Justify Your Existence. I'll Wait. - Colorful iGame AIO
Вставка
- Опубліковано 27 тра 2024
- Try FreshBooks free, for 30 days, no credit card required at www.freshbooks.com/linus
Pre-order Jackery's new Solar Generator 1000 Pro at geni.us/f8IWq
Get 10% off with code LinusTechTips at amzn.to/3cUzGXE
Colorful released an AIO PC with a huge display for $2000. Not an outrageous price, but is it really a good idea to put laptop hardware in a desktop setting? At such a large screen size, is it even portable or tastefully small on your desk? And just how long until the components and the 32" screen attached to them are basically all e-waste?
Discuss on the forum: linustechtips.com/topic/14529...
Buy a Colorful igame: geni.us/KaKhuAQ
Buy an Intel Core i7-12700: geni.us/lPf1M
Buy a Noctua NH-L9i: geni.us/TwK3q
Buy an ASRock B660M ITX: geni.us/kLceMV
Buy a kit of Corsair Vengeance PLX 16GB 3200mhz: geni.us/fbhGPJ
Buy a WD Blue SN570: geni.us/K93dhY
Buy an MSI Geforce RTX 3060 12GB Aero ITX: geni.us/HRGl
Buy a Corsair SF750 80+ Platinum: geni.us/ghLF
Buy a Gigabyte M32Q 31.5" Monitor: geni.us/gl52g
Purchases made through some store links may provide some compensation to Linus Media Group.
► GET MERCH: lttstore.com
► SUPPORT US ON FLOATPLANE: www.floatplane.com/ltt
► AFFILIATES, SPONSORS & REFERRALS: lmg.gg/sponsors
► PODCAST GEAR: lmg.gg/podcastgear
FOLLOW US
---------------------------------------------------
Twitter: / linustech
Facebook: / linustech
Instagram: / linustech
TikTok: / linustech
Twitch: / linustech
MUSIC CREDIT
---------------------------------------------------
Intro: Laszlo - Supernova
Video Link: • [Electro] - Laszlo - S...
iTunes Download Link: itunes.apple.com/us/album/sup...
Artist Link: / laszlomusic
Outro: Approaching Nirvana - Sugar High
Video Link: • Sugar High - Approachi...
Listen on Spotify: spoti.fi/UxWkUw
Artist Link: / approachingnirvana
Intro animation by MBarek Abdelwassaa / mbarek_abdel
Monitor And Keyboard by vadimmihalkevich / CC BY 4.0 geni.us/PgGWp
Mechanical RGB Keyboard by BigBrotherECE / CC BY 4.0 geni.us/mj6pHk4
Mouse Gamer free Model By Oscar Creativo / CC BY 4.0 geni.us/Ps3XfE
CHAPTERS
---------------------------------------------------
0:00 intro
0:54 Specs
2:20 Gaming
3:46 Internals
7:30 Price
8:45 Who's Buying?
9:55 Alternatives
11:38 Problems
12:20 Conclusion
14:00 Outro - Наука та технологія
Man, I was getting so sad about how everything has become and out of nowhere I get a notification saying " justify your existence. I'll wait" 💀
Lmao dude keep pushing tho!
I thought I was getting called out
Stolen comment lol
Man, I was getting so sad about how everything has become and out of nowhere I get a notification saying " justify your existence. I'll wait" 💀
"I didn't choose to be born Dad... You need better pull out game. That is my justification for existing." The thing I bet most thought at some point.
I feel that this could be just slightly thicker with some big heatsinks and some top fans. Then it could run full desktop hardware while not taking much more room and have much better temps, plus much more ease for upgradability and serviceability. It is definitely an odd product.
maybe they couldve used low profile noctuas itll prolly be way quieter
@1 Million With 0 Videos Challenge (day 2) Heres some words of wisdom from a wise man. "Oh My God! Who the hell cares?"
@@TypicalNerds You are indeed a wise man 👌
Comparing the hardware to an open bech setup is pretty much pointles considering how much airflow impacts temperatur.
Yeah, but that wouldn’t look as sexy on a TV ad that starts with an Intel Inside logo now, would it? Most companies selling AIOs don’t much care about performance when the basic idea of a slick looking AIO is enough to sell systems to most people.
I would definitely like to see a more high-end AIO though, but I just don’t think there’s a big enough market for it when compared with the more casual and corporate markets that AIOs are currently selling to.
Honestly, this would be kinda interesting if it had some sort of HDMI input which would mean the fairly decent screen wouldn't immediately go to waste when the PC hardware gets out of date.
My old all-in-one Lenovo B520 from 2011 actually has this feature
My monitor has this feature.
It would be better for the environment, but still it would be more expensive than a PC/NUC/laptop with a separate monitor.
