Get you a cold steel gladius and make the serration on one side sweep towards the tip of the sword and the other side sweep towards the guard and see what cuts bet love your and shads channels
Lorewise, the existence of "Trick Weapons" is due to the fact that Hunters are fighting Beasts, which are as terrifying to fight, as they are plenty and "diverse". Having a weapon that can become one of two things, within a fraction of a second, is what makes it so crucial to fight them. Using the example of the Saw Spear, the closed weapon mode allows for fast, and versatile fighting that is akin to hand-to-hand combat, making it easier for players to quickly attack and retreat, whereas the opened mode of the Saw Spear is slower but allows you to fight at a slightly longer range and the ability to deliver VERY powerful charged attacks for dealing with tougher oponents.
I was just thinking the closed version would be better for putting a lot of your own force into it. For example, if you actually DID want to saw through something, you'd want your hand as close to it for direct pressure as possible. vs taking a swing, you would probably want to almost always extend it, unless you're already closed in on and trying to get your arm up between you and the horrible monster dog thing.
Dont forget ghermans burial blade is the basis for every other workshop weapon. And in that specific case it makes sense to be able to switch from a curved sword to tthe scythe for either changing due to the beasts youre fighting or the space available.
If I remember correctly, the one-handed forms, especially the swords, are meant to deal with ‘people’ while the two-handed forms deal with proper beasts.
7:10 "That would cause horrifying, visceral damage." No, no, you need to set up the visceral attack with a charged backstab or a counter with the lefthand gun.
@@DC-hw7fw Not even the Hunters, which are supposed to protect the normal people. They can go drunk by blood and even turn into one of the beasts themselves
I like to imagine the cutting tests are fairly accurate to how Gherman convinced the original hunters to start using trick weapons. Shad’s visible confusion is priceless.
I can almost imagine the visuals of this. Gherman standing in a gallery in front of several other hunters. He’s got one of them testing these weapons and the group is so confused on how these trick weapons are working so well.
The thing with the closed position for close quarters is that the enemies in Bloodborne are SUPER fast, so having to fight something literally within six inches of you isn't uncommon.
@@geoshark12The issue with the spear in that universe is that you're fighting things that can be stabbed through and keep going so they could, theoretically, grab the spear/you after you stabbed them through, because the stab wouldn't mean that much to them.
Precisely. Although impractical, the whole point of the default/folded mode of the saw weapons and Hunter’s axe are for more speed and personal fighting. They are close range, and quick. It may not deal as much damage per hit, but it makes up for it with damage over time, which is valuable in a game that rewards fighting back upon taking damage (in order to regain the lost health). Logically, it’s impractical. Lore and gameplay-wise, it’s a must have, especially when you can combo into your trick.
@@aeis3007Indeed. The point of the game is to cleave and tear apart the relentless beasts until there is zero sign of life or at least zero threat, akin to Necromorphs in Dead Space that don’t stop “living” even when reduced to a pile of limbs. Don’t get me started on the immortal vile bloods…
@@aeis3007that actually presents another good reason for the weapon to be able to change, because theoretically as long as you have enough range of motion to change the weapon back you can actually catch the enemy on the inside of the blade
About the size in confined spaces: kind reminder it's to be used against beasts that are probably launching themselves at you, the confined space is because you have a 3m tall werewolf in your face.
@@tabull8180I mean the hunters are basically superhumans in themselves, plus as someone has mentioned the protagonist of Bloodborne killed the equivalent of a ten foot tall Cthulhu
A reason you might be surprised the serrated edges work so well is because factory serrated edges suck. I got a knife with serrated edges and I got a file set small enough for knife serrations so after I sharpened it, it was scary sharp. Not just freshly sharped sharp but more this has no right being this sharp. Beyond that serrated edges are surprisingly efficient.
@@giffica the talk of repairing serrated blades remind me hugely of Monster Hunter's Seregios weapons. Literally exactly the ideal self-fix serrated weapon.
Also, you have to look at the weapon, not from the perspective of fighting somebody with armor, but for fighting monstrous beasts. Hunters are trained and armed to fight creatures like mutated werewolves and stuff.
Bloodborne weapons absolutely make sense. Basically throw together all of the most dangerous crap you could find in the victorian era gutters and back alleys and you got some weapons and equipment. That is how Bloodborne weapons male sense
Tyranth wtf that looks so sick, and very lore accurate looking too. Super detailed and faithful to the game! I love soulsgames, this was sick thanks guys
12:07 I don't think there is a "most" practical, by realistic standards, buuut... It's definitely one of following: -Blades of Mercy: literally a pair of dual daggers that use magnetism to fit together. Kinda in the same vibe as the "Chinese Butterfly Swords". -Hunter Axe: a tacticool battleaxe that extends to the length of a polearm. -Reiterpallasch: literally inspired by historical weapons wherein a flintlock pistol is the handle for a duellist's rapier. -Rifle Spear: a spear that turns into a rifle with bayonet. Honourable mention -Rakuyo: a thin sword whose pommel can fit a dagger. It doesn't seem like it would be at all easy to use when both blades are together, but separated it's a whole different story. Sword and dagger is a pretty good combination of weapons. If I could "revise" that weapon, I'd make it so the handle of the sword was hollow and could fit the dagger's blade, so you'd instead have a sword with a larger handle when both blades are combined, rather than running the risk of stabbing yourself with the unprotected dagger.
@@StahortheDark I mean... practical if you are a superhuman. I think that from a standard human's point of view, it is impossible to wield a Kirkhammer.
Hunters in BB are superhuman. They are superhumanly strong, superhumanly fast, and superhumanly durable. It may not appear that way, in game, but that is done simply for gameplay purposes. It's similar to the new GOW games and how Kratos isn't creating cracks in the earth with each step he takes but has to instead use a chain to climb up 10 feet. Just watch the Gehrman boss fight and that is only a small illustration of their capacity. But again, that is still vastly toned down for gameplay purposes. Hunters are immensely powerful beings, and even the lore states that firearms technology is so ineffective against larger beasts, that hunters had to take up massive blunt or bladed instruments to kill their prey. Think about how utterly dangerous these weapons would be in the hands of superhumans, and now you know why they look and function the way they do.
Basically this. It's very worth noting that these weapons were designed for people who've been given cursed supernatural blood from a literal eldritch god, and are used to fight beasts born from that same blood. It's also worth noting that this blood itself is the most valuable currency in Bloodborne's world, so weapon design that promotes spilling as much blood as possible was very encouraged.
