10 WH2 Mechanics the game NEVER tells you
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
- This video helps explain hidden game mechanics in Warhammer 2 and hopefully these mechanics will carry over into WH3.
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0:00 Intro
0:32 Ambushing
1:29 Siege Attackers
2:25 Unique Traits
2:57 Retreating
3:31 Disbanding Legendary Lords
3:58 AI Behavior
4:21 Difficulty Settings
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7:24 Global Recruitment
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When you want to go into a certain stance like ambush or encamp and can't do it even though you have enough movement is due to a attached campaign movement speed increasing hero. You can remove the hero from the army encamp and then add them back in.
Yeah, If you watch my older stuff (Arkhan Video) this bug used to seriously mess me up
@@gamingrambles It's still in the game so it's a feature at this point! :p
Or kick out the lord and replace it with another. The first stance change is free, even if you wouldn't have have the movement otherwise. Let's say you force marched all the way, kick the lord out, bumm, you can still encamp there.
@@azpont7275 wait...wut? I need to try that out sometime
@@gamingrambles It's been it the game for quite a while, that's said, I rarely ever have the need use it. Give it a go.
Alt click with artillery to target a specific spot instead of a unit. Useful for blobs, clearing a section of wall, reducing friendly fire incidents, and making mortars da best
Or, alternatively, maximizing friendly fire!
Gotta make sure those clanrats take enough damage to warp bomb after all.
Alt, thank You, been trying to remember that key for a week!
Works for magic too
Taxing a region gives you an additional local recruitment slot in said region
lol I love you guys
I knew something was up with that but never made the connection. Nice one.
Holy crap really??? Did not know that. (Alright, it's VERY rare that I don't tax a region, but even so).
@@BittermanAndy yeah this is true. Nate is bringing it up because it's a mistake I made on a Livestream 😂
But whyyyy
If you play a faction which has the lord loyalty mechanic and have a lord with low loyalty which you want to disband move them out into the sea. You can safely disband them etc. because the army doesn't rebel when out in water.
I usually don't play those factions so I always forget this 😂
the magic of tax free alcohol
You just shove em off the boat lol
@@zacharysain8516 teach clanrats how to swim, yes-yes!
There is nothing to rebel... when thrown overboard... yes-yes...
Another tip correlated to moving on the map is disembarking in a territory in which player hasn't a port. The game doesn't tell you that your lord borrows steps from his next turn to disembark, and you could have only 50% of your movement range the turn after. The way to counter this is to change the stance of your disembarked lord to forced march if there aren't enemy armies nearby, so the extra steps are taken from your current turn instead of the next.
Wow, I actually didn't know this
@@gamingrambles Learned from Legend of course
@@torquevonthorne948 about half of these tips I picked up from watching legend
Interesting
Damn. Found it really odd after disembarking and hit next turn, only had like 27% (more or less) movement. The settlement was just inches away and unguarded.
Sadly, was already on forced marched when landing. From your tip, will remember to normal stance land then force march after landing and finally clicking that next turn. Cheers!
I didn't learn for like two years that armor reduces damage with a dice roll, rolling a number between your armor value and half that. So, for example, if you have 100 armor, it will reduce non-armor piercing damage by a percentage between 50 and 100%.
I didn't know that
Ooooh, I thought it was a D(armour value), so 100 was 1-100. Nice to know it's way better than that.
I don't remember if it's still the case, they did a knockdown rework a while back, but your armor value used to ALSO determine how long characters stayed on the ground if they got knocked over by cavalry or monsters or whatever. More armor=longer knockdown, which was part of the reason that characters like Grimgor would stay on their ass for SEVERAL seconds before getting back up (and usually getting knocked right back over).
Linear relation to 100 armor then Logarithmic from 100-200. At 200 armor non-AP damage cannot get through no matter what. Try it with Thorek.
best tip is if you want to know which settlement a skaven faction has, you go into diplomacy and then hit the economy icon(the one that colors strong economic regions.) For some reason, all of their settlement will be highlighted and so you know exactly where they are.