@@jimmyfuchstein2274 5ms measured... The only monitors really lower than that are OLED.... see hardware unboxed: ua-cam.com/video/jRzGvkqSNaI/v-deo.html
@@sovo1212 it'd much rather use a Nuc than this solution 😅trap it to the back of a monitor and you have a nice system you can replace parts of when it fails. Seems like a good solution for a work pc.
Good to see you get the benefits of laptop fan noise too!
I like your logo
Any chance you'll get the MinisForum NUC X15? ETAPrime's more on emulation than more PC benchmarks so I'm hoping both of you will test and review that for PC and more noise to performance data.
Bruh 💀
big fan here Jarrod! Keep it up
I'd looked into AIOs like this before, and considered DIY'ing one myself using an old laptop to use as a side PC. This item is very likely made for people who want the clean setup of an iMac, but want the benefit of a native Windows / PC environment. Combine this AIO with a wireless keyboard, mouse, and headset. You'll have a rather extreme example of desk cable management that has some FPS-pushing capability.
Ultimately, this is a form over function design to me. It has a very niche market, and limited reach. The reason enthusiasts have trouble validating its existence is simply because it wasn't made for enthusiasts.
@@09f9 I was gonna say, like why buy this with the price point for the gpu most likely being the main factor, and not being able to actually use it to its full potential. pairing hardware that barely suits it is questionable at best if the designers know what they are doing.
Even AIOs have no business being so crippled in an era where low profile cooling components are a reality...90 degree mounts on waterblocks for both the CPU and GPU could render a marginally larger chassis whilst providing insane amounts more performance. Hell, my Velka 7 looks similar in volume and can hold and sustain an aircooled 3080...
@@09f9 Absolutely agreed. This unit certainly feels like it falls into a category of "The target market is not who it's actually for." It's really hard to place it into anyone's hands squarely, really. Like I said, this is for a tiny subset of people who want an iMac but don't want to buy an Apple.
@@ALmaN11223344 My thoughts exactly. Zotac's been handing out really neat little NUC units with top end graphics for years. Why wouldn't I just strap one of those to the back of a monitor and call it a life?
like i get it if it's a low powered i5 for school/work environment
but with that kind of spec, isn't a bit of a waste to not only lose on performance but also portability
it's like the worst of both world
Free idea for laptop / AIO manufacturers similar to that "rage mode" have a BIOS option for "CHE mode". CHE (Cat Hair Eject) mode does the same thing as rage mode on the fans, but runs them in reverse to blow debris back out of your air coolers. 🙂
ASUS had this on some GPUs a ways back. GPU fans would spin in reverse for 10 seconds or something upon power on to help get rid of dust or some other guff.
@@PeterRahilly neat
Really wish more fans did this.
the next einstein right here.
Pretty much every fan slot I've seen on modern desktops have a place for a filter anymore.....
I just have to say that I am so appreciative of channels like LTT, GamersNexus, JayzTwoCents, Greg Salazar, Bitwit, and Paul's Tech Tips for giving us so much valuable training and information. I have saved so much money and gained so much confidence in building and repairing my own PCs. I live in a country which is among the hardest languages to learn ( Slovak), so I am pretty much on my own when trying to source components and make my builds/repairs. I can happily say that I am fully confident in my abilities and was considering starting my own pc build shop before a certain large country invaded a certain smaller country who we happen to share a border with and sent prices of everything to the moon.
Anyway, I have upgraded, repaired and built my own PCs thanks to the good-natured and enthusiast-supportive information from these channels; and I'd like to say thank you for sharing your knowledge with the rest of us. You really are making the world a better place, one video at a time.
Good call on the cybercafe thing, most seats with larger than 27" screen would be equipped with top tier hardware for people to stream from and such.
The rest would still have better specs than this AiO, and be connected to a 24" monitor because esport tryhards don't like playing csgo on a large display.
"desktop is desktop, laptop is laptop" best quote
Edit: Thanks for the likes guys! most like I have ever gotten! 978!
Unless you are Apple, then you make a AIO workhorse, also a cute one at that.
@1 Million With 0 Videos Challenge (day 2)
Begone bot
Don't forget that math is math
"it is what it is"
Rev. Jeremiah Seinfeld
I got really emotional at that part.
This is oddly very much popular in office settings where you need a decent computational power, but always be plugged in and only be used in one place. Like editing booths in tv stations
Sounds like a terrible idea, because as Linus said, under a sustained high load it either thermal throttles or gets louder than a hairdryer
Welll, editing video probably not. But editing scripts, visual assets... Sure.
This would be very popular on Internet Cafes if those were still around
@1 Million With 0 Videos Challenge (day 2) ok i wont
@@marvcyber815 Not really the fact that you have to throw away the monitor too with the PC once the PC is too old to play the popular games means they have to spend more money than necessary. It makes poor business sense even if some business do it just for the uncluttered look.
I can see this being useful for a design lab at a college or something like that. Good for beginner designer or CAD work.
