Dragon's Dogma Lore You Should Know
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- Опубліковано 26 лис 2021
- In Dragon's Dogma, there are few creatures or characters so powerful, revered, or even beloved as the Great Dragon known as Grigori. Yet we learn very little about him in any direct manner. What secrets does he hold? What was his past like? And how old is he?
Story and written by: The Pawned Pawn - / @thepawnedpawn
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I'm almost in tears. That was just what I needed this morning. You've once again knocked it out of the ballpark my friend. 😃
All thanks to you Pawn, l'm grateful for having amazing writers like you on my team.
@@The_Rift In case you're still playing, I'm desperately in need of snowy saurian skin, I still don't get it in my third run. And I need at least 20 of them to complete my armor improvement.
No you're not. You are just dickriding. It's a very simple video.
The dragons in Dogma are probably my favorite rendition of the creatures in any game. Being heroes who failed to mantle God basically, really gives a tragic and hopelessness to the setting. Everything in dogma is dying, even the one overseeing it all in need of replacing.
@Ayustria Salma what do you expect? It’s a pretty old game. Actually, when it released, it was 3-4 years ahead of any other game graphically.
@Ayustria Salma fair enough. I looked it up and it didn’t even make the list of top 10 graphically impressive games for 2012. I do have a faint memory of reading an article where the devs were able to achieve something with the ps3s capabilities that no other companies could figure out or duplicate. Maybe it was performance/optimization. It performed/ran well while not being a burden or taxing on the ps3/Xbox360 hardware. Idk. It sounded like you were dissing the game at first so I jumped to defend it. That’s my fault. I think the game looks beautiful. I’m currently playing on the switch and played way back in the day and I think the game still holds up visually.
Still, that is not so gloom as a Dark Souls
I don't think dying, just stunted.
It's clear that the Seneschal system is broken or inherently flawed. I suspect a stopgap measure for something else.
@@wannaburster It's actually extremely similar to dark souls. An eternal cycle that is likely doomed to die at the end, yet one who keeps fighting to keep the fires of life lit, even if they know they won't be able to last forever. The only difference here is one burns themselves alive while the other just sits for a long time. Well, I suppose it's debatable that DD will continue forever, unlike dark souls where the dark wins out eventually, but still. Japan really loves their eternal cycles.
The design of grigori is so classical but soo badass at the same time might be my favorite dragon design in gaming
I agree. They took a bit silly design of the dragon and turned it into something beautiful and badass while also remaining true to the heraldic goofy dragons.
They gave him the draconic equivalent of the Gigachad jaw, because he deserves only the best.
He looks frightening, almost demonic.
Do you know how long I have been waiting for the translation of Grigori's first words? It pleases me that all these years we can still get such a dedicated fan base to such a long overlooked gem of a game.
I wanted it badly too. I'd given up on it and was almost ready to declare it gibberish if not for an exchange between Jappards and Karathrax that reignited my drive.
Then it was just a matter of a few weeks, just as many online Latin dictionaries, and a lot of help from Jappards because I don't actually speak Latin...
And we arrive at this glorious mess. 😁
Same
As I had already said, grigori deserved more interaction with Arisen, even if it was just by "scar think" as in the beginning since the idea was dope
great video man^^
Heck they already had the pawns chatting your ears off the whole game. Would it have been to hard to make him say something once in a while? Then again that'd probably make fans dislike him. I think the amount of interaction was perfect in a way.
"The choice falls not to me nor to the whims of fate. Only to you Arisen. If you would face me, seek me out and I will allow it." The dragons never truly seek to destroy the world. Their only purpose is to give you a reason to fight. Become strong in will. The will to live at any cost. By sacrificing a lover. They do not have to waste time in a fight. They know if you cannot face a dragon. You cannot replace the Senechal and be what the world needs for IT to keep living.
And if you die. You assume the world is doomed to destruction. But we don't really know that. He probably just waits for the next arisen. After all destroying the world kinda goes against the point of having a Senechal to keep the world living. Etc etc.
And the thing most disturbing about all this. ... There's COUNTLESS worlds all connected by the everfall. All of them have dragons and drakes. All of them. Are arisen who failed in some form or another. None of them were able to replace the current Senechal. But he had to test them. To know if they were up to the task. And if they weren't they were sent to various worlds to find another that might.