Or you could be paranoid like me and just assume every ruin is Skaven 😂
@@gamingrambles Heresy! There's no such thing as skaven.
also if you wanna know if it has an army just select the settlement and although it appears as a ruin, if there is an army the audio cue will play as if you selected the army inside.
@@digitalshoes5520 I believe this is no longer true from a recent patch. But it was hilarious to click on an empty town and hear "RAAAAAAH"
Dont some ruins change models when they're colonized by skaven?
I like swear they do the skaven city thing is utterly useless lmao
The AI's heroes follow the roads and your ambush gets foiled when the hero runs into your army. You can solve this by moving the army off the road so that the model isn't standing on it, but the red zone of control still covers the road.
Clicking and dragging spells will change their direction vortex spells included meaning it will initially head in the direction you drag before going wherever it decides
I actually didnt realize this until I saw Enticity's video a couple months ago. Definitely higher level stuff right there
That explains a lot. I've seen a ton of videos where Vortex spells just always seem to head in the right direction for a while.
I just found out yesterday (after playing forever) that you can click and drag an armies path on the campaign map. This lets you dial in exactly the percentage of movement you want to spend, for example if you want to use 50% of movement and then Encamp to avoid attrition.
I've just been eyeballing it for years 🤦♂️
You can see whether the settlement has wall or not by looking at the shape of the settlement name. If it has a name on a castle shaped paper, it means you need a siege attacker to attack the settlement at that turn.
The game never told me this.
What the actual fuck? Is that? Ive been playing for one year or so and never knew what indication the game gives you about walls
Im glad someone else noticed that, I found it some time ago and it really helps In planning attacks.
You can also use garrison view. Tells you if it has walls or not, if those walls are damaged, and the size of the garrison (plus what's in it, if you have vision of that).
7:24 Oh so that finally explains why that happens some times, whenever I play Tomb Kings I notice after a certain point I can just recruit units globally much faster.
Well, actually, I think they also have Lord or technology that decreses global recrutment time. Thanks to that I can recrute my tomb guards as fast as I lose them😂
@@pavlelazarevic5042 They do have a tech that makes that easier. It's the "Awaken the Heralds" one you can take for unlocking all the herald followers at the far right of their tech tree.
i always wondered why in every faction base infantry takes 1 turn to recruit, then i remembered that the main settlement buildings usually have some basic troops to recruit from
So frustrating that the loading screen has tips like "Orc Warriors are enthusiastic but ill disciplined fighters" (erm, thanks... I'm playing as Dark Elves) but doesn't mention things like being able to reduce global recruitment times. Help us out here, CA, this is a complicated game!
My thoughts exactly 😂
Well as DE you're probably going to be doing all your recruiting from Black Arks anyway.
@@OniGanon true dat
If I was working for CA, I'd add "tips" like: "It's never too late to learn to play piano" or "Alfred Hitchcock was afraid of eggs".
If you're going to get useless information, at least make it REALLY useless.
@@andregon4366 Warhammer 1 atleast had some nice lore tidbits and stories to add to to atmosphere.
Here's a fun one: If there's no good targets for your ranged units, you should try to save your ammo instead. That's because ammo counts towards your balance of power and using up your ammo reserves is like losing units. This only comes into effect when you go below 50% of the ammo reserves on a unit tho.
So, once you hit that point, unless there are good targets (such as large monsters or expensive cavalry) you kind of want to stop shooting.
That is so stupid... Why would they do that?
Which makes certain spells that increase or decrease an army's ammo kind of OP.
If you hit a clumped group of archers with Vile entropy you gain as much balance as if you killed one third of the army (maybe more).
@@DontKnow-hr5my
Because ranged units (that are not decent in melee) are pretty bad once their ammo is depleted?
@@andregon4366 I don't recall any spells which does this... only a few hero abilities.
@@drafezard7315 You're right, I just call all clickables "spells".
You can sally out of a settlement thats under siege just by selecting it and right clicking the besiegers. You dont need a lord there to do that. I didnt know this for my first few campaigns.
I noticed it when the AI started doing it to me. Figured I must be able to do it too
Im sorry what do you mean by sally out? Get an army out of a besieged settlement? Or who
@@gabe752 Instead of waiting behind your walls, your army "sallys out" from the settlement to have a pitched battle in the open field.
