The Canon R7 IBIS Problems - Can Canon Fix It?
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NOTE: When the IBIS does work, it's amazing! The reason I consider it the worst IBIS is that it doesn't work in so many situations, let's hope Canon can fix it.
Well, the IBIS works 99% of all the times, especially with Canon (EF) lenses....
Damn, even my Sigma 50mm 2.8 macro is much more stable on the R7 than on any camera before!
Where i really saw how bad or non functional IBIS can be.... Sigma 150-600 Contemporary.... the internal lens stab is cancerous and IBIS refuse to work with this lens 100%, making it effectively a tripod only lens for video.
But i once took with me a tripod at a short wildlife trip... as much you brag as videographer about the R7s IBIS..... lets be honest, if you really want usable video material, you better get your ass up and take with you a tripod, it make sense for video, even with a basic mount.
Yeah its true, the RF 800 F11 is handheld superb stabilized on the R7 and as crazy this sounds - a video on effective 1280mm with the RF 800 is looking much more stable than a video with even just 300mm (=effectively ONLY 480mm) on the Sigma 150-600
Ohh and btw, your "so many times" just means: Only MF/old lenses..... who ever is pairing any older, not so sharp lens with a R7 made something very very wrong. Especially manual focus lenses.... its like as if you dont use the best feature of the camera...
99% of the people are able to use the IBIS of the R7 for sure. Its just the nearly exincted group of old videographers/youtubers which still use old MF lenses on these cameras which get troubles and its ok.... Canon just want to tell you: "Go for Canon Autofocus lenses at least!"
May i ask what adapter are you using to convert RF to EF? Canon or third party, any difference comparing canon adapter to third party ones? Ty.
Any update on this? Was there any firmware improvement, or situation basically the same? Would you say this phenomenon is likely to be also happening with Tamron 150-600 G2 with the Canon RF adapter?
I am very happy with the IBIS on my R7. I am using various EF, EFs lenses and the 18 - 150 RFs kit lens. No issues
Good to hear!
Camera body less weight there is no need Ibis
@@mohandass3442 Completely disagree. The lighter the body, the harder it is to hold steady. IMHO
The IBIS & the lens IS fighting each other in older lenses is the exact experience I had with the R7 which was one of the major reasons why I sent mine back.
I have an older 70-200 2.8 and a 100-400 II, both work great together, much better than on any camera without IBIS before.
Funnily enough, with the RF 600 and 800, so native lenses, the IBIS struggles and work against it slightly.....
GOAT, let's hope they can fix that with firmware. Would be worthwhile reporting to to Canon.
So far I am happy with my R7. Use canon 18-135 with ibis and works well together.
Don’t use manual ones, will take a closer look on this though. Thanks for sharing your experience there
Good info. Have you tried the 18-135 for video? I see others reporting issues in video.
@@markwiemels Yes, I do just video, did shoot a watch production vid with that combo and it was really smooth. That said, I did shoot in 4K 60 (no crop) and not ultra fine, to me the footage looked smooth and better than what I could get out of my M6 mii... But I also do not have an comparison to toher cameras, for my needs though the stabilization was fine.
@@mb-watches Oh, that's really good to hear! That is a popular lens, it would be good if it works effectively with the R7.
I'm hand holding the R7 with the 18-35 sigma (no stabilization) and it looked great handheld.
Good to hear, yes, I have gotten a good result with that setup as well.
@@lbeetech Except, in this case, the IBIS is not working with lenses that Canon has designed it to work with.
have the same setup. did you turn off the Ibis setting?
I can't reproduce your findings. I recorded some video with my old Tamron AF 18-200mm lens, which has no stabilization. These videos were stable and that must be the work of the IBIS on itself. For me the R7 works well together with the 18-150 kitlens. My EFS 18-1353.5-5.6 is ok too. I can make stabile videos without a tripot or gimbal. With my 90D that was not possible.
Yes, I would expect the first two lenses to be good, that matches my findings in this video. Others are having issues with the EF-S 18-135, in video specifically. Are you having any issues in video?
Thanks for the mention. This was some thorough testing. Hopefully Canon sees this, does some testing of their own, and the engineers get to work with some firmware updates. They have a good camera here, but it definitely needs some tweaking. One of the main reasons I bought it was for the IBIS and so far it is a big let down.
We have seen improvements, via firmware, in other recent Canon cameras. I'm hopeful the R7 will get get the same.
@@markwiemels Heh...I posted about this on the Canon community...and even included a link to your video. It was not well received.
@@MarkAnthony.TheOne There is a vocal minority that what their camera, and all their life decisions, to be perfect. It appears that they think that information like this is personal attack or something. It is strange, many will dispute what are just facts demonstrated with evidence.