Ok this is a good point about Grigori, in fact his few interactions with Arisen are the best in the game
Now about Everfall
I like the idea and hope they can explore more in the sequel for lore and gameplay as we see some monsters come out of there in one of the last cutscenes in gran soren this gives a variety of possibilities
I saw that more than a half of a game content were cut out before release, maybe it was that as you tell.
@@wannabursterI think that Dragon's Dogma 2 is pretty much what DD 1 was supposed to be. But this time they had enough budget to finalize their vision.
Finally i get to learn about my favorite Dragon next to Fatalis
Fatalis! Another badass dragon made by the same company
@@November1121 hell yeah
It warms my heart that people still make Vids on dragons dogma
That's the thing about Dragon's Dogma, so many kept saying "it has no story, so it sucks" it Does have a story, a VERY detailed story, they just cannot bother to search for it in-game.
Cause if they did, This is the shit they'd find.
That is also for Dark souls games unfortunately
While I like Grigori and the weird lore in this game I hope any sequel/prequel will shine a spotlight on a different dragon/senechal or maybe even present a transition/change in the endless cycle we get to experience or even take part in.
I doubt it would happen, but i want some backstory on the Ur-Dragon
@@Lokheim is Ur even cannon? I always thought if it as a raid boss
@@dauntlesstark9850 It does have voice lines if i remember correctly, and it comes out of a massive hole in the sky. Cannon or not, i wanna know it’s lore.
@@Lokheim I always took it as it was a great dragon that got lost/corrupted in the void of the ever fall becoming a horrific malformed dragon with 12 hearts
@@dauntlesstark9850 If it’s lore is as simple as that, it’s still cool. I would still be wondering how it got lost.
This kinda makes me think of grigori as a stalwart hero who grew to resent his own and was given a job he didnt want but felt obliged to carry out
Kinda makes the eternal cycle cooler because it seems like the dragon or the seneschal specifically looks for arisen that will carry out their task without question, or at least all arisen that become the dragon have this trait besides Daimon, n I wonder if they thought about how that applies to the player since we’re just gonna do what we’re told 9 times out of 10, and if this was considered when they were building the lore
Yea, in an alternate version of the script, it was intended to convey that he was stalward and duty-bound to a fault and grew to resent people who took up arms and crest, only to let their courage and resolve fail them when it mattered most. When they fled, he stood his ground. And that's what got him chosen by the Great Dragon of his time.
We intended to convey in the script that he took that attitude into his next life and became increasingly appalled and disgusted by mankinds lack of courage and apparent weakness. He had them in low regard until the Arisen from Cassardis, who fights for more than gold and fame and has a heart like Grigori's own. He meets his match but also his equal, and dies knowing he leaves the future in the care of one like himself.
What I love about Grigori is how he looks at his hand you stab.
It's like he felt that, like a bee stinging your hand.
Dragon's Bite is one of the best looking big swords I've seen
40% let this just sink in 40 fucking %
It's nice to know what Grigori says to the Arisen during the beginning of the game, I always wondered. Knowing his story makes me like him all the more, he's a complex character, intelligent, and that makes the end fight with him all the more thrilling. It's sad how becoming a dragon means becoming a puppet of the Seneschal, but if it didn't mean surrendering free will I'd definitely sign up X'D I have a question, is it true that some failed Arisen become lesser Wyrmkin? I would be a Wyvern if that is so. If not a dragon, I'd be a reaper. This was a great episode, beautifully written and narrated. The visuals are stunning as always, part of the reason why I love this chanel. Seeing this has made my night. Thank you again for another great video!
That's really nice to hear Helen! Glad you enjoyed. I also found the translations very interesting, huge thanks to Jappards and Pawn for figuring that out.
@@The_Rift That's okay! And I reckon so too. I know it isn't easy to find the lore behind these awesome characters, you guys do a pretty good job at finding the answers or offering good theories I'd definitely back. I'm really thrilled to know that Grigori's speech was translatable, I think that was great of your team to go through the effort at finding this awesome snippet of information. Thank you again!
lmao i would totally sign up too if my free will stayed intact.
