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This is truly a great time for audio. The absolute best part is the easy of streaming and listening to so many artist. It helps greatly on my vinyl and cd purchases. I still like to support artist and nothing like reading liner notes on a hot summer night with my dog in my lap and a cold beverage in my hand. John's interview with dynaudio's engineer was extremely insightful this week. I am excited for the review of their new active speaker.
John: I have been watching your UA-cam Videos for quite some time, plus your Podcasts (that I love), but I comment rarely. I KNOW you cannot go do every comparison that people throw at you after a review like this one on the Marantz 40n! So what follows is merely a suggestion to consider. At this same price point (about $2600 USD) NAD has introduced the C399 at the top of their Classic line, also full size & fairly heavy, but with a great deal more power at both 8 and 4 Ohms (180 Watts/Channel at full bandwidth), using their top of the line Class D amp design migrated down from the Masters series. In fact, the C399 amp is much closer to the specs of the M33 than the M10 V2. AND it has a MM Phono stage built in, plus all the Blue OS streaming features as well as the App (via the optional modular MDC2 board), and a HDMI ARC input, + multiple other digital and analogue inputs. And it has the full Bass Management features that come with the Blue OS, PLUS Dirac Live Room Correction software included (full extended version is a $99 option). And a headphone amp. The only things it does not have compared to the M10 V2 is the great display screen and the small form factor of the box. But on paper the C399 exceeds the M10 V2 on every other feature and spec, for a bit less money! And Yes, I do know that Specs alone will not tell you how it sounds in comparison, especially in the same room, etc.! Hence my suggestion to at least look into it as an alternative to both the Marantz 40n and the M10 V2! Best regards!
The C399 cant do wireless streaming to 2 rear speakers like the NAD m10v2 (I checked with NAD), otherwise yes C399 is better if you don't care about size and the touchscreen.
Today I bought the Model 40n and a pair of KEF LS50 Meta. I (side by side) compared it in the shop to the KEF LS50 Meta Wireless 2 with the Reset the Preset album from Console. It was a tough decision. In the end I like the sound a little bit more (warmer and more well rounded) and I think its always a good idea to have a seperate AMP if you have the space. I still have my KEF R400b here. I may use it with the new setup. Thank you for the video Mr. Darko. :)
If you are using Roon, I'd recommend just using the RHEOS plug in until full roon support is added by marantz. This adds high res audio for all devices with heos.
Mate, I love your style (your glasses and your videos) and you made my day today. I left Berlin in 2008 and had to leave my Stereoanlage behind. Only recently my living situation changed making it possible to get into it again. That's how I came across your videos. The thing I got a little emotional about is the introduction to Ben Salter. I love his music and he will be playing at the Petersham Bowling Club 300m down the road in November. I'm pretty sure the Hitzewelle will be guaranteed for this one too. Thanks John
Sounds...by your description and excellent choice. And John your descriptive attitude is always as close to perfect as one might get. And dare I say it not unlike the Marantz being a bridge as you weave your way from system analysis qualities and topology.
To answer your question about the HP filter for the sub, it's because some people run a standard power amp for their sub/s that don't have any functionality built in.
I’m digging the album recommendation to start each of your videos. My taste is a bit different but quality music is quality music and I welcome stuff I have never heard, which can be hard to come by. 🍻
What am I missing? What about a decent AVR for a quarter of the price? If you want 2 channel, just connect front L and R and specify it in the settings. Likewise for 2.1 or 5.1 if you want to listen to multi channel SACDs. For example the Yamaha RX-V6A has all the things (phono stage, room correction, 32bit, DSD, pure direct, Tidal Deezer Qobuz Spotify and local network streamer, Airplay 2, musiccast multiroom, control app on phone, 100w output, massive volume knob) as well as extra channels if you want them or not if you don't. I never see comparisons of HDMI integrated 2 channel amps and AVRs.
I went from an Onkyo TX-SR705 AVR 7.1 @ 100w 2 channels playing and now I have a Marantz PM8006 80w intergraded amp. And listening to music the Marantz destroy’s the Onkyo in sound quality and dynamic’s I don’t know why it sounds so much better but it does. It could be the toroidal transformer in the Marantz over the switching power supply in the Onkyo that makes the big difference.
I have a pair of Boston Acoustics and a pair of Mordaunt Short bookshelf speakers hooked up to my Cambridge Audio amplifier. I did take away the Mordaunt Shorts for a while to see if I got more focus and soundstage, but I’ve gone back to the four speaker set up in the end. I missed the blend of the aluminium tweeter and punchier bass on the Mordaunts with the more laidback soft dome tweeter on the Bostons. They are both 8 ohm speakers and pretty easy to drive, so the amp is never under undue strain. The extra speakers also add body and volume in my large, high-ceiling living room and they sound just right to me.
This seems similar to my Marantz PM8006 intergraded amp as far as power, for the digital end a have a Node 2i and an Oppo 203 with mod’s connected to a Arcam irDac with an external sBooster liner power supply. Sounds really nice
I believe it is the amp section of the pm 8006 with double the output transistors which in theory should give it higher current capacity. I love my older pm8004 and I am torn on if I should get the 40n or add a streamer to my 8004.
It’s a real shame that Roon wasn’t included in 2022. It’s becoming a deal breaker for many, if it’s not included in a streaming integrated. Airplay 2 can work, but is not ideal. The Hegel H120 would be an appropriate competitor, albeit missing a phone stage.
maybe the LPF is so you can more precisely control the sub from the listening position via remote. should add to a more accurate setting. would be better if there were gradients between the frequency settings. maybe redundant, but I think it probably adds a little functionality. If you went with an excellent monoprice monolith sub, you wouldn't have an app to control the LPF. feature really comes in handy then.
Hey!!!!! He said alopecia. OBVIOUSLY that was aimed at Jada as she now OWNS the word. Careful buddy or you may get the hand ✋️ from Sir WILL. Btw going to give the 40n a try, been debating on which all in 1 to go with. Whats up with the dac though? Is it any good? Was that glossed over, did I just miss it?
Hi John. Alan here from Ireland. I’m actually a big fan of your videos and your podcast. I love that you give recommendations on actual music. Without you I’d have never discovered Future of the left for example! I have the Marantz PM7000n and love it. Unfortunately this hifi disease we have wants me to upgrade to new the model 40! In terms of functionality it seems identical. It’s twice the price and I am really looking for an excuse to upgrade. Please tell me that it’s way better than the Pm7000n. Thanks for all the good work and look forward to your next upload and podcast. Alan
It was 40 C here in Missouri today. It's been like this all week and it's hell. A lot of Germans settled here because they thought it resembled their homeland.