8:20 Loving that lamp on the right 👍
I actually think an all in one is geared toward people like my wife that sit their laptop on a small desk or table and never move it or unplug it. She doesn’t have the space in her setup for a full desktop, nor does she want it. I think an AIO like this would be a good middle ground
what kind of desks are you people using that you can't put a mid tower under it somewhere to wards the back?
@@gamergod9182 really laying on the condescension pretty thick
@@gamergod9182 sounds like youve never lived in a small apartment or rented a room in a house.
AIO's are really good for that.
@@formdoggie5 confirming as a renter in NYC, space is at a premium, and while laptops are more all in one, they have their own issues such as clumsy spills completely disabling a keyboard, and the fact that if you leave a battery plugged in long enough it might balloon out of control, both of which happened to my xps 13 when it became my dedicated workstation during the pandemic. I bought an AIO to replace it because 24" and decent webcam and used it mostly just to remote into my desktop at work. Unfortunately it didn't have a strong enough GPU to play some mmos to help pass the time so like many others I settled on playing Animal Crossing.... for what felt like forever, as I watched in horror GPU prices become increasingly gross.
But then again, it’s 32”, it’s gonna take a lot of space either way
5:00 he made it very difficult for himself, everyone’s first instinct when repairing a large display is to put it display side on the table so it doesn’t wobble around and the display itself can’t be damaged by accident
Putting it display down first would greatly increase the risk of ripping out the cable for the wireless charging when you removed the base. All of the force would be on the base of the stand since the monitor can't tilt far enough to lay flat when face down. The second you detach the base, all of that weight will shift to the vertical part of the stand and it will drop, potentially ripping out the cable. And you could say "Well, just hold it when you remove it!" and you would be correct, but 1 handing the removal is also pretty risky since you are putting a lot more force into one hand and over pulling it is a big risk once it detaches. He simply played it safe.
unless you have an iMac
@@TheChemizzle It's not clear to me that the base must be removed. He unscrewed it first, but it looks like the access panel for the internals would come off just fine with it attached.
@@TheChemizzle he could've just waited with removing the base and flip it first lol.
@@chestergregg8668 The panel can't come off with the base on, for starters you need to put your hand inside in order to pull it outwards, secondly the front panel has clips that go into the base. (Visible at 5:46)
Some points I think need to be made:
- speccing out and building an actual SFF PC (getting everything to fit and not overheat) is at least one tier above building your own PC in a regular case; Linus did eventually touch this point, but very lightly, personally, I think that it's not for at least 90% of people out there; you could have someone else do it for you, but then it's more cost and there's also a matter of maintaining it.
- you measured the performance of your "SFF build" on an open test bench (so, very likely, better thermals, and, not unlikely, better performance than if it were to be run in an actual SFF case);
- a gaming oriented SFF PC, as small as it is, is still a decently sized additional box to have around, which may be undesirable for this product's target audience
- with an SFF, you would probably have more upgradeability; that said, RAM and storage would likely be at least as painful to upgrade as here; CPU? One of your options would be AM4, which, after many years and generations, is finally approaching EoL; the other option is Intel. So, CPU upgradeability on an SFF is more of a maybe than a yes; also, the future CPU would have to fit not only inside the same socket, but have similar cooling requirements as well; the GPU would be a clear win for the SFF, though (provided that power requirements don't go up significantly).
- Why not get a laptop? Well, if you want portability, get one; if you want ergonomics of a proper 32" monitor on a stand and a PC that you will use in your home, then a laptop is not it. This is for people who want an almost proper PC in their home, but have limited space or want something that will fit in their living room. Also, for someone in a small space, at 32", this can double as their TV.
Regarding the performance, I agree that 1440p is stretching the hardware, although I would imagine that, at slightly lower settings, the 3060M will be able to push the pixels quickly enough for some time. I have an RX 580 8GB and I recently switched to a 1440p display and I've been pleasantly surprised so far; granted, I haven't tried Cyberpunk, but the likes of, say, AC Valhalla or Stray, not a problem apparently, so I guess that this isn't too bad either. This question is what makes or breaks the system, as a gaming system that can't actually game is a flop, but something that will tear through eSports, with high framerates and has a large HRR display to boot, and that will also do other titles, as long as you're willing to make some compromises (downgrading from very high or ultra settings, using DLSS, accepting that you can enjoy a game without a 60fps lock, which, as someone born in the mid 80s who grew up on a budget I certainly do) is a viable option. It's worth mentioning that all of the alternatives offered in the video either offer similar performance, cost more, or both.
It can be argued that a 27" 1080p version may have made more sense. It would have been cheaper and less big, making it more suited at some of the use cases mentioned in the video, and it would allow the GPU to push more frames with higher settings at native res. On the other hand, the 32" do mean that you could seat two people in front of it, each with their own controller, more comfortably than if it were 27", and the same goes for small space, doubling as a TV scenario that I previously mentioned.
