiated ideas (and throw in a few strawman arguments as well when Steven tried to gentle push him).
I know about that danger. I came to realize this in my 30’s but I wasn’t comfortable saying it because I knew how it would be perceived. It can be very true.
Him being so extreme in his views on American politics (especially when he himself isn't even American) towards the end of the conversation kinda soured me on what was otherwise a fairly interesting conversation
@thistles nope, you did not address my question so your comment is not helpful. I am looking for a video where she says that she is a Stalinist, Leninist, and Marxist. That is the claim. If you can't stick to the topic, I would appreciate not hearing from you.
@@mikeeinstein1 I don't know of an instance of her saying she's that combination using those words, but her background, her policy propositions, and her word choice clearly broadcast that she is. I didn't interpret his statement as a claim of something she literally said, so I wouldn't call it a lie, and it hardly discounts everything else he says. If that's your standard, you must only talk to birds. If you want to gatekeep the replies to your comment, maybe the comment section isn't the place for you.
The end of this interview had a tone that was incongruent with the body of the work. All Science out the window. He talks about an ordered society but excuses the breaking of laws by DT because he is a honey badger. Statistics is the best. Unfortunately it's collected by humans.
Because the candidates for president were not chosen by science. Given the choices, Trump is the safest option to occupy the role. To pretend that the other side is not equally or even more corrupt is foolish.
Winning at all costs isn't harmful, and ruthlessness is admirable = must be nice to be a man. Brilliant logic until you applied it to politics. Globally yes the crazy pants is scarier. Domestically the crazy pants has already doomed women's rights and other groups' rights. We don't need no stinking honey badgers😊
@@henriettahardiment-vu6yv I am sorry to hear it. It is said that the reason is unconscious to form a new family, but it still hurts. I hope you are able to forgive him and know you are worthy of much love!
Really great interview! The questions, the respect and the back and forth was perfect. I really apprecciate how Steven does not get heated no matter what the other person is saying. He is always professional and focused to get the best answers in a way I have not seen before.
Certainly. Here's a comprehensive list of statements or arguments from Dr. Saad that appear flawed, biased, or overly simplistic: 1. Marathon runners and World Cup example: His use of Kenyan marathon runners and World Cup winners as analogies for societal inequality is deeply flawed, creating a false equivalence between natural athletic advantages and complex societal issues. 2. Immigration stance: His views on immigration are extreme and lack nuance, failing to acknowledge the complexity of immigration issues and potential benefits to societies. 3. Gender identity issues: His dismissal of transgender rights and identity is reductive and doesn't align with current scientific understanding of gender identity. 4. Political correctness: While critiquing excessive political correctness has merit, he seems to dismiss all attempts at increasing sensitivity as detrimental, which is an oversimplification. 5. Donald Trump support: His defense of Trump overlooks many legitimate criticisms and seems to prioritize an aggressive leadership style over other important leadership qualities. 6. Evolutionary explanations: He sometimes applies evolutionary explanations too broadly, potentially overlooking other important factors in human behavior. 7. "Suicidal empathy": This concept oversimplifies complex social issues and policies, potentially dismissing genuine attempts to address societal problems. 8. Free speech absolutism: While free speech is crucial, his absolutist stance doesn't fully engage with the complexities of harmful speech in society. 9. Portrayal of academia: His characterization of academia as uniformly adhering to certain ideologies is an overgeneralization. 10. Use of provocative language: Terms like "avocado brain" for Kamala Harris are ad hominem attacks that don't contribute to substantive debate. 11. Oversimplification of complex social issues: Many of his arguments reduce multifaceted social problems to simple evolutionary or ideological explanations, potentially missing important nuances. 12. Bias against certain political ideologies: His strong stance against what he perceives as left-leaning ideologies sometimes appears to prevent a balanced consideration of different viewpoints. 13. Characterization of Kamala Harris: His extreme criticism of Harris seems based more on personal dislike than substantive policy disagreements. 14. Approach to equality: His arguments against equality of outcome sometimes conflate it with genuine efforts to address systemic inequalities. 15. Use of personal anecdotes: While personal experiences are valuable, he sometimes uses them to make broad generalizations about complex issues. This list highlights the importance of critically examining arguments, even when presented by experts in their field. It's crucial to consider multiple perspectives and seek out diverse sources of information when forming opinions on complex societal issues.
Steven you are a true Virgo! I love that you are a critical thinker and asks great questions! You remained objective and knew when to move on when he had a hard time answering your straight forward questions about Trump. Well done!!!
Hence don't approach guys, go about your business. I say this 10mins after I was approached by a gorgeous girl on the bus, that I wanted to approach as soon as she came to the bustop before we boarded. She asked if I believed in God 😂, I was so disappointed thinking she was my future wife....whcih she could've been. Mind you business guys
I didn’t like that this guest’s reaction saying it was night + the men were probably drinking. He should watch the one of the NYC woman walking to work in the morning. It was actually worse becuz they were aggressively serious, very rude + persistent. As a very young woman in the late 80s I was groped, grabbed, stopped, yelled at to SMILE, hit-on then called a B for saying no. Hands running up my inner thigh becuz I was walking down subway stairs, hard things pressed up against me on crowded trains, touching, groups of guys talking about which one would come over + grab my butt. It was daily + all I was doing was going to work. So those videos are enraging. Want a GF? Be funny sweet + sincere. And kinda cute in ur own way. That’s The Key.
I'd like to compliment you, Steven, on your amazing professionalism. I appreciate that you ask questions which challenge and inspire your guests to provide in depth responses. I first learned of Dr. Saad and his work about 5 years ago. His eagerness to inform the audience with facts, his insistence on honesty and integrity in his presentation, and his ability to weave complex ideas together with the common tongue is remarkable. I wanted to comment on Self Awareness. My father told me many times as I was growing up that if I wouldn't learn when "someone done had their fill" of me and it was time to dial it down, then I'd eventually be "Oh. That Chrystal" to everyone that I knew. It took years and some mandated weekly CBT classes to recognize my off putting and negative traits and I'm by no means perfect at curbing my "ME" when I should. However, learning to be self aware has helped give me the confidence to do the work necessary to be a better person today than I was yesterday. Introverted introspective, my friend calls it. It. Is. Difficult. And so worth it. I hope that people do listen to this podcast from start to finish and that they have their, "I do that. OMG, I'm an asshole" moment when they hear Dr. Saad's experiences with being stopped and lectured on the street, in front of his family. Thank you, Dr. Saad, for being gracious in allowing people to "get out of pocket" (as us Gen Xrs would call it) and not muddling up your reputation by losing your temper. Dr. Saad, your work is fascinating. I hope you have many more years of research ahead of you and may you live to be 120!
I wish that Steven would interview Lundy Bangcroft or someone who is an expert on husbands who abuse their wives. Or someone who understands WHY some men evolve into “Coercive Control & domestic violence” Because it’s getting out of control in Australia & probably other parts of the world too!
"Democratic" Society as a Whole is nothing more than Coercive Control and Violence. As individuals lose agency and freedom under government oppression it produces echoes in their immediate relationships.
Out of curiosity, does Bangcroft address coercive control on same sex relationships and in women over men? Does he make a strong case of male coercive control to be a unique phenomena of its own? I might be interested in interviewing him myself.
@BjörnBallermann those are different things I'd argue, but I understand your frustration. I too saw girls cheat in my group of friends, whereas the boys behaved or at least, didn't do it openly, but that does not belong to this convo I'd say.
he was warning us all the way through. he loves his identity as a rebel. as a female in an analytical tech profession i was with him all the way to the very anecdotal, biased and unfounded personal politics at the end. oh! now i get it. poor guy. people can’t handle “the truth” 😂
@@bobthebuilderhecanbuildit with the attitude she have towards man she better steer clear of men. no discent person wants to deal with the emotional baggage of his new partner, and this is exactly what her next man will have to deal with, because she cant grow up unfortunatly
As a university professor and social scientist-protect this man!! I have been “alone” and overtly and covertly shunned in academia for 25 years. Thank you for this interview.
Dr. Saad seems to confuse toxic masculinity with confidence. These two characteristics may overlap to some extent, but you can be a confident male and not toxic. Interesting that Dr. Saad doesn't distinguish the difference. Given the use of the words alpha and beta, it's not surprising.