Hello John, I've spotted that you have polish settings (next to DE and ENG) at your phone on keyboard. Does it mean that you know or speak polish at some level? Pole here
Nice to know it works with drum n bass. Not enough reviews include my music of choice. Props for mentioning and frying John b. All my drum n bass is on wax. Already have rega illicit r, monitor audio silver 2, 2 technics 1200 mk5 and the blusound node. But considering upgrading some parts. Would the marantz be a side step or upgrade? I was thinking of speaker upgrade first
Great review John. One of your best I think despite the odd use of words like “Cerebral” 🤣🤣🤣 Keep up the good work for the community. 👍🏻 And G’Day from another expat still down under, If you can slip in why you left I’d be interested…👍🏻
Thanks for the video! Few questions if you can please answer: I have RT85 connected with Klipsch The Fives. I'm looking to upgrade my stereo system, and first I was thinking about Klipsch The Sevens, but I would like to listen to CDs too and also to be able to connect to the TV . 1. What you recommend to buy between Marantz Cinema 70 and Marantz 40n? which one has a better phono stage and works better with a CD player? Is the $1500 difference between them worth to go with 40n? I'm ok spending $2500 for the 40n if it makes more sense. (I'm not watching a lot of movies or playing games). 2. Is Marantz CD 60 the best match with 40n, or works ok with Cinema 70? 3. What bookshelf speakers you recommend up to $2000 ($2500) per pair? (I have a Klipsch Reference R-10SW 10" 300w Powered Subwoofer and I was hinking about Klipsch 600M II to match the subwoofer, but I'm ok spending more for better quality or better match with Marantz). 4. Can I replace (after 1000 hours) the 2 M Blue with the 2m Bronze cartridge on my RT 85? Thank you very much! Reply
Dear , always great produced videos of high interest. Being my knowledge of electronic music very limited I find myself enjoying the music that you select for your videos a lot. Is there any way to identify it? Do you have any playlist?
The lack of Roon Ready via ethernet is a deal killer for me. I am a Roon enthusiast. Does Marantz have any plans to get the 40n Roon Ready via ethernet?
I bought a Model 50, same power, same appearance, completely analog, which is better because I'm not married to DAC and HEOS, so I can choose digital partners 😊
@@fhaquuu Beautiful dynamic, great punch, lots of details, loud listening is stable and controlled. It has a warm sound whit great phono preamp and last but not least super headphones output that can run almost every headphones, so I dont like it I LOVE it....hope I help
The Model 40n is around €2000 in our local HiFi shop. While the Model 50 is around €1800. I think I would pick the Model 40n because it is Made in Japan while the Model 50 is in Vietnam. Not to mention the 40n has a separate dac, streamer, analog connection and hdmi. I think I can get more bang for my buck with the Model 40n for a €200 price difference. It has the same sound profile anyway so no contest for me.
Just a thought on your question about “redundancy” of low pass filter for sub output: there must be more than a few users beside myself who are using passive subs powered by separate power amps without onboard filtering or even level controls. In my own case, that’s in the context of a HT surround receiver where extensive DSP horsepower is available. In at least one of your previous presentations you were effusive about “future-fi” products such as, say the KEF LS60, which pack as much componentry and functionality into a single cabinet as the engineers can achieve with whatever the current technology allows, but there can be downsides to that - long term reliability and ease of repair certainly included. After hearing tales from a buddy who’s been an installer / repair tech at a local hi-fi shop for over 30yrs of the in-availability of repair parts for plate amps in name brand subs that amazingly (?) seldom seem to fail within replacement warranty periods requiring either kludging together of aftermarket products, or replacing with a new piece, that’s one area where I’m now likely to stick with separate boxes.
I have this exact combo since the release of the 40n and I'm super happy. I'm driving a sub with it and well though, so that choice may or may not also influence your decision. Well not exactly, because I drive a different, cheaper sub form Q-acoustics. With my room size and layout the kc62 wasn't a reasonable choice for my listening position. My musical choices are similar to John's, wit a bit more heavy metal. I'm not anywhere close to the amounts of systems heard as John does, but my opinion is that he gave the perfect review about a product that I own, because I would sign this script in a heartbeat. About the combination of the two: my room is rather small, I wanted to upgrade my sound, and downsize the amount of devices. I am super happy and have the feeling that I have a zero compromises set for now. I hope that was of any help. Kindest regards, K
@@g-mail4743 but not paired to the 40n. Since he's familiar with those speakers and sub I'd like his opinion on how they might sound with the 40n. So no, he hasn't done that.
@@kayurbach5182 thank you. I have a small space so the integrated aspect is attractive to me and I'm a big Marantz fan. I also like the KEF combo for my space. The phono and headphone support is more important to me than the streaming.
True. Id take his response on the sound profile of the 40n and then what he said about the LS50 meta sound profile then imagine how the combination sounds, but they are both balanced products and should sound really good togeather. There are some sound demos on youtube you can listen to and compare the sounds of products and get an idea. You will have to use neutral headphones and amp. My experiences with the sound demos on youtube aligned with having the products in my listening room.
Hi. For your two reviews of the M 40n, the many comments on the internet and of course for the quality of the brand, I am convinced that the 40n model is one of the best HiFi audio options (price - quality ratio). But it's too expensive for many local economies, where $500+ audio equipment is already considered a luxury. I have the Marantz NR1200 and my amplification priority is listening to vinyl records, with this preamble: Would buying a Phono Preamp be a good alternative to upgrade my NR1200 or would none of that compare to buying the 40n model?
HEOS is junk, I have it on my PM7000n, if I want to use anything other than spotify, I have to reset the modem use tidal for instance, if i want to change to tunein, I have to reset the modem again, and that doesn't always work either. It's the only let down for an otherwise brilliant sounding amp
I considered buying a Marantz streaming amp a couple of years ago, but I noticed every review for HEOS in the android app store was 1 star. Every review was from a frustrated user, saying HEOS was a streaming pile of horse s#%t. That was the deal breaker for me, I took my money elsewhere.
I have had (then sold for other reasons) the Denon pma-150h with Heos, never encountered a single problem honestly. But still is a limited system since doesn't support mqa, tidal connect, and qobuz. I'd rather have bought a 40n without streaming and a Bluesound node with the same money, if this was possible.
No Tidal Connect, no eArc. I also don't understand why you can't add room correction to a stereo amplifier, when much cheaper home theater amplifiers have one? Manufacturers' own streaming platforms are also completely pointless. Tidal Connect, Spotify Connect, Airplay, Chromecast and bluetooth are perfectly fine.
I see you make no mention to the tone control knobs it has. For me it's a big plus: I listen to lots of mediocre recordings, and I use them to mitigate the mess, basically. If you are after tone controls as I am, there any very few options on the market, and this is one.
Can I hook it up to the cinema 70 to get the best stereo sound for vinyl and cds but also get great 5.1 or 7.1 Surround sound. If so how does that work. Long winded questions I know sorry.
A lot of enthusiasts would say that Bluetooth degrades the sound quality, even at highest settings like aptx or whatever it's called. They'd use their phone/tablet as a remote for another source rather than as the source itself. The other (less convenient) option is plug a usb dongle DAC into the tablet and run an analogue audio cable to the amp. That's potentially higher quality.
This might be a dumb question buy honestly im kind of clueless when it comes to this stuff. I have an Anthem mrx540. I have an external anthem amplifier , mca 20, hooked up to it. I only use this for stereo music with my Paradigm Founders 100F. I only stream music via googlecast with my Tidal music app. Would I benefit from getting the Marantz 40N and use it instead? Again sorry for the dumb question but Im just a bit confused.
