DO NOT BUY ANY KUBOTA PRODUCT I BOUGHT A NEW KUBOTA LX 4020 TRACTOR TO USE FOR A SNOW REMOVAL BUSINESS IN BRIAN HEAD, UT. I HAD TO PURCHASE FROM A DEALERSHIP IN COLORADO AS IT WAS THE ONLY KUBOTA DEALERSHIP WITHIN A 1000 MILE SEARCH TO HAVE THE TRACTOR I NEEDED FOR THE PURPOSE INTENDED. The Dealership, Wickham Tractor in Fort Collins, CO sold me the tractor and added Howes diesel treatment to the tank as well as selling me the remainder of the bottle to use to prevent the fuel from jelling. I Used as per specs. Tractor was purchased on 11/21/23 and I picked it up and transported it back to UT. Tractor was in operation for 17.2 hours before it would not start. Local Kubota dealerships said they would not come out to try to fix it as we did not buy it from them. Took it to Las Vegas, NV, as they were closest Kubota dealership, dropped off on 1/8/24 at 730 am. Kubota dealership said the fuel smelled funny so it wasn't covered under warranty and said $12000.00 plus to fix. The DPF was completely clogged and the only codes were low temp MAF sensor and no communication with EGR. Western area rep said there was no fuel to test because I drained it. This is a Lie. Had more than 6 gallons of fuel in it when i dropped it off. I have all the emails and correspondences and text messages, proving they denied coverage for adding a fuel additive. Sergio at Kubota customer service said, “When I put fuel in the tractor it voided warranty.” Apco, the Kubota dealership in Las Vegas, sent out the injectors for testing they came back as bad due to fuel contamination on 1/23/24. Kubota persisted in their point of me putting bad fuel in the Tractor. When I called the tester, I pressed about the fuel contamination. The person who did the test, said it was visible metal in the injectors that most likely came from the high pressure fuel pump. There was no metal in the fuel tank, fuel filter or fuel water separator. The dealership i bought the tractor from said they were the only ones that could help me at this point due to Kubota policy. Eddie at Wickham tractor told me I needed to bring the tractor back to them, 1367 miles round trip. and they would sell me a new one because I had broken this one. And would see about trying to fix the one I had already bought for a discount. I transported the tractor back to Greely, CO to Wickham on 1/18/24 they tested the fuel that was still in the filters and it came back as fine 2/8/24 so they were going to replace the entire engine. This could take between 3 to 9 months. My warranty coverage says all warranty work to be completed within 30 days. On 2/28/24 I found out there was internal Kubota Service Bulletin that came out to all the dealers the week before I bought the tractor stating the very problems my tractor was having. They knew this, and still denied coverage, and finally, when I presented this fraud to Kubota, on 3/7/24 Wickham tractor said they were going to replace the tractor with a new one, but wouldn't give me a timeline of when I would get a new one and I would have the expense of picking it up from them verses a local dealership. These delays have cost me my business and reputation to move snow I had to pay out my competitors and cancel and refund all my contracts. A service bulletin for this tractor was issued before I bought it stating this very problem. and it was to be fixed at Kubotas expense. They knew the problem existed, they tried to blame it on me for adding fuel supplement, they tried to coerce me into buying a new tractor on top of the broken one so i didn't lose my business. they refused to cover the cost of repair until i proved their fraud, and intent by pushing the narrative and then changing and deleting emails. I have all emails and correspondence showing the timeline, the fraud and intent.
Thanks for the video. We love our MX5400. It gets used every workday (we bought it in 2022 and it already has 900 hours on it). 0% financing, unbeatable insurance policy, and an incredible service department. Since we use it in our business, we can't afford break downs, because they will cost us far more than the repair cost. It moves a lot of weight everyday. We attached logging tongs to the 3 point hitch. It has lifted and dragged 6,000 pound logs. When you purchase this tractor, you are getting more than a tractor. You are getting the whole Kubota ecosystem and support structure behind it. Based on our experience with the machine, it is worth every penny.
The loader number is kilograms for Kubota. 2347 lbs for that tractor you reviewed. There is beauty in simplicity! Treadle pedal for LIFE!! Looking good in that shirt, brother!
I purchased my first tractor last year (L2502) Kubota has the best build quality and best customer service IMO, two things that made it much easier to make my decision
we bought a 49hp l4760 and had its first job of pulling big school bus full of students out of a ditch through the winter wich it was a strong little beast plus useing it clearing sidewalks
My grandpa bought Kubota when I was a kid, a Kubota b9200 which was the first I had seen the hydrostatic transmission and that tractor is still in the family and has never skipped a beat. I tried hard to buy it from my cousin but he refused and that’s how I ended up with a L2850. I’m willing to bet both will out live me.
I worked for Kubota at one time as a tech. I can say over other brands we serviced Kubota had less pushback for warranty. Basically take pics write a report, and order replacement parts / install. It was really easy and we didn’t have to fight for the customer. However you pay for all that. I went to an LS dealer near me due to your videos on them, and no one in the dealership could answer any technical questions for me they were digging through pamphlets the whole time. I’m not knocking them as i think they are new at carrying LS. With that said I wouldn’t buy a new Kubota id look at auctions and buy there, these days I don’t spend top dollar and usually don’t finance anything. Looking good Brock, your looking a lot healthier you can even hear it in your voice. Good stuff man.
Consider buying used. I got a m6040 which is a 60hp Kubota with cab, preemissions that runs perfectly for $30k. Pre-emissions. It will probably last forever…
Thought about that, but didn't care to buy someone else's problems, which is typically what you will be buying....same as used cars....they're selling it because they have a problem with it in many cases and are tired of dealing with it....or they bought it and quickly realized it was the wrong size, not enough power, etc. So I went ahead and just bought a new machine, and this was during the plandemic so I had to wait a month to get my machine, and there wasn't a single used machine anywhere to be had either. You really don't save much buying used, at least in the Kubota world....they hold their value really well, as does John Deere...so it may not pay to buy used LOL.
I bought my first new tractor last year. I purchased a LX2610 with a loader, belly mower and box blade. I’ve since added a grapple because I bought a unit that had a third function already installed. I don’t regret a single thing about my purchase and I’m aware it was on the pricey side, but you can’t beat the reliability and service. And the thing just sips diesel. I like the treble pedal, it helps to have size 12 boots or larger for it to really be easy to use. You’d be very happy with the MX, but if I were you I’d see what they have available in their Grand L series.
Thank you for this information! This is a smaller model than I think I need but I am tractor shopping and needed to hear that Kabota is a quality machine.
The Kubota loader model number is the kg that it will lift to full height. While not exact, multiply this by 2.2 to get a very close conversion to weight in pounds. I have a BX24 & L5030. I’m constantly amazed at what my BX does-especially the backhoe. I frequently use it to unload logs from my trailer. I have the L5030 for two specific reasons: lifting and moving IBC totes of firewood, and grapple usage (predominantly trees). I use an outdoor wood boiler for heating my house, so I’m constantly working with firewood.
Great series on the "real world" shopping for a 50-ish hp cab machine! Been shopping myself in this exact category... When you're down to the final decision, I find a LOT can be learned about quality and longevity looking at "old inventory" or testing "used" machines in my target category sitting on the dealer lots to see how the valves and drivetrain "feel" after use. Good to visit another dealer in the brand as well to cross-check. Rusting fittings, fading and/or lots of chalky plastic surfaces tell a lot about how that shiny new machine is going to hold up.
Some of that stuff also tells you about the previous owner(s)....the lack of maintenance, keeping the machine sitting out in the weather, etc. Not necessarily an issue with the manufacturer but an owner/operator problem instead LOL. I've seen a lot of new(er) machines that look like they were used in the destruction derby, while a 20 year old machine still looked new....its all in how the machine is cared for.
Brock, I bought a Kubota MX5400 gear drive open station with 3 rear remotes third function backhoe with a 18” bucket 3 sets of wheel weights and rim guard in the rear tires and block heater. I bought it one year ago. The dealer is only 4 miles away and I have known the owner for years. He gave me a fantastic price 55,000 . I love the tractor. It works great for me.
I have a 2020 MX6000 Cab and a 22’ 1025R. Love both tractors the Kubota is more reliable over 300 hrs with 0 issues. The Deere has broke down more than once with only 110 hrs.
After putting 20 hours on my B26 backhoe with the 24/25 hp it runs stronger the longer you run it without stopping in the middle of a work day. Was able to put it through some quick runs with loader filling bucket completely as well putting it through some heavy drags with a heavy loads of dirt and gravel under a torque at slow speeds was grading gravel and top soil over a 1/4 acre area. Then took out and dug a 6’ deep 12’ dia. Fire pit with in minutes dug through tough Ga red clay with easy and yes it rained two days before all of this work happened. Kubota is number one for me and koyote and Deer are my second yet you showed the other brand yanmar and it probably tops second above koyote and deer but a buddy told me the koyote is similar to Kubota with heavier lift capabilities. Idk I just know I’m loving my B26 and I’m definitely not disappointed. Thanks for sharing bud and enjoy hearing your thoughts on these larger tractors. My next one will probably be a bigger thought before investing so much.