Overall, I don't think that it's a bad product. Not for everyone for sure, but there are niches within which it makes sense.
When these had HDMI inputs, they still retained some kind of usefulness. There were always concepts that companies had shown that even had some of these when a spot for an upgradable desktop class gpu via external facing pcie 16x slot. Those never really saw the light of day though.
What if framework did products like this. Upgradable motherboards & GPU's on OLED monitors with customisable ports. Don't need to say more.
It kinda already exists. A case for existing Framework mainboards, with VESA compatible mounts. It's even printable.
@@sovo1212 My thoughts were to get something like the dell optiplex 7070 ultra. With a upgrade path for the motherboard & either laptop or desktop GPU's. With a greater range of ports, say 6 to 10 ports. Having this plug into a quality OLED panel that with the PC removed can still act as a monitor. Just all the benefits and minimised downsides. Yes framework has a printable case but it's not as great a design as the dell optiplex.
A monitor with a micro ATX motherboard slot?
@@darin7553 more like this, ua-cam.com/video/jOWc25fLlEo/v-deo.html
with a GPU and having the ports be on the stand, just having the pc plug into the monitor and be 'plug and play' in upgrading it to new hardware.
@@Sandmonmsn Optiplex has a proprietary design. Good luck if you have to replace the motherboard or the power supply. Those are similar issues than the actual AIO.
At least this AIO didn't require an epically insane ordeal to repair after disassembly. Who could forget the infamous $5k iMac repair series.
Plus you actually CAN swap out the strorage and ram. Certainly can't do that with any of the macs nowadays.
Do you open your monitor?
@@BrawndoQC If there was a computer inside I needed to service then I would indeed open my monitor
@@TheoHiggins You would never buy an all in one from Apple anyway. We had plenty of HP and Dell AIO at the office and they were terrible to service. We just replaced them.
@@BrawndoQC Yes, I've swapped the mainboard/PSU in one and taken apart a couple others to minor repairs or salvage parts.
Unless space is very tight, the simplest design is the most repairable. Screws, clips, removable boards.
Love the reference at the start!
I hope that corsair all in one that was going through the rumor mill ends up good, id love to have one with a 1080p 165hz screen that can run fighting games well
The sponsor transition is probably the smoothest transition of all time
I hate bot comments
True i was impressed
nah he has done better I believe
@1 Million With 0 Videos Challenge (day 2) DON'T NEED YOU TO EXIST
@DONT READ MY PROFILE PICTURE sure dude
As someone who uses rtx voice when streaming and plays games with headphones on I normally have my fans turned all the way up because it doesnt really make a difference having my fans be all the way up or not but this would definately be good for someone who doesnt already have a pc or isnt looking to max out every game
You should compare your power consumption with full blast and quiet. There are fans out there which can draw up to 10W per fan. With the high number of fans in the average system this can be costly with current energy costs.
@@nSnowCrow Electricity for gaming is still so cheap, like even 100w of fans running 8 hours a day for a month, which is an unhealthy amount of daily gaming, is like 3-4 dollars a month at 14 cents per kw/hr
@@nSnowCrow im in a dorm currently so ill probably end up being more power conscious after moving out and renting an apartment
@@nSnowCrow The majority of fans only use 1-3W, 10W would be pretty rare for a PC and starts to get into server grade jet engine levels of noise and besides that 10W is nothing, something like $20-30 a year and you probably have a modem / router using more than that running 24/7 already and even using leds, I'm sure your house easily uses 30-50W every night.
The typical 100-300W from a GPU alone during gaming will far exceed any concerns over fans...
@@nSnowCrow Don't know where you're located, but the average KW/h rate in the u.s. is 10.42 cents($0.10)
Even with 10 fans running full out(100 watts) it would take 10 hours of operations to cost $0.10.
Where i'm at, it's about $0.25.
And if you think that's bad, let me introduce you to my 6x30W fans in my server.
we got an old AiO, from a company that no longer needed it, at first the mechanical hard drive and lack of speed running windows 10, turned it into something we would typically put on the e-waste pile.... except after debloating windows 10, removing a bunch of apps, it suddenly got quick enough to not need an SSD. we were planning on just giving it an SSD running windows 7 or something, but ended up using the SSD elsewhere, where it was actually going to be useful in laptops/etc. so the AiO was going to be thrown out again, when another company, unrelated to ours, ended up saying they only really needed a web browser (and monitor), and some form of printer, for their business as a kind of overview display, and to this day I walk past that thing thinking, man that thing is lucky. still works fine, still quick enough, still does everything it needs to, likely won't die anytime soon.
I think the biggest point of failure to keep in mind is obviously the power supply, which is HP, and an awkward output at that. they don't make things easy do they. but it is still working after 10 years or so.
