I do pull ups till failure and jump right on the lat pull down. Works well. Used the lat machine to get to the first pull up too. Just sit in a position that resembles your pull up and hammer it.
Yep, 100%. I used to just do heavy lat pull down, but when I switched to pull ups it lit up my whole back up. 5 sets of 10 wide grip, then go to the plate loaded machines. Has worked pretty well for me...
I do the same thing. As many pull ups as I feel necessary then finish off back with the pull down machine to isolate the back by pulling behind my neck rather than in front.
@@marturomano I do 3 sets as well, taken to failure on all body parts. Sometimes I have a warm up set so technically 4 sets. Tbh I shouldve clarified that in my first comment but besides that routine was the same, pullups then machine. I did this until Injured some tendion in my elbow so maybe not the best routine. Perhaps I was pushing my self too much so thats something to be aware of if youre also doing it.
Gee i dont think i will, i was thinking about it till you begged me to with your pop up ad-like comment. Don't disrespect god like that. ALLAH SOLOS ALL
I'm glad you touched on this subject. These studies were giving me second thoughts on purchasing xylitol moving forward. I too use xylitol because of Dr. Ellie.
Agreed mate, it's gold. Over the years I've done pullups with a band etc but nothing is better than the constant resistance of an assisted pull up machine. The weight doesn't matter, going for quality contractions with the head tilted forwards and squeezing the lats on each rep made my back explode with growth👍
Some people might think theres no difference between a pullup with your bodyweight or a pulldown using the same weight of your bodyweight. Jay is absolutely correct. Pullups for some reason hit the back better than pulldowns. Nothing like pulling your body up against the force of gravity. Wish i would have been doing them years ago.
I started focusing on my lats and in the last 6 months I've been doing about 200 pulls ups in a week. I have a v shape now and people have started noticing it. Plus I've increased my strength a lot. Best exercise ever!
I have to stick to negatives with my feet on the ground, and eventually, foot assisted pulls, but that's the road to rehabbing my current injury for now. It's one of the ultimate exercises just like the push up. I can do the pull up that way, but I can't use a cable with just 10lbs on it without ending up in agony 15 to 20 minutes later. Builders need to never exclude the fundamentals of strength let alone forget them.
Same but because i started as a skinny fat, i didnt weight light but had very little strenght so i did tons of pulldowns and after every back workout i was doing sets of negative pull ups, now i can do like 3 pull ups the last day i tried but ill do the same until i can do at least 10 body weight
@@jose5675 just stick with it because the follow up to my post is after eating excessively for 3 days, my body burned it all right off. *I did a lot of heavy, extreme distance and hills farmer's carries recently, and it was enough to switch my metabolism on.* Once you reach a point where you can hit total body and burn yourself out doing it everyday not 2-3x a week, your metabolism will make a drastic change. *I am on the bright side of skinny fat now.* I might now reach a flat stomach and 6 pack abs, but everything feels better, I look much better *and I can finally get rid of my worst and nearly only area, my stomach.* Calisthenics or things like the farmer's carry daily to extremes have always done the absolute most for getting my body to respond to virtually any other training concept I have tried. I can soon return to 3x a week without struggling to get visible results but better yet when I do, I don't have to worry about calories very much.
I think what's smart with Jay is now. Hes focusing using machines instead of free weights, and there's nothing wrong with that hes still getting a hell of a good workout and he looks great at 50. Also preventing injury.
I remember in Covid time all gyms were closed and all I could train with was pull ups/ dips and some light dumbells . My back was insane I was weighing close to 225 lbs and could do 18 clean reps.
You gotta do them properly though. I say this because a lot of beginners don't myself included. You have to practice the retractation of your scapula to really give the lats an optimal position to do most of the work. Easier said then done but well worth the effort. That's why a lot of people feel they're arms and shoulders failing before their back.