I think for most folks as you said about the Stihl, it's a lifetime purchase. Pick a brand you like that has a dealer close by that are reliable whether you buy new or used. My Deere dealer is 35 minutes from my house. Never changing from Deere. Multiple brands have been in and out of the formerly Kubota dealership down the street. Glad I went Green .
I would not sway from John Deere, kubota, or kioti in my opinion. My parents have a mid 2000’s Kubota that’s around 1200 hours. I did a service for them recently. It was 750 hours overdue for a service and the last time the air/fuel/oil had been changed was 2005. Zero issues other than dry rotting since 2003. My L2501 has been flawless and same with my kx040. I like that they use their own motors as well
Is you are buying a new 50 hp tractor how do you get past the extra $28,000 on the price tag? Who is to say the other brands aren’t as good. They are not not small companies and they are not new to building tractors
I own that exact tractor. 450 trouble free hours. They are expensive. But you gotta weigh the price vs the headache of lower quality brands. The price difference has grown significantly in the last few years although. They are getting to a point where they may price themselves out of most people’s price range. I plan on keeping mine for years to come
I love my kubota but if I were looking to purchase a tractor today I would go with something else that was less expensive with the extra hydros. I don't why kubota doesn't come standard with the extra hydros.
Absolutely 110% for kabuta they stand by the warranty iv owned m 7060 open and closed cab tractors currently own cab mx 5400 also lx 3310 plus z42 zero turn As a small farm you wont be disapointed as a big farm you wont be disapointed, also owned a case 75c and was not impressed at all with there 2 year warranty!! Also don't shy away from the mx5400 standard clutch they shift amazing smooth less whining! and for me has more torque!!
Brock, i purchased my first tractor 4 years ago, and it was a Kubota L2501. Excellent machine. Bug i find myself now owning a Kioti CK2610. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the Kubota, but I gained lift capacity with the loader and on the three point, and I would argue that i have a much more comfortable operator platform. I will admit that the hydraulic circuit in the Kubota was light years ahead of my Kioti with it's silky smooth dual function ability, but I'm not operating for a living. I got what I consider to be a comparable quality machine, with more capability, for $3500.00 less. Cannot go wrong with the Kioti brand.
I love Kabota and it's an American made company. That said, we have a small front loader. It is the most worthless piece of equipment. It has trouble limiting up an empty bucket and frequently cannot lift loads. Make sure your lifting power is adequate for your needs. However, it is reliable and never breaks down...
You are looking great - keep up the hard work. I'm on my own journey with this. Down a bit, backup up and working to get back down! I'm a Kubota guy (B2650). When I bought in 2017 I did a ton of research. I'm a fan of quality, reliability and integrated engineering (making their own stuff, using their own stuff within the same machine). There are several good alternatives which I could have bought and would have worked just fine. However, I found and still believe Kubota is like my Toyota vehicles in that they are simply the best. I may pay more - I'd argue this is too subjective to be a real issue. My support has been great though really not used. I damaged my front-end loader and rear fender. Filed a KTAC claim with my dealer. No questions, no pushback, no delays - paid my small deductible. Within 4-6 weeks they had installed a new loader and rear fender .... again, let me say that I was at fault. I didn't like the treadle pedal when I first got it. Now I find it very convenient. Wish I had a bit more space where my feet go as I have big feet. I'm considering upgrading to a L3902 or the L4060LE just cause I want a slightly bigger frame with more weight. That said, all I need is my B2650 .... it's a want, not a need.
Thank you for sharing your experience with Kubota Carnivore diet has been great for me. Dr Ken Berry on UA-cam is a wealth of knowledge if you are interested. He does hour long q&a videos that I listen to a lot while working
@@RockhillfarmYT Yes, I've been doing Keto-vore. When home it is mostly carnivore but while traveling which I do a lot it is Keto as it is easier to get a protein plus a dark green veggie like brussel sprouts or asparagus. Love Ken Berry plus a few others. Keep it up!
@BrickyardPowerMan well done. I lost 40 pounds fast and then didn’t lose anything for a month. Then I just started losing again without changing anything. I enjoy eating this way
After watching these comparison videos, I have to admit the new tractors have some advantages over my 1952 Ford 8N. For example, my 8N has a three point lift capability of 800 pounds, on a good day. But my little 8N does what I need it to do. Grades my gravel road, skids logs to the firewood cutting station, scoops dirt and gravel, and is easy to maintain. I could have purchased a 25 HP modern tractor, but I only put 50 hours a year on my tractor. The interest earned on the cost difference paid for the 8N in 36 months. Enjoying the videos, Brock. My advice is buy the lowest cost machine that will do what you need it to do. The savings will more than make up for any repair that might be necessary. All of the tractors you have reviewed are good machines.
@@RockhillfarmYT , Haha, I was not recommending you buy an 8N. I was just stating that a lower cost machine that does what you need a tractor to do is most likely your best option. The thousands of dollars in savings between the Kubota and a TYM, can be put to better use than paying that much extra for the brand name.
@jacklabloom635 right. I also just really do like the Ford Tractors. I’ve got the opportunity to use a few of them. Very cool antique look and many of them are still running 70+ years later.
Brock, great information on the Kubota. I think they are great machines. Just not for me. Like you said, everyone has to make there own decision for whats best for themselves. Thank you
While I do love a Kubota, my size 15 muck boots HATE a treadle pedal so I opt for gear drive every time. Give me dual pedals and I'm a much happier guy. :)
I have the MX 5100 same tractor just older gear drive . I love it very well made . The only thing I see an issue is the front hubs . They just don’t hold up over time . But it’s an easy fix . I do not like where the PTO switch is on the new 5400 .
Wow...I'm blown away at the prices of tractors nowadays! I paid 31K for that tractor (MX5800) in 2016. I know that was 8 years ago plus Covid but holy smokes!
Kubota also builds their own loaders in house also not just the physical tractor, part of why they say they are performance matched. I think one measurement that often gets lost in comparisons is the lift capacity to 1.5M. 90% of the people who buy or operate any equipment from CUT to CTL or even pay loader aren’t lifting 100% capacity to full height. Any machine that can lift 2,300 pounds or more to full height will lift 3k or more to 1.5M or even 2M. For most practical reasons that’s the number most people should pay attention to that will help them from spending way more on a machine than you really need. Even the bobcat salesman mentioned that in your video!
I think one of the reasons we're seeing the higher prices on a Kubota is because most of them are produced in America. To quote an article: "Kubota America produces more than 100,000 units every year at its Georgia facility. More than 2,300 employees work in Kubota America and make Kubota tractors for sale within the United States and beyond. Some of the Kubota tractors made in the Georgia facility are exported worldwide." They are, in fact, made 30 miles from me. And they're opening a new building soon called the Kubota Loader Manufacturing Facility.
Isn’t it sad that making something in America cost twice as much. Government interference is my answer to that. TYM makes a lot of their tractors in Georgia and Texas.
And yet they were til recently importing parts and rebranding made in USA by Kubota. Paid millions of $ in a civil lawsuit. Deceitful company, no thank you!
Ya, with Loaders made in USA With Supper cheepo "Chinese-ium Hydraulic Cylinders"....they are ALLL OVER my "kubogy MX5200 TLB "; constantly leaking down. My Massey-Ferguson Tractor hydraulic cylinders stay UP for Weeks.
I think with the smaller tractors, the pricing might not be as out of control. I have nothing negative to say about a Kabota tractor. Just trying to understand where the price difference comes from on the size I’m looking at.
One really should consider tractor residual value after some years of service. Re-sale value need not be the deciding factor, but it is a factor. Used tractor price checking on Marketplace will help drive home that point. Resale price gap may not totally off-set new OEM pricing between tractor brands, but it's helpful to know. In my area there's a large & reputable AG dealer that sells/services new/used farm equipment, mostly for dairy farmers. Much of what they deal in is very large harvest and manure handling equipment. They also sell new 'hobby' class tractors, mostly units 60hp and under. I'm a little bothered that they've switched between various imported tractor brands several times over the past 20yrs. I don't know if they've ever left their tractor buyers 'orphaned' when they switched tractor colors, but I would have that concern.
The other very important factor is the dealership and their service department. Regardless of brand, be careful who, you buy from. Sometimes spending more is worth it in the long run and sometimes spending less ends up a wise move as well.
