STORMGATE - Vanguard Units with Artosis
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
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This is the concise description that I've been wanting. These should be mandatory for every race! Thanks for the insight Artosis.
artosis reading like a hostage reading a manifesto, are you safe man? blink 3 times if you're kidnapped
hope these are not the final models for the units and only place-holders... looks 2009 cellphone game tier.
Agree, reads like a paid ad he's reading off a script.
I assume it's because he made a script for this, and he's extremely bad at reading of a script. But super informative, so I won't complain.
@@Zapall01 Crazy how being purely informative and concise can be received and judged so poorly. Maybe he should act like an influencer with bombastic inflection and play a worthless Minecraft video in the background
@@fishmarketer Holy crap you missed the point and showed your own colors.
Hedgehogs already look like a balance issue in their current design form, quick moving building snipers? I can taste the salt.
The content of this video was super entertaining and informative. Artosis is always methodical and well researched! I think it’s nice to have a calm, friendly family video like this that I got to share with my kiddos (8 and 10) who are budding RTS fans. Well done buddy!
Thank you for making this video Artotis - great comparisons, super helpful to understand just starting out. You rock!!! 🙂
Definitely we needed this from one of the best rts caster and player
Player no.Caster yes!
@@LiquidatoR.95 poor arty xD
@@LiquidatoR.95 Might not be the best player but he still plays better than like 90% of his chat
Yeah, but Harstem wasn't available, so we have to settle for Artosis! (just kidding Arty)
Artosis genuinely looks like he's aged about 50 years from Brood War ladder/Twitch chat.
Atleast he's still got a full head of hair.
Comment for algorithm! Also super stoked to see you posting videos for this!
8:20 yay, Terrans finally got their own Reaver and Shuttle tactics
It's interesting to see so many buffs/debffs able to be cast on friendly or enemy units. Makes me wonder if we'll see some varied unit compositions (perhaps what the developers were hoping to push)?
Upgraded Medtech can work well with both bio and mech type of units, so for sure some units are extremly versatile
Yeah I actually really like the direction they went with these buffs and debuffs. It feels like something that would be much better for balancing across the board, as lower-tier players won't use them to their fullest and top players will.
So instead of just changing the unit values directly, you could alter the buffs and debuffs and still create meaningful balance changes in a more targeted way.
The sentinel going into a "mineral" line to slow down mineral gathering by 50%?
Very informative!
nice overview
this is why i enjoy campaign mode. get to learn the game bit by bit
I dont know seems alright but there isnt a single unit that really excites me. They need some bigger late game units to get casuals engaged.
they havent shown the tier 3 units yet
These are all T1/T2 units. As for casuals being engaged, I feel like the Vulcan is already pretty iconic.
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Bobs are Warcraft 3 Human Peasants, they build in groups but are vulnerable and their town hall turns them into "Militia".
The hedgehog are command and conqueror Generals GLA rocket buggies, super fast hit and run micro buggies with a long reload good at sieging and pretty meh vs light ground units.
Maybe it's just me but the Lancer is a Footman and the Exo is the Rifleman from Warcraft 3.
Bob's are also peasants
@@austinc6973 yup
The only similarity is they are both melee units. The differences are: splash, no defend, buff when attacked. So basically everything else. The comparison are just starting points, all the units are wildly different. Adding a single ability or stat change (move speed, attack range, attack aoe) makes the units incredibly different.
@@mauriciorossi8477 I never said they were the same but they resemble footman way more than zealots. Yes they don't have defend but defend was to counter range units and the Lancer can chase down range units because of the speed boost so it still fits the bill even if it possibly is based off zealot's charge. And yea the exo's ability is like stimpack but the unit controls like a rifleman. And then most off all they resemble the footman rifleman combo because unlike marines and zealots they are on the same race meaning you can get the old combo of melee in front range in the back with the medtec replacing priests and sorceress. In the coop mode there is an exo variant literally called rifleman and you have a paladin as the hero exactly like the wc3 paladin rifleman build. Though I guess they are similar to the zealot stalker/immortal combo.