@@instathrill8845 oh right, yeah I guess I knew you could attack the besiegers with the garrison, I didn’t understand that’s what this referred to
@@instathrill8845 thanks
If you can't tell if an enemy settlement close to your army has an army stationed there because it is just out of your sight, you can mouse over it to check it's public order. There you will see if the city is getting a public order bonus for units stationed there. You can also tell if a minor settlement has walls if the little banner the city's name is written on looks like it has battlements.
WHAT?!? I have over 1,2k hours in the game and I never knew that having more than 10 of a recruitment building would decrease the global recruitment time of those units tied to said recruitment buildings by one turn. Always more to learn it seems.
An other early campaign tip : From the get go, recruit a second Lord.
It may add an additionnal supply line cost early on but since his army will remain empty for a long time it'll be more than bearable, plus an extra lord is a powerful unit to have early on and he grants what your main legendary lord lacks (magic, replenishement, ambush stance,...)
Plus this one will gain lvl up which will makes your second army stronger when you'll start giving him some units
And of course he'll be the one to colonize ruins instead of your legendary lord since it costs half your whole army health and all your movements points (or even recruit a new trash new lord for this purpose)
And when attacking a settlement, your main army will sack, and your lone second hero will occupy, thus your main army will conserve his remaining move points.
Hmm... not so sure about this. Considering that 1 extra unit will cost like 1k gold a turn (i.e. more than you can afford in the early game), almost certainly not worth it unless on a temporary basis (you want to pick up a close ruin for example). There is of course exceptions like baiting into ambushes, but seems like fairly nuanced advice as opposed to a game-wide advice.
@@cressdrg9562 1k extra gold but for a really good unit especially early one, plus if it's a caster being able to start casting powerfull spells by turn 12 is totaly worth it imo.
But yes, maybe it's better to wait a bit to recruit a second lord for some factions who start with really bad starting economy/high level unit like Vlad (minor settlement, 2 vampires heroes and 1 blood knights)
This is a primary tip for Bretonnia, as they don't have supply lines. I always have three lords roaming with my main army. Experience, powerful fighters, loads more chivalry.
Great video! short, concise and straight to the point while giving examples of how you'd use the mechanic to your advantage - you should really make more of these essay/tip & tricks style videos; these are super helpful and entertaining :D
Hahaha thanks fam. I am seriously missing making meme videos though...not sure when I'll do another video like this
That Stronghold: Crusader music hit the nostalgia just right
Lovely video, appreciate you linking longer more in depth videos about arguments that you don't have the time to explore thoroughly. Its an excellent overview and an excellent video
You can hold Ctrl and use the arrow keys to rotate the selected units.
It's useful if you just want to rotate them in place instead of holding Alt, move them from place and then hold Ctrl (while holding Alt) and rotate them.
When you cast moving vortex spells you can direct their initial movement by clicking, holding and dragging the mouse in the certain direction. Releasing the button to cast the spell makes the spell move in the direction you dragged at least initially. Makes Flamestorms that much deadlier.
Yeah I didn't find this one out until Enticity made a video on it
I'm just about wrapped up a Teclis campaign (Chain Lightning spam) and it's bittersweet to hear about this only now. Will have to make use of this on the next broken hero I play :D
Forgot who taught this, but also suspect Legend made a video of this somewhere
As the vampire counts, never underestimate how much ammo you can make the enemy waste by just sending hordes of summoned zombies.
Another pro top for global recruitment: Each building in your empire that can build a certain unit reduces the slightly reduces the global recruitment cost for that unit. This is most noticeable for units that can be built with just a settlement building, such as the basic High Elf spearman and archer.
You used to be able to instantly replenish a hero's hp by detaching and then reattaching them to their army. It's still possible now, but with an extra step: changing mount
ooh, I did not know this
Did you know that if you don’t lose a battle…
you win.
Beary Precise.
@Jon Doe losing the war implies that you lost a settlement/army and therefore lost a battle
Good video! I like the editing and pacing.
