Dwarfen Mountain Holds vs Orc & Goblin Tribes - Warhammer Old World (Battle Report)
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Dwarfen Mountain Holds
King - shieldbearers, great weapon, with Rune of Master Adamant, 289pts
Thane - BSB, Rune of Fear, 115pts
Runesmith - great weapon, Master Runs of Balance, 107pts
Daemon Slayer - Great Weapon, Grudge Rune, 154pts
Core
29 x Dwarf Warriors, FC, Shields- 276pts
29 x dwarf warriors, great weapons, shields,
305pts
15 x Quarrellers, FC - 150pts
15 x Thunderers, FC - 165pts
15 x Trolls slayers - FC, 207pts
Cannon - Rune of Forging 115pts
Organ gun - 120pfts
ORCS & GOBLIN TRIBES
General:
Black Orc Warboss "Gorlag Gutspilla"
Da Bosses Axe (Ogre Blade)
Da Sparkley Amulet Fing (Talisman of Protection)
Other Characters:
Black Orc Big Boss "Loo-Tenant Brog Dawi-Smasha"
Great weapon
Someone's Wedding Ring (Ruby ring of Ruin)
Black Orc Big Boss Battle Standard Bearer "Hulka One-Eye"
Choppa
Orc Weirdnob "Kevin"
Level 3
Beat sticks with the voices of Gork & Mork (Lore Familiar)
Spell Lore: Waaagh Magic
Core:
22 Black Orcs
Full Command
War Banner
Choppas & Shields
10 "Savage" Orc Big Uns
Full Command
Frenzy
Warpaint
Big Un's upgrade
Shields & Thrusting Spears
Big Stabbas
Razor Standard
Skirmishers
Special:
17 Black Orcs
Champion, Standard Bearer
Great Weapons
14 Black Orcs
Champion, Standard Bearer
Rampaging Banner
Two Hand Weapons
Da Big Badlands Pig Rida (Orc Boar Chariot)
Da Spear Chukka (Goblin Bolt Thrower)
Rare:
Goblin Rock Lobber
Da Incredible Bulk (Giant)
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Loving the Old World Content. Beautiful armies shot with hand cam? Perfect combination. Best Old World on UA-cam.
This is amazing to hear thanks!
Thanks so much!! We love the more immersive experience you get with a hand cam, feels like you’re there! 😊
Yes! Hand cam is so important for me, makes you feel like your are actually there, zooming on units to look at the cool details
Two of my favourite WHFB races knocking heads… love it!
More to come too! Chaos Warriors next 💪
Good battle report, maybe a bit blocks bashing each other but the giving ground and new break tests add some spice to things. Very pleased you managed to get another rep so soon. The board is great, i love the battlemat, and Chris' orcs really are fantastic, the red scheme on the Dwarfs also looked nice.
Thank you very much, really appreciate it. Yeah it will add greater depth when I get some speed into my orc army.
Lovely looking Orc Army. They were my love in old fantasy, formed a core of my army. So well painted as well. So glad Old World is back
Thank you. I got a few things wrong but I only got the rules 2 nights before. Hopefully a slight hiccup with the orcs rules doesn't detract from any immersion
Same here the Old World coming back is huge ❤
They are amazing
@@Chris_da_Waaagh Rome wasnt built in a day, if anything was missed it didnt detract from a great batrep. There was loot, teef and krumpin done so the Orc gods are happy
Fantastic battle report (and such a lovely Orc army !!).
Just one side note for your camera setting: do not choose AWB (auto white balance), as it tends to change colour temperature all the time. Maybe choose another setting, like Daylight, and stick to it :)
1:11:55 Quarrellers are Closed Order which adds an extra 1. They do not get a +1 for having a rank, because that bonus is for ranks behind the first. So same math in the end there, but figured I should mention.
Thanks Chris! 😊
@sn_dc A couple things I noticed you missed after that is the Armour Bane from the Runesmith (he gives it to the unit) and Deathblow on the Slayers.
edit: Nevermind on Deathblow, just got to the bit where yall remembered.
The only time a friend of mine managed to kill anyone with his Tomb King's death curse was with an encounter with a giant. Sadly the giant then fell and killed the army's hierophant. So a bit of a shame they removed the randomness of Timber. ^^*
That sound amazing hahaha 😂😂 thousands of years old and gets crushed by a giant he killed
@@sn_dc Even better. Killed by the giant who died from the King's curse which were released when the King died by the very same giant. So the giant killed the King, died from his curse and fell and killed the hierophant.