Fighters and Warriors become Drakes
Striders and Rangers become Wyverns
Mages and Sorcerors Wyrms
Like mentioned in the video, most dragons keep a certain extent of freedom but don't recall their memories until their death. For the most part, they're contented to being alone until people disturb their roosts.
I feel like Grigori was not really an antagonist to the player, but more a mentor. I feel his actions were not meaningless destructions, but tests to see how far the Arisen would go and how well they would do. In a way, he saw the Arisen as a youngling with potential, and he wanted to create challenges to really bring out the potential of the Arisen, see how good they can be.
Dragon Dogma is the Most underrated Game in History
I can't believe the last time I played Dragon's Dogma was 12 years ago 😐
...I hardly reme the details of the story, only that I was incredibly moved by how poignant I thought the link between my character and their Pawn was, that their life was given so that the Pawn could experience emotions and gain humanity? 😭
This is so well done and has aged well
This is the game that gave me the most inspiration for making my game.
Ayy, what kind of game are you making dude?
@@The_Rift Something big and rich, but not gonna spoil it.
After you actually complete the game
Gergori becomes a being you want to save versus just a random mad dragon.
This game is literally
"Your actions will have consequences"
Less goo! a lore video of one of My favorite dragon of all time :D
You're doing the saint's work!
Top quality as always, TR! It's my hope in the next Dragon's Dogma, that they explore more of Grigori's backstory. They could do it in the style of the Force Memories you find in Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order. I want to know more about his life as a man, his philosophy (the eponymous Dogma) and experiences and comparisons of being both a man and later reborn a dragon, what his thoughts were about himself, the Seneschal, past Arisen, and our very own during the events of DD1.
just wow.
This video was beyond amazing, the lore of Dragon's Dogma is incredible. Excellent job!
Elegantly put my friend! Grigori will always have a place (ironically lol) in my heart as one of my most beloved characters, and all time favorite dragon. Thank you for putting more meaning in his story.
This was a masterpiece! Love it!
Awesome as always!!!
Much love, team! ❤️
Absolutely incredible work. And felt like my third eye opened when what he said at the start of the game was translated XD
It's a good thing this game lets you hug your enemies because I just wanted to give one to this poor lad.
I'm from Team Riftstone. I helped translate the wyrmspeak, took painstaking work. Glad you liked it. :)
@@the11382 Eyy, Jappards! We've talked in the Discord. Good job on the translation!
Awesome video as always!
I got the chills! Great storytelling! :-D
This is VaadiVitya level of videos, kudos! It's bonkers how it only got 14k views, it deserves a lot more.
This dragon has more life and character than alduin from skyrim. I think a big part because alduins animations were so primal and the same as other dragons whereas this one seems almost human in its expressions.
If there were ever to be a versus battle I'd like to see these two dragons Duke it out, I don't even know/remember all their feats and legends but I still like to see even if it's a one sided fight.
this was great to watch thank you
Fantastic as always!
Amazing content, as always 🤜🤛
Cheers man, it was a true group effort ✊
WHY have I not seen this? Great work, Rift!
Bad luck maybe? We've shared it around but we certainly haven't spammed it. lol
Grigori is really cool, nice video!
The fact that wyrm speak is latin is so cool.
I know dude.
I agree. It'd have been more cool to have subtitles though. That was such a headache to figure out! lol
@@ThePawnedPawn Thank you, people would probably still not know what he said if you hadn't done the work.
@@malarkeyhippie3215 And now it's just a matter of getting the word out. lol
Awesome job on this video!
David Lodge will forever be the best voice in DD.
This is my first video since subscribing. Played DD all those years back on PS3 and now recently took up arms again on the Switch.
Just finished my first run.
This game has always been high on nostalgia for me and I've always considered a bit flawed bit such a hidden gem of a great game!
Thank you for this content, it's very interesting, I've basically binged all of it!
Allows me to enjoy DD even more. I would expect you to do the same for a potential DD2?
Again, just wanted to show you my gratitude, Arisen.
Be well!
That's awesome to hear man, welcome! I can't wait to make content for DD2 one day - the Dogma community deserves a sequel.
@@The_Rift Sure does. I will honestly probably shed tears at a reveal event. Imagine one of those trailers where it's not immediately apparent it's DD but some hints give it away for the fans and then the eventual title screen confirmation. What a blessed day that would be.
