Thank you so much for pushing back against the tendency of people to see gifted people as tools to use for productivity rather than as people first. The hatred shown towards gifted people has much to do with social hierarchy needs people have combined with the conformity requirement to keep from triggering anger. It is essential for gifted people to, especially children to have access to gifted adults and their experiences.
0:49 hostility towards people we think are more advantaged (gifted) in the race to success 3:06 Cole Creek Canyon, Colorado 5:42 Gifted demonstrate outstanding levels of aptitude, in top 10% in 1 or more domains 6:23 emminent people 9:10 Lita Hollingworth 12:16 differentiated education (for gifted) 14:25 exceptionality 17:45 intelligence, clever, passionate. Intense, curious, autonomous, creative, sensitive, emotionally rich, original, multi-faceted, complex, 22:47 we don't have sams amount of abstract reasoning ability 26:12 giftedness requires accommodations to develop optimally 27:27 "if you're always trying to be normal, you'll never know how amazing you can be"
Fantastic! Mentioning the love of learning and the need for growth, that curiosity and excitement in discovery. The mentioned senior citizens who are unable to feed their active minds because of physical limitations of aging was a horrible prospect, to be infantilized and trapped in your own head, that would be a nightmare. I will have to think on this more for solutions. To die of boredom in a prison of the mind is a terrible way to go, that’s similar to solitary confinement in prisons.
“The issues faced by this group in childhood simply morph into new variations in adulthood” This is so true it made me want to laugh and cry at the same time. 😂😭 For the record, I agree with the fox 🦊
This video is so wonderful I came across with her book Upside down brilliance, on my journey of searching a better way to help my 7yr old uniqueness way to learn as I thought before now is more clear to me how can I develop an environment according to his needs with his home schooling I can not thank you enough for this video I wish I can translate it in Spanish.
I feel like what we are dealing with is the consequence of a zero sum game. There are many axises of development and a finite capacity for each individual. Development along one axis comes at a cost for others. This is the reason why the gifted are asynchronous. In reality we all are all different in different ways. The gifted are just more extreme in some dimensions.
While talking about asynchronous development, she mentioned about the difficulties testing for giftedness. It is known that understanding and execution of a skill are not causationally related. A person can be very bad something even if they understand it better than most. In regards to these cases, would you rather have someone who understand a problem designing a system to automate that problem or someone who is good at the execution of the problem, the very person the automation will replace. If we as a society want to automate more to free up time for humans, we need more people who understand than those who can execute.
Generally the person who thinks they're so good at the execution is also the one who will take the dangerous shortcuts. There's no substitute for experience, but efficiency becoming a primary motivation always introduces too much compromise. So hell yeah it doesn't just rob an endeavor of Joy it actually diminishes quality and decreases safety.
Resectfully, and maybe I'm not understanding what you mean, but there is no corporation that wants to automate to "free up more time for humans." They want to make more money. They don't give a good gotdam about worker free time. But maybe you are saying "free up time" so they don't have to pay them, then we'd be saying the same thing. 🤓
@@jenger5405 you know what's sorta interesting in the simultaneous veracity of both observations, though? Execution remains the path to understanding, so preservation of prosocial insight (that claims to be) concomitantly associated with instructive milestones (like technological elimination of some need to execute) tends to instead fabricate legitimation of falsehood into baseline cultural truth (usually by conflation). Persistence of apparent paradox is evidence of symbiotic tension. Conflict is actually as evolutionarily essential (it's not for nothing polarity is energy's most basic property) as is most people's mischaracterization of fluid adaptation. AFAICT natural selection is just the consequence of environmental constraints upon biology's refusal to be constrained.. So a person looking at that as "evolution" almost implies they're unaware an obstacle to any particular vector necessitates the development of multiple others. Technology does advance, but society only perpetually reconstitutes itself. If humankind were actually