This is excellent. I agree about the magic pool though, i think a magic pool implemented with casting in each phase would be epic.
Thanks Stefan! And yer a magic pool would be very cool like the old days haha I’m sure someone will modify it
I agree
The Magic rules in this edition are as dull as dishwater.
I much prefer this new magic, much more straightforward and simpler to use 😊
And position of your Wizards is key to use them to good effect now both offensiv and defensive.
As well not being able to cast while marching and just some combat/self spells can be used in combat movement of Wizards are really important
Just 'evy infantry bashing away at eachother. Love it.
🔥
Man, I’m excited for Saturday/Sunday. My friends and I set this weekend aside as soon as we found out. I definitely plan on playing my Bret’s, Dwarfs, and Warriors of Chaos if we can fit them in.
Four 42-43 year old men eating wings and playing Warhammer Fantasy as we’ve done for 30 years.
That sounds like the best weekend ❤ enjoy your wings & warhammer!! Let us know who wins ⚔️💪
Love the battle report and the presentation - please make more 😊
More on the way! Chaos Warriors next! 💪⚔️
Nice! Will there be Beastmen some day?
Thanks
Dear diary, the orcs were mean to me today…
😂😂😂 they bullied me!!
😂
My only critique for the otherwise gorgeous board is that it’s effectively a moonscape if you shove all the terrain into the corners. It’s just putting things on the table when it’s not going to be a factor in the battle outside of aesthetic presentation. It’s a tendency that always bothered me about WHFB games
Fair comment! The board was made up to be like a ‘road-block’ as per the narrative intro (also with burnt out buildings) but I get you we could have added something in the middle? We’re working on more OW terrain for future games 😊
Not a problem. It was my first game and it took like 8hrs to record cause i was constantly checking rules so I'll take that lol
Future games will have terrain... Maybe a wood or 3... To house some inhabitants that may live there some say....
Cheers, guys! I figured it was arranged so you guys could come to grips with the rules, and because it was supposed to be a kind of ‘mountain pass’ situation.
I’m biased towards terrain, being a wood elf player, but my experience in 8th edition was that many generals got mad about terrain because it ‘interfered’ with the 4d chess they thought they were playing haha
I like difficult and dangerous terrain in games just to spice it up, and to make certain parts of the battlefield good for defending or attacking. Losing a model or two in dangerous terrain out of a block of 20 shouldn’t be a disaster anyway. I also like hills generally, because having low or high ground matters and it adds additional variety to the table.
Thanks for the great battle report and keep up the good work! :)
I love that game mat. What company made it?
Lovely Battle Report Guys :) Thanks !
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed! ❤
Glad you enjoyed it!
My heart is always with the dwarfs they were my first army 30 odd years ago. They always seemed to disappoint me. Apart from gunline they were not great. Now i feel with the way war machines have been dimmed down and the dwarfs are just too slow it will be more pain for me. If the new book gives us back slayer armies led by Ungrim Ill go that way.
Great report! My fave channel for battle reports, now covering my two systems, TOW and 30k. Keep up the good work. This sort of content is why I am a member!
Awww thanks brother! ♥️
Beautiful armies! Those Black Orcs are especially gorgeous.
Thanks
Great report guys! I can’t wait to hop back into classic Warhammer fantasy!
Thanks so much!! I’m glad you’re getting back into it, we’ve been having a lot of fun with Old World
So glad WFB is back. The lore is top notch. The armies full of characterful minis. And it is fundamentally a different tactical challenge from 40K and Sigmar. Yeah sure it's a bit more complex and clunky that the new rules systems but it's worth the effort. Hopefully it is well supported and we see it continue for a long time.
I am not an Orc fan, but those Orcs, especially the ones brought over from AoS, look sick. Great paint job as well.
Thank you, much appreciated
Thank you very much!
Excellent BatRep, but how about a turtorial on those trees?!~
Sadly was not done by us
I dig how the dwarf player has a beard and the orc player is wearing green :D
Totally intentional lmao
😂
Saw a leak of the o&g rules and looks like lucky shrunken head has disappeared so a big block of savage orc biguns might not exist anymore.
You can make a big block for fun still! Chris is painting more up!