Am I early? Another great video! Cheers mate :)
Grig is best drago
I'm so proud of this!
Me too man, you guys make these videos great!
That demon dragon on background in thumbnail give me a lot of tears grinding when online still in service. You should see other dragons on dragon's dogma online. They might give more lore or be significant on next game if they make one.
Very biblical and historical, Grigori a fallen angel ?!
Yeah, could be a way to look at his excistence.
If you look it that way.. the red dragon would represent satan.
But hey do we have to originate everything to the book of lies? (Bible)
I think people do that way to often.. doesnt matter what you would think off.. some clown would find a bible reference.😅
P.s. many of the wisdom is far older then that book.
Dragon dogma lore!? My impression of this game is a ghostly town and 1 guy along with 3 ai running around the town throw kick punch whoever get in their way 😅 honourable mention the deep hole that swallow 80% of the town villages
I remember wheni first played the dlc for dragons dogma and got to the failing God. Funny enough a story similar to this one was on my mind as I fought him, always considered the great dragon as much a victim of the cycle as any human.
Y’all gotta twitch or something? I wanna see y’all actually play the game
Not on twitch, but might actually do a full let's play livestream on yt soon.
Fascinating
One thing i hope is that the story/lore is a bit better represented in DD2.
It really feels like a lot of the story was missing in DDDA.
Also, great video. Im going through a lot of you lore videos. I love them!
It's not that it's missing so much as it's very well buried and hidden.
But I agree. I would welcome fewer headaches. lol
Very interesting take on the story.
It's largely guesswork using the context and clues we're given. I won't claim otherwise. What can be confirmed is stated as fact though. But the rest...it's what we're given to imagine.
reminder that the one we got was the cut down version of the og story, only 40% remained. the end seneschal was probably ending of act 1 with 3 acts in total. the true ending is the moon boss fight
One of the best Dragons in video games and one of the best battles with a Dragon in a fantasy game
Wow that thumbnail are is fantastic
I really liked the netflix version even though I don't like cgi style, but the story was pretty round with no room for a lot of theories, the red dragon curse!
I had no clue there was a Netflix series. Thanks for telling me, I cried like a bitch at the end.
Ma gad, there's another video
9000 views??? This is the sort of thing that deserves hundreds of thousands. So much effort put into the narrative and lore/storytelling just to be swept under??? Capcom should have advertised better...
I appreciate the way you guys put this together. With the information given on Grigori it’s anyone’s best guess and I like what you did with it :). I would like to reference FinalFantasy8. There were many many theories on this game. Sam I love you so much but it would surprise me if you were more familiar with what I speak of than Pawned. There was a long running theory in FF8 that Squall the lead character was dead and the majority of the game that we experienced was a dream (KIND OF) this theory was acceptable to many including myself. ( it’s my favorite way to experience that game) BUT! A very big BUT! Over time the lead developer for FF8 answered all these questions and theories. It was all bullshit! Squall never died at all :) My point with all this is. Be careful my brother, you have been so far. I really love your lore videos and I hope that one day the developers may answer all your questions in the way the developers for FF8 did.
You did a great job with this :)
Much love back John, really great to hear from you man. When it come to FF8 I'm totally clueless, so you're right. And when it come to Dogma lore, I have to lean on Pawn, Fate and Jappards with much greater knowledge than myself.
@@The_Rift you got the knowledge man. You’re super awesome at Dogma and have recognized the enemies patterns. That is a phenomenal feat that not many can notice. All that crap I mentioned is just lore nonsense. I only mentioned it to show my gratitude for how you put this video together man :)
Cheers my man, you always make my day :)
I always tought about it as the never ending cycle the arisen that fails to become god but we never saw them only as the dragon.
I so like this damn game its one of my favorit its cool to now some guys play this game
"...almost fatherly driving force..." Yeah, he reminds me of the time my own father beat me into submission then ripped my still beating heart from my chest and devoured it... good times...
what is the name of this great sword that seems to have scales? I've been looking for her in the game for a while
That's the Dragon's Bite: dragonsdogma.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon%27s_Bite
Was Savan not an Arisen as well? I always wondered about him because he is the default Seneschal you face at the end of your first playthrough!