10 years. when this thing came out people were still complaining about vista.
This could be pretty cool for off-grid or RV applications where you need the power efficiency of the laptop without as many of the issues like batteries being wear items and IO and thermals being limited.
But if the battery goes you can fix it or treat it as a desktop only, no point for a fragile semi portable system when a gaming laptop can be expendable in all fields
@@thatslegit Honestly, I can't see many situations where this product would be used. It takes all the bad parts of desktop, and laptop, and combines it. Hard to move around, have to buy keyboard and mouse, bad thermals, weak laptop parts, poor upgradability, and the list goes on.
0:00 Perfectly balanced hiking equipment
An AIO is for someone who wants a large display, good-enough performance, and reduced space on a desk. Every single desktop out there, even the tiny ones, will take up more room than this as this only takes up the room of a monitor. A laptop on the flip-side has a much smaller display, so if you want a proper keyboard or a bigger screen you end up taking up more physical desk space than an AIO.
but a nuc on the back on a normal monitor will take up as much room, you could argue even less and then you can mount it on a better stand and easaly move it all out of the way
no they don’t, you have the base & behind monitor to store something like a NUC
It has the added benefit of being able to upgrade / use monitor separately
@@cec4 and the NUC is probably even louder and has less performance.
Speaking of space, this AIO still looks bulky af because of the stand, and you'll get much better looks with any other AIO.
@@ultraL2 Some AIOs have HDMI input (My dad has one that even has composite input) which is nice.
That design has some things going for it.
It looks like a Framework project, all in one desktop systems.
As someone who works as a Computer Consultant, I see all sorts of people who buy All-In-One computers run into all kinds of problems when anything breaks. Instead of being able to replace just the broken part, you have to throw the whole thing away and buy a new computer. The only things you can replace are the memory and the SSD. Likewise, you can't upgrade to get another couple of years out of it. I've had to tell a number of clients that unfortunately, they have to get a new computer.
Linus has the new prototype google glasses
More like the new apple glasses
I think Framework should develop all in one cases for their motherboards, if you’d like that for some reason.
They have released a design for 3D printing your own one, along with all the specifications so that a third party could make them.
@@phuzz00 Framework is the best lol
if youre asking what AIO pc's are for, internet Cafe's, quite a lot of IC's on my area uses their own version of AIO's.
Boy did that title suddenly appearing in the notification bar made me question my existence for a second there 😅😅🤣🤣
I am always in rage mode, so that setting suits me. 💯😂
Also, I love actual jet engines, but I can settle for an imitation.
honestly i have always loved AiO systems, this pc with a 1080p screen would be so much better
I love how LTT reviews always include long term points like upgrade options etc...
Thank you!
I remember the old all in one's especially from HP. It's pretty cool they're now capable to put in essentially a beginner tier gaming pc into these things.
And to be fair Tiny Tinas Wonderlands is a very demanding game even on a 3080ti so realistically the performance on this is pretty decent since it's running on high at 1440p on a mobile 3060. Even I game at 4k and scaled down to 1440p for a more consistent 120fps on a mix of medium to very high setting.
It's still a bad performance because it gives lower performance at a higher price point compared to a normal gaming PC. The only thing you'll get here is it's smaller footprint, which is basically negated by how not portable it is, and the fact that the desk has more space than your lap.
Uh, I play 1080p with a 1660ti and it's not that demanding.
@@Szanth "I play 1080p on a 1660ti" without saying what settings and performance you aren't proving anything. I sure HOPE a 1660ti can play at 1080p.
@@nevmiku Not to mention no upgradability. Im fairly sure this is just a scheme to normalize propeitary garbage.
@@nevmiku I get that but not entirely my point. If you're in the niche market for something like this it is PRETTY COOL you can fit a beginner tier gaming pc into it. That's my point. Everyone's mother is into these type of computers, REGARDLESS price, ie why MacBooks are so popular, price to performance hwhat? If my mom had ANYTHING like this growing up I'd love to be able to game on it instead of asking her to buy an entirely different pc just for me to game on. I get it, we're all here because building a pc is better in most ways, but conveniencey to older folks that aren't tech savvy? These things are god sent.
Big props to Colorful for not throwing in e-waste peripherals
I own (for my son) a Dell AIO Inspiron 7775, it's some years on its shoulders, it came when Ryzen 1 was born, hence Ryzen 1700 + RX580 + SSD + HDD + 16 GB DDR4 + IR camera. Beautiful 27" 4K HDR (but 60Hz). It's a HDMI pass thru useful for console. It seems that despite almost 4-5 years have passed, no much progrssion has happened in the AIO space. Mine at least had Desktop class CPU+GPU (RX580 is a beast btw). Fan noise might be concern though, it goes thru the roof when forced to do so.
