Warhammer 40K Battle Report: Eldar vs T'au Empire CTS65 2000pts 8th Ed CUT THEM DOWN!
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- Warhammer 40K Battle Report: Eldar vs T'au Empire CTS65 2000pts 8th Ed CUT THEM DOWN!:
In this episode of 'Challenge the Scorpion' Chris Rainey makes a welcome return to the Channel with his Eldar army! He has a new list...and some new units to try out! Arrayed against him will be the
might of the T'au Empire...eager to prove themselves against their Eldar foe! Will the T'au overwhelm the Eldar with their firepower? Or will the Eldar pull off a stylish victory?
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Always happy to see more Eldar, (especially Footdar!)
I must say it is great seeing a game that doesn't use a LoW.... not that I don't like them but it's just refreshing
LoW?
reneg8 lord of war
Ah wraithknights, stormsurges etc.? yeah Although the SS couldhave helped SS here a lot, his overwatchfire is ridiculous.
I know I'm kinda off topic but does anybody know a good website to stream newly released tv shows online ?
@Emerson Chaim Ehh try flixportal. Just google for it=) -camden
Thanks again Luke for a great game and your hospitality. Look forward to a rematch.
Pleasure as always. Yeah looking forward to battling again:)
Your dice are amazing!! Can I ask where you got them? :)
Tomas Högberg - If you mean the Eldar, the dice shop online.com , just look about. Marble effect.
Beautiful Eldar army! How did you do the model for your Autarch? I've been building a Eldar army, and I've been having trouble finding a suitable model for mine.
TheProfessor - Thanks. Old Fine cast model. Standard Dire Avenger gun arm. Dark Eldar pointing arm and the sword is from new Eldrad model.
In this episode of 'Challenge the Scorpion' Chris Rainey makes a welcome return to the Channel with his Eldar army! He has a new list...and some new units to try out! Arrayed against him will be the might of the T'au Empire...eager to prove themselves
against their Eldar foe! Will the T'au overwhelm the Eldar with their firepower? Or will the Eldar pull off a stylish victory?
Excellent report as always! How do I go about getting my Eldar to challenge the T'au?
Very dynamic Eldar play! Well done. Way to punish the static T'au tactics.
Enjoyed the battle report. Aggressive Eldar. Those broadsides were brutal in overwatch. Thanks for sharing.
Nice game! I thought that aggressive Eldar play was going to be his downfall but they held onto victory. Great report
Love the look of these Eldar! This looks like it will be a really good fight!
well- epic, one of the best BR I have seen on the channel, the tide of battle was switching turn after turn, and the mass infantry battle was great...my brain was almost not able to picture all the fight goin on! Thx for sharing !!
Glad you enjoyed it!:)
good game, your luck will turn sooner or later Luke, enjoyed the game it was nice to see the Eldar have a good outing and not to see any LoW's in the game either
This was a very enjoyable bat-rep. NIce back and forth and intense fighting all across the board. Chris Eldar are so awesome looking. The paint scheme and paint jobs are just fantastic, really hope to see him on again. I really loved his list too I liked the way he played his Wraithblades too. Saving lightning fast reactions till the Serpent blew was really smart. Great stuff gotta have Chris on again. Go Eldar!
Yes was a great game from start to finish! Yeah some great play from Chris...which caught me off guard I think...wasn't expecting a full frontal assault and he exectuted it with style!:)
Volley fire isn’t per model. It says: models in units within 6” any friendly cadre fireblade...The unit has to be 6” away and and models within that unit get the extra shot.
If I am a model, in a Unit, and that unit is within 6” away from a fire blade, I get an extra shot.
If thats the case that makes volley fire even better. I'll double check!:)
Anthony Ellison - yes "models" in units within the range. Not "units" in range. It's basic English. So those models in range appose to units in range as formally worded by GW.
no negative wrong. models within units that are 6" away. thats like saying people in cars that are 6" away. the unit is 6" away and models within that unit get the buff. its basic english
if it only meant models it would just say models. The way you are reading is that only models that are part of units get the aura. so other fire blades around them wouldn't because they are not a model in a unit. it does not say models that are 6" away.