@sn_dc oh deffo just the o&g army of my dreams from before the end times won't happen. However I see chariots can have frenzy and warpaint so won't need to do just looks like a savage orc chariot and can actually have one
@@chrisbaker91sadly because of the army entries etc, you can only have 0-1 unit of frenzied orc boys per 1000 points which is disappointing. Meaning at 2k points you cannot run more than 2 units of savage orc boys. However, although having no proof of this, I genuinely believe when the orc and goblin tribes arcane journal comes out, there will likely be a savage orc army list under the armies of infamy. Also, you can just play friendly games the way you want with friends. Ignore the 0-1 rule. Cause rule of cool should always win out
yay! Such positive flow, such beatiful armies. I love it.
Keep'em going.
Have a great week.
Thank you! You too!
lol, bolt throwers have AP-3 and cannons have AP-2?
I'm finding shooting is underwhelming except for the odd war machine. You spend all those points to get rid of maybe 10 models just to have 5 savage orcs run through the squishy firing line. 50pts of dudes rips through almost 400 points. Another large unit of warriors for the organ gun, thunderers and quarrellers you probably would have held the line. Warriors traded very well with the Black orcs. The slayers too. Maybe if you concentrated fire from the beginning but still that's dedicating 400 points to destroy like 100 and they're next to useless the back half of the game when everything is locked in a fight. A solid block of infantry would have blunted the savage orcs and saved you from getting flanked. The dwarf line would have held out all game and that would give time for the other unit of warriors to get stuck in.
I think just the way Warhammer plays out, ranged units are hardly worth taking in large numbers because you can't really maximize effectiveness without a large frontage. Back ranks serve as nothing but a buffer for casualties. You need elevation to put your ranged behind the front rank, but then what do you shoot at once everything is engaged? I think the ranged damage incentive from rank and file is a trap, only real useful for picking off small specialist/elite units which die just as easy as the rest. Even then, given how sturdy good line infantry is proving to be in this new version with the fall back changes, just go with some solid infantry. The battlefield dimensions are of little help being wide and shallow. It incentivizes placement of ranged units up front where there is little to chance they'll cause enough damage to impact the front line.
Probably want to avoid overinvesting in shooting as it has little value in battlefield control. Everything I'm seeing now favors the big infantry blocks that don't get overrun so easily anymore. You actually get the benefit of paying for every model in an the block. Basic chaff infantry are blunting cavalry charges supported by characters. This overrun meta from previous editions is over. The line will hold for several turns of combat until you actually kill the majority of the unit or just get lucky, but that's not very reliable. That used to be the meat an potatoes of the game as well as the easiest way to rack up points.
In this version I think ranged units should be taken sparingly and the emphasis on place on the battle line. Try taking ranged in many small units, like instead of 15 go three units of 5 each with a champion and squeezed in gaps or on flanks. If someone comes after them they are choked off or left out of position. Probably easier to maneuver/position. You can still concentrate fire and if one gets destroyed or locked in combat you don't have a whole load of ranged units tied up in combat. You want something for those points to do other than the first 2 turns.
TLDR: I think the sturdiness of rank infantry now diminishes the impact of ranged firepower as anything other than a supplemental and specialized role.
War machine aren't that great but dwarfs quarrellers are only 1 point more then warriors but they have 1 less weapons skill and no shield wall. So their not to bad if their ranked up.
@grlmgor That WS makes a difference. But either way, are you going to rank them up? Probably not, they still gonna cause more damage on a stand and shoot than a melee brawl. If you are paying for a large ranged unit it doesn't make sense to sacrifice a turn of shooting to reform.
I can see the rules still support the second rank of fire from elevated position, so ranged units on a hill I think can justify the cost of more models. Otherwise, for the cost I think a war machine is much better with the smaller footprint and it's damage output doesn't diminish as it can't lose models while it dies.
The war machines work better IMO.
Excellent to see the old world finally here. Been about since 5th Ed.
Same!! My first box was Brets vs Lizardmen ❤ next up we’re recording Chaos Warriors 💪
Thank you for remembering Ancient Grudges/hatred. I've watched a bunch of battle reports where they completely forget, and a Dwarf Lord whiffs all his attacks. Throws the game results. (Oops, you forgot slayer deathblows.)
Always aim ten inches from the rear of your target, unless your instincts tell you otherwise. Still, I like the semi-guess range skills showing through on the cannon. I was really good back in 6th Edition. People accused me of cheating, or pre-measuring. Truth is, I just drilled. Formed a practice gunline, and marched troops at it.
I still miss 8th Edition, despite the horrible magic abuse.
Sure you didn't do the cannon firing wrong? Don't have TOW rules, but in WFB you:
1. Picked a point within range.
2. Rolled Artillery dice for extra random flight distance - misfire here means something went wrong with the cannon.
3. Rolled Artillery dice for bounce distance - misfire here means ball stuck in the ground with no bounce.
Seems you skipped the second part?