This one is giving me an idea for another video I'd actually like to see: interviewing (and maybe helping pick computers for) the average non-enthusiasts who shop for computers at something like Best Buy. A lot of tech-youtube content is aimed at the enthusiast, and by golly do I have access to so much good information when helping my younger brothers upgrade their gaming PC or what-have-you.
But what needs drive the average buyer? What marketing gimmicks are they vulnerable to? I'd like to learn about the technology needs of the Gen-Xers in my life :)
0:00 Perfectly balanced...
just like the screwdriver
u saw the video within 1 minute of it getting publishedd??
@@tavishmankash1888 what
...as all things should be.
Now this is his gaming laptop
10:32 you missed a chance to throw a desk pad at linus
These are good for education or enterprise where they can be easily installed and replaced without fiddling around with monitors. I work in a school and AIOs are way more convenient for us when setting up 30+ PCs in a room and can be more cost effective than buying the tower and monitor separately when bulk deals are factored in and taxes can be deducted. This specific example however would likely be for a well funded place for IT or graphics design where more power is required but doesn't need the best of the best. The upgradability also isn't important for schools/ enterprise anyway as old hardware is rarely upgraded and is just thrown out at it's end of life. They are also rarely repaired and faulty or damaged systems are usually just sent back to the supplier with a 3+ year warranty.
Wasn't positive that intro was a "The Incredibles 2" reference, but the "math is math" line confirmed it.
trueee
0:00 The ultimate hiking equipment
With a little format changing here and there "justify your existence" could be a fun series for the channel
Okay that hinge design for the cooling pipes and copper is really damn clever tho
"Justify your existence." Linus Philosophy Tips
Incredible Incredibles 2 reference
So weird. I was just on Amazon looking up solar panels and considered buying Jackery for like an hour
haha i had the same reaction when you guys opened the actual cooler - like 'yeh, this aio monitor is ridiculous but the aio is actually pretty sick'🤣
I could see it's use in home office, especially for companies sending them to employees for work-from-home stuff. When the pandemic shut down my office so we all had to take home mini PCs to use (couldn't use our own PCs for security purposes), the mini PC was absolute dog-doo. Got so hot even basic programs would hang or crash, and since i had limited space (already had my own home PC, so my desk space was very minimal to add another computer) even the mini PC was awkward to have sitting around. Though, it's a pretty big monitor for space savings. But, for those who work with spreadsheets a lot, that size screen would be useful.
A gaming all in one is a great idea. It just needs to be a bit more powerful. a 3070 or 3070ti laptop GPU, maybe.
@1 Million With 0 Videos Challenge (day 2) Stop spamming
laptops and AIO's are garbage. every time they are obsolete you need to buy a new everything...so much e waste.
Great Idea for what use case?
But laptops already work for gaming all in ones
@@jimmyhackers8980 Yes. Ths futureproofing isn't great. But it isn't targeted at us. It's targeted at the people who buy prebuilts. A gaming all in one is a great idea for casuals, or people like Linus mentioned, parents who compromise for this because they want an iMac-like PC that their kids can game on. People like us have better options.
I built mine out of an Element TV, a Dell Precision 1700's internals, and some super sticky double-sided tape. Works well, looks awesome, no complaints. The chasis fan now draws air out the top vent of the TV, everything just works. Windows 11 doesn't seem to mind, either.
hahahha the intro killed me! congratulations 🎊
This thing somehow reminds me of the styling of the Supergrafx. It is actually kind of ugly for a minimalist all in one, which is an achievement in itself.
Hmm I see an opportunity! How about if Framework made a standardised AIO chassis like this with a space/module in the back that you can connect framework laptop modules into? Like in a recent video on LTT, they took a module from a framework laptop and put it into a custom case and used it again?
I had a similar thought watching this video. I would love a video trying to fit a framework motherboard into this aio.
I have the 1000w Jackery for my mobile smoker trailer and it is awesome(Recteq). The solar panels charge it faster than the power my two augers can draw from it.
i like the keyboard in the opening shots.Thats a beefy all-in one.
I was expecting more red dwarf references!!!
When it come to the price difference between a custom build and an AIO id say to remember the "convince tax" of it being an "All in one pre-built" considering that I'd say the price is pretty reasonable All things considered (maybe not against competitors though)
The difference between a laptop and an AIO is going to come down to personal preference though... I would personally prefer the AIO over a laptop on a desk as I feel the laptop use to be a bit unconfortable for long use (office work mostly)
AIOs are not good nor bad, the value will depend on your specific needs and wants.
If you can afford the space, a laptop dock is still better than an AIO since you have both a dedicated keyboard and mouse with a large display along with the portability of the laptop. Just plug a single cable and you're good to go, if it also charges your laptop even better because the laptop's charger can stay in your bag instead of having to also move it around every time you want to go with your computer.