Also the dragoon like spider crab reminds me a of a siege engine mixed with a mortar team. And then the rest of the units remind me of terran.
@@BagginsessSorry but that's hogwash. You literally said and I quote "Lancer is Footman and Exo is Rifleman"
Bruh the siege tank is basically Pacifier FAV from Red alert 3
everytime u switch to starcraft u can clearly see the huge diference... SC2 is just on another level man.
Really love these indepth explanations. Awesome job Artosis!
Good Overview! Thank you arti!
Hey, you can copy my homework, just change it a little.
I dont know if its just me but this game feel souless
I hope this game succeeds, but the current iteration looks really conservatively designed to me. Maybe so much focus on esports and balance that it's missing fun/exciting stuff?
Hey artosis. Today I want to watch your video. Let’s start off with hitting the play button.
This is excellent after just getting into the alpha/beta
Very good vid about units. I like how you point out similarities and differences to units we all know.
Fantastic video! This is the style of overview I really enjoy watching, so this saves me the trouble of having to make one haha
Artosis this is actually very helpful because i had no idea what any units did from stormgate. I’m very excited about this game ! I plan on playing vanguard so this is awesome. I hope you continue that series as we get more information about the game. Thanks Dadtosis
my prediction will be similar to what happened in sc2, instead of making the best possible game ever, they are trying to make a 'next generation of competitive RTS' what made broodwar and lol so good was they organic evolution of their popularity and fun. sc2 was a great successor to bw, but it couldnt carry the crown. i'll be excited to see if storm gate or any of these next gen rts's will be able to carry the load.
Good god that remind me of the horrible failure that was Dawn of War 3.
Though that is a worst case scenario. I can see Stormgate establishing a solid niche if they refine it a bit more.
@@scatterlite2266 that makes me sad to think about.... DoW was so good... DoW 2 was a little worse but it was different, should have named it something different, DoW3, we dont talk about that.
They are weird. Is it just marketing or lack of clear design philosophy? They are talking both focus on the competitive side and the casual side, both on innovation and just mashing together what sc and wc3 have to offer, it is supposed to be both new player friendly and challenging. So far only the 3vE mode seems like they're trying something new. Innovation and QoL features are a meme
Very informativ. Thank you.
Spoken like a true prodigy! The information and script of this video are well broken down and simplified. Well done to you and your editor.
Vulcan is literally tychus from hots lol
Finally!! I have been waiting for a video like this for months, thanks Dan.
Awesome thank you for I have been trying to watch some of these casts and was not really enjoying it. hopefully this helps. it seems that the maps are ... smaller ? ... than SC2 maps. Maybe it is the scale or something. But thank you this series helps.
The siege tank is my favorite unit, i like it because it rewards you for taking important places on the map away from your opponent, the tank in this game doesnt look like it does enough damage to hold down an area, like really fast units are going to be able to dance around the tank shots and kill the frontline without getting hit
It looks more Reaver-like to me, especially when it was harassing with drops, and like scarabs the attack has a travel time
Makes sense. Look how a little Bradley just killed a t90.
Atlas may have slower and weaker ammo, but it leaves the ground smoldering.
Well that was the issue with the original siege tank. Which is more balanced and encouraged more combined arms more than it's SC2 variant.
you set a few up in a choke and have them ground fire in a line so enemies run thru an entire arty barrage. Also even in sc/sc2 you never leave tanks on their own.
Is the medtech dispel ability autocastable like a wc3 ability?
This was awesome, thanks!
No Battlecruiser equivalent = Shut up and take my money
The art is getting MUCH better.
How so?
@@mvsebastian look at it
@@mvsebastian Models are great. Textures are ok.
@@bigchunk1 models look like cheap toys lol. SC2 has a bit of that issue, but its being saved by its realism
Arty is not amused to read this lol.
This reminds me of how Heroes of Newerth came from DOTA.
These units are so obviously just a replica of Terran but slightly changed. Currently for unclear benefit.
Fellow hon bro
Does the habitat currently do anything besides being a supply structure?
The Vulcan is like Tychus from HOTS
Thanks Artosis.