advancing itself there'd be more evidence of that in all of us IMO and maybe fewer distracted attempts at substitution in our individual situations too. I just know we preserve great art and literature precisely because as long as our average IQs continue to be 100 we'll continue to need something they can teach us. So thankfully as long as it's art and literature that doesn't threaten their wittle egos the very bright (who mislead the average and silence the much brighter) at least do recognize that much. Cooperation and mutual support are the most rational strategies so wouldn't be unachievable if that wasn't what works whether by duplicity or idiocy. You're very right about corporate externalization and commodification profiting at the expense of any party it can exploit--including stakeholders. English common law gave us the trust (a misnomer if ever there was one) from which articles of incorporation as a legal concept necessarily follow. The reason that shit works so well is because it capitalizes upon conflict being essential by setting up the venue to profit from the essence of all conflict - - disagreement or misunderstanding about the extent of an implied (or contractually expressed) trust. Bigger joke's totally on us inasmuch as we're just here to eat screw and poop like any other primate though. The ease with which another perspective misconstrues OP's humanistic one as an indication he's unaware people are stupid and greedy is actually the more valuable takeaway, and the tendency of normal-range intelligence to leave it rather than take it shows in a very practical way what's inherently abusive and invalidating about so-called neurotypical communication. Not saying that's necessarily you, only that you did walk right into a teachable situation that's a particular topic of Dr. Silverman's work. It isn't as if gifted people can't abuse each other, and certainly one of the bigger ways we do that is by pretending it's a gift. Way too many strings and way too much evidence it's an adaptation for that. But for the record in cases where the other guy is a dumbass knowing he can't help it doesn't make pervasive invalidation any less abusive or tedious. I daresay it's the real exemplar of microaggression, and the ability to roll with it rather than project it onto our oppressors demonstrates the second most frequently-cited resiliency buffer against psychopathology (IQ) paying the giftedness tax high IQs pay for being surrounded by stupids. High IQ is probably more effective than social support but less common, so explains I think why social support is more frequently-credited with keeping people's sense intact. Duplicitous social "support" was the threat against which I couldn't have afforded my stupidity though, and doubt I'm without substantial company among whom that statistic for normal range individuals is misleading... like most of what they do. "They who have put out the people's eyes reproach them of their blindness" JMilton, 1643
@REGjr so, you took about a million words and way too much time out of your life to tell I was condescending and rude, which in itself condescending and rude. LMAO!
Many people cannot accept the gifted for who they are because this would require them to accept themselves for who they are, and we cling to our status as our identity and self-worth.
I've been thinking about the 'upper-class' giftedness skew. If we add 'middle-class' to this then we have data that matches what we see. Class is a little different in the UK. However, epigenetics does drive up the chances of a kid manifesting giftedness. If we factor in millennial opportunities and coupling choices, then we see a future separation of 'giftedness, IQ, drive and higher ability' vs working classes. In other words, It seems the working classes will not have a higher amount of gifted kids, rather the number will decrease over generations (in the developed world).
28:56 definitely true. Re your comment about suspicion of outsiders. Much of the challenge comes from the desire to crush those talents or that "outsiderness". Where proliferant neuronal density is in utero an anticipatory adaptation I think it's reasonable to infer gifts that are probably going to be exploited against someone will nonetheless be the wits by which they'll need to survive. At least that's damn sure how it's turned out for me
If the world were to recognise our difference as variations in developmental experiences and neurological typology, at some point the DSM and the whole pahtology-based paradigm would have to be called into question. Recognising our difficulties and not just our so called advantages is so threatening to the status quo in the social care and mental health field. For starters it implies that every so-called dis/abled person has unseen strengths, a truth that is slowly finding its way into the social care work professions.
