I do prefer Toyota's over most any other brand...but $31K for a "cheaper" pickup is not what I call cheaper or affordable. If they really want to get customers excited...put out the long promised $20K Stout! A lot of us out here need an affordable small pickup.
I can hardly wait to see the COROLLA-based Stout pickup truck! 😃 I hope it will have at least 5 inches of ground clearance. Then it will be an off-road monster! 😆
Oh wait the truck they never wanted to produce until the Maverick cameout, and then they tell everyone we have something better and cheaper so they get all of the media attention, but are not going to bring it to the US, the Stout
@@GrnXnham Thanks , that's obvious. I have owned 11 Toyotas, currently a 2016 Tundra, 2018 Highlander and a 2000 4 Runner 5 speed. I was in the car biz for 25 years, 14 of it as a District Mgr (factory rep). 7 plus years with Mazda Motors of America, the rest for two hi line Euro auto makers. 11 years retail to include 4 of it with a Rolls, Bentley, Jag, Aston Martin dealership , 4 years Service Mgr. of a Honda Mazda dealership. I have some insight.
I’ve got a 2014 I bought as a Demo back then. It’s mint. I’ve paid for add-ons out of pocket over last few years to spruce it up. The new ones are ugly as chit in my view. I want nothing to do with the 6 cylinder turbo either. Way overpriced too. Keep your truck and save your money.
34,700 for sr 4x4 extra cab as shown plus 1,495 delivery. That is 36,195 total. With doc fees and some add-ons such as mats and protectors, it will be 37k. If you pay around 8% sales tax or so, it will be 40k. Insane.
Can't believe Toyota does not offer rear clamshell doors on the Xtracab. Thats a deal killer for me. I don't need crewcab but having opening rear doors makes it much more practical as a worktruck to get to tools and such you put back there.
Agreed however the problem is they pretty much can't. There are so many regulations now by the EPA, NTSB etc that force the manufacturer to adhere to ever increasing pollution controls and safety devices etc. This means more engineering, more equipment installed resulting in a more expensive base vehicle that is less affordable to the average consumer. In other countries the manufacturer doesn't have to meet most of those standards. Living in a nanny state is bliss.
I have owned Toyota trucks since the 80's, and their honest simplicity and reliability are what appealed to me. I think the turbo 4 will be fine, I preferred the 22R and 2.7L over the old 3.0 and the current 3.5L six's for my usage anyway. Even having only 2 seats in the extended cab is ok. But the deal breaker is terrible access to all that storage space. What were they thinking!!
A cab that is strong and doesn’t rattle and fill with dust . Access is pretty good. Those back doors with no pillar are garbage on anything but pavement queens
As with housing costs, vehicle prices, in just the last few years, have inflated way beyond what I consider reasonable. In the case of this extra-cab, I am disappointed in Toyota eliminating the very useful, rear-hinged access doors, which - regardless of what they claim - is an example of blatant production cost-cutting (so they could give us nicer bumpers? the turbocharger?).
Agree, love my x-cab (but I have a hilux). I'm going 4-door for the next Gen hilux if it will function like this tacoma. I could also get an x-cab almost fully loaded.
I agree. Though I am a die hard Toyota guy, the no hinge rear area is a deal breaker for me. I bought a 2023 v^ and am happy. My previous vehicle was a 2008 AC. Worse is that you can't get the crew cab with the bigger box, another deal breaker for me.
Lack of rear doors on the short cab is definitely a quantum leap backwards as far as utility is concerned. Really limits the usefulness of the space. For this cab configuration, my Nissan Frontier S is the better vehicle. You still get a V6 plus suicide doors which give easy access to the back of the cab.
@@Vtethers1314 Bad thing with these new trucks is it cost more to insure them, car tags cost more to put on them, and extended warranties are twice as much.
I have a 2005 Tacoma that I've put tons of money into maintenance-wise and it's been time to buy something new. Was thinking of BMW but I really liked this - until I saw the base price. It's still a Tacoma. I can't imagine spending luxury car price for this "work" truck.
That’s pretty crazy 😅 I remember in 2014 I bought a new taco base model, manual, 4x4 for $19,995… so to see the newest one for over $30k thats quite an ask.
Eh blame inflation. 20k adjusted for 2023 inflation is 26k. For 4k more feature wise & specs wise its pretty fair. Reliability wise this new one doesn’t stand a chance
Knowing all about the upcoming 2024 Tacoma I purposely just bought a 2023 Tacoma SR Access Cable 4x4 with the 4 cylinder. Love it! I admit the 2024 is better in some areas than the 2023, but the lack of rear doors on the 2024 is a deal breaker. Plus the $3500 - $4000?premium for the 2024 is not worth it IMO. And the proven Uber reliability of the 3rd gen and the 2.7 4 cylinder give great piece of mind.
Thank you! I’m tired of people reviewing top trim levels will never get at the dealer ship without some giant markup, or dealer allocation will be trash like the Corolla GR.
I'll keep my '09 Regular cab base model 2.7 4x4 5-speed taco, how a true 2-door should be. Glad I bought it when I did, before prices got silly. Nearly $40k for that? Seriously?
So we have a turbo 4-banger, a massive air-dam, a smaller capacity tank, and a more efficient transmission... just to get 1-2 more mpg than the previous *V6* model? We're ditching proven engines for that?
@@cn0503 BS it's about higher profit and reducing fuel consumption to meet cafe standards. Better fuel mileage on the Tacoma allows for lower fuel mileage on other models. Simple as that. The buyer loses.
Main issue for most consumers will be buying a 40 MPG truck when the gas price hits $8 - $10 per gallon. Ford sells a truck at very low prices, but prices are increasing year after year. Three persons sitting is required with good hauling capacity. Toyota produced one for Thailand for around $13k USD.
It seems every car review I watch ends up with the price being 10k over what I would expect. Cars are just way too much money nowadays. 36k plus destination, taxes, etc - so about 40k for a small 2 seat work truck. Sheesh.
I was looking forward to this new Tacoma but seeing that Toyota decided to do away with the small doors on the extended cab it’s a big no for me. Who ever decided to do away with the small door’s made a big mistake in my opinion. But of course it’s another way to save money and raise the price of this new Tacoma. Not everybody needs or wants a crew cab pickup. Bring back the small back doors.
They've lost their minds. Nearly $40k for a base work truck. I like the steel wheel. I like the low options. I like the fact that it's a turbo 4, and the manual is a huge plus, but you put all those things together and no way should it add up to nearly $40k.
Have you considered how much the currency has been inflated? Go to the grocery store and compare the price differences on many items from 10 years ago.
The CHEAPEST base Tacoma out here is not only being marked up to almost 40k but the local dealers are claiming "they cant get them" so that they can try and push you up to more expensive units. Toyota has been doing this with their whole product line for a few years now.