We ALL have the desire to stray but we don't have to substantiate that desire. Well said Dr. Saad! That is why boundaries is necessary. Feeding weaknesses and betrayal never benefits anyone and never turn out good.
At 2hr ish and after mark. One thing that needed to be said is, if someone with robust science can group demographics to something that feels hurtful or offensive, it is not the truth that is offensive…it is the weaponising of the truth is the issue. No one gets to the crux of the matter, so they explain around the issue. Also history has taught us that some experts will falsely present scientific fact at the destruction of groups of people intentionally. To think in the way Dr Gaad is explaining of accepting fact , requires an evolutionary enlightenment of mankind. His points though valid, are in abstract isolation of the society he shares it with. He needs to apply the staircase concept when explaining it to a broader society, and just say grow a pair because that statement in itself indicates ignorance.
I believe that purpose comes from the feeling that what you’re doing extends beyond the self. So a nurse, although not a creative and flexible profession, gives great purpose because what he/she does serves other people and makes their world better, if even only for an instant. That is also magical. And many jobs are open to finding greater purpose. From cashier at a supermarket to teacher, to cardiac surgeon, to a plumber. It is all about how you approach your role in society and it all has to do with the interaction of you and other people.
I love the bit about modulation and the “beautiful woman” example. It was so so important to add this for context. But let’s be clear. This does play into “me too”. That woman was being harassed while she was trying to mind her own business and get from A to B. Now if that’s a universal woman experience, and it’s bothersome, makes us feel unsafe, of course we’re going to take issue with it
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Any results on the happy marriage test. My partner and I are both first born, my sister and her husband are both second born.
@@CUSELİSFANand I have a lot of work to do with my work and I will be able 😜😜😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
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Why the are taking so quickly!!
I lost el interest!!
I agree with this gentleman. While it's natural to be attracted to others, we also have the ability to choose not to cheat. This is why both men and women need to hold themselves accountable. We have a choice.
No one wants to be in a relationship with someone who desires everyone else all the time . Men and women are simply not compatible
💯% true
Sooooooooooo true.
Agree. That is how we are different than animals. Reasoning and choice.
Self control is so important in all aspects of one's life because it requires discipline.
“People should have a moral compass and self control” - that’s what separates the good from the bad.
Should
.....or the 'human' from the 'animal'. 😉👉
@@saraw6710Tks Sara I love your comment. I am celibate for years and it's getting easier and I don't do it deliberately, takes a lot of self control a strong moral believe. I haven't met anyone that I felt a connection and I avoid dark places. Lol
Doesn't work like that if you're poor you see your family for die u will be less moral to get wealth
What a nice toxically positive statement.
Just that it goes completely out the window when a woman decides to mess you up through false accusations, biased divorce and alimony laws.
I admire your optimism though.
This a beautiful example on how you can have an intelligent conversation without agreeing on the subject while also being respectful to both parties involved.
well, it's an example...
Here both men are mature, have a purpose and are in the glare of limelight but a fair point
What a pointless comment!
@@bmclaughlin01 its a "you go, girl" comment.. lol..
Part of the reason why it's so civilised, might also be that Steven isn't necessarily disagreeing with his guest personally. Just for the sake of the podcast, he is playing the devil's advocate every now and then.
As a woman, after my 2nd failed marriage, I accepted that it’s not in the cards for me to have a happy successful marriage and that marriage for me is not worth the cost/benefit ratio.I’ve been single for the last 7 yrs and able to finally focus on things that matter to me.
Im heading exactly where you are❤
Same here. I’ve been single for twenty years and I’m happy.
I hear you, sister. Happily enjoying my sons and grandchildren without any care about their narcissistic father. I travel and learn foreign languages and I engage in politics and taking care of my health and wellbeing.
Yes ladies, unfortunately men benefit more from marriage. I hate to sound so utterly pessimistic but in my case this is true. Sometimes I wish I had a companion but then I remember all the many sacrifices I would have to make of my time and my personal space. I snap back into reality real quick! lol
More women should spread awareness against getting married!
Clearly, it is a patriarchal ploy to control and enslave women!
And this is an unnatural and abnormal concept to begin with!
This man has cracked the code on how to have a top tier podcast.
Rarely do I find myself coming back to a 3hr video several times a day 😂. Kudos!
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I didn’t even realise it was 3hrs long 😂 I was way to intrigued and interested. Great video
Same here. I always finish his videos. I have never done that on their channels, I usually fast forward or abscond completely
I think one trick is to having a handsome accent.
It's taken me 3 days. But, I will keep coming back till I finish this video.
“Truth exists independently wether it supports your ideology or not” - this is something we have to keep reminding ourselves and each other about because there is a war on truth and science.
there is this saying in Poland: "Truth is like an a55hole -- everyone has one". Example: there are medical doctors, scientists, dieteticians who claim eating eggs is good for you. And there are medical doctors, scientists and dieteticians who claim it is bad for you. Both camps have a plenty of sciences behind their backs. Plenty of research papers. Like tons. And this is easy topic like, you know, eating freaking eggs. You really think it won't be possible to find a scientist (Dr Robert Sapolsky from Stanford University comes to mind) who is also an evolutionary psychologist and will have exactly opposite opinions? Starting with being Marxist (Dr. Sapolsky is marxist). So... for every scientist stating A is true I can find you a scientist claiinng A is false. And that's the only thing that is true in science. Because, as you noticed, science is part of the ideological wars. Scientist are humans, not only with their own opinions and values that can be opposite from those of their peers, but also, as humans, they can be bought. Research can be bought. Like easily. If you make science your god you are always complacent too, you are hugely manipulated. Money talks. Democratic think tanks pay to scientists well. Republican think tanks pay to scientists well. Corporations pay scientists so well they were able to scientifically state for decades smoking cigarettes is safe. You are not trusting science. You are trusting people with opinions who are very well paid for. By whom is always the most important question. Who pays this guy? A think tank? A podcast producer with certain demographic interested in hearing certain "truths"? Where does his money come from? Dr Gad Saad here is net worh $54 milion!!! 54 milion dollars. Who pays him that is the only question you need to know to understand HIS science. The whole system is corrupt to the core and we need a revolution!
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Well said. ❤
@@paulb7207this is easily the most sensible thing that will appear in this comment section.
Populism and polarisation on the rise in like every western country... and we know the nondemocratic nations try their best to archieve just that. How is the media not picking up on that... SPECIALLY in the US I mean oh god I'm happy to live in Berlin
HAHA. I fit so much of this description, I am a 5'10", 37 year old woman, starting my PhD. I do not make education nor height a limiter in my dating pool.... but so many men I have met do not seem to like that I am taller, more educated, or make more money. I'm totally happy with a short king that has drive, is honest, loyal, communicates, and open to growth.
Just out of curiosity, what is a “short king” in your perception… 5’10” and below? 😄
You're hot.
You didn't have the same prospect when you were in your 20s. You attract weak men now who just wants mommy.
and 9 inch 🎉
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I'm 5'8 (woman)
A "short" guy is 5'6-5'8.
Domestic violence is not always because of infidelity it’s more often because he is a bully or taking out his frustration on the woman
Exactly
My father was incredibly narcissistic and controlling, the violence was a form of control over all of us.
I think your attaching your personal experience to the rest of humanity in a vehement manner.
He didn't say always.
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“A trap is only a trap if you don't know about it. If you know about it, it's a challenge.”
― China Miéville, King Rat
Love this quote - thank you for sharing. Hope you are a nice day.
Oh that it were that simple 😂
Nothing is a crisis, everything is a task - RFK Jr. (and probably someone else but I heard him say it)
@@sammmuelspaul1946 there's a Chinese proverb that has the words for "crisis" and "opportunity" always paired together
This guy in the video with white hair is a conartist
ABSOLUTELY. The most dangerous in my life, the one who sabotaged me in numerous ways. And, he was always depressed, secretive, lived a separate, secret life. Excellent ACTOR. 💔
Sounds like a covert narcissist to me.
A woman has to be extremely careful in the man she chooses for marriage.
