Ricky Gervais Dropping Logic Bombs, (about God/religion) Spot On!
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- Ricky Gervais on Colbert show talking about beliefs in God and being an agnostic atheist
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@@kevinkerkhoff6670 most definitely!
Colbert was actually cutting Ricky off a lot. He was moments away from going full Christian mode.
This is borderline not civil, Colbert was being rude and belittling Gervais.
@@dustinakadustin I think he showed class when he acknowledged his point at the end.
Huge coincidence how everyone is born into the right religion.
Uhh... what? There are numerous competing religions around the world - how is it that everyone is born into the right one when they all pretty much believe different things (and that's ignoring the religions in history/pre-history)?
@Meandor: You clearly don’t understand sarcasm, the post you responded to we t totally over you head. What are you, American??
@@gentlemanjim480 or...sarcasm comes across extremely poorly over the internet. I am American, but snide remark about Americans aside, I do appreciate good sarcasm. His comment just wasn't very clear as sarcasm. I've encountered too many people online who meant every word of comments exactly like this to assume that it's sarcasm any more.
@@lordmeandor2328 You were born American so your most likely Christian where as somebody who is born as Hindu believes in multiple Gods. The place where you're born determines your beliefs and it's just a big coincidence how people are born into their respective Religions. That's the point I'm making, it's not so hard to understand.
@@lordmeandor2328 You still don't seem to get it. The sarcasm in the original comment from Dean_M17, and the meaning of his post ("
The “you don’t believe in 2999 gods and I don’t believe in just one more” is one of most incisive comments on belief in deities I’ve ever heard.
How so?
@KvAT oops, I totally miss read part of it. I agree.
You don't have disprove any other religion all you have to do is prove Jesus lived, was crucified, and seen after. This makes all other religions false
@@dakotawright2811 actually, you'd have to prove that he died. It's POSSIBLE that a person could survive being crucified, at least for a time. And of course, 2021+ years later, you can't actually prove any of that. Which is kind of the point of religion.
@@SinAlameda the gospels prove Jesus died. When the soldier thrust a spear in his side water and blood came out. That's a sign of asphyxiation. His lungs filling with water. Not a sign that can be faked. Even if he survived that he was left in critical condition from the scourging, his back laid open to exposure and he had massive blood loss. Non Christian historians wrote of jesus like philo, and josephus. They spoke to eye witnesses or disciples of eye witnesses. Most writings came within 150 years of his death. Seems a long time but not when you consider most scholars believe Alexander the greats biography is highly reliable but wasnt written until 400-500 years after his death.
there isn't any real evidence for any other God except for Jesus Christ. There are several writers and philosophers who wrote about him and they either talk to eyewitnesses and recorded their accounts or spoke to people who knew eyewitnesses. And a lot of the four gospels have been proven by archaeological evidence like the ossuary of Caiaphas the high priest who had Jesus crucified was found as well as ancient Rome writings of pilot who was the Roman procurator at the time of Jesus's death and 500 witnesses seeing Jesus after his death, resurrected. There are a few writings that even tell that mark or John wrote there books telling no lies and no deceit was found in them. There are mountains of evidence. Bart Ehrman the hardcore atheistic professor at Chapel Hill college has even told him his contemporaries that they need to stop arguing and saying that Jesus Christ didn't exist because the evidence was so overwhelming that at least he existed as a man if not God. And this man is a new testament atheistic scholar. I don't have to disprove any other religion all I have to do is prove the Jesus Christ lived was crucified and was resurrected as God and that makes all other religions false.
Palestine in AD30 an obscure Jewish preacher the latest in a line of charismatic religious figures is executed by the Roman authorities. His followers scattered and The Wider World pays no attention whatsoever. The early 21st century approximately a third of the world's population, some two billion people, are estimated to be followers of that preacher. Type in his name into the most popular search engine on the internet brings up well over 100 million hits and more books have been written about him than any other person in history combined. Quite a feat if he never existed.
How did a group of scared peasants from a Backwater of the Roman Empire, followers of an executed criminal become the largest religion on the planet? The story and its transformation from an illegal sick to the religion of Emperors Kings and presidents and it's right across the globe is an endlessly fascinating one. After Jesus, all but one of his personal disciples were tortured and executed and all have it is earlier followers were crucified, set in the lions den, boiled alive and according to Roman historians emperor Nero have Christians on stakes all around the city and lit on fire to light the alleyways for Roman citizens. If Jesus was not who he said he was why would all these people never renounce him and risk being tortured and killed for something they willingly know is a lie?
You can go to a church and you can believe what the church teaches because different churches have a few different doctrines but don't sit there and listen to a church or a preacher that tells you anything different than what's in the word of God. Too many people are worried about being religious and being part of an organization then following What God Says
The last point (about science books that can be reinvented) is brilliant. Never heard it, I’ll keep it
Same! Never heard it before but it’s probably the best quote of believing in science I’ve ever heard, such a good way of explaining it
He is right though, you can burn all the books but Gravity will still happen.
It's one of the few athiest points I've heard that is apparently completely original and off the cuff. I'm as ardent an athiest as you'll find, but it's always the same recycled arguments I'm used to hearing over and over again. Did Ricky get this from somewhere else?
Probable this quote will reappear also in a thousand years
The last point is still erroneous - because all knowledge still depend on subjective human minds with malleable consciousness. All science is a theory, and if you look at the history of theories, you will se that each theory does not stand very long, before it is changed.
IMPORTANT:
A Scientific proof is never equal to a definitive proof. It's only a proof that the current theory and it's prediction of events concur with what is observed. A scientific proof, can never rule out that there is another explanation of what is observed.
It's is also impossible to know if the world will change in 1000 years to a degree that science will have to change theories accordingly. It's just not possible to be 100% certain of.
The only thing that is certain, is that nothing is certain.
EDIT No 1:
Because of the many responses to my post, I will amend this post with following addition:
It is entirely possible that what is considered scientific laws could be "re-invented", even by other life forms. This does not change the fact that humans perceive phenomena and analyse what they see through a subjective consciousness, so by default, living beings need to make a "mental model" of the universe in their minds to deal with the universe. Because of this, and the fact that no single being is a 100% copy of another, everybody experience a different exposure to the universe, so we all see things different. This is why we can't know if our own mental copy of the universe is truely equal to the real universe, and we can't know if the next person experience and see the same phenomena as one self, so by default, we can't know if what is in our minds really is equal to the truth.
Finally:
A Scientific proof is never equal to a definitive proof. It's only a proof that the current theory and it's prediction of events concur with what is observed. A scientific proof, can never rule out that there is another explanation of what is observed.
I should have started my argument with this fact, and have made an edit to put it up in the front of my now lengthy post.
EDIT No 2:
For the ones who still don't understand me - I say this:
We humans are subjective beings. As is and have all humans in history been. Any human mental construct, science or philosophy, any characterisation or even any simple description of the world outside your body comes down to the results of neurons firing in your head creating the illusion that you understand something outside your body. Every single thought, idea or statement made by a human, is a result of mental constructs, and by this principle nothing can be said to be a certain truth. It is, my friends, as basic as this. And also - this - Science Theory agrees upon. That's why Science will constantly accept new theories that correspond better to the observed universe.
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful."
Lucius Annaeus Seneca
nice!
Regarded by who? Pioneers of what exactly.....check your history.
@@ismailalibutt9288 which bit didn't you understand?
@@ismailalibutt9288 reading comprehension isn't your strong suit hey....
@@Tre16 *comprehensively. And again according to who? You didn't back your boy Seneca up you come straight for me ad homien style. Gtfo!