R7 with IBIS + Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 works perfectly, best combo ever
Curious if you've tried these same tests with a Canon R5 or R6 and gotten the same results? What if you multiply the focal lenght of the manual lens by 1.6x and put that as the focal lenght for the IBIS?
Good idea, I just tried this, and it made it different, but did not fix it. I then played around with the setting and found that around 100mm was better, but still not prefect. It makes me think it is just the calculations they have in the firmware, and should be easy to fix.
I have a canon 10-22 ef-s, a canon 24-70 f2.8 first gen and a canon 70-200 first gen as well.
The Ibis does work,in video mode i get some great results as well as in foto,af is just amazing and the overall experience very good.
I have the ibis on R7 on and the digital is off. I dont know how some people are affected by this issue but i am very pleased and satisfied whith the R7. The only thing that bothers me is the bad evf but i can live with that.
Thanks for sharing. The IBIS is working well with my 10-22 EF-S lens as well.
@@markwiemels I use the 10-22mm as well, and get kind of worping effect, so the footage looks like somebody is drunk. Any idea how to get it less wobbly? :-)
I've been having focus problems with my R7 recently. After looking for solutions I see a few people saying Canon has done warranty replacement of some components to fix it.
I’ve also noticed the same type of issue with the Canon R10 electronic stabilization. I’m really upset because it’s my first camera investment, and I got a manual lens only to find the electronic image stabilization doesn’t work at all. The camera should be able to use EIS with manual lenses... this is ridiculous.
I have the same problem with the Canon R6ii, using old Canon FD mount. I thought my camera got problems with the IBIS, but i'm gald that I saw your video to comfirmed it's not my camera problems but it's firmware/Canon mindset problems. Such a shame that the new Canon R line got so many potential for videography but Canon keeps saying it's third party lens issues.
That why cannon is not offering third party lens, I think it take a while for third party lenses, native lense have no problem
Canon's RF mount cinema lenses have the same issue, the situation I am having has nothing to do with the lens.
I am using a viltrox Ef to R3 speedbooster with my R7. The stabilisation doesn’t work in video mode. It judders and there’s a huge delay when panning.
Would you choose X-T4 over R7? I own a M6 Mk2 right now and I am sitting on the fence trying to decide which camera to upgrade to. In both cases it's a system change. There are rumors that X-T5 is just around the corner with AF improvement among the others.
I prefer the X-T4, but it is not as easy to use as the R7. I would go play with one in store, and see what you think, I would also wait for the X-T5.
@@markwiemels Well, I’ve got some experience with Sony. The menu system cannot get much worse, I suppose:) Unfortunately I only saw them available online so far but i will keep looking.
@@MarcinPalka Yes, I prefer Fuji menus over Sony.
@@markwiemels Is Fuji’s autofocus really that bad compared to Canon’s?
@@MarcinPalka It's pretty bad, my Canon 70D was better. In some situations it's ok, but you can never really trust it for video. I should say, for photo it's totally fine, it's just video that it has issues.
good that I canceled my pre-ordered r7. I got new mobile with 8k and I love it. When I need camera it will most likely be Sony.
I usually turn off the enhanced and just have it on. Then the lens is turned off the stabilization than there is no stabilization. Now I placed the camera on a low profile tripod with stabilization off, on the dashboard in the car and when the car with the engine on you get a jello effect. I have no problems with the R10.
Try to multiply the crop factor. The software should have that accounted for, but if um not mistaken that is canon's first apsc with ibis, they may have missed it manual input
Good idea, I just tried this, and it made it different, but did not fix it. I then played around with the setting and found that around 100mm was better, but still not prefect. It makes me think it is just the calculations they have in the firmware, and should be easy to fix.
@@markwiemels Or divide by it, I would probably also try multiply / divide by 2 in case they use the distance from centre to edge somewhere in there calculations
I use the Canon 18-135 EF-S with an adapter and have not had a single issue with stabilization
I have seen others having issues with that lens for video, no issues with ibis jumping around in video?
@@markwiemels None that I have experienced, but I don't do a lot of video
@@sgsimagery thanks for the feedback, I’m just trying to get the the bottom off all this so the information is out there, and Canon can make the camera the best it can be. So this insight is helpful.
@@markwiemels I have just done a test with video and what I have noticed is that IBIS cannot be set in the camera for video (it's greyed out in the menu) however for stills it can be set. I have taken two separate videos with IBIS set to on in the stills menu and one with it off and have found that both videos are of same quality, and I can't tell the difference between the two. What I did notice is that when you try to set IBIS in the video section - the camera pops up a message saying to use the IS switch on the lens
Wow, that is interesting. This is far from straight forward, I wonder if canon has any information about this, like is the ibis always working with the lens, or never working, and what’s the different between the video ibis and photo. Opens up a lot of questions, without obvious answers.
