Orc & Goblin Tribes vs Kingdom of Bretonnia - The Old World (Battle Report)

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  • The thunder of cavalry echos across the field of battle as the Knights of The Kingdom of Bretonnia crash into a gathered brutal Orc & Goblin tribe, in this bloody and ruthless battle report.
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    Kingdom of Bretonnia - For The Lady - [1999pts]
    Characters [588pts]
    Damsel [106pts]: Hand Weapon, Illusion, Wizard Level 2, Bretonnian Warhorse, Barding, Hand Weapon
    Duke [482pts]: Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Shield, Hippogryph, Heavy Armour, Serrated Maw, Wicked Claws, Barding, General, Gromil Great Helm, Morning Star of Fracasse, Potion of Toughness, Virtue of Knightly Temper
    Core [850pts]
    2x Knights Errant [95pts]: The Knight's Vow
    • 5x Knight Errant [19pts]: Bretonnian Warhorse, Barding, Hand Weapon, Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Lance, Shield
    2x Men-At-Arms [149pts]:
    • 25x Man-At-Arms [4pts]: Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Polearm, Shield
    • 1x Yeoman [7pts]
    • 1x Standard Bearer [5pts]
    • 1x Musician [5pts]
    • 1x Grail Monk [32pts]: Blessed Tryptich
    Mounted Knights of the Realm [262pts]: The Knight's Vow
    • 9x Mounted Knight of the Realm [24pts]: Bretonnian Warhorse, Barding, Hand Weapon, Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Lance, Shield
    • 1x Musician [7pts]
    • 1x Standard Bearer [32pts]: War Banner
    • 1x First Knight [7pts]
    2x Peasant Bowmen [50pts]:
    • 10x Peasant Bowman [5pts]: Hand Weapon, Longbow
    Special [561pts]
    Battle Pilgrims & Grail Reliquae [265pts]:
    • 25x Battle Pilgrim [8pts]: Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Shield
    • 1x Grail Reliquae [65pts]
    Pegasus Knights [296pts]: The Knight's Vow
    • 5x Pegasus Knight [55pts]: Barded Pegasus, Barding, Hand Weapon, Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Lance, Shield
    • 1x Musician [7pts]
    • 1x Standard Bearer [7pts]
    • 1x First Knight [7pts]
    2000 pts Orc (not goblin) Tribes
    Characters:
    General: Black Orc Warboss O'drap Obbig, Battleaxe of the last big Waaagh!
    Orc Weirdnob "Eloc Nadz", Level 3 Wizard, Tellyporta Maracas (Flying Carpet), Lore Familiar
    Spells: Elementalism - Earthen Ramparts, Plague of Rust
    Lore of Gork - Gaze of Gork
    Black Orc Big Boss "Werdna Rufferz", Battle Standard Bearer, War Banner, Shield
    Black Orc Big Boss "Ij'neb Retniap" Great Weapon
    Core:
    Da Meganobz - 23 Black Orcs, Full Command, The Big Red Raggedy Flag, Stubborn, 12 shields, 3 Great Weapons, 5 additional hand weapons
    Da Magik Morks - 10 (Savage) Orc Boys, Frenzy, Warpaint, Skirmishers, shields, throwing spears, Full Command, Big Un's, Big Stabbas
    Special:
    Da Beeferz - 20 Black Orcs, Champion, Standard Bearer, Stubborn, 2 shields, 3 Great Weapons, 4 additional hand weapons
    Da Yoofs - 19 Black Orcs, Champion, Standard Bearer, stubborn, 10 shields, 3 Great Weapons, 3 additional hand weapons
    Da Supurpig - Orc Boar Chariot
    Rare:
    Da Keen Mean Green Machine (Giant) "Big Will"

КОМЕНТАРІ • 404

  • @SNBattleReports
    @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому

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    • @syropp
      @syropp 6 місяців тому

      Is your mat PVC/Vinyl or Neoprene/Rubber? I love it

  • @crisisgear
    @crisisgear 6 місяців тому +26

    The best way to do duels is the way you did it, it follows the most logic as you said about mounts/lower intiative continue slapping the dead guy, so still in a duel until the end of the turn. The other way round I think is people wanting to cheese, hopefully they do a FAQ and clear it up soon.

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому

      Yeha looking forward to a FAQ to be honest

    • @crisisgear
      @crisisgear 6 місяців тому +1

      @@SNBattleReports O one more thing, you can't use shields when you use halberds, when using them as halberds they are classified as a two handed weapon. Other than that loved watching another battle report again, nice and friendly.

    • @guillaumedubos6596
      @guillaumedubos6596 6 місяців тому +1

      @@crisisgear He actually used the spears but mispoke and said halberds. He mentioned fighting in two ranks except on the charge, so that seemed clear to me.

    • @crisisgear
      @crisisgear 6 місяців тому

      @@guillaumedubos6596 O I thought he said why he wasn't using the spears as he charged. Thanks.