This is actually one of the greatest arguments against religion I've ever heard.
I'd argue however that science itself is disproven and changes constantly so the idea that science would be the same in 100 years isn't accurate. 20 years ago men were men and women were women but now science says it's a spectrum. Several scientists have been corrected over time and will continue to be so. Religion however has been constant and consistent over time so really he made the argument for religion and against science by his own logic.
@@TheTcswhite249 You are talking about social science, of course it will change, but when you look at natural science we still use maths from ancient times (even before christ) to solve problems, we still use newtons ecuations, etc.
Natural science and maths dont change like you say, they only get more acurate over time
@@user-yg6it8pp2g you should UA-cam always sunny in Philadelphia science versus God. A comical approach no doubt but he highlights so many of the scientists who were believed to have been right but were later proven wrong. Aristotle believed the earth was the center of the universe (so did everyone else) Galileo believed comets were optical illusions and so on. Both scientists, both commonly known names taught in school, both proven wrong. We may use math from ancient times but that assumes (through faith) that the math is correct until it's shown to be wrong. Ever seen the movie a beautiful mind? The Nash theory rewrote what was accepted as mathematical "truth". Remember when Pluto was a planet? All I'm saying is the science argument has just as many holes in it as others suggest the religion argument does; so much of the "truth" of science is based on a kind of faith or belief that it's right.
Having said that, the calendar year that the whole world operates off of is based solely on the life of Christ (before Christ and Anno domini, meaning the year of our lord). To suggest that there's zero validity to that at all is a little closed minded. Hell, people believe Colorado exists only because other people say it does. The fact that Colorado is Colorado is only a fact because everyone agrees to it and recognized the authority of its founding.
Just the same, someone who knows nothing about states may disagree. Same thing for religion: a majority of people agree, others lack knowledge of the evidence that believers cite as the basis for their belief.
@@TheTcswhite249 Yeah religion is still the same even after thousands of years hence religious people have a mind from dark ages. Science on the other hand gets better. Simple example, compare the mobile phones from 10-20 years ago and present. This applies to everything around you.
@@TheTcswhite249 See this is what faith, and belief due to people. No matter how much evidence we provide, they refuse to accept that Colorado doesn't exist.
“Thank God he made me an atheist.”
Spoken like a true agnostic.
That's not really what it means.
Agnosticism and Gnosticism are claims to knowledge. Atheism and Theism are just positions on belief in god. An agnostic atheist doesn’t KNOW so therefore they don’t BELIEVE. It’s simple and totally logical.
@@joeydrummer7929 I agree
@Republican Soldier Cool story bro! Can you prove it?
@Republican Soldier according to the vast majority of theists, you believe in a false god.
I'm religious but still respect Gervais for actually giving a clear, coherent argument, as well as showing he has most definitely done his research and looked at both sides, things which most religious authorities do not do.
Agree with you on that one.
If science, one day, will ever be able to prove that GOD exists, it would then only be a matter of time before communication with GOD becomes possible. If that happens, the churches who claim to know what GOD wants from us will either be screwed, or saved. If the Ten Commandments really did happen like it says in the Old Testament, 100% of the population will realize they’re going to hell. And if what the churches have said since day one is not what GOD expects from us, they’re gonna lose so many followers and money. The latter wouldn’t be so terrible though.
As an atheist who respects everyone's beliefs I love his argument about religious books vs. science books but also this is one of my favorite debates on religion because it's kept respectful. Nowadays everyone just mocks and yells at each other regardless of the topic. We need less yelling and more healthy conversation.
Yes we do. People forget that, just because we don’t agree on something; doesn’t mean we can’t get along.
I for one believe in GOD as much as I don’t believe in GOD.
I believe a supreme being may have created all of this, but I don’t believe it down to the last detail.
Maybe humans existed before GOD decided to do his experiment of the perfect couple, and the conclusion is we’re a curious species, so we ate from the tree.
Noah, there was a flood and maybe he only managed to save a male and female of the animals he was breeding. Cows, sheep, goats, whichever.
I can’t help finding the rational explanation, but that’s only for me. I’m not so arrogant that I think I’m right and everyone else is wrong.
@@Harmthuria nice idea except for the 100 % of population.
@T S which fact?
"If we take any fiction.. any holy book and any other fiction..."
I see what you did there, nice...
We already know it’s fiction, some of it at least. Don’t forget it’s written by many different people over a long period of time with different genres
@@jimbobhk2009 Well also, how the entire first section of the book of Genesis (The first book/chapter of the Bible) can literally be proved false by science. The book of Genesis would essentially "disprove" evolution and the big bang.
@@BaldMancTwat Except for the fact that big bang isnt proven because if it is then we wouldnt call it a theory but a law
@@grantmalone it's the LAW of gravity. No ones ever heard if the "theory" of gravity
@@grantmalone It depends on how you talk about gravity. Gravity is already used as a law as it is already used with a constant value of 9.81m/s2 in almost everything specifically in construction where gravity is considered in pretty much everything all around the word.. but big bang? who the hell uses big bang?
I'm surprised that Colbert, who sounds like a Catholic, would want to entertain such a weighty topic on the show. Good for him. Gervais is a great representative for all atheists out there.
He does it all the time because he gets away with it, he's smart and witty enough to come out on top of most arguments but every now and then he meets somebody who makes him look stupid like Gervais or Bill Maher.
Colbert is a free mind and knows Gervais is too. They're not afraid to discuss big topics with each other and they both can also make it funny and entertaining for the audience.
I think that he talks about his faith quite frequently, I've certainly seen several clips.
A good debate with someone should strengthen your beliefs not make you doubt them.
Gervais arguments here dont make sense to me. It doesn’t follow that if someone rejects all forms of government over a person who holds to democracy that anarchy is therefore true. And the insistence that “I believe in 1 less govt than you do” would simply reveal that the belief of holding all govts as equal in value or efficiency is a false premise.
His follow up regarding texts and their production follows the same error. If you burn every history book none of them will come back the same in 1000 years, that doesn’t mean the facts that were contained in them were false or not
"You are just believing in Hawkings and his abilities and that's a matter of faith", no that's a matter of trust, not faith. The difference is that trust is earned by repeated evidence of trustworthiness while faith is believing regardless of evidence.
They are not synonyms, quite the opposite in fact.
EDIT: Apparently this simple comment started a debate in the comment section below, the funny thing is that it could easily be resolved by looking in a damn vocabulary. Guess that's too much of a proof if you prefer faith over trust.
Well also, there's actual evidence that the Big Bang happened. It's exceptionally poor reasoning from Colbert; honestly, I'm surprised that he went there.
Well said
@@heyokaikaggen6288 it's sad really, I know he is a smart guy, far smarter then me, but when you are trying to defend an unreasonable conclusion against a well reasoned argument all you can do is attack the argument itself, Steven's conclusion wasn't strong enough to stand on it's own merit. It rarely ends well.
@@heyokaikaggen6288 I would stay away from TBBT altogether. It’s literally a nothingburger of a point because from the creationist perspective, why is it impossible that TBBT is HOW God chose to create the universe.
@Not Applicable Nope. The dictionary definition of faith is precisely "strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, BASED ON SPIRITUAL CONVICTION RATHER THAN PROOF".
Funny how we call all ancient religions myths and mythology yet somehow the "new" religions we just call theology...yet there's no difference between them.
i've always wondered at what point does a religion become a mythology? is it believer count? lack of adaption to the times? every mythology we know of today used to be an active religion so when do they cross that line?
@@belfastmafia i think it's when it loses its "spirituality" which basically translate to people no longer willing to believe in that god(s) existence, and so there's no sacredness to those stories anymore, no spiritual level of relevance, they're just funny stories
Or forced to convert i.e. the Romans and Egypt.