“I don’t do chins anymore, but they were the key to my back width.”- Orville Burke. If you don't know who this man is, look him up. Had, probably, the widest back in BB history. It's important you get a maximal degree of Pull. Chinups are 180 degree, whereas pullups are not. Chin ups are fantastic for Width.
They are good if you have an injury and can’t do pull-ups. This way you are still able to work the area with a more structured movement, and flexibility in weight.
I always starts with Pull ups at the start of my Pull day. I'll go 2-3 sets till failure. Eventually when I do 12-15 Pull ups comfortably, I'll add some weight
Didnt work for me, I got stuck on 8 pull ups for like a year. Put a 10kg dumbell between my legs (now 14kg) trained lower reps for a bit, and can do 11-12 pull ups now.
Not trying to say who's right or wrong, especially since both are multi-time Mr. O's but it's interesting to listen to what Dorian Yates says, basically the opposite with heavier weights, lower reps and narrow grip and he built arguably the best back of all time.
I am from africa . I am good follower of your body buiding . You arr the best and legend . However if i talk aboit my self i started lookijg ugly due to left doing gym . Big tummy has come up . Show us how to work on tummy . Thanks
Question for everyone: I have a partially torn right rotator cuff. I can see pull ups are the best, but maybe some of you work through the same issue. I have been doing exercises to strengthen the area & I think they help. Has anyone worked through the same issue but can now do pull ups?
Hi first of all my english is not great. I had same injury years ago and even years later i had shoulder pain while lifting. One day i saw a video about this injury that recommends exercises before start lifting. Since these are first thing i do when i go to gym doesnt matter pull push or leg day i always do these before i start my sets and i dont feel any pain . Here is video link ua-cam.com/users/shortszqao-y4y6WE?feature=share3
Nothing replaces the basics. Machines are good if you want to maintain without much stress on joints and ligaments. Working on the basics will get you big. Since I started doing pullups, barbell rows, tbar rows and dumbbell shrugs for back my back explodes. I was doing cables before and never improved.
I know he’s an ex pro blah blah blah, BUT technically speaking they do the EXACT SAME THING. Just stick to the pull-downs if you won’t be missing out on anything
Do lat pull downs chest up wide grip it's literally reverse pull up or even better try assisted pull up machine that off sets your weight, You can also use a rubber band on pull ups. Rows do recruit ur lats but it's more for a thicker back rather than wide. Your muscles are also stronger when you go down in the pull up movement so you can also train by starting at the top and only going down slowly then stepping on a box or something nd just do that repeat
Pull ups are king. As you get heavier they are tough, but keep them in the rotation.
No shame in my game doing assisted pull ups
@zalapski9399 not at all bro. Some days when I'm wanting to focus on the contraction, I use the asis.
I do pull ups after my pulldowns on back day
@@ah.321m Doesnt make sense
i dont know kyriakos grizzly has a vid where he does 10 pullups at 200kg body weight...
I believe the pull downs are a good starting point towards working your way to doing pull ups.
I totally agree, that's the way I got my first pull up.
Yep
just use an assisted pull up machine
I do pull ups till failure and jump right on the lat pull down. Works well. Used the lat machine to get to the first pull up too. Just sit in a position that resembles your pull up and hammer it.
Only Jay could wear a shirt with himself on it.
Mike Tyson does it all the time
Yep, 100%. I used to just do heavy lat pull down, but when I switched to pull ups it lit up my whole back up. 5 sets of 10 wide grip, then go to the plate loaded machines. Has worked pretty well for me...
I do the same thing. As many pull ups as I feel necessary then finish off back with the pull down machine to isolate the back by pulling behind my neck rather than in front.
@@grtf47its better to just pull down regularly as being the head has a higher risk of injury to the shoulder
@@nukanszn8237 Oh wow i didnt know this. Thanks for letting me know
I still don't get how you people do 5 sets bro, are those taken to failure? I can barely do 4 let alone 5. Most of my training is 2 or 3 sets
@@marturomano I do 3 sets as well, taken to failure on all body parts. Sometimes I have a warm up set so technically 4 sets. Tbh I shouldve clarified that in my first comment but besides that routine was the same, pullups then machine. I did this until Injured some tendion in my elbow so maybe not the best routine. Perhaps I was pushing my self too much so thats something to be aware of if youre also doing it.