For 1440p at 34" it has roughly the same DPI as a 4k 52" model, so you;d have to be a good distance to get a great perceived clarity.
imho this should be for service activities like hotel reception, common hall, museum, places where it1s good to not have additional stuff around, of course then you could have virtual machines and then you do not need that power
Ah yes, a pc with almost all the drawbacks of a gaming laptops, with none of the benefits
the tablet laptop and so called in one will be the same device in the future.
The one use I can ever justify for an AIO Desktop is space constraints. I ran one when I was a repair tech at Microcenter when my desk was completely filled with laptops and desktops to be repaired.
I would use this as a work computer or daily driver, where I need space, and I don't need horsepower that often.
I can see the point of miniPCs like the upcoming MinisForum Nuc X15/17 which looks to be using the Nuc X15 laptops' motherboard (just not sure if it's also the same cooler) mounted on a chassis no larger than a router since the battery isn't there. I mean...sure it's not a portable like a laptop (including 17in desktop replacement gaming or workstation machines) that you can just unfold anywhere, but you can fit it into any backback that fits a laptop and still bring it to a hotel room/Air BnB so when you're back from whatever you were there for you can run Mortal Kombat or whatever on the HDTV using a machine thinner and easier to pack than an XBox/PS. And when you upgrade to either a new Nuc or that other Nuc that can use desktop GPUs or build a new desktop you can just keep the Nuc X15 as a console for PC ports that can game stream from the more powerful desktop in case you ever need a huge screen more than refresh rate.
This thing is none of those. Sure the cooler might be beefier, but it's large enough that even if you could detach the monitor easily and use it elsewhere like the MF NUC X15/17, it's about as thick as the last gen XBOne and PS3. And while you can use it as a console you have to permanently detach the screen and not be able to use it at all.
If anything the MinisForum Nuc X15/17 only lacks a Vesa mount so you can mount it to the back of your monitor instead of still taking up space while light, tall, and slim enough to seem like your cat will knock it off the desk unless you have it right up against a wall or even just tugging a wired peripheral too hard will knock it over.
But hey for under $900 for the barebones 11400h+3060, being transportable and giving you an option to stick with 1080p 24in or 27in max makes a lot of sense to get. I'm actually debating getting this over the NUCs that take desktop graphics cards and gaming laptops since it'll be easier to fit into a bag vs the thicker NUCs and the arse end of gaming laptops, not to mention the latter will take up more space on your desk, which is less sensible for someone who'd use a larger external monitor at home anyway (that I already have).
Framework should make an All-In-One. Using laptop parts, with battery.
why does it need a battery?
Anyone else wondering how Linus managed to not drop that contraption at the start?
He is stapled to it
Brilliant design by Colorful. I love this!
I've built 2 SFF systems into the Cooolermaster NR200P for people. One had a 5900X, the other a 12600K. Both cool and quiet at max load with a Noctua NH-U12S, and NH-D12L respectively. Neither is used for gaming, but you can even accommodate a triple slot GPU in that case.
maybe i'm weird but i actually like my computers making sound. it makes them feel more alive and like they are actually doing something
I prefer my computers to be as unalive as possible. And far away from any ammunition.
You're weird, but that's ok. Everyone is
You're not weird, we're all weird in this world :D You do you, buddy!
I agree, I love the sound of old machinery and gears moving in unison, and a computer making similar sounds would be great.
I'm just used to my PC making noise when it's doing stuff; If it's silent, it usually means the application froze. Noise = good. silence = bad.
I must admit, I love these solar "generators" awesome systems
I like the idea. Especially since I'm sure there are a lot of 30/6000 series mobile chips alongside the cards themselves in these AIB warehouses. They've got to do something with them, but they could do better. I agree with throwing a 24 inch monitor on it and setting up LAN centers with them. If they had a monitor output on them, I'd buy it for my karaoke setup. What I have works, but this would be so much better! I would build it into a table to make it portable and I'd be off to the races. I would probably prefer a smaller monitor as well tho... great video ltt. Just ordered my desk mat!
12:18 - Isn't the middle icon on the top of the window for calibrating the display?
10:22 I literally just bought that laptop a few months back and the performance is really great, similar to my desktop which has better cooling and somewhat better specs.
You should take a look at the Lenovo Tiny series. Its a small form factor desktop like the Mac Mini.
But it has a party trick. You can buy a monitor designed to slip the desktop inside. With a click the computer gets KVM and power from the monitor without cables.
Its really only helpful for business as it allows you to have the easy cablemangement of an all in one, but if you want to upgrade or refresh the computer, you just pop it out and take it apart with one screw to add ram, swap the SSD, or upgrade from a Ryzen 3 5350GE, to a 5700G(yes i've tested this to work fine, just turn off AMD PSB so the 5700G is not FPGA fused to that computer), or replace the whole miniPC just by swapping it with another one..