I’ll keep my 2023 Tacoma SR5 access cab. It’s a V6 the last of the clam shells. No turbo or electric motor or anything that will break down and have issues. It’s celestial silver and came with the rare SX package which has blacked out everything for an extra $500 which includes black wheels and fender flares and badging came have the predator tube steps. No mark up. Got it in October 2022. Got lucky because for the same price I would get less truck a lower model and more issues without additional bells and whistles like I do now.
I perfer leaf springs in a truck. They usually last multiple decades like.20-30+ years. So if you have to repalce shocks you only have the 2 fronts. Leaf spring rear is not ultra plush ride but for a truck it is good it brings more durability.
Love almost everything this two-door SR trim…the only negatives I see are the digital instrument cluster (should have been analog gauges), and I’m not buying that a turbo four was the right way to go as the only engine option.
@@atg1338 it was a pain in the ass. My dad bought an Xtra cab 84 brand new. My brother and I grew up in the back of that. I had a 91, 92 and 94 Xtra cab. None of them had access doors. Those were all back in the day before Toyota even had a name for the truck.
How did people get by in the old days without cars, with horses only? Give me a break daddy! Just because they had sh$tty lives back then doesn’t mean we should too.
i think the price of a truck in this segment shows that the Tacoma can't be Toyota's "smallest truck for USDM" for much longer. They've created a vacuum, and surely, this rumored Toyota Stout coming HAS to fill that vacuum for a smaller more affordable pickup
Interesting that they have gone back to a two door extracab version like our 2003 SR5 Tacoma did. The 2020 SR Tacoma we now have has 6400 lb towing capacity and the complete tow package was standard.
$3000 more, 10% more expensive than last years model, and comes with a 228 hp detuned engine base instead of 278 hp in all other trims. Poor value at MSRP. Hard pass, especially with full size trucks not selling and falling in price. Mid size will have to follow down too.
The current 2.7L is weak, unrefined, and asthmatic feeling...but it's also indestructible shy of true abuse. Wonder if the 2.4L turbo will fare as well over time?
Everybody says that. But they have an Achilles heal. A used engine is $3500 with 200k miles on it because they are failure prone. The head gaskets crack and it steams the oil off effected cylinder. Next thing you know it’s guzzling oil. Toyota quoted me $4200 labor + parts. No local shops would take it on. I ended spending 3 weekends and $800 in parts to fix it myself.
Hopefully that seat IS improved, that was the main point of discontent for me with a Tacoma. Not much sense in buying a good looking truck only to have back aches after a drive in one.
@@ordinarygamer1353 Well, I am 6 ft and around 167 lb. I don't think I'm tall nor short, more or less average I guess, I find ( or I should say I found that the Tacoma SR5 I owned in 2007 was so uncomfortable on a drive over 50 miles, that I had to get out and stretch . I eventually, after 2 years, had to 'give up' and trade it in on a different make of pickup, so I could enjoy driving again.
Sounds like they dialed down the power level for the "base trim" to extend the life of the engine. Makes sense, as base model trucks are usually fleet vehicles. That's one more reason to go with this model, in my opinion. The only obstacle will be the dealers who will tack on more markup and make it that much more out of reach for most of us on fixed incomes.
Alex, Is it the ultimate irony that Toyota chooses to flex its muscle in the mid-size segment by offering 2 door work trucks, different bed lengths and a manual option? The naturally aspirated, 2.7 liter 4 cylinder 2TR-FE "slug" engine from the previous two generations of Tacoma is a legend. Let's give it a DECADE or two to see how the new turbo generation compares. After all, it is a work truck not a sports car. 🤨
Generally agree, especially for a work truck. But I think the myth of turbo unreliability is a relic of early 1980s turbo cars. Yes, the turbo is yet another wear item… but is anyone really gonna complain if it has to be swapped out after 200K miles? Many other drivetrain components will have a similar service life (e.g. the starter, belts, timing chain, etc. ). I don’t see the turbo as a fundamental reliability issue.
@@alliejr I mean I’ve been saying the same thing about *gm* turbo inline 4. That engine shall be bulletproof if it’s the only option they felt was the perfect fit for their mid-size trucks. It’s not what it is that determines reliability it’s how they engineer it and what its intended purpose is. *gm* has had other reliable 4 cylinders although naturally aspirated, it’s quite possible for a turbo 4 to be reliable.
The 2.7 was heavy, slow, and ancient in terms of its design. It was reliable, yes, but that's because it underperformed every other engine in its segment. Manufacturers have dumped obscene amounts of money into their turbocharged platforms to make them as reliable as possible, especially Toyota. A big part of their brand identity in North America is being known as extremely dependable and reliable, and I doubt they're going to toss out those principles out on the best selling midsized truck in the U.S. Yes, a turbo is another part to go wrong, but it's unlikely to fail before any other consumable part will. Modern turbocharged engines can easily crack 200,000 miles before having any real issues, not to mention the new Tacoma has been subject to higher standards for parts durability due to it being sold as a commercial/fleet vehicle.
@@Jenna_ I have driven 4 Tacomas with the 2.7 and it suited my needs just fine. Today, I am neither condemning or celebrating the new powertrains. Let's not forget the 'stumbles' the 3.5 V6/6speed automatic drivetrain had in its first couple of years in production.
A base Maverick hybrid is a killer work truck for the efficiency and $24k price. I've been seeing a lot more small businesses and utilities guys driving them around.
@@Sheepleton I bought a Lariat Maverick for MSRP at my local dealer. Fair dealerships do exist out there. I think most markups are pretty much gone these days. The market has been pulled down by interest rates.
THats really disappointing that you cant open the rear extended section since that storage solution is actually quite nice but seems cumbersome to be working with the seats in the way.
Compared to the stripped base truck that I’m used to from the early 1980s, this thing is fancy and a whole lot safer. Love the steel wheels. This truck will probably hold its value over time.
I thought it was more in line of what I want in a truck it’s the engine that I’m not sure about always had a V8 had a 4 cylinder car and treated it like a go kart
Its wont hold its value it will gradually be worth less and less every year that goes by. If youre buying a car to retain value youre an idiot. You need to buy stock in a moral company that grows in value if retaini g value is what youre trying to do. Buying a vehicle is how to lose money 101.
If the SR engine is just a detuned version of the higher trim level engines (which is something Toyota likes to do for reliability) then it's the truck to buy. That thing should run forever.
Depends if there are any physical changes on or within the motor. GM for instance uses a different block and (I think) internals for it's base Colorado engine.
@@tinhinnh has that been confirmed by Toyota or with parts references? I’ve been wondering about their 3.4T engine as well buy have found nothing regarding how they developed it versus the rest. If it’s only the literal tune that’s different, yeah speaks to it being a pretty stout setup, and also that people can likely find a tuner to bump it up to the higher stock level if they do desire (without any real concern for reliability concerns).