Wisdom, I love doing pull-downs and at my weight pull-ups get tough but I still do at least 3 sets and go for 10 reps. #Fitfor50 #MrO 💪🏼💯
I physically can’t do 3 sets of 10 do you think I should go for maybe 3 sets of 6 or is that pointless
@MrBmxtom123 nope try the 6 and eventually u will move up. I started at 5.
@@MrBmxtom123I agree 💯 with that response. Work with what you can do now and the reps will start to increase
What if i cant do 1
@schumann967 always find an assisted pull up machine to get u started and work your way up to no machine. 💪🏼
Thanks. Your clips are awesome. Direct and to the point.
I weight 140ish pounds with clean form I’m assuming he has another 100+ pounds on me that is very impressive at your age Jay! Great form
Jesus is all powerful. Submit to him.
@@camilosanchez831 the fuck does this have to do with pull ups.
@@giby1239Jesus can pull you up to Heaven. You know how they say Angels have wings? They actually have gigantic lats
@@GucciManecubus i shouldn't be laughing at this... lol
Gee i dont think i will, i was thinking about it till you begged me to with your pop up ad-like comment. Don't disrespect god like that. ALLAH SOLOS ALL
Jay looks great and in good condition compared to other body builders at his age.
I'm glad you touched on this subject. These studies were giving me second thoughts on purchasing xylitol moving forward. I too use xylitol because of Dr. Ellie.
these are awesome, direct and quick. he’s a likeable guy too
Thanks for sharing the words of wisdom.... you are a legend man ❤
22 pull-ups from home virtually everyday here before heading out for work 😅
This is very impressive. Especially before work. You go in there with your lats all flared out feeling awesome I bet. 👌
I love pull-ups one of my favorite exercises
I love the assisted pull up machine its really helped me develop my back and posture
Agreed mate, it's gold. Over the years I've done pullups with a band etc but nothing is better than the constant resistance of an assisted pull up machine. The weight doesn't matter, going for quality contractions with the head tilted forwards and squeezing the lats on each rep made my back explode with growth👍
Thanks Jay 👍🏽
Some people might think theres no difference between a pullup with your bodyweight or a pulldown using the same weight of your bodyweight. Jay is absolutely correct. Pullups for some reason hit the back better than pulldowns. Nothing like pulling your body up against the force of gravity. Wish i would have been doing them years ago.
I started focusing on my lats and in the last 6 months I've been doing about 200 pulls ups in a week. I have a v shape now and people have started noticing it. Plus I've increased my strength a lot. Best exercise ever!
Jay has such good genetics he only does half reps and he still looks like that. Unreal!!
Not too long ago I could barely do one pull-up. Now they're my favorite exercise; I won't even start my workout unless I've done 50.
Thank you for the great tips ❤
Weighted pull up variations have been a staple in my back routine forever and my back I my best body part. Pull ups are it!
I have to stick to negatives with my feet on the ground, and eventually, foot assisted pulls, but that's the road to rehabbing my current injury for now.
It's one of the ultimate exercises just like the push up. I can do the pull up that way, but I can't use a cable with just 10lbs on it without ending up in agony 15 to 20 minutes later.
Builders need to never exclude the fundamentals of strength let alone forget them.