Kubota does not sell the MX5400 in Australia, most probably because the Australian government has not imposed anti pollution requirements on tractors. I have a MX5200 which is what they sell here. I did not pan to buy this tractor. I wanted to buy a smaller machine. However when tractor shopping in 2021 this was the only tractor available. So we bought it. I like the big front wheels. Especially with the loader off the tractor looks good. I like its power and it’s smoothness. To be honest it did not cost much more than a smaller tractor when we bought it. We were planning to buy a smaller Mahindra tractor but the deal fell through for lack of supply. It cost I think $36k (this is Australian dollars so it costs more). We then bought the MX5200 for $10k more. However it’s a bigger machine, has two rear hydraulic remotes, a canopy and a 500kg counter weight.
Have you done anything with the RK equipment? The service part, as I understand it, doesn't thrill me. But maybe all models require you to take the machine to them.
Truly 17k financed over 5 years less than 300 a month in these comparisons, however it’s really not apples to apples comparison even when in the same category. They all deliver a bit different in their own way even in the same “category”. Something else to consider is not only longevity and reliability but the holding its value through the “centuries”…when time to sell if you do the Kubota will have a higher resale value than all others. Best wishes
I have looked at all of the TYM tractors up to the 574 and 5835. I have faith in the company Don’t know anything about the bigger models I think Evan from Country view acres on UA-cam has the 654
Where is this tractor that it’s so high? I just bought a new MX6000, added two rear remotes and 3rd function valve and price was $42,000 in MS. This tractor is $10,000 more and is the size below.
I want to upgrade my JD 1025r and have looked at the MX 5400 but dislike the skateboard treadle peddle. 😮 I think I could get use to the smaller 60 series peddle and the loader control… I like them on the fender and hate them up near the steering wheel.
Kubota and John Deere have weak loader lift capacity. They do that on purpose to encourage buyers to upgrade in tractor HP and frame size. I'm retiring to my farm in June and will be purchasing a TYM/ Branson 3620 with a 2700 lb fel capacity.
Kubota is the best. I’m getting an L3302. Can’t decide if I want the Backhoe attachment. Nothing touches the Kubota. I can’t believe how bad the John Deere compact tractors are. Getting a higher quality and higher capable machine for less money.
I like the Kubota I had, smooth operation,but didn't like the lift capacity or the Regen. I looked around and finally got a Mahindra. Lot less money and stronger than the Kubota. It's not as smooth operating as the Kubota, but that's a small price to pay. Also no Regen. I have had it for 5 years now and the only problem l have had 1 switch went bad. Might be worth taking a look at.
The prices I gave included a cab which is another $11,000. If yours is an open station, you got a really good deal. If it’s a cab, you got an amazing deal. I think they had this one priced at 41,000 without the cap
The MX is really in the utility class. Or between compact and utility. Is it a cat 1 or cat 2 three point hitch? Maybe it can come set up either way…? The grand L is a premium compact tractor. The L4802 is the basic compact, but has much less loader capacity. The price on the MX is more attractive than the high HP grand L tractors if you don’t need or want the bells and whistles. One thing about the high loader capacities on others - it’s one thing to have a winning spec sheet. It’s another to have a machine durable enough to handle that much load day-in-and-day-out. That kind of capacity can really stress the front axles and such, especially without proper ballast. I’m looking at new tractors too and I looked at the operator manual for a TYM 494 last week, and I thought it was lacking in several ways, particularly regarding discussion of ballast and max axle loads. The English wasn’t the best either. Kubota and Deere manuals are usually good and thorough, and dealer support is also usually strong.
That MX has the same Hp, the same size tires, same length and width, less lift capacity and it’s a hydrostat. Definitely fits in a comparison with the other compact models that I looked at
I would never buy a Kubota. My brother spent $60k + on a brand new Grand L (paid CASH, no financing). It took a while to get but when he called THE FACTORY to get a status, they yelled at him and hung up. When the tractor got in, they delivered it with stuff missing other than the back ordered back hoe. When the dealer got the PAID FOR back hoe in, they tried to DEMAND MORE MONEY. Watching how they treated my brother, I sure as heck won't give them my business. The same guy owns all the Kubota dealerships in Eastern Washington. I am going to keep telling this story because Kubota sucks.
Doesnt kioti measure lift at the pivot pins where as kubota measures it 500mm out or something like that? I recall this when researching the specs of the cheaper tractors. When i saw this, i immediately wrote them off. As an engineer, i need to have confidence in the specs to reflect real world scenarios.
I am pretty sure that they all measure it the same way. Sometimes you will get 2 sets of numbers Deere and Kubota just lift less than the competition. They do this on purpose. Nothing against them, just is what it is
You can price a 4052M john Deere right now and you should be a around 41-42 thousand. Some places has incentives going right now that will knock off a couple thousand. That's a tractor and loader.
Yeah, and that’s a lot better value. The thing about pricing is that I’m trying to compare the same Tractor at each brand and on all the other prices it’s been for a premium model with a cab. The 4052M is a better value but 4052R with a cab is a more fair comparison and it’s 60,000 Might be more likely to buy the 4052M but I didn’t get prices for the other tractors without a cab
Need to be careful with draw bar connected PTO powered equipment on the Kubota tractors. Kubota has the PTO output shaft too close to the draw bar - not enough vertical separation. TTWT ran into troubles with this in at least one video with a Kubota tractor.
If I recall, he was also using an implement that was way to big for the machine, but they release a lot of videos. But I agree, it’s much tighter then other brands.
Tim does have a tendency to push the limits of a machine, but he had a comparable John Deere model that accommodated it just fine Video people pushing the limits is not saying that you should do that every day but it’s finding out if you can
I think your pricing might be off a little. 3 weeks ago I purchased a MX5400, exactly like the one in your video. 38k. You have to shop different dealers. Kubota doesn't set the price the dealer does.
Did you get it with a cab? Every tractor compared in my video series was priced with a cab. This one I think was listed at 41,000 the way it sat or 52,000 with the cab. or 63,000 if you want it in the premium model.
Awesome job on this one, Id share this, to make a point, lets do Mahindra, vs Kubota.. ( for big contrast ) you may pay more for the Mahindra over time, than the Kubota, with repairs. That is kind of my paradigm. If I pay more up front, and the equipment never fails ( as in needing dealer service ), that value can be transferred, from the other paradigm of parts and labor spent on a less well designed/unreliable machine that needs regular repairs due to being built " light " or " cheap ". Then there is the loss from down time, and transporting, rentals if required, etc. Food for thought. Pay now, or pay later, if you pay now, life can be allot smoother and more structured. I bought a 2019 SSV75, has 900hrs now, has yet to need any kind of repair ( I do forestry work with it ) and a supporting L Series Tractor from 2020, zero repairs on it ( runs a full time root rake/grapple ) save for physical damage. I think Kubotas lower ratings are due to their more conservative approach, and not trying to " compete " so much with the other brands. I also worry about long term parts support. I have looked at LS, Kioti, NH, Ive owned deere and Yanmar. Kubota is my sweet spot, your mileage may vary. Should also mention, Im a mostly retired automotive/heavy truck tech. Might have to do with where my frame of reference comes from. Buy stuff that works. Kubota also enjoys aftermarket parts support and accessories guessing do to build numbers. Nice that you mention the Kubota factory insurance, strong selling point for me. Keep up the good work !
All of the pricing that I mentioned in the video is for a cab tractor. The cab is about an $11,000 feature. The higher price was for an L 5460 with a cab
My first tractor was a Kubota L2501. A great machine that I still have and use. However, a few months ago I started looking for a 50hp range with a cab. Kubota will likely always be where I look first but when comparing the L4760 Kubota to the T474 TYM the TYM had more features standard that when I added them to the Kubota was about 25k more. I was willing to pay more but not 25k. So far I really like the TYM. We’ll see if I made the right call as time goes on.
That’s where I’m at. I will pay more for what I believe to be the best machine. On a tractor that size it might be $5000 extra that I would pay but not 25. The thing is, I think all of the foreign companies are improving and there are no cheap or junk tractors anymore
I certainly cannot speak to the pricing on all tractors. Sometimes it’s really hard to know which models to compare because they are different trim levels. Economy or premium. Same horsepower, but different frame size. Lotta variables for comparison. From my limited experience, it seems like Kubota is the most expensive tractor. Even more than John Deere. I don’t think this was the case 10 years ago I know that the Kabota BX is the second most expensive compact John Deere. I know that in the 55 hp range did he have the most expensive model? I’m not an authority.just saying what I see
The listed capacity vs the real world application on lifting capacity with kubota seems to be a bit different. I think they error on the low side compared to some other manufacturers. There are plenty of videos with L525/526 loaders that are lifting above their listed capacity to full height.
Yeah, I was testing a new Hall and Tractor on my property today and I was talking about the difference between usable capacity and listed capacity I also think Kabota and John Deere intentionally make their machines with less lift capacity to reduce liability from Tractor rollovers or damage to the front axle and things like that
@@RockhillfarmYT agreed. I’m headed to pick up our first tractor this weekend! L2501 with tiller, bush hog, and box blade. Beyond excited to get a root grapple mounted and some ballast in the tires.