@@AAutoBuyersGuideits also an ugly piece of junk that will be remembered as a relic of the 2nd great depression. Im not paying 25k for a unibody ford. Ford is junk trash now. Arguably its the least reliable fords have ever been. Wouldnt touch one with my money even if i won the lottery. Wouldnt touch any of these truck makers scams. Deserve bankrupcy.
I like that Toyota is offering a 2-door extra cab in a basic work truck configuration. Unfortunately, the base price has skyrocketed about $4,000 over the outgoing model and it's gotten technically more complicated. It's also unfortunate that the extra cab isn't an access cab with clamshell doors. As Alex illustrated, lifting bulky, heavy, or long items in and out is going to be an inconvenience. If I had to go out and buy a new midsize truck right now, it would likely be the Nissan Frontier. It comes standard with a naturally aspirated 3.8L V6 and a lower starting price. I also think it's a better-looking truck.
Your right, $4650 more than the base 23 Tacoma with the utility delete option. I bought one 4 months ago. Unfortunately we have distributer/dealer add-ons in the Southeast Region. 😢
Consumer Reports just listed the Nissan Frontier as one of the least reliable vehicles (along with all Jeeps, the pacifica, and I believe a mercedes). While this new-fangled turbo taco is a bit of a gamble, I think we're all looking at Toyota's long history of reliability. Sure, reliability isn't everything - especially when today's budget is involved. Honestly, if money is an issue, there's plenty of folks who make it work with a car. Sucks these are more expensive but they're much safer too
@@scgb5 I'll have to read up on that. I hadn't heard anything bad yet. I will say, I've been reading more and more complaints from owners about reliability problems with late model Toyotas. Probably still the safest bet for reliability, but issues are becoming more common it seems. One guy said he bought a new Corolla and his steering rack and CVT failed before 100k. I've also seen a lot of interior quality problems with Toyotas from a handful of people I've known over the years. Dashboards and armrests warping, cracking, delaminating well before 100k miles. Doors squeak and rattle. Oil burning issues from bad piston rings at around 70k-100k miles. Of course it's all out of pocket because the warranty is short.
When I picked up my new Tacoma several months ago, and was discussing the new features on Gen 4, the sales manager said “ the more things they put in a car, more things to break “. The level of complexity now is astounding!@@palebeachbum
@@SiXiam Most buyers are not basing their purchase on resale value. They are more concerned with the cost of the vehicle upfront. If I only can afford $25k, I am not going to spend $30k. Now yes the Toyota is probably going to be much more reliable, especially as it ages but if my budget only allows for $25k then I that reliability is irrelevant to me acquiring the vehicle.
Great review on the new Toyota, but I see issues ,I have owned 3 tacomas, all 3 got pretty bad mileage for a small truck , I currently have a 2020 tacoma 4x4 v6 ,it gets around 17 mpg all around mileage , The biggest problem is total range, Once I fill up I cam go around 300 miles and if towing 200 miles before filling up, I also own a Ford F150 full size 4x4 in comparison, I get 21 mpg average and it has a extended range fuel tank ,so I can go 600 miles per tank and around 400 towing. i know people who travel a lot and off road toyotas ,many have put a larger fuel tank in and its not a big deal for more range, If toyota could do 1 thing to help the tacoma is at least offer a larger fuel tank so you can go at least 500 miles and towing 350 , I mean it's just a matter of 10 more gallons fuel capacity that is easy to do because they do it in the aftermarket, that's my opinion and I love the tacoma but give us more fuel capacity please
I kind of like it... it is a bit bigger than the old Tacoma / Hilux. Totally agree with having the manual on coil springs. The ability to swing out the rear section like an 'access cab' would be nice but maybe the crash testing prevented it. The massive front snowplow of a spoiler will be tossed. I am surprised it did not come with mud flaps and maybe more surprised at the very high cost but... it will probably last a heck of a long time. This one is small enough it should fit into the garage.
I mean, the 1985 Xtra Cab 4x4 Deluxe (base) trim was $9700 new, which translates to a bit over $28,000 today. It's not that much more expensive, considering how much more advanced it is.
It’s fantastic except for the *price* 🤦♂️ I mean I understand it’s a Toyota but they’re not marketing for the normal working man. Contractors like landscapers, plumbers, construction workers etc would be forced to go with Chevy, Nissan, Ford due to the price. This has the most practical bed with the single cab. I love the normal/manual tailgate instead of electronic tail gate with gimmicky buttons by the taillights.
They didn't fix the weak composite bed that can't even handle a topper being put on the bed rails without cracking the bed?! Insane. This new Tacoma is going to be a boon for Nissan and their new Frontier ...
I've read a lot on issues with this engine in the new Highlander, hesitation, stuttering, surging, etc. Looking at your height, the lift height at tailgate will not be user friendly. Raising trucks has reduced their usage, I see so many trucks nowadays running empty and pulling trailers. Why buy a truck? Too many oversights on this Tacoma.
"Traditionalists mad about turbo 4" as if Toyota didn't slap a turbo 4 in the 80's pickup. As if Toyota didn't make the Supra? Who could possibly think Toyota doesn't know how to make a reliable turbo engine.
For a midsize truck it’s still not terrible though. Lots of single axle campers fall into that range, and that’s really what I mostly see midsize trucks towing anyways.
That's ridiculous, should've just had the extend cab were you can open the driver side and the passager side doors open, UGH you have to literally hang over the first seat to get to anything in the back, its just wrong! Great storage though at least some people were thinking!
I really hate "top of the dash" mounted screens...I know that's the only way to get larger screens as centre stack space is limited, but they're much better integrated in full size trucks.
My dealership says King cabs are impossible to get up here in Canada. Crew is what everyone wants. I am an exception apparently. I have yet to take a Frontier for a drive as I don’t care for a crew cab.
There has been so much controversy around the turbo four engine, you cleared alot that up and why the turbo is right for a four. The Tacoma is a bit expensive with minimal options,but the extended cab and the option of a six foot box is nice. Good video.
I love it. It would be great for my work. It has all the base features in want/need. I'm by myself 99.9% of the time. My only concern is seat comfort because prior Tacoma's seats have not been comfortable. I would also put a cap on it.
Holy cow! $40k? This was my last hope of getting into a toyota truck this year but i refuse to pay that much. Im going to have to take a chance and wait for the stout and see how that does.
Bought my 1993 toyota sr5 manual 5 speed fully loaded used in 1994 with 14,000 miles for $15,000.00.Granted that was 30 years ago but the prices on new trucks as well as used are mind blowing to me. Am considering a complete overhaul on it.
Nice review! I was originally by the 2.4 turbo. However, the base version of the engine sounds tempting. I like the idea of leaf springs in the rear and the clean look of the base model! I'm sold, although I'll miss my 2015 base model. Maybe keep both?
When I first saw this truck and popped the hood I thought this truck is wider than my first truck a 1978 F150 and it is. It’s also two inches narrow of the 2025 ford f150. The Taco has grown from 66” wide to 78.5”.