My IQ is currently 128. I'm intrigued to see the variation in a retest. I do have neurodivergence & can see my IQ or cognitive abilities vary even by the time of day. I am also highly prone to typos which gives a false impression. I've benefited greatly by meeting others. I'd love those extra 2 points)
wonderful and rich conference, thx for the sharing ! Linda at the end of the conf was speaking about a game for gifted children, I understand "invented by "Marian"", a dutch woman, who was there during Linda's conf . Has somebody got the reference of it please ? Did not succeed in finding it on the web, despite a long search ;) TYSM in advance #askforhelp
18:18 that's how you know the observer was intellectually constrained. Bribes imply obligation. Gifts do not. But it's not a gift anyway it's an environmentally mediated response that begins in utero. Temperament (introversion vs. extraversion) is the only inborn personality trait, though how we are socialized can definitely change that. Per fMRI introversion is increased neuronal density, and per uncommon sense extraversion is the adaptive solicitation of information from the environment. We all use extraversion but those who can figure shit out on their own don't need it as much. This is why falsehoods become legitimised into the dominant prevailing "knowledge" of majorities. Pseudotruths thereby become cultural baseline truths from which it is very difficult even for a gifted person to see beyond without giving particular consideration to what he's accepted as objective truth. I can think of several instances of Einstein reaching incorrect conclusions as a result of taking appearances and cultural narratives at face value. He was all over the place about the existence of god-- which was probably public relations pandering if it wasn't his own wishful thinking. But his inculcated narrative was being one of a made-up god's so-called "chosen people", so I doubt it was going to occur to him the reason the ashkeNAZIm and sephardim were not down with christmas is because they could see any woman who concealed her likely infidelity or possible rape with a story about getting knocked up by an angel induced a messianic delusion. At least if she was unsatisfied to misrepresent the child as the son or daughter of an angel. Yup, see how that worked. And where there was a significant contingent insisting a grave robbery is a "resurrection" what would we expect the group who first gave us assignation of culpability for sacrifice to another living thing to do? That's right,, showcase mental illness in gaslighting bibletexts by way of suggesting Jacob's depravity was some sort of morality tale or putting a positive spin on Abraham's full-blown filicidally delusional psychosis. So of course it became a tradition of agnostic entitlement to exploit the goyim, though the values have predictably pervaded Western society by way of christianity. Having almost certainly excluded him in childhood for being only half-Khazar is the only plausible explanation for where AdolfH even got his weird mastarace obsession and resentment against that particular group. The issue has never been a shortage of genius. Evolution handicaps us with our mammalian emotions so that we will refuse to see we're just here to eat screw and poop like any other organism. Otherwise the average IQ would be 150 or I guess reptilians would be real.
47:52 LOL yeah no kidding. After making an excellent point about giftedness being abstract "what is unseen" even here "I know it when I see it" was part of answering the previous question lol. Somebody thinking too concretely will cite that as an example of charlatanry. Actually it occurs to me that if they use that word they're just biased but seriously someone with less intellectual capacity would look at that as a contradiction rather than catching-on to the imperfection of quantifiability
I have an autistic nephew who has been mis-educated so bad that I almost think it was criminal. He is an adult who sits around doing nothing all day. He lived with me for a while and I did make him get up and do things. If I could explain to him what I wanted him to do I was amazed at the speed and accuracy in which he could do what I asked of him. I believe he has audio problems. I know he hears very well but he has difficulty listening. Emotionally he is very sensitive but he is not emotionally immature. But what makes me the maddest of all is that he was advanced as a baby talking crawling sitting up and walking early then one day at 18 months he received a vaccine. The next day he could not walk, sit up or talk and he screamed in agony for 6 months. I could go on but I will stop here.
Thank you so much for pushing back against the tendency of people to see gifted people as tools to use for productivity rather than as people first. The hatred shown towards gifted people has much to do with social hierarchy needs people have combined with the conformity requirement to keep from triggering anger. It is essential for gifted people to, especially children to have access to gifted adults and their experiences.
This is absolutely fascinating! So happy to have found you Linda!