@@anthonyellison6081 - A single model, as per your example is a unit as per the rules. So they would get it. Mind you the model you picked has the ability anyway. Regardless look at the old wording of the rule to the new wording. One says units in 6" the other points out specifically models. Why change the wording between the books if the rule hasn't changed?
I'm dreaming of battle reports in 4K - it will be great for immersion)
Late seeing this cant wait to watch some TAU! :O nearly finished painting up my first start collecting box of them. Went for a desert Rats Theme. Love the content!!
great game I love mass infantry battles thanks strikingscorpion82 :)
Tut tut, need those firing matrix on the eldar tanks, lotta missed damage there.
its painful to watch a fellow Tau commander fail to re-roll ones to hit when he has marker lights on the target unit
Yea, I was cringing at that too
Yeah need to remember that otherwise it can cost me dearly!:)
agreed good sir
:)
59:55 that must have felt gloriously vengul. One of my best friends plays Tau so i find myself facing the blueberries quite a lot in both casual and very competitive games. Thankfully we have a store with a 100+ person group so anyone can play against pretty much any army you want even relatively obscure ones. I've learned to operate under the principle of... lets call it "accepted sacrifice" when charging Tau haha. Pretty much the only units i have that can just shrug off even a mighty Tau overwatch is my Veteran bikers or the captain/ librarian they travel with i can make either of em t6 with a 2+/3+, points willing i take an apothecary. Because even if he brings 1 guy back or heals my captain/ librarian 2 wounds he's paid for points wise. *Flesh is Weak!*
if your impatient step away now. So if he brings back 2 guys or heals my captain 3-5 wounds holy moly is he paid for, (plus i don't even take him on a bike i just have him spring behind them... its fast enough, because i can ALWAYS just move him before the bikes in the movement phase so he can on average still get 9" of movement a turn, my bikes are melee oriented so either i do get so far ahead I've broken into my opponents back line in which case the apothecaries services clearly arn't needed if im doing so well. Or they have to charge the vanguard/ stay back and mow down cheap infantry. 5 vet bikers The librarian and the captain 5 storm bolters between them, plus their twin bolters from the bike 48 shots and if their close like that my 15 intercessors will be firing 30 more shots 22 models totally capable of dealing with Hordes/ single tough enemies/ and the in between is even easier imo.
I'd argue thats the "core" of my army. 3 predators is nice especially with a easy to make battalion of either 3x5 man standard marine squads, and a couple techmarines for repairing those predators Plus i just take a captain put him in the back make him my chapter master and get re-roll hits for pretty much all my big hitters. or an imperial guard battalion if your really looking for extra clearing hoard power mixed with high single shot power. 4x8 Cadians 1 lascannon operated by the last 2 men, 2 commanders chainsword and bolt pistol (its free) all squads with vox 320 points of badass and you can clip 80 points by cutting the vox and getting rid of one squad. no one will read this but at least i finished my fucking thought without having to abbreviate.
Enjoyed this game love the eldar and was interesting to see mainly footdar I like the style.
Would be cool to see asurmen join that list!
Shame the tau were defeated hopefully the rematch can go your way hey 😅
On turn one when the Eldar player moved his wave serpent into the middle of all those fire warriors, you should have used the fire warriors to encircle the wave serpent, so when the wave serpent was destroyed all of the wraith blades also would have been destroyed as they could not disembark outside of an inch from enemy models
Alex Brown I hate this tactic so much
Especially with venoms and gaunts
Alex Brown - Yeah it was a big risk. Thankfully Luke didn't pick up on it and encircle vehicle.
Calm down satan
The Wave Serpent would have been removed and the Wraith Blades placed where it was. The whole unit would not be wiped out unlike in previous editions where wrecked vehicles compel the occupants to get out from the access points.
Nguyên Hoàng but if the vehicle is completely surrounded, the entire unit is dead
Love the colour of the eldar
Really nice game and absolute stunning Tau army.
Loving the look of your T'au army and the quality of the painting is phenomenal.
Could you share how you created the base please?
Thanks. Full tutorial for my Urban basing is on the channel:)
Some mistakes were made but not worth pointing out. At one point he rolled a 5+ armor save, and forgot to roll his 5+ fortune save afterwards. Basic stuff that always gets missed. All in all a fun battle report with nicely painted models, and a great table. I was honestly surprised as when I first saw the forces I pretty much gave Tau the win. I kind of cringe at "Alaitoc" though it's a great army tactic BUT since the new codex came out it's the only tactic I've seen used besides myself who runs Iyanden. Admittedly -1 to hit outside of 12" across the board is probably the best Eldar tactic for any army not specifically built to take advantage of the other tactics.