Yes he's arisen but his pawn doesn't become human like what we did...
Strange tho
@@gitgud4737 We don't know his pawn didn't become a human. Play through offline and you'll see your old pawn too despite them being made human.
@@gitgud4737 cuz he didn't sacrifice imself
*Grigori sounds like Smaug* 😍😍😍😍
Arisen has a cruel fate...=/ God if you win, fail you become Grigori, and you demise both you become the DLC... Endless cycle...
There really isn't a happy ending for the Arisen unless they just refuse to pursue the dragon.
@@ThePawnedPawn well ashen is free from maker and curse after we beat his dragon form
He is the only arisen have good ending
How did you get all these new cutscenes????????
So why did he fail against the senechal? Also wher is that scene where the player falls and becomes a dragon? Is it edited or you can lose as well?
fun fact if you win against the senechal and use the godsbane on yourself instead of them, you get to see Girgori reborn again lol
That's not Grigori, that's you
Best Dragon ever
4:12 how do you get this cutscene? no matter what I do, he never shows up at that fortress for me.
Hmm, that's strange it's a scripted cutscene you should see every time.
@@The_Rift Was that the thing on the high wall?
Quick question, what frickin' gear is that character wearing? The one with the Rift crest. And how do I obtain it?
It's custom made by LDK.Super.Dante.
He makes amazing mods for dogma on nexus.
@@The_Rift DANG IT! I have DDDA on switch. What's the name of the armor, anyway? I'm looking it up on the nexus site.
Where did you get the translation for his first speech?
That was a multiple weeks-long effort on the part of myself, Jappards, five different dictionaries, and a whole lot of aspirin.
It was a group effort by Jappards, Pawn and others over on our discord.
I didn't even know that there are subtitles for Grigori's lines in the beginning. O.o
There aren't. That was translated the hard way.
@@ThePawnedPawn So wait, was that actual latin then? Props to whoever went through the trouble of translating that. Also props to the devs for having it there in the first place.
@@Ivotas It was.
And thanks. I lead the charge on translating it, and Jappards did most of the actual translation work and I cleaned it up to something legible. Karathrax actually inspired the drive for it and others pitched in.
We also consulted (heavily) five or six different dictionaries and two pronunciation guides.
Still took literal weeks.
And after all of it we can say that, yes, it was actual latin. lol
I suspect all wyrmkin speak latin too but I'm still not ready to try and piece it all together. They get subtitles anyway, whether or not they're wholly accurate.
To me the ending felt really unsatisfying in some regards, the Senechal and the Cycle and so on, it leaves so many questions open. Also the scene where the my female pawn was suddenly in the body of my male mc potentially hooking up with the love interest was really weird.
za game cuts 40% of original story, the real final boss is the moon in the og script
@@Illaexur Oh really? Where can i read that og script?
@@DontKnow-hr5my i forgot, but check for dragon dogma cut content this channel has one vid ab it
slave to a broken order
Dare you look upon the truth?
@@ThePawnedPawn proceed dipping periapt in liquid vim oreo style maniacally
yeheaa boi..
i have 2 wishs for DD2 that tjey keep it in gransys and it looks pretty much the same like after the dragon but tjeyve rebuilt alil with the places were cut are now a part of the map and accessible number two some kind of crafting like fallout 4 or lil more like 76 build a lil settlement anywjere call it home
Losing against the Seneschal awards you the trophy "servitude". I'd assume that means if the Arisen loses to the Seneschal he/she is reborn as the great dragon, Whose destiny is to choose another "Arisen" to challenge and defeat the dragon repeating the cycle. And if the "Arisen" beats the Seneschal he/she takes that position and as long as they live as the Seneschal the worlds are at peace... But using godsbane killing yourself repeats the cycle.. You become the dragon, Your Pawn becomes the new Arisen, And the next Pawn will take the next arisens place and so it repeats... At least thats how I understand it.
And now in dd2 he is back... well so much for the peace he so desperately deserved, nope gotta murder him another 50 times to dragon forge all my gear
GRIGOGI WAS WAY TOO EASY IN THE END
Still the most epic dragon fight in a game ever. 😁
Wait so you just made up the whole first part about a solider or what?