    • @katfezza4570
      @katfezza4570 6 місяців тому +5

      Sorry for the late jumping back in on this but the rules seem actually quite clear.
      P145 dictates the steps to resolve combat. P150 "Fight On" discusses lower initiative fighters who have still to go. You do NOT get to choose who to fight again so may not change who you are attacking. If you were not eligible to fight in the challenge you don't get to do so later just because one of the challengers is now freed up. You missed your chance.
      The players in this battle did it correctly as per the rules.

  • @Flummoxed_Buffoon87
    @Flummoxed_Buffoon87 6 місяців тому +2

    This was a joy to watch on the rowing machine. Great job

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому

      Thank you very much!

    • @Chris_da_Waaagh
      @Chris_da_Waaagh 6 місяців тому

      Sounds like a great way to watch! Thanks for the comment, glad you enjoyed 😊

  • @toms4079
    @toms4079 6 місяців тому +2

    When the duke beat the black orcs with the savage orc in the flank. The savage orcs could use the leadership of the big boss (not general) as all characters exude their leadership in an aura equal to their leadership value.

    • @Chris_da_Waaagh
      @Chris_da_Waaagh 6 місяців тому +1

      Can you provide the rulebook reference because I can only see that inspiring presence is for your general only (Pg 203)

    • @toms4079
      @toms4079 6 місяців тому

      Page 202 command range.

    • @katfezza4570
      @katfezza4570 6 місяців тому +2

      While every character has command range, only the general has the "Inspiring presence" ability to pass on Ld without being in a unit.

    • @Chris_da_Waaagh
      @Chris_da_Waaagh 6 місяців тому

      @@toms4079 yeah that doesn't confer his LD to other units. It's only inspiring presence from the general my friend.

    • @toms4079
      @toms4079 6 місяців тому +1

      I've been diddled in past games in this case 😅

  • @blastvader
    @blastvader 6 місяців тому +1

    Don't know why there's any controversy about the challenges thing, it's the same as it was in 7th and earlier (never played 8th so no idea how it worked there). It's basically a completely separate combat within a combat and is treated as such.
    Another thing that is the same as it ever was is shooting: those modifiers have always been there. Bret archers are just shit, you need volume of fire at a single target and to stop moving them.
    Also, when pursuing a FBIGO it's not a new combat, it's a continuation, you count as charging (and get initiative bonuses in the same way) but don't get any 'first round of combat' abilities like hatred.

  • @GuCaMiniatures
    @GuCaMiniatures 6 місяців тому +1

    Wonderful report, like always!!! I like your reports a lot. Keep on showing more Old world. 😊
    Maybe the unit strength of the relic is not enough, but shouldn't the pegassi and the peasants have taken a lanic test when it was destroyed?

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому

      What turn was this buddy? Glad you are enjoying it

    • @GuCaMiniatures
      @GuCaMiniatures 6 місяців тому

      Turn 4 orc (Not the goblins 😅). Around 2:08:00.

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому

      @@GuCaMiniatures 😆

  • @kazgroth1
    @kazgroth1 6 місяців тому +2

    Oh Pardo you fool of a took!

  • @michalniwak1039
    @michalniwak1039 6 місяців тому +1

    why do you use blessing of the lady if I wasn't kneeling before starting the game?

  • @coachzarou
    @coachzarou 6 місяців тому +1

    Name that duke Panoramix 😂😂
    What a mutant knight was that ❤

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому

      😂

    • @coachzarou
      @coachzarou 6 місяців тому

      @@SNBattleReports I’m also very curious about the offensive format of that Duke 🤴

  • @holydiver539
    @holydiver539 6 місяців тому

    23:39 You are worse than Field Marshal Haig on the Somme July 1st 1916, didn't leave his office or drive to the front the whole day. Henry V is turning in his grave and he hates you.

  • @stephaniefry7575
    @stephaniefry7575 6 місяців тому +1

    who does the painting very good work

    • @Chris_da_Waaagh
      @Chris_da_Waaagh 6 місяців тому

      I painted the orc army myself. Built and painted over the course of about 18 months so I'm not overly quick haha.

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому

      Then Bretonnians we’re painted by a friend called Simon

  • @liangweihao7932
    @liangweihao7932 6 місяців тому

    All the rallied Bret units could have moved after rallying, unlike previous editions. That could have allowed them to move far enough out of the charge arc of the giant.

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому

      Really what page is this on my champ

    • @liangweihao7932
      @liangweihao7932 6 місяців тому +1

      @@SNBattleReports under Rallied units. "The unit cannot charge during this turn and counts as having moved for the purposes of shooting, but can otherwise act as normal." If it couldn't move, then it would have been worded as counts as having moved, rather than count as having moved for the purposes of shooting.

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому

      @@liangweihao7932 perfect 🙏🏽 thanks

    • @Chris_da_Waaagh
      @Chris_da_Waaagh 6 місяців тому

      Yeah this is old edition knowledge sticking in there despite my best efforts to remove it haha.