@rafterwhomestead congratulations. It will change everything you do on your property. I never knew I needed a tractor and now I can’t go a day without it.
I have spent a lot of time looking at them but haven’t posted a stand alone video on them That was my dream tractor but the price has me questioning that
@@RockhillfarmYTI’d be interested in a video of the 4052r compared to the other tractors you’ve looked at. I have a Gen2 2025r and was considering moving to a cab 3039r at some point. But…the 3039r is basically the same tractor as it was over 10-20 years ago. They haven’t updated the 3 series operator station or rear scv availability like they have the 1 series in 2011 and the 2 series in 2017. Is the 4 series also stuck in the past?
@@RockhillfarmYTit baffles me that they don’t at least update the operator station like they did the 1 series and 2 series. But I guess they keep selling them, so… 🤷♂️
Definitely paying more with kubota. The difference is itll probably be around and running in 30 years when tym wont be a company. Not a Kubota fanboy either.
Globally I think TYM manufactures and sells as many tractors per year as Kubota. Huge multinational corporation and the US market is just one small part of that. They also make tractors for a bunch of other brands. Bobcat Tractors, Mahindra tractors, bad boy tractors RK tractors, or four brands off the top of my head that are largely made by TYM They aren’t going anywhere It’s like I said in the video. You might be able to convince me that Kubota is the best tractor but how are you marketing an extra $28,000 for a machine that has less capability You can buy the TYM, and five attachments for it, and a side-by-side, and take your family on vacation and still have some money left for repairs
@RockhillfarmYT Brock We are definitely satisfied with our TYM 474CH. Hasn't disappointed us with its performance. We bought ours from the Smith Enterprise family in Salemburg NC. 30000 OTD for tractor loader spreader bushhog hay spear Auger and delivery. Tell me if that's not a good deal
My answer is, NO. The inflated price can't be justified in service, performance or reliability. They are good, but the artificially inflated price will continue until the consumer walks away from that brand and it hurts their profit.
Cost is important but it's not the only consideration. Where the tool is made, who the company is that makes it, and the reputation they've earned are also important factors. If Kubota (and John Deere, but I've never used one) is akin to being the Snap-on of tractors/equipment then I'm willing to pay the premium for a tool that has earned it in their engineering, quality of production, support, and longevity. If I buy a cheap tool and it fails during usage, I'll be mad from the frustration of the failure (and associated time/energy/money for replacement) but I will be more mad at myself for being an initial cheapskate. Buy once, cry once.
I tried to make that case but also…at some point we should stop and see if it that quality difference is really still there There us a fine line been what you said and posting double just for a name
@@RockhillfarmYT I work in IT as my "day job" so I'm used to being part of beta testing and reporting back bugs to the developers when things break. But when I get into the seat of my tractor or pick up a hand tool I am way past the point of wanting to talk to TYM/Mahindra/Kioti/Craftsman/etc about a problem I might have with their gear. Saying I would be "tapped out" at that point would be an understatement. lol (Lord help me and everyone else if I had to talk to someone in India about a Mahindra failure... lol)
@MrSnivvel what I’m saying is… Why do you believe Kubota makes a better machine? I talk to tractor owners every day and I don’t notice a trend that these other brands have frequent breakdowns. If they did, you would definitely hear about it. The comment about talking to customer service in India doesn’t make sense. Do you speak Japanese? Kubota is Japanese. All of them have US-based customer service set up.
@@RockhillfarmYT The Japanese overall manufacture a better product compared to the Koreans or Indians because of the processes they have. Even in cars, Japanese cars are overwhelmingly better than Korean cars; Toyota and Honda vs Kia and Hyundai. Even when the Japanese open manufacturing in other countries they bring their processes and standards with them. The part about India is about how bad their engineering is and a reference to when call centers went to India as tech support for all the computer makers. I work in IT, I see the crappy code they write and the mindset they have while writing it. I can look at everything else made in India see it as marginal quality at best. I wouldn't trust that they somehow got making tractors correctly when everything else they make is subpar.
What is the parts availability on those other brand machines 5, 10, 20, 30 years down the road? VS parts availability on a Kubota, John Deere, LS, etc. Oftentimes you'll find those lesser quality brand machines don't have great parts availability even when the machines are in production, let alone a few years after production ceases of that model....weigh your pricing versus ability to repair and maintain the equipment down the road....who cares if you save $10k up front, if you can't get a $200 part 5 years from now, you got yourself a $30k lawn ornament because you decided to be a cheap ass up front and get a low quality low sales numbers piece of equipment....same thing goes for attachments and implements. Buy once cry once as they say....its up to you what color you want, but keep in mind, sometimes saving a few bucks up front costs you dearly in the future. I bought a Kubota because the John Deere salesman was well, not a salesman....he literally told me I couldn't afford a John Deere 1 series machine....that told me they don't want my business, went down the road to the Kubota dealer and bought my BX2680....I've had it for almost 3 years, 104 hours and no problems with it at all. I have a great dealership, a couple of them actually and great sales and service departments at both Kubota dealers, although they are competitors of each other, both of them have been extremely helpful and I can go to either dealership for parts, service, and attachments very easily.... Doesn't matter which color your buy, at some point you need parts, service, or some attachments. If you bought because of color, you may find you lack the support from the dealer in the future....its better to buy your dealership than it is to buy a tractor LOL. In my case I've got 2 dealerships that sell Kubota machines within 4 miles of each other, granted they compete for sales, but if one of them doesn't have something I need, they have no problems telling me ot check the other dealer.
Kubotas are too light in the rear end, lack loader capacity and I hate that stupid treadle petal. Those are the reasons I looked at but didn’t buy a Kubota. Looked at Bobcat (Kioti) and TYM and purchased the TYM. To me the TYM was 20k cheaper then the Kubota and was a lot heavier and had a lot more features.
I would never buy a Kubota they are overrated in my opinion. Plus from my experience with a local dealer here, their dealer support sucks. My inlaw bought a Kubota from a dealer a few hours away because he decided he needed one for a project he was doing on a piece of property he owned 1/2 hour down the road from that dealer he brought the machine home and had issues with it and the locale dealer wouldn't give him the time of day because he wasn't a tractor customer but yet he was a parts and utv customer didn;t matter the tractor didn't come from them
L5018 sold in Philippines, because its sold in agricultural stores, they have no available Kubota backhoe model available, looking for a backhoe model that fits L5018, part number for subframe? Kubota marketing to not have a backhoe for the L5018 is flawed stragety.
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DO NOT BUY ANY KUBOTA PRODUCT
I BOUGHT A NEW KUBOTA LX 4020 TRACTOR TO USE FOR A SNOW REMOVAL BUSINESS
IN BRIAN HEAD, UT. I HAD TO PURCHASE FROM A DEALERSHIP IN COLORADO AS IT WAS
THE ONLY KUBOTA DEALERSHIP WITHIN A 1000 MILE SEARCH TO HAVE THE TRACTOR I
NEEDED FOR THE PURPOSE INTENDED. The Dealership, Wickham Tractor in Fort Collins, CO
sold me the tractor and added Howes diesel treatment to the tank as well as selling me the
remainder of the bottle to use to prevent the fuel from jelling. I Used as per specs. Tractor was
purchased on 11/21/23 and I picked it up and transported it back to UT. Tractor was in
operation for 17.2 hours before it would not start. Local Kubota dealerships said they would
not come out to try to fix it as we did not buy it from them. Took it to Las Vegas, NV, as they
were closest Kubota dealership, dropped off on 1/8/24 at 730 am. Kubota dealership said the
fuel smelled funny so it wasn't covered under warranty and said $12000.00 plus to fix. The DPF
was completely clogged and the only codes were low temp MAF sensor and no
communication with EGR. Western area rep said there was no fuel to test because I drained it.
This is a Lie. Had more than 6 gallons of fuel in it when i dropped it off. I have all the emails and
correspondences and text messages, proving they denied coverage for adding a fuel additive.
Sergio at Kubota customer service said, “When I put fuel in the tractor it voided warranty.”