Thank you for all these informations ! I just used my R7 to film for the first time with it at a gig on saturday night. I mounted the 8mm f/3.5 fisheye from Samyang (with EF adaptor), and didn't check the settings, the result is HORRIBLE... I made some tests when I got back home and the image is more stable when IS is OFF...
This is a matrix stabilizer problem.
Let's take a 10-18mm lens as an example.
1. Turn on the camera menu - to record video without a lens.
2. Pull the 10-18 lens out of the camera.
3. Turn on the camera without a lens and in the settings of the matrix stabilizer set the focal length parameters for manual lenses - 10m.
4. Press the 10-18 lens against the adapter, but do not snap. And you will see how your camera will stabilize well at a focal length of 10mm.
Camera firmware 1.3.1 - manual lenses with matrix stabilizer work very well!
I think that the kenon simply does not want users to use old lenses. From a technical point of view, you can stabilize for all lenses from kenon. I claim it, as I'm an electronics engineer!
That's correct.
I've tried it with multiple lenses. It used to be horrible with the 18-35, I did a software update on the lens and it fixed it. Now I have the same problem with Tokina 11-20. When it's not fully inserted the lens works great, but if it's inserted correctly then the shaking is unbearable
I'm 100% sure it can work great if only Canon wants to do it
@@aleksandar1901 I have this same problem with my tokina 11-20 as well. so dumb that we need to do these janky work arounds. Its not like canon is even producing many good lenses at all for RF, let alone for RF-S. So many great lenses both third party and canon on the EF-S system.
There is a reason that Cinema Cameras do not use IBIS. You are using the wrong tool. Turn off IBIS and use a video head. Your Welcome:)
Generally speaking, you would use these for different applications. Different tools for different jobs.
Got to give it to these “UA-cam Pros” making videos and complaining about products with their “UA-cam Education”.
THANK YOU for this video. I have been testing the R7 with adapted Canon EF lenses (all IS enabled), and I am seeing *exactly* what you are describing -- 'IBIS fighting the lens IS.' I'm about to send my *second* R7 back to the store -- and now I know for certain how this is the right decision. I will miss the auto-leveling, but not the maddeningly blurry photos.
Also, I am seeing the same problem with manual focus fixed-focal-length lenses - R7 IBIS is non-existent at best. Meanwhile, the same lenses on an R6ii show excellent image stability.
One Sigmal lens works just fine (the only lens in my kit that isn't fighting with IBIS -- and a third-party lens to boot). In short -- the R7 as it stands right now (end of June 2023) is one big hit-or-miss that renders most of my lens kit unworkable.
I have shot Canon gear since 1973 - and apart from some low-priced EF-S kit lenses (no reason to complain), I have never been this disappointed with anything I have ever bought from them.
if it consolate you, the auto leveling only work at lower shooting rate and doesn't work with the electronic shutter neither (which is also quite bad on this body)
I don't know if this problem has been reported elsewhere, but I really appreciate the update. I've been struggling with whether to upgrade from my M6 II (which I use mostly for birds/wildlife) to the R7, mostly for the bird eye tracking and IBIS. Other UA-camrs have highlighted R7 problems with bird eye tracking and third party lenses, like the Sigma 150-600 C and Tamron 100-400 VC and even older Canon EF glass. And now IBIS. It doesn't seem like there is much reason for me to upgrade yet.
I hope you won't stop reviewing M hardware, as I don't think I'm ready to move on :) Thanks.
Still have M series stuff to come.
I have manual TTAtistan 90mm. The stabilization on my R7 works great. But! There is a very embarrassing moment. R7 forgets the lens focal length settings that were entered manually when the camera is turned off, goes to sleep and when the video / photo mode is switched, and stabilization stops working (maybe not completely stops, but at least it works 10 times worse). If you go to the stabilization menu, turn off the stabilization, press the shutter half way to begin metering, and then turn it on again - everything works again. But only until the camera is turned off or the modes are switched
Omg. Maybe this is THE problem. So even though the camera still says the correct focal length, that you have manually entered?
@@markwiemels Yes, it seems to be just a firmware error. The camera remembers the focal length, but this saved variable is not applied to the stabilization system, it is only shown on the screen. Therefore, the stabilization system must be restarted to update the focal length within the system
I think you have figured out something that canon can not. I will test this out on my camera, thanks so much for sharing.
My friend has the R7 with all sorts of lenses. No ibis problem. I think you got a faulty R7 body.
Possibly.
Maybe one has to specify the lens with crop.
So in the example case instead of a 85mm one could try 136mm (or 135mm).
(Because the IBIS comes from full frame cameras.)