The vast majority of husbands are not like that. The whole reason for forming a female-male bond is so that the male can protect and provide and the women nurture and multiply. So framing it like that makes you believe that most husbands are bad for wives, and that is factually untrue. Was it not for men protecting and providing for women, then human-kind would have gone extinct, hundreds of thousands of years ago.
This is what we should be teaching our daughters @Foxie770
I am going through a divorce with one and he shared all those behaviors. It is sickening what they are capable doing to the person/people they "love". On the bright side, my son said I look younger today, so it is clear I am getting healthier away from him!
i love how Stephen has the humility to ask for clarity on any potentially difficult terms in service of his audience.
👍💯 really good listener
Agreed. Though he missed an opportunity when he failed to ask the professor to define Communist/Socialist/Marxist and how that applies to Kamala Harris and then allowed more biased discourse before attempting to apply a little brake pedal.
Finally an actual scientist!👏 That woman with her tabloid "tradwife-math" with her ridiculous romantic-novel claims was a shame to this podcast! 😒
Ignác Semmelweis, Hungarian 🇭🇺 medical doctor, "The saviour of mothers", has a university named about him!
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis
I appreciate that he does that often.
"The Ones that did have the self awareness, never came up." Brilliant Steven.
An excellent example of the way stats don’t show the complete picture.
My dad tried to destroy all of us by sabotage but failed because of inner strength taught to us by my Mom
Love this
Your father was trash.
😭🥹❤ thank you for sharing this. I pray for this very thing for my children everyday. May they use the loving discernment and wisdom they were forced to learn “too early” as they become adults. It seems the further their father is from them, the better they do in life.
@@didntchaknow as long as you've reinforced in them to believe in themselves and to respect others, they'll do fine, but if their father is as you say he is, he will haunt and hound you guys, you have to be prepared by having a solid career, legal papers, a good lawyer and police that you are friends with. He will want all of you to doubt you can live independent of him.
Omg thank you for sharing this!! This makes me proud. As a mother to a teenager, I’ve tried to reinforce mental strength in him when it comes to his dad’s wants and desires for him. I always let my child choose his life path unlike his dad. I think he has learned a lot from my guidance. Hoping it sticks with him. 🙏🏽
This is one of the rare times I watch a 3hr videos without getting bored……this was a great guest you had Steven
Thanks mate
He is also a skilled orator with a great ability to explain these ideas to non-scientific people.
I resisted podcasts for a long time. This podcast and only a couple others can keep my interest. He's a fabulous interviewer! The long I've watched Steven the more I recognize how create his team is and we'll he is at listening and being present.
Totally agree on this! New professor to follow!!
Thank you for sharing this interview in spite of political references. I hope people open their minds and vote RED.
As a survivor of domestic violence at the hands of my ex-husband, I thank you PROFOUNDLY for this! Dear Dr. Saad, THANK YOU for your work and your effort and attention to this subject. I cannot even express this in this comment. I will be using this wisdom in my decision making going forward. Please never stop. Bless you. - Karinna
Me too@@Nissa_Kr
Good morning how are you? I just want to Ask a question? Your husband just woke up , triggered by a saying or a behavior and beat you for no reason ? I really understand how someone hurt the person he loves ?
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@@Nissa_Kr Hello i'm not in that situation i really want to understand how, why , what kind of abuse a women Can be suffered by his husband and why a man does that for a women hé prétends to be in love. If you don't mind what kind of abuse do you suffer?
@@patricedenis42because for infantile person its easy to relief all their pain and unsatisfaction in life at someone who's weaker or dependent. And you can always find a reason to justify your bad actions. I deeply understand it cause we always tend to be abusers when we are in a position of power. You have to put efforts to not be unfair to someone you have power over.
I am so happy I made productive decisions about my finances that changed forever. I'm a single mother living in Vancouver Canada, bought my first house in October and hoping to retire soon if things keep going smoothly for me
Everyone needs more than their salary to be financial stable. The best thing to do with your money is to invest it rightly, because money left for saving always end up used with no returns.
I'm also a single mom
Can you show me how to trade profitably, I honestly need another source of steady income
Kate Mellon Bruce is not just my family’s financial advisor, she’s a licensed and FINRA agent who other families in the US employs her services
She's active on face book @
Kate Mellon Bruce
Absolutely brilliant conversation, loved it. No fear in being cancelled, no glorifying of toxic behaviour. well balanced and interesting. Steve doesnt pretend to know ot all and asks the questions we would too. Big plus, he lets each guest speak!!!
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This conversation should be mandatory in all schools to be heard and discussed. Thank you Steven for inviting the professor and sharing this video with everyone!
Along with teaching INTEGRITY in dating!
I actually learned most of this in my human sexuality and anthropology classes in college. But yeah you're right, it should be incorporated more into public school education.
Nothing needs to be mandatory...
@@mindtheprivacyi mean knowing how to read is basically mandatory
I agree.
“Imagine the level of pathological narcissism that you must experience where you say: the need for me to reaffirm my identity supersedes the rights of women” 2:24:18 ‘nuff said 😤💯
THE ONLY SMART COMMENT , MUY BEUNO
Sperm and money- these will always be the primary motivation for men over women…whether they admit it or not.
This is the ethos of Trumps followers.
13:06 THANK YOU. I went into my work with prisoners for many reasons, one of them being my own experience with severe abuse. I was quite literally enslaved by an older man at 14, and because I’ll never be able to ask my abuser “why?”, I went into prisoner work. I’ve come out the other side understanding human behavior better than I ever have, and I’ve been able to let go of 90% of my anger that’s been holding me back. Wanting to study bad things doesn’t mean you are in favor or support bad things. I get accused of trauma bonding with offenders just because I see them as human beings (because they are). I have matured so much because of my experiences. I even joke about “all my friends are murderers” because I’ve met some wonderful people on the inside. What people don’t realize is these horrible things that happen in society ALL come from everyday humans. A true monster is EXTREMELY rare. There’s only ONE person I had to refuse to work with, but otherwise, I was treated with the utmost respect by those on the inside (including their families). And on that note, they ALL have families, jobs, dreams, regrets, betrayals-just like you. They’re ALL just like you and I, and we’re ALL capable of hurting others. Until we can end the cycle of abuse, the pain will continue, and it is my firm belief that the only way forward for us ALL is through compassion. No one is immune to the human condition. No one.
Wow!
The more I learn about relationships, the more I don't want to be in one
Same. Thank you, I don't want to get cheated on or watch my man watch other women. I'd rather be single.
Same, I feel really discouraged rn because of this
Absolutely same.
But, the professor is in a beautiful relationship. To be honest I lost trust what he told , after I heard his position about Trump ..
I can see your point but relationships in any regard, offer the greatest opportunity for growth of our own character, whether the relationship is good or bad.
Truly amazed at Steven’s charismatic way of making it clear that he absolutely was interested in his guests views but does not necessarily agree with his entire philosophy. Well done Steven
I also do agree so much to this comment
I third this comment. It’s very clear that while the guest was able to make distinctions and examples that made sense in the evolution of human behaviors he identifies with Trump to such a degree that all the science in the world that he has given so much of his time to didn’t matter.
Steven, absolutely great job maintaining focus and neutral process of interviewing. You have a unique skill/blessing.
“Purity Bubble” the irony, or is just me??? 😳🥹 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Thank you for pushing the professor and not just agreeing with everything.
yeah there were some aspects of the convo I felt the professor was over-speaking, esp the topic around 2 hours 14 mins. Humility of ancillary subjects is important. Sociology is a separate science that needs to be taken seriously, however it's more related to the Economic Sciences than Evolutionary.
I agree though I think Steven could have pushed harder. I think he missed a good opportunity by not asking the professor to define Communist/Socialist/Marxist (which is what he equated Kamala Harris to). Where do people get the idea that Socialist = Communist? They are not the same and there are many European countries with Socialist govts. that have a much higher standard of living than we have here in the U.S. and certainly most other places in the world.
@@watchtheduck1yeah I lost all respect I had for Gad. I can’t wrap my head around the fact that “smart” people can be so fucking stupid. And even falling for the brain dead “cackling Kamala” term.
@@watchtheduck1many socialist governments are based on communist principles and follow Marxist ideas as well as totalitarian ideas with limited free market (instead they allow government approved corporations) and limited freedom of speech. A number of governments in South America, Africa and even Europe are examples of this.