Apco, the Kubota dealership in Las Vegas, sent out the injectors for testing they came back as
bad due to fuel contamination on 1/23/24. Kubota persisted in their point of me putting bad
fuel in the Tractor. When I called the tester, I pressed about the fuel contamination. The person
who did the test, said it was visible metal in the injectors that most likely came from the high
pressure fuel pump. There was no metal in the fuel tank, fuel filter or fuel water separator. The
dealership i bought the tractor from said they were the only ones that could help me at this
point due to Kubota policy. Eddie at Wickham tractor told me I needed to bring the tractor
back to them, 1367 miles round trip. and they would sell me a new one because I had broken
this one. And would see about trying to fix the one I had already bought for a discount. I
transported the tractor back to Greely, CO to Wickham on 1/18/24 they tested the fuel that was
still in the filters and it came back as fine 2/8/24 so they were going to replace the entire
engine. This could take between 3 to 9 months. My warranty coverage says all warranty work
to be completed within 30 days. On 2/28/24 I found out there was internal Kubota Service
Bulletin that came out to all the dealers the week before I bought the tractor stating the very
problems my tractor was having. They knew this, and still denied coverage, and finally, when I
presented this fraud to Kubota, on 3/7/24 Wickham tractor said they were going to replace the
tractor with a new one, but wouldn't give me a timeline of when I would get a new one and I
would have the expense of picking it up from them verses a local dealership. These delays
have cost me my business and reputation to move snow I had to pay out my competitors and
cancel and refund all my contracts. A service bulletin for this tractor was issued before I
bought it stating this very problem. and it was to be fixed at Kubotas expense. They knew the
problem existed, they tried to blame it on me for adding fuel supplement, they tried to coerce
me into buying a new tractor on top of the broken one so i didn't lose my business. they
refused to cover the cost of repair until i proved their fraud, and intent by pushing the narrative
and then changing and deleting emails. I have all emails and correspondence showing the
timeline, the fraud and intent.
Thanks for the video. We love our MX5400. It gets used every workday (we bought it in 2022 and it already has 900 hours on it). 0% financing, unbeatable insurance policy, and an incredible service department. Since we use it in our business, we can't afford break downs, because they will cost us far more than the repair cost. It moves a lot of weight everyday. We attached logging tongs to the 3 point hitch. It has lifted and dragged 6,000 pound logs. When you purchase this tractor, you are getting more than a tractor. You are getting the whole Kubota ecosystem and support structure behind it. Based on our experience with the machine, it is worth every penny.
The loader number is kilograms for Kubota. 2347 lbs for that tractor you reviewed. There is beauty in simplicity! Treadle pedal for LIFE!! Looking good in that shirt, brother!
I purchased my first tractor last year (L2502) Kubota has the best build quality and best customer service IMO, two things that made it much easier to make my decision
we bought a 49hp l4760 and had its first job of pulling big school bus full of students out of a ditch through the winter wich it was a strong little beast plus useing it clearing sidewalks
I've had my kubota b2320 for 12 years and over 950 hours with no breakdowns or issues..very solid tractor.
I love my Kubota MX 5400 HST cab tractor. Just over 500 hrs on it & I’ve had zero issues.
Kubota is the real deal in today’s tractor market.
My grandpa bought Kubota when I was a kid, a Kubota b9200 which was the first I had seen the hydrostatic transmission and that tractor is still in the family and has never skipped a beat. I tried hard to buy it from my cousin but he refused and that’s how I ended up with a L2850. I’m willing to bet both will out live me.
I have an L3560, and I haven't found a project/job that it hasn't been able to handle. So far, that is!
Love my Kubota , 1988 L2850 34hp manual transmission it’s a beast.
My kubota is 3 cyl diesel. It is 30 years old. Works great for us.
yeah im planing on getting there the best generators
Mines 36 years old and is a 4cyl L2850 and it’s just reliable.
I worked for Kubota at one time as a tech. I can say over other brands we serviced Kubota had less pushback for warranty. Basically take pics write a report, and order replacement parts / install. It was really easy and we didn’t have to fight for the customer. However you pay for all that. I went to an LS dealer near me due to your videos on them, and no one in the dealership could answer any technical questions for me they were digging through pamphlets the whole time. I’m not knocking them as i think they are new at carrying LS. With that said I wouldn’t buy a new Kubota id look at auctions and buy there, these days I don’t spend top dollar and usually don’t finance anything.
Looking good Brock, your looking a lot healthier you can even hear it in your voice. Good stuff man.
Thanks for the feedback
And I do feel much better
Consider buying used. I got a m6040 which is a 60hp Kubota with cab, preemissions that runs perfectly for $30k. Pre-emissions. It will probably last forever…
Thought about that, but didn't care to buy someone else's problems, which is typically what you will be buying....same as used cars....they're selling it because they have a problem with it in many cases and are tired of dealing with it....or they bought it and quickly realized it was the wrong size, not enough power, etc. So I went ahead and just bought a new machine, and this was during the plandemic so I had to wait a month to get my machine, and there wasn't a single used machine anywhere to be had either.
You really don't save much buying used, at least in the Kubota world....they hold their value really well, as does John Deere...so it may not pay to buy used LOL.
I bought my first new tractor last year. I purchased a LX2610 with a loader, belly mower and box blade. I’ve since added a grapple because I bought a unit that had a third function already installed. I don’t regret a single thing about my purchase and I’m aware it was on the pricey side, but you can’t beat the reliability and service. And the thing just sips diesel. I like the treble pedal, it helps to have size 12 boots or larger for it to really be easy to use. You’d be very happy with the MX, but if I were you I’d see what they have available in their Grand L series.
Thanks for sharing
Thank you for this information! This is a smaller model than I think I need but I am tractor shopping and needed to hear that Kabota is a quality machine.
The Kubota loader model number is the kg that it will lift to full height. While not exact, multiply this by 2.2 to get a very close conversion to weight in pounds.
I have a BX24 & L5030. I’m constantly amazed at what my BX does-especially the backhoe. I frequently use it to unload logs from my trailer. I have the L5030 for two specific reasons: lifting and moving IBC totes of firewood, and grapple usage (predominantly trees).
I use an outdoor wood boiler for heating my house, so I’m constantly working with firewood.
Great video. I bought an l2501 back in 2020. Handles 6’ attachments very well. Dealers and specs recommend 5’ but they mainly do that for suggestions.
Owning that tractor has been a pleasure!!
Great series on the "real world" shopping for a 50-ish hp cab machine! Been shopping myself in this exact category... When you're down to the final decision, I find a LOT can be learned about quality and longevity looking at "old inventory" or testing "used" machines in my target category sitting on the dealer lots to see how the valves and drivetrain "feel" after use. Good to visit another dealer in the brand as well to cross-check. Rusting fittings, fading and/or lots of chalky plastic surfaces tell a lot about how that shiny new machine is going to hold up.
Some of that stuff also tells you about the previous owner(s)....the lack of maintenance, keeping the machine sitting out in the weather, etc. Not necessarily an issue with the manufacturer but an owner/operator problem instead LOL. I've seen a lot of new(er) machines that look like they were used in the destruction derby, while a 20 year old machine still looked new....its all in how the machine is cared for.
Thanks for doing all of these comparison videos. Very interesting.
Brock, I bought a Kubota MX5400 gear drive open station with 3 rear remotes third function backhoe with a 18” bucket 3 sets of wheel weights and rim guard in the rear tires and block heater. I bought it one year ago. The dealer is only 4 miles away and I have known the owner for years. He gave me a fantastic price 55,000 . I love the tractor. It works great for me.
Glad to hear it. Probably last you forever
I have a 2020 MX6000 Cab and a 22’ 1025R. Love both tractors the Kubota is more reliable over 300 hrs with 0 issues. The Deere has broke down more than once with only 110 hrs.
After putting 20 hours on my B26 backhoe with the 24/25 hp it runs stronger the longer you run it without stopping in the middle of a work day. Was able to put it through some quick runs with loader filling bucket completely as well putting it through some heavy drags with a heavy loads of dirt and gravel under a torque at slow speeds was grading gravel and top soil over a 1/4 acre area. Then took out and dug a 6’ deep 12’ dia. Fire pit with in minutes dug through tough Ga red clay with easy and yes it rained two days before all of this work happened. Kubota is number one for me and koyote and Deer are my second yet you showed the other brand yanmar and it probably tops second above koyote and deer but a buddy told me the koyote is similar to Kubota with heavier lift capabilities. Idk I just know I’m loving my B26 and I’m definitely not disappointed. Thanks for sharing bud and enjoy hearing your thoughts on these larger tractors. My next one will probably be a bigger thought before investing so much.
I think for most folks as you said about the Stihl, it's a lifetime purchase. Pick a brand you like that has a dealer close by that are reliable whether you buy new or used. My Deere dealer is 35 minutes from my house. Never changing from Deere. Multiple brands have been in and out of the formerly Kubota dealership down the street. Glad I went Green .
I would not sway from John Deere, kubota, or kioti in my opinion. My parents have a mid 2000’s Kubota that’s around 1200 hours. I did a service for them recently. It was 750 hours overdue for a service and the last time the air/fuel/oil had been changed was 2005. Zero issues other than dry rotting since 2003. My L2501 has been flawless and same with my kx040. I like that they use their own motors as well
Is you are buying a new 50 hp tractor how do you get past the extra $28,000 on the price tag?
Who is to say the other brands aren’t as good. They are not not small companies and they are not new to building tractors
I own that exact tractor. 450 trouble free hours. They are expensive. But you gotta weigh the price vs the headache of lower quality brands. The price difference has grown significantly in the last few years although. They are getting to a point where they may price themselves out of most people’s price range. I plan on keeping mine for years to come
I love my kubota but if I were looking to purchase a tractor today I would go with something else that was less expensive with the extra hydros. I don't why kubota doesn't come standard with the extra hydros.