Choking a spear in close qualter deserves more investigation. That left almost a meter of spear shaft behind which if you were maneuvering in close qualters there's a high chance the butt of the shaft could hit a wall, table, colums or other stuff, disrupting your aim, missing a parry or strike
I am by no means an expert, but (western) spear technique is all thrusts; no swinging or slashing. Thrusts are very controlled and linear. You aren't likely to hit the shaft of the spear against the wall if you are facing parallel to the wall. Only if your back was against the wall would that be an issue, but in that case, dropping the spear and drawing a sword will be easy enough in a moments time.
@@RealLifeIronMan Try playing the game. First time you get stuck in a corner with a werewolf literally grabbing you by the shoulders and ripping your face with its teeth, you'll understand now non viable a normal spear or drawing from a traditional sheathe would be.
@@RealLifeIronManGood points in general but not here. Beasts do not die unless drained of blood and regenerate constantly, hence why you want wide mangled wounds. Piercing is ineffective as it creates small clean holes (bullets are useless unless the hunter reaches into the injury and rips); even with the saw spear, you only want to stab to finish the target off as the beasts are so fast that you always need your weapons to be free. Swords are used against newly scourged people and are not going to work against anything that can corner a hunter.
shad has a multitude of helmets he can wear to protect his head from a weapon that could easily bounce back at his head yet decides not to wear them. Some would call him a fool. I call him a real man XD
I was legitimately waiting for the blade to come off and go whistling over your back fence and crash through their back door. Yes, I trust Tyranth's builds...usually. I want to see the scythe next, because that would be my choice in a real fight.
One kind of attack in the game is when you use the transformation of the weapon AS the attack. Idk how hard it would be to make a mechanism like that, but its like spring loaded or something and can spring open and that motion is used to simultaneously transform the weapon and attack in a single motion, and can be part of a combo. Also the serrated weapons are specifically used on the beasts in the game (Or at least were designed to fight them, lore wise) and do bonus damage to beasts, who do not wear clothes.
regular flip blades either utilize a bar locking mechanism(no idea what's actually called, it's literally a metal bar that runs the length of the handle) or a holding pin lock. It requires the blade itself to be designed around the concept which can be a mechanical challenge on how much material you'll need so it doesn't shear off or wear out too quickly as well as whatever is locking it into place being thick enough to counter the weight of whatever is hitting it. Certainly doable, but will add weight, not to mention keeping the blade stable enough so it doesn't wobble and stays relatively straight enough to lock into it's marginally safer collapsed position...
One of the big gameplay reasons for the transforming weapons is that the collapsed version can be used with one hand, allowing the hunter use a firearm in their offhand.
Additionally, even if that point was rendered moot by some Trick Weapons being already one-handed in either form, the extended mode typically offers either more range or damage at the expense of speed, handling or both.
Sooo... burial blade when? this was awesome though. nice work lads! EDIT: for the transformation of the weapon, gameplay wise they enable the player to string together different attacks and pull off more combos when attacking. the folded position on the saw spear also allows the player to swing the weapon faster and do bigger wind-up berserk attacks faster. as for weapons like the saw cleaver, the folded position matters on what youre fighting. in the videogame the serrations actually do additional damage against beasts, causing more bleeding. so lore wise, the reason why a hunter would switch between the two is not only the attack style, but to defeat beasts more efficiently. not only that, but most weapons in their folded (un-transformed) state can more easily be held in a one hand. this frees up their other hand for a firearm that hunters will carry. be it a blunderbuss, flintlock or even a cannon. another thing about the different hunter weapons; some weapons when transformed can change the weapon entirely! an example is the burial blade i mentioned above, its a curved sword until you transform it into a scythe. another example is the kirk hammer. longsword when one handed, giant two handed maul when two handed.
I think the serrations were also to ensure the weapon's cuts weren't "too clean" and make it harder for beasts to regenerate. (Beasts don't actually regenerate in-game, but they do take 20% more damage from serrated weapons) I think I remember Matt Easton reading an account of a british soldier fighting a middle-eastern tribesman, wherein the tribesman is described as holding his curved sword with his right arm, with the back of the sword against his left forearm, then rushing through a crowd into grappling range, too close for the british soldiers to use their rifles or draw their sidearms, and then repeatedly slashed them across the chest. Makes me think of the beasthunter saif, and how in-universe hunters would have to fight amid streets more crowded than the PS4 could actually render, and get into grappling range against werewolves and such.
Thanks for the video, I really enjoyed it and it looked like Shad really enjoyed filming. Here is the usual support for channel growth and I hope you guys have a great day.
Bloodborne weapons are badass. Can you try something like the kirkhammer or ludwig's holy blade where the sword sticks into a stabbard like hole into another weapon piece transforming it? I would love to see that!
There is knifemakers that use serrations on certain knives that cut very very well if done properly it's pretty surprising I'm not a serrations person myself but I've seen them do some amazing things on knives
You all need to do two things next: 1) Try making a Threaded Cane next. I love that weapon and would love to see someone attempt to make a real life version. 2) Make Shad play Bloodborne. It's so awesome and it's what I'm playing to kill time before the Elden Ring DLC drops.
My reasoning for the closed position is carrying it, because you’re climbing up down , pulling levers etc . And the city is absolutely filthy which can gunk up mechanisms. But having the ease of carry is worth it if in a pinch the weapon can be used while closed Tldr the closed fighting style was intended as a last resort if you couldn’t unfold the weapon in time for a fight but the need for ease of carry out weighed the benefits of removing the mechanism
Like with most other weapons the saw spear becomes two-handed in its transformed state, preventing the use of a firearm in the off-hand. Hunters tend to prefer fighting in the closed state and switch to the spear when the situation requires.
Two things about the sawspear and the saw type trick weapons in general. The sawspear is (depite the name) still more of a swinging weapon than stabbing so there is *potentially* an argument for using the folded state in the alleys. As for the serrations, as mentioned it is to get as much blood as possible, and also they are fighting either completely or mostly unarmored enemies. So itll still catch but not *as* bad as if it were being used against armor.
I think Shad is so impressed by how well the serrations work because of the targets they are using. Plastic bottles only have structural integrity in the surface. If you cook, you know that things with tough skin and soft insides (like tomatoes) are best cut with serrated knives. With straight edged knives you get the same experience cutting tomatoes as cutting water bottles: a very steep drop off in cutting performance once the blade dulls. You probably would have had a different experience if you tested these against pool noodles (or meat/ meat analogues).