Eminence can be inside oneself. The rise of intelligence can rise inside a person. The highest study is study of the self
0:49 hostility towards people we think are more advantaged (gifted) in the race to success
3:06 Cole Creek Canyon, Colorado
5:42 Gifted demonstrate outstanding levels of aptitude, in top 10% in 1 or more domains
6:23 emminent people
9:10 Lita Hollingworth
12:16 differentiated education (for gifted)
14:25 exceptionality
17:45 intelligence, clever, passionate. Intense, curious, autonomous, creative, sensitive, emotionally rich, original, multi-faceted, complex,
22:47 we don't have sams amount of abstract reasoning ability
26:12 giftedness requires accommodations to develop optimally
27:27 "if you're always trying to be normal, you'll never know how amazing you can be"
Fantastic! Mentioning the love of learning and the need for growth, that curiosity and excitement in discovery. The mentioned senior citizens who are unable to feed their active minds because of physical limitations of aging was a horrible prospect, to be infantilized and trapped in your own head, that would be a nightmare. I will have to think on this more for solutions. To die of boredom in a prison of the mind is a terrible way to go, that’s similar to solitary confinement in prisons.
Thank you goodness for this beautiful beautiful presentation about giftedness ! And for the part about false positives & negatives ! Thank you 😊
36:30 question time
41:26 if I see giftedness, I know what I'm seeing
55:20 asynchronous child is a gifted child. Asynchronous development
Lovely, Lovely sharing. Thank you very much for your excellent speech.
“The issues faced by this group in childhood simply morph into new variations in adulthood”
This is so true it made me want to laugh and cry at the same time. 😂😭
For the record, I agree with the fox 🦊
Brilliant talk!
This video is so wonderful I came across with her book Upside down brilliance, on my journey of searching a better way to help my 7yr old uniqueness way to learn as I thought before now is more clear to me how can I develop an environment according to his needs with his home schooling I can not thank you enough for this video I wish I can translate it in Spanish.
I feel like what we are dealing with is the consequence of a zero sum game. There are many axises of development and a finite capacity for each individual. Development along one axis comes at a cost for others. This is the reason why the gifted are asynchronous.
In reality we all are all different in different ways. The gifted are just more extreme in some dimensions.
This is mathematically incorrect
This is a wonderful video.
While talking about asynchronous development, she mentioned about the difficulties testing for giftedness. It is known that understanding and execution of a skill are not causationally related. A person can be very bad something even if they understand it better than most. In regards to these cases, would you rather have someone who understand a problem designing a system to automate that problem or someone who is good at the execution of the problem, the very person the automation will replace.
If we as a society want to automate more to free up time for humans, we need more people who understand than those who can execute.
The people who understand ultimately have to execute though...
Generally the person who thinks they're so good at the execution is also the one who will take the dangerous shortcuts. There's no substitute for experience, but efficiency becoming a primary motivation always introduces too much compromise. So hell yeah it doesn't just rob an endeavor of Joy it actually diminishes quality and decreases safety.
Resectfully, and maybe I'm not understanding what you mean, but there is no corporation that wants to automate to "free up more time for humans." They want to make more money. They don't give a good gotdam about worker free time. But maybe you are saying "free up time" so they don't have to pay them, then we'd be saying the same thing. 🤓
@@jenger5405 you know what's sorta interesting in the simultaneous veracity of both observations, though? Execution remains the path to understanding, so preservation of prosocial insight (that claims to be) concomitantly associated with instructive milestones (like technological elimination of some need to execute) tends to instead fabricate legitimation of falsehood into baseline cultural truth (usually by conflation).
Persistence of apparent paradox is evidence of symbiotic tension. Conflict is actually as evolutionarily essential (it's not for nothing polarity is energy's most basic property) as is most people's mischaracterization of fluid adaptation. AFAICT natural selection is just the consequence of environmental constraints upon biology's refusal to be constrained.. So a person looking at that as "evolution" almost implies they're unaware an obstacle to any particular vector necessitates the development of multiple others. Technology does advance, but society only perpetually reconstitutes itself. If humankind were actually advancing itself there'd be more evidence of that in all of us IMO and maybe fewer distracted attempts at substitution in our individual situations too.