The hedgehog's burrow ability reminds me of the ability the tick tank had in Tiberian Sun with it burrowing into the ground to make it more sturdy in a fight, the hornet's RTB also being something Allied vindicators and apollo fighters had in Red Alert 3.
i dont like what they have built. i hope its the real deal, but i dont like these units for one, the graphics annoy me. the engine seems to be good.
Awesome deeing Artosis doing some more Stormgate content!
Artosis should lead with "yOu GuYs WaNt Me tO pLaY a FakE gAmE??
Vulkans are the army of Tychuses
Vulcan is basically Tychus from HotS.
idk the specific design philosophy behind the game (and what "new"/improved things it wants to bring to the table) but from the presentation it very much seemed that many of the units shown r pretty micro intensive
Hey Arty. Nice hair cut. Your mom give it to you?
Lol
The vulcan is just an autocannon dreadnaught from DoW. The vulture thing is just a buggy from C&C Generals.
Will there be variants or factions within factions each with skins, models, voices or abilities?
- Like a Certain Vanguard with steampunk technology and their dog is a mutant Kane Carso or cyborg rottweiler that is a "bruiser" not a shepherd scout. A hybrid of melee tank and anti-infantry. They got steam powered artillery firing 40-inch white phosphorus shells against buildings and clockwork ballista for rapid anti-air firing. The old-school mechs and soldiers are dressed and decorated in Napolean style clothing. They are demi-humans known as "dwarves". But they have a French, not Irish accent. Preferring wine over beer. When destroying mechanical units or enemy buildings, they can "salvage" to increase production speed of their own mechanical units or speed up the construction of buildings at a discount price.
- Maybe a in certain Inferno branch there is someone like Archimonde or Jaraxxus summoning them infernos? Like a boss or powerful non-playable hero. They got "Butchers" over "Brutes". Even some balrogs and pit lords as their heavier units that do nasty cleave damage for aoe or mighty shockwaves touching not just land, but enemy flying units. As they are quality over quantity... Absurdly powerful, but expensive units that take up a population cap.
love you
This games development reminds me dawn of war 3 levels of disaster.
Why are they replicating SC2? Yea there are some differences but the core seems pretty much the same to me. Isn't gonna feel incredibly similar to playing SC2? Or what is the great added value they are bringing to the table that would make this so much better than SC2. I would like to know since I honestly don't see what that would be, from the progress released so far at least. They would need to bring an incredible amount of added value to make this succeed, but they seem (to me at least) to just be recreating an already existing game in SC2 with some differences.
The most interesting part of SG is the smart macro-commands and what game modes it brings... units not so much...
game designers are morally and creatively bankrupt in 2024
@@HasekuraIsuna Smart macro commands? Like you don't have to select a worker to build something? So much to make a new game because of it lol
Thanks RT, this was very well explained
They're not reinventing the wheel or anything, but it seems to be very solid gameplay, so far. Ain't broke, don't fix it.
I do think the "command center" buildings need more personality and presence. The overall art style is fine - League of Legends-esk, although I prefer the look Zerospace is going for.
It's gonna be a tough choice between the two. Every time I see a video for one I think "oh sweet, I'm leaning towards this one now".
One thing I've noticed is I haven't gotten excited for any particular unit in ZS whereas in SG I'm already lovin the Lancer and Vulcan. Can't explain why, just do.
The infernal host buildings look much better than the Vanguard. I think the "command center" and the barracks definitely need some work but many things on the vanguard are place holder models like the hedgehog and command center "orbital scout" thing.
@@invader_jim2837 the lancers, exos, and vulcans are my favorite. It's like a warcraft 3 human footman and rifleman composition but with "titanfall" goliaths.
@@Bagginsess The infernal command center looks like a weird vase, I really hope they change that.
@@invader_jim2837 The Lancer's animation is so satisfying. That quick, precise swipe really feels like they are doing some serious damage.
"Are very similar to X."
"Are very similar to Y."
I wonder if this game will ever get units that aren't "very similar" to something.
Did you watch the video?