That curved handle is really interesting to me, my immediate thought when looking at it is that the handle is more like an axe handle. Would be very interested to see a normal straight sword with that curved hilt to see what you would do with it!
Serrations are somewhat sensitive to the shape. A saw-like 'N'-type serration can get stuck, but a bread-knife 'W'-type serration much less so. Also, a saw has thick, non-beveled teeth since its function isn’t to cut, but to impact-break fibers by tearing a small piece out. If the serrations are beveled, they are much more likely to cut (which you don’t want in a saw, since it needs to make space for itself or it will jam). Interestingly, water bottles is probably an ideal medium to cut with a serrated edge, as it outperforms a straight edge on material with a tough but flexible outer 'skin' but interiors that don’t provide much support structurally. Like tomatoes… or giant insects (probably). But it would probably get seriously lodged if cutting into bone with some power.
In regard to the serrations, remember that these are beast-hunting weapons and so are not meant to deal with armor or really even clothing. The beasts are weak to bleeding so the weapons want to make them bleed as much as possible; so they are meant to rip and tear more than cleanly cut or stab.
If i'm recalling my lore correctly, as well as the blood bathing the hunters use to heal themselves, there is also a conceptual element to the damage caused by serrated weapons towards beast like opponents. Something about the shredding and lacerating damage of the teeth mimicking the bestial nature of their own power. In a similar vein to how the purifying elements of fire are devastating to beasts while you can plunge a hand into their chest to pull something out and be but a minor inconvenience.
Personally i feel the rifle spear is the most practical of the trick weapons. Its a spear and the folding action allows for a shotgun firearm. Granted i can't imagine the pain of bulding it, but i love it personally.
Obviously the most practical Bloodborne weapon is Ludwig's Holy Blade. If I remember correctly, you even mentioned it once on this channel, in video about giant swords. The idea of Holy Blade being just a regular longsword that can be transformed in giant sword for crowd control or large enemies is pretty simple, yet incredibly effective
I'm gonna vote the telescopic axe as the most practical Bloodborne weapon. Want to hit something up-close and personal? One-handed mode. Want to spin-to-win or overhead chop from a (relatively) safe distance? Two-handed mode.
Most easily practical bloodborne weapon is easily the hunters axe. It's just an axe with two section telescoping handle and you can see the lock bolts in it. It would be a fairly straightforward build with no modifications.
The main reason this weapon transforms is because between 1 to 2 handed weapon allowing to free another hand mid fight to use stuff like molotovs or guns.
When the weapon is folded up it reminds me of a tonfa. If you added an extra handle jutting out at 90 degrees, it would add a lot of functionality while folded up.
i think some sort of trigger activated clasp for the blade that lets it switch back and forth between positions might make it more practical, since the main problem with the position switching trick weapons just seems to be the give in the joint that controls its position. not sure itd ever be as easy to swap as in the games, but i can see a lot of them becoming much more practical when you dont have to worry that you might accidentally hit yourself with it.
I love fantasy weapons that are well thought out to make sense in their world. And for a bit more merit on the closed position, these weapons are to deal with a plague of monstrous beasts who love to pounce and rip with claws and fangs. A hunter caught off guard or knocked over can still shred a beast that's all up in their business. it would fit in that arms length gap between them and the squishy underbelly of snarling beasts
In close position think of it as a brass knuckle you use it in very close combat where you hook it in their face and yes the beast are very fast they can close in on you before you can get into any stance so you have to brawl with it.
My first thought is the raw power of the weapon allows it to push through regardless of the serrations. That is a very big blade on a long handle with a bunch of cloth wrapped around both pieces, the kinetic energy it could generate is likely very intense.
The Hunter axe feels like an exceptional piece, if you have the strength to wield the thing. You'd probably have to make it a bit smaller, but it's basically a weighty one-handed ax, where you can pull the handle further out into a two-handed weapon like a halberd. Aside from that, the threaded cane would be extremely difficult to build and maintain, but has potential. A serrated whip that also doubles as a sharpened club. I suppose the cane would have to have a button that allows you to adjust the tension on the go.
I want to give context to the weapon. In bloodborne, splashing in enemy blood heals you a lot. So continuos attacking without regard for defense is encouraged. Trick weapons are made to deal with fast changing of distance, since your fighting beast, and all those serrations are to make the blood fly out.
Hunters using the saw spear are not and ever where meant to be used to hunt hunters, the weapon meant for hunting hunters are the blades of mercy, duel daggers
There's a list of fairly practical bloodborne weapons, But the most interesting of that list is the Rukoyo. It's a double bladed weapon much like darth mauls lightsaber, however one blade is shorter like a dagger. They can be split in oder to duel weild a saber and dagger. I would love to see you look at more bloodborne weapons because each one has such fun quwerks and little gimmicks
Ah Bloodborne. Nothing says fighting beasts like gardening with the whirling-gig saw + watering spray (flame-thrower) or letting a random eldritch parasite give you tentacles. Beast cutter will always be my favourite though. It is as elegant as a falling elephant and I love it.
The most practical Bloodborne weapons are probably the axe and the Moonlight greatsword, one is just a magical sword and the axe you just make the handle longer And yeah, makes sense sharp serrations are effective lmao specially when are meant for armorless foes like beasts
I would recommend installing some kind of stoper at the hinge, if you haven't already, to prevent the blade from ever getting close to your fingers even on accident. The end of the weapon already stops the blade but you can never to careful when a saw blade is close to your fingers. Redundancy and safety go hand-in-hand. Maybe add a hand guard as well near the top as well.
Regarding the closed version of the weapon. I partially agree with the statement that it is not particularly practical and in the case of the sawspear it makes very little sense considering the ability to penetrate in addition to the cut, but a good part of the weapons in play rely on the cut precisely because in the world we need to spread blood, following this logic, closed and narrow environments that do not allow a cutting fight become problematic, certainly with a spear there is no problem but as mentioned the spear pierces and does not cut, tearing the flesh. In addition to this, the character is certainly superhuman just think of the kirkhammer who weighs something like 120/130kg (for those who don't know what the kirkhammer is, think about the legend of the sword in the stone, well take the sword with all the stone and you have the kirkhammer).
i thought the reason weapons were like that in bloodborne was to have something easy to carry from town to town while being able to breakdown the bodies of large beast. because you know... they're hunters
I watched the vid where Tyranth made that blade and was very impressed at the quality of the final blade. To see how effective it is in use was very surprising. If used against lightly armoured or unarmoured opponents it would be devastating with its tearing and shredding due to the serrations and quite capable of very deep wounds . Very entertaining
The only thing I haven’t found a lore reason for, and that is impractical both in reality and in game (without a lore reason), is the bandaging around the saw cleaver and saw spear. Not only would it dull the impact, but it may shallow any punctures made by the teeth of the blade. That may be purely aesthetic.