Basically asking if a streamer with Tidal support will sound better than using Chromecast to send Tidal to a system. I don't think you can answer without listening. Either way, you don't need this Marantz. A dedicated streamer connected to your current system MAY improve the sound. This Marantz has DAC/preamp/amp that you already have. Chromecast streams CD quality (I think) so you may not hear any improvement even if you could get technically a higher bitrate stream into your system. Unless you like messing with things just for fun, I wouldn't worry that you are losing any sound quality with your current setup.
I have a Novatron Cocktail Audio X-45. One can use its ARC HDMI port to show on a external screen what is shown on its own LCD screen. Does this apply to Marantz N40's HDMI ARC port as well?
I'm in two minds about that. DACs become outdated way quicker than amps. In ten years the integrated DAC is long obsolete and can't be sold/repurposed. I went for a dongle DAC so I can swap it whenever. Still no intention of replacing my 20 year old amp though.
@@DarkoAudio Thanks for mentioning my comment John in your respond video about the Marantz 40N. Next time I wil explain more what I mean when I respond to your reviews. Love your channel by the way! Greetings from the Netherlands. Ronald
My guess is the 40n does not. It's equipped with a 100-step electronic volume control. So there is no actual motor that turns the volume control. But you can change the volume up or down via the remote. The PM8006 also has an electronic volume control.
In my city, we will be hovering around 36c all week with the humidity staying above 60%. A great time to stay indoors. I've just had a thought on future fi. Many of the features that these amps are touting, HDMI eARC, Airplay, Wireless Networking, room correction, etc, have been on your basic AVR for years. It seems like HiFi is being designed for the main living space again rather than the dark and dank listening room. HiFi is merging elements of home theater to bring the whole family in on the fun. Or maybe this is just a reflection of the influx of hifi fiends from the HT boom of the Mid 90s growing up. Either way, I see it as a positive myself.
I have the 40n paired with a kc62 sub and Zu Omen Dirty Weekend 2’s… it is awesome in my room and it amazes visitors the way you can hear things in songs you may have not heard before and how it sounds like the artist is in the room with you. HEOS is ok and functional, but I am not a ROON user so I have only used HEOS.
My wishes for a Marantz 40n Special Edition version of this amplifier. 1. Copper plating inside like other Special Editions. 2. 100 watts into 8 ohms. 140 or more into 4 ohms. 3. ESS 9038 Pro DAC. 3. The MM/MC phono preamp used in the Marantz Model 30 4. Roon Ready 5. Tidal Connect and MQA 6. Two HDMI inputs 7. HEOS to finally include Qobuz 8. Midrange tone control like the PM8006 has.
When it comes to audio equipment, bigger and heavier typically more expensive. I love my Marantz 40n. It's built like a tank, sounds absolutely amazing.
Where would the Lyndorf tdai 1120 fit in your opinion, to the 40n, Nad M10, Naim Atom. And why? I'm currently deciding between these 4 as a minimilist long term all in one . The Lyndorf 1120 is so far at the top for me due to the Room Correction. As I have an odd shaped listening room I believe this will help it stand out above the others. But all seem to have their own unique features. Thanks.
Thanks for the great comparison John. Dealing with the opposite of a heatwave here in the antipodes, record floods. Unfortunately pricing is also reversed - the marantz 40n is $500 NZD dearer than the Naim Uniti Atom and a whopping $1000 dearer than the NAD m10v2. In Australia looks like the 40n is priced the same as the NAD. So maybe the 40N isn't the best value in all places !?
Whilst i do like a screen for artwork i think a better option is just having a stand for your ipad/tablet displaying the now playing artwork direct from the app. Why every amp that has a good old fashioned tactile volume knob shuns touchscreens baffles me.
Owning the M10, I can tell you that I rarely use the unit's volume control. I use it only literally in passing. I did try out the Naim Uniti Star, but passed on it as the only thing that it had that the NAD didn't was that volume control, lovely as it is. The Naim's CD ripper failed as often as it didn't - a known issue. The NAD has *many* more features, including home integration, Dirac, the Bluesound software, judicious tone controls and frequent firmware updates. As a matter of fact, they recently added a balance control. That's no small thing. And it all *works*.
Central Florida is hot! HOT! HOT! I admire your ability to communicate the intricacies and differences. The ability of the Marantz to modify a passive sub appeals to me.
Hi John. You have been teasing us with the Rega P8 in the background of your videos for some time now. Will you be reviewing it for us anytime soon? Also, I noticed in this video you had a metal puck on top. Does that puck make the records sound better in your opinion?
Sorry, Mark (and everyone else) but I won't be reviewing the Rega. I have nothing to compare it to. And I don't have a second 2M Black, nor the skills to move it from one 'table to the next swiftly and accurately enough to make any comparison reliable. Furthemore, I know from past experience that even when I say *explicitly in the video title* that I am comparing this table with this cart to this other table with this other cart, the vinyl grumpies turn up in droves to point that I'm not comparing tables unless I use the same cart on both. 🤦🏻♂
I really want to like this Marantz but I really just don't have a need for all the streaming stuff. I'd rather they put all that money into the amplifier section. I also really don't like the build on this amp. I played around with one at a shop and there's so much plastic and bad knob feel for the price they are asking. The Denon pma 1700ne seems to be a better value for someone more analog - oriented. More power, much better build, and about $500 cheaper.
I agree 100%. I have the Marantz model 30 and just picked up the Denon PMA 1600ne. The 1700 ne is the newer model. I prefer to have a separate source for streaming.
Sorry to sound grumpy but if you're not into streaming why on earth is this product on your radar, and if it's not, why bother criticizing them for making it? There are literally dozens of standard integrated amps out there to choose from in the price bracket, and the simple fact is that more people want a streaming-in-the-box solution. I do get the Henry Ford "if I asked the people what they wanted they'd have said "faster horses" " reasoning that companies shouldn't always just build what the unwashed masses ask for, but I don't really feel it applies to the rarefied world of audio.
I enjoy your reviews quite a bit. I value the opinion of many reviewers but I recently went against the grain a bit. I purchased an Arcam SA30. I have been enjoying it immensely. HDMI, good phono stage, Roon, Airplay, Chromecast and high biased class A power. Plus it displays bit rate. It’s been an eye opening experience.
That is interesting the 40N doesn't high-pass the mains through a DSP by choice but allows low-pass on the sub. Sub integration is a bit of an art typically with use of delays but more importantly phase (of course phase is time and time is phase). So through the crossover region there will typically be a natural roll-off on smaller mains. I'd imagine the best integration would be matching the sub low-pass to that natural roll-off on the mains, but measuring to verify they are in-phase in that crossover region. Easily measurable with something like room eq wizard for someone who knows how to do it. Quick test if possible would be flipped phase on the sub and play tone at crossover region but that's a whole topic in itself. GREAT review as always Sir.