Right
@@belfastmafia You answered your own question. A religion transitions to mythology when there is no longer an active following. Example: Norse theology became Norse Mythology when the last of the Pagan Swedish / Norwegian / Germanic Kings converted to Christianity. Iceland held on for a few more decades but even then the Norse religion became a mythology once it was no longer considered an active religion.
Colbert is such a tool. "You're accepting that because somebody told you", which is literally how religion is spread. Brilliant.
@@markplows2198 I get what your saying but the fact remains science is done in a way where everything is published and the people who are experts in that field are the best ones to ask. it sounds like an appeal to authority but it's not if it's right.
@@markplows2198 You’re asking someone not in that filed to create something he has little knowledge to. You don’t need an experiment to know every time something falls it’s gonna hit the ground or whatever immovable object is in its path. Like Ricky said, take all your fairly tale religious books, burn them and in a 1,000 years time it would be different, all facts and science would be the same. Scientists publish their work for every time to see and be able to create what they did. When proven wrong, they don’t get upset, it might hurt, but they rather have the truth then to be correct. Let’s say your god is real tho, If god is real and made us in his creation then why is the male g spot in the ass? If god is real, why are there SO many planets, only reason that makes sense is, he wanted to create other life. Let’s say tho that all that space science is bull, like most christians say, since you can’t see the other planets (ironically the way I feel about god, can’t see it must not be real) why did he create 7 other planets, 3 dwarf planets and like 100 moons the size of planets, you know that you can see with a cheap telescope from target, Did he mess up making earth that many times… nah couldn’t be he’s perfect. So why all those planets if he wouldn’t fill them with life? If god is so loving, and everything is his plan, why are children born into sex slave trade. BORN into it, meaning they couldn’t have sinned yet, but they’re life gets to be a rag doll for gross men. If god is real and he has a plan for everyone, and we’re always following his plan then we don’t have free will. Christians love saying “god didn’t want me to have this, it’s not part of his plan” so when you use your freewill and it doesn’t work out then it’s cause of his plan? That’s fate then. Then when things work out for you “it’s apart of gods plan” again meaning fate, not free will. He’s someone you can blame your problems on, so you don’t have to take responsibility for your actions or failure. Most people feel alone, so of course you wanna believe no matter what something out there loves you. It’s the same thing as zodiac signs, you can put the blame for the way you are on something you claim to have no control over, again meaning you don’t have freewill.
@@markplows2198 it's nothing like accepting religion, accepting religion is accepting something there is and never will be any proof of its litterally all based on faith and prayer whereas science only works with facts and the laws of the universe so when you believe in a scientific fact it's because it's been tried and tested by top experts in the field and has been without shadow of a doubt proven to the best of our current capabilities whereas with religion it's like it exists because we say so
We don’t need the explanation of why Colbert’s a tool. Just the initial statement is fine.😂
Yeah, that really pissed me off too - Stephen is generally brighter than that - he's missing the entire point. Science PROVIDES EVIDENCE, religion DOES NOT. Period.
"Do yo ever have feeling of great gratitude for existence?"
Actually, no. That does not mean I want to end my existence, and I love and thank my parents for raising me up, but I don't feel anything toward any higher force in this matter. It's not like "if i wasn't alive, i would be sad" or "it's so good that me, of all the possible people, was born". No. I accept my existence and I try to be the best person I can, to give something back to the society... but that's all.
One doesn't need a God to feel grateful for having been born a one of only a relative handful of known conduits whereby the universe is conscious of itself. The feeling of resposibility for one's kin, therefore, is natural, and quite reasonable, and doesn't require belief in anything else.
Same. Let’s just try to be good people and then we’ll see
I agree. If u weren't alive u wouldn't exist so u couldn't be sad about it
KKK and Taliban genuinely think they are doing good for society
See, this is Ricky at his best. Not always a fan of his humour, but whenever I see him talk about religion, he's on the money.
Who or what is God? Earth is a spec in a very huge n very old galaxy that compared 2 the age n size of the universe is just a spec barely out of its diapers. Atheists seriously believe earth is where life started? I don’t know if that’s more naive or arrogant. So there’s no chance a much older, bigger, light years more intelligent and powerful being or beings exist? No? Don’t think so?? OK 😂
@@codylasik3739 No one said that except you. Atheists just simply don’t believe in the existence of God.
I love his philosophy AND his humour
@@codylasik3739 who around the world calls about atheist and say- so atheist believe our earth is the only place where life started? Lol nobody said before you. Its foolish to think what atheist said or not. They dont believe in the existence of anything called as GOD. Who by definition is immortal and flies and do other magic things throughout historical culture. Yet NONE provides a single evidence. Thats it, they believe this.
Epic Globes takedown
GOD : Taking credit for all of your accomplishments but none for your failures or sins since you were born.
So god IS a woman!!!
@@noone8418 I think there's a whole committee of them up there.
@@noone8418 more like an incompetent middle manager with good employees under him. Steals credit for the good work and passes the buck when there are problems.
Because sin is something we commit and God cannot be in the presence of sin. God most certainly can take credit for our accomplishments because he made us. Every time we do something “good” it points back to Him who made us. Every time we, like, give to the poor, God can take credit because he told us to give to the poor in certain parts of his instruction manual called the “Bible”
Real Gods for me are my parents who cherish my success and stay by me during failures and not some fictional characters created by misogynistic old men back in 1st century.
I love how gracious they both are
How it should be, instead of know-it-alls on both sides lecturing the other why they're wrong.
respect for each other's opinion. key to every debate.
@@emanuelemarchisio3818 That's kind of difficult to do all the time, isn't it? Is there any point for me to respect the opinion of someone who says the earth is flat, for example?
Fact is defined as "a thing that is known or proved to be true". An argument with respect for each other's opinion is valid up until a "fact" isn't established. Once it is, it's time to move on. Else humanity doesn't progress.
It's that time for the so-called debate on god.
@@subhadeeppaul You can still have respect for a person's belief in god even if you disagree wholeheartedly with that belief.
@@TonyEnglandUKAbsolutely, as long as it doesn't obstruct the progress of human knowledge. Keep in mind that over thousands of years almost everything that was attributed to "god" at one time has been explained by the laws of science - physics, chemistry and biology. The circle of what believers considered to be so-called god's domain has been steadily getting smaller. What this has resulted in is a push back by those who still cling on to these irrational belief systems, not by using empirical evidence but by claiming that faith trumps rationality. Cornered by an increasingly educated world which has more understanding of reason and rationality than any time in history, their argument now is that science is your "belief system" and god is ours. This is a particularly sinister argument because science is not a belief system. There is nothing in the scientific method that relies of blind faith. The rational world should just ignore the religious one and move on. That seems to be what you're suggesting. A polite "no, thank you" so to say. Which would be great if it were not for religious people in positions of power who bring so much misery to humankind.
Too many people are too scared to simply admit “I don’t know”, so they come up with something that fills the gap.
Is there a god? I don’t know.
How was the universe formed? I don’t know.
Why on Earth do people watch Keeping Up With The Kardashians? I don’t know.
These are the BIG questions.
OMG I love your comment SO FUCKING MUCH! All these 3 questions literally speak to my soul (a soul I don't know if it really exists). Especially the 3rd question, that's what I REALLY want to know! 🤣🤣🤣
@@asmitachatterjee5146 🤣🤣 It is a question that will baffle experts for generations.