The European model of socialism that some Americans love to push is the Scandinavian model, fully embraces the free market economy, capitalism, individual liberty and self sovereignty within a democratic government set against the backdrop of a monarchial tradition.
We should not want to emulate the destruction of the marxist socialist state.
We definitely don't have any communist party's and governments in Europe. We have free health care and relatively cheap education and some welfare programmes. But no one wants to a communist state. We are for free markets and democracy.
Love this episode. What makes Steven's podcast so intriguing is that Steven often comes from the perspective of a "student". He invites so-called experts in their perspective field, and he just fires one questions after another. It's Steven's natural "curiosity" that makes his "conversations" so engaging. This feels different when you listen to an expert interviews (or have a conversation) with another expert. I love the "evolutionary" psychology take on why we behave the way we behave/think. Just one observation. Since the last born baby has higher chance to explore ideas, I wonder what the effect is when most parents only have 1 child these days.
The first 10 minutes of the podcast, clearly mentions this conversation is based on evolutionary reasoning and yet the amount of people in these comments feeling triggered is amazing
I know. It’s interesting to see the very emotive based responses, even before they have obviously listened to it.
The comment section is worthy of being studied on its own.
The incels are getting triggered because they know he's calling them out.
Thank you!! You have restored my faith in humanity. This comment section is insane. I can’t believe the stupidity of people 🤯 it’s actually really depressing!
@@jule3480 so have you seen these 5 milion years of our species history? Or is it based on a story someone told you?
Even I ‘unhesitantly’ say this is one of the most intellectually stimulating and open minded conversations I’ve heard in DOAC. I stuck through the entire 3 hrs because I know this is important. Thank you Steve. 🙏🏻
It was great until he started plugging Donald Trump.
@@rissaroybal I was amazed at how much I both agreed and disagreed with him. However, he lost my respect at the end of the interview with his despicable language regarding Kamala Harris (not because I think she is beyond reproach but because she is very obviously not a “moron” and his calling her that only reflects poorly on his ability to have a coherent dispute) and his lack of understanding of his own personal biases.
@@rissaroybal thanks for letting me know... ugh, so much for the bit on morality. I'll stop listening now and save myself some disappointment.
@@sherylkalatharaHowever, for you to be completely honest and not hypocritical, you must acknowledge that the interviewer was challenging him in a very biased and with a critical assumption for an extended period of time. I'm not surprised that the guest raised the anti so to speak to put him in his place.
@@chrismilligan3511 Quite the contrary, the interviewer remained calm and deliberate. His questions were excellent and delivered with empathy; hence why his demeanor and language didn’t change while the other man’s language and delivery became increasingly coarse and his temperament fiery. Perhaps because his biases match yours, you have a perception of hostility. Mine was shown in this segment.
1:22:45 'Kindness and intelligence are universal traits equally desired by both men and women." - yet, there's so little of either to be found in today's world...
Right. ❤
But this guy would vote for Trump?!?! Where’s the “kindness” in that? #GrabHerByThePssy.🤔
Give me Kind Kamala any day!! #KamalaWalz2024
Agree!!
DESIRE is the key word. Many people desire but they themselves are not kind. Hypocrisy is a very human trait. Can dish out but can't take it. Can desire but can't give it. Sadly it becomes a sadistic cycle.
That hit me.
Thankfully cannot relate, people around me are very kind, empathic and supportive both emotionally and physically 🥰
I’m not sure why the UA-cam algorithm put this video in my suggested, as I’ve never heard of you or watched a single clip. Then when I saw it was basically 3 hours long I ALMOST passed on watching, but something told me to watch. Boy, am I THRILLED I did! What a fascinating man, and an equally fascinating discussion! Bravo to both of you!
As a Kenyan, I'd like to apologise for Kenyans winning the Boston marathon sooo many time. 😂 Great conversation as always!
This explains alot! 😂 My ex was Kenyan. One time on new years eve, we ran out of 🍾 about 10 minutes shy of midnight. He ran about a mile to the nearest grocery store, bought more 🍾, & ran back home before the ball dropped at midnight. 🤣🤣🤣
@@amostlyagreeableopinion4005 very reliable people Kenyans 😂😂
Correct from another Kenyan 😂
As an ethiopian I'd like to point out that we win a few here and there as well. You guys can't have all the fun!
@@ezanageressu4741 😂 healthy, neighbourly competition. Keeping it in East Africa.
54:40-54:50🎯 is the reason many men try so hard to “humble women” and/or sabotage them when they’re elevating in life. Insecure people believe that if their partner levels up, they themselves will no longer measure up. “I have to keep her beneath me in order to keep her.”
My husband does that ten million fold...my life is trying to find glimpses of who I was...and I'm trapped financially and I listened and humbled myself so he could take over everything including my finances as I lost my confidence in my calling...my work...trying to climb back up but feel it might be too late...
There are also women who think "I'm making more money. I can do better than him." I've seen that play out and destroy families.
@@reneedwards7801Yes, and there are also women who are saying, I’m making more money and I’m bearing nearly all the domestic and parenting weight.
Or maybe you just picked poorly and try to pass the blame of your poor choices in a partner onto the man.
Yes that’s what my husband said and that’s what his father showed him! As my husband told me, end in the end it will happen what I want, I was out! My love for him died!
Something I didn’t want but it happens after I saw the truth!
Thank you for pushing back at the end there. I appreciate you more as an interviewer and journalist because of this.
Yes!
We should’ve had the Last question first and it would’ve saved many a lot of time. The guest didn’t answer the question just started talking about honey badgers….typical right wing obfuscation when they don’t have data or evidence.
Quite possibly Stephen’s worst guest in a recent line of Wingnuts. I’m Rapidly losing interest in the podcast, which is sad.
Well, what you are experiencing is cognitive dissonance, basically, science vs your left wing ideology. Clean your brain from this fashistic feces and watch again. Maybe you can learn sth. @@RandomUser25122
Yeah, I liked Steven’s ability to push back, and I really wish intersex would’ve been brought up in terms of biological markers, because being intersex sort of dismantles the idea that there is either biological females or males - when there is in fact those who are in between the two.
Dr.Saad has mind-opening conversations with every interviewer, but this one is sterling from start to finish. My brain feels bigger.
So a husband hates infidelity so much that he would kill his wife, but he treats his wife like he wishes she were gone. What a odd event.
It's Narcisism and malignant 😢
Not really but go off.
That sums up my marriage to my ex husband
That’s marriage in s nut shell !
@@SWOTHDRA Did you watch the video? Or just go straight to comments to be quarrelsome?
I love how he is confident enough to ask questions until the slowest person in the room gets it. When he clearly doesn’t know the answer. Yet is so likable, you can’t judge him or see him in a negative light.
Rare and brilliant combination for hosting a show with a large audience. You just can’t help but love him.
Untill after 2h45m.. Oh man I love this episode so much untill he starts strongly endorsing Trump for "speaking out" yeah bro that was like 7 years ago cool, now he's just a polarising populistic real danger to Democracy but here Dr. Saad is saying he would vote 10x for Trump, bruh
That man is a proven criminal, saying that the law is fake/acting not independent and a real friend of Putin. Proving he has low political education.
I will just stop there and remember the actual good content untill then. But man that ruined the aftertaste....
Yes! Steven Bartlett is the best!
I think a lot of the time he knows the answer but asks the question for the audience
He’s had guests on before who have answered the same questions before, he knows the answer. He just wants everyone to be on the same page.
I also know non-native English speakers listen to the podcast so I’m guessing him asking what certain words are helps them out
@@thenon-gaapbillionaire3306 True. But he got comment on both pros and cons re Trump without escalating tension which I thought was quite adroit.
I knew immediately that the answer was a step parent. For many years Dr. Laura begged, begged biological divorced parents not to remarry until their kids grew up.
I remember this, too!!!
My instinct as a separated Mum is to absolutely, under no circumstances bring another Man into my home because of the boys. I do not understand women who are brave enough to do it. I cannot afford to risk it, three boys would be annihilated by a step dad.
@@Footplanet34 That’s not a guarantee; there’s plenty of great step parents out there who are even better than children’s biological parents. It’s about vetting them patiently before letting them into your own and your children’s personal lives.