Same but because i started as a skinny fat, i didnt weight light but had very little strenght so i did tons of pulldowns and after every back workout i was doing sets of negative pull ups, now i can do like 3 pull ups the last day i tried but ill do the same until i can do at least 10 body weight
@@jose5675 just stick with it because the follow up to my post is after eating excessively for 3 days, my body burned it all right off. *I did a lot of heavy, extreme distance and hills farmer's carries recently, and it was enough to switch my metabolism on.*
Once you reach a point where you can hit total body and burn yourself out doing it everyday not 2-3x a week, your metabolism will make a drastic change. *I am on the bright side of skinny fat now.* I might now reach a flat stomach and 6 pack abs, but everything feels better, I look much better *and I can finally get rid of my worst and nearly only area, my stomach.*
Calisthenics or things like the farmer's carry daily to extremes have always done the absolute most for getting my body to respond to virtually any other training concept I have tried.
I can soon return to 3x a week without struggling to get visible results but better yet when I do, I don't have to worry about calories very much.
I think what's smart with Jay is now. Hes focusing using machines instead of free weights, and there's nothing wrong with that hes still getting a hell of a good workout and he looks great at 50. Also preventing injury.
thank you jay.
I remember in Covid time all gyms were closed and all I could train with was pull ups/ dips and some light dumbells . My back was insane I was weighing close to 225 lbs and could do 18 clean reps.
Yes. Especially if you do machine pull downs like Jay was doing. He was leaning back unlike pullups which are a straighter pull
You gotta do them properly though. I say this because a lot of beginners don't myself included. You have to practice the retractation of your scapula to really give the lats an optimal position to do most of the work. Easier said then done but well worth the effort. That's why a lot of people feel they're arms and shoulders failing before their back.
Just f’n love mr. Cutler💪💪✊ pull ups for life and a’ Big back😉✌️
The arms are getting big again, keep going bro 💪🏻
Props Jay
“I don’t do chins anymore, but they were the key to my back width.”- Orville Burke. If you don't know who this man is, look him up. Had, probably, the widest back in BB history. It's important you get a maximal degree of Pull. Chinups are 180 degree, whereas pullups are not. Chin ups are fantastic for Width.
They are good if you have an injury and can’t do pull-ups. This way you are still able to work the area with a more structured movement, and flexibility in weight.
Love doing these, supersetting with dips, on the machine that takes away my bodyweight.
I’d say it’s a compound movement for lats. That and barbell rows revers grip
Franco Columbu, immediately comes to mind!
Machines are way lighter, you are correct.
I love pull-ups they make you strong while working your abs. But the pull-down I feel activates the details.
Do diff grip pull-ups
My favorite exercise
Quality over quantity all day
Oh god I've been avoiding pull-ups but wanted wide back now iam gonna give more attention to my pull-ups.
They're exhausting, but will see better results than seated pull downs. Good luck!👍
Amazing range of motion too 😂
old skooL is "the ReaL skooL💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
I love pull-ups
Today’s day and age people are so lucky having someone with the prestige of Jay Cutler to give you advice is unreal
So does it make sense for someone who struggles with bodyweight pull-ups to use resistance bands until they get stronger?
I still can’t do one 😢 without bands or assistance but I’ll keep trying
Nice t shirt 👕😂❤
I'm working my way to unassisted pull ups with resistance bands. It's hard going at the minute
Cmon, let's get serious. 💪 I think screw your freedom clown said that.
Ever have that one machine at the gym you would like to give a good swift kick because just hate a certain one for a no reson?
Pec deck/butterfly. I always thought just use dumbbells
I always starts with Pull ups at the start of my Pull day. I'll go 2-3 sets till failure. Eventually when I do 12-15 Pull ups comfortably, I'll add some weight
Didnt work for me, I got stuck on 8 pull ups for like a year. Put a 10kg dumbell between my legs (now 14kg) trained lower reps for a bit, and can do 11-12 pull ups now.
100 percent!
Pull ups in start of the workout?? Or end of the workout?? Jay
How many times a week to avoid burning shoulder out ?
Not trying to say who's right or wrong, especially since both are multi-time Mr. O's but it's interesting to listen to what Dorian Yates says, basically the opposite with heavier weights, lower reps and narrow grip and he built arguably the best back of all time.