  • @j.h.3851
    @j.h.3851 6 місяців тому +1

    no cheating Bretonnian

  • @troy6882
    @troy6882 6 місяців тому

    Bretonnia kingdom ...

  • @robertchmielecki2580
    @robertchmielecki2580 6 місяців тому

    The Giant attacking the Damsel shows how bad rules are in so many parts of this game - you resolve something for a few minutes, rolling and re-rolling dice and consulting tables (no player decision or action here, everything happening on autopilot, the game playing itself) and then the result is that nothing happened. It's just tedious and boring and no wonder the game is so long for how shallow it is, if half of it is employing player time and effort for zero consequences.
    The armies are absolutely stunning, though!!!

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому +2

      Glad you liked the armies buddy. As for rules I think they have done a great job

    • @Chris_da_Waaagh
      @Chris_da_Waaagh 6 місяців тому +1

      Tbh I messed up with the giant against the damsel the first time. I shouldn't have picked up and... Because it can only be used against regular or heavy infantry.

  • @MrMcBaine1
    @MrMcBaine1 6 місяців тому +20

    It's not a failed charge if the charged unit flees. You move the full rolled charge move (p. 129): "If the charging unit does not make contact with the fleeing
    unit, it moves forward its full charge range. It has not made a failed charge - the charge target ran away."

    • @Chris_da_Waaagh
      @Chris_da_Waaagh 6 місяців тому +5

      Thank you mate, i have completely overlooked this. Apologies for the mistake.

    • @MrMcBaine1
      @MrMcBaine1 6 місяців тому +2

      @@Chris_da_Waaaghno worries, even if there are some oversights (assailment spells can be cast in any close combat phase for example), no big deal. The game is new and mistakes happen.

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому +1

      Perfect good spot thanks 🙏🏽

    • @mikeschantz3067
      @mikeschantz3067 6 місяців тому +1

      @@Chris_da_Waaagh Additionally, in turn two with the multi-charge into the fleeing savage orcs; I'm fairly certain that after the flee move was taken, both units would have been allowed to attempt a redirect (if a viable target was present) and the pegasus knights would have also rolled for the charge and moved the full distance i believe. it is somewhat unclear since the rules only specifically state that multiple units charging into the same arc move simultaneously, but the charges are declared at the same time, then the charge reaction is resolved, followed by the charge(s) being resolved

  • @Chris_da_Waaagh
    @Chris_da_Waaagh 6 місяців тому +15

    Just seeing i was taking fear tests when i outnumbered the fear causer! Silly me! Also, swiftstride does come into effect dueing a FBIGO.

  • @MOTH-MAN-LOV
    @MOTH-MAN-LOV 6 місяців тому +3

    Panic checks I do believe you fall back in good order. So the units should have rallies.

    • @Chris_da_Waaagh
      @Chris_da_Waaagh 6 місяців тому

      Yeah we definitely missed this. We realised after... This was previous edition knowledge creeping in! Silly us!

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому

      Uuuu didn’t know this thanks

  • @davidappelbaum1712
    @davidappelbaum1712 6 місяців тому +4

    Your unit is so STUPID!!! They built a submarine with a screen door.

  • @DarkhorseOldWorld
    @DarkhorseOldWorld 6 місяців тому +12

    Thank you for another brilliant Old World Battle Report! 😎

  • @patrickhill8494
    @patrickhill8494 6 місяців тому +9

    Don't know if someone has commented this already, but when you tried to cast The Lady's Gift the second time, his dispell only matched your roll. In this edition, you need to exceed the casting roll.

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому +3

      Didn’t it overseed with his level 3?

    • @patrickhill8494
      @patrickhill8494 6 місяців тому +1

      @@SNBattleReports I'll look back, I thought you tallied it up and it was a 7 on both sides.

  • @MagicAlfi
    @MagicAlfi 6 місяців тому +8

    The example with the hippo actually shows why it is 100% necessary to be able to reform wider. Otherwise no matter how big your unit is and expensive every monster is just killing your ass. Why? because the most likely result is fall back in good order. Which leads to the monster having the ini bonus and charge bonuses every single turn, without ever being in the open.
    It just kills the fighting rank (can challenge out chars at any time and with overkill will likely win as well). Giving up your static combat res to have a chance to deal damage back (and with that also basically giving up the unit) is important to have a counter mechanism against this kind of monsters of which the hippo is one of the tamer examples...

    • @Chris_da_Waaagh
      @Chris_da_Waaagh 6 місяців тому +5

      I had literally just been thinking this exact thing as I'm watching the game myself. I actually should have reformed to create a 10 wide unit in an attempt to chip more wounds off the hippo. Completely agree with you here

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому +2

      Yes agreed to a certain extent if it doesn’t look silly I agree

    • @djc1376
      @djc1376 6 місяців тому +3

      Following up back in to combat is not counted as a new charge that's over run

    • @Chris_da_Waaagh
      @Chris_da_Waaagh 6 місяців тому +3

      @@djc1376 yeah did we miss this? There wasn't much giving ground... Just alot of pursuing from the enemy falling back in good order which does count as a charge

    • @katfezza4570
      @katfezza4570 6 місяців тому +2

      Yes, you did this correctly. FBIGO rules do say the pursuer counts as charging. The follow up into a unit giving ground does not count as charging.