@Footplanet34 that is ridiculous. There are fabulous step parents around, and it comes down to how you form the relationship with them too. Kids need parental guidance and role modeling from both sexes, and it doesn't hurt for kids to learn their not the world's most important person.
@@Footplanet34I’m 40 yrs old and the best thing my mom ever did for me was give me my stepdad. We butted head when I was a teenager but it would happen if it was my bio dad because of…..puberty. I was a widow with a 6yr old son, remarried. He is 12 now and if I died tomorrow I can go in peace because this man loves him and that is the best feeling in the world.
Started off well, with objectivity, data and scientific statistics and devolved into subjective opinion towards the end. I enjoyed it even if I find some of his views questionable or antiquated.
Those were my thoughts exactly. I loved hearing him talk about science, but the longer the podcast went, the more I started to pick apart his biases. It is clear that he does not like Muslims, which is understandable given his background. He thinks he is being "neutral" but what he thinks about them slips through the cracks. I found myself disagreeing more and more with him the more he spoke, and it's not that his opinions do not have scientific bases, but that there is a clear bias on what he is choosing to present, and the ideas that he is choosing to follow. Additionally, he seems to be pro-patriarchy, which is neither here nor there, but I would also like to hear the opinion of a woman in his field, because it seems like what he's saying is "things have been like this forever, so we should not go against that", however, that does not address the fact that women have always experienced a disadvantage under such a system, and just like capitalism and certain religions: everything in theory is great, but not so much in practice. Again, because we devolve into human bias. An additional observation I have is that this guy certainly thinks the rest of the population is as smart as he is, when he needs to understand that his IQ is way above the average, and holding people to his own standards of understanding, empathy, respect, intellectual capability, etc.; is very naive and frankly dangerous, especially when talking about freedom of speech and its consequences, which was definitely addressed, but not resolved, in the podcast.
Totally agree, well said
I hated that he started using the alpha beta red pill lingo - it was also a red flag when he mentioned Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson 😬
You have a point with what you said about freedom of speech and the danger it poses if not regulated as we have to bear in mind that most of the population isn't highly intelligent to have nuanced or contextual discussions and most of the population doesn't have the high level of understanding and empathy to allow unregulated freedom of speech
OMG! Thank goodness I listened to my insticts and never remarried or brought a new partner into our family home. Dr. Gad has just validated that decision I made long ago.
If you seek validation you are not content with your decision.
@@BrandonMlotshwawas about to say that...I realised that for myself sometime ago that everytime I did something based on validation, I went back to start zero...it's like we forgot invention...you can have your own invention of decisions and choices..
I'm so glad he validated my choice too. It was very hard to articulate without sounding trauma bound
@@angelacarswell3690 what?
That’s why these conversations are so important it gives people the chance to know they are not alone
Just one of many good bits: "Science is the highest form of play". This was expressed in such a humble way, replied to, then quickly considered in an even more humble way. Thank you both for this excellent conversation.
So grateful for your show! Your 7miion are so deserved. You respect your guests, you let them speak, you don’t constantly interject like so many podcasts. You are curious and you e maintained your focus on knowledge and expanding ours w amazing guests and you haven’t diluted w celebrities and the distractions of fame. THANK YOU SO MUCH! ❤❤❤ you’re a gem online.
Thr feedback at the end is so deserved, Steve does such a great job at having a good open conversation with evry guest (except Boris, but it only shows how remarkably good the dialog all the rest of the time is)
I love the host’s intellectual precision and being unafraid to ask the tough questions!!!!
Such a refreshing subversive conversation. Not everything has to confirm your biases. I love it.
He is definitely confirming someone's bias
That kind of thing ought to be status quo level shit. Hardly subversive.
The clip is 3hrs, was posted five hours ago but someone already has an opinion which was commented 4hrs ago. Lols
You don't have to listen very closely to hear Gad's biases.
They are always out there in the sunlight making lots of noise.
@@thatomalebo5338 look at this person online and biases not just this podcast
We can see what happens with couples when they get older; often the woman being overworked, overwhelmed, working outside of the home and taking on child bearing, child rearing, cooking, cleaning, washing, housework, shopping and the mental load start hitting the wall. And as a result she begins to resemble his mother rather than his mate. This is when his desire for her starts to wane and then pending infidelity and divorce.
I also advise women to not overwork themselves when they can hire help. Also don't marry a man than cannot afford to hire help and only wants Her to take on all of the household load.
This is the exact reason I divorced early. It wasn't a soft place for me and I didn't want to be haggard at 40. I knew if I took care of myself I could live the life I wanted. ❤
Also advise men to step up and participate in the housework, the shopping, the cooking, etc.. Many can’t afford to hire someone, and, some that can afford it, don’t want to spend money on something they can do themselves.
It’s so interesting that the onus is always on the woman and the man skates.
God forbid if the woman is a housewife, the husband would taunt her saying, 'you are a housewife, managing house is supposed to be your work.'
@@fizawhipnexusmy husband says those things 😢
It’s also deeply unattractive for a woman to have a parasitic man-Child to have to support, without reciprocation. I don’t fancy over grown boys either, so the disaffection is mutual.
Hands down one of the most erudite, scientific and eloquent podcasts about the most critical topics of our times. Loved Dr Gad's untempered and undiluted reasoning and the fluidity with which he backs his statements. The podcast was well done and transitioned smoothly between topics. The last 1 hour was powerful! 😊
My HS bf and I were engineering majors. I went on finish and work and industry and he kept failing classes due to him constantly playing video games.
I broke it off once I realized we grew apart and I didn’t want to be with a man child. After we broke up he stalked me for 3 months and assaulted me at gunpoint. He nearly killed me.
The most dangerous time for a woman is when she leaves or while she’s pregnant. Very sad.
Is he in prison now?
@@ClaireGreen-wd2gm
No, police chased him down and once they were about to take him into custody he took his own life.
@@ethxo6734 even better
@@ethxo6734 I wish you a peaceful life! I can imagine the horror.
Exactly! Infidelity suspicion is not the main cause according to the data here in Brazil at least. Most deaths happen because the guy doesn’t accept being left, even when he’s a cheater himself.
Great conversation! Even if you disagree with some parts, the professor is superrrr smart and articulates his thoughts well and Steve did a great job pushing back and playing devils advocate! I watched the entire 3 hours and could’ve watched more. Thanks mate!
The fact that I knew instantly the answers to raised questions proves to me how much attention I pay to these podcasts. Thanks for these meaningful conversations!
I'm proud of you!
My feelings about this podcast have journeyed from being triggered to finding my way back to equilibrium. It’s a discussion so provocative that it’s like a rollercoaster ride for the mind! Thank you yet again Steven
Me and my husband, 38 and 39 years old . Married for 20 years, together for 22. Both last born. Only one’s in both our families to leave our home town. Both married first out of our siblings. Waited longest ( 12 years ) before having our own children. Usual peaks and troughs of life but very happily married and constantly work to grow together and learn new things …..lots from your fabulous pod cast ❤ Hope this information can help with your research. Keep up the good work Stephen ……as long as you enjoy it!! your service is very much appreciated!!
Beautiful ❤
He'll cheat on you when you get to be around 50. Mark my words.
I love how the professor isn't scared to speak as himself and swears 😂❤ it's refreshing
Am like others surprised that I watched the whole interview. It did not feel like 3 hours. Thank you Steven and team. After listening to your interviews, I have been more motivated to live healthy. Your Podcast has literally had health benefits to my life. You and your team are making a difference in this world 😀
I can't remember when was the last time I watched an entire interview from the very beggining to the end in a single watch.
Absolutely top tier content. Love your work man, amazing guest, it was a pleasure to see!
I am scientist working with indigenous people in South America, there are cases of polyandry, that is one woman married to several men. This is in traditional hunter- gatherer societies, where having more than one husband is super practical, as your family simply has more food if more than one man is out to hunt for you. Both polygamy types are parallel present in such cases. In these societies, jealousy is an unvalued feature of male behaviour, as well as male biological paternity is far less relevant, a man raises kids even together with other men, it is irrelevant in such families who the biological dad is. These societies are more rare but they do exist even today. In the case I know more about, the husbands did not have to be brothers. The fact that hunter-gatherer societies are more like to show this pattern, also speaks to evolutionary relevance, since all human societies have been hunter-gatherer tribes at some point in time.