I read your discorse like Richard Kind did Richard Sackler in Last Week Tonight Opiods videos. So good mate.
there isnt a god lol pretty easy to comprehend. Or at least all the silly iterations humans have conceived of one. Old white haired dude in the clouds controlling everything. Science has explained and will continue to explain over years just about everything. Just think 200 years ago we didnt know how to treat a sinus infection.
@@Opticillusion160 I agree with your argument besides the clam, 'there is no god'. You actually don't know that. You can only prove that you can't detect it, which is different from prove that it doesn't exist. And I'm not talking about that relatable figure of a God. That God was probably invented by humans to humans and was one of the ways our ancestors passed knowledge reliably to one another. I think we have passed that milestone and science is a better way to do that. Although, science don't replace everything religion was supporting in our society/individual.
Religions exists because humans can't handle the unknown. Thus, a "face" of familiarity must be put on it for comfort and relief.
Surely you can't be saying that man created God in his own image?😉
@@kentaylor2416 Actually it wouldn’t be wrong to say so, at least as far as god’s image is concerned.
@@kephrenh it's hard to imagine why a deity floating alone in infinite nothingness for an eternity would need arms, legs, tongue, teeth, eyes, penis, testicles etc......
What was he going to do with those things?
@@kentaylor2416 it’s not important what a deity might really look like. What it is important is what people think a deity should look like. The human mind cannot deal that easily with shapeless concepts.
@@kephrenh true, but there are people who will argue that God looks like a human white (?) man because the book says we were created in his image.
And if you get away from the literal then it's all just interpretation..... but how can you get to the literal after millennia of translation and transcription?
Beliefs are beliefs and people are entitled to them.
Truths are truths regardless of entertainment.
The basis of this really is one of the big differences in UK and US society. People in the USA are expected to be religious. In the UK they are expected to not be. You see US politicians wearing the religion like a badge on their sleeve, to show they are of good character. In the UK, an openly religious politician would be considered to lack credibility. This sort of conversation wouldn't happen on a UK talk show.
It is not a matter of "expected not to be" on the contrary there are a lot of religious school in the UK, i think it boils down to critical thinking and the British disposition of skepticism
@@freakindamnshiki As far as being Prime Minister goes, as Alistair Campbell said to Tony Blair (*spit*), 'we don't do God'. Theresa May only got away with talking about it because she was literally the only candidate left standing when she was made PM, and she was generally considered as being useless regardless of her personal beliefs. I can't speak for everyone obviously, but no matter how capable a politician may appear to be, the instant they start talking about their belief in magical sky genies is the instant I don't vote for them.
It's pretty much mandatory to talk about such beliefs in the US, which I believe was the original point.
There are not many of us in the US but there are some atheists. I get so tired of trying to explain my position to others, I have given up for the most part. As for the politics, you are absolutely correct, religion is pervasive and the good "god fearing" christian is the norm and anything different is taboo. Maybe I would get on better in the UK 🇬🇧
GOD IS NOT REAL
Same in Australia. Religion just isn't talked about because most people aren't religious. I noticed in the army, most of the US troops on deployment attended the Sunday service whereas most Australian troops didn't. And we like to keep religion well out of politics. Like the UK, devoutly religious politicians are deemed 'crackpots' and untrustworthy because religion and politics should be kapt separate.
Doubt is humble and honest. We less of people acting like they know the answers to things no human possibly could.
Jeffrow Ryan
Unless God told mankind.
God revealed Himself to us by becoming a Man, and giving us that revelation as Scripture! No need to doubt further.
@@garrywebb2225 absolutely. I just would have imagined he would have looked better than Ricky
@@ios7717 I'm a person who actually believes in God but your comment was the stuff of legend. Take my like. Hahaha
@@garrywebb2225 that’s not his proof works, can you confirm that happened
I like the fact that these two people can have a civil conversation...at the end of it all, we all gonna die and none of us can go back and say "I told you so..." Respect people's beliefs, either its Jesus, Allah, or Trees or nothing at all...Peace!!
Religion is a lie. You cannot respect a fool that believes such obvious lies.
"You don't believe in 2999 gods, and I don't believe in just one more"
Bruh that was strong !
How?
I know there's more than one color of "black" and yet I call them all as One, that's more strong than to say there's nothing.
According to that logic you are no different than a murderer, he only killed one person more than you.
@@neehar6409 Correct, we're all close to single-victim murderers in number of people killed. However, for this context, the point he's trying to make is: You already know what it's like not to believe in a god, because you've already done that, with 2,999. The same reasons you don't believe those gods are real, is the same reason he doesn't believe your god is real. He's unconvinced of just one more. Take the reason you don't believe in the other 2,999, tell me what that reason is, and I'll throw it right back at you about your own god. Then the conversation is pretty much closed. That's his point.
@@Meg_Lovegood That doesn't really work though, as even if people believe all the gods in all of the religions are one and the same, they completely reject all other religions and their teachings.
I like to think that the moment Colbert said, "You just believe that because someone told you..." he realized he had described his own blind faith.
Ricky, logical thinking and admitting you know nothing has never been a believer's friend.
Talkin loads of bullshit
Well,if he knew nothing he would probably be agnostic, something that makes sense. Both of them so sure of something they will never get,two sides,same coin..
Religion is not the problem, narcissism is
@@Jukeboksi religion by its very nature requires faith, and faith is antithetical to Logic and method.
@@cadkls Religion by Christian definition requires trust in something we already know to be true ,not faith.
The best thing about Ricky is he never really attacks people he just has a much more intelligent counter comment, I dont think alot of people appreciate genuinely how clever this guy is. He never belittles people in interviews he just totally out moves them every single time
So true. I'm not an atheist, but I appreciate his standpoint and delivery. A lot of online atheists could learn from him on how to make a point but still remain civilized.
@@joeybright7831 I've always been of the view everyone is entitled to their own opinion, as long as someone can make a constructive argument to back up thier view fair enough. I'm a big believer in the live and let live idea, believe what you want, do what you want, so long as you are not harming others it's ok to disagree. What I dislike about religion but mainly christianity and Islam is this need many have (not all mind and I'm well aware of that) to try and convert others. And if you dont agree with their beliefs then they go stright to the defensive.
Americans can't even find their right father's. No wonder you struggle to find the right God.
Respect to both of them for being civil about it, instead of just breaking out into a debate
Colbert was getting close. He was getting very over talky.
“What one man calls God another calls the Laws of Physics” - Nikola Tesla
And why do the laws of Physics exist? Who established them? Can you answer that?
Tesla is a boring antisocial joke.
@D W an imaginary god is better i suppose
Actually god created the laws of physics
@@VirtualAnomly proof?
god is dead mate
Colbert claims he wasn’t trying to convince Ricky to believe there is a god and I believe him…. He was trying to keep himself convinced, in the face of facts and logic. Cognitive dissonance on grand display.
Thats religion for you, just faith
..indeed and you can see Colbert getting a bit wound up by the conversation at times.
I love when people say “ I won’t try to convince you”, what they’re really saying is I don’t have anything good enough to comeback with. That’s why he went on to try and evoke emotion instead and talk about sense of being and shit lol
I think it’s a lack of understanding that to stop believing in a deity doesn’t mean you need to stop believing in all the morals and traditions that come with religion.
GOD IS NOT REAL
at the end "that's good, that's good", buddy that literally solves the whole problem its not just good
Yeah, you're right.
Stephen said that after the audience majority applauded Ricky, so imho Stephen was just pandering to the crowd. Seriously doubt Stephen would have said that otherwise, let alone actually believes it.
Dang I really like Colbert but his “you’re just saying that because Stephen hawking said it” claim can be used against his (valid) arguments for vaccines.