Your correct! It doesn’t make sense. Marrantz’s Manuel says it sets the low pass filter for the subwoofer output. The output audio signal has a lower frequency than the set value 40 Hz / 60 Hz / 80 Hz / 100 Hz / 120 Hz (Default: 80 Hz) This is telling me that if I set what Marrantz calls a low pass filter 60 Hz my sub will play anything below 60 Hz. Now I’m wondering what happens to the signal to my speaker? Does it cut off any signal below my setting of 60 Hz to the speakers which would make this a high pass filter not low pass. Or will the speakers continue to play full range? It doesn’t make sense that this amp would be solely designed for passive subs and even if it was a high pass filter would definitely be beneficial. 🤔🤪
No, speakers will still be full range. Purpose of this setting is to set the crossover frequency of the sub on the amp instead of on the sub itself, for a more accurate and better setting. Generally, in a stereo setup, speakers are always made run full range, the sub is only to compliment the lower part of the spectrum.
Hi! Excellent video! As always! Question. There’s a reason why you didn’t use the Cambridge audio evo 150 on your comparison? This it does have mm input and a decent headphone amplifier. Thanks!
I'm having the same debate between the two. Class D but Direc and BluoS (from what I understand is a better experience) vs Class AB, and much better looks in the 40N. *Pulls hair out* halp
Happy I got the arcam sa30 on heavy discount. You can get them as “B-stock” very easily because most buyers have a hissy fit when they discover it has a major software quirk with the remote not being able to turn the unit on…. After purchase, once you restart it like 10 times while doing software updates, just ignore the remote and fully integrate it to your network via ethernet and hdmi 2.1 and you don’t even use the remote anymore. I haven’t had a problem with it since the first couple days I bought it.
Great review. The HEOS app works but thats all. It needs serious interface and functionality improvements. The app leaves me searching for an alternative. The advance settings you refer to need to move to the remote app (that is basic but works). Both apps are ok but they are kinda only halfway there and Marantz either need to truly dive in to making them work well or allow alternative options perhaps a third party. I also think its time for Marantz to add larger screens to display information. I know its untraditional but the reality is if you need your phone to run an app to make the amp work you need a screen.
Nice Job Darko ! Thanks For the video. I own 3 Marantz amps' 2270/8006/1403 and been owning them since 1992 2265b I though about having Tees made for me channel 25/193 😆 😆Still loving your music list on Spotify Appricate you darko i actually heard the 40n without hearing the 40n lol Kickass review !
The Naim and the NAD will never be in my listening room. I prefer the traditional look and feel. Plus that volume knob on the top of the Naim is just a poor design location in my point of view. The Marantz on the other hand is very appealing. Now if it only had 100+ watts of power. Thanks again!
This review brings up a very interesting question that I've been asking myself lately. What is better, using components you love without room correction or getting a setup with well integrated DSP even if it's not your first choice of DAC/amplification. In other words, do the benefits of DSP outweigh the benefits of a sweet sounding DAC/amp. How much can your brain overcome the inherent coloration created by your room acoustics? I think my room sounds pretty decent but there is no acoustic treatment (other than rugs and furniture). I can also tell that the room definitely has some problems in the low end department and that room correction would probably tighten up the bass a lot. I really love my combination tube integrated amp and Ares II DAC, and REL sub, and there's no elegant way to integrate DSP into my setup. Hypothetically, in a blind test, what would I enjoy more, the sweet sound of my current setup or the corrected sound of a future-fi setup? I think it's a really interesting dilemma.
Trust your ears my tip is make the room properly aired , it's good for the highs ,& lows , it's called hemisphere , which has an effect on the ambience!!!
Me and a friend found the more expensive Naim Uniti Atom to be more bang for the buck in the end after quite a few hours of testing both. The Naim sounded better with all of the speakers we tried (Focal Kanta 2, GamuT Phi 5 and Paradigm Persona 3F). We thought the Marantz had a sibilant or sharp tinge of some sort that we just couldn't come to terms with. The Marantz is undoubtedly good value for the money with all the functions, but I'd suggest to anyone interested in a streamer/amp combo in the Model 40n price range to strongly consider checking out the Naim Uniti Atom as well even if it is a 30% price increase.
Excellent review, thank you. Super integrated review request: I have become very interested in the c399 recently and would love you to get your hands on it. Sort of by accident I think I’ve realized it could be the best amplifier in this super competitive ‘streaming super integrated’ segment, as long as you don’t care about size. One issue I have with the m10 is it’s poor analogue input (this has been noted by multiple reviewers), and as someone who is 50/50 streaming/vinyl, this is irksome. Is the c399 a better, more powerful/fully featured/analogue friendly version of the m10 for less? I’d love for you to tell us!
Yep. The little Lyngdorf often gets overlooked. I know John likes it though, but surprised he didn't mention it in passing. It has a very good MM phono stage too, but no headphone socket.
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As I have just 48 hrs ago ordered my new 40n, I really like what you’re saying 🥰
This is truly a great time for audio. The absolute best part is the easy of streaming and listening to so many artist. It helps greatly on my vinyl and cd purchases. I still like to support artist and nothing like reading liner notes on a hot summer night with my dog in my lap and a cold beverage in my hand. John's interview with dynaudio's engineer was extremely insightful this week. I am excited for the review of their new active speaker.
Take it from me guys and gals, this amp is awesome. it really sings, especially with an added subwoofer. Simply gorgeous, sumptuous sound.
Do you use sound correction with n40? Like extra bass/treble?
Thank you so much for many great music recommendations including Ben Salter. I’ve been listening to him all afternoon.
That was a solid episode. Marantz all day!
John: I have been watching your UA-cam Videos for quite some time, plus your Podcasts (that I love), but I comment rarely. I KNOW you cannot go do every comparison that people throw at you after a review like this one on the Marantz 40n! So what follows is merely a suggestion to consider. At this same price point (about $2600 USD) NAD has introduced the C399 at the top of their Classic line, also full size & fairly heavy, but with a great deal more power at both 8 and 4 Ohms (180 Watts/Channel at full bandwidth), using their top of the line Class D amp design migrated down from the Masters series. In fact, the C399 amp is much closer to the specs of the M33 than the M10 V2. AND it has a MM Phono stage built in, plus all the Blue OS streaming features as well as the App (via the optional modular MDC2 board), and a HDMI ARC input, + multiple other digital and analogue inputs. And it has the full Bass Management features that come with the Blue OS, PLUS Dirac Live Room Correction software included (full extended version is a $99 option). And a headphone amp. The only things it does not have compared to the M10 V2 is the great display screen and the small form factor of the box. But on paper the C399 exceeds the M10 V2 on every other feature and spec, for a bit less money! And Yes, I do know that Specs alone will not tell you how it sounds in comparison, especially in the same room, etc.! Hence my suggestion to at least look into it as an alternative to both the Marantz 40n and the M10 V2! Best regards!
The C399 cant do wireless streaming to 2 rear speakers like the NAD m10v2 (I checked with NAD), otherwise yes C399 is better if you don't care about size and the touchscreen.