Very interesting, thanks for sharing.
Thank you for sharing it with us! ❤ valuable information 😊
Makes perfect sense!!
Thank you. Very interesting as a counterpoint🙏
Glad you brought it up. I am from a continent where polyandry was also acceptable in some sub-cultures, yet this guest speaks as if he has scoured the world and came to an absolute conclusion that spans the entire globe and human species.
Thank you Steve for pushing back on some of your guest’s statements and ideas!
Major respect to this guest for being unapologetically true to himself, his genuine beliefs, and also scientific truths. That’s becoming more and more rare.
His genuine beliefs are hateful and Nazi-like. He’s the kind of person his family fled from. He’s been on the receiving end yet still can’t help but literally fawn over the fascist trying to destroy America
Agreed! ❤
True science!
Except at the end 2:50 ish where he went on an emotional rant about why crazy people are good with nuclear buttons
That and when he calls Harris a Communist while all the way through the conversation he's a stickler for precise terminology. Disagree with her policy all you want but calling her a Communist is objectively ridiculous.
36:40 I love that Steven does not hesitate a second to ask for the definition of "cadaver". A highly success and knowledgable person that has no problem with being perceived as "uneducated" for not knowing a word. He is just comfortable in the discussion being curious and asking things. He really wants to understand the topic. Much appreaciation for that man!
I loved it! Well done for inviting him! I might not agree with every single thing he said or thought, but it was a very compelling and though provoking listening experience.👋
I also think what he meant to say about being a tall educated woman was that our looks and intellect alone weeded out 85% of the dating opportunities of which men were uneducated themselves, week minded, intimidated, low self esteem. Which means we dodged the ones which could have been domineering and controlling. The abusive types.
Thank you. I’m 5’10” with a Masters degree and over 40. I took all he said with a grain of salt. Huge generalization. Plus now that I know his political views, I’m wishing I hadn’t watched any of this interview.
@@deborahday1786 I’m not offended by his views. He just puts to much of an emphasis on sex being the end all the bees all. lol. And that’s what a lot of men do. Where women, not just tall ones want a quality and diverse of interest in a relationship as well as protection and good genes. Educated and intelligent is good genes. Being capable of thinking beyond the tip of their penis. We dodged the animalistic controlled ones.
@@jenniferflower9265 Are you married?
@@Saavys yes 19 years. I had 2 years of singleness in my 20s by choice because my high school sweetheart past away. I always was asked out. I have gotten asked out throughout my marriage many times as well, if people don’t know me and my husband. I’ll add that I’m 46 and it still happens.
He is definitely saying it’s the woman’s choice. I’ve found that to be correct. We eliminate those who don’t meet our standards… and if we have gotten to a place in life where there are very few men who exceed our status, it definitely narrows the field. Women have a very hard time dating down while men have almost no preference in a woman’s status (intellect/socioeconomic)
Can you blame a woman for talking about toxic masculinity when you also say the most dangerous person she will ever meet is her husband
Apparently “toxic masculinity” is just the “primal urge for paternity certainty”… the funny thing is that the statistics of father abandonment do not reflect this desperate desire to raise their child… Oh! Today we have DNA tests! Time to evolve! 😂😂
Definitely not.
That was one of the things I disagree with him on. For someone who kept talking about modulation, he sure talked about masculinity like it's black and white. It's a matter of degrees. Nobody ever said a fireman going into a burning building to save someone is toxic. The guys in the video who kept approaching the lady walking down the street alone, in his words, they're "@$$holes." I think the difference is pretty obvious to.
Some people are misunderstanding the husband statistics. While true that around 55% of all female homicide victims (in the US) are killed by an intimate partner (not necessarily husband), this makes it sound like a huge percentage of men are inherently dangerous to their partners. It ignores the fact that the VAST majority of women will not be homicide victims to begin at ~0.002%. Compared that to 20% who die of heart disease. So I would say the deli vendor is more dangerous to women than their husbands.
@@barrettfrancis1278 That's a huuuuge amount. The women who go into relationships are naive especially with so much information today. Especially if living together. You should never go into a sleeping lion's den unarmed
Steven. You never cease to amaze me with your interviews. Amazing work. I found the whole discussion fascinating. Although I didn’t agree with some of the things mentioned, your technique allowed me to understand how he arrived at his way of thinking. Really interesting man to interview.
This has to have been THE best interview/conversation you've ever done, imo. Thank you both for your respect, intelligence, thoughtfulness, and purity. Respect!
💙 from Tasmania, Australia 🇦🇺
Oh, it's so refreshing to see a conversation where you see some moments when people are disagreeing at the same time as they look with admiration to the other person!
Thank you for challenging him.. I don’t think I’ll be buying his books.
Why?
Exactly, I am really glad that Steven not just agrees with what the guest is saying but he confronts with his own facts, massive respect for him for that
I have seen him in some male re4d p5ill podcasts. The way he speaks there is very differnt. I have found a lot of his v5iews (despite his knowledges in his field) to be very m7sogynstic. Goes to show that even experts in some fields have their underlying belief systems which goes against one particular group or another.
@@manifest2203 lol
@@manifest2203 yeah, cuz intelligent individuals are more prone to biases
Dr Gad Saad, first time I am introduced to him. In this conversation he has stimulated my mind, he has challenged my thinking, in fact my mind has never been taken this far.
I also think the story of Honey badger (Ratel) fearless animal, was needed.
I will have this podcast on repeat 👏🏾
Thank you Steven for introducing us to these legends 👊🏾
Well, that was one hell of a wild ride, Stephen. I loved the first 2 1/2 hours, and now I just have a nagging urge to brush my teeth. I love your kindness and diplomacy though. You're always such gracious host.
As a 23-year-old male who has been in a committed relationship for two years, I can confidently say that the idea that all men are “dangerous” or “hardwired to cheat” is a massive oversimplification. While there may be some evolutionary factors that influence male behavior, sure. Human actions in relationships are shaped by a much more complex blend of biology, psychology, social norms, and personal experiences.
In my case, I have no intention of ever betraying or leaving my partner. This is my third serious relationship, so I’m not just viewing things through the lens of a “honeymoon phase” - I’ve experienced heartbreak before and know what it’s like to be in different stages of love. It’s important to avoid generalisations that paint all men with the same brush, especially since many of us are fully capable of being faithful, respectful, and committed in relationships.
Attributing male behavior solely to biology or isolated statistics ignores the impact of culture, personal choice, and individual circumstances. Such stereotypes can distort discussions around gender roles, relationships, and what it means to have healthy behaviors. Human behavior, after all, is far more nuanced than these generalizations suggest.
I agree, but all of this rationalization goes off a window because so many women dealt with bad men, and other men who defend bad men. Personal experience goes first and honestly it's a privilege to speak from a position when you never deal with abuse personally and heard only from other sources.
Sorry but at 23 you have no idea what you’re gonna do 🤷🏾♀️
@@its_all_in_the_feeling8448 Lol, well, I'm in my 30s, and I agree. The guy in the video is a grifter. He has a Ph.D. In marketing, not evolution, and he’s selling a book… go figure. This is obviously just a self-promo tour for selling his book.
Yeah you're 23 and so idealistic, especially about yourself.
Your mid life crisis is ahead of you, I genuinely hope you stay true to younger self. Good luck.
@@its_all_in_the_feeling8448
I can't believe he has that many different types of friends and still calls them friends. I would never be friends who cheat on their spouse uncontrollably.
I was surprised as well. I had a group of all-male "friends" from university (I'm female in an engineering field with few women). I liked them, they were smart, driven and outgoing. I got invited to party with them as if I was one of the boys. After witnessing how they cheated repeatedly on their girlfriends in parties, and how everyone seemed fine with it, I lost all respect and stopped hanging out with them. The last straw was one of them hitting on me drunk when he had introduced me to his girlfriend and future wife barely a few hours before.
@@belenlg5978that's standard behavior for lots of men. We've buried the ability to navigate the war of the sexes. Trying to use rules and regulations to scrub clean human behavior.
If your mates all cheat.... You cheat too
He's a zionist. Ethics are not his forte.