Good idea, I just tried this, and it made it different, but did not fix it. I then played around with the setting and found that around 100mm was better, but still not prefect. It makes me think it is just the calculations they have in the firmware, and should be easy to fix.
I took delivery of a Canon R7 last Friday (12/16/22). So far I'm not too happy with it. It may go back to Amazon for the following reasons:
1. I have a EF 28-300 f/3.5-5.6 L. My favorite lens. It has a non-functioning IS. IBIS will not turn on, with either the lens IS switch on or off. One reason I bought the R7 was to bring IS back to this lens. So I could (a). Live with no IS on this lens. (b). Finally send the lens back to Canon and probably spend $500 plus to get it fixed. (d) Tear the lens apart and try to fix it myself. There is a UA-cam video on how to tear it down, but I don't know if I could ever get it back together again??
2. EF lenses with working IS, the IS runs all the time, until the camera goes to sleep or is turned off. This can't be good for the IS module and battery life.
3. There is no battery grip for this camera. I have big hands and a grip makes it much easier for me to hold a camera.
If I send it back I might spend a few hundred more and get a used Sony A7R IV. I know the IBIS on that camera works with any lens. I know Canon could fix the first two with firmware, but will they???
I have the A7IV and it’s a wonderful camera, highly recommend it.
@@markwiemels Mark, how do you like the autofocus using Canon EF lenses on the A7IV? Does autofocus work with video using the the Metabones adapter? I currently have a A7R II and haven't been impressed with the focus.
Canon already mentioned that the IBIS will work best with IS RF lenses. They even told that one will not have that pleasing IBIS experience with adapted EF lenses. Therefore I don't really understand why you transfer the impression that Canon didn't say anything about the current status around the IBIS topic.
I definetly recommend watching as many existing videos of this camera as (all of) you can before thinking of buying it.
Have a nice day out there and stay healthy!
The case that I am demonstrating should work, but is not.
I remember using m42 to EF adapters with a little chip that reports focal length and aperture to the camera. I THINK there was a way to program them although I never bothered. Maybe you could salvage those chips and glue them on your manual lenses. If internal reporting of focal length is all that's needed
Very interesting findings. I just got my R7 motherboard replaced after sending it to Canon (twice) for some weird sensor glitching while shooting video. I don't think canon techs really know the ins & outs of this camera yet as it seems to have a lot glaring issues in real world use vs. on paper. Something like you are pointing out in this video I really hope should be able to be fixed by Canon.
Are you using a non-canon lens. I had the same issue with a sigma contemporary lens, but after switching of the OS of the lens the problem was gone.
@@alainversluys1294 interesting! I didnt have such luck I was able to recreate the problem on multiple ef + rf lenses, as well as the sigma 18-35
I have been using the r7 with my ef-s 17-55mm 2.8 and it is producing super hand-held results. Similarly with the 70-200 f4 L USM IS lens. I dont have an issue with the combination of these older lenses and the r7 body.
That’s great to hear, I wish there was a comprehensive list out there, so we knew. Some of the popular ef lenses are totally unusable, others seem to be fine. Are these lenses working for you in both video and photo?
@@markwiemels I've only shot photos at this stage.
@@jimoryan4159 ok, thanks for the insight. I’m trying to get as much info as I can, to help the users, and Canon, understand the issue.
Hmm, I haven't had much issue with IBIS on the R7. I used the R5 for 2 years prior, and the R7 has worked flawlessly for me.
Good to hear some positive stories, thanks.
@@markwiemels Maybe it's just because I am only adapting the 500mm F4mkii onto it, which is a premium lens? I haven't tried adapting any other EF lens onto it. Didn't make much sense because the RF lineup is pretty solid now. They have great budget options now too, even for wildlife.
Wow, I was considering an R7 but not any more. There are so many things they could improve but it looks like they don't care. I have a T7i for Video, and I'm unable to find a decent Canon upgrade to do the same thing in 4K (24 or 30fps) with IBIS. Any suggestions? I was going to get the R7 but if the IBIS is useless, I may as well get the R10. Although R10 is barely an upgrade from the T7i, it has the same sensor. So that leaves me wondering if another brand would work better for me. Thanks for the video!! Canon = Frustrating . Even the RP is frustrating, it has 4K 24fps, but no proper focus..
got a a RF100-500mm, and on video mode, the issue is quite bad. I am unsure if it is the lens or the camera R7 IBIS, but if I start to film with IS on at 500 mil, the image get steady for a second or two, then it get shaky out very bad after (like in your video). Turning off like Canon suggested is not a fix nor a workaround because it is just make the issue much worst obviously, even on a tripod. I have an old Tamron 150-600, and at 600 mil and fitted the lens EF converter on the R7.... And the image is smooth stable all across. This has bothered me since I bought the camera from the week it was launched last year. Not only Canon doesn't understand this but on Canon geared forums and communities as well, theyt don't seem to comprehend the issue.