I just know we preserve great art and literature precisely because as long as our average IQs continue to be 100 we'll continue to need something they can teach us. So thankfully as long as it's art and literature that doesn't threaten their wittle egos the very bright (who mislead the average and silence the much brighter) at least do recognize that much. Cooperation and mutual support are the most rational strategies so wouldn't be unachievable if that wasn't what works whether by duplicity or idiocy. You're very right about corporate externalization and commodification profiting at the expense of any party it can exploit--including stakeholders. English common law gave us the trust (a misnomer if ever there was one) from which articles of incorporation as a legal concept necessarily follow. The reason that shit works so well is because it capitalizes upon conflict being essential by setting up the venue to profit from the essence of all conflict - - disagreement or misunderstanding about the extent of an implied (or contractually expressed) trust. Bigger joke's totally on us inasmuch as we're just here to eat screw and poop like any other primate though.
The ease with which another perspective misconstrues OP's humanistic one as an indication he's unaware people are stupid and greedy is actually the more valuable takeaway, and the tendency of normal-range intelligence to leave it rather than take it shows in a very practical way what's inherently abusive and invalidating about so-called neurotypical communication. Not saying that's necessarily you, only that you did walk right into a teachable situation that's a particular topic of Dr. Silverman's work. It isn't as if gifted people can't abuse each other, and certainly one of the bigger ways we do that is by pretending it's a gift. Way too many strings and way too much evidence it's an adaptation for that. But for the record in cases where the other guy is a dumbass knowing he can't help it doesn't make pervasive invalidation any less abusive or tedious. I daresay it's the real exemplar of microaggression, and the ability to roll with it rather than project it onto our oppressors demonstrates the second most frequently-cited resiliency buffer against psychopathology (IQ) paying the giftedness tax high IQs pay for being surrounded by stupids.
High IQ is probably more effective than social support but less common, so explains I think why social support is more frequently-credited with keeping people's sense intact. Duplicitous social "support" was the threat against which I couldn't have afforded my stupidity though, and doubt I'm without substantial company among whom that statistic for normal range individuals is misleading... like most of what they do.
"They who have put out the people's eyes reproach them of their blindness" JMilton, 1643
@REGjr so, you took about a million words and way too much time out of your life to tell I was condescending and rude, which in itself condescending and rude. LMAO!
Many people cannot accept the gifted for who they are because this would require them to accept themselves for who they are, and we cling to our status as our identity and self-worth.
They'd feel inferior(jealous)
Thank you for posting this!
I've been thinking about the 'upper-class' giftedness skew. If we add 'middle-class' to this then we have data that matches what we see.
Class is a little different in the UK.
However, epigenetics does drive up the chances of a kid manifesting giftedness. If we factor in millennial opportunities and coupling choices, then we see a future separation of 'giftedness, IQ, drive and higher ability' vs working classes.
In other words, It seems the working classes will not have a higher amount of gifted kids, rather the number will decrease over generations (in the developed world).
28:56 definitely true. Re your comment about suspicion of outsiders. Much of the challenge comes from the desire to crush those talents or that "outsiderness". Where proliferant neuronal density is in utero an anticipatory adaptation I think it's reasonable to infer gifts that are probably going to be exploited against someone will nonetheless be the wits by which they'll need to survive. At least that's damn sure how it's turned out for me
If the world were to recognise our difference as variations in developmental experiences and neurological typology, at some point the DSM and the whole pahtology-based paradigm would have to be called into question. Recognising our difficulties and not just our so called advantages is so threatening to the status quo in the social care and mental health field. For starters it implies that every so-called dis/abled person has unseen strengths, a truth that is slowly finding its way into the social care work professions.
My IQ is currently 128. I'm intrigued to see the variation in a retest. I do have neurodivergence & can see my IQ or cognitive abilities vary even by the time of day. I am also highly prone to typos which gives a false impression. I've benefited greatly by meeting others. I'd love those extra 2 points)
(I would also like to be tested like a child rather than IQ tests for adults in test situations - test conditions turn my brain off)
Holding gifted people back will not enhance the lives of the mentally or physically disabled.