I have looked at so many items that miss by one tick, and this is the first that’s gets it all right for me. Just a perfect combo for so many of us
Oh my, that John B album is outstanding. Playing on Atom/Fyne F1-5 combo. Sounds ace! Cheers :)
Hi John. Thanks for the review voor also for the tips om Holly Cole and Ben Salter. 👍👍👍
I love the music suggestions / recommendations as much as the review. 👍🏾
Informativ und interessant wie immer. Dankeschön aus dem Süden.👍
Today I bought the Model 40n and a pair of KEF LS50 Meta. I (side by side) compared it in the shop to the KEF LS50 Meta Wireless 2 with the Reset the Preset album from Console. It was a tough decision. In the end I like the sound a little bit more (warmer and more well rounded) and I think its always a good idea to have a seperate AMP if you have the space. I still have my KEF R400b here. I may use it with the new setup. Thank you for the video Mr. Darko. :)
Do you like the 40n with the KEFs? What size is your listening room?
If you are using Roon, I'd recommend just using the RHEOS plug in until full roon support is added by marantz. This adds high res audio for all devices with heos.
Mate, I love your style (your glasses and your videos) and you made my day today. I left Berlin in 2008 and had to leave my Stereoanlage behind. Only recently my living situation changed making it possible to get into it again. That's how I came across your videos. The thing I got a little emotional about is the introduction to Ben Salter. I love his music and he will be playing at the Petersham Bowling Club 300m down the road in November. I'm pretty sure the Hitzewelle will be guaranteed for this one too. Thanks John
Sounds...by your description and excellent choice. And John your descriptive attitude is always as close to perfect as one might get. And dare I say it not unlike the Marantz being a bridge as you weave your way from system analysis qualities and topology.
To answer your question about the HP filter for the sub, it's because some people run a standard power amp for their sub/s that don't have any functionality built in.
I’m digging the album recommendation to start each of your videos. My taste is a bit different but quality music is quality music and I welcome stuff I have never heard, which can be hard to come by. 🍻
What am I missing? What about a decent AVR for a quarter of the price? If you want 2 channel, just connect front L and R and specify it in the settings. Likewise for 2.1 or 5.1 if you want to listen to multi channel SACDs. For example the Yamaha RX-V6A has all the things (phono stage, room correction, 32bit, DSD, pure direct, Tidal Deezer Qobuz Spotify and local network streamer, Airplay 2, musiccast multiroom, control app on phone, 100w output, massive volume knob) as well as extra channels if you want them or not if you don't. I never see comparisons of HDMI integrated 2 channel amps and AVRs.
I went from an Onkyo TX-SR705 AVR 7.1 @ 100w 2 channels playing and now I have a Marantz PM8006 80w intergraded amp. And listening to music the Marantz destroy’s the Onkyo in sound quality and dynamic’s I don’t know why it sounds so much better but it does. It could be the toroidal transformer in the Marantz over the switching power supply in the Onkyo that makes the big difference.
I have a pair of Boston Acoustics and a pair of Mordaunt Short bookshelf speakers hooked up to my Cambridge Audio amplifier. I did take away the Mordaunt Shorts for a while to see if I got more focus and soundstage, but I’ve gone back to the four speaker set up in the end. I missed the blend of the aluminium tweeter and punchier bass on the Mordaunts with the more laidback soft dome tweeter on the Bostons. They are both 8 ohm speakers and pretty easy to drive, so the amp is never under undue strain. The extra speakers also add body and volume in my large, high-ceiling living room and they sound just right to me.
This seems similar to my Marantz PM8006 intergraded amp as far as power, for the digital end a have a Node 2i and an Oppo 203 with mod’s connected to a Arcam irDac with an external sBooster liner power supply. Sounds really nice
I believe it is the amp section of the pm 8006 with double the output transistors which in theory should give it higher current capacity. I love my older pm8004 and I am torn on if I should get the 40n or add a streamer to my 8004.
I like the look of the older model better and the insides look similar at half the cost, I’m very satisfied with my PM8006.
Love your channel / effort 🤓 🥂
It’s a real shame that Roon wasn’t included in 2022. It’s becoming a deal breaker for many, if it’s not included in a streaming integrated.
Airplay 2 can work, but is not ideal.
The Hegel H120 would be an appropriate competitor, albeit missing a phone stage.
maybe the LPF is so you can more precisely control the sub from the listening position via remote. should add to a more accurate setting. would be better if there were gradients between the frequency settings. maybe redundant, but I think it probably adds a little functionality. If you went with an excellent monoprice monolith sub, you wouldn't have an app to control the LPF. feature really comes in handy then.
Hi, I want to ask if 40n is a good match with KEF LS50meta? would 70w be too low to drive the speaker well?
Just bought The Cat. Love Gareth. Thank you
In the US, the 40n and M10v2 are now the same price. With that, would you still lean in the direction of the 40n if it was your money? Thanks!
Hey!!!!! He said alopecia. OBVIOUSLY that was aimed at Jada as she now OWNS the word. Careful buddy or you may get the hand ✋️ from Sir WILL.
Btw going to give the 40n a try, been debating on which all in 1 to go with. Whats up with the dac though? Is it any good? Was that glossed over, did I just miss it?
Hi John. Alan here from Ireland. I’m actually a big fan of your videos and your podcast. I love that you give recommendations on actual music. Without you I’d have never discovered Future of the left for example! I have the Marantz PM7000n and love it. Unfortunately this hifi disease we have wants me to upgrade to new the model 40! In terms of functionality it seems identical. It’s twice the price and I am really looking for an excuse to upgrade. Please tell me that it’s way better than the Pm7000n. Thanks for all the good work and look forward to your next upload and podcast. Alan
Nice video, as always :-). About the remote; I bet it is the same that came with my Denon SACD player, but in another case.
You had me at Aztec Camera
It was 40 C here in Missouri today. It's been like this all week and it's hell. A lot of Germans settled here because they thought it resembled their homeland.
Hello John, I've spotted that you have polish settings (next to DE and ENG) at your phone on keyboard. Does it mean that you know or speak polish at some level?
Pole here
Nice to know it works with drum n bass. Not enough reviews include my music of choice. Props for mentioning and frying John b. All my drum n bass is on wax. Already have rega illicit r, monitor audio silver 2, 2 technics 1200 mk5 and the blusound node. But considering upgrading some parts. Would the marantz be a side step or upgrade? I was thinking of speaker upgrade first
hm, I just want old school quality. I did an audio inventory today and discovered I have 7 cassette decks
Not Roon Ready, no Qobuz integration. Not ticking enough boxes.
I call that button on the remote the ”Bieber Button“
Great review John. One of your best I think despite the odd use of words like “Cerebral” 🤣🤣🤣
Keep up the good work for the community. 👍🏻
And G’Day from another expat still down under, If you can slip in why you left I’d be interested…👍🏻
Thanks for the video! Few questions if you can please answer: I have RT85 connected with Klipsch The Fives. I'm looking to upgrade my stereo system, and first I was thinking about Klipsch The Sevens, but I would like to listen to CDs too and also to be able to connect to the TV . 1. What you recommend to buy between Marantz Cinema 70 and Marantz 40n? which one has a better phono stage and works better with a CD player? Is the $1500 difference between them worth to go with 40n? I'm ok spending $2500 for the 40n if it makes more sense. (I'm not watching a lot of movies or playing games). 2. Is Marantz CD 60 the best match with 40n, or works ok with Cinema 70? 3. What bookshelf speakers you recommend up to $2000 ($2500) per pair? (I have a Klipsch Reference R-10SW 10" 300w Powered Subwoofer and I was hinking about Klipsch 600M II to match the subwoofer, but I'm ok spending more for better quality or better match with Marantz). 4. Can I replace (after 1000 hours) the 2 M Blue with the 2m Bronze cartridge on my RT 85? Thank you very much!