Brilliant watch! Always love an Eldar victory I must say whether it be your army Luke or your opponents. Bring back the riptide to your T'au army or perhaps 2 ;)
Thanks. Yeah may see the Riptide return:)
Man I would love to get into this game. I've watched so many of your vids. I just can never find anyone in my area that plays. But anyways thanx for the good content
Drizzit Dounder whereabouts do you live?
Colorado
Is there a games workshop nearby? Failing that a hobby shop? You could meet like minded individuals there.
I love this hobby you meet awesome people play epic games, hell I even make alot of money from painting for people from the hobby.
Hopefully you can get into it man and experience the epic game.
Beautiful looking Elder
What a great non cheese Eldar army more of these please.
been awhile but damn i love your terrain set ups...
Cool list. All those fire warriors really take up all the anti-infantry you’ll ever need. Great heavy support backing them up and some good safe market lights and drones for survivability.
I definitely will be trying to apply your vision to my 3000k list!
Glad you like the list!:)
StrikingScorpion82 when you failed to kill the transport, should have shot your fire warriors at infantry. Would have done a lot of damage.
Yes would have been a good idea!:)
Interesting match. Im a tau player and this is not the sort of force i tend to go for (i go mostly battlesuits for mobility) so interesting to see a completely different perspective . Id like to get into hammerheads but their 7 toughness and lack of invulns or access to savior protocols puts me off them. I honestly think that tau vs any -1 to hit armies have a an immediate and devastating disadvantage so you did well to hold out as well as you did.
Thanks for the feedback:)
Glad to see someone using Railsides! Missilesides don't do it for me.
Shane Hudson they work well with the right support if your vehicle meta is t7 or less
They work best as singles in a Sa'Cea detachment. It brings their hit rate effectively up to 68.75%, which is better than BS 3+. Otherwise you're better off going with Missile-sides.
Riptides for T6 and 7and Railtides for anything else. Plus railtides are best looking models in the army IMHO. Gun looks OP.
Hejdun Seeing as Tau have so very few ways to deal mortal wounds, it's the superior option imo.
Those gray Fire Warriors on the front squad when you're showing the army off to start. Is that the same scheme as the rest just without the orange and less white? Is that Administratum Gray that's showing up mostly?
Serious question: Were you deliberately trying to avoid winning (bringing 3 railheads against eldar) or do you just don't own any riptides? If so it would be good to buy one or two for the channel.
Is the 6’ x 4’ mats the standard size for 40K? Was going to look into getting one but don’t know what the “regulation” size of a warhammer 40k playing surface was.
Emerson Galezki-Sebek - Yeah pretty much.
Great game as usual guys the Tau are a solid force and the hammer heads are really tough again. Love the paint scheme on the eldar they look really cool. Cheers.
Yes I have high hopes for this Tau force!:)
Northern Irish accent is immediately recognisable.
This batrep saved me from starting a Tau army instead of an Eldar army!
Rail Gun is so terrible. Damage output of 1-6 +1-3 means 1-9 potential damage with only one shot. Overcharged Ion cannon is 3-18 damage, which is basically twice the output with up to six shots. GW needs to fix the Rail Gun, which can't even kill a Rhino with the best possible roll.
Afngary Ham generally this batrep really showed why broadsides are horrible. They did next to nothing the entire battle....
It's called a white elephant
Isn’t the broadside rail rifle Heavy 2? Which means it can one shot a rhino or predator. You max out at 14 damage with it
And to add, broadsides get savior protocols and greater good
Oh! You are talking about the hammerheads. Yup, useless
I am stopping it at the 15min mark to make a prediction. The Eldar will win by turn 5. The -1 army wide will severely hinder the ability of the Tau to actually hurt them. If the army was BS 3+ instead of 4+ I would say the Tau would not have to work super hard for a win. I will check back at the end of the video to see if I was right.
Its always great to see somee Tau getting ripped apart, especially by Eldar
Those Eldar are beautiful!