Neutral grip and underhand was dorians favorites👍🏻
Link 🔗 of the T-Shirt, please 🙏🏻 😊
legend ❤
Stick to the basics my bros.. Let's get these fu*kin GAINS
You know you were a real badass when you can wear T-shit of your of photo..💪🏻💯
Gr8 vid btw!!
Yes!!
I knew a guy at 24hr fitness and all he did was pull ups. Dude had a cobra back and was like 50 years old lol
What about dumbbell rows?
I'm up to 50lbs for 10 reps. Granted, I don't weigh much, but lats are definitely one of my better muscle groups. Lol
I'm 214. Doing pull ups is impossible. Any suggestions? I want that v taper.
Use bands to assist you
I am from africa . I am good follower of your body buiding . You arr the best and legend . However if i talk aboit my self i started lookijg ugly due to left doing gym . Big tummy has come up . Show us how to work on tummy . Thanks
That’s a sick shirt where do i get one
Do both
💯💪
The weird thing is watching people go super heavy with lat pull-downs and they can't even do 10 pull-ups.
Waiting for Mario Rios to make a video on this for how this is wrong because he is a bodybuilder
THE MASTER!!!!!! ❤
How do you build if you have one arm or one side of your shoulder is weaker than the other.
He said " all the wide backs all the V tapers come from a wide PULLDOWN movement.
Jay has that subtle, nuanced type of new england accent that the movies never get right. He says "bar", not "bah".
CRAZY THICK WIDE BACK LIKE YOU NEEDS LOTS OF TREN
Two inch range of motion
At 250 pounds I can still knock out a set of 12 wide grip pull ups. I’m not fit…just big and strong.
Tell that to Mike mentzer
Here is the real dude
Ever turn up to the gym fucked after a physical work day and just hang off a pull-up bar thinking this can't be my life
Question for everyone: I have a partially torn right rotator cuff. I can see pull ups are the best, but maybe some of you work through the same issue. I have been doing exercises to strengthen the area & I think they help. Has anyone worked through the same issue but can now do pull ups?
Hi first of all my english is not great. I had same injury years ago and even years later i had shoulder pain while lifting. One day i saw a video about this injury that recommends exercises before start lifting. Since these are first thing i do when i go to gym doesnt matter pull push or leg day i always do these before i start my sets and i dont feel any pain . Here is video link ua-cam.com/users/shortszqao-y4y6WE?feature=share3
I want this t-shirt
What are those! Come on jay….😂
Nothing replaces the basics. Machines are good if you want to maintain without much stress on joints and ligaments. Working on the basics will get you big. Since I started doing pullups, barbell rows, tbar rows and dumbbell shrugs for back my back explodes. I was doing cables before and never improved.
Agree.
How can I get to pulls up if I can't even do one yet??
But i wanna train my whole upper back so its still good
You can't mimic the stretch you get from a pull up with a challenging amount of weight
Basics are muscle builders. Machines are for details, but if you don't have mass... Machines are not going to work imo
I counted 1 pull up altogether
Still waiting for him to explain the differences lol
Markus Rühl is unable to to one pull up, he said.
i cant do more than 3 reps how can I improve
Where can I get that shirt
Song?
👍🏼👍🏼
I love pull ups - but 10 reps? Ok boss 👍🏼
I know he’s an ex pro blah blah blah, BUT technically speaking they do the EXACT SAME THING. Just stick to the pull-downs if you won’t be missing out on anything
All the videos and info on the internet and i still dont know what to do to get my first pull up will inverted rows on 10 reps get me the
Do lat pull downs chest up wide grip it's literally reverse pull up or even better try assisted pull up machine that off sets your weight, You can also use a rubber band on pull ups. Rows do recruit ur lats but it's more for a thicker back rather than wide. Your muscles are also stronger when you go down in the pull up movement so you can also train by starting at the top and only going down slowly then stepping on a box or something nd just do that repeat
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My dude is wearing a shirt with himself on it lol