If you skip part 2, there's no reason to not just place the marker right infront of the target - unless you have friendly units directly behind the target of course.
Just watching through but we played it as you say... Lemme check it as I watch through :)
Yea. Pretty sure that's not how cannons work
@@Chris_da_Waaagh 21:50 Here you seem to just pick a point and go straight to the bounce.
I think it's just the wording when DC said it goes straight through. What actually happened was he picked a point and rolled the artillery dice. That added 10 inches which landed on the back of my stone thrower so it was hit. We just didn't roll to see how far it rolled through after because there were no more models behind it so it didn't matter.
Where's the building terrain from guys? Lovely looking stuff.
It’s an old resin set! I’m not sure where from I think Pardo told me the company no longer exists
Great game and I like your calm friendly presentation 🎉
Looking forward to more 😊
Regarding magic i much prefer this new (old world) variant. The inclusion of magic in all phases, the importance of position of wizard both offensiv and defensive is critical and the
straight forward simplicity of how to cast. Love it! ❤
Thanks for the tips! And thanks for watching
1:56:23 do BSBs explode when they flee or is that just unit standard bearers? And maybe not in this edition 🤷♂️
Nah, they don't explode. You will only get the points for the battle standard banner if he's dead, fleeing at the end of the game or flees off the table. That's the only way you can claim 50pts of trophies of war from them.
Ahh I finally found a battle report channel I like nice
Thanks 🙏🏽 ❤️
Awww that’s nice to say! Thanks ❤
Excellent bat rep! Starting my OandG army as soon as I can get my hands on some models. I have to ask though…. The black orcs. Are they just painted black and edged with a silver in a chipping/scratching method? They look fantastic and if that is the case I have been severely over thinking it for my black armor😂😂. Would love to know thanks again!
Will try get the painter to answer ♥️
Hey mate, I can confirm, the black orcs are primed with chaos black spray and then rough, chipping-like edge highlighted with iron hands steel. That's it. Simple. When I started I had been doing washes and all sorts and it just took too long. So I tried to simplify it without losing too much quality
@@Chris_da_Waaagh have a squad of black orcs I’m looking to build next, absolutely will be taking this approach. Looks so similar to how I was painting black armor but with 3 less steps haha! Thank you again they look fantastic.
- I think war machines can be destroyed in two ways. You kill the crew or destroy it. Therefore if you hit canon crew (with canon shoot) you can additionally kill one of its crew (and wound canon). Check only if war machine doesn't stop cannonballs like Behemot
- Big units like giants see above others and can be seen by everybody therefore all ranks can shoot at them
- You are right bolt thrower don't need to kill. It auto hit a number of models equal of ranks in the unit
- Deamon slayer doesn't have Monster Killing Blow?
- Close order stack (you can add multiple close order +1 for every unit in combat)
Hello 👋
War machines count as one unit, so you can put your crew on the base, which means there isn’t an option to differentiate between crew and machine - from what we read
love to see black orcs back in big blobs :D
Awesome isn’t it
The only way to run them! ❤️
Apologies. Couple of things we got wrong but posting it so people (including us) can learn from it:
1. orc boys dont have furious charge. Just black orcs.
2. We forgot deathblow on slayers
3. Placeholder.
4. Need to remember models in first rank get 1 attack even when not in base contact
5. I forgot an impetuous test on my chariot in turn 2.
That’s you punished for a week with bo Ipad then…
@@SNBattleReportsbut daaaad 😂
As written in the rulebook, it seems special rules (like armour bane) do stack.
@@Kingofgames10101 win er I'll remove it from the list. Thanks mate
Not sure the Orc BSB could rally on anything else than a double 1 considering he was part of a unit that was wiped out, so below 25%. If he can, that means it's always better not to kill the last remaining orc model so as to prevent the BSB from rallying.
You forgot the cannonball bounce in Turn1
Yeah this has been said in a couple of other comments. Sadly it was how we worded it rather than it being wrong. We added the 10 to the spot and it hit the back of my rock lobber and then we just didn't roll to see how far it went after that because I had nothing behind my unit. Appreciate it wasn't very clear
I want to find somebody to play with the Warhammer Magic rules from 5th Edition. The magic phase is basically a card game in between turns.