I really wish that back space was gone and the SR had an 8' bed. it's not a work truck unless you can carry sheet goods, a bed full of gravel, or a load of manure.
Wish Toyota kept the trusty 2.7 i4 with old price tag for small business that doesn't require heavy duty work. Also true that customers like myself may not have long term reliability expectations on new 4cyl turbo engines. But I guess Toyota has no option with pressure Government + EPA putting on them. Atleast I'm happy Toyota went less stressed turbo route along with port+direct injection and timing belt, etc vs companies like Honda with cylinder deactivation, direct injection only, timing belt, etc.. I think GM can go down to 2 cylinders which amazes me to hear that. But many customers don't care or don't know about technical details of their vehicle.
I was expecting mid 20’s range price to get into it, at the Highest. Work truck and over 34k? They need a base one without extra features under 20k. 34 grand is too much. We need a simpler version 4 cyl 2.7 in a slightly smaller configuration.
Holy cow, nearly 40 grand all in for the base model, I think the world has passed me by.
Maybe try Ford Maverick.
@@charliethewanderer6872good luck getting one
How much would you want to pay?
then wait for all EV and 75K starting price
absolute rip off.. I got my 19 TRD sport 4x4 6M for 37k out the door price
I do prefer Toyota's over most any other brand...but $31K for a "cheaper" pickup is not what I call cheaper or affordable. If they really want to get customers excited...put out the long promised $20K Stout! A lot of us out here need an affordable small pickup.
Ford Maverick
That $20k Stout is supposedly coming soon. I’d love to see it!
I can hardly wait to see the COROLLA-based Stout pickup truck! 😃 I hope it will have at least 5 inches of ground clearance. Then it will be an off-road monster! 😆
Nest thing is to wait a year or two and get a certified pre owned one. That's all I do for any vehicle I buy now.
Oh wait the truck they never wanted to produce until the Maverick cameout, and then they tell everyone we have something better and cheaper so they get all of the media attention, but are not going to bring it to the US, the Stout
$36k for a 2 seater leaf sprung 4 banger is OUTRAGEOUS
Obscene greed.
@@jeffhildreth9244 Complain with your wallet. Don't buy it.
@@GrnXnham Thanks , that's obvious.
I have owned 11 Toyotas, currently a 2016 Tundra, 2018 Highlander and a 2000 4 Runner 5 speed.
I was in the car biz for 25 years, 14 of it as a District Mgr (factory rep). 7 plus years with Mazda Motors of America,
the rest for two hi line Euro auto makers. 11 years retail to include 4 of it with a Rolls, Bentley, Jag, Aston Martin dealership ,
4 years Service Mgr. of a Honda Mazda dealership. I have some insight.
Ridgeline would be a better buy for what you get.
@@brucefredrickson9677 Though All Wheel Drive, I cannot disagree.
PS My grandfather emigrated from Denmark to USA 1903.. Christian Frederiksen.
The way this is going, its looking like imma ride my 06 tundra into retirement..
Same
The 06 Tundra was the last of the great pickups. If yours is in good shape then keep it that way, it will only go up in value!
That's not a bad thing. Better looking too.
I’ve got a 2014 I bought as a Demo back then. It’s mint. I’ve paid for add-ons out of pocket over last few years to spruce it up. The new ones are ugly as chit in my view. I want nothing to do with the 6 cylinder turbo either. Way overpriced too. Keep your truck and save your money.
No doubt. Just picked up an 03 Tundra, and it is very nice.... and only 6k.
34,700 for sr 4x4 extra cab as shown plus 1,495 delivery. That is 36,195 total. With doc fees and some add-ons such as mats and protectors, it will be 37k. If you pay around 8% sales tax or so, it will be 40k. Insane.
Can't believe Toyota does not offer rear clamshell doors on the Xtracab. Thats a deal killer for me. I don't need crewcab but having opening rear doors makes it much more practical as a worktruck to get to tools and such you put back there.
Probably for safety. Most suicide door trucks have had worse crash ratings than the quad cabs because they lacked a pillar there.
Yep no doubt I would buy one if it still had access doors I own a 09 it looks like I’m keeping it for a while longer
@@toastybuns5281 Maybe....but more likely a cost savings measure for Toyota.
@@toastybuns5281why does Nissan and Ford still offer suicide doors?
I will be in the market soon for a tacoma as a work truck. The back door not being able to be opened is a deal breaker. I'll be getting the 3rd gen
Toyota need to remake the simple small, inexpensive pickups they had back in the early 90s.
They still make them but they are not sold in this market.
Agreed however the problem is they pretty much can't. There are so many regulations now by the EPA, NTSB etc that force the manufacturer to adhere to ever increasing pollution controls and safety devices etc. This means more engineering, more equipment installed resulting in a more expensive base vehicle that is less affordable to the average consumer. In other countries the manufacturer doesn't have to meet most of those standards. Living in a nanny state is bliss.
God almighty, $36,000+ for that!
That’s crazier than kraut.
@@Commentleaver-c6xinflation is real. 36000 in 2010 is equal to 51,000 today.
@@stephen_cs these trucks are much more expensive even factoring in inflation.
Thanks for featuring the new base Tacoma in a dedicated video, Alex!
I have owned Toyota trucks since the 80's, and their honest simplicity and reliability are what appealed to me. I think the turbo 4 will be fine, I preferred the 22R and 2.7L over the old 3.0 and the current 3.5L six's for my usage anyway.
Even having only 2 seats in the extended cab is ok. But the deal breaker is terrible access to all that storage space. What were they thinking!!
A cab that is strong and doesn’t rattle and fill with dust . Access is pretty good. Those back doors with no pillar are garbage on anything but pavement queens
@@justinmeasday8930I live on a dirt road and I never get dust in mine. They are also solid doors after 75k.
As with housing costs, vehicle prices, in just the last few years, have inflated way beyond what I consider reasonable. In the case of this extra-cab, I am disappointed in Toyota eliminating the very useful, rear-hinged access doors, which - regardless of what they claim - is an example of blatant production cost-cutting (so they could give us nicer bumpers? the turbocharger?).
Agree, I have a 2022 AC and I use those doors all the time.
Agree, love my x-cab (but I have a hilux).
I'm going 4-door for the next Gen hilux if it will function like this tacoma.
I could also get an x-cab almost fully loaded.
I agree. Though I am a die hard Toyota guy, the no hinge rear area is a deal breaker for me. I bought a 2023 v^ and am happy. My previous vehicle was a 2008 AC.
Worse is that you can't get the crew cab with the bigger box, another deal breaker for me.
@@billsoderholm3125 The Xtra cab is way more useful than rear seats that never get used.
Lack of rear doors on the short cab is definitely a quantum leap backwards as far as utility is concerned. Really limits the usefulness of the space. For this cab configuration, my Nissan Frontier S is the better vehicle. You still get a V6 plus suicide doors which give easy access to the back of the cab.