Punching Bag Strategy
1. Declare war on a neighboring faction (preferably one that is minor)
2. Steamroll and reduce them to only one settlement (preferably a minor settlement)
3. Repeatedly subject the settlement to siege assaults and victory sackings (WITHOUT occupation or razing)
4. Recover your casualties by encamping or going back to friendly territory
Doing this on every turn will provide your Lords and Heroes with a lot of XP in a short amount of time since a Decisive Victory will always give a set amount of experience to every Lord and Hero that was present after every battle. And if a rebellion occurs as a result of your constant sacking, it's considered another opportunity to gain even more experience. One more bonus is that when playing as Skaven, successful use of this strategy will also provide a steady source of food, making it handy for getting out of starvation and maxing out a settlement upon capture.
I dont really like this
It's more of an oversight than a mechanic and i never use it
It doesn't really make sense
Where are they getting the new guys from? And where is the food coming from? With such a small haul that army farming settlement would've died off from black hunger
This.... feels like cheating
@@kohtalainenalias It's not tho, it's barely optimal actually, since you're sacrificing many turns to do so, turns which can be used to advance your campaign
@@jekytck If you are for example waiting for a recruitment building to be built, it is useful for your army to do literally anything rather than literally nothing.
I actually did this to a skaven faction. I did it so many times until the lord opened diplomacy and said “Please…. You have enough clan slaves already… we make peace now yes?”
The last one about global recruitment is new to me. Nearly 800 hours spent in game and still there's more to learn...
Dont feel bad about that 3,6k hours for me and never even noticed it xD
With the river retreat, note THIS ALSO WORKS IF THERE IS A MOUNTAIN... CA needs to address this as it is one of the mechanics that make no sense
yeah, I forgot about that, it really bamboozled me the first time it happened to me
Great video! I love your clean format, and I love how you link so many other content creators! Keep up the good work!
Thanks!
Seems there is always something to learn, I had no idea about the reduced global recruitment. Nice
Ambush stand is very useful.
- Use it to bait enemy army to attack your weaker army while your main stronger army ambushing nearby in the reinforcement cycle of your weaker army.
- Good way to hide during whatever bad situation you're in.
- Bait enemy army to attack your settlements while ambushing nearby, in case the enemy army refuse to attack because you're nearby.
I actually rarely see the enemy AI go for settlements. I think they'd much rather go for cities
I had heard most of these but the ambush tip is useful and I had no idea about that last one. That will make a big difference.
When I first started playing (on easy/easy) I didn't use the ambush stance either because I got detected so much and thought it was worthless. I also thought vortex spells were useless because why would I risk the very high chance of hitting my own units with it? I never thought of having a wizard run ahead of my army to cast them.. Also in sieges, I didn't know you could destroy the towers for ages. Now, after 6500 hours I'm missile dodging and corner camping my way to victory and I love it.
aw man the last sentence gave me cancer
@@Andi-zg8po they need to nerf missile meta. you corner camp because missiles are too strong, and you missile dodge because missiles are too strong.
8:00 dang I love that video man
Thanks for the video; quick, relevant, helpful, and funny.
Last one was new to me. Thanks!
Thanks for the video. Especially the comments and global recruitment have been helpful.
I'll throw in my own tip: the AI always sees you. *Unless* you go into ambush stance. The AI does not have fog of war and acts accordingly. So when you March away from one border the AI attacks even if they shouldn't know... So never plan based on fog of war. And abuse ambush stance because they completely forget you exist (armies that are running away will come back to attack if you go into ambush).
Not very important but can be confusing for new players, Damage resitance is the same thing as Ward save its just that it was called damage resistance in Warhammer 1 and when putting things from there to Warhammer 2 they didnt see a reason to go back and change the text.
I haven't played WH1 in years, so I completely forgot about that
I have over 3000 hours in this game and did not know about the global recruitment tip at the end. Great stuff man.
What an awesome early Holiday gift for the community!
Happy holidays
Being taught hidden knowledge while being met with a sly cooper theme got me in a great sorta mood, thanks.
Good service to the player base! 👏 And Good for encouraging others to share . I'm a regular LoTW viewer and I enjoy what he teaches about the game so these were revisions for me. I'm still surpirsed more players are not familiar with these mechanics but the company and the warhammer total war franchise has been poor to explicitly mention these mechnics you cover and those other user type in the comments or create videos explaining.