  • @paulhufton-howe5818
    @paulhufton-howe5818 6 місяців тому +3

    Want the green boyz to win.. Its going to be those Brets

  • @katsmi0
    @katsmi0 6 місяців тому +3

    Chris seemed a very knowlegable player and honorable also. (Why did u accept that challenge mate?)

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому +1

      I think the narrative side within him said yes

    • @Chris_da_Waaagh
      @Chris_da_Waaagh 6 місяців тому +1

      Yeah, the Warboss would rather die in glorious combat rather than allow a meagre champion to show him up lol

  • @Cr3at1vem1nd
    @Cr3at1vem1nd 6 місяців тому +7

    23:35 You have the tactical mind of a peasant. *Said in a knightly superior tone*

  • @vivacity3989
    @vivacity3989 6 місяців тому +8

    Great way to start a Sunday!

  • @-Siculus-Hort-
    @-Siculus-Hort- 6 місяців тому +4

    nice. black orcs and savage orcs. my favorite.

  • @martynhughes5419
    @martynhughes5419 6 місяців тому +5

    Both armies looking amazing, keep up the great work covering the old world 👍

  • @WeirdWizardDave
    @WeirdWizardDave 6 місяців тому +4

    You can't target models in close combat but you can hit them with scattered AOE, cannon shot, etc so I don't see why the spell would be any different.

    • @MarkAndTerra
      @MarkAndTerra 6 місяців тому

      MM can't normally select a unit in combat as a target, but that spell never actually selects a target. The Skaven Lightning Cannon shoots the same way.

    • @michaelgwartney2672
      @michaelgwartney2672 29 днів тому

      You can't hit units engaged in melee with cannon shots

  • @killerbee398
    @killerbee398 6 місяців тому +3

    Says on page 202 in the rulebook that the characters and the mounts use their own weapons. So its correct that magic weapons are only to the wielder, and not the mount👍

  • @chewieknievel8439
    @chewieknievel8439 6 місяців тому +4

    Love seeing the Boyz come out to play. And honestly right now Orcs are my favorite army (the one I’m painting up) and the Brets are my second and I plan on collecting them over the next couple of years.
    Love your battle reports guys.

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому

      Perfect game for you then 🙌🏽

    • @chewieknievel8439
      @chewieknievel8439 6 місяців тому

      @@SNBattleReportsOk, after finally finishing this video the Bret player had the luckiest armor save rolls I have ever seen. Just god level. I actually got frustrated for the poor Orc player. He just kept up a good attitude and played on. Definitely sign of a great player.
      So glad he got that win by just toughening it out. Great game.
      I’m also sold on the Hippogryph.

  • @davidchambers331
    @davidchambers331 6 місяців тому +2

    Orcs!!!!!’ WAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH.
    Obviously Green is best and green wins

  • @bobmylan9434
    @bobmylan9434 6 місяців тому +4

    You are awesome guys your work is amazing on the old world

  • @G4uldoth
    @G4uldoth 6 місяців тому +4

    in the first combat with the duke he killed the champion in a duel, so the champion attacked twice from the dead xD. Also when a bretonnian unit flees it loses the blessing, including the damsel

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому +1

      I don’t understand what you mean with the first combat. Yes you lose BotL correct sir

    • @guillaumedubos6596
      @guillaumedubos6596 6 місяців тому +2

      Black orc champion was killed in a challenge by the duke during his very first charge, he then attacked twice over later turns. You simply forgot he was dead.

    • @Chris_da_Waaagh
      @Chris_da_Waaagh 6 місяців тому +1

      Oh did we... Damn it if we did lol!

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому +1

      @@guillaumedubos6596 bahahaha this is actually funny 😆

  • @Shacksmash
    @Shacksmash 6 місяців тому +3

    I don't know if anyone else has said this, but assailment spells are cast every turn you are in combat. Pg 108 of the rulebook describes when a spell can be cast, and assailment spells say "can be cast when wizard fights IN ANY combat phase."

  • @Pastorsito88
    @Pastorsito88 6 місяців тому +3

    i loved the battle report, but actually you cannot have 2x Knight errants units if you don't have 2x Realm units

  • @zenosAnalytic
    @zenosAnalytic 6 місяців тому +1

    I'd love to see the orcs win, but I think it'll be the Bretonnians cuz they seem like the tougher overall faction, and don't have as many finicky rules.

  • @AdamOwczarek
    @AdamOwczarek 6 місяців тому +1

    Honest thoughts; half of the battle report was great, and the other half was just ruined for me personally by the Duke on Hippogriff. As an observer, knowing it is worth a lot of points, it takes away from the fantasy of rank and flank.
    Thank you for the battle report, looking forward to more, even with my disliking of HeroHammer.