I like battle axes. Specifically with carrying the momentum of your swing. If you miss, you can possibly come back around, and nearly double (?) the force of the weapon
Now I want to see what happens if they took this blade and handle setup, removed the joint and serrated edges, indexed it, and gave it a historical look. Just how many historical weapons of its size would it out preform, if any?
if Tyranth ever builds a stake driver mock-up, he neds to pay attention to the shafts on both sides, because there's a neat detail that took me a second to notice
To be honest I have to agree about the Trick Weapons. As many times as I've played Bloodborne I pretty much just pick a position and stick with it the whole time. The only exception being the Holy Moonlight because of how much it changes it's moveset.
Looking at how calmly Shad stands next to this beast-weapon, when the blade in the closed state looks straight into his face, and remembering how easily Tyrant in the video on his channel snapped the blade off the latch on the handle and how quickly the weapon fully opened... Guys, of course you are professionals and all that, but be careful there.
One thing of note is that most if not all Bloodborne weapons are intended for use with one hand, at least part of the time. This is so the Hunter can use firearms and other items that can be invaluable when fighting beasts. That being said, I'd love to see a take on the Logarius Wheel, the largest weapon in both states.
I always felt the Bloodborne cleavers in the closed position would be good off-hand weapons to protect the body, while still having a blade to attack at close range.
Shad -- For FNT, when you get to Episode 4. As the sword expert point out that ALL of those Jedi igniting their light sabers standing shoulder to shoulder is incredibly dangerous. Maybe upload a short video of you doing 'flourishes' with a long sword to Gary, so the audience can see just how much space an individual (without a shield) needs to swing and deploy a single sword-like weapon. Then I would point out two other things: 1) The Romans, with armor and shield, had about 1m separation to the next soldier, standing about 2m from soldier to soldier. All to allow the free use of their swords... AND this was/is considered "Close formation". 2) Even in the SW Clone Wars videos, they did not ignite their light sabers next to each other. There is a lot of combat there, and after some quips, one Jedi would ignite their saber and trot forward deflecting blaster bolts, and the next would follow a few paces behind. ALL to give each of them room to swing freely. Question: How stupid are these Jedi? OR, how poorly trained are they? Followup: A sword has a flat side, in fact, most of it is non-threatening (only the edges). But a light saber is a 360 degree weapon, that can cut through anything from any angle or direction. Conclusion: The people making this have no idea what they are doing... on any level including the fight coordinators and weapons specialists. How the mighty have fallen from the sword play in the movies and even in the Animated series like the Clone Wars (which was supposedly Dave Filoni's 'baby'!)
All the melee weapons in Bloodborne are modeled after old medical tools from victorian era Edinburgh. There are lots of videos explaining it and it's really fascinating seeing the inspirations in the game and how they are implemented.
It was Completely Safe... Most of the time
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Until it wasn't. 😂
50% of the time, it works 100%
Get you a cold steel gladius and make the serration on one side sweep towards the tip of the sword and the other side sweep towards the guard and see what cuts bet love your and shads channels
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Never argue with somebody legally blind about spear fighting.
They can hardly see your point.
You don't need to see it to feel it.
@Merilirem you don't need to feel it to die from it
@goreobsessed2308 you don't need to die from it Enlighten it
@@Merilirem That's what she said...
@@thatmotivatedchris6749 setting fire to your spears gets expensive after a while, I mean, they won't last very long
Lorewise, the existence of "Trick Weapons" is due to the fact that Hunters are fighting Beasts, which are as terrifying to fight, as they are plenty and "diverse".
Having a weapon that can become one of two things, within a fraction of a second, is what makes it so crucial to fight them.
Using the example of the Saw Spear, the closed weapon mode allows for fast, and versatile fighting that is akin to hand-to-hand combat, making it easier for players to quickly attack and retreat, whereas the opened mode of the Saw Spear is slower but allows you to fight at a slightly longer range and the ability to deliver VERY powerful charged attacks for dealing with tougher oponents.
I was just thinking the closed version would be better for putting a lot of your own force into it. For example, if you actually DID want to saw through something, you'd want your hand as close to it for direct pressure as possible. vs taking a swing, you would probably want to almost always extend it, unless you're already closed in on and trying to get your arm up between you and the horrible monster dog thing.
Dont forget ghermans burial blade is the basis for every other workshop weapon. And in that specific case it makes sense to be able to switch from a curved sword to tthe scythe for either changing due to the beasts youre fighting or the space available.
So basically the same theory as RWBY?
Ironically though the closed position in real life would probably be slower but deal more damage due to leverage.
If I remember correctly, the one-handed forms, especially the swords, are meant to deal with ‘people’ while the two-handed forms deal with proper beasts.
7:10 "That would cause horrifying, visceral damage."
No, no, you need to set up the visceral attack with a charged backstab or a counter with the lefthand gun.
We need to get Shad to play the game 😉
@@nemesisofeden No, we don't need
We Must!
"It should be fine." the phrase of innovation
Scientific discoveries seldom start with "Eureka!" More often than not they start with "Hold on, that's not supposed to happen..."
"Naaah, she'll be right mate." - Phrases commonly heard before disaster.
...or famous last words
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@@FlexxibleFree results may vary...
This works better than it should.
“It should be fine.”
Honestly, that’s probably the safest thing to be said about a Bloodborne weapon.
Nothing in Bloodborne is safe... nothing!
@@DC-hw7fw Not even the Hunters, which are supposed to protect the normal people. They can go drunk by blood and even turn into one of the beasts themselves
@@GusTaJooJ_OFC You either get mauled on or turn. Great choices! I'll take option 3, please! The GTFO.
@@DC-hw7fw Ah yes option 3. Get impregnated by a squid.
@@DC-hw7fw Option 3 is turning into a eldritch entity
I like to imagine the cutting tests are fairly accurate to how Gherman convinced the original hunters to start using trick weapons. Shad’s visible confusion is priceless.
I can almost imagine the visuals of this. Gherman standing in a gallery in front of several other hunters. He’s got one of them testing these weapons and the group is so confused on how these trick weapons are working so well.
@@dedman1096 "The secret is space meth. My weapon is 50% space meth by content, I got it from a meteorite."
Ludwig: what the fuck?!