Most advanced users of the R7 have lots of issues, the users just using the kit lens say it’s fine. Unfortunately it’s not a camera for more advanced or high level user, too many problems bugs.
@@markwiemels lol that might be true, I wasn't considering myself advanced then, but I almost shoot every days since my acquisition, and I probably hit the stage where I need more advanced gears :)
I've been using the R7 with the stock 18-150 lens for a several months now and it's ruined a lot of shots. The IBIS warps the crap out of the footage. Slow, side-to-side movements while shooting interiors, building exteriors, and the background when shooting vlogs.
Hopefully Canon can improve this with firmware.
I trust you don't have auto-level turned on?
@@45Supergun Exactly.. TURN OFF AUTO-LEVEL
Long story short, canon wants us to use only their lenses, rf and ef
It is their oldest trick in the book, they done that with alternative battery units for years.
I'm going to mention something that will likely be VERY unpopular. I think what Canon keeps telling you is exactly the problem. The example you and Michael Turner shows makes this very clear to me. Canon has likely disabled IBIS with third party lenses and accessories. Regardless off whether it should or should not make a difference, it seems like that is what they did. On Turner's video he's showing us that the Mieke adaptor is having issues, on yours its the 7Artisens lenses. Canon is taking the RF and 3rd party accessories very serious this time around.
In this cases it is a dumb lens, no electronics, which is the same as Canon's own RF Cinema line. The camera has no idea what kind of lens it is, when using cinemas lenses. So the results on a Canon cinema lens will be the same.
Hi Mark, someone discovered a workaround for the non-connection lenses (samyang 8mm f3.5 for instance) it's a simple trick: set the IS in the R7 to OFF, then press down the shutterbutton halfway, release it and then put the IS on in the R7(page 8). This will start the IBIS and it will stay on untill the camera falls asleep and you wake it up again. I'm shure you already found this but just to make shure you didn't miss it.
I'm having another question though. I'm afraid it's more of a frustration. How is your experience with the R7 and the rf-s 18-155mm? Because it was very bright outside i took a picture at 150mm at 1/500th of a second. Now if you believe the 7 stops benefit canon claimes this body+lens combination gives you, it means that this shot was virtually taken at 1/64000 of a second (1/500 x 2 x2 x2 x 2 x2 x2 x2= 1/64000), right. So it shouldn't have any movement blurriness, right. Well it did! Of course i checkt if the IS was on and it was! At this moment i'm very disappointed. I'm hoping you are going to tell me what i'm doing wrong... Kind regards, Herman
I’m having issues with the 18-150 front and back focusing, with continuous shooting at higher fps. I am seeing lots of people with focus issues, and some with shutter shock under 1/250.
Using my R7 with a Tamron 24/70 2.8 and IBS is T E R R I B L E. Gonna upgrade to 1.3 but I have few hopes.
Yah, it’s a mess, I gave them all the details of the problems, they still think that they don’t have any problems.
A question: When you shot with a manual focus/contactless lens that focuses internally doe that not mean that an 85mm lens becomes a shorter focal length when it is focused very near. How does this effect how I should set the manual IBIS number. I use a Laowa 85mm macro that focuses to 2:1 without lengthening or moving farther from the sensor. If I am shooting at 2:1 is the IBIS set manually correct at 85mm or would it be closer set to 50mm or even less? The camera has no way of knowing where the lens is focused or whether that lens is focuses by extension. If I put extension tubes on the lens and focus on a subject the same distance from the camera to the subject, the version with tubes has a tighter field of view than the bare lens. Could this be affecting results with a cinema lens designed to avoid focus breathing and not being 85mm except at infinity? You said all 85mm are the same. Are they?
Thank you for pointing out this “ unpopular “ problem, i have the same feeling with my Canon R7 and EF100-400 ii, the stability seems so unstable when I was taking wildlife pictures in woodland. The IBIS isn’t reliable if you are a true Canon R7 user.
Thanks for the detailed analysis. I will watch it at least one more time to be able to understand it completely. Please update us if you additional information in the future.
I will. thanks.
When you tell the R7 the focal length for the ibis setting, do you do the focal length on the lens or the actual focal length after the crop?
First and foremost I don't make money from photography and I don't think you should mix video and photography together, it either u have a camera for photography or a video camera for video even if just for hobby. I come from 500d to 80d( I'm a canon fan boy) and think that canon is dying (with denying 3rd party lens producing any rf lens although I don't own 3rd party lens) and losing to Sony. I'm thinking of getting a full frame camera and ready to ditch canon for Sony. Canon is way behind Sony on every aspect plus with the rf mount copy right, don't get me wrong canon have every right to their intellectual property but why not canon let the other 3rd party produce the lens with a fee for every lens the 3rd party company produce. Like most ppl are saying canon gonna be the next Kodak (in the camera business side).