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому

      Thanks buddy! But I think you need to start getting used to it as it’s a very hero hammer addition with dragons being front line in all armies

  • @idiotproofdalek
    @idiotproofdalek 6 місяців тому +1

    Is there a reason you chose not to go with lance formation on the 10 strong unit? I can understand it probably doesn’t make a huge difference to the 6 strong units.

  • @MissJunksBits
    @MissJunksBits 6 місяців тому +2

    I always root for greenskins but I think the fancy boys are going to take come out from behind the lady's skirts and take this one. Thanks for the battle report, can't wait to see what happens!

  • @ginjasteve4435
    @ginjasteve4435 6 місяців тому +4

    Orc chariots have warband and and can reroll charges

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому +1

      Perfect thanks Steve!!

    • @Chris_da_Waaagh
      @Chris_da_Waaagh 6 місяців тому +1

      Doh... So they do! Although if this is for the peasant bowmen, when they fled they were outside of my max charge range anyway so wouldn't have mattered, but still.. you are right 😊

  • @ClydeMillerWynant
    @ClydeMillerWynant 6 місяців тому +1

    I wonder if you were to field more cavalry units that that might mean you would be better off with the lance formation as one of its benefits would be to make charging more than one unit of cavalry into the same target easier? At the moment you've got quite a lot of infantry for a Bretonnia army and perhaps as you find more opponents allocating their attacks properly as Chris did and so eliminating the grail monks that you will find the men-at-arms less effective and start replacing some of them? Of course it may be that they continue to do a good job a lot of the time as Black Orcs were always going to be too much for them, I wouldn't be too surprised to see similar outcomes for the monks and resultant breaking quite often though. I realise Chris almost missed out on getting the monk the first time though I think he could have allocated another attack or two into him if he hadn't checked his rules and found he didn't need to so would probably have killed him anyway.

  • @MarkAndTerra
    @MarkAndTerra 6 місяців тому +1

    @41:10 Can't do the pivot if you Marchhed, Charged, or Fled unfortunately.

  • @logan9900
    @logan9900 6 місяців тому +2

    I don't have any answers to stuff Pardo asked but I'll comment just for the algorithm

  • @punchyMiddleEarth
    @punchyMiddleEarth 6 місяців тому +6

    Brilliant as always lads!

  • @MisterCorback
    @MisterCorback 6 місяців тому +3

    I used to like Chris, but now I hate him for the white flag joke.

  • @tizianomerello6530
    @tizianomerello6530 6 місяців тому +5

    I love your old world battlereport!:)

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому +1

      Thank you very much! Make sure you share 😊

    • @tizianomerello6530
      @tizianomerello6530 6 місяців тому

      Guys I just noticed, at 54:29 duke strike back at I 8, but he doesn’t charged this turn because it was orc turn! Am I wrong?🤔

  • @Captain_of_Nuln
    @Captain_of_Nuln 6 місяців тому +2

    Chris, you are paragon of knowing the rules but not taking advantage of them, and playing the game the way it should be played

    • @Chris_da_Waaagh
      @Chris_da_Waaagh 6 місяців тому +1

      I still have a fair bit to learn but I thoroughly appreciate the compliment, thank you

    • @Captain_of_Nuln
      @Captain_of_Nuln 6 місяців тому +1

      @@Chris_da_Waaagh well I'd far rather play someone who know some of the rules and plays fair, than someone who knows them all and games them

  • @abeapfel8690
    @abeapfel8690 6 місяців тому +2

    This battle just reinforced why I am on the fence about the Grail Monk. They are really costly and vs a smart enemy can be targeted out of the unit.

  • @DS_painting
    @DS_painting 6 місяців тому +3

    Awesome battle report, Chris and Pardo! And great looking battlefield and armies!
    I know the game already lasted super long, but I think the Brets could have also killed enough models in their last turn to break the Orcs (And then end the game in a tie, I guess?).
    After destroying the chariot, the Duke could overrun 3D6, which puts him in charge range into the rear of the last Black Orc block for the last turn. Since it'd be a rear charge, he can't be tied up in a challenge by the unit Champion or Boss, therefore allowing him to kill as many models as possible. At the same time in the last turn, the 4 Pegasus knights could charge the savage orc unit. With these two favorable charges, the Brets should kill enough models to brings the Orcs below their breaking point.
    But an absolutely amazing battle nontheless! Love your Old World content!

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому +2

      Yeah could have happened for sure! But he would have broke point first anyway and the game finishes straight away there. Glad you enjoyed the game so much

    • @guillaumedubos6596
      @guillaumedubos6596 6 місяців тому +1

      Characters can make way into the fighting rank, so the duke could have been tied up in a challenge.

    • @DS_painting
      @DS_painting 6 місяців тому

      @@guillaumedubos6596Oh true. That's kinda wild that characters are allowed to be moved into contact immediately even when their unit is charged into the rear rank. So there's no way to evade a powerfull character in a unit even for a single round of combat

  • @russellbeaubien7430
    @russellbeaubien7430 6 місяців тому +2

    Green is DA BEST!! Ah'nd always wins!