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Dear , always great produced videos of high interest. Being my knowledge of electronic music very limited I find myself enjoying the music that you select for your videos a lot. Is there any way to identify it? Do you have any playlist?
I'm pretty sure he only shares the playlists with his patreons
The lack of Roon Ready via ethernet is a deal killer for me. I am a Roon enthusiast. Does Marantz have any plans to get the 40n Roon Ready via ethernet?
I bought a Model 50, same power, same appearance, completely analog, which is better because I'm not married to DAC and HEOS, so I can choose digital partners 😊
How do you like it? Rich, warm? Dynamic like people say? I have a PM8005 I need to upgrade
@@fhaquuu Beautiful dynamic, great punch, lots of details, loud listening is stable and controlled. It has a warm sound whit great phono preamp and last but not least super headphones output that can run almost every headphones, so I dont like it I LOVE it....hope I help
The Model 40n is around €2000 in our local HiFi shop. While the Model 50 is around €1800. I think I would pick the Model 40n because it is Made in Japan while the Model 50 is in Vietnam. Not to mention the 40n has a separate dac, streamer, analog connection and hdmi. I think I can get more bang for my buck with the Model 40n for a €200 price difference. It has the same sound profile anyway so no contest for me.
Loved the review and the unit but the cost brought me back to reality it would be $3500 CDN!
I really thought he was going to pull out some Heatwave and get that Groove Line going.
Just a thought on your question about “redundancy” of low pass filter for sub output: there must be more than a few users beside myself who are using passive subs powered by separate power amps without onboard filtering or even level controls. In my own case, that’s in the context of a HT surround receiver where extensive DSP horsepower is available.
In at least one of your previous presentations you were effusive about “future-fi” products such as, say the KEF LS60, which pack as much componentry and functionality into a single cabinet as the engineers can achieve with whatever the current technology allows, but there can be downsides to that - long term reliability and ease of repair certainly included. After hearing tales from a buddy who’s been an installer / repair tech at a local hi-fi shop for over 30yrs of the in-availability of repair parts for plate amps in name brand subs that amazingly (?) seldom seem to fail within replacement warranty periods requiring either kludging together of aftermarket products, or replacing with a new piece, that’s one area where I’m now likely to stick with separate boxes.
MQA is absent 😢for me, it is not good enough
I'm extremely close to purchasing the 40n. I would love to hear your opinion about its pairing with LS50 Metas and KC62.
he already did videos on them
I have this exact combo since the release of the 40n and I'm super happy.
I'm driving a sub with it and well though, so that choice may or may not also influence your decision.
Well not exactly, because I drive a different, cheaper sub form Q-acoustics.
With my room size and layout the kc62 wasn't a reasonable choice for my listening position.
My musical choices are similar to John's, wit a bit more heavy metal.
I'm not anywhere close to the amounts of systems heard as John does, but my opinion is that he gave the perfect review about a product that I own, because I would sign this script in a heartbeat.
About the combination of the two: my room is rather small, I wanted to upgrade my sound, and downsize the amount of devices.
I am super happy and have the feeling that I have a zero compromises set for now.
I hope that was of any help.
Kindest regards, K
@@g-mail4743 but not paired to the 40n. Since he's familiar with those speakers and sub I'd like his opinion on how they might sound with the 40n. So no, he hasn't done that.
@@kayurbach5182 thank you. I have a small space so the integrated aspect is attractive to me and I'm a big Marantz fan. I also like the KEF combo for my space. The phono and headphone support is more important to me than the streaming.
True. Id take his response on the sound profile of the 40n and then what he said about the LS50 meta sound profile then imagine how the combination sounds, but they are both balanced products and should sound really good togeather. There are some sound demos on youtube you can listen to and compare the sounds of products and get an idea. You will have to use neutral headphones and amp. My experiences with the sound demos on youtube aligned with having the products in my listening room.
Look mom, no class D.
A man of culture ❤
And how does marantz compare with the routel m11 tribute?
Hi. For your two reviews of the M 40n, the many comments on the internet and of course for the quality of the brand, I am convinced that the 40n model is one of the best HiFi audio options (price - quality ratio).
But it's too expensive for many local economies, where $500+ audio equipment is already considered a luxury.
I have the Marantz NR1200 and my amplification priority is listening to vinyl records, with this preamble:
Would buying a Phono Preamp be a good alternative to upgrade my NR1200 or would none of that compare to buying the 40n model?
Which one would you choose between this Marantz Model 40n vs. Yamaha 700G ?
HEOS is junk, I have it on my PM7000n, if I want to use anything other than spotify, I have to reset the modem use tidal for instance, if i want to change to tunein, I have to reset the modem again, and that doesn't always work either. It's the only let down for an otherwise brilliant sounding amp
I considered buying a Marantz streaming amp a couple of years ago, but I noticed every review for HEOS in the android app store was 1 star. Every review was from a frustrated user, saying HEOS was a streaming pile of horse s#%t. That was the deal breaker for me, I took my money elsewhere.
I have had (then sold for other reasons) the Denon pma-150h with Heos, never encountered a single problem honestly.
But still is a limited system since doesn't support mqa, tidal connect, and qobuz. I'd rather have bought a 40n without streaming and a Bluesound node with the same money, if this was possible.
HEOS needs an update before it can be really useful. Terrible AMHD UI refuses to see any of your saved playlists. :(
Yes.. I have the pm700n. Heos is atrocious. It's an embarrassment to put it on my 1k system let alone a 2.5k system..
It looks like the new Rotel S14 is a better option for streaming with a bit more power on paper for the same price.
I wonder if the Rotel will ever become available in UK .
What about the app? Maranta HEOS will continue to be refined. This area is where the big companies always have the advantage.
All I’ve heard is bad things about this rotel product unfortunately
No Tidal Connect, no eArc. I also don't understand why you can't add room correction to a stereo amplifier, when much cheaper home theater amplifiers have one? Manufacturers' own streaming platforms are also completely pointless. Tidal Connect, Spotify Connect, Airplay, Chromecast and bluetooth are perfectly fine.
Is that a clamp on the P8? Dont Rega highly advise to use one?
I see you make no mention to the tone control knobs it has. For me it's a big plus: I listen to lots of mediocre recordings, and I use them to mitigate the mess, basically. If you are after tone controls as I am, there any very few options on the market, and this is one.
I have a Marantz SR5014 and after a few hours of use it will get very hot, reaching 39 C.
Does the 40n get this hot?
If it only would have parametric EQ and Delay Options (like Lyngdorf TDAI1120) or at least preout to couple with a dsp...
Can I hook it up to the cinema 70 to get the best stereo sound for vinyl and cds but also get great 5.1 or 7.1 Surround sound. If so how does that work. Long winded questions I know sorry.
Can you review HiFi Rose RS 150B?