Maybe I'm wrong but from other battle reports isn't charge distance 2d6 pick the highest plus your movement? Unless that's just with swift stride . Loving it still . Thz for th content
Yeah it's 2d6, pick highest plus movement. That's how we played it. Maybe you're referring to the orcs on the cameras left flank. They had a magic spell cast on them that added d3 inches to their charge on top of that.
That’s how we played it sir. 😃
@@SNBattleReports I might have misunderstood then. Thx for clarifying. Trying to get familiar with it before release.
i mean, those beautiful boys did the work! great stuff lads! and ofc the #dwarflordISstubborn
Thanks as always Titius! ❤ always look forward to your comments haha
Naked boys: Waaaagh of the Buttonz
Now that is an eye catching movie title haha
Awesome bat rep guys!!!!
Thanks Champ x
Taken me around 3 nights to watch this full video and it's been amazing, I am looking forward to future content of the old world, hopefully see you boys as some tournaments if your down Wales!
♥️ 😊
Wales! 🏴🏴🏴 i’ll probably be around at some stage! Haha where abouts in Wales?
@@sn_dc personally in the valleys but my gaming group is Cardiff we play in firestorm!
Always a pleasure to see Chris and his orcs and to chat with him when he pops over to Portsmouth
Ahh how's it going mate! Hope you guys are enjoying old world back in Pompey!
@@Chris_da_Waaaghwe’re excited to get our armies tournament ready that’s for sure
More, please more !
🙌🏽 🔥
Chaos Warriors next!!
Hell yes, great stuff
Haha Enjoy 😉
Thanks Scott!! ❤
Love these battle reports. Thank you! Keep them coming dudes!
You are very welcome
Appreciate it! More on the way ❤
When I see warhammer battle reports my impression is always that ranged attacks does too little. You need to hit, then wound, then they saves, and at the end nothing died...
Yep they never want to make it that strong as will change the dynamic of the game to much if they did
Where Re the charge tokens from out of curiosity
Those are mine from a long time ago! I think the company was Gale Force 9 ? But I could be mistaken 😅
Beautiful/impressive orc army
Thank you very much. More tj come but I'm a very slow painter!
Indeed it is!
Need to wait until Saturday obviously to get the book infront of me, but every other time I've seen a cannon used in a ToW batrep it still does the double bounce (ie, place your marker then roll to see what extra distance you get THEN bounce - basically just missing out the guess range step from 7th and earlier). Reading the 8th book (an edition I never played to be fair) it seems it works exactly the same as that edition?
It does mate. This is in another comment. We done it right, it just wasn't explained right. The 10 was added to his position and it hit the rock lobber but we didn't roll against cause nothing was behind it. The rest of the shots are played out better for the camera. Hope you like the video and feel immersed 😊
@@Chris_da_Waaagh ah, no drama.
Does anyone know what the game mat is? It looks sharp.
I believe it’s P Works!
Ooooh, kept forgetting the deathblows for the Slayers! I wonder if that would have changed much for the big grundy combat?
EDIT: It just got noticed at the end lol. Lots of new rules to remember eh
I love the gaming mat and the trees. Where can I get them?
Thx for this iconic battle between the dwarves and greenskins
Had to be done!! And I think the trees were custom made (not by me hahah) and the gothic ruins is from a company I believe isn’t around anymore sadly! 😢
Dwarf cannons were d3 in 6th and 7th, 8th bumped them up to d6 for some reason. 4th/5th they were d4 damage, interestingly enough.
I always ran the Rune of Adamant. Toughness 10 is amazing.
DC should have bought him the rune of longer legs am I right?! 😂😂
Oh man I positioned them wrong, in my defence you swung to the other flank!
Love the proxies used. Great fight
Thanks! Yer Chris has come great ideas on other model options for units 😊
When the slayers overran from the giant into the black orcs, do they not fight again? I've heard that you do fight if you overrun into another unit but could easily be wrong lol.
Will need to recheck this thanks
you just need to put down *AS MANY SPEAR CHUKKAS AS ALLOWED* to reap the reward :D its pretty decent actually
With spells like 'Ere we Go that target self and affect units in command range, it works on ALL units in command range when it goes off. So not only Savage orcs got the 'Ere we go but all Black orcs as well.
Great game! Savage Orcs were shockingly good.
There is a good stream game on Play On Channel which shows lot of magic play and how it works now. I think it is pretty good system where magic isn't broken but still impactful.
That’s so true! Chris was playing on harder mode I guess 😅
More Old World content please! =)
Yes more coming
Wood Elves vs beastmen next!
Awesome paint jobs, you are both cool dudes .