No suicide door to access the back is going backwards to me. That helps alot for me on my 2016 to get stuff from the back area on my SR5
It's hard to believe less than 5 years ago I could have bought one of these SR for $25,000.
My 2022 sr 2.7 4x4 was 32.5k OTD. I get this one has a better engine but the same thing now is 36?!
@@Vtethers1314 Bad thing with these new trucks is it cost more to insure them, car tags cost more to put on them, and extended warranties are twice as much.
@@Vtethers1314the average US inflation rate in 2022 was 8%
Yeah, with a shitty 4 banger engine and merely no features like this has standard…
@@Vtethers1314 This is not the better engine. It is just more powerful... it's gonna die long before the 2trfe.
It's so nice to see a short cab option in a modern truck. Lets you have a more useful 6ft bed w/o a super long vehicle.
Except there are no rear clamshell doors which shock me and kill most of the benefit of the Xtracab utilitywise.
I don't know why they don't just bring back the regular cab
@@ExtremelyAverageMan If it's not going to have a rear door and seats it should be a regular cab and a 7ft bed
@@jsrchmnd not a standard 6' or 8' bed, but a 7'. I like it haha
T@@adamn7516 those unsupported doors turn a cab into weak rattling junk . Plenty of access in that little cab unless maybe you have T-Rex arms
I have a 2005 Tacoma that I've put tons of money into maintenance-wise and it's been time to buy something new. Was thinking of BMW but I really liked this - until I saw the base price. It's still a Tacoma. I can't imagine spending luxury car price for this "work" truck.
That’s pretty crazy 😅 I remember in 2014 I bought a new taco base model, manual, 4x4 for $19,995… so to see the newest one for over $30k thats quite an ask.
Eh blame inflation. 20k adjusted for 2023 inflation is 26k. For 4k more feature wise & specs wise its pretty fair. Reliability wise this new one doesn’t stand a chance
bidenomics, nothing is cheap globally, world economic forum want us out of our cars.
Almost double the price in 11yrs. Insane.
So 10 yrs later and you think it should be the same price? Time to get a clue son
Lol. My 2014 4x4 v6 double cab with 80,000 is worth $ 19000 easy now. O depreciation.😂
Knowing all about the upcoming 2024 Tacoma I purposely just bought a 2023 Tacoma SR Access Cable 4x4 with the 4 cylinder. Love it! I admit the 2024 is better in some areas than the 2023, but the lack of rear doors on the 2024 is a deal breaker. Plus the $3500 - $4000?premium for the 2024 is not worth it IMO. And the proven Uber reliability of the 3rd gen and the 2.7 4 cylinder give great piece of mind.
Thank you! I’m tired of people reviewing top trim levels will never get at the dealer ship without some giant markup, or dealer allocation will be trash like the Corolla GR.
I'll keep my '09 Regular cab base model 2.7 4x4 5-speed taco, how a true 2-door should be. Glad I bought it when I did, before prices got silly. Nearly $40k for that? Seriously?
Not to mention, the turbo engine. 🤮
$34k for a base stripper version yikes
I like the manual transmission option. But I hate the turbo business and substantial price increase.
Manual is only offered on the CrewCab short bed models. Not available on the work truck.
This is sacrilegious😢@@callofdutyguy9 t
So we have a turbo 4-banger, a massive air-dam, a smaller capacity tank, and a more efficient transmission... just to get 1-2 more mpg than the previous *V6* model? We're ditching proven engines for that?
Becuase of emissions and regulations
@@cn0503 BS it's about higher profit and reducing fuel consumption to meet cafe standards. Better fuel mileage on the Tacoma allows for lower fuel mileage on other models. Simple as that.
The buyer loses.
Solid trucks. Now I know what every teenager in my town in 10 years will be saving up to buy.
In ten years only elon musk will be able to afford it. We are basically already there
This is why I bought a Frontier instead.
Bought a 24 Frontier S base model 4x4 for $33k OTD. V6 and 9 speed auto transmission is standard.
The fact that the base trim can’t tow itself is pretty sad.
Main issue for most consumers will be buying a 40 MPG truck when the gas price hits $8 - $10 per gallon. Ford sells a truck at very low prices, but prices are increasing year after year. Three persons sitting is required with good hauling capacity. Toyota produced one for Thailand for around $13k USD.
It seems every car review I watch ends up with the price being 10k over what I would expect. Cars are just way too much money nowadays. 36k plus destination, taxes, etc - so about 40k for a small 2 seat work truck. Sheesh.
And itll depriciate.
I was looking forward to this new Tacoma but seeing that Toyota decided to do away with the small doors on the extended cab it’s a big no for me. Who ever decided to do away with the small door’s made a big mistake in my opinion. But of course it’s another way to save money and raise the price of this new Tacoma. Not everybody needs or wants a crew cab pickup. Bring back the small back doors.
I want a single cab short and long bed.
I’m glad they did because I use work vehicles on rough and two track roads. Those doors tur the cab into week rattling junk
$34K for the BASE taco... Wow. I bought a Honda Ridgeline RTL(mid trim) for $42k. $8k more... BUT SO MUCH MORE TRUCK...
They've lost their minds. Nearly $40k for a base work truck. I like the steel wheel. I like the low options. I like the fact that it's a turbo 4, and the manual is a huge plus, but you put all those things together and no way should it add up to nearly $40k.
And it's only half the size of a full size truck. And yes greed is eating the consumer
Have you considered how much the currency has been inflated? Go to the grocery store and compare the price differences on many items from 10 years ago.
Alex bringing the detailed content brilliantly as usual.
That's why I watch him. I especially likes how he rates them for cabin quietness.
Me too I hate when cabins are quiet. So it’s important for me to know which are quiet so I don’t get upset and can avoid them even for a test drive.
The CHEAPEST base Tacoma out here is not only being marked up to almost 40k but the local dealers are claiming "they cant get them" so that they can try and push you up to more expensive units. Toyota has been doing this with their whole product line for a few years now.
I’ll keep my 2023 Tacoma SR5 access cab. It’s a V6 the last of the clam shells. No turbo or electric motor or anything that will break down and have issues. It’s celestial silver and came with the rare SX package which has blacked out everything for an extra $500 which includes black wheels and fender flares and badging came have the predator tube steps. No mark up. Got it in October 2022. Got lucky because for the same price I would get less truck a lower model and more issues without additional bells and whistles like I do now.
Nice! Really hard to find an access cab in the V6. All I see is the 4 cylinders with that cab.
Great idea. But you will never find one on a dealers lot. They only want to sell 4 door, loaded with options truck.
I'd probably get the base model Toyota Tacoma, since there's less things to break and it's easy to fix.
