If your family is annoyed at you being intelligent (usually more intelligent than one of the parents), there may be no incentive to increase your learning so as not to piss them off. One thing I hate about these "studies" is that they only look at "well adjusted families" (which are the ones likely to participate in these studies) and do not really reflect the reality.
This was my experience as well. And actually so much so that I'm not entirely convinced giftedness isn't at least sometimes an adaptive proliferation of neuronal density in response to independently-motivated stimulation-seeking. Certainly an unpredictable environment presents a need to notice and analyze patterns. We might be born introverted but if we become intuitive it does seem to imply an environment where appearances were deceiving and maybe people couldn't be trusted.
Holding kids accountable is extremely bad when the rules they're being held accountable for following aren't rational and the so-called authorities holding them accountable aren't legitimate. Those things cannot be taken for granted. Being well-adapted to a profoundly sick society is not mental health.
Interesting. I have watched and read a few materials about gifted people. I’m not a gifted person (and I would not want to be one to be studied as a potentially useful freak of nature), but even for a non- gifted person it should be glaringly obvious that this taxonomic framework is one of the most idiotic things one could think of. Why? For several reasons, both practical and, more importantly, moral. Children and adults with these characteristics are fished out of their environments and ‘supported’. OK. But what about their communities and what about the regular schools where the ‘average’ kids’ potential (because EVERYBODY has their own potential for fulfilment of their respective talents) are left to rot with rubbish curricula, no resources, and rubbish teachers, at the mercy of their often disadvantaged social- cultural environments? What about ‘the stupid mobs’? Why do you measure IQ, anyway? Which beings me to another, equally important, point. So many clever psychologists, and it has not occurred to anyone that taxonomies are an eminently unintelligent way of working with people. Listen to this lady when she talks about ‘type 1s, type 2s’, etc.! Seriously?…Labelling theory, anyone?… People are NOT objects, for goodness’ sake, to be on anybody’s inventory of assets. Closely linked to this is another symptom of the obsessional compulsion to diagnose people. Why is it an idiotic idea? Because it employs a medical perspective. It is lazy thinking and lazy practice, designed for the benefit of the therapeutic (pharmaceutical and psychotherapeutic) industry. How about not pathologising (if that’s a word) presentations and looking holistically at a person in their complex inner and social environments? It is damn disrespectful. … but, as I said in the beginning, I am not gifted (and I’m not a psychologist), so what do I know?…
At first I felt inclined to respond, and then I noticed you may belong to the "IQ is irrelevant squad". Similar to people who reject nuclear power and then start collecting evidence against it. Or about electric cars, those claiming they can not work and will not work, despite millions of them working perfectly well all over the world. So, if you can convince me that I may have come to premature conclusions about you, we might be able to have an interesting conversation. Because this topic is indeed interesting and relevant.
If your family is annoyed at you being intelligent (usually more intelligent than one of the parents), there may be no incentive to increase your learning so as not to piss them off.
One thing I hate about these "studies" is that they only look at "well adjusted families" (which are the ones likely to participate in these studies) and do not really reflect the reality.
This was my experience as well. And actually so much so that I'm not entirely convinced giftedness isn't at least sometimes an adaptive proliferation of neuronal density in response to independently-motivated stimulation-seeking. Certainly an unpredictable environment presents a need to notice and analyze patterns. We might be born introverted but if we become intuitive it does seem to imply an environment where appearances were deceiving and maybe people couldn't be trusted.
potential has to be brot out by other people and environments and processes....most people can never bring out their full potential on their own
i was type 1 cuz i wasnt challenged, but i feel now im challenging and divergent and gifted.... im creative , but also scientific and functional
the problem is when u have prodigy level potential in literally every field and subject.....
Very true the difference between Individualist and Collectivist Society : )
Holding kids accountable is extremely bad when the rules they're being held accountable for following aren't rational and the so-called authorities holding them accountable aren't legitimate. Those things cannot be taken for granted. Being well-adapted to a profoundly sick society is not mental health.
i feel i was mostly this type 1.....and i agree if i was actually challenged, i would have been more invested in my learning....as i became in college
This is poor description of giftedness, Dabrowski & Linda Silverman are perhaps more accurate on the subject.
OK, now ...
I agree with you on this Patriot.
This is because the 1 education system was made for 1 objective: to obei
Interesting.
I have watched and read a few materials about gifted people. I’m not a gifted person (and I would not want to be one to be studied as a potentially useful freak of nature), but even for a non- gifted person it should be glaringly obvious that this taxonomic framework is one of the most idiotic things one could think of. Why? For several reasons, both practical and, more importantly, moral.
Children and adults with these characteristics are fished out of their environments and ‘supported’. OK. But what about their communities and what about the regular schools where the ‘average’ kids’ potential (because EVERYBODY has their own potential for fulfilment of their respective talents) are left to rot with rubbish curricula, no resources, and rubbish teachers, at the mercy of their often disadvantaged social- cultural environments? What about ‘the stupid mobs’? Why do you measure IQ, anyway?
Which beings me to another, equally important, point. So many clever psychologists, and it has not occurred to anyone that taxonomies are an eminently unintelligent way of working with people. Listen to this lady when she talks about ‘type 1s, type 2s’, etc.! Seriously?…Labelling theory, anyone?… People are NOT objects, for goodness’ sake, to be on anybody’s inventory of assets.
Closely linked to this is another symptom of the obsessional compulsion to diagnose people. Why is it an idiotic idea? Because it employs a medical perspective. It is lazy thinking and lazy practice, designed for the benefit of the therapeutic (pharmaceutical and psychotherapeutic) industry. How about not pathologising (if that’s a word) presentations and looking holistically at a person in their complex inner and social environments?
It is damn disrespectful.
… but, as I said in the beginning, I am not gifted (and I’m not a psychologist), so what do I know?…
At first I felt inclined to respond, and then I noticed you may belong to the "IQ is irrelevant squad".
Similar to people who reject nuclear power and then start collecting evidence against it. Or about electric cars, those claiming they can not work and will not work, despite millions of them working perfectly well all over the world.
So, if you can convince me that I may have come to premature conclusions about you, we might be able to have an interesting conversation. Because this topic is indeed interesting and relevant.
Would anyone have a transcript of this keynote speech?
Gavin SMITH-PILL I can make one for a good cause. Why do you need it?
@@secretname8587 Maybe because the speaker kept some concepts from the video....
@@secretname8587 what the hell would be a "BAD CAUSE"? What kind of a question is that. no one needs your help then.
Yea 359!
14:56 🙁 Yeah. It’s been awful.
You have no idea.