I have tried it with several lenses. With the Canon 70-200 2.8 and the EF 50mm STM it works well. With the Canon 10-18mm STM and the Canon 17-55 2.8 USM, it works, but not very well. But with my favorite Sigma 18-35 1.8 it is HORRIBLE. More concerning is that when it's not fully connected, it works MUCH better. This proves that it CAN BE FIXED, but if Canon wants to, we'll see. In any case it is a VERY GOOD CAMERA.
Canon just released a firmware update that dramatically improved the issues I had in this video. Try it out and see how you go, report back if you don't mind! I'm trying to keep R7 owners informed.
@@markwiemels Thanks for information!
I updated the firmware, it's the same again. I don't see any improvement.
@@markwiemels Updating the software from the lens solved the problem for me. Now it is incomparably better.
The 10-18mm has the worst effect on my Canon R7. Both stills and video has shutter shock and terrible IBIS wobble. I hope the firmware fixes it. And yes Canon team is aware of this problem on a big scale hopefully they fix it.
Did you try the 1.5.0 firmware?
09:30
can confirm that a 3rd party brand Samyang RF 85mm 1.4 AF works with the IBIS in the canon R7.
I just did a test with it selected 'on' and 'off' and there was a big difference - digital IS was also disabled.
Hope this helps others who might be considering or already have this lens!
Great info! Thanks.
Just as a note, the lenses I am talking about, and showing in the video, are fully manual lenses. All the non-stabilised autofocus lenses seem to work, which now include the Samyang 85mm. Good update, thanks.
Do these issues still exist? Some people were hoping that a firmware update would help fix the issues and so I’m curious if there has been a fix
No, still no fix.
@@markwiemels Dang. Well, thanks for making this video then.
I'm assuming you saw that Canon requires that "Release of shutter w/o lens" must be set to {Enable]?
I am new to R7, why would that have to be enabled?
Thanks
@@thedronescene7474 I believe this setting is only required to be on if you're using a prime lens with manual focus. In other words, it probably won't affect anyone using autofocus EF and RF lenses.
Amazing content actually! Do you have any experience with R7's IBIS with Sigma 18-35 and adapter?
I have had it on the camera, but have not really done any detailed testing. It's something I do need to test, my instinct is that is should be fine, but untested. Unfortunately this camera is constantly surprising me with it's bugs and flaws, so it should work, but who knows.
@@markwiemels Thanks! That's interesting. Other creators have different experiences.
Definitely a firmware bug. The way Canon support handled it is pathetic
And as pathetic the fact is that you expect good IBIS performance on 3rd party, and damn even MANUAL FOCUS lenses when the manufacturer want to sell you his own professional grade, super expensive lenses and block 3rd party...
Not mentioned yet that the R7 isnt really targeted for manual focus and videographer junkies and mostly you want good and fast tracking.
Also.... I am using the R7 with:
EF:
Canon 100-400 II
70-200 2.8 III
Sigma 50mm 2.8
Canon 100mm 2.8L IS macro
and a RF 800
Even on the 50mm sigma the IBIS works well, on the canon lenses definately better.
When you want to look for bad things at canon, you have to look at their cripple hammer and that they now block 3rd party lenses, probably also their pricing.
But i am very happy with the R7 IBIS (with my lenses!)
When we really talk about R7 problems:
- shutter shock
- rolling shutter in electronic and 4k fine video
- 32MP... dammit canon should have made a 20-26MP with much less noise... 32MP APS-C is extremely demanding for the lenses
Wow! Cool finding!!! Great Video!
Thanks!
Nice video Mark. Could you do one on cleaning camera lenses??
Great suggestion!
Hi Mark, thank you I enjoyed your videos.. really well done. Especially R7 vs X-T4.. I do mostly hiking and travel video/photos and was planning to upgrade from my old Sony A6000 and Canon GX7 II, I think I should be looking for good AF and good Ibis to start with.. therefore I was leaning towards the R7 but I would need at least a few good RF-S lenses. What would be your suggestion? Maybe wait 2-3 months and see what is coming first, better RF-S lenses or Fujifilm X-T5 with better autofocus ?
Few things. Fuji autofocus will be fine for photo, but unreliable for video, XT-5 will be better, but not at Canon level, but maybe good enough. R7 is a mess right now, great camera with no good lenses, if they release a few that fit your needs, like maybe a 16-55mm f2.8 and a nice 22mm, I would probably go that way. I personally prefer Fuji over Canon and just work with the autofocus flaws. I would try to handle both cameras in a shop and just see how you feel about them. Sony should have some new aps-c bodies, with a new sensor, in the next year, and they will be very good.