@@andrewvelazquez8833 Lol I could literally say you only believe in christianity because the bible says so, and obviously it can't prove itself. It amazes me how people say "I know the bible is true because the bible says it is"
@@davidm1187 I think that was Colbert’s point to Ricky. Ricky says that at the beginning of everything there was all matter crammed into a single atom, and we don’t know this for sure. These are hypotheses from really smart and amazing scientists, but at the end of the day you and I haven’t done the research so we take their word. We don’t have proof of this at all to be honest. There is evidence for it, but no proof. It’s actually a great comparison if you think about what Colbert is saying. Ricky’s faith is in science, and that’s fine. Colbert’s faith is in God, and that’s fine. The ironic thing is that both can be true when it’s all said and done.
@@coach_mill Well, there is no evidence of the existence of God, so trusting science and the Bible are two extremely different things.
Most people in the world practice the religion of their family and geography. If your born in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan to Muslim parents there's a 99% chance you'd be Muslim. But if you took a baby born there and he was adopted by an orthodox Jewish family in Brooklyn, he'd be Jewish. So it seems kind of irrational to me.
This was the catalyst for me becoming an atheist (now agnostic). There is just no sense in that reality. If God exists, it's bigger than the regions of humanity. We have it wrong regardless of what you preach.
Wait lads, it’s not because we practice our religions differently that we don’t believe in the same god. Jewish and christians do believe in the same god, but their pratices were seperated at a Time.
Practicing and believing is two diffrent things, for practice is cultural and believing is individual (or it should be)
Btw I’m an agnostic atheist too, I just happen to think differently on this precise matter :)
Taking religion out of the equation the same can be said for every facet of our personalities and traits. Most people in New York are aggressive drivers because that’s what they are taught from a young age. Then said individual moves and sees others driving differently and picks it up or doesn’t. Nothing irrational about it. Nature vs nurture and so on.
@@imnotwadewilsonsee3656 The believing in religion despite this is the irrational part.
This goes to show that speaking civil and logical upon such touchy topics is entirely possible.
“We don’t even know if the universe had a beginning.”
Professor Brian Cox
Physicist
Sure, we don't even know how many universes there are. Some things are unknowable it seems.
Please stop giving me mean comments. My mother reads the comments I get and she cries a lot because of it. Please be nice, dear med
@@AxxLAfriku Good luck with whatever therapy is appropriate.
@@AxxLAfriku what the fuck lmao
"Beginning" is a human construct.
"I'm an atheist. Thank God"
- Dave Allen
Ricky at the end of the 2012(I think) golden globes said "thank god for making me an atheist" lol
@@Andrea-yu8vf but Dave Allen, an Irish Catholic by birth, said it in the 60’s. To say something like that in Ireland, at that time, was pretty revolutionary. No disrespect to Ricky, he’s a personal favourite but Dave Allen was a genuine comedy legend.
@@Andrea-yu8vf yeah he did. That was hilarious. And yet so true. If god does exist, then why would he do that?
@@charliebryer2802 of course, i completely agree with you. By their own rights they're both comedy geniuses. I remember when Ricky was on the eleven o'clock show before anyone even had heard of him, and he was absolutely brilliant and so different to anyone else. That's the same place that Ali G started.
@@hohohohehehe6910 I remember it well
“I have a strong desire to direct that gratitude towards something or someone.” ~ How ideology became a religion
It's also irrelevant to the question wether that something or someone exists. My strong desire for someone else in my bed doesn't make it so. But that kind of wishful thinking seems to be an argument for some religious people. Sometimes, atheists get asked if they wouldn't find it sad that life would end with death, as if their emotional relation to that idea would have any influence on reality.
Of course, if we work and strive for something, it can make it more likely, but that's not the case with the existence of any god. Yet, it seems that emotion makes us evaluate that question differently. It's actually a good reason to be more skeptical about it, our minds seem to like to fool us on that point.
"I've always said there's nothing an agnostic can't do if he REALLY doesn't know whether he believes in anything or not." - Monty Python
@@deniseross8108 Not a big comedy fan, are ya?
'That's really good' the moment of self realisation that your faith is only faith in some bullshit but you'll keep believing in it because you're already invested in it. Just weird how these religious people know it's bullshit but find ways to rationalise it
It was also showing some humility, by extending an olive branch of respect, instead of becoming hostile. As an atheist, I'll have a diologue with anyone who is sincere.
GOD IS NOT REAL
Damn that example he said at the end was literally the best argument I’ve ever heard of religion against science in my entire life of living
You could always roll the clock back a little further and then replay history without people at all. It's not an argument against religion but it should demonstrate that humanity's existence is nothing more than an accident.
Darwinism, Pseudoscience & The Heliocentric Model is the main reason most people disconnect from The Creator.
Jesuit Priest's, Freemason's & Lucifer all play a big part in that.
Only thing is, historical events were left out. I get it, destroy all science books and boom, science books return eventually with same results. But it cannot be explained that MANY MANY times, the eradication of the Christian Bible had been attempted, but never ever successful. And of all the religious books in the world, only the Christian Bible is sold in more countries and in more languages then any other! This is a simple fact of... math! (See what I did there) plus no other book has more scientific (archeological) backing! Queen Esther and Xerxes in the Bible and historical evidence, the Walls of Jericho (one time said it was false on the news however weeks later proved to be found true), the parting of the Dead Sea (story of Moses: Egyptian Chariots and Horse bones found at the bottom of the Dead Sea). As far as separating itself from all other religions, ALL OTHER Beliefs (and I do mean ALL) have a works based salvation! Hindi, Islam, Taosin, Shinto, Buddhism, etc. all based in things you do or sometimes do not do. Only Christianity is based on Faith or Belief! Yes there are some sub-systems of Christianity that focus too much on works, and man made traditions (most of which are not Biblical), now doing good deeds is good. However, true Christianity doctrine is simple Belief in Jesus Christ for Salvation. Thats why I tell people, Im not religious, Im just a Believer.
@Scott Scotty I mentioned nothing about popularity! This was Divine intervention! The attempted eradication of the Bible is the opposite of popularity! And this was attempted several times throughout history. Also in the last 60 years alone there is an estimated 6 Billion copies made vs HP total 500million! More then 10x’s, so not even close. Also think about it, 6 Billion copies of a book categorized as Nonfiction! 🤔
@@JKazama182 "it cannot be explained that [...]"
That's easy, isn't it? Some people strongly believe in that religion. They believe it's the most important message in this world, more important than their own life. Why would you think it would be easy to eradicate that? Similar things can be said about other religions and their followers. I get that you draw pride from that, but I hope you also get that it proves nothing. It has everything to do with devotedness and conviction, and nothing with truthfulness.
One thing I was told while growing up was to never debate religion, sexuality, or politics.
Unless it is an open-minded discussion, there simply is no point to starting a potentially endless debate around these topics.
Pretty much, especially when debates these days are more about “owning” or “destroying” the other side rather than actually learning.
Why not sexuality? Someone would be offended that he/she didnt have that much experience? 🤥🤔
The fact that there's so many religions and gods is already enough for me to convince me there's no god to believe in.
You have your own God.. Everyone does. If it's not reading the Bible and praying to Jesus then your God is your phone or Facebook or TV or your job or all the time you spend on your kids or a spouse or working out or reading or whatever.
What you put the most amount of time into is your God and its what you worship. You say you dont believe the evidence for God but you have faith and belief that other things are true that tell us how the universe began and how we got here and what our purpose is, and how the laws of physics work, or why there is matter instead of no matter or life instead of no life. You don't lack a belief or have no faith in any of those things...
Do you think your a good person?