Yes Chris has painted them well:)
Awesome game guys, I really loved it. Especially loved seeing the eldar win. This particular eldar list really showed off the raw power of mass shuriken fire with psychic support. Wave serpents are always reliable. I didn't love the smattering of bright lances throughout as a primary source of anti tank, they just aren't very efficient considering the penalty for moving. I really like the eldar list overall, but if I were to make a few minor suggestions, I'd say include asurmen with all those dire avengers, he's an absolute beast in combat, and he grants all the dire avengers a 4++. I'd either get a second farseer in there for guide and doom, or I'd switch the powers of the one, guide and doom is much better overall than fortune and executioner, in my opinion. Finally I'd convert all the bright lances to shuriken and add a crimson hunter exarch or two, they natively re roll 1's and with alaitoc are pretty much always a -2 to hit. Possibly convert the fire dragons into two more fire prisms is another route you could take, as the linked fire stratagem is just incredible. But overall I think the core of the list is great. The more and more I watch this particular kind of tau list, the more I'm convinced that the key to beating it is just to destroy all the infantry and drones, which are very flimsy, then play to objectives. Trying to kill there powerful battle suits and tanks often seems like a fools errand, they're extremely inefficient against infantry, don't move plus shoot well, and are not meant for objective grabbing and holding. I think if you take out all the flimsy support chaff, then play keep away, there's really little they can do tactically. Honestly speaking, the tau player, using tau sept, wants you to throw fire power at there big guns, and try and assault them. There most powerful abilities are savior protocols, for the greater good mass overwatch, and overwatch on 5's. If you try to take all three of those elements away from there gameplan, they become very weak.
Peter Almo - Working on my other Fire Prisms. Don't have the Phoenix Lord, but he would have helped alot. I can only field what's painted and I like to mix it up and keep it fresh for Luke and the viewers.
I’ve found doom and executioner are great! Jinx/conceal are two warlock powers that are awesome as well
phaseadept78 to be clear, guide, doom, fortune, and executioner are all great from the rules of fate. But if you press me to only have two, I'm almost always going with guide and doom before I take fortune and executioner. I could possibly see going doom and executioner if you have a lot of re rolls built in in other places, like autarchs or Biel tan. But basically I would never leave home without doom lol.
all this realy did is show alatoc cheese
hartzaden 8th edition has minuses to hit across a lot of different armies, I'm assuming you're considering any minus to hit from any unit "cheese"? Sounds like you just have an issue with 8th edition in general, and not alaitoc in particular.
Also i find it funny that admech which are canonicly less advanced than the tau have much better fire power with the neutron laser
28:42 I've not watched the results and paused, but why did the breachers and firewarriors not form a circle around the wraithguard wave serpent to 'close-hatch' the unit and auto kill it if shooting kills their transport?
yeah could have tried to do that!:)
how did you shoot that hero? i thought you couldn't target hero's under 10 wounds while their amidst allies.
Tau are useless vs -1 to hit armies like Alaitoc, maybe more markerlights and a burstide could have helped to stop the rush. well batrep as always
I had a frustrating game playing my Tau against a Kronos Tyrannid army with Malanthrope support. I had a load of markerlights and still could hardly do anything; it's embarrassing that the Tyrannids can shoot better than the Tau.
Its embarrassing that GW poster boys aka space marines are one of the worst codexes out there :D
IKR I have nids too, and yes, kronos army with dakkafexes and artillery creatures can delete a tau army with the support of venomtrophes and malantrophes. The greather good is hard to expand!
Mateusz Pelc amen to that. I still have people groan if I want to play guilliman. It's not even that strong anymore 😬
Don't you have to roll 2+ for drone saviour protocols?
TheUbikator yes, but only since the cider dropped
It was pretty obvious which army would win lol. At least the Tau were painted better ;)
How does list building work for tournament play? I know vaguely about the rule of 3, but can someone explain it better?
I may be misremembering; but when you rolled some ones to hit on one of the wave serpents... maybe it was the fire prism. You had marker lights on the target. May not have changed much but I still get sad when t'au take an L. That having been said the last time i commented you pointed out saviour protocols don't work on vehicles, so I'm ready for my next lesson. Love the content!