Hello Mark! So we have the X-T5 now.. how does the situation change? It doesn't seem to be a huge improvement for video but hopefully the autofocus in video should be quite a good improvement? Thanks again for your suggestions!
I totally agree. My R7 is supposed to be 8 stops of ibis but my iPhone can perform better
They just released a new firmware and it has improved my results, give it a try.
The grip of my canon r7 is fragile and makes plastic noises. When I hold my R7 it creaks in the grip. Yours too? Does your canon r7 do it too?
Just checked mine, it’s very solid, no noises, even with very heavy lenses.
Has the firmware update changed anything for you? I found my camera got worse after the latest firmware update and I use RF lenses
It has not helped, that's for sure.
My R7 has no problem with IBIS at all...
Good to hear! What lenses are you using?
@@markwiemels hey Mark! Im using sigma 18-35, sigma 24, canon 50 1.4.
@@lpassos_ what settings do you set it? IS mode and digital is?
Between the canon M50 and the M6 II , which one would you recommend mainly for photography?
The M6 mk ii is better. You have all 3 dials for your exposure: this is so much more pleasant and faster to shoot with them. Bouncing flash that can be tilted up to soften the light. I actually like the evf accessory: when mounted, it’s comfortably away from the camera body so you can use touch focus without your nose touching the screen. The grip and build quality are much better. The AF in low light situations works better. Faster shooting speed (15 fps mechanical). Better sensor. The screen also seems more accurate in terms of colours and exposure … Only thing I really prefer on the M50 is the vari-angle screen for portrait oriented shots, especially low angle. And sometimes the evf accessory is a slight bother to pack the camera in my sling bag.
imo the M6 mk 2 is the best apsc mirrorless camera (for photography) Canon has released in recent years, with the least intentional cripples. (I’m ignoring video specs obviously: e.g. i’m annoyed the AF is deactivated in 120p !)
But a camera body is nothing without good lenses. If the sigma prime trio covers all your needs, or if you have the money for high quality EF lenses, you’ll get the most out of this underrated camera, even with Canon killing this system. If it’s just for photography and you don’t mind having kinda bulky adapted EF glass, I think it’s not a bad choice.
I still love my M6. I’m keeping it. However I have started to transition to Sony specifically for 3 apsc lenses: sony 70-350, sigma 18-50 f2.8, sony 11 f1.8.
I now have the zooms and they are amazing. Way better IQ than the ef-m zooms. I prefer the ergonomics and shooting experience with my M6. But I’m getting used to the A6400 and the results are clearly better.
And since I’m starting to take more videos, I can continue to grow with Sony…
Canon needs to pay much closer attention to how the market and customers needs are evolving. The path they’re on, they will go the way of Kodak if they keep this up for much longer.
M6 for sure.
So im new to videography with this be fixed by just turning off the IS on my old EF or EFS lenses?
I believe, if you turn it off on the lens, it disables IBIS as well, but you should try it and report back.
Excellent investigation!
Thanks
Here is question for you, should the r7 cmos sencor move and i mean move. This is switched on and if i tilt camara right left or upside down the sensor moves alot and to a point sensor can be obsured. Im getting very unsharp images and its like ibis aint working. . Wish could put photo up to show you.
Yes, it moves just like that.
@@markwiemels well if not that , not sure what its issue is, doesnt focus, get error codes, acts like no lens attached. Even gets stuck trying to focus and switches off.
Images have no detail and not sharp like im shooting in low light at low shutter speed even at shutter speed 125 to 3000 and iso 100 to 800.
Its Awful yet every one says images are sharp and detailed like r6. But its like im shooting in lowlight with no IS even in good light, good shutter speeds , good f stops and great iso. . Its like i gone back 20 years in tech not new tech
I have a different problem. I’m using the Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 on my R7. When I zoom in and out the sensor jumps at every focal length marking and the footage becomes unusable.
Thanks! I will test this. Genuine adapter or 3rd party, it shouldn't matter, but just so I know for my own testing.
@@markwiemels I have tested it with Canon adapter that has the control ring and the one with without. Both the adapters
@@kiran0533 ok thanks!
I guess that the moral of the story is to use Canon lenses, and perhaps situations such as yours are what led Canon to be against using third party lenses, at least for now.
same here, good results with canon 100-400 II and RF 800, not so good with sigma telezooms...
The point of this video was that there is no issue with the 3rd party lens in my situation, the issue is the same with Canons RF cinema line.
GOAT, good info, thanks for sharing that.
Wow - I hope they can fix this with a firmware update.