7:51 yes it beats the igame in term of performance, but what about in term of power usage and noise level (in quiet mode of course). i think the sole reason they use laptop hardware on the inside is for power saving purpose.
6:46 if this thing weren't brand new, imagine how hard it would be to get all of that thermal paste and adhesive up. It certainly wouldn't look very pretty, and you'd probably need to replace the adhesive pads over the VRMs.
Being different doesn't make something better or worse. Just different. Kudos for trying something newish, I guess?
Not a laptop, a shoulder top
I think the heat pipe situation is a genuinely thoughtful and useful solution if you want to tinker
An ATX PC with front-facing speakers installed in the bottom fan basement and a display VESA-mounted to the desktop case itself would be pretty much the same thing, paired with a vertical GPU mounted to exhaust heat out the opposite side of the display and you'd basically have what this gives but modular.
I think that AIOs can be only useful (in some circumstances) in offices, but for daily use - ewww :/ Laptops or even prebuilds - are way better imo
I think Linus puts WAAAAAAY too much emphasis on fan noise. I know that myself and many others are running fans or air purifiers at all times with a constant white noise that makes even the loudest computer fans just a drop in the bucket. I totally get that he is a man who likes things as silent as possible but I think your average consumer doesn't really give anywhere near as much of a shit about fan noise as linus does.
I've seen several LTT videos recently saying 32" is too big for 1440p recently, but I've been using that for years and it looks fine. If I lean in close I can see the pixels, sure, but it's a big monitor that looks great at a reasonable distance and at a resolution that can be handled by a GTX 1080 for most games. I probably wouldn't choose the same if I was buying a new monitor today, but I don't feel the need to upgrade any time soon.
That Incredibles 2 reference was beautiful
There's actually a market for this. What Linus didn't consider is that the folks that bought iMacs also didn't want laptops. Laptop screens are too small for them, normal desktop PCs are too bulky and have too many cables. They want a large all in one station that can chill on their desk.
Not even remotely true...
The folks they bought iMacs wanted a desktop Mac. Sure the Mac mini exists, and is a lot more popular now, but for a long time wasn’t nearly as advertised by Apple as it is now (because they didn’t make an Apple branded display)
If there was such a market for all in one desktop computers, the market would have expanded a lot more that what it is today.
5:11 Everyone knows that sound, and it either means something was successfully attached/detached or just broke.
I'll never understand why manufacturers have forever bonded two antithetical emotions through a single snapping sound.
There was a similar thing a while ago that used itx hardware with a 21:9 monitor, I feel like I'd be way more interested if that's the same idea they went with here.
I don't trust Linus enough to place that contraption with that expensive computer on his shoulders.
0:25 girl is girl, boy is boy yes
I always lock my fps in games to keep my laptop from ramping up the fans
Products like this make me happy to have my Zephyrus G14 2021. RTX 3060 w/ a Ryzen 9 5900HS and a similar 16 gigs of RAM, but with a 1080p 144hz display, and a BATTERY! Not to mention, unlike the TUF you guys showed, it's actually a decent weight and can hold a substantial charge - with some tweaking.
I love how simplistic it is , definitely enough for casual gaming after work!
They could prefect this design with a serviceable CPU via mobo swap , full size GPU swapable ( with additional external PSU) externally accessible ssd and a oled panel 😳🤤
It has a Laptop 3060 with 6GB VRAM and the fans are louder than a hair dryer when you want to actually utilize it.
Starting at 2000 USD. Cmon, who could you actually recommend this to? There are laptops for less than half the price with the same power.
@@OZEEtube what laptop has a 32" IPS 165hz panel? Also who games with the laptop keyboard and mouse? It's always external 🤷 you are paying for convenience, it's a gaming aio 🤷 I'm excited for aios with amda next gen Apus using rdna 2 😉😁
@@FNGecko This is overpriced, underpowered and noisy. Only thing you playing in 165hz on this is CSGO anyways.
For 2000$ you could get an equally powerful laptop, a 32“ IPS 165hz Monitor, a good KBM and you‘d probably still have money to get yourself a Steam Deck on top lol
@@OZEEtube It's no more overpriced and underpowered than any Mac offering... Just saying it has a place in the market, it will give motivation to other companies to produce a better product. I'm just happy to see a gaming orientated aio.
that's a pc i need 😁
Would be interesting to see a framework all in one
I love the idea of a gaming AIO. My work is 100% travel, I live out of hotels most of the time. Something like the old 27" iMac, but with new 3070/6800XT tier internals and halving the Apple tax would be nice.
Justify your screwdriver 🤣👍
I’m surprised we got an LTT video today, but I guess this is to make up for the day they skipped recently to prepare Anthony’s AMD Ryzen video. That said, it’s nice to see that al-in-one computer are still a thing (outside of Apple) & are becoming somewhat more upgradable since I last had mine years ago. They still have a ways to go, though.