Lawrence: these should not work as good as they do
Gherman: what do you mean, guys, the serrations. are. sharp.
The thing with the closed position for close quarters is that the enemies in Bloodborne are SUPER fast, so having to fight something literally within six inches of you isn't uncommon.
That doesn’t stop you from just choking up on the spear ,
@@geoshark12The issue with the spear in that universe is that you're fighting things that can be stabbed through and keep going so they could, theoretically, grab the spear/you after you stabbed them through, because the stab wouldn't mean that much to them.
Precisely. Although impractical, the whole point of the default/folded mode of the saw weapons and Hunter’s axe are for more speed and personal fighting. They are close range, and quick. It may not deal as much damage per hit, but it makes up for it with damage over time, which is valuable in a game that rewards fighting back upon taking damage (in order to regain the lost health). Logically, it’s impractical. Lore and gameplay-wise, it’s a must have, especially when you can combo into your trick.
@@aeis3007Indeed. The point of the game is to cleave and tear apart the relentless beasts until there is zero sign of life or at least zero threat, akin to Necromorphs in Dead Space that don’t stop “living” even when reduced to a pile of limbs. Don’t get me started on the immortal vile bloods…
@@aeis3007that actually presents another good reason for the weapon to be able to change, because theoretically as long as you have enough range of motion to change the weapon back you can actually catch the enemy on the inside of the blade
About the size in confined spaces: kind reminder it's to be used against beasts that are probably launching themselves at you, the confined space is because you have a 3m tall werewolf in your face.
If you can't keep your distance from 3m tall werewolf, you are probably fucked no matter the weapon
@@tabull8180 there's when the Parry shot enters
Well that and fuckin doorways.
@@tabull8180 not if you are the hunter who killed an outer god
@@tabull8180I mean the hunters are basically superhumans in themselves, plus as someone has mentioned the protagonist of Bloodborne killed the equivalent of a ten foot tall Cthulhu
The bloodborne remake we’ve been waiting for
No way, they ported BB to Australia before the PC 😭
considering the graphics it's bloodborne for PC2
A reason you might be surprised the serrated edges work so well is because factory serrated edges suck. I got a knife with serrated edges and I got a file set small enough for knife serrations so after I sharpened it, it was scary sharp. Not just freshly sharped sharp but more this has no right being this sharp. Beyond that serrated edges are surprisingly efficient.
@@gifficaThat's a good point. One of the most successful predators of the animal kingdom have saws for teeth
@@giffica the talk of repairing serrated blades remind me hugely of Monster Hunter's Seregios weapons. Literally exactly the ideal self-fix serrated weapon.
Also, you have to look at the weapon, not from the perspective of fighting somebody with armor, but for fighting monstrous beasts. Hunters are trained and armed to fight creatures like mutated werewolves and stuff.
exactly. These tools aren't meant for fighting soldiers, they're meant for metaphorical boarhunts.
@@johnj.spurgin7037 They are made to saw through flesh and bone, of course, a very hard and inhuman one, but still no tipe of armor
Bloodborne weapons absolutely make sense. Basically throw together all of the most dangerous crap you could find in the victorian era gutters and back alleys and you got some weapons and equipment. That is how Bloodborne weapons male sense
It's just the distilled spirit of London streets
The shock on Shad's face when the serrations actually cut well was priceless.
Tyranth wtf that looks so sick, and very lore accurate looking too. Super detailed and faithful to the game! I love soulsgames, this was sick thanks guys
You really should check out the build video on his channel. I wondered at some of his design choices but he made it come together.
A major thing about Hunter Trick weapons is that they were primarily intended to be used against beasts and non-humans with no armor.
12:07 I don't think there is a "most" practical, by realistic standards, buuut...
It's definitely one of following:
-Blades of Mercy: literally a pair of dual daggers that use magnetism to fit together. Kinda in the same vibe as the "Chinese Butterfly Swords".
-Hunter Axe: a tacticool battleaxe that extends to the length of a polearm.
-Reiterpallasch: literally inspired by historical weapons wherein a flintlock pistol is the handle for a duellist's rapier.
-Rifle Spear: a spear that turns into a rifle with bayonet.
Honourable mention
-Rakuyo: a thin sword whose pommel can fit a dagger. It doesn't seem like it would be at all easy to use when both blades are together, but separated it's a whole different story. Sword and dagger is a pretty good combination of weapons.
If I could "revise" that weapon, I'd make it so the handle of the sword was hollow and could fit the dagger's blade, so you'd instead have a sword with a larger handle when both blades are combined, rather than running the risk of stabbing yourself with the unprotected dagger.
Kirkhammer. Hammer for super-strong person with sword in the shaft. What else do you need?
@@StahortheDark I mean... practical if you are a superhuman. I think that from a standard human's point of view, it is impossible to wield a Kirkhammer.
I'd add the chikage. It's basically a blend between a saber and a katana (with blood magic in game).
@@centurionsword2438 it's basically the cimitana they did before, just with magic blood
-Tonitrus: basically just a mace.
Bloodborne's most practical weapon must be a contest between the Whirlygig Saw and the Stake Driver.
ah yes, the lawnmower and the pilebunker.
No no, both pale in comparison to the refined engineering and impeccable historical accuracy of the Kos parasite.
I have 1 word
Kirkhammer.
Its literally a shortsword and a great hammer but together, nothing simpler and more effective than that
Everybody sleeping on the Boomhammer here.
@@bigenemy000 personally think Ludwig's Holy Blade would be best. A sword transforms into a Greatsword using the scabbard.
Hunters in BB are superhuman. They are superhumanly strong, superhumanly fast, and superhumanly durable. It may not appear that way, in game, but that is done simply for gameplay purposes. It's similar to the new GOW games and how Kratos isn't creating cracks in the earth with each step he takes but has to instead use a chain to climb up 10 feet. Just watch the Gehrman boss fight and that is only a small illustration of their capacity. But again, that is still vastly toned down for gameplay purposes. Hunters are immensely powerful beings, and even the lore states that firearms technology is so ineffective against larger beasts, that hunters had to take up massive blunt or bladed instruments to kill their prey. Think about how utterly dangerous these weapons would be in the hands of superhumans, and now you know why they look and function the way they do.
As one man once said, "bullets can't hurt the london people, so you need to use the knife"
Basically this. It's very worth noting that these weapons were designed for people who've been given cursed supernatural blood from a literal eldritch god, and are used to fight beasts born from that same blood. It's also worth noting that this blood itself is the most valuable currency in Bloodborne's world, so weapon design that promotes spilling as much blood as possible was very encouraged.