@@belenlg5978I think the host wants to cheat ? Or has a p@rn addiction. He recently always having these type of podcasts. Hopefully not the case
I got through the whole conversation 😊 He has such a profound voice and ideology. He is such a great intellectuals.
14:25 the fact that every woman knew the answer to this and a smart man like Steven had to think about it speaks volumes…. Also reflects why men were so confused at women choosing “the bear” - truly astounding how out of touch men are to women’s reality
Exactly. I knew the answer the second he asked.
@@honeylavender1122 Based on how he describes his upbringing it seemed incredibly disingenuous.
I'm a women and I chose the man. You can reason with a man, you can't with a bear. The women who chose a bear seem out of touch to me. Masculinity is protective, toxic femininity has erased true Masculinity and we are left with weak men who use violence as a form of control
He knew the answer, they ALL know the answer. They are not dumb, they just play dumb to get women to labor for them in the name of “love”.
THEY KNOW.
yes, including this guest @honeylavendar1122
This just reminded me of something. Me and my husband just finished reading The 21 Former Doctor Secrets by Rachl Morgan. Everything starts with health!
Thanks for sharing that
Im checking it out now
omg I know that book
props to Dr.Rachel she is amaizing
Thankss
The professor is in teach mode even during this interview. I love how he quizzes Steven. Love this interview.
I disliked it. There’s a time and place for everything. He could be a little quieter and gather more. Not humble at all.
@@FoxxyRoxxy76 Yep. He him self spoke about that level of self awareness and ability to adapt, but he was speaking to him like he was 10 at times. I found it annoying.
@@afroaffirmation I noticed that! He also tried to throw Steven off-balance whenever pushed by bringing up something that only someone with a niche interest would know enough about to even have an opinion on. He's clever, but not near as clever as he thinks he is...
Loved this from start to finish. This conversation was amazing.
The subtitle doesn’t do the actual content justice because it really was a fascinating look into biology and human behaviour. Excellent video!
Oh my goodness, these Canadian psychologists are something else. Another highly intellectual debate. Thoroughly enjoyed it. I intend to watch it again, all 3hrs.
Dr. Gad Saad has never taken care of clients in a clinical setting like Dr. Peterson has. Dr. Saad uses evolutionary psychology in his research, university teaching, and to write his books and articles. I hope this makes the distinction between Dr. Saad and the other Canadian psychologists that I assume you meant make sense.
@@proudatheist2042 still his perspective on life and human nature makes total sense especially from a biological standpoint. We're truly complex and explaining things just from one dimension is not enough. There's a lot to learn from both and others in the field. I know JP speaks against hedonism but sometimes you need the best or fast car or meaningless sex as long as it's consensual, safe and you're single. The problem is when emotionally and psychologically immature people engage in it without a care in the world and wasting their life but someone who has established themselves as responsible people in society why not occasionally have fun🤷
You dont need to be a clinical psychologist to be a psychologist.
This started off so well and it was all downhill from there. Lets face it most scientists are bias as they want to prove a hypothesis. Interesting conversation but also scary that someome with such high credentials can come across so ignorant. I am a little bored of the amount of these podcasts talking about how awful it is that men cant get any sex and also mentioning how woman lose their value as they age. Steven did well in thia conversation especially towards the end.
Exactly my thoughts.
IKR. Men have no right to complain about being lonely,it's self inflicted
These men are now learning that they're not entitled to sex with women. If they're repulsive in any way, we don't want to even sit beside them much less get intimate with them.
Same here! I had a couple things I heard near the start that had my ears perk up, and then as I went on I realized that he's quite lost on a few topics and hiding behind his pedigree and speech to quickly gloss over and mask some pretty unsubstantiated ideas (and throw in a few strawman arguments as well when Steven tried to gentle push him).
I know about that danger. I came to realize this in my 30’s but I wasn’t comfortable saying it because I knew how it would be perceived. It can be very true.
Good job, Steven, on conducting a balanced interview and maintaining your composure when faced with strong opinions with which you disagree.
man I love Dr. Saad and this conversation was a delight. might have been one of the best I've ever seen with him. such a legend.
Excellent video, a must see.
Him being so extreme in his views on American politics (especially when he himself isn't even American) towards the end of the conversation kinda soured me on what was otherwise a fairly interesting conversation
@@mikeeinstein1look at the policies she endorses.
@thistles nope, you did not address my question so your comment is not helpful. I am looking for a video where she says that she is a Stalinist, Leninist, and Marxist. That is the claim. If you can't stick to the topic, I would appreciate not hearing from you.
@@mikeeinstein1 I don't know of an instance of her saying she's that combination using those words, but her background, her policy propositions, and her word choice clearly broadcast that she is. I didn't interpret his statement as a claim of something she literally said, so I wouldn't call it a lie, and it hardly discounts everything else he says. If that's your standard, you must only talk to birds.
If you want to gatekeep the replies to your comment, maybe the comment section isn't the place for you.
@@thistles I stopped reading your comment after the first sentence.
So you don’t like freedom of speech. Got it.
The end of this interview had a tone that was incongruent with the body of the work. All Science out the window. He talks about an ordered society but excuses the breaking of laws by DT because he is a honey badger.
Statistics is the best. Unfortunately it's collected by humans.
He clearly sees the oppressive machinery behind sock puppet Harris.
Because the candidates for president were not chosen by science. Given the choices, Trump is the safest option to occupy the role. To pretend that the other side is not equally or even more corrupt is foolish.
@@Whatorwellsaid21 Word salad to justify or excuse away a boorish human who demonstrates little restraint, reflection or respect.
Winning at all costs isn't harmful, and ruthlessness is admirable = must be nice to be a man. Brilliant logic until you applied it to politics. Globally yes the crazy pants is scarier. Domestically the crazy pants has already doomed women's rights and other groups' rights. We don't need no stinking honey badgers😊
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
I have found that fathers abandon their children in favor of stepchildren and new children with a new spouse.
I have seen this many times including my own father.
@@henriettahardiment-vu6yv I am sorry to hear it. It is said that the reason is unconscious to form a new family, but it still hurts. I hope you are able to forgive him and know you are worthy of much love!
Really baby haaan?
Such a narcissist😂
The data says that the risk of infanticide increases when step parents enter the home. Primarily male stepparents.
@@Diana-ik2vrforgive!?😂
Really great interview! The questions, the respect and the back and forth was perfect. I really apprecciate how Steven does not get heated no matter what the other person is saying. He is always professional and focused to get the best answers in a way I have not seen before.
Some points were objective, some were definitely not, some points were true, some points were far from that, yet as always, this was a good episode.
Hopefully you are active researcher studying human behavior across and publishing thesis and being m critiqued to do better. Congratulations.
@@jessaabraham Thank you. I hope the same for you.
@@mikeeinstein1I totally agree 👍.
Certainly. Here's a comprehensive list of statements or arguments from Dr. Saad that appear flawed, biased, or overly simplistic:
1. Marathon runners and World Cup example: His use of Kenyan marathon runners and World Cup winners as analogies for societal inequality is deeply flawed, creating a false equivalence between natural athletic advantages and complex societal issues.
2. Immigration stance: His views on immigration are extreme and lack nuance, failing to acknowledge the complexity of immigration issues and potential benefits to societies.
3. Gender identity issues: His dismissal of transgender rights and identity is reductive and doesn't align with current scientific understanding of gender identity.
4. Political correctness: While critiquing excessive political correctness has merit, he seems to dismiss all attempts at increasing sensitivity as detrimental, which is an oversimplification.
5. Donald Trump support: His defense of Trump overlooks many legitimate criticisms and seems to prioritize an aggressive leadership style over other important leadership qualities.
6. Evolutionary explanations: He sometimes applies evolutionary explanations too broadly, potentially overlooking other important factors in human behavior.
7. "Suicidal empathy": This concept oversimplifies complex social issues and policies, potentially dismissing genuine attempts to address societal problems.
8. Free speech absolutism: While free speech is crucial, his absolutist stance doesn't fully engage with the complexities of harmful speech in society.
9. Portrayal of academia: His characterization of academia as uniformly adhering to certain ideologies is an overgeneralization.
10. Use of provocative language: Terms like "avocado brain" for Kamala Harris are ad hominem attacks that don't contribute to substantive debate.