I perfer leaf springs in a truck. They usually last multiple decades like.20-30+ years. So if you have to repalce shocks you only have the 2 fronts. Leaf spring rear is not ultra plush ride but for a truck it is good it brings more durability.
Love almost everything this two-door SR trim…the only negatives I see are the digital instrument cluster (should have been analog gauges), and I’m not buying that a turbo four was the right way to go as the only engine option.
This truck will be a good fit for a lot people. But it's going to be difficult getting things in and out from behind the seat without the access doors
So how did people get by in the old days with extra cabs that didn't have rear doors🤔 give me a break son
@@atg1338 it was a pain in the ass. My dad bought an Xtra cab 84 brand new. My brother and I grew up in the back of that. I had a 91, 92 and 94 Xtra cab. None of them had access doors. Those were all back in the day before Toyota even had a name for the truck.
How did people get by in the old days without cars, with horses only? Give me a break daddy! Just because they had sh$tty lives back then doesn’t mean we should too.
i think the price of a truck in this segment shows that the Tacoma can't be Toyota's "smallest truck for USDM" for much longer. They've created a vacuum, and surely, this rumored Toyota Stout coming HAS to fill that vacuum for a smaller more affordable pickup
Interesting that they have gone back to a two door extracab version like our 2003 SR5 Tacoma did. The 2020 SR Tacoma we now have has 6400 lb towing capacity and the complete tow package was standard.
So glad I bought my ‘23 SR when I did. No access doors, no V6? No thanks. Love my Gen 3.
$3000 more, 10% more expensive than last years model, and comes with a 228 hp detuned engine base instead of 278 hp in all other trims. Poor value at MSRP. Hard pass, especially with full size trucks not selling and falling in price. Mid size will have to follow down too.
The current 2.7L is weak, unrefined, and asthmatic feeling...but it's also indestructible shy of true abuse. Wonder if the 2.4L turbo will fare as well over time?
Everybody says that. But they have an Achilles heal. A used engine is $3500 with 200k miles on it because they are failure prone. The head gaskets crack and it steams the oil off effected cylinder. Next thing you know it’s guzzling oil. Toyota quoted me $4200 labor + parts. No local shops would take it on. I ended spending 3 weekends and $800 in parts to fix it myself.
@@clintmullins4406yup, replaced a 286k mile oil burning 2tr because it popped a head gasket....
@@clintmullins4406 is this on a Gen2 4cyl?
It just be the 05-06 models but not sure. 2005-2015 are the same engine Toyota may have updated the head gasket but I’m not sure
@@tacomas9602there must be a way we can geniusly reengineer the engine so a head gasket blowing becomes a bad memory of the past by gone era
Taco sorry Frontier won my heart 39k out the door. V6 and I have hit 30.3mpg on freeway. Averaging 23 around town. 34k miles and no major issues.
Thank you for mentioning the child seat safety! As a new dad I really appreciate someone taking the time to go over that!
I'll be curious to see what kind of durability you get with a small turbo charged 4 cylinder. I'll bet it won't be very good.
Hopefully that seat IS improved, that was the main point of discontent for me with a Tacoma. Not much sense in buying a good looking truck only to have back aches after a drive in one.
I thought I was the only one!! I traded in my ‘22 sr because the seats were horrible
@@ordinarygamer1353 Well, I am 6 ft and around 167 lb. I don't think I'm tall nor short, more or less average I guess, I find ( or I should say I found that the Tacoma SR5 I owned in 2007 was so uncomfortable on a drive over 50 miles, that I had to get out and stretch . I eventually, after 2 years, had to 'give up' and trade it in on a different make of pickup, so I could enjoy driving again.
I would prefer a traditional, naturally aspirated engine. The more complicated it becomes the easier it is to break.
You mean you dont want half the reliability for only 20% more fuel economy?
Sounds like they dialed down the power level for the "base trim" to extend the life of the engine. Makes sense, as base model trucks are usually fleet vehicles. That's one more reason to go with this model, in my opinion. The only obstacle will be the dealers who will tack on more markup and make it that much more out of reach for most of us on fixed incomes.
Alex, Is it the ultimate irony that Toyota chooses to flex its muscle in the mid-size segment by offering 2 door work trucks, different bed lengths and a manual option? The naturally aspirated, 2.7 liter 4 cylinder 2TR-FE "slug" engine from the previous two generations of Tacoma is a legend. Let's give it a DECADE or two to see how the new turbo generation compares. After all, it is a work truck not a sports car. 🤨
Generally agree, especially for a work truck. But I think the myth of turbo unreliability is a relic of early 1980s turbo cars. Yes, the turbo is yet another wear item… but is anyone really gonna complain if it has to be swapped out after 200K miles? Many other drivetrain components will have a similar service life (e.g. the starter, belts, timing chain, etc. ). I don’t see the turbo as a fundamental reliability issue.
@@alliejr I mean I’ve been saying the same thing about *gm* turbo inline 4. That engine shall be bulletproof if it’s the only option they felt was the perfect fit for their mid-size trucks. It’s not what it is that determines reliability it’s how they engineer it and what its intended purpose is. *gm* has had other reliable 4 cylinders although naturally aspirated, it’s quite possible for a turbo 4 to be reliable.
The 2.7 was heavy, slow, and ancient in terms of its design. It was reliable, yes, but that's because it underperformed every other engine in its segment. Manufacturers have dumped obscene amounts of money into their turbocharged platforms to make them as reliable as possible, especially Toyota. A big part of their brand identity in North America is being known as extremely dependable and reliable, and I doubt they're going to toss out those principles out on the best selling midsized truck in the U.S. Yes, a turbo is another part to go wrong, but it's unlikely to fail before any other consumable part will. Modern turbocharged engines can easily crack 200,000 miles before having any real issues, not to mention the new Tacoma has been subject to higher standards for parts durability due to it being sold as a commercial/fleet vehicle.
@@Jenna_ I have driven 4 Tacomas with the 2.7 and it suited my needs just fine. Today, I am neither condemning or celebrating the new powertrains. Let's not forget the 'stumbles' the 3.5 V6/6speed automatic drivetrain had in its first couple of years in production.
Throw a tune on it and look out.
A base Maverick hybrid is a killer work truck for the efficiency and $24k price. I've been seeing a lot more small businesses and utilities guys driving them around.
Lol where are they selling for $24k? Ford dealers within a 1000 miles of me are selling the base XL trucks for $30k.
@@Sheepleton I bought a Lariat Maverick for MSRP at my local dealer. Fair dealerships do exist out there. I think most markups are pretty much gone these days. The market has been pulled down by interest rates.
@@Sheepleton I got our Maverick with a $700 discount
The dealers will add kinds of adjustments and half the public will walk!
@skullsroad3642 You get your thousands back when you go sell it.
THats really disappointing that you cant open the rear extended section since that storage solution is actually quite nice but seems cumbersome to be working with the seats in the way.