So true, what she said.
The world need to learn from Americans what the practice of excellence mean. You own sense of growth from yesterday to todat
You must miss your Fix… we use to have a Duck that visited us back in Boca Raton… we missed her a lot❤
wonderful and rich conference, thx for the sharing ! Linda at the end of the conf was speaking about a game for gifted children, I understand "invented by "Marian"", a dutch woman, who was there during Linda's conf . Has somebody got the reference of it please ? Did not succeed in finding it on the web, despite a long search ;) TYSM in advance #askforhelp
Maybe you could write an email to the association and ask?
@@INW-xf7xu thx for your answer dear
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18:18 that's how you know the observer was intellectually constrained. Bribes imply obligation. Gifts do not. But it's not a gift anyway it's an environmentally mediated response that begins in utero. Temperament (introversion vs. extraversion) is the only inborn personality trait, though how we are socialized can definitely change that.
Per fMRI introversion is increased neuronal density, and per uncommon sense extraversion is the adaptive solicitation of information from the environment. We all use extraversion but those who can figure shit out on their own don't need it as much. This is why falsehoods become legitimised into the dominant prevailing "knowledge" of majorities. Pseudotruths thereby become cultural baseline truths from which it is very difficult even for a gifted person to see beyond without giving particular consideration to what he's accepted as objective truth.
I can think of several instances of Einstein reaching incorrect conclusions as a result of taking appearances and cultural narratives at face value. He was all over the place about the existence of god-- which was probably public relations pandering if it wasn't his own wishful thinking. But his inculcated narrative was being one of a made-up god's so-called "chosen people", so I doubt it was going to occur to him the reason the ashkeNAZIm and sephardim were not down with christmas is because they could see any woman who concealed her likely infidelity or possible rape with a story about getting knocked up by an angel induced a messianic delusion.
At least if she was unsatisfied to misrepresent the child as the son or daughter of an angel. Yup, see how that worked. And where there was a significant contingent insisting a grave robbery is a "resurrection" what would we expect the group who first gave us assignation of culpability for sacrifice to another living thing to do? That's right,, showcase mental illness in gaslighting bibletexts by way of suggesting Jacob's depravity was some sort of morality tale or putting a positive spin on Abraham's full-blown filicidally delusional psychosis. So of course it became a tradition of agnostic entitlement to exploit the goyim, though the values have predictably pervaded Western society by way of christianity.
Having almost certainly excluded him in childhood for being only half-Khazar is the only plausible explanation for where AdolfH even got his weird mastarace obsession and resentment against that particular group. The issue has never been a shortage of genius. Evolution handicaps us with our mammalian emotions so that we will refuse to see we're just here to eat screw and poop like any other organism. Otherwise the average IQ would be 150 or I guess reptilians would be real.
🙏🏼 #Therapy
47:52 LOL yeah no kidding. After making an excellent point about giftedness being abstract "what is unseen" even here "I know it when I see it" was part of answering the previous question lol. Somebody thinking too concretely will cite that as an example of charlatanry. Actually it occurs to me that if they use that word they're just biased but seriously someone with less intellectual capacity would look at that as a contradiction rather than catching-on to the imperfection of quantifiability
Kk, Fuzzies, what do you think about being said?
I have an autistic nephew who has been mis-educated so bad that I almost think it was criminal. He is an adult who sits around doing nothing all day. He lived with me for a while and I did make him get up and do things. If I could explain to him what I wanted him to do I was amazed at the speed and accuracy in which he could do what I asked of him. I believe he has audio problems. I know he hears very well but he has difficulty listening. Emotionally he is very sensitive but he is not emotionally immature. But what makes me the maddest of all is that he was advanced as a baby talking crawling sitting up and walking early then one day at 18 months he received a vaccine. The next day he could not walk, sit up or talk and he screamed in agony for 6 months. I could go on but I will stop here.
people in the crowd is not gifted
They might have a gifted child or friend that they would like to understand better. You don’t have to be gifted to be interested.