What is the advantage of a streamer/streaming amplifier compared to hooking up a phone or tablet to your amplifier through Bluetooth?
A lot of enthusiasts would say that Bluetooth degrades the sound quality, even at highest settings like aptx or whatever it's called. They'd use their phone/tablet as a remote for another source rather than as the source itself. The other (less convenient) option is plug a usb dongle DAC into the tablet and run an analogue audio cable to the amp. That's potentially higher quality.
This might be a dumb question buy honestly im kind of clueless when it comes to this stuff. I have an Anthem mrx540. I have an external anthem amplifier , mca 20, hooked up to it. I only use this for stereo music with my Paradigm Founders 100F. I only stream music via googlecast with my Tidal music app. Would I benefit from getting the Marantz 40N and use it instead? Again sorry for the dumb question but Im just a bit confused.
Basically asking if a streamer with Tidal support will sound better than using Chromecast to send Tidal to a system. I don't think you can answer without listening. Either way, you don't need this Marantz. A dedicated streamer connected to your current system MAY improve the sound. This Marantz has DAC/preamp/amp that you already have. Chromecast streams CD quality (I think) so you may not hear any improvement even if you could get technically a higher bitrate stream into your system. Unless you like messing with things just for fun, I wouldn't worry that you are losing any sound quality with your current setup.
I have a Novatron Cocktail Audio X-45. One can use its ARC HDMI port to show on a external screen what is shown on its own LCD screen. Does this apply to Marantz N40's HDMI ARC port as well?
That cocktail unit is a pretty sweet streamer.
Lack of USB DAC killed it for me.
Why would you need one??
@@srijithview to listen music and watch movies from the PC?
I'm in two minds about that. DACs become outdated way quicker than amps. In ten years the integrated DAC is long obsolete and can't be sold/repurposed. I went for a dongle DAC so I can swap it whenever. Still no intention of replacing my 20 year old amp though.
Hello my question is I need a new Amp for my Avangarde Acustik uno from 2002
So this amp can be a silution or net thanks for you help regards
Does anyone know if Marantz 40n support Dynaudio Evoke 20, and will that be a good or weak setup?
I want to use the setup for both music and TV.
Good review. But if you like Roon (and Qobuz) and don’t use vinyl I prefer Hegel H120.
You mean from a functional point of view? Or have you also heard the Marantz and Hegel side by side?
@@DarkoAudio from a functional point of view. If specs do not match the needs I don’t consider or listen to it.
@@DarkoAudio Thanks for mentioning my comment John in your respond video about the Marantz 40N. Next time I wil explain more what I mean when I respond to your reviews. Love your channel by the way! Greetings from the Netherlands. Ronald
Hi, does this model or PM8006 have motorised volume control?
My guess is the 40n does not. It's equipped with a 100-step electronic volume control. So there is no actual motor that turns the volume control. But you can change the volume up or down via the remote. The PM8006 also has an electronic volume control.
In my city, we will be hovering around 36c all week with the humidity staying above 60%. A great time to stay indoors.
I've just had a thought on future fi. Many of the features that these amps are touting, HDMI eARC, Airplay, Wireless Networking, room correction, etc, have been on your basic AVR for years. It seems like HiFi is being designed for the main living space again rather than the dark and dank listening room. HiFi is merging elements of home theater to bring the whole family in on the fun. Or maybe this is just a reflection of the influx of hifi fiends from the HT boom of the Mid 90s growing up. Either way, I see it as a positive myself.
You had me at Aztec Camera
I have the 40n paired with a kc62 sub and Zu Omen Dirty Weekend 2’s… it is awesome in my room and it amazes visitors the way you can hear things in songs you may have not heard before and how it sounds like the artist is in the room with you. HEOS is ok and functional, but I am not a ROON user so I have only used HEOS.
My wishes for a Marantz 40n Special Edition version of this amplifier.
1. Copper plating inside like other Special Editions.
2. 100 watts into 8 ohms. 140 or more into 4 ohms.
3. ESS 9038 Pro DAC.
3. The MM/MC phono preamp used in the Marantz Model 30
4. Roon Ready
5. Tidal Connect and MQA
6. Two HDMI inputs
7. HEOS to finally include Qobuz
8. Midrange tone control like the PM8006 has.
When it comes to audio equipment, bigger and heavier typically more expensive. I love my Marantz 40n. It's built like a tank, sounds absolutely amazing.
Best part is the Marantz has retained bass/treble tone controls for old fashioned guys like me.
Where would the Lyndorf tdai 1120 fit in your opinion, to the 40n, Nad M10, Naim Atom. And why?
I'm currently deciding between these 4 as a minimilist long term all in one . The Lyndorf 1120 is so far at the top for me due to the Room Correction. As I have an odd shaped listening room I believe this will help it stand out above the others.
But all seem to have their own unique features.
Thanks.
Out of interest did you ever make a decision?
Darko, you look healthy. keep it up.
Thanks for the great comparison John. Dealing with the opposite of a heatwave here in the antipodes, record floods. Unfortunately pricing is also reversed - the marantz 40n is $500 NZD dearer than the Naim Uniti Atom and a whopping $1000 dearer than the NAD m10v2. In Australia looks like the 40n is priced the same as the NAD. So maybe the 40N isn't the best value in all places !?
Whilst i do like a screen for artwork i think a better option is just having a stand for your ipad/tablet displaying the now playing artwork direct from the app. Why every amp that has a good old fashioned tactile volume knob shuns touchscreens baffles me.
Owning the M10, I can tell you that I rarely use the unit's volume control. I use it only literally in passing. I did try out the Naim Uniti Star, but passed on it as the only thing that it had that the NAD didn't was that volume control, lovely as it is. The Naim's CD ripper failed as often as it didn't - a known issue. The NAD has *many* more features, including home integration, Dirac, the Bluesound software, judicious tone controls and frequent firmware updates. As a matter of fact, they recently added a balance control. That's no small thing. And it all *works*.
Central Florida is hot! HOT! HOT!
I admire your ability to communicate the intricacies and differences.
The ability of the Marantz to modify a passive sub appeals to me.
Hi John. You have been teasing us with the Rega P8 in the background of your videos for some time now. Will you be reviewing it for us anytime soon?
Also, I noticed in this video you had a metal puck on top. Does that puck make the records sound better in your opinion?
Sorry, Mark (and everyone else) but I won't be reviewing the Rega. I have nothing to compare it to. And I don't have a second 2M Black, nor the skills to move it from one 'table to the next swiftly and accurately enough to make any comparison reliable. Furthemore, I know from past experience that even when I say *explicitly in the video title* that I am comparing this table with this cart to this other table with this other cart, the vinyl grumpies turn up in droves to point that I'm not comparing tables unless I use the same cart on both. 🤦🏻♂
I really want to like this Marantz but I really just don't have a need for all the streaming stuff. I'd rather they put all that money into the amplifier section. I also really don't like the build on this amp. I played around with one at a shop and there's so much plastic and bad knob feel for the price they are asking. The Denon pma 1700ne seems to be a better value for someone more analog - oriented. More power, much better build, and about $500 cheaper.
Well, it is the same brand. Two different approches so they wont't cannibalize each other.