Yes I think I forgot to re-roll 1s that time...thanks for pointing out!:)
very nice battle report dude!! where do you find your palm trees? @StrikingScorpion82
thanks! I make them myself...there is a full tutorial on how to make them on the channel in the terrain videos section:)
ty very much !
No problem:)
I was also wondering which sept rules the tau were using in this game, because if you bring Longstrike in your brigade detachment it should be t´au sept if you want to use his abilities on the other hammerheads. I was wondering what your thoughts are about it because I am busy building my army and I haven´t decided yet about which sept colours I am going to use.
Nvm, I found the answer in your army overview video: ua-cam.com/video/RkCT-97WXbg/v-deo.html. So it is T'au sept
ok cool:)
This list needs way more marker lights.
Might it be worth taking a unit or 2 of kroot in place of some fire warriors? Just to give a slight layer of melee defense against the faster armies out there?
Just dropped the Kroot from the list as they get blown away so easily!:)
Hi there, I'm keen to know where you got the palm trees etc? They look great with this mat.
I made them myself. Full tutorial on how to make them on the Channel:)
More markerlights!!! Just my opinion, but markerlight usage should be so prevalent that you're thinking 're-roll ones' as the base condition. Noticed you forgot some of those re-rolls :'(
Anyway, excellent vid as always, mate. Everything is beautiful. But my humble suggestion is to take your markerlighting more seriously in 8th edition. And to bring more of it
OK good suggestion...thanks!:)
Your eldar army could use some www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-EU/Shadow-Spectres-Aspect-Warrior-Squad
"Shadow spectres have two weapon profiles, they can either fire as an 18'' Assault 1 S6 AP-3 D1, which makes an additional attack for every hit for a maximum of 3 hits per initial hit (they have BS 3+) OR 8" auto-hit assault D6 S5 AP-1 (basically a heavy flamer).
They can move 12" (and any unit firing at them always suffers a -1 to BS, units within 6" have -1 Ld, AND they have a 3+ save.
ALL FOR 23 POINTS EACH
Oh and the exarch has a weapon which does an additional mortal wound against vehicles on a wound roll of 4+, or D3 mortal wounds on a 6+ "
Every game I see online people always give certain units way more wounds than they actually have, my Codex Tau says Hammerheads have 3 wounds, not 13, do I have an old one or something?
Never mind, I have checked the books date and I think I've been missold a 7th edition.....don't buy warhammer on ebay
why do the warlock and spiritseer have 2 powers each? they only get 1 plus smite.
All warlock powers come with two different uses, each counting as a separate psychic power. So although they have six choices as standard, there are 12 powers in total.
47:18 can they disembark from the wave serpent if its in melee?
yes...if there is room to disembark:)
@@StrikingScorpion82 nice nice, damn friend who taught me the game has been cheating against me, bastard lol
You'll know for next time;)
34:05
That only works on units that have the fly keyword.
Ole Hinn - Are you refering to the Lightening fast reflex stratagem? If so it works on fly or infantry keyword. Wraithguard and wraithblades have infantry keyword.
Cats Pyjamas
Really? Could have sworn it was only for fly keyword, but I don't own the codex, so you may know better than me? O.o
Ole Hinn - 100% sure. I guess it's to allow likes of Banshee to avoid hits. Odd that the dead can do it.
It brings me great joy to watch Xeno scum tear each other to pieces instead of plaguing imperial worlds.
On turn one instead of backing away from the wave serpent you should have surrounded it exactly 1.5 in out and than blown it up he would have lost all the wraith blades in it because he would not have been able to place the models.
Damn, he could of killed the fireblade turn 1 if he shot Illic Nightspear
Nicky Hudson - Hadn't taken him in the list, but he would have cleaned house for sure.
Ah i thought i saw him behind those snipers, but yeah him with some snipers can pick of some key targets when it comes to weak leaders.
Nicky Hudson - Just a converted model using his sculpt.
lol
Dude, you should have surrounded the first wave serpent with firewarriors/breachers, so when the transport is wrecked the unit inside becomes destroyed since it has to be further than 1" from the enemy. you could have killed two units with one blow! Page 183 rulebook - 1st roll for models slain (on a 1), then! he has to disembark before the model is removed, and any model that is within an 1" is slain since it cannot be set on the board.