Great video thanks for creating it.
I appreciate it
Very nice insights 👍
Really useful! So, thanks :)
I am late to the party on this, but the scheme of sending a lone lord in force march with a larger army in ambush stance also works for sieges of settlements with powerful garrisons. Siege the settlement with a single lord and leave your army in ambush stance. Not sure if having an additional lone lord in force march would help (literally just thought of it).
If you are too close to the city you cannot go into ambush. But there is a sweet spot that is far enough from the city, and is within reinforcement range. Just be careful not to drop your movement points too much looking for it.
Thanks for the like. Hope you have a great day.
Excellent video! I was aware of most of these, but still had some surprises! The stand outs for me were the specific triggers for followers, and the reduction in global recruitment time for constructing 10 or more of the required building - I had no idea! 😂
Thank a lot for these tips bro.
yo, that last one just fucking blew my mind, 600 hours into WH 2 and I never figured that out.
@Gaming Rambles Amazing Video! This must have taken so much work! So much information jam-packed in, excellent resource for the community, especially newer players
Haha thanks man. Means a lot coming from you
Great video
That global recruitment tip just rocked my fucking world. 1,000+ hours and I had NO idea!
During a battle selecting several units and hold alt left click you can click and drag units
This is extremely useful for me and i was never taught to do this
If you hold Ctrl while holding the Alt key you can rotate the selected units.
And if you just want to rotate them in place just hold Ctrl and use the left/right arrow keys.
You know I use to think ambush stanch was dumb but after playing the skaven when their ambush attack stanch(Don’t remember the name) was broke.Holy crap is ambush ever good
Ambushing also fits the lore of the Skaven.
Also CA recently broke ambush AI completely, so that's nice
Stalk is the name. Alith Anar gets it too.
Karl Franz has a ton of early game ambush opportunities
I literally always ambush skarsnik
Whaaaaat, I've got like 1000 hours across both games and I never knew about the global time going down after placing 10 recruitment buildings!
Ok the 11 th one was very helpfull. I play from warhammer 1 but never knew that :))
1:45 this symbol is probably the most important thing ive learnt about WH2 in the last year. Before your video, could literally not for the life of me work out which units were siege attackers.
I had more tham 1000 hours of game (WH 1 and 2 combined) when I learned that from Legend of Total War.
Love the Kotor cantina touch
Did you actually use the Grim Dawn soundtrack in WH2 video ?
You are a hero.
Merry Christmas 🎄🎁
Hearing those Sly Cooper soundtracks take me back!
Whoa that global recruitment tip is boss…it’s so helpful
4:52 *Vietnam style flashbacks to Stronghold Crusader*
reinforcements confused me to no end in my first campaign, I only figured out having many armies nearby each other and then attacking. I just didn't expect it to work that way so I didn't even bother testing it out for longer than I would like to admit. It was attacking walled cities, to say the least(especially when I had shite armies :P)
There never was a better soundtrack than the Sly Cooper OST's
flying units can jump off walls quite easily.
Only took me about a million hours ingame to learn MOST of this stuff by accident.
It really do be like that sometimes...
That last ones a gamechanger
3 things I learnt randomly and made a diff for me (except the 3rd one, that one is just interesting :) ) while playing: when you hold down right mouse button and don't let go, you can see how much of movement bar your Lord will have after moving which is really good if you play around 25% remaining bar for ambush (and tbh I find ambush so insanely useful that I was super surprised that the achievement on Steam for winning Ambush battles is actually rare, i mean come on ppl why dont you use it? - its really good :D).
Second is that if you get your heroes (and lords prob as well, but not sure right now) on a mount, the upkeep changes. I was stacking heroes in my main army when playing lizards and I suddenly got into -1000+ gold per turn without understanding why and spent decent time figuring out wtf happened in last turn that make my income lower by so much (nothing of course, but the expends got higher :) ) - those dinosaur mounts eats like crazy I guess.