@@dakotawright2811 I've read your message several times and I'm still trying to find some logic to it and how it is related to what I originally wrote.
@@sollyrose you say there's no God to believe in but you make something else into your God and because you don't believe God created the universe created you then that means you put your faith and your belief in something else
@@dakotawright2811 No, I don't put my faith and belief in something else. That's your way of thinking, not mine.
@@sollyrose if God Didnt create the universe or you then how or what do you believe did? Must be something.
I regularly use the ‘you deny one less god than me’ line when debating this topic.
I have to admit, my view on religion has mellowed slightly as I’ve got older. I used to get angry that people could believe in something which has never been proven. However, now I just think ‘each to their own’ and ‘whatever makes you happy’. That’s what’s important. 😊
thats right , if it makes people happy thats important . no one really knows . we are all agnostics just that some are in denial . :D
Bad way to think about it. If it makes people happy to think black folks are sub-human or stoning someone to death for their sexuality is god inspired morality, you are saying "that's ok, it makes them happy and they can believe what they like". That is a piss poor way to think about religion or anything else. Truth is more important than peoples feelings.
@@squishydafishy I’m certainly not saying that’s ok. You’ve chosen to add that bit in yourself.
But they’re not going to change their minds are they?
Someone who thinks those things is an absolute moron, but I’m not going to get into an argument with them about their beliefs when it won’t change anything.
And I’m talking more in the comfort that religion brings people as opposed to the misguided interpretations some people take from it.
@@squishydafishy no one believes that anymore and if they do they need a new religion! yes by all means if this still exists people should fight that ,
But religion in general teaches love and respect for one another..
@@4ntoCatch have you even read the Bible, with a critical eye?
Wow, the religious vs science book destruction comparison was really good!
Thank you for some of the best arguments I've ever heard.. I'mma be using these now.
Aaaah Colbert, being incredibly American here. Blind faith in mythical beings, the fact that people still think swearing on a bible is the highest form of legitimacy is mind boggling .. especially the leaders of the free world
Yea, "believing" that nothing created everything is much more scientific and logical, right?
@@garrywebb2225 Tell us more about this 'nothing' that everything sprang from. Who said everything was created from 'nothing'?
@@garrywebb2225 build me a universe then, god hadn't stopped cancer, aids, rape, murder, genocide, and yet 'he' is supposed to be all powerful, all knowing and all loving. Yet you believe in that 🤣🤣
GOD IS NOT REAL
Incredibly American lmao what
I was having a nice morning, until I decides to watch this. So many things to think about that doesn't have anything to do with my life. Take breaks more often people. Your psychi will thank you.
I wish you peace and lightness as well, my friend
Sometimes the truth hurts and can ruin your day. Better to live in truth than blissfully ignorant.
@@p_roduct9211 thanks. Have a nice day you too.
Spot on logic, with well rounded examples. Wish I had a way with words like he has by explaining myself.
Same. I've watched this clip so many times and still fumble trying to explain my disbelief to people.
Trying to convince the theist with even the very best logic is the very definition of pointless. Its like fuxing for virginity.
@@billgross176 If absolute, verifiable evidence were presented to religious people, they'd just dismiss it outright. They'd say _"Satan put that evidence there to test our faith"_ and carry on believing anyway.
There is logic in his argument. He argument is that he doesn’t know there is a god or gods for sure. Which is simply saying I don’t know. That is fine but it’s not argument for anything.
Not true destroy all the Qurans n it will come back, as it letter for letter word for word identical universally spanning time languages regions n people.Only book in the world to have this feature universally muslims recite n revise some all of it exactly letter for letter wrd for wrd the same, every corner of the earth, fact
"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
Stephen F Roberts
There it is! The sauce! Thank you.
Even though I’m religious, I like the peaceful argument here, it should be how everything is done
That would be a boring judo final at the Olympics.... So you're saying that my grip hold is not supported by a long enough point of leverage to unbalance you? Yes, indeed, I win gold medal in Judo through peaceful means.
There are 3000 gods to choose from, but don't worry. Only your god is real...
A God created by man, can probably be just as strong as a true deity.
It makes no difference if God exists or not, as long as people believe he does.
Who or what is God? Earth is a spec in a very huge n very old galaxy that compared 2 the age n size of the universe is just a spec barely out of its diapers. Atheists seriously believe earth is where life started? I don’t know if that’s more naive or arrogant. So there’s no chance a much older, bigger, light years more intelligent and powerful being or beings exist? No? Don’t think so?? OK 😂
Parents with the ugliest babies ever still think they're the cutest. Cognitive dissonance is built in for survival.
@Satan McDougal I didn’t say it was logical. My point is it’s the belief that is the true strength of a religion. Not if the God actually exists or not.
@Satan McDougal I consider myself somewhat of an atheist. I believe in science. But it is really besides the point. I’m making observations about religious people and the effect religion has on society.
Reminds me of Richard Dawkins saying that if there was even a single piece of evidence for the existence of God it would be the most important scientific fact in existence. In reality it is not science vs religion, it's proof vs fiction. If anything from a holy book had an empirical basis, that piece of information would become part of science.
The same for against evolution. Scientists from all over the globe have tried HARD to disprove it. Even the scientists who've supported it have tried disproving it. It's never happened. It's been so staunchly proven that the literal Pope has made statements to the Catholics around the world that it has to be believed.
Imagine, they had weeks, months of planning how to do this speech and approach this topic after thousands of years of saying the opposite and criticizing anyone that believed it to be true. Then finally there's been so much evidence they have to back down. The Catholic church... Ridiculous!
Such cognitive dissonance to say something all your lives and then suddenly flip but think "But my religion is still true" and make an argument for why _both_ things are true at once whenever the bible blatantly says the opposite...
@@whitestguyuknow Qur'an doesn't oppose evolution so....
@@ahmadqureshi5366
It does. It's foundation is Judeo/Christianity.
@@ahmadqureshi5366 were you born into a Muslim family?
@@junodonatus4906 It has never denied evolution, we just don't agree with this bs that there is no god
When Stephen says that he has a ‘strong desire to aim that gratitude towards someone’, it’s just another way of saying that he’s not able to comprehend existence so it gives comfort to find someone responsible. Some peoples brains just can’t comprehend that we are somewhat of an accident.
I think that fact that I'm an accident helped accept that the universe is too.
What do you call an dyslexic insomniac agnostic person? A person who stays awake all night wondering if there is a dog.
Either Vladimir or Estragon, either way, they're both just waiting for Godot.
Love it😂
Well RG…clear concise and correctly put..
Oh no! he didn’t tell us what would happen if he jumped out of a window. Hint: there’s a significant difference between a ground floor(uk) window and 20th floor 🤪
There's also a significant difference in the first floor in the US and the first floor in any other country...approx 3.5 metres difference!
Ricky says _"I'd smash to the ground because of this thing called 'gravity'"_ and Stephen says _"and then..... Satan would be raping you."_
Tony England he did not say that on tv?!
@@jimbobhk2009 That's exactly what they say.
Stephens argument at the end about faith in scientists just isnt comparable to religious faith.scientists have come up with the big bang theory through research, granted there is a bit of guess work but research. Religion is just stories told through generations
Yeah it's a theory created by the most researched individuals of that field. It is mankind's absolute best and most educated guess. It's still a guess though.
@@ralebkilliams766 Sort of. I mean the bog bang happened. We can prove it happened. The guess is that that was the start of the universe. And most scientist have now come to the conclusion that that was only the start of our universe. And there are many othrr universes all independent yet connected. So its not really a guess. The guess is more what was before the big bang and what else is out there.
It’s still a theory and hasn’t been proven.