Compared to the stripped base truck that I’m used to from the early 1980s, this thing is fancy and a whole lot safer. Love the steel wheels. This truck will probably hold its value over time.
I thought it was more in line of what I want in a truck it’s the engine that I’m not sure about always had a V8 had a 4 cylinder car and treated it like a go kart
Not with is engine, with its engine man shits gonna be dying out a lot faster thank the v6 and v8 they use to use for their cars
@@johnpaulrosario402nah.
Is this model yet to be released? Haven't seen it anywhere when I search for it
Its wont hold its value it will gradually be worth less and less every year that goes by. If youre buying a car to retain value youre an idiot. You need to buy stock in a moral company that grows in value if retaini g value is what youre trying to do. Buying a vehicle is how to lose money 101.
The best vehicle review ever watched, thank you.
Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap but by the seeds you plant.
If the SR engine is just a detuned version of the higher trim level engines (which is something Toyota likes to do for reliability) then it's the truck to buy. That thing should run forever.
Depends if there are any physical changes on or within the motor. GM for instance uses a different block and (I think) internals for it's base Colorado engine.
@@ALMX5DPdetuned in this case is just less boost
@@tinhinnh has that been confirmed by Toyota or with parts references? I’ve been wondering about their 3.4T engine as well buy have found nothing regarding how they developed it versus the rest. If it’s only the literal tune that’s different, yeah speaks to it being a pretty stout setup, and also that people can likely find a tuner to bump it up to the higher stock level if they do desire (without any real concern for reliability concerns).
@@ALMX5DP some of the reviewers says its “less stressed” than the higher power 2.4t which means they lowered the boost just like the base tundra
Will burn premium fuel for ever too. When the turbo isn’t baking in its own oil.
Yeah, should be $18,000 to $22,000. Leaf springs are old school. I like that.
For reference he Ford Maverick starts at $23,815 and that's the least expensive truck on the market. -Travis
@@AAutoBuyersGuideits also an ugly piece of junk that will be remembered as a relic of the 2nd great depression. Im not paying 25k for a unibody ford. Ford is junk trash now. Arguably its the least reliable fords have ever been. Wouldnt touch one with my money even if i won the lottery. Wouldnt touch any of these truck makers scams. Deserve bankrupcy.
I like that Toyota is offering a 2-door extra cab in a basic work truck configuration. Unfortunately, the base price has skyrocketed about $4,000 over the outgoing model and it's gotten technically more complicated. It's also unfortunate that the extra cab isn't an access cab with clamshell doors. As Alex illustrated, lifting bulky, heavy, or long items in and out is going to be an inconvenience. If I had to go out and buy a new midsize truck right now, it would likely be the Nissan Frontier. It comes standard with a naturally aspirated 3.8L V6 and a lower starting price. I also think it's a better-looking truck.
Your right, $4650 more than the base 23 Tacoma with the utility delete option. I bought one 4 months ago. Unfortunately we have distributer/dealer add-ons in the Southeast Region. 😢
Consumer Reports just listed the Nissan Frontier as one of the least reliable vehicles (along with all Jeeps, the pacifica, and I believe a mercedes). While this new-fangled turbo taco is a bit of a gamble, I think we're all looking at Toyota's long history of reliability. Sure, reliability isn't everything - especially when today's budget is involved.
Honestly, if money is an issue, there's plenty of folks who make it work with a car. Sucks these are more expensive but they're much safer too
@@scgb5 I'll have to read up on that. I hadn't heard anything bad yet. I will say, I've been reading more and more complaints from owners about reliability problems with late model Toyotas. Probably still the safest bet for reliability, but issues are becoming more common it seems. One guy said he bought a new Corolla and his steering rack and CVT failed before 100k. I've also seen a lot of interior quality problems with Toyotas from a handful of people I've known over the years. Dashboards and armrests warping, cracking, delaminating well before 100k miles. Doors squeak and rattle. Oil burning issues from bad piston rings at around 70k-100k miles. Of course it's all out of pocket because the warranty is short.
When I picked up my new Tacoma several months ago, and was discussing the new features on Gen 4, the sales manager said “ the more things they put in a car, more things to break “. The level of complexity now is astounding!@@palebeachbum
Worth about $25k max. It's insane.
I’ll take a Frontier any day of the year. Much better engineered truck.
Renault just left the chat room
No seats in back and no 1/2 door how can we give them less for more money great job Toyota engineers
I want a manual transmission base model SR 4x4 in black. Maybe add KC highlites too 😜
Pricing tells me were gonna get a unibody mini pickup to compete against Sante Cruz/Maverick. But wow the price is $$$$$$
Yes the Toyota Stout is coming and I believe will share the global platform with the current RAV4.
In 5 more years a mavrick wont come with rims and tires, or passenger seats, itll be 100% plastic and the msrp will be 199,999.98
Well the Maverick is $6000 cheaper, but less horsepower and Toyota holds value better. So this is likely still better.
@@SiXiam
Most buyers are not basing their purchase on resale value. They are more concerned with the cost of the vehicle upfront. If I only can afford $25k, I am not going to spend $30k. Now yes the Toyota is probably going to be much more reliable, especially as it ages but if my budget only allows for $25k then I that reliability is irrelevant to me acquiring the vehicle.
It’s disappointing that you can’t get a manual in a Xtra Cab. The manual is available in SR, TRD Sport and TRD Off=Road trims with a Double Cab.
Great review on the new Toyota, but I see issues ,I have owned 3 tacomas, all 3 got pretty bad mileage for a small truck , I currently have a 2020 tacoma 4x4 v6 ,it gets around 17 mpg all around mileage , The biggest problem is total range, Once I fill up I cam go around 300 miles and if towing 200 miles before filling up, I also own a Ford F150 full size 4x4 in comparison, I get 21 mpg average and it has a extended range fuel tank ,so I can go 600 miles per tank and around 400 towing. i know people who travel a lot and off road toyotas ,many have put a larger fuel tank in and its not a big deal for more range, If toyota could do 1 thing to help the tacoma is at least offer a larger fuel tank so you can go at least 500 miles and towing 350 , I mean it's just a matter of 10 more gallons fuel capacity that is easy to do because they do it in the aftermarket, that's my opinion and I love the tacoma but give us more fuel capacity please
I kind of like it... it is a bit bigger than the old Tacoma / Hilux. Totally agree with having the manual on coil springs. The ability to swing out the rear section like an 'access cab' would be nice but maybe the crash testing prevented it. The massive front snowplow of a spoiler will be tossed. I am surprised it did not come with mud flaps and maybe more surprised at the very high cost but... it will probably last a heck of a long time. This one is small enough it should fit into the garage.
I believe the lower front spoiler is electrically retractable, and having it down is very good for saving gas.
@@Millermacs it should be electronically retractable, but it’s not. It is easily removable, however.
I mean, the 1985 Xtra Cab 4x4 Deluxe (base) trim was $9700 new, which translates to a bit over $28,000 today. It's not that much more expensive, considering how much more advanced it is.