Absolutely 110% for kabuta they stand by the warranty iv owned m 7060 open and closed cab tractors currently own cab mx 5400 also lx 3310 plus z42 zero turn As a small farm you wont be disapointed as a big farm you wont be disapointed, also owned a case 75c and was not impressed at all with there 2 year warranty!! Also don't shy away from the mx5400 standard clutch they shift amazing smooth less whining! and for me has more torque!!
They deserve a more premium price, but that is an incredible difference.
Brock, i purchased my first tractor 4 years ago, and it was a Kubota L2501. Excellent machine. Bug i find myself now owning a Kioti CK2610. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the Kubota, but I gained lift capacity with the loader and on the three point, and I would argue that i have a much more comfortable operator platform. I will admit that the hydraulic circuit in the Kubota was light years ahead of my Kioti with it's silky smooth dual function ability, but I'm not operating for a living. I got what I consider to be a comparable quality machine, with more capability, for $3500.00 less. Cannot go wrong with the Kioti brand.
Thanks for sharing your experience
I love Kabota and it's an American made company. That said, we have a small front loader. It is the most worthless piece of equipment. It has trouble limiting up an empty bucket and frequently cannot lift loads. Make sure your lifting power is adequate for your needs. However, it is reliable and never breaks down...
You are looking great - keep up the hard work. I'm on my own journey with this. Down a bit, backup up and working to get back down! I'm a Kubota guy (B2650). When I bought in 2017 I did a ton of research. I'm a fan of quality, reliability and integrated engineering (making their own stuff, using their own stuff within the same machine). There are several good alternatives which I could have bought and would have worked just fine. However, I found and still believe Kubota is like my Toyota vehicles in that they are simply the best. I may pay more - I'd argue this is too subjective to be a real issue. My support has been great though really not used. I damaged my front-end loader and rear fender. Filed a KTAC claim with my dealer. No questions, no pushback, no delays - paid my small deductible. Within 4-6 weeks they had installed a new loader and rear fender .... again, let me say that I was at fault. I didn't like the treadle pedal when I first got it. Now I find it very convenient. Wish I had a bit more space where my feet go as I have big feet. I'm considering upgrading to a L3902 or the L4060LE just cause I want a slightly bigger frame with more weight. That said, all I need is my B2650 .... it's a want, not a need.
Thank you for sharing your experience with Kubota
Carnivore diet has been great for me. Dr Ken Berry on UA-cam is a wealth of knowledge if you are interested. He does hour long q&a videos that I listen to a lot while working
@@RockhillfarmYT Yes, I've been doing Keto-vore. When home it is mostly carnivore but while traveling which I do a lot it is Keto as it is easier to get a protein plus a dark green veggie like brussel sprouts or asparagus. Love Ken Berry plus a few others. Keep it up!
@BrickyardPowerMan well done.
I lost 40 pounds fast and then didn’t lose anything for a month. Then I just started losing again without changing anything. I enjoy eating this way
Kioti for tractors, kubota for the skid steer/excavators all day...
After watching these comparison videos, I have to admit the new tractors have some advantages over my 1952 Ford 8N. For example, my 8N has a three point lift capability of 800 pounds, on a good day. But my little 8N does what I need it to do. Grades my gravel road, skids logs to the firewood cutting station, scoops dirt and gravel, and is easy to maintain. I could have purchased a 25 HP modern tractor, but I only put 50 hours a year on my tractor. The interest earned on the cost difference paid for the 8N in 36 months.
Enjoying the videos, Brock. My advice is buy the lowest cost machine that will do what you need it to do. The savings will more than make up for any repair that might be necessary. All of the tractors you have reviewed are good machines.
I really like the Ford 8N. I would like to have one. Wouldn’t work to load my Sawmill very easily though.
@@RockhillfarmYT , Haha, I was not recommending you buy an 8N. I was just stating that a lower cost machine that does what you need a tractor to do is most likely your best option. The thousands of dollars in savings between the Kubota and a TYM, can be put to better use than paying that much extra for the brand name.
@jacklabloom635 right. I also just really do like the Ford Tractors. I’ve got the opportunity to use a few of them. Very cool antique look and many of them are still running 70+ years later.
Brock, great information on the Kubota. I think they are great machines. Just not for me. Like you said, everyone has to make there own decision for whats best for themselves. Thank you
While I do love a Kubota, my size 15 muck boots HATE a treadle pedal so I opt for gear drive every time. Give me dual pedals and I'm a much happier guy. :)
I have the MX 5100 same tractor just older gear drive . I love it very well made . The only thing I see an issue is the front hubs . They just don’t hold up over time . But it’s an easy fix . I do not like where the PTO switch is on the new 5400 .
The loader owner's manual sets the loader limit by front axle capacity, so take that into consideration when talking about the "lift" numbers
Wow...I'm blown away at the prices of tractors nowadays! I paid 31K for that tractor (MX5800) in 2016. I know that was 8 years ago plus Covid but holy smokes!
$22,000 of inflation in eight years
I think Kabota has just lost their mind on pricing. They were a good value previously.
@@RockhillfarmYTnot anymore
Kubota also builds their own loaders in house also not just the physical tractor, part of why they say they are performance matched. I think one measurement that often gets lost in comparisons is the lift capacity to 1.5M. 90% of the people who buy or operate any equipment from CUT to CTL or even pay loader aren’t lifting 100% capacity to full height. Any machine that can lift 2,300 pounds or more to full height will lift 3k or more to 1.5M or even 2M. For most practical reasons that’s the number most people should pay attention to that will help them from spending way more on a machine than you really need. Even the bobcat salesman mentioned that in your video!
I think one of the reasons we're seeing the higher prices on a Kubota is because most of them are produced in America. To quote an article: "Kubota America produces more than 100,000 units every year at its Georgia facility. More than 2,300 employees work in Kubota America and make Kubota tractors for sale within the United States and beyond. Some of the Kubota tractors made in the Georgia facility are exported worldwide." They are, in fact, made 30 miles from me. And they're opening a new building soon called the Kubota Loader Manufacturing Facility.
Isn’t it sad that making something in America cost twice as much. Government interference is my answer to that.
TYM makes a lot of their tractors in Georgia and Texas.
And yet they were til recently importing parts and rebranding made in USA by Kubota. Paid millions of $ in a civil lawsuit. Deceitful company, no thank you!
Ya, with Loaders made in USA With Supper cheepo "Chinese-ium Hydraulic Cylinders"....they are ALLL OVER my "kubogy MX5200 TLB "; constantly leaking down. My Massey-Ferguson Tractor hydraulic cylinders stay UP for Weeks.
Good video, just a BX owner here.
I think with the smaller tractors, the pricing might not be as out of control.
I have nothing negative to say about a Kabota tractor. Just trying to understand where the price difference comes from on the size I’m looking at.
@@RockhillfarmYT still expensive and you have to carefully watch weight on front implements. I’ve made a few of my own with decent success.
Gave all major brands the chance. Bought a Kioti . Much more bang for the buck.
Well said Bob. I looked at all the players in the game and for me Kioti came out on top. First tractor for me NS6010C HST
One really should consider tractor residual value after some years of service. Re-sale value need not be the deciding factor, but it is a factor. Used tractor price checking on Marketplace will help drive home that point. Resale price gap may not totally off-set new OEM pricing between tractor brands, but it's helpful to know.
In my area there's a large & reputable AG dealer that sells/services new/used farm equipment, mostly for dairy farmers. Much of what they deal in is very large harvest and manure handling equipment. They also sell new 'hobby' class tractors, mostly units 60hp and under.
I'm a little bothered that they've switched between various imported tractor brands several times over the past 20yrs. I don't know if they've ever left their tractor buyers 'orphaned' when they switched tractor colors, but I would have that concern.
The other very important factor is the dealership and their service department. Regardless of brand, be careful who, you buy from. Sometimes spending more is worth it in the long run and sometimes spending less ends up a wise move as well.
We got a little 75 hp Kubota we use it pack silage bush hog and push manure we have just about worn it out
Kubota does not sell the MX5400 in Australia, most probably because the Australian government has not imposed anti pollution requirements on tractors.
I have a MX5200 which is what they sell here. I did not pan to buy this tractor. I wanted to buy a smaller machine. However when tractor shopping in 2021 this was the only tractor available. So we bought it.
I like the big front wheels. Especially with the loader off the tractor looks good. I like its power and it’s smoothness.
To be honest it did not cost much more than a smaller tractor when we bought it. We were planning to buy a smaller Mahindra tractor but the deal fell through for lack of supply. It cost I think $36k (this is Australian dollars so it costs more). We then bought the MX5200 for $10k more. However it’s a bigger machine, has two rear hydraulic remotes, a canopy and a 500kg counter weight.