Glad your enjoyed bro! ❤
Thank you so much 😀
Loving the fantasy battles! Yall seem to be the only ones atm not doing either empire or brettonia and Tomb kings. It's a real draw.
Also fantastic looking armies on both sides
Well done to you both!
Thank you really appreciate it. I'm a very slow painter but I'll try get more orcs done
We’ve got Warriors of Chaos up next!! 💪⚔️
@@sn_dc ayyy let's go!!!
Love the return of Warhammer Fantasy Battle with The Old World! Thank you for diving into my favorite game. Where can I get that mat, it's beautiful!
Thanks a lot! More reports coming ! And the mat is P Works I believe 👍
Pworks is the one!
Great to see the Old World content continue apace!
Enjoy Champ
More coming! Chaos Warriors next 😎
@@sn_dc ooh yeah, I’m working on them atm!
@@The_Captain40k epic! What’s the list?
@@sn_dc right now just focusing on 1k to get started so 20 warriors, 10 knights, 10 chosen, some warhounds and a couple of characters. Nice high points values and they have shiny new AoS models!
When you stand and shoot I think you can shoot with all of your models!
Those Fall Back In Good Order moves are being moved 1” at best
What's an inch between friends 😂
Man you’ve got a sharp eye! 😂 caught me out on my plans
Dwarves also only have little legs. Their stride doesn't allow them to fall back that far in one go lol.
Great game & fun to watch! So happy that the old fantasy is back! While preparing my dwarfs, brets and orc & goblings armys to table its nice to relearn the game with help of you:)
Enjoy buddy
I love and own both armies but I legally can't cheer for a dwarf army with no gyrocopters. 😉
Haha 😆
I think Quarrelers should be able to stand and shoot the Savage Orcs. They didn't seem to be too close.
Nevermind, you did it in the combat phase...
Hold up- somebody tell me (as my rule book is still in transit): On turn one, the Orc rock lobba rolled what USED to be a direct hit, but the orc player used the direct hit indicator as a direction where the rock would land.
Is this how it’s supposed to work now? Is there no such thing as a direct hit on the scatter dice?
It’s called ‘Indirect fire’ it’s a rule for Bombardment that offers the ability to fire at targets out of line of sight but you can never get a direct hit. You have to use the Hit icons arrow - hope that helps 😊
@@sn_dc thanks!
Seems like a bit of a dwarf favored table setup lol
Hence I put the naked disposables out front in my cunning but brutal plan :) in all honesty this was my first game so I didn't want too much in the way whilst I was learning lol.
100% I was trying anything I could to win 😂
the fact you've got old grimgor ironhides model in this video gets my sub awesome stuff another great video fantastically painted armies aswell
Thank you very much
So, I believe you misunderstood how the cannons work. the first roll determines if the cannon misfires or not, but also how far the cannonball lands from the first point. The second roll then determines how far the cannon ball bounces from THAT point.
Hey mate this is in other comments too. We played it correctly, it just wasn't explained right. The 10 inches rolled on the artillery dice was added to the spot and it hit the back of my rock lobber. We just didn't roll again after that to see how far it rolled through because I didn't have another unit behind so it didn't matter. Subsequent turns are explained and shown better. Hope you enjoyed the game 😊
What Chris said 👆🏼also Chris you’re up early! 😂
Drift/overshoot then bounce. Think master engineers and other engineer type characters used to be able to reduce /reroll those artillery dice to make cannons more effective
@@demigodace you can still take engineers, actually!
Great Batrep. You forgot deathblow on the slayers ;) and leadership tests to restrain from the follow-up/pursue.
Yeah we remember at the end. This videoing games is actually harder than it looks lol. Especially after a day at work. But yes you are correct 😊
@@Chris_da_Waaagh oh yeah no criticism here. Just reminding you in case you didn't remember yourself. Everyone is still learning the new rules and playing a "new" army is always challenging :)
@@nobonobnob5174 100% mate. It's a really great game too. Hope you're enjoying all the hype surrounding it. Appreciate the comment for sure, helps us all learn :)
Good battle! Shooting doesn't seem as powerful as I expected.
@cw4276 Excellent stuff and lovely to see Chris! Haven't seen him since DNTL. Didnt even know you played!
Dave! Been about 10 years since I've seen you! Hope you're keeping well. Yeah I was into 6th edition fantasy as a teenager, played into 7th and 8th and then left the hobby until pretty much COVID lockdown where I needed a hobby for my sanity so I decided to go back to my youth and build the army I always wanted.