Sometimes, all you need to do is completely make an ass of yourself and laugh it off to realise that life isn’t so bad after all.
A great review that was surprisingly thorough and covered a lot of territory in a very short time.
We aim to please even if time is a squeeze! -Travis
Not having at least a 3rd door makes gaining access to that behind the seats storage area unnecessarily awkward.
It’s fantastic except for the *price* 🤦♂️ I mean I understand it’s a Toyota but they’re not marketing for the normal working man. Contractors like landscapers, plumbers, construction workers etc would be forced to go with Chevy, Nissan, Ford due to the price. This has the most practical bed with the single cab. I love the normal/manual tailgate instead of electronic tail gate with gimmicky buttons by the taillights.
I remember my father getting a new 03 regular cab Tacoma so many years ago, paid only around 12 grand for it. How the times have changed.
Appreciate the base model review! Most of us can't afford a loaded TRD Pro
I have the 2023 4x4 2.7 extended cab SR. I am very happy with the tried & true. Being able to open the access cab is great, too.
They didn't fix the weak composite bed that can't even handle a topper being put on the bed rails without cracking the bed?! Insane. This new Tacoma is going to be a boon for Nissan and their new Frontier ...
Meanwhile honda checked themselves into the mental institutions. Finally.
driving a 2007 taco extracab. might have to keep it longer. if they made the drivers seat tilt up at the front to make access better, then maybe.
06 taco with 170K miles here and debating between a 2012 with 75K miles or wait 2 more years for a new one.
I've read a lot on issues with this engine in the new Highlander, hesitation, stuttering, surging, etc. Looking at your height, the lift height at tailgate will not be user friendly. Raising trucks has reduced their usage, I see so many trucks nowadays running empty and pulling trailers. Why buy a truck? Too many oversights on this Tacoma.
You're totally on the mark.@@randomAnnanoumousDude2134
Love the rear seat delete, but hate the access cab door not being there. Deal breaker.
"Traditionalists mad about turbo 4" as if Toyota didn't slap a turbo 4 in the 80's pickup. As if Toyota didn't make the Supra? Who could possibly think Toyota doesn't know how to make a reliable turbo engine.
Best of all, half of them are railing against the terrible injustice that denies them access to a TURBO Diesel engine. 😉🤣
@@rightlanehog3151 Well, why can't we get the turbodiesel? Because it simply lasts too long.
@@jamesgizasson It won't meet emission requirements.
@@rightlanehog3151 It will if it's exempt. :3
When you add goodies to the Nissan Frontier, they get pricy too
I would love to see a 4WD SR with the higher tow rating. 3500 pounds is ridiculously low.
For a midsize truck it’s still not terrible though. Lots of single axle campers fall into that range, and that’s really what I mostly see midsize trucks towing anyways.
@ALMX5DP The 23 can pull 5,500 lbs and as far as I'm aware most of the competition can go over 6,000
That's ridiculous, should've just had the extend cab were you can open the driver side and the passager side doors open, UGH you have to literally hang over the first seat to get to anything in the back, its just wrong! Great storage though at least some people were thinking!
Not the competitiors ... but the greedy dealers will kill Toyota eventually !!!
But Toyota raised the MSRP.
no ext cab door is a deal breaker for this truck. lugging heavy stuff over a seat for that much money. they failed on that part .
my sentiment exactly.
Tacomas used to be trucks. very good detailed video. IF i was to own the new 4th gen, I'd get this base model and build it up..
I really hate "top of the dash" mounted screens...I know that's the only way to get larger screens as centre stack space is limited, but they're much better integrated in full size trucks.
Just bought a Frontier S King cab. Wouldn’t trade it for that.
My dealership says King cabs are impossible to get up here in Canada. Crew is what everyone wants. I am an exception apparently. I have yet to take a Frontier for a drive as I don’t care for a crew cab.
There has been so much controversy around the turbo four engine, you cleared alot that up and why the turbo is right for a four. The Tacoma is a bit expensive with minimal options,but the extended cab and the option of a six foot box is nice. Good video.
I love it. It would be great for my work. It has all the base features in want/need. I'm by myself 99.9% of the time. My only concern is seat comfort because prior Tacoma's seats have not been comfortable. I would also put a cap on it.
The Reporter sounds honest..!
Holy cow! $40k? This was my last hope of getting into a toyota truck this year but i refuse to pay that much. Im going to have to take a chance and wait for the stout and see how that does.
Keep an eye on used 3rd generation prices.
The base model with no options is 32K.
Bought my 1993 toyota sr5 manual 5 speed fully loaded used in 1994 with 14,000 miles for $15,000.00.Granted that was 30 years ago but the prices on new trucks as well as used are mind blowing to me. Am considering a complete overhaul on it.
Nice review! I was originally by the 2.4 turbo. However, the base version of the engine sounds tempting. I like the idea of leaf springs in the rear and the clean look of the base model! I'm sold, although I'll miss my 2015 base model. Maybe keep both?
When I first saw this truck and popped the hood I thought this truck is wider than my first truck a 1978 F150 and it is. It’s also two inches narrow of the 2025 ford f150. The Taco has grown from 66” wide to 78.5”.
I really wish that back space was gone and the SR had an 8' bed. it's not a work truck unless you can carry sheet goods, a bed full of gravel, or a load of manure.
My last 3 trucks I could fit a 4x8 sheet of plywood without dropping the tailgate. I just don't get 4 door trucks with 4 or 5 foot truck beds.
They are cars with an open trunk
Proof that i'm poor, will just keep driving my long ago paid for 2006 Tundra past the 300,000 mile mark which I will probably hit this year.
Wish Toyota kept the trusty 2.7 i4 with old price tag for small business that doesn't require heavy duty work. Also true that customers like myself may not have long term reliability expectations on new 4cyl turbo engines. But I guess Toyota has no option with pressure Government + EPA putting on them. Atleast I'm happy Toyota went less stressed turbo route along with port+direct injection and timing belt, etc vs companies like Honda with cylinder deactivation, direct injection only, timing belt, etc.. I think GM can go down to 2 cylinders which amazes me to hear that. But many customers don't care or don't know about technical details of their vehicle.
I was expecting mid 20’s range price to get into it, at the Highest. Work truck and over 34k? They need a base one without extra features under 20k. 34 grand is too much. We need a simpler version 4 cyl 2.7 in a slightly smaller configuration.
If you are upset about the prices, just know you asked for this, and you voted for this.
How reliable will this new engine/transmission combo be? Also, what were the options on this particular model and were they tested?
Who the eff knows yet??
Wondering if anyone is going to make a swap kit for this new transmission on the 3rd gen v6. lol.
I like my 2023 Tacoma SR, and of course I have added a few extras to this base model, doing the add On's myself.
I suddenly have an urge for Tacos