There is a reason why when you kill a boss the message is Prey Slaughtered.
Another thing is that the weapons are upgraded with blood stone, basically crystallized eldritch god blood, a bit better than a diamond edge.
Choking a spear in close qualter deserves more investigation. That left almost a meter of spear shaft behind which if you were maneuvering in close qualters there's a high chance the butt of the shaft could hit a wall, table, colums or other stuff, disrupting your aim, missing a parry or strike
I am by no means an expert, but (western) spear technique is all thrusts; no swinging or slashing. Thrusts are very controlled and linear. You aren't likely to hit the shaft of the spear against the wall if you are facing parallel to the wall. Only if your back was against the wall would that be an issue, but in that case, dropping the spear and drawing a sword will be easy enough in a moments time.
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Try playing the game. First time you get stuck in a corner with a werewolf literally grabbing you by the shoulders and ripping your face with its teeth, you'll understand now non viable a normal spear or drawing from a traditional sheathe would be.
@@CtrlAltRetreat yes, werewolf, we've fought those in tight spaces..... No a shorter weapon has no merit over the spear.
@@tarektechmarine8209What are you even saying?
@@RealLifeIronManGood points in general but not here.
Beasts do not die unless drained of blood and regenerate constantly, hence why you want wide mangled wounds. Piercing is ineffective as it creates small clean holes (bullets are useless unless the hunter reaches into the injury and rips); even with the saw spear, you only want to stab to finish the target off as the beasts are so fast that you always need your weapons to be free.
Swords are used against newly scourged people and are not going to work against anything that can corner a hunter.
We are born of the blood, made men by the blood, undone by the blood. Our eyes are yet to open. Fear the Old Blood
this must be the golden age in terms of content of this channel, frequent uploads and videos are entertaining, never change!
Satisfied customers are we. Excellent video, Shad and crew!
shad has a multitude of helmets he can wear to protect his head from a weapon that could easily bounce back at his head yet decides not to wear them.
Some would call him a fool. I call him a real man XD
He's a protagonist. Gotta display the face, as only extras wear helmets. We all know armor does nothing anyway.
Hes a naned Warhammer 40k character, he wears the helmet in canon but they remove it for aesthetic reasons
And yeah, basically “beasts” which are the larger majority of enemies in Bloodeborne, take more damage from serrated weapons.
because they lack armor, and have lots of meat to rip and tear.
I was legitimately waiting for the blade to come off and go whistling over your back fence and crash through their back door. Yes, I trust Tyranth's builds...usually. I want to see the scythe next, because that would be my choice in a real fight.
One kind of attack in the game is when you use the transformation of the weapon AS the attack. Idk how hard it would be to make a mechanism like that, but its like spring loaded or something and can spring open and that motion is used to simultaneously transform the weapon and attack in a single motion, and can be part of a combo. Also the serrated weapons are specifically used on the beasts in the game (Or at least were designed to fight them, lore wise) and do bonus damage to beasts, who do not wear clothes.
regular flip blades either utilize a bar locking mechanism(no idea what's actually called, it's literally a metal bar that runs the length of the handle) or a holding pin lock. It requires the blade itself to be designed around the concept which can be a mechanical challenge on how much material you'll need so it doesn't shear off or wear out too quickly as well as whatever is locking it into place being thick enough to counter the weight of whatever is hitting it. Certainly doable, but will add weight, not to mention keeping the blade stable enough so it doesn't wobble and stays relatively straight enough to lock into it's marginally safer collapsed position...
monster hunter switch axe
One of the big gameplay reasons for the transforming weapons is that the collapsed version can be used with one hand, allowing the hunter use a firearm in their offhand.
Additionally, even if that point was rendered moot by some Trick Weapons being already one-handed in either form, the extended mode typically offers either more range or damage at the expense of speed, handling or both.
Sooo... burial blade when? this was awesome though. nice work lads!
EDIT: for the transformation of the weapon, gameplay wise they enable the player to string together different attacks and pull off more combos when attacking. the folded position on the saw spear also allows the player to swing the weapon faster and do bigger wind-up berserk attacks faster. as for weapons like the saw cleaver, the folded position matters on what youre fighting. in the videogame the serrations actually do additional damage against beasts, causing more bleeding. so lore wise, the reason why a hunter would switch between the two is not only the attack style, but to defeat beasts more efficiently. not only that, but most weapons in their folded (un-transformed) state can more easily be held in a one hand. this frees up their other hand for a firearm that hunters will carry. be it a blunderbuss, flintlock or even a cannon. another thing about the different hunter weapons; some weapons when transformed can change the weapon entirely! an example is the burial blade i mentioned above, its a curved sword until you transform it into a scythe. another example is the kirk hammer. longsword when one handed, giant two handed maul when two handed.
I think the serrations were also to ensure the weapon's cuts weren't "too clean" and make it harder for beasts to regenerate.
(Beasts don't actually regenerate in-game, but they do take 20% more damage from serrated weapons)
I think I remember Matt Easton reading an account of a british soldier fighting a middle-eastern tribesman, wherein the tribesman is described as holding his curved sword with his right arm, with the back of the sword against his left forearm, then rushing through a crowd into grappling range, too close for the british soldiers to use their rifles or draw their sidearms, and then repeatedly slashed them across the chest.
Makes me think of the beasthunter saif, and how in-universe hunters would have to fight amid streets more crowded than the PS4 could actually render, and get into grappling range against werewolves and such.
Ripping and a tearing, ripping and a tearing
Can't wait for the Threaded Cane review!
I loved Shad's reaction to how effective it was when he didn't give it much of a chance at first
Thanks for the video, I really enjoyed it and it looked like Shad really enjoyed filming. Here is the usual support for channel growth and I hope you guys have a great day.
Bloodborne weapons are badass. Can you try something like the kirkhammer or ludwig's holy blade where the sword sticks into a stabbard like hole into another weapon piece transforming it? I would love to see that!
There is knifemakers that use serrations on certain knives that cut very very well if done properly it's pretty surprising I'm not a serrations person myself but I've seen them do some amazing things on knives
You all need to do two things next:
1) Try making a Threaded Cane next. I love that weapon and would love to see someone attempt to make a real life version.
2) Make Shad play Bloodborne. It's so awesome and it's what I'm playing to kill time before the Elden Ring DLC drops.