@@Chris_da_Waaagh I'm very well mate, been a very long time! I also got back into the hobby over COVID and have been playing a lot of 6th over the last year as well as some 40K. I've got a fair sized Dwarf army, probably about 4k in 6th pts and am in the process of putting together an Empire army too. You outside now?
@@preece1188 nice, maybe try to get a game in some time! Not out just yet :) you'll enjoy Old World it's really good. I'm thoroughly enjoying the hype surrounding it and trying to curb my desire to spend all my money right now!
@@Chris_da_Waaagh I'd definitely be up for that, O&G Vs Dwarfs sounds tempting! 7years since I left in March! Where did the time go? I've only got the books ordered so far but when the Dwarf and Empire boxes drop, I'll be selling kidneys!
Get a room guys!
Is there any animosity in this edition?
There is not. The orcs instead have impetuous
dwarfs were my first ever miniatures. love to see them!
First tow battle report i finished watching, great display pleasure to watch, thank you. As an old dwarf player was interesting to see some of the new rules
Thanks buddy
That’s awesome to hear!! ❤
Someone may have said this, but I think I remember reading that missile units all have to pick targets before any of them are resolved?
I'll have a read up and check later but I think that's an incorrect interpretation of the phase and sub-phase order but yeah I'll double check. :)
@@Chris_da_Waaaghit’s possibly something I saw in a reaction video so maybe they were wrong. The other thing I wondered about but might be wrong on is step up. In one of the almanac pieces they said, “Casualties are removed from the back ranks, representing the rear ranks stepping forward as their comrades bite the dirt.”, I was interpreting that as meaning you still fought with a complete front rank if you want second, like in later editions, but I see you are doing it the old way, that’s definitely how they are doing it then?
It’s hard enough learning the rules in isolation but even worse when you start getting confused with several other editions you used to play. I wish I was still 13 s as me could just read it and remember it!
@@Captain_of_Nuln yeah it can be confusing. Hopefully this helps: models are removed from the back rank for ease. 5 orcs charge 10 dwarves (2 ranks of 5 wide). Orcs kill 2 dwarves. Now only 3 dwarves get to fight back. The 2 dwarves killed are removed from the bank rank for ease. This represents 2 models behind the "killed ones in the front rank" stepping forward into the fighting rank. Any model that steps forward into the fighting rank like this cannot attack. However if a unit is armed with spears and provides a supporting attack, then if that spearman steps up from a 3rd rank into a 2nd rank, it will get to provide a supporting attack. Hopefully that makes sense mate?
@@Chris_da_Waaagh yes, definitely, thanks! If i was them I would not have highlighted removing from the back rank in the article on that basis. Armour seems a lot more important at low initiative now after playing WAP for the last few years!
@@Captain_of_Nuln yeah armour is big now. A 3+ or 4+ armour save on infantry is extremely strong. Getting into the weeds of the game now and navigating some of the nuances etc, I genuinely think this is the best edition of fantasy. And I love 6th edition.
Do standard beares no longer auto die when the unit flees from Combat?
Nope. They drop the banner but the model isn't killed.
Every Dwarf player knows not to call it the Misfire dice DC, its the Artillery dice mate!!!
😂😂 look I stated right at the start you lot don’t shout at me! First time playing dwarves haha 😅
You tell him!
@@SNBattleReports calling it the misfire dice just tempts fate
nice fight guys, looking forward to getting some games in with you both
You based in Gib?
Good Video.
I have a question.
We Know that a Unit can adopt only Formation in his Special Rule.
Now.
We Know that a Close Order Formation is composed of 2 or MORE model in Ranks and Files.
Well.
Dragon Ogre can only adopt Close Order, but if i want i can also purchase just one 1 Dragon Ogre.
So what Formation will the Dragon Ogre have?
I Remember that He is not a Heavy Chariot, he is not a Monster, he is not a Character...
I’d have to check that one but if they’re monsterous infantry you’d
Need 3 in another rank for a rank bonus
@@sn_dc Mh. In what sense? Let me explain again.
A unit can only be deployed on the field based on one of the formations that are listed among its special rules (Close Order, Open Order, Skirmish). Open Order and Close Order require 2+ Models in Ranks and Files. Heavy Cariot, Monstrous Creature and Behemot have a rule that says that even if they are single models they can be deployed in Close Order. Single Characters, who do not belong to the above categories, are considered Skirmish, if not combined with a unit. Now...A unit of 1 Dragon Ogre, which is Monstrous Cavalry, and which has Close Order as its only Formartion, how is it deployed on the Field? How does he fight, how does he align himself with charges, how does he interact with scenic elements, etc?