  • @Angeloflight444
    @Angeloflight444 6 місяців тому +2

    Ok I’ll bite. I want for the Bretonnians to win and I think that they will 😄 (commenting before watching as you suggested)

    • @Chris_da_Waaagh
      @Chris_da_Waaagh 6 місяців тому +1

      😢 😂

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому +1

      For the lady!

    • @Angeloflight444
      @Angeloflight444 6 місяців тому +1

      @@Chris_da_WaaaghFinally finished the video. Congratulations on the win! Wonderful list with the amped up Black Orks! You definitely deserved the win. And you were a great opponent with stellar sportsmanship! Here’s to many more games! 🍻

    • @Chris_da_Waaagh
      @Chris_da_Waaagh 6 місяців тому +1

      @@Angeloflight444 thanks mate, really glad you enjoyed it. Because I used old world builder to make my list I forgot that only 1 unit of black orcs could be stubborn! Doh.. anyway, hopefully it didn't take away from the game. Loved playing it.

    • @Angeloflight444
      @Angeloflight444 6 місяців тому +1

      @@Chris_da_Waaagh Nah, I don’t think it took anything away! It’s a complicated game for sure. Sometimes I think they might need to streamline some stuff but then again that would maybe take away customization options for the player.

  • @feiobarbicha
    @feiobarbicha 6 місяців тому +1

    Acording to FAQ if enemy falls back in good order you count as charging but IT is same combat so you do not get rerols from haterd and other usr working only in first turn of combat

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому +1

      Correct we didn’t know until after the game which is great

  • @WarwickKinrade
    @WarwickKinrade 6 місяців тому +1

    Lovely game, nice armies, nice terrain... but why, when a unit is reduced to a few models, like 3 or less, don't you just remove the ugly big movement tray sticking out? Not really needed anymore. Like others, I find the effectiveness of super-tooled up lorda on monsters a bit tedious... everybody wants them, because, nice model, etc... but they already an obvious pick... I'll just limit them to larger games, say 2500+ pts, so they lead larger armies. I like fighting with the rank and file... also agree, archery seems a bit weak atm...

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому +1

      Well many of the models are not based correctly so need the filler in the trays to have correct size. Glad you enjoyed the game

    • @Chris_da_Waaagh
      @Chris_da_Waaagh 6 місяців тому +1

      This is why I bought my adaptor trays in single ranks, so that when a rank is completely destroyed I can remove the adaptor tray 😊

  • @Angeloflight444
    @Angeloflight444 6 місяців тому +3

    Wonderful report in general! A bit long but there was so much going on! Wishes for you to continue and always enjoy what you do 😊

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому +1

      Thank you! Yes very long took us 7 hours to record 😯

    • @Angeloflight444
      @Angeloflight444 6 місяців тому

      @@SNBattleReports OMG 😳! That’s a lot! Perhaps it would take less if a third person was shooting or if you used extra cameras? Of course it would then be a different format but you could still use some handheld footage too. Just some random thoughts, I’ve never done anything like that so I don’t have first hand experience. Just sharing a few thoughts. 🙂
      Thank you again for a wonderful report! 🙂

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому +1

      @@Angeloflight444 very difficult to get a extra guy in when nobody does this ful time problem is also more cameras is more work

    • @Angeloflight444
      @Angeloflight444 6 місяців тому

      @@SNBattleReports I see. Thank you for your reply 🙂. It helps to know some of the inner workings of how you guys make things.

  • @connerhurd277
    @connerhurd277 6 місяців тому +1

    I think after you kill the challenger the other attacks go away. Since it was a “challenge” and you killed him, it won’t spill over. I feel like that defeats the whole purpose of the challenge.

  • @ginjasteve4435
    @ginjasteve4435 6 місяців тому +2

    To cast spells they need to be within your arc of sight but to not need line of sight unless specified

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому

      Thanks Champ was s bit confused when recording

  • @peterhairston4629
    @peterhairston4629 6 місяців тому +1

    I'd tend to think the challenge ends when one combatant dies/verminous valors/etc

  • @idiotproofdalek
    @idiotproofdalek 6 місяців тому +1

    FBIGO is a flee move so swiftstride applies

  • @Talen900
    @Talen900 6 місяців тому +3

    Lovely brettonians!

  • @SkinkChief
    @SkinkChief 6 місяців тому +2

    Lovely models guys

  • @nathanvarley542
    @nathanvarley542 6 місяців тому +3

    I love seeing the Bretonnians on the field. All the knights look amazing!

  • @JakeStacyHerrod-cx2ms
    @JakeStacyHerrod-cx2ms 6 місяців тому +1

    Definitely not a fan of rolling a dice to decide if he can shoot his magic missile and then you changing your mind! It’s not targeting a unit so he can shoot it wherever, even hitting his own troops I imagine. Love your reports nonetheless! Chris you seem like a great sport to play against!