My reasoning for the closed position is carrying it, because you’re climbing up down , pulling levers etc . And the city is absolutely filthy which can gunk up mechanisms. But having the ease of carry is worth it if in a pinch the weapon can be used while closed
Tldr the closed fighting style was intended as a last resort if you couldn’t unfold the weapon in time for a fight but the need for ease of carry out weighed the benefits of removing the mechanism
Like with most other weapons the saw spear becomes two-handed in its transformed state, preventing the use of a firearm in the off-hand. Hunters tend to prefer fighting in the closed state and switch to the spear when the situation requires.
@@SethAbercromby The saw spear is still one-handed while extended in game.
Two things about the sawspear and the saw type trick weapons in general. The sawspear is (depite the name) still more of a swinging weapon than stabbing so there is *potentially* an argument for using the folded state in the alleys. As for the serrations, as mentioned it is to get as much blood as possible, and also they are fighting either completely or mostly unarmored enemies. So itll still catch but not *as* bad as if it were being used against armor.
You made an over sized 1800s Doctor’s amputation Hack saw. Which are terrifyingly effective
I think Shad is so impressed by how well the serrations work because of the targets they are using. Plastic bottles only have structural integrity in the surface. If you cook, you know that things with tough skin and soft insides (like tomatoes) are best cut with serrated knives. With straight edged knives you get the same experience cutting tomatoes as cutting water bottles: a very steep drop off in cutting performance once the blade dulls. You probably would have had a different experience if you tested these against pool noodles (or meat/ meat analogues).
That curved handle is really interesting to me, my immediate thought when looking at it is that the handle is more like an axe handle. Would be very interested to see a normal straight sword with that curved hilt to see what you would do with it!
Serrations are somewhat sensitive to the shape. A saw-like 'N'-type serration can get stuck, but a bread-knife 'W'-type serration much less so. Also, a saw has thick, non-beveled teeth since its function isn’t to cut, but to impact-break fibers by tearing a small piece out. If the serrations are beveled, they are much more likely to cut (which you don’t want in a saw, since it needs to make space for itself or it will jam). Interestingly, water bottles is probably an ideal medium to cut with a serrated edge, as it outperforms a straight edge on material with a tough but flexible outer 'skin' but interiors that don’t provide much support structurally. Like tomatoes… or giant insects (probably). But it would probably get seriously lodged if cutting into bone with some power.
In regard to the serrations, remember that these are beast-hunting weapons and so are not meant to deal with armor or really even clothing. The beasts are weak to bleeding so the weapons want to make them bleed as much as possible; so they are meant to rip and tear more than cleanly cut or stab.
If i'm recalling my lore correctly, as well as the blood bathing the hunters use to heal themselves, there is also a conceptual element to the damage caused by serrated weapons towards beast like opponents. Something about the shredding and lacerating damage of the teeth mimicking the bestial nature of their own power.
In a similar vein to how the purifying elements of fire are devastating to beasts while you can plunge a hand into their chest to pull something out and be but a minor inconvenience.
Personally i feel the rifle spear is the most practical of the trick weapons. Its a spear and the folding action allows for a shotgun firearm. Granted i can't imagine the pain of bulding it, but i love it personally.
Obviously the most practical Bloodborne weapon is Ludwig's Holy Blade. If I remember correctly, you even mentioned it once on this channel, in video about giant swords. The idea of Holy Blade being just a regular longsword that can be transformed in giant sword for crowd control or large enemies is pretty simple, yet incredibly effective
18:01 most important moment of the video, PAY ATTENTION SONY!
I think Shad is building an apocalypse arsenal and testing what would work
I'm gonna vote the telescopic axe as the most practical Bloodborne weapon. Want to hit something up-close and personal? One-handed mode. Want to spin-to-win or overhead chop from a (relatively) safe distance? Two-handed mode.
Rip and tear until it is done!
The nail pin is certainly in keeping with the aesthetic.
I think striking with the serrations works that well because it's like multiple stabs in one, and then they gradually converge until it cuts
This is one of those weapons you could improve into an actual weapon really easily. Would love to see that if anyone has made such a thing.
Most easily practical bloodborne weapon is easily the hunters axe. It's just an axe with two section telescoping handle and you can see the lock bolts in it. It would be a fairly straightforward build with no modifications.
The main reason this weapon transforms is because between 1 to 2 handed weapon allowing to free another hand mid fight to use stuff like molotovs or guns.
If your looking for more Bloodborne weapons I'm curious about the Moonlight Blade and it's Replica version.
I mean, this thing is basically a folding saw/oversized folding knife. I can see how that would be useful both as a tool and a close defense weapon.
When the weapon is folded up it reminds me of a tonfa. If you added an extra handle jutting out at 90 degrees, it would add a lot of functionality while folded up.
Majestic! A Shad is a Chad, even in a game!
I love Bloodborne weapons! I'm so excited that you've finally reviewed one. Looking forward to more!
the most practical bloodborne weapon is the Logarius wheel obviously. or perhaps the kirkhammer. very practical. easy to use.
i think some sort of trigger activated clasp for the blade that lets it switch back and forth between positions might make it more practical, since the main problem with the position switching trick weapons just seems to be the give in the joint that controls its position. not sure itd ever be as easy to swap as in the games, but i can see a lot of them becoming much more practical when you dont have to worry that you might accidentally hit yourself with it.
I love fantasy weapons that are well thought out to make sense in their world. And for a bit more merit on the closed position, these weapons are to deal with a plague of monstrous beasts who love to pounce and rip with claws and fangs. A hunter caught off guard or knocked over can still shred a beast that's all up in their business. it would fit in that arms length gap between them and the squishy underbelly of snarling beasts
Need a Bloodborne weapons part 2, for the hunter axe, Kirkhammer or Ludwig's holy blade
In close position think of it as a brass knuckle you use it in very close combat where you hook it in their face and yes the beast are very fast they can close in on you before you can get into any stance so you have to brawl with it.
My first thought is the raw power of the weapon allows it to push through regardless of the serrations. That is a very big blade on a long handle with a bunch of cloth wrapped around both pieces, the kinetic energy it could generate is likely very intense.
The damn 1h form of moonlight sword, and Ludwig holy goddamn blade
The Hunter axe feels like an exceptional piece, if you have the strength to wield the thing. You'd probably have to make it a bit smaller, but it's basically a weighty one-handed ax, where you can pull the handle further out into a two-handed weapon like a halberd. Aside from that, the threaded cane would be extremely difficult to build and maintain, but has potential. A serrated whip that also doubles as a sharpened club. I suppose the cane would have to have a button that allows you to adjust the tension on the go.