GOD IS NOT REAL
But you could say god is a theory that hasn’t been proven. And to stephens own point, Stephen is putting faith in what someone has told him about god.
I find it unfathomable that adults still believe in any religion.
Well, some of those adults include some of the world's greatest astro-physicists, so you might have to do some more fathoming.
@@heyokaikaggen6288 Doesn't mean anything. The god of the bible cannot, and does not, exist. The bible was a compilation of books written by primitive fallible men, who didn't know the first thing about the world around them, failing to acknowledge that shows ignorance on the believers part, and remember that ignorance isn't just what you don't know, it's what you WON'T know.
@@bayardkyyako7427 also worth mentioning that not one verse of the New testament were written by people who were alive when it happened. The books of John, Luke and all the other apostles were written by the church hundreds of years later
Excatly! All religions are man made. No "gods" of any kind exsist.
@@roboboi1571 Yup! So many authors contradicting the last author. Jesus didn't start the church he was dead for a while.
See how easy logic works
Can we put this on loudspeaker at the next Trump rally?
And sometimes hollow
@@jaserogers997 Any political rally will do. Do you only believe Biden has shown himself to be any better?
@@MrNelford he's been in government for about three seconds.
Regardless, I was putting less emphasis on Trump's achievements and more about the typical bible bashing Trump fanatic.
@@jaserogers997 "hes been in the government for about three seconds" um I think you will find hes been in government for about 50 years mate and in that time he blocked a bill to desegregate school buses by race, helped concoct the three strike bill in 1994 that has disproportionately incarcerated minorities, made speeches about mexicans in the 80s that would make trump blush and as late as 2008 was strongly opposed to gay marriage among MANY other things.
YESSSSSSS surely the question is not why but how! God I love Ricky
Ugh hate that this is cut off, but thanks for the great upload!
The holy war! Or more commonly known and “The Christians and Muslims fighting over who’s imaginary friend is better war”
And it was the same. The greatest plot twist of ever. 🤣
They were not fighting over who was the true god, they were fighting to chose the coolest prophet and why god loves them over everyone else, and today it still happening.
I think people just want an excuse to kill each other and steal their land without felling guilt.
Not true destroy all the Qurans n it will come back, as it letter for letter word for word identical universally spanning time languages regions n people.Only book in the world to have this feature universally muslims recite n revise some all of it exactly letter for letter wrd for wrd the same, every corner of the earth, fact
@@anwarabdullah6318 so you are a Muslim and believe that your god exists? As Ricky Gervais says in the video there are 3,000 gods and I don’t believe in any of them.
Watch a documentary called Zietgeist and it will prove religion is bullshit.
... whose* god is better ... (who's = who is)
Ricky is making sound arguments like a boss!
This is like listening to Nigel Tufnel: your god does not go to eleven!
As it happens, Gervais is explaining it exactly as I’ve always done. Atheism is not a belief system; it is a lack of belief. The great thing of course is that reality needs no belief to be real - and fairy tales, regardless of how stringently you believe them, remain fairy tales.
But these go to 11
The greatest fairy tale of our era is capitalism and the universe came from nothing.
@@Amadeus-ms9lt communism is a greater fairy tale as no one has accomplished “true communism” that whole structure needs totalitarianism to actually “work”
You realize lack of belief is a belief itself? I mean first we have to define what a belief is, a belief is an opinion that makes propositions. There are inherent propositions that atheism always makes, that is the denial of the existence of god. You don’t find atheists thinking god does exist (theism) or that they don’t know if god exists (agnosticism), you only ever find atheists denying god exists. And that isn’t just a silly coincidence, that’s because atheism makes assertions, therefore making it a belief.
@@benbenbinks2371 The fascinating thing about believers is that they are soooo invested in their belief in belief itself that they refuse to accept the possibility that a human being could forego belief.
A prime example of a plain and simple good conversational debate. I wish more people were just like these two.
A very respectful yet firm way to discuss such a sensitive topic 👏
Ricky was borrowing from Hitchins with this “2999 gods” quote. Some respect for Hitch. 🤟
Hitchins didn't come up with it. Historian Stephen Henry Roberts (1901-71) did. Here is the full quote:
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
@@bf5175 thank you for your Research!
@@bf5175 well done! Cheers.
@@bf5175 respect sir. I shall use this for future occasions.
I wish people spent more time contemplating their own actions than they did contemplating if there’s some invisible man in the sky. Actions have a real effect on the world, your personal opinions do not.
They usually spend less time on that and more on what party is superior and righteous....they believe not so much in god but their party dictates what is good for others and they take the word of their party over the right of the individual as they make false idols of their upper party members🧐
That's a double edged sword you're throwing
They did a study that demonstated that people were less likely to help a homeless person if they had gone to a religious service that day. The possible explanation is that they felt that praying was their good deed for the day.
Faith asks you to contemplate your words and actions
Love the words, it's the most truthful thing I've heard
Good discussion on the biggest question we’ve ever had
I'm always amused when a religious person asks me "so where did the universe come from then," or "so how can life come from lifelessness." My answer should be obvious - I don't know.
The weird part is how they make the logical jump from "I don't know," to that somehow validating their belief in god is what gets me. Just because I don't know the answer doesn't mean that your option somehow has any validity. That's not how logic works.
It also amuses me how religious folks never have any issue with science until it contradicts their preconceived beliefs. You never see a theist arguing over whether science can be reliable enough to make it guaranteed that electronics work or that scientific principles can be used to make sure that their house doesn't fall down. Nah, that stuff is all accepted. But the moment it even hints at even the smallest chance that a single line in their holy book is wrong, then its all "just a theory," and nobody really knows for sure.
All Religious people depend on Analogy fallacies to justify the belief they hold. “The world is beautiful, thus their must be a god”. “The world is complex, so their must be a complex creator.” It’s basic logic and rhetoric knowing what a analogy fallacy is but the religious don’t understand how stupid the fallacies really are to people who don’t believe in it.
this a fucking golden point right here.
bruh i’ll devote my entire life to christianity if another christian can explain to me the events that occur on a molecular level when jesus supposedly transmutes water into wine
@@Equinox1411 or how Jesus would allow ppl to claim he was caucasian.
Both guys having a reasonable discussion. Refreshing.
Stephens response about feeling gratitude at his existence and wanting to direct that gratitude towards something as his reason for belief in God is pretty much why mankind started creating Gods and Religion in the first place.
defo yeah. The way I see it it likely happened in early humans out of ignorance understandably when they thought there were Gods of the sky, sea, mountains etc but organised religion came along later. People believe cos of feelings
Oh I’m going to use that one from the end. That’s very good
He's basing his belief on his strong desire to direct gratitude ? Tf is wrong with people 🤷♂️
that's it, people like that have never actually thought about what the word ''true'' or ''truth'' means, they think it's what God wants but it's in fact true if it's according to reality
You just said it. "Basing" his belief. As in, he's choosing his belief. I.e. he's in control of his belief, which means it's not a belief at all, but a choice.
When a medical team saves a life through surgery, they say "Thank God!", but what do they say when a child dies of brain cancer?!?!
@@ericburger6482
“God works in mysterious ways” 😎
Well nobody can help but believing the things they want to believe in, ego is illusion, it plays out till it dies, or the body dies, nobody has real control, only illusion of control, you're mind is smarter than you.
I love Ricky and i am in total agreement with him .
He makes no sense and should stick to comedy, this is like a murderer telling you that he only killed one person more than you so ya'll are no different.
I love Ricky too but I don’t agree with him.