    • @Chris_da_Waaagh
      @Chris_da_Waaagh 6 місяців тому

      Thanks, but as much as I would have liked to have done it, it's always better to give the benefit to the opponent if I'm unsure. I think there's probably a general consensus now that it can be done... So Ill do it next time 😊

    • @temus2858
      @temus2858 6 місяців тому

      A magic MUST target a unit (it's in the rule of magic misile). The fact than you draw a line to know how many hits you get dont change the nature of the spell (a magic missile). In my mind they have made the good choice. You can't target a unit engaged in close combat so your magic missile can't target them.

  • @jameswoodward7545
    @jameswoodward7545 6 місяців тому +3

    Timely! TY

  • @jurgen4466
    @jurgen4466 6 місяців тому +2

    Black Ork x2
    Hate Brettonia 🤔

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому

      Sad times…

    • @jurgen4466
      @jurgen4466 6 місяців тому

      Nothing sad about that.
      Brettonia now just go all fly monsters and Knights.
      And maybe some cheap large inf unit. They are incredible boring to battle.
      Just my 2cents 🤔

  • @troydavis2934
    @troydavis2934 6 місяців тому +2

    Degeneration X proudly brings to you it's tag team champions of the worrrrrrrrrrld! The Roaddog Jesse James, The Badass Billy Gunn! The New Age Outlaws!!!!

  • @joelockhart6309
    @joelockhart6309 6 місяців тому +2

    Great game! Looking forward to get the new ork stuff

  • @kieranpurves1488
    @kieranpurves1488 5 місяців тому +1

    Bretonnia for the win today, the charge of the knights breaking the orcs

  • @jpf338
    @jpf338 6 місяців тому +1

    Shooting is a tricky thing, it seems like it's either too powerful or luck luster. I don't know what would be good solution. I think that as always the best position would be if they were really good but hard to use, so for example if bowmen would be really good but only in certain positions that is hard to achieve then good player could use them, and good opponents deny them. But is easier say than done.

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому

      We need a cap on 2 modifiers

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому

      We also need archers to be able to fire over units with a modifier

    • @jpf338
      @jpf338 6 місяців тому

      ​@@SNBattleReportsI might be to ambitious but I would like to have at least 3 types of projectile units with different strengths and weaknesses. For example bretonian archers would be a typical attrition unit, as you pointed they can shoot over units, cap at -2, long as range (I would go longer that 75cm) they don't make much damage but the chip constantly 2-3 wound and their damage input is almost constant since they will have long range and shoot over units.
      On the other hand gunner could be shock type missile weapon, great damage output, low range, can't shoot over units, the player then would need to expertly position then since they have a narrow window of opportunity to achieve their goal, but if used correctly they have 1 o 2 round were they could make the difference if they target the correct enemy.
      Well I can dream I guess...

  • @kivati
    @kivati 6 місяців тому +2

    Hello buddy, just a note on the giant attacks, he can only pick up infantry.

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому

      Yes we saw after! Thanks! Good thing it didn’t happen

    • @kivati
      @kivati 6 місяців тому

      Haha, yes indeed!

  • @Justostar9
    @Justostar9 6 місяців тому +2

    Great battle report! Regarding the deployment criticism, I feel like you took it really well and made the intro + deployment much more interesting.

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому +1

      Thanks 🙏🏽 good criticism is always good

  • @EntropicEcho
    @EntropicEcho 6 місяців тому +1

    Absolutely love the trees. Are they made from real roots/plants?

  • @tkwast6280
    @tkwast6280 5 місяців тому +1

    Orcs win (thats because I play 40K Orcs)

  • @CygnusMaximusXIII
    @CygnusMaximusXIII 6 місяців тому +1

    Pardo's choice to blasphemously use standard formation instead of the glorious Lance combined with his forgetting to pray before rolling means he should be exiled!
    Next game, he should definitely use a Bretonnian Exiles army as penance!

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому

      Haha I’m actually building a cannon so….

  • @BakeryPirate
    @BakeryPirate 6 місяців тому +1

    Any army of Black Orcs? They can't lose!

  • @purplefood1
    @purplefood1 6 місяців тому +1

    I'm fairly sure that Earthen Rampart should have gone off in turn 1, level 3 adds 3 to the dice roll and orcs have a rule where their orc casters get mob rule +1if the unit strength is 10 or more.

    • @Chris_da_Waaagh
      @Chris_da_Waaagh 6 місяців тому +2

      Hey mate sadly not. The shaman has to be in a unit of 10 or more orcs for him to get the +1. And because of the flying carpet, I couldn't join a unit.

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому +1

      Chris just answered that for us both 😆

    • @purplefood1
      @purplefood1 6 місяців тому

      @@Chris_da_Waaagh Ah good shout somehow i forgot about that.

  • @frankbarin521
    @frankbarin521 6 місяців тому +1

    Brettonians will outmanoeuvre the orcs and win.