Have you done anything with the RK equipment? The service part, as I understand it, doesn't thrill me. But maybe all models require you to take the machine to them.
Truly 17k financed over 5 years less than 300 a month in these comparisons, however it’s really not apples to apples comparison even when in the same category. They all deliver a bit different in their own way even in the same “category”. Something else to consider is not only longevity and reliability but the holding its value through the “centuries”…when time to sell if you do the Kubota will have a higher resale value than all others. Best wishes
I'd like to see that 200 year old Kubota that's doing so much better than the 200 year old Kioti over the centuries lol
Do you have any thoughts on the TYM 654 as far as value and reliability?
I have looked at all of the TYM tractors up to the 574 and 5835. I have faith in the company
Don’t know anything about the bigger models
I think Evan from Country view acres on UA-cam has the 654
Brock any updates on some wg25s coming in? Have a great Sunday.
Where is this tractor that it’s so high? I just bought a new MX6000, added two rear remotes and 3rd function valve and price was $42,000 in MS. This tractor is $10,000 more and is the size below.
Did you buy it with a cab? I’m pricing all of them with a cab which is an extra $11,000.
I want to upgrade my JD 1025r and have looked at the MX 5400 but dislike the skateboard treadle peddle. 😮 I think I could get use to the smaller 60 series peddle and the loader control… I like them on the fender and hate them up near the steering wheel.
A lot of good options. I would look at a kioti NS series or a TYM 574 also in that size
I bought a Mahindra. Brock. Take a look at the common rail diesel system on these tractors. No filters or emissions. Just an idea.
Awesome selling point
Kubota is made for home owners and hobby farmers ..real farms rarely have them !
Kubota and John Deere have weak loader lift capacity. They do that on purpose to encourage buyers to upgrade in tractor HP and frame size. I'm retiring to my farm in June and will be purchasing a TYM/ Branson 3620 with a 2700 lb fel capacity.
Great plan
Best of luck to you
Kubota is the best. I’m getting an L3302. Can’t decide if I want the Backhoe attachment. Nothing touches the Kubota. I can’t believe how bad the John Deere compact tractors are. Getting a higher quality and higher capable machine for less money.
What do you like about Kubota. I’m not arguing. I’m asking
They are so much more expensive and have less capacity
I like the Kubota I had, smooth operation,but didn't like the lift capacity or the Regen. I looked around and finally got a Mahindra. Lot less money and stronger than the Kubota. It's not as smooth operating as the Kubota, but that's a small price to pay. Also no Regen. I have had it for 5 years now and the only problem l have had 1 switch went bad. Might be worth taking a look at.
Just sold a L4802 I didn't like it at all. Picked up a 20 year old Branson that has more features and is great.
Man, I got my MX5400 2021 with a box blade for just $35,500! I guess I lucked out!!
The prices I gave included a cab which is another $11,000. If yours is an open station, you got a really good deal. If it’s a cab, you got an amazing deal.
I think they had this one priced at 41,000 without the cap
The MX is really in the utility class. Or between compact and utility. Is it a cat 1 or cat 2 three point hitch? Maybe it can come set up either way…? The grand L is a premium compact tractor. The L4802 is the basic compact, but has much less loader capacity. The price on the MX is more attractive than the high HP grand L tractors if you don’t need or want the bells and whistles. One thing about the high loader capacities on others - it’s one thing to have a winning spec sheet. It’s another to have a machine durable enough to handle that much load day-in-and-day-out. That kind of capacity can really stress the front axles and such, especially without proper ballast. I’m looking at new tractors too and I looked at the operator manual for a TYM 494 last week, and I thought it was lacking in several ways, particularly regarding discussion of ballast and max axle loads. The English wasn’t the best either. Kubota and Deere manuals are usually good and thorough, and dealer support is also usually strong.
That MX has the same Hp, the same size tires, same length and width, less lift capacity and it’s a hydrostat.
Definitely fits in a comparison with the other compact models that I looked at
The cheaper models are measuring loader capacity from the front pins,Kubota goes off the bucket
Kubota beats a John Deere everyday hands down. I have 3 Kubota's and would never buy a green tractor.
I would never buy a Kubota. My brother spent $60k + on a brand new Grand L (paid CASH, no financing). It took a while to get but when he called THE FACTORY to get a status, they yelled at him and hung up. When the tractor got in, they delivered it with stuff missing other than the back ordered back hoe. When the dealer got the PAID FOR back hoe in, they tried to DEMAND MORE MONEY. Watching how they treated my brother, I sure as heck won't give them my business. The same guy owns all the Kubota dealerships in Eastern Washington. I am going to keep telling this story because Kubota sucks.
Doesnt kioti measure lift at the pivot pins where as kubota measures it 500mm out or something like that? I recall this when researching the specs of the cheaper tractors. When i saw this, i immediately wrote them off. As an engineer, i need to have confidence in the specs to reflect real world scenarios.
I am pretty sure that they all measure it the same way. Sometimes you will get 2 sets of numbers
Deere and Kubota just lift less than the competition. They do this on purpose.
Nothing against them, just is what it is
You can price a 4052M john Deere right now and you should be a around 41-42 thousand. Some places has incentives going right now that will knock off a couple thousand. That's a tractor and loader.
Yeah, and that’s a lot better value. The thing about pricing is that I’m trying to compare the same Tractor at each brand and on all the other prices it’s been for a premium model with a cab.
The 4052M is a better value but 4052R with a cab is a more fair comparison and it’s 60,000
Might be more likely to buy the 4052M but I didn’t get prices for the other tractors without a cab
I see Brock the thin man!!! Wow
Need to be careful with draw bar connected PTO powered equipment on the Kubota tractors. Kubota has the PTO output shaft too close to the draw bar - not enough vertical separation. TTWT ran into troubles with this in at least one video with a Kubota tractor.
If I recall, he was also using an implement that was way to big for the machine, but they release a lot of videos. But I agree, it’s much tighter then other brands.
Tim does have a tendency to push the limits of a machine, but he had a comparable John Deere model that accommodated it just fine
Video people pushing the limits is not saying that you should do that every day but it’s finding out if you can
I think your pricing might be off a little. 3 weeks ago I purchased a MX5400, exactly like the one in your video. 38k. You have to shop different dealers. Kubota doesn't set the price the dealer does.
Did you get it with a cab? Every tractor compared in my video series was priced with a cab.
This one I think was listed at 41,000 the way it sat or 52,000 with the cab. or 63,000 if you want it in the premium model.
Awesome job on this one, Id share this, to make a point, lets do Mahindra, vs Kubota.. ( for big contrast ) you may pay more for the Mahindra over time, than the Kubota, with repairs. That is kind of my paradigm. If I pay more up front, and the equipment never fails ( as in needing dealer service ), that value can be transferred, from the other paradigm of parts and labor spent on a less well designed/unreliable machine that needs regular repairs due to being built " light " or " cheap ". Then there is the loss from down time, and transporting, rentals if required, etc. Food for thought. Pay now, or pay later, if you pay now, life can be allot smoother and more structured. I bought a 2019 SSV75, has 900hrs now, has yet to need any kind of repair ( I do forestry work with it ) and a supporting L Series Tractor from 2020, zero repairs on it ( runs a full time root rake/grapple ) save for physical damage. I think Kubotas lower ratings are due to their more conservative approach, and not trying to " compete " so much with the other brands. I also worry about long term parts support. I have looked at LS, Kioti, NH, Ive owned deere and Yanmar. Kubota is my sweet spot, your mileage may vary. Should also mention, Im a mostly retired automotive/heavy truck tech. Might have to do with where my frame of reference comes from. Buy stuff that works. Kubota also enjoys aftermarket parts support and accessories guessing do to build numbers. Nice that you mention the Kubota factory insurance, strong selling point for me. Keep up the good work !
That pricing is way wrong! I work for a Kubota dealer and we can get you into that tractor he was showing you for about $35k
All of the pricing that I mentioned in the video is for a cab tractor. The cab is about an $11,000 feature.
The higher price was for an L 5460 with a cab
So what would you pick?
You’re in the market.
TYM and Kioti are my top 2 right now
Mine, too.
Im in the market for aroumd a 25hp and these two are at the top of the list@RockhillfarmYT
My first tractor was a Kubota L2501. A great machine that I still have and use. However, a few months ago I started looking for a 50hp range with a cab. Kubota will likely always be where I look first but when comparing the L4760 Kubota to the T474 TYM the TYM had more features standard that when I added them to the Kubota was about 25k more. I was willing to pay more but not 25k. So far I really like the TYM. We’ll see if I made the right call as time goes on.
That’s where I’m at. I will pay more for what I believe to be the best machine. On a tractor that size it might be $5000 extra that I would pay but not 25.