@@ivanp8 I’m with you now and I think it needs an FAQ you’re right it’s odd!
Wish you would have not done so much off camera. Also instead of giving up doing the cannon fight would have been great so you could have gone over war machines in close combat rules.
We do that in the next battle report with a bit more depth. 😃
I’m pretty sure we did a lot on camera? It’s not easy filming hours of content 😅 also we need to consider the length of the game, the time it takes to record every combat and the impact those fights would have to the overall game (if little, then summaries speeds it up). We don’t always get it right sure, but I think it’s the correct balance to take at times - otherwise it can get stale.
On the war machine fight - perfect example of the above, you have frenzied orcs with a bucket load of attacks - that’s a lot of dice rolling for an almost guaranteed outcome! So it saves us time (we film after work at night, so want to get home at some stage 😂) and we can give a summary, on occasion it might have been worth filming but it’s a balance . The fight in that instance is just standard dwarves profile vs Orcs so not very exciting.
Anyway, hope that helps clarify things 👍 and hope you enjoyed the content
Quick question when you fall back orderly are you not able to at some point adjust the facing of your unit?
Yeah a fall back in good order is effectively a flee with an automatic and immediate rally and a free reform at the end. If the attacker pursues and catches the unit, then they could as charging in the next round of combat and all bonuses apply
Is that just a neoprene mat? It looks great, curious where it's from.
I think this one is a PWorks one but DC/Pardo would be able to confirm.
great batt rep guys so, do you not think old world is overly complicated for no real reason or benefit? there are some great quality of life changes but a lot of un necesary rules bloat imo.
It is hard to get your head round for sure but I think given time for it to become second nature it will be fine. The game itself is actually great.
It’s a fair point Rich! I think as Chris said once we get to grips with it I think those extra bits will add nice depth - as we all play more I’m sure there will be some silly ones no doubt haha
I think one issue the dwarves had was not using that cannon blast the big blocks of orcs. Great quality content I'm probably just grumbling cause I'm collecting Dwarves.
Collecting dwarves? We can all make mistakes. Be mean, go green!
@@Chris_da_Waaagh 📖
@@oc8473 book of grudges? More like book of dead dwarves
@@Chris_da_Waaagh didn't know goblins had started huffing copium instead of fungus fumes
To fair cannons, organ guns ect needed toning down. Bigger monesters were unplayable. As a dwarf player myself it'd be nice not to be the most hated faction.
Love this matchup, classic rivalry! The Dawi were my original army and my favourite, love to see this! Please do another game, would love to see some of the other unit choices for the Dawi if you have access to any hammerers and/or ironbreakers
Glad your enjoyed it!! We’ve got more games on the way, next up is Warriors of Chaos! 😊
Was that not a direct hit with rock lobber on turn one? Or do stone throwers always scatter now and you just follow the arrow on the direct hit face?
You can now do indirect fire. So if you cannot draw a line of sight to the target unit (which I couldn't because my orc unit was in the way) then you will always scatter. If you roll a hit you use the arrow on the hit icon and scatter the artillery dice minus your BS number of inches.
Loving the Old World content, great stuff guys
Thanks John ❤ you beast 💪
Glad to hear boss
Shame the big blob of warriors with greatweapons didn't do anything. The downside of being so slow I guess
Yeah shame wasn’t it
@@SNBattleReports guess you'll have to get a rematch! Can't wait for the dwarfs to get their rerelease. I want to build a massive army! But im working on rebasing and painting a ton of lizardmen first. And then maybe wood elfs or beastmen idk yet
Very cool batrep!
Thank You 🙏🏽
Thanks so much! More to come ❤
Thoroughly enjoyed this clash, bloody well done!
Out of interest where did you get the ruins? They'd be perfect for the Frostgrave board I'm working on.
Thanks very much! As for the ruins we got them off a Spanish company about 8 years ago that sadly closed down
Cant believe Dwarfs still have M3
Naked boyz = The Only Fangz
I mean, that’s very good. Hahah
Onlyfangs... Amazing. More befitting of a cohort of lahmian vampires though hehe
@@Chris_da_Waaagh I'm going to do a VC army just so i can use this joke now 😂
@@Captain_of_Nuln 😂😂 quality
Nuffin' bedder dan a gud crumpin'
Have the Savage Orcs rejoined the Waaaght?
I think they are still off chasing that boar through the border princes.