Also you completely forgot about the re-rolling 1's because of the first markerlight a few times, against both wave serpents.
Fernando Labarthe - Actually you disembark then roll for those killed one a "1". The Harlequins have a relic that prevents this.
Which sept was he using?
Tom Carlton - TAU, that's how he could take Long Strike.
Hmm, can the broadsides retreat and shoot?
Potatius - I don't believe they did. I had hoped to reach H2H and lock them up but my initial strike was killed in over watch.
Cats Pyjamas the dire avengers did get into h to h on two broadsides right before getting blasted to oblivion didn’t they?
That was a massacre :( very sad because I play Tau. In my humble opinion, you need loads more marker lights to ensure you get 5 hits on targets of priority each turn. Railsides damage output is just atrocious, so for the points you paid for them I’d bring a burst tide and also an ion tide. Tanks are also bad because they can’t take advantage of the major benefit of the Tau, savior protocols. Bring enough shield drones and your suits will live to fight on. Also the fusion blaster commander is bad in comparison to the CIbmander. The CIB is arguably the best weapon in the entire game for the points; one commander with 3 overcharged has the potential to deal out 27 damage alone! Get a lone marker on his targets and go to town. Think about it :)
I get it though. I’ve watched your tactica videos and know you love the rail gun, tanks, and hammerheads. It’d be nice to see a proper tau army devastate the enemy though :D
Thanks for all the suggestions! Good points you have made!:)
StrikingScorpion82 you're welcome! I absolutely love your videos by the way so please keep putting out the great content. Much love from America :)
Ok cool! Glad you enjoy the videos!:)
Guys, pls stop posting the results in the comments.
Shouldn't be able to reroll a 2+ hit roll. If you miss on 2+ it should just be a miss.
Who else don´t buy 7 measly rangers being"fluffy" :)
I don't agree with fielding units of guardians with brightlances. Why would you pay 145 point for a stationary brightlance or even 250 point for 2 bright lances. The guardians should not be tied to a heavy weapon but should move ahead of the dire avengers who have 18" range anyway.
And with the list and the tactics used, alaitoc was a poor choice. If you´re going to play suicidal dire avengers like that, you might as well be biel tan and reroll the potential 112 "1"s per turn or even ultwé.
The wave serpents are not my cup of tea either and I just don´t buy into the hype. 2 wave serpents are a lot of points you could use for other things. For example another unit of wraithguard. I believe Eldar are the only ones fancy enough to ride dedicated transports that are often more expensive than the units inside.
The 3 command points you can use to deepstrike 2 squads are fantastic. Eldar players can give their opponent a lot to think about in turn 2 if played well.
I am a bit surprised that Tau list couldn´t beat that eldar list. But mistakes were made and the dice gods punished the Tau commander for not using the laser pointers correct.
Andreas Fris - ok lets keep with the models I have firstly. So whatever you "think" suits doesn't really add up against what I own and is painted. If it was a wish list I'd have a dozen war walkers.
The choice of craftworld was based upon taking a 4+ hit roll and making it 5+ at range. Considering Tau are a "shooting" army that's a safe bet.
" Victory requires no explanation. Defeat allows none"
Fair enough. If that´s litterally every model you have, then my comment was totally useless.
Andreas Fris - Not a useless comment but I can only field what I have. I do disagree with alot of your points however. More Wraitguard in place of transports? They have a 12 inch threat range. Would just have been shot to bits. Guardians with BL are cheap anti-armour option and with the fearless bubble is a great tarpit.
I see. You´re right. Having Dire Avengers club your opponent to death with their shuriken catapults is a solid tactic against any army.
Andreas Fris - locking down an enemy unit so if it falls back it can't shot is solid. Fighting an enemy who hits in HH on 5+ and wounds on 4+ with one attack is better than him rapid firing at 4+ wounding 3+ yeah all solid tactics.
Your rolls were really bad when they needed to just roll a 3+
Ah another tau commander using sub optimal units an strategies to avoid the dreaded "cheese". Really it makes tau look like the most ungodly awful army. You have ONE phase where tau are allowed to actually play and they just constantly get fucked because all the buffs and debuffs getting slung around. Plus ffs all the eldar bright lances are totally just tau tech the eldar gave a make over. (Especially the stupid gun little floating gun platforms)