  • @MarkAndTerra
    @MarkAndTerra 6 місяців тому

    @2:35:41 When a Unit Panics from being Fled Through it will flee feom the nearest enemy unit. If the unit that Paniced is above half strength this is a Fall Back in Good Order.
    Note that FBIGO is a Flee, with the only exceptions being the distance and that the unit automatically rallies at the end. Otherwise the unit moves as if Fleeing and will cause Panic in units nearby or Fled through. You seemed to have some questions about this at some points, so that might clear it up.
    @2:43:38 Attacks with Multiple Wounds do count the full Wounds they caused in a challenge for Overkill.

  • @xblue_kennyx4519
    @xblue_kennyx4519 Місяць тому

    Chris it's the most honourable orc fighter 😍 brilliant battle report guys, great attitude from both of you. Keep it up, definitely following you guys and binging your content 🤣

  • @kandrenai
    @kandrenai 5 місяців тому

    My guess is that the Orcs are going to win. I don't like orcs or that orc list but when compared to that horrendous Brettonian list they're amazing. I don't understand this 'testing' since its clear that you're just nerfing yourself by using weak units and weaker formations. Oh well, I'm about to see the result so maybe the Bretonnians can hold.
    Saw the conclusion. Of course Bretonnians lost. I guessed it. The coping at the end about the formations was funny.

  • @FortuneFaded2006
    @FortuneFaded2006 6 місяців тому +1

    Loving the old world content and i hope its doing good for the channel. Thanks so much guys

  • @MarkAndTerra
    @MarkAndTerra 6 місяців тому

    Remember to take Panic checks when units Flee a combat (Break or FBIGO). When the Knights lost the first combat I believe the Men at Arms were within 6" to take a Panic check.

  • @philippebertrand2216
    @philippebertrand2216 6 місяців тому +2

    love this french knignts !!

  • @thel1chking
    @thel1chking 6 місяців тому +2

    wonderfully painted armies!

  • @Katiefan123
    @Katiefan123 6 місяців тому

    knight not in lance formation...the lady is sad trying different stuff is all well and good but )im typing this as you deploy) any bad luck is because of your lack of lance formation. thanks for another old world video, thank you. orcs will win.

  • @zenosAnalytic
    @zenosAnalytic 6 місяців тому

    re: gaze of gork, given that it mentions hitting your own units, I'd lean towards allowing it to be fired into combat, even if other magic missile spells generally cant be.

  • @MarkAndTerra
    @MarkAndTerra 6 місяців тому

    @52:45 I think you could have used Stubborn, it says that the Unit can "choose not to (make a Break test)" and instead Fall Back in Good Order.

  • @idiotproofdalek
    @idiotproofdalek 6 місяців тому +1

    Chariot wouldn’t be impetuous so close to the Black Orcs

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому

      Why is this?

    • @Chris_da_Waaagh
      @Chris_da_Waaagh 6 місяців тому +1

      True.. black orcs have quell impetuosity. Didn't matter anyway tbh

  • @culppepper
    @culppepper 6 місяців тому +2

    Saludos cordiales 😃😁😅😂

  • @zenosAnalytic
    @zenosAnalytic 6 місяців тому

    re: the black orc charge at 46mins; didn't y'all say something about rerolling 1s on a waaagh?

  • @littleappocolypse
    @littleappocolypse 5 місяців тому

    You can 100% use gaze of gork against units in combat just like with cannons

  • @tomrulz11
    @tomrulz11 6 місяців тому +1

    Orks will win

  • @vivifresh
    @vivifresh 6 місяців тому +1

    You can only take 1 unit of black orcs in the entire army with stubborn but for 50pt you could get the second unit but never the third. Great batrep!

    • @Chris_da_Waaagh
      @Chris_da_Waaagh 6 місяців тому

      Ahh yes of course! Curse of the army building app haha. You are definitely right. Hopefully it didn't take away from the game much and hope you enjoyed 😊

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому

      Nice spot thanks.

  • @newtpondskipper
    @newtpondskipper 6 місяців тому +2

    Greenskins forever! Love the show!

  • @AllbinP
    @AllbinP 6 місяців тому +2

    Waaagh!

  • @thomasc6684
    @thomasc6684 6 місяців тому +2

    Close game! Looking forward to seeing the next one.

  • @kevoreilly6557
    @kevoreilly6557 6 місяців тому

    Challenge ends at the end of all attacks - otherwise challenging is cheese to avoid overkill
    No cheese monkeys please

  • @warkatwargaming2358
    @warkatwargaming2358 6 місяців тому +1

    Loving the Old Wolrd
    Loving this channel
    Loving the Freddy Fazbear reference
    19 mins in....think the Black Orks are going to win

    • @SNBattleReports
      @SNBattleReports  6 місяців тому

      Haha thanks! Enjoy the rest of the battle! Waaaaaghhhh

  • @Willabrador
    @Willabrador 6 місяців тому +2

    Love it boys. Thanks!

  • @davidcormode2700
    @davidcormode2700 5 місяців тому +1

    Great battle rep guys - so many charges and counter charges! I also really enjoy the gentlemanly play of Chris - I am looking forward to seeing him back again soon!