11. Oversimplification of complex social issues: Many of his arguments reduce multifaceted social problems to simple evolutionary or ideological explanations, potentially missing important nuances.
12. Bias against certain political ideologies: His strong stance against what he perceives as left-leaning ideologies sometimes appears to prevent a balanced consideration of different viewpoints.
13. Characterization of Kamala Harris: His extreme criticism of Harris seems based more on personal dislike than substantive policy disagreements.
14. Approach to equality: His arguments against equality of outcome sometimes conflate it with genuine efforts to address systemic inequalities.
15. Use of personal anecdotes: While personal experiences are valuable, he sometimes uses them to make broad generalizations about complex issues.
This list highlights the importance of critically examining arguments, even when presented by experts in their field. It's crucial to consider multiple perspectives and seek out diverse sources of information when forming opinions on complex societal issues.
Steven you are a true Virgo! I love that you are a critical thinker and asks great questions! You remained objective and knew when to move on when he had a hard time answering your straight forward questions about Trump. Well done!!!
Well said, he has earned my respect because of this 👏🏼
That aggressive approach by men on the street is frightening. Doesn't matter what they say. It's frightening.
smh
Hence don't approach guys, go about your business. I say this 10mins after I was approached by a gorgeous girl on the bus, that I wanted to approach as soon as she came to the bustop before we boarded. She asked if I believed in God 😂, I was so disappointed thinking she was my future wife....whcih she could've been. Mind you business guys
Good god @@femz6438 you thought she might have been yr future wife based on sexual attraction? Eek
I didn’t like that this guest’s reaction saying it was night + the men were probably drinking. He should watch the one of the NYC woman walking to work in the morning. It was actually worse becuz they were aggressively serious, very rude + persistent.
As a very young woman in the late 80s I was groped, grabbed, stopped, yelled at to SMILE, hit-on then called a B for saying no. Hands running up my inner thigh becuz I was walking down subway stairs, hard things pressed up against me on crowded trains, touching, groups of guys talking about which one would come over + grab my butt.
It was daily + all I was doing was going to work. So those videos are enraging. Want a GF? Be funny sweet + sincere. And kinda cute in ur own way. That’s The Key.
@@LLynneM smh, missed the point completely
I'd like to compliment you, Steven, on your amazing professionalism. I appreciate that you ask questions which challenge and inspire your guests to provide in depth responses.
I first learned of Dr. Saad and his work about 5 years ago. His eagerness to inform the audience with facts, his insistence on honesty and integrity in his presentation, and his ability to weave complex ideas together with the common tongue is remarkable.
I wanted to comment on Self Awareness. My father told me many times as I was growing up that if I wouldn't learn when "someone done had their fill" of me and it was time to dial it down, then I'd eventually be "Oh. That Chrystal" to everyone that I knew. It took years and some mandated weekly CBT classes to recognize my off putting and negative traits and I'm by no means perfect at curbing my "ME" when I should. However, learning to be self aware has helped give me the confidence to do the work necessary to be a better person today than I was yesterday. Introverted introspective, my friend calls it. It. Is. Difficult. And so worth it. I hope that people do listen to this podcast from start to finish and that they have their, "I do that. OMG, I'm an asshole" moment when they hear Dr. Saad's experiences with being stopped and lectured on the street, in front of his family. Thank you, Dr. Saad, for being gracious in allowing people to "get out of pocket" (as us Gen Xrs would call it) and not muddling up your reputation by losing your temper.
Dr. Saad, your work is fascinating. I hope you have many more years of research ahead of you and may you live to be 120!
To lend an ear to diverse viewpoints is to enrich our own understanding! Love this channel and all the interesting individuals.👍
I wish that Steven would interview Lundy Bangcroft
or someone who is an expert on husbands who abuse their wives.
Or someone who understands WHY some men evolve into “Coercive Control & domestic violence”
Because it’s getting out of control in Australia & probably other parts of the world too!
Professor Sam Vaknin would be perfect.
"Democratic" Society as a Whole is nothing more than Coercive Control and Violence.
As individuals lose agency and freedom under government oppression it produces echoes in their immediate relationships.
Out of curiosity, does Bangcroft address coercive control on same sex relationships and in women over men? Does he make a strong case of male coercive control to be a unique phenomena of its own? I might be interested in interviewing him myself.
@BjörnBallermann those are different things I'd argue, but I understand your frustration. I too saw girls cheat in my group of friends, whereas the boys behaved or at least, didn't do it openly, but that does not belong to this convo I'd say.
It's common for women to use these tactics too. Coercive abuse is common in both genders. It's just more dangerous when physically stronger men do it.
i can see why this guy got cancelled
he was warning us all the way through. he loves his identity as a rebel. as a female in an analytical tech profession i was with him all the way to the very anecdotal, biased and unfounded personal politics at the end. oh! now i get it. poor guy. people can’t handle “the truth” 😂
good that he got cancelled...these really bright people with very dangerous ideologies are parasites
If only he was but still spouting bs on public media 🙄
@@briellebardot5252I know you're pressed by the truth 😂
But are you able to coherently articulate why he deserved to be canceled? Critical thinking is required.
This was a really good discussion. Looking forward to reading Dr. Saad’s books.
As a survivor of domestic whose ex was telling everyone I was cheating... Yeah, I'm steering clear of men from now on.
so you are basically saying if my ex cheated on me that means all woman are cheaters so i should stay away from woman?
Pick better
Jk, but seriously you got the worst of the litter. To swear off all men is understandable but isn’t doing yourself any favors
@@bobthebuilderhecanbuildit with the attitude she have towards man she better steer clear of men. no discent person wants to deal with the emotional baggage of his new partner, and this is exactly what her next man will have to deal with, because she cant grow up unfortunatly
Wise lady
As a university professor and social scientist-protect this man!! I have been “alone” and overtly and covertly shunned in academia for 25 years. Thank you for this interview.
Why were you shunned?
I'm sorry to hear that
Your success is due to interesting topics.
Voice, charismatic personality are great also but your topics always grab me.
Same! I'm a psychology professor as well, and I LOVE evolutionary psychology! 💞
Except that he's a terrible person and shouldn't be respected at all. Do some more research.
Dr. Saad seems to confuse toxic masculinity with confidence. These two characteristics may overlap to some extent, but you can be a confident male and not toxic. Interesting that Dr. Saad doesn't distinguish the difference. Given the use of the words alpha and beta, it's not surprising.
there is no such a thing like toxic masculinity. There is masculinity and asshole behavior.
We ALL have the desire to stray but we don't have to substantiate that desire. Well said Dr. Saad! That is why boundaries is necessary. Feeding weaknesses and betrayal never benefits anyone and never turn out good.
men get angry when we ask for boundries,they also get SUPER TRIGGERED when we ask them not to cheat,but they demand loyal wives,lol ok men
At 2hr ish and after mark. One thing that needed to be said is, if someone with robust science can group demographics to something that feels hurtful or offensive, it is not the truth that is offensive…it is the weaponising of the truth is the issue. No one gets to the crux of the matter, so they explain around the issue. Also history has taught us that some experts will falsely present scientific fact at the destruction of groups of people intentionally. To think in the way Dr Gaad is explaining of accepting fact , requires an evolutionary enlightenment of mankind. His points though valid, are in abstract isolation of the society he shares it with. He needs to apply the staircase concept when explaining it to a broader society, and just say grow a pair because that statement in itself indicates ignorance.
What a troubling combination of scientific rationalizations coupled with overtly hostile bigotry.
Facts
Well said.
I believe that purpose comes from the feeling that what you’re doing extends beyond the self. So a nurse, although not a creative and flexible profession, gives great purpose because what he/she does serves other people and makes their world better, if even only for an instant. That is also magical. And many jobs are open to finding greater purpose. From cashier at a supermarket to teacher, to cardiac surgeon, to a plumber. It is all about how you approach your role in society and it all has to do with the interaction of you and other people.
Thank you for this comment. Creativity isn't necessary to have a purposeful or a happy career
I love the bit about modulation and the “beautiful woman” example. It was so so important to add this for context.
But let’s be clear. This does play into “me too”. That woman was being harassed while she was trying to mind her own business and get from A to B. Now if that’s a universal woman experience, and it’s bothersome, makes us feel unsafe, of course we’re going to take issue with it