I want to give context to the weapon. In bloodborne, splashing in enemy blood heals you a lot. So continuos attacking without regard for defense is encouraged. Trick weapons are made to deal with fast changing of distance, since your fighting beast, and all those serrations are to make the blood fly out.
If Tyranth is including the DLC weapons when he says "all of them", then hoo boy things are gonna get fun.
Hunters using the saw spear are not and ever where meant to be used to hunt hunters, the weapon meant for hunting hunters are the blades of mercy, duel daggers
There's a list of fairly practical bloodborne weapons, But the most interesting of that list is the Rukoyo.
It's a double bladed weapon much like darth mauls lightsaber, however one blade is shorter like a dagger.
They can be split in oder to duel weild a saber and dagger.
I would love to see you look at more bloodborne weapons because each one has such fun quwerks and little gimmicks
Ah Bloodborne. Nothing says fighting beasts like gardening with the whirling-gig saw + watering spray (flame-thrower) or letting a random eldritch parasite give you tentacles. Beast cutter will always be my favourite though. It is as elegant as a falling elephant and I love it.
So if the spear cleaver had a professionally made lock mechanism you'd find in high quality pocket knives... this thing would be amazing!
The most practical Bloodborne weapons are probably the axe and the Moonlight greatsword, one is just a magical sword and the axe you just make the handle longer
And yeah, makes sense sharp serrations are effective lmao specially when are meant for armorless foes like beasts
Bloodborne! Yes! I hope Jacksepticeye sees this he’ll love it! Sawspear!!!
Another important detail is that not many enemies in bloodborne wear armor. A lot of exposed flesh.
I would recommend installing some kind of stoper at the hinge, if you haven't already, to prevent the blade from ever getting close to your fingers even on accident. The end of the weapon already stops the blade but you can never to careful when a saw blade is close to your fingers. Redundancy and safety go hand-in-hand. Maybe add a hand guard as well near the top as well.
I'd LOVE to see you guys cover the Hunters Saif more.
Regarding the closed version of the weapon.
I partially agree with the statement that it is not particularly practical and in the case of the sawspear it makes very little sense considering the ability to penetrate in addition to the cut, but a good part of the weapons in play rely on the cut precisely because in the world we need to spread blood, following this logic, closed and narrow environments that do not allow a cutting fight become problematic, certainly with a spear there is no problem but as mentioned the spear pierces and does not cut, tearing the flesh.
In addition to this, the character is certainly superhuman just think of the kirkhammer who weighs something like 120/130kg (for those who don't know what the kirkhammer is, think about the legend of the sword in the stone, well take the sword with all the stone and you have the kirkhammer).
i thought the reason weapons were like that in bloodborne was to have something easy to carry from town to town while being able to breakdown the bodies of large beast.
because you know... they're hunters
I watched the vid where Tyranth made that blade and was very impressed at the quality of the final blade. To see how effective it is in use was very surprising. If used against lightly armoured or unarmoured opponents it would be devastating with its tearing and shredding due to the serrations and quite capable of very deep wounds . Very entertaining
"It's fine, don't worry about it."
"The wheels are a bit wobbly there, Ty."
"I took it for a spin on the freeway, it's fine."
The only thing I haven’t found a lore reason for, and that is impractical both in reality and in game (without a lore reason), is the bandaging around the saw cleaver and saw spear. Not only would it dull the impact, but it may shallow any punctures made by the teeth of the blade. That may be purely aesthetic.
I think the Blade of Mercy or the Hunter Axe are probably the most practical weapons to try out
Love the alternative intro much more than the regular. Great channel
In the open position, it's basically a panabas. It's a wepon from the Philippines that is adapted from a butcher tool.
I like battle axes. Specifically with carrying the momentum of your swing. If you miss, you can possibly come back around, and nearly double (?) the force of the weapon
Now I want to see what happens if they took this blade and handle setup, removed the joint and serrated edges, indexed it, and gave it a historical look. Just how many historical weapons of its size would it out preform, if any?
if Tyranth ever builds a stake driver mock-up, he neds to pay attention to the shafts on both sides, because there's a neat detail that took me a second to notice
To be honest I have to agree about the Trick Weapons. As many times as I've played Bloodborne I pretty much just pick a position and stick with it the whole time. The only exception being the Holy Moonlight because of how much it changes it's moveset.
Now I want Shad to play bloodborne. He would both cry and in horror and joy over the castle and gothic design of Bloodborne 😂
I love the interesting weapon design. If it was remade to be a fully functional weapon that would be Awesome!
Looking at how calmly Shad stands next to this beast-weapon, when the blade in the closed state looks straight into his face, and remembering how easily Tyrant in the video on his channel snapped the blade off the latch on the handle and how quickly the weapon fully opened... Guys, of course you are professionals and all that, but be careful there.
One thing of note is that most if not all Bloodborne weapons are intended for use with one hand, at least part of the time. This is so the Hunter can use firearms and other items that can be invaluable when fighting beasts.
That being said, I'd love to see a take on the Logarius Wheel, the largest weapon in both states.
I always felt the Bloodborne cleavers in the closed position would be good off-hand weapons to protect the body, while still having a blade to attack at close range.
Shad -- For FNT, when you get to Episode 4. As the sword expert point out that ALL of those Jedi igniting their light sabers standing shoulder to shoulder is incredibly dangerous. Maybe upload a short video of you doing 'flourishes' with a long sword to Gary, so the audience can see just how much space an individual (without a shield) needs to swing and deploy a single sword-like weapon. Then I would point out two other things:
1) The Romans, with armor and shield, had about 1m separation to the next soldier, standing about 2m from soldier to soldier. All to allow the free use of their swords... AND this was/is considered "Close formation".
2) Even in the SW Clone Wars videos, they did not ignite their light sabers next to each other. There is a lot of combat there, and after some quips, one Jedi would ignite their saber and trot forward deflecting blaster bolts, and the next would follow a few paces behind. ALL to give each of them room to swing freely.
Question: How stupid are these Jedi? OR, how poorly trained are they?
Followup: A sword has a flat side, in fact, most of it is non-threatening (only the edges). But a light saber is a 360 degree weapon, that can cut through anything from any angle or direction.
Conclusion: The people making this have no idea what they are doing... on any level including the fight coordinators and weapons specialists. How the mighty have fallen from the sword play in the movies and even in the Animated series like the Clone Wars (which was supposedly Dave Filoni's 'baby'!)
All the melee weapons in Bloodborne are modeled after old medical tools from victorian era Edinburgh. There are lots of videos explaining it and it's really fascinating seeing the inspirations in the game and how they are implemented.