Third one is kind of useless but interesting. When your Vampire hero dies, there is a chance she gets respawned as Banshee :). But of course you really prefer Vampire hero, so don!t suicide them - unless you play Vlad and you have access to recruitment for Vampire earlier than Banshees, because Banshee spawn even when you cant recruit it yet (you still have limit 0/1 for them, and maybe this way you can even exceed the limit, but I am not sure since I did not try to abuse this xD).
Correction, campaign difficulty only affects you as the AI has infinite money. So play on Easy if you want a semi comfortable time as the AI will cheat and the dwarves will eventually come after you.
Also here is a fun yet probably not as obvious fact, if you are playing skaven, the skavenslave slingers are just regular skaven slaves so disable their skirmish and treat them as regular skaven slaves.
Same to skinks with javelins.
You earned an abo!
..abo?
You had me on the global recruitment thing. Mind blown.
Didn't know about the 10 buildings for reducing global recruitment time. Nice to know!
Didn't know heros could sniff out ambushing armies, I thought only other armies could.
Good to know :)
I don't know this for certain but I've heard LOTW say this a few times and I've seen this play out in my own campaigns, so I'm pretty confident about it
okay that Global Recruitment thing is really, really good. will change up some stuff in my playthroughs!
Srsly, that's a real game changer for late game.
like the sly cooper sondtrack in the background
That sly cooper soundtrack in the background ♥️
So I knew all of these already, but I'm way too embarrassed to say how long it took me to figure them out by myself.
Fair enough
I know the game is complicated, but it's honestly really shocking how little it tells you how to play it. It kinda just tosses you in the deep end and nonchalantly says, "Have fun!" I mean, I know how to play the game now and have loads of fun with it, but Goddamn, it took me a while.
Yup. I've got like 900 hours in this game (and I don't claim to be very good) and I'm still learning new things.
can you do a guide how to recruit armies, i mean what to do to lower costs, increase recruit slots, does resources in some cities make it cheaper to recruit some type of units only in that city or globaly etc that would be great
Resource buildings usually provide a factionwide upkeep bonus, but the actual recruit cost reduction and experience of the recruited unit comes from the local region with the resource building
I see you again there, trying to slip that Sly Cooper music by us
Hehe
Just stayed for the music
Pog Champ :D
Wondering how will it all change in game 3? Especially with the Chaos shenanigans coming in.
Same. Im excited to try out Tzeentch
@@gamingrambles Smashing the Ordertide will be a blessing.
Magic tip : When you cast a spell and you interrupt the casting by using an item or an ability, you'll still gain the bonus effect from casting.
Especially good for Vampire lore since the bonus effect is a little Health/Resurrection overtime for nearby allies, did replenish at the end of the battle my full armies while my doggos were chasing the remnants enemie units far for the borders.
It's also good for Death and Beast lore since it's increase the recharge rate, interrupting a spell with an arcane conduit gives better result.
Now, i suggest you to try Vampire counts, recruit a Necrarch bloodline lord and admire the unlimitless powers he releases :)
exploit, not mechanic
@@Andi-zg8po It's up to CA to fix it then, plus AI doesn't care about fairness either when it force march in a settlement and start recruiting in the same turn, or when ai can afford almost 4 full armies with only one settlement remaining
huh new most of these but not the global recruitment one thats really helpful
Love the Sly Cooper music
The game does not tell you how much you can abuse the s*** out of the AI's behaviour when defending in ambush...
number10 waz noice!
Sly Cooper OST, nice
The first one is unknown xD ! ? Man I have been using ambush stance like that for ever its super useful ! And 40 traits ? It's 30 now. I couldn't get more traits yesterday witu my vlad and Isabella campaign after having 30, not 40.
lol, i didn't think the video would give me any advice, but i didn't know the last one
Okay you get a thumbs up for the last one about global recruitment this is gold ! Or Time, but time is money.
this is sly cooper soundtrack, is it not?
Well done.
My wife loves those games.
Watches a Warhammer 2 video....
Hears Kotor Cantina music...
Installs Kotor.
Lmao, maybe I'm bad at promoting WH2 😂
Omg, I wish I knew all of this earlier :')
It do be like that sometimes
I have consistently been going bankrupt fueling my undeletable Boris Toddbringer army and I'm not stopping now!