@@neehar6409 brainwashed
@@neehar6409 No it's like me telling you that 1+3=5 and you saying you don't believe me. If I wanted to prove it, I couldn't. So therefore you wouldn't believe me. If I could prove it, then you would believe me. But it's a necessary truth that I can't prove it, therefore I shouldn't be believed.
@@hardlinefoil7532 lol nice reply m8
I had to laugh when Colbert said you just believe what you’ve been told (science); Ricky should have said well aren’t you !! 🤣 I love Ricky!
"I would rather live my life as if there is a god and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is" Albert Camus
Imagine dying and finding out you've been worshipping the wrong god? What if the god you worship is really Satan deceiving you? What if the Egyptian gods are real? What if the Aztec ones are? And if no gods exist and there is no afterlife, when you die, you're dead, and would have wasted your one and only life you'll ever get, on a lie.
If you "believe" because you are afraid of being wrong, than you don't believe.
Pascal’s wager
The Demiurge/Demiurgos is a conception of a deity that's explicitly cruel, if not outright evil and antagonistic to Human life. Not a very pleasant piece of theology.
A demiurge is just a colloquial term for a creator god, as opposed to like a God of War or something.
@@baronroaster404 There's a Gnostic application, as well. That's the one I'm referring to.
Wow, someone knows about it? I am impressed. Yes, the idea was that all matter is evil and spirit needs to be free.
@@dominicksebastien2254 . . . but that's such a profoundly pathological worldview, isn't it? It's more than mere asceticism, it's a renunciation of life and a wish for death/paradise in the hereafter, a wish for "spirit" to be free from "matter." Only death cults deal in such worldviews.
@@christiananderson4909 I would say, yes. Though, even those that adhered to it had hierarchies. Since they knew most couldn't do it they had elites and initiates and all the rest.
However, there was yet another explanation. And it went like this - since matter means nothing, only spirit, we can do whatever with that matter. It meant orgies etc.
Is it possible to draw parallels between that and modern thought? Matter doesn't matter, only how I define myself. Identity is purely based on my thoughts about myself, not on what is objectively, materialistically given?
On point, Ricky 👍
Two legends talking it out.
Wow, both dudes actually having a civil conversation despite having different beliefs. 👏
Spot on ricky
What happens if he jumps out? WHAT HAPPENS DAMNED!!
Ricky: _"I'd smash to the ground because of this thing called 'gravity'"_
Stephen: _"And then............Satan would be raping you."_
(That wasn't me being silly, by the way, that's genuinely how the conversation continues in the full version).
God doesn't catch him surprise surprise
Christopher Hitchens -
"Gullibility and credulity are considered undesirable qualities in every department of human life except religion"
The reason indoctrination from a young age is so important is because if you introduced the idea of religion to a 16yr old, they'd see the utter stupidity of it!!
Man, I'd never heard that Hitchens quote, it's momentous.
Ah if only Hitchens were alive today, how I would love his viewpoint on this world we’re living in now. Superb quote.
Thank you for that, i thought it was one of yours. What a simple and brilliant logic.
Yeah explain that to athiests who convert to religion after going through most their life without any sort of belief in anything lmao
@@Umz15824 When did you interview all atheists to arrive at that conclusion?
There are many reasons I love Gervais...this is simply one more.
In some religion, cutting a clip like that is blasphemy
I say god in lower case too, come at me. It doesn't exist, I'm not idolising an imaginary figure, created to control people for the benefit of an empire
@@hardlinefoil7532 Understandable. Have great day.
The quote" I don't believe in one more God than you" is one of my favorites
How so?
According to that logic you are no different than a murderer, he only killed one person more than you.
@@neehar6409 Wrong logic. Murder is binary, you either do or don't. It doesn't involve a spectrum of 3,000 different choices. Massive difference.
@@leerobbo92 So Is theism,you either believe in God or you don't.
telling that everybody is an atheist and you just don't believe in one more God is like saying a square is just a triangle with one more side.Thats just not how definitions work.
@@neehar6409 Right, but in order to not believe in any god, you have to whittle down all those choices: just like to believe in one god (or group of gods) is to also whittle down from all of the available choices.
A murderer doesn't go around the entire planet, whittling down one by one from 8 billion down to their victim, just like how the rest of us don't spend every day making a conscious decision not to kill every individual we come into contact with. The default, rational position is not killing.
Even if you ignore the absurd difference in ethics which makes the analogy tedious at best on the surface, they're not remotely comparable decision trees.
Exceptionally well put.
I like that they respect each other’s opinions and get their points across calmly, the host is just asking questions and not trying to say his opinion is the only acceptable answer
Love how a comedian schools sooooo many so called educated people. Love that man.
Not really. Any religious scholar worth their salt would easily dismantle Gervais' pop-atheistic answers. The average Joe thinks he's amazing because he presents arguments that anyone can understand (so it makes them feel smart). I can't say I've ever seen him "school" someone who is educated in the topic of theism.
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@@stephenmcphee8131 Ricky definitely schooled him
@@glenrayner1138 no he had a conversation with him, and Colbert appreciated the arguments because he didn't have a retort in the moment.
@@stephenmcphee8131 He was clearly schooled. And I bet it's not the first time Ricky does it.
This interview reminds me of older talk show interviews in the 60s/70s like Dick Cavett where they’d have real discussions on life and their ideas of meanings on things and not make every question gossip related and bland/lazy like they tend to crunch it all up to these days. Whether you believe in God or a god(s) or not, this was a really interesting conversation. Props to Colbert. He and Conan are really carrying these talk show interviews.
Thankyou for making sense
Nice editing on the end
Its time humans adopt logic and leave behind myth
Myth? Evolution is a myth.
Perfect mid-sentence ending!
Hahaha came here to say “what a cliffhanger!” Hahaha
Very good argument by Gervais. Seems to be an actual seeker of the existence and truth and not only about argument of what’s right or wrong. Not so much work needs to be done with a person like this. Once he experiences Truth, he will know it.
If we didn’t have religion in the world it would be a better place 🤙
When there was a time when there no policemen to enforce society's rules it probably made the local area a better place to have a vengeful God watching your citizens all the time to be fair.
It's only when two societies can't agree on whose God is the true one that you hit problems!
Religion is the most stupid thing I ever encountered , it's just needed when u r afraid , helpless and it just gives u a fake feeling of hope or something happening.
as a believer, being fearful shows a lack of faith. Believers are called upon to be followers of Jesus Christ, not followers of religion. To walk in the Holy Spirit is to walk by faith, to be led by Holy spirit.
@Marc Carran no the world evolved on it's own.
@Marc Carran I can give you whole bunches of thesis and experiments to prove it ! If u need just tell me .
I’m apatheistic. Whether there isn’t or is a god, or thousands or millions of gods doesn’t matter.
It’s irrelevant to my life, especially considering such deities do not make themselves personally known to me.
That some cool Logic you have there Man🤟🏻
Perfect cut at the end there
I used to be one of these atheists who thought "oh Gervais is such an intelligent man" . Dropping "truth bombs" or "exposing religion with logic". But then I grew up and found God and faith. Believing in God is the smartest thing you can do in life
@aryiooeetygv getting molested by sick ppl and believing in God is completely different. If u were molested by a priest it has nothing to do with religion. That is his own individual problem in his head. It means the guy is a psycho and a monster. It wasn't the God's order to do it. It was his own decision and he abused his position as a priest. If that's what happened. Idk if you were getting molested or if you're just generally speaking, but what I said was an example of an explanation. You could have easily been molested by a stranger on the street. The fact it was a priest doesn't make a difference. Molestation is sick and it doesn't have anything to do with the molesters job/calling. If a police officer molest someone it doesn't mean all cops are bad it just means the individual who did it is a sick person