They should. Canon has developed a new support system, it's more of a religious experience now. They no longer give customer support, or take into account customer feedback. Essentially you get the products they give you, and when there is a problem, you pray that they fix them.
So it is fine with RF lenses with O.S.. Might want to mention that this is with EF lenses in the title.
Yes, RF lenses are fine.
Did the 1.3.0 firmware help?
No, but I have an update video about the ibis issues. It will be live in a few hours.
This looks like a bug in firmware. It must be so frustrating to see how support seem not to get this. Or pretend not to get this to limit your lens options.
Funny, I use mine with the RF100-500 and have absolutely no problems!
Yes, those are the type of lenses that seem to be working well.
R7 ...hm....but waiting for CANON R100 launching this end of year..🙂
Yea, I'm interested to see that camera as well.
How is your experience with rolling shutter on this camera?
It's mildly bad, but not as bad as Sony APS-C. Fuji is better. Not a camera for fast action video and whipping the camera around, but in most cases it's not an issue. I'm ok with it.
Sounds like it’s a good idea to run RF glass 😅
Are you using the Canon EF - R adaptor or 3rd party?
Neither.
@@markwiemels With EF lenses?
I can't confirm this. I can shoot handheld from 100-400mm ii 1/40.
Good to hear that's working so well.
hey Mark, please check the 1.4.0 firmware for r7 , seems they just fix it!
i just test it by myself, seems it is fixed right now
Oh, please! I was about to sell the thing. I will test it. Thanks for letting me know.
Just tested. Still not fixed, same issue. Canon is awful, they don't care about their customers.
@@markwiemels strangeness. . . Because I used ttartisan 50 1.2 for testing and now ibis has no problem. Did you set the focal length correctly?
@@jiahaoshi8434 yes, I tested with 85mm. Still the same, only effects video btw.
Has Canon fixed this problem yet?
No.
I haven’t had any issues with IBIS on my R7. Maybe because I use it for it’s intended purpose, which is spots and wildlife photography.
It's really lens dependant, not use dependant. The issue is that canon has put features into the camera that just plain don't work.
Sounds like we just discovered the reason Canon locked out 3rd party RF lenses, they have a stabilization problem they can't fix!!
All these new canons are a little subjective. Better offerings elsewhere. They are only attractive for existing users who already have EF since the RF apsc is in need of help. Thanks to the tunnel vision EFM users are forced to go way back to convert EF. Why not EFM???? At leased those were made for apsc.
Canon is a closed system. Their using Apple strategy. Thanks for the info.
I wish Canon was like apple, they have thousands of 3rd party aps and accessories. They even have 3rd parties present at their major launches.
I was seriously considering getting an R7. After this though...I think I may look at Sony instead.
Canon support is useless. I don't even think they've ever used a camera before.
Can you turn off IBIS and see the effect.
Yes, is does make some difference, but not much.
@@markwiemels I see that RP does not have IBIS, but RP and RF16mm shoot VLOG by themselves, the picture is very stable and does not twitch.
@@babymixswing2269 Super wide lenses on full frame are easy to hold steady....typically.
Canon oh dear oh dear Third party companies are probably responsible lol
2 phone calls and 4 or 5 emails, all they want to do is blame a 3rd party lens or adapter. They don't have any interest in looking at the problem.
When camera is less weight why u need Ibis
Thanks
Because light weight cameras are harder to hold steady. I find bodies with a little extra weight MUCH EASIER to hold steady. I use 1DX's mainly...
Lifelong Canon shooter (50 years). Switched to Sony to be done with all this Canon lens drama.
Have Sony mounts been around near as long as Canon/Nikon? I bet if Sony would have been, they would have made a few changes in mounts over time as well. I definitely agree about locking out 3rd party being a terrible strategy for the consumer. But, the whole big body camera business has been struggling big time for the last several years due to sales and competition from the average consumer just using their cell phones. I assume that Canon is locking their system (for now) to capitalize on the $$ made from people switching to RF mount lenses. Once that tapers off and/or they stop supporting (SERVICING) EF mount glass, they'll open it up eventually. Just a hunch.
The Canon cripple hammer strikes again.🔨
WHAT A NONSENSE! Canon never said it would work perfect with EF lenses. Plus, just turn of the IS on your EF lens and it would be just as good with in body IS. The guy has no idea. Horrible review.
Unfortunately you didn’t understand the video. What was demonstrated was very clearly the IBIS not working as it should, or even as Canon had intended. Maybe you didn’t watch the video and just made a comment.
so, i assume using 50mm lens and camera IBIS - and walking & recording videos in 4k gives me completly catastrophic blurry-warps on footage ? are IBIS cooperate with constant lense like 50mm ?
This should work ok on the 50mm.