You are 100% right
I agree 100%. I have the Marantz model 30 and just picked up the Denon PMA 1600ne. The 1700 ne is the newer model. I prefer to have a separate source for streaming.
Sorry to sound grumpy but if you're not into streaming why on earth is this product on your radar, and if it's not, why bother criticizing them for making it? There are literally dozens of standard integrated amps out there to choose from in the price bracket, and the simple fact is that more people want a streaming-in-the-box solution. I do get the Henry Ford "if I asked the people what they wanted they'd have said "faster horses" " reasoning that companies shouldn't always just build what the unwashed masses ask for, but I don't really feel it applies to the rarefied world of audio.
How does this stand up agains the NAD 3050!!!?!
Did the Alopecia album have, uh, “slapped” bass?
Rock on TimLee
I enjoy your reviews quite a bit. I value the opinion of many reviewers but I recently went against the grain a bit. I purchased an Arcam SA30. I have been enjoying it immensely. HDMI, good phono stage, Roon, Airplay, Chromecast and high biased class A power. Plus it displays bit rate. It’s been an eye opening experience.
do you prefer the Cambridge audio evo 150?
That is interesting the 40N doesn't high-pass the mains through a DSP by choice but allows low-pass on the sub. Sub integration is a bit of an art typically with use of delays but more importantly phase (of course phase is time and time is phase). So through the crossover region there will typically be a natural roll-off on smaller mains. I'd imagine the best integration would be matching the sub low-pass to that natural roll-off on the mains, but measuring to verify they are in-phase in that crossover region. Easily measurable with something like room eq wizard for someone who knows how to do it. Quick test if possible would be flipped phase on the sub and play tone at crossover region but that's a whole topic in itself. GREAT review as always Sir.
Your correct! It doesn’t make sense. Marrantz’s Manuel says it sets the low pass filter for the subwoofer output. The output audio signal has a lower frequency than the set value 40 Hz / 60 Hz / 80 Hz / 100 Hz / 120 Hz (Default: 80 Hz) This is telling me that if I set what Marrantz calls a low pass filter 60 Hz my sub will play anything below 60 Hz. Now I’m wondering what happens to the signal to my speaker? Does it cut off any signal below my setting of 60 Hz to the speakers which would make this a high pass filter not low pass. Or will the speakers continue to play full range? It doesn’t make sense that this amp would be solely designed for passive subs and even if it was a high pass filter would definitely be beneficial. 🤔🤪
No, speakers will still be full range. Purpose of this setting is to set the crossover frequency of the sub on the amp instead of on the sub itself, for a more accurate and better setting.
Generally, in a stereo setup, speakers are always made run full range, the sub is only to compliment the lower part of the spectrum.
I contacted Marantz from USA, they said it works as both hpf and lpf
@@d723333 is this verified? This is also my question
Hi! Excellent video! As always! Question. There’s a reason why you didn’t use the Cambridge audio evo 150 on your comparison? This it does have mm input and a decent headphone amplifier. Thanks!
The NAD C399 brings more to the party for the same (or less) money - but is class D. Couldn't decide.
I'm having the same debate between the two. Class D but Direc and BluoS (from what I understand is a better experience) vs Class AB, and much better looks in the 40N. *Pulls hair out* halp
@@Fabr1kat0r which speakers are you all running?
Happy I got the arcam sa30 on heavy discount. You can get them as “B-stock” very easily because most buyers have a hissy fit when they discover it has a major software quirk with the remote not being able to turn the unit on…. After purchase, once you restart it like 10 times while doing software updates, just ignore the remote and fully integrate it to your network via ethernet and hdmi 2.1 and you don’t even use the remote anymore. I haven’t had a problem with it since the first couple days I bought it.
Great review. The HEOS app works but thats all. It needs serious interface and functionality improvements. The app leaves me searching for an alternative. The advance settings you refer to need to move to the remote app (that is basic but works). Both apps are ok but they are kinda only halfway there and Marantz either need to truly dive in to making them work well or allow alternative options perhaps a third party. I also think its time for Marantz to add larger screens to display information. I know its untraditional but the reality is if you need your phone to run an app to make the amp work you need a screen.
Nice Job Darko ! Thanks For the video.
I own 3 Marantz amps' 2270/8006/1403 and been owning them since 1992 2265b I though about having Tees made for me channel 25/193 😆 😆Still loving your music list on Spotify Appricate you darko i actually heard the 40n without hearing the 40n lol Kickass review !
The Naim and the NAD will never be in my listening room. I prefer the traditional look and feel. Plus that volume knob on the top of the Naim is just a poor design location in my point of view. The Marantz on the other hand is very appealing. Now if it only had 100+ watts of power. Thanks again!
It has 100W in 4ohm
This review brings up a very interesting question that I've been asking myself lately. What is better, using components you love without room correction or getting a setup with well integrated DSP even if it's not your first choice of DAC/amplification. In other words, do the benefits of DSP outweigh the benefits of a sweet sounding DAC/amp. How much can your brain overcome the inherent coloration created by your room acoustics?
I think my room sounds pretty decent but there is no acoustic treatment (other than rugs and furniture). I can also tell that the room definitely has some problems in the low end department and that room correction would probably tighten up the bass a lot. I really love my combination tube integrated amp and Ares II DAC, and REL sub, and there's no elegant way to integrate DSP into my setup. Hypothetically, in a blind test, what would I enjoy more, the sweet sound of my current setup or the corrected sound of a future-fi setup? I think it's a really interesting dilemma.
Trust your ears my tip is make the room properly aired , it's good for the highs ,& lows , it's called hemisphere , which has an effect on the ambience!!!
Why no Tidal Connect.
Marantz produce some excellent products. I own the HDac 1. Great headphone amp too!
Me and a friend found the more expensive Naim Uniti Atom to be more bang for the buck in the end after quite a few hours of testing both. The Naim sounded better with all of the speakers we tried (Focal Kanta 2, GamuT Phi 5 and Paradigm Persona 3F). We thought the Marantz had a sibilant or sharp tinge of some sort that we just couldn't come to terms with. The Marantz is undoubtedly good value for the money with all the functions, but I'd suggest to anyone interested in a streamer/amp combo in the Model 40n price range to strongly consider checking out the Naim Uniti Atom as well even if it is a 30% price increase.
Excellent review, thank you.
Super integrated review request: I have become very interested in the c399 recently and would love you to get your hands on it.
Sort of by accident I think I’ve realized it could be the best amplifier in this super competitive ‘streaming super integrated’ segment, as long as you don’t care about size. One issue I have with the m10 is it’s poor analogue input (this has been noted by multiple reviewers), and as someone who is 50/50 streaming/vinyl, this is irksome. Is the c399 a better, more powerful/fully featured/analogue friendly version of the m10 for less? I’d love for you to tell us!
I kinda missed a comparison to the TDAI 1120, nevertheless, a great video as always!
Yep. The little Lyngdorf often gets overlooked. I know John likes it though, but surprised he didn't mention it in passing. It has a very good MM phono stage too, but no headphone socket.
@@mrpositronia i bought the TDAI 1120 based on John's review!
@@peymey me too, love it !