More or less, it's a framework based on both what we know of Grigori and of what we can reasonably piece together.
I did my best not to embellish or put in personal hot takes beyond that. It was for narrative purposes, and setting up the reveal of the latin translation.
Otherwise we know pitifully little for certain about his time before he became a dragon.
I still dont get it. Grigori is one and unique dragon or every arisen who failed to beat god become Grigori? Taking to the account that each new game after final fight we continue this eternal loop. The next question why all ppl are same in every new loop?
Add to that other worlds with their own Arisen and Dragons.
@@valder8423 you want to say that multiverse is real?
@@Grimtale I guess Bitterblack Isle kinda confirms this?
@@valder8423 I dunno, I've played DD in 2017 and barely remember anything about the plot of Bitterblack Isle.
@@Grimtale Beat this thing for the first time last weekend, so I figured that how it goes. That is why Dark Arisen area has bunch of different Arisen there. Also pawn system hints at this.
Thousandth like
Oh gosh seeong alienore in that wcene is so distracting🤬🤬
Tried Elden Ring got super bored, Dragon's Dogma has a Better rendition of magic, lore and fights eagering from the new one.
This ain't it.
The whole god thing and becoming god turned me off from the game lore. The game play was tons of fun sadly in dragon dogma 2 they plan on getting rid of mystic knights so I'm out
That isn't confirmed as far as I'm aware. Don't put much stock in unofficial leaks.
@@ThePawnedPawn there was another video watching the announcement video and said mystic Knight will be changed to that if alchemist. I hope your right and its not true
@@ExelArts I'd as soon wait until somewhere closer to release before assuming anything at least. Right now there's just a lot of speculation.
@@ThePawnedPawn fair enough
Odd part to be turned off by as it is the central pillar that gives context to all the rest of the game's themes. It is an empty shell otherwise.
Lol this was underwhelming. Not you, but the story. Makes me want to change plans about getting the new game.
Some neat details about Grigori himself:
- He was more supportive of your mission than anyone else. Despite being the primary threat of the world, he was also the one urging you to do your best.
- His access to all the high end spells implies he was a Sorcerer in his previous life. Similar case with Daimon being a Mystic Knight.
- If you sacrifice your beloved to him, he will actually just leave you alone. He's genuinely not even going to terrorize your new kingdom. The Griffon, Cockatrice and the cultists attacks were not even his doing.
- All Dragons in general will take offense if you try and refuse to participate in the Endless Chain. It's how we got Daimon to begin with. Although knowing Grigori, he's certainly going to be less of a dickhead about it than Grette.
- If you thought the Dragon's job sucked ass, imagine being the Seneschal.
I have other 4k hours in this game. I'm doing a play through right now as myself and my best friend as I'm getting into streaming and am really excited! I do no commentary so you can enjoy my gameplay and the game like a movie. I do comment in some or my games on accident. @OGGooseMave is the account.
Dragon's Dogma. The most depressing lore I've ever seen.
If you're a regular citizen, you're under threat of dying horribly to either monsters, the Brine or the Dragon itself. Somehow, it gets _worse_ when the Dragon dies. And there's no escape. This entire infinite multiverse with endless cycles is like that for the rest of eternity.
If you're the Arisen, you're even worse off. You're destined to fight the Dragon and even if you succeed, the world gets fucked over. And the endgame of it all is to overthrow and become the Seneschal, probably the worst fucking job to be part of in any video game. Don't try to take a third option and refuse the cycle either. Daimon found that out the hard way.
If you're the Dragon, you'll be spending the rest of your existence looking for someone who can kill you while you slowly lose the part of you that made you who you are, all serving a cycle that no one, not even God finds fun. Your whole existence is a reminder that you failed to bring down your Seneschal. Speaking of which...
If you're the Seneschal, you pretty much have it the worst. I mentioned their job being absolute cheeks because you're stuck in the Rift for all of eternity governing the world. You're not allowed to directly mingle with your domain since you interfering would screw the world over. And you're all alone barring your Pawn. For eternity. At least, until you get put out of your misery by the next upcoming Arisen. And pray your successor isn't a massive douchebag like the Pathfinder.
You know this world is fucked up when *DYING* is considered the _best option._