The thing is, I think all of the foreign companies are improving and there are no cheap or junk tractors anymore
You’re pricing seems off most Kubota are very competitive maybe just that series
I certainly cannot speak to the pricing on all tractors. Sometimes it’s really hard to know which models to compare because they are different trim levels. Economy or premium.
Same horsepower, but different frame size. Lotta variables for comparison.
From my limited experience, it seems like Kubota is the most expensive tractor. Even more than John Deere.
I don’t think this was the case 10 years ago
I know that the Kabota BX is the second most expensive compact John Deere. I know that in the 55 hp range did he have the most expensive model?
I’m not an authority.just saying what I see
The listed capacity vs the real world application on lifting capacity with kubota seems to be a bit different. I think they error on the low side compared to some other manufacturers. There are plenty of videos with L525/526 loaders that are lifting above their listed capacity to full height.
Yeah, I was testing a new Hall and Tractor on my property today and I was talking about the difference between usable capacity and listed capacity
I also think Kabota and John Deere intentionally make their machines with less lift capacity to reduce liability from Tractor rollovers or damage to the front axle and things like that
@@RockhillfarmYT agreed. I’m headed to pick up our first tractor this weekend! L2501 with tiller, bush hog, and box blade. Beyond excited to get a root grapple mounted and some ballast in the tires.
@rafterwhomestead congratulations. It will change everything you do on your property.
I never knew I needed a tractor and now I can’t go a day without it.
Add me to the satisfied Kubota customer list! LX3520 has been terrific for bucket work, flail mower, and grapple. Workhorse.
Thanks for sharing
Don't just look at the price difference as 'X' dollars, look at the percentage of purchase.
When the Kubota or Deere, are 30-50% more expensive...
That is a lot
Did I miss the video of you checking out a higher horsepower John Deere?
I have spent a lot of time looking at them but haven’t posted a stand alone video on them
That was my dream tractor but the price has me questioning that
@@RockhillfarmYTI’d be interested in a video of the 4052r compared to the other tractors you’ve looked at. I have a Gen2 2025r and was considering moving to a cab 3039r at some point. But…the 3039r is basically the same tractor as it was over 10-20 years ago. They haven’t updated the 3 series operator station or rear scv availability like they have the 1 series in 2011 and the 2 series in 2017. Is the 4 series also stuck in the past?
@tfunkhou88 they have not over hauled it but it has some newer feature upgrades.
@@RockhillfarmYTit baffles me that they don’t at least update the operator station like they did the 1 series and 2 series. But I guess they keep selling them, so… 🤷♂️
Definitely paying more with kubota. The difference is itll probably be around and running in 30 years when tym wont be a company. Not a Kubota fanboy either.
Globally I think TYM manufactures and sells as many tractors per year as Kubota.
Huge multinational corporation and the US market is just one small part of that. They also make tractors for a bunch of other brands. Bobcat Tractors, Mahindra tractors, bad boy tractors RK tractors, or four brands off the top of my head that are largely made by TYM
They aren’t going anywhere
It’s like I said in the video. You might be able to convince me that Kubota is the best tractor but how are you marketing an extra $28,000 for a machine that has less capability
You can buy the TYM, and five attachments for it, and a side-by-side, and take your family on vacation and still have some money left for repairs
@RockhillfarmYT Brock We are definitely satisfied with our TYM 474CH. Hasn't disappointed us with its performance. We bought ours from the Smith Enterprise family in Salemburg NC. 30000 OTD for tractor loader spreader bushhog hay spear Auger and delivery. Tell me if that's not a good deal
@@melaniekeen3611 it’s a great deal. I’ve ran the 474 a couple times. Nice machine.
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My answer is, NO.
The inflated price can't be justified in service, performance or reliability. They are good, but the artificially inflated price will continue until the consumer walks away from that brand and it hurts their profit.
Kubota for me if I was to ever consider anything else it would be yanmar.
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Cost is important but it's not the only consideration. Where the tool is made, who the company is that makes it, and the reputation they've earned are also important factors. If Kubota (and John Deere, but I've never used one) is akin to being the Snap-on of tractors/equipment then I'm willing to pay the premium for a tool that has earned it in their engineering, quality of production, support, and longevity. If I buy a cheap tool and it fails during usage, I'll be mad from the frustration of the failure (and associated time/energy/money for replacement) but I will be more mad at myself for being an initial cheapskate. Buy once, cry once.
I tried to make that case but also…at some point we should stop and see if it that quality difference is really still there
There us a fine line been what you said and posting double just for a name
@@RockhillfarmYT I work in IT as my "day job" so I'm used to being part of beta testing and reporting back bugs to the developers when things break. But when I get into the seat of my tractor or pick up a hand tool I am way past the point of wanting to talk to TYM/Mahindra/Kioti/Craftsman/etc about a problem I might have with their gear. Saying I would be "tapped out" at that point would be an understatement. lol (Lord help me and everyone else if I had to talk to someone in India about a Mahindra failure... lol)
@MrSnivvel what I’m saying is… Why do you believe Kubota makes a better machine?
I talk to tractor owners every day and I don’t notice a trend that these other brands have frequent breakdowns. If they did, you would definitely hear about it.
The comment about talking to customer service in India doesn’t make sense. Do you speak Japanese? Kubota is Japanese.
All of them have US-based customer service set up.
@@RockhillfarmYT The Japanese overall manufacture a better product compared to the Koreans or Indians because of the processes they have. Even in cars, Japanese cars are overwhelmingly better than Korean cars; Toyota and Honda vs Kia and Hyundai. Even when the Japanese open manufacturing in other countries they bring their processes and standards with them.
The part about India is about how bad their engineering is and a reference to when call centers went to India as tech support for all the computer makers. I work in IT, I see the crappy code they write and the mindset they have while writing it. I can look at everything else made in India see it as marginal quality at best. I wouldn't trust that they somehow got making tractors correctly when everything else they make is subpar.
@MrSnivvel I’m not trying to argue with you. I enjoy the conversation.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
For that price it had better cook my dinner and polish my boots while I'm brush hogging...
Exactly
The price difference is astounding. They have to be losing market share. Anybody who cares about their finances has to consider a $20,000 savings
Exactly
What is the parts availability on those other brand machines 5, 10, 20, 30 years down the road? VS parts availability on a Kubota, John Deere, LS, etc. Oftentimes you'll find those lesser quality brand machines don't have great parts availability even when the machines are in production, let alone a few years after production ceases of that model....weigh your pricing versus ability to repair and maintain the equipment down the road....who cares if you save $10k up front, if you can't get a $200 part 5 years from now, you got yourself a $30k lawn ornament because you decided to be a cheap ass up front and get a low quality low sales numbers piece of equipment....same thing goes for attachments and implements.
Buy once cry once as they say....its up to you what color you want, but keep in mind, sometimes saving a few bucks up front costs you dearly in the future.
I bought a Kubota because the John Deere salesman was well, not a salesman....he literally told me I couldn't afford a John Deere 1 series machine....that told me they don't want my business, went down the road to the Kubota dealer and bought my BX2680....I've had it for almost 3 years, 104 hours and no problems with it at all. I have a great dealership, a couple of them actually and great sales and service departments at both Kubota dealers, although they are competitors of each other, both of them have been extremely helpful and I can go to either dealership for parts, service, and attachments very easily....
Doesn't matter which color your buy, at some point you need parts, service, or some attachments. If you bought because of color, you may find you lack the support from the dealer in the future....its better to buy your dealership than it is to buy a tractor LOL. In my case I've got 2 dealerships that sell Kubota machines within 4 miles of each other, granted they compete for sales, but if one of them doesn't have something I need, they have no problems telling me ot check the other dealer.
Kubotas are too light in the rear end, lack loader capacity and I hate that stupid treadle petal. Those are the reasons I looked at but didn’t buy a Kubota. Looked at Bobcat (Kioti) and TYM and purchased the TYM. To me the TYM was 20k cheaper then the Kubota and was a lot heavier and had a lot more features.
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Would buy a Kubota over John Deere
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Over Priced , maybe tractors are good but construction machine don't last.
Kabota is like Harley, Davidson in tractors. They charge you for every nut and bolt kioti for me
I would never buy a Kubota they are overrated in my opinion. Plus from my experience with a local dealer here, their dealer support sucks. My inlaw bought a Kubota from a dealer a few hours away because he decided he needed one for a project he was doing on a piece of property he owned 1/2 hour down the road from that dealer he brought the machine home and had issues with it and the locale dealer wouldn't give him the time of day because he wasn't a tractor customer but yet he was a parts and utv customer didn;t matter the tractor didn't come from them
Parts are ridiculous
Nope
L5018 sold in Philippines, because its sold in agricultural stores, they have no available Kubota backhoe model available, looking for a backhoe model that fits L5018, part number for subframe? Kubota marketing to not have a backhoe for the L5018 is flawed stragety.