Very noice, this gets a watch from me for sure if you do this for every faction of Stormgate / Zerospace
6:57 they remenber me goliaths
Id love for you to do the same video with Infernal units! Keep up the good work!
I want to see a joke version of this post-launch where you talk about how bullshit and unfair the units are in an escalation of both anger and pitch.
5:19 YEAH MY RON JEREMY BUILDS GONNA POUND EM!
The Vulcan looks like a Tychus from SC2
im here for more stormgate content
Really liked this video.
btw, the Atlas looks terrible...
Unsieged is not that bad, but in siege mode looks awful.
I really hope they change the design in the future.
this feels like such a low number of unit variation. is this supposed to be increased on release? or are they planning to add new units later with expansions?
Yes, they’ve only released tier one and two units. The other units will be added in later
I do enjoy greatly Stormgate content! Thanks for posting the video, will be following what ends up coming out on this channel and artosisCasts2
I like the unit type so far, but man, they really lack "punch" when attacking so far.
I agree, not sure of its the sound design, animations, or a culmination of things, but something is off.
fantastic video i cant wait for release
sweet
you said Vulcan doesnt remind u of any RTS units well the Vulcan Reminds me of Tychus from starcraft 2, or Heroes of the storm Tychus, Vulcan plays alot like Tychus but way less damage
Are the workers called "Bob" because they're... the builder?
@artosistv Can you proc the lancer's/exo's buff yourself by attack your own units? I noticed the "minerals" are not spread out there seem to all bunch up so a AoE harass like a storm drop will be super strong is there a unit that has an AOE similar to storm/widow mine?
Vulcan kind of resembles an Assault Dreadnought from WH40k Dawn of War series, especially the DoW 2 version, which doesn't have Jump Jets, but it's Assault Cannon has ability to mow down an area in a cone, dealing massive damage and supressing enemy infantry.
man i wished they kept tankivacs, it was so cool ofcourse it needed nerf but still
No invisible units/abilities in Stormgate it seems. Might be a good thing given the higher number of abilities and mechanics SG has over SC.
I mean, FG need to do something about how the game looks. Not even necessarily the graphic style, but the lightning or camera or something. It looks like SC1 more than SC2 and SC2 is 14 years old.
I just want to know if it's just me, but I don't really feel any appeal to any of the unit designs? Like the Zealot in Starcraft is fucking "cool" - psi wrist blades, super tanky warriors, like it's a "cool" concept. The units in stormgate feel like Fortnite skins almost. They all feel so inoffensive and boring. I hope the third race is more exciting.
Edit: ghosts, zerglings, goliaths, hydras, stalkers and dragoons, carriers, vikings and BC's, there are no shortage of awesome units in Starcraft.
Meanwhile in Stormgate, atlas is a siege frog
I look forward to seeing the other race(s) in the future 🎉
All of these units are malformed clones of SC2 units.
this looks line starcraft 1.5
I'm so hyped to play this game
Why are there so few units?
dang, lots of new information to me.
Can't learn any of this just by watching games.
good vid 😀👍
Looks less strategy and macro focused and much MUCH more micro intensive. I don't think that's a good balance.
The mid tier mech seems similar to the unit sc2 tried to introduce when they wanted to remove the Thor. The mecha looking mini Thor.
The Vulcan reminds me of the Reaper mechs from an old RTS game called Dark Colony.
For a counterpart otthat jetpack mech unit we have the Command and conquer Avatar/Purifier or the King Oni empire of the rising sun imperial mech.
The oni is closer since it can charge and has close range attacks.
The avatar is more of a ranged unit BUT they purifier comes with a flame thrower that is good vs light units in close range.
I dont think Artosis is super excited about stormgate he sounds like he doesnt even wanna make the video
The vulkan looks like Tychus as a co-op commander in SC2.
hope we get a video of the infernal host units too!
I do hope this is all the units "so far". I know we are still very early on but the units right now feel underwhelming to me. (clarify: like 2-3 units short. Missing the big dogs like Thor or Battlecruiser. Time to kill also seems too slow to me. Graphics still need polish.)
I don't know if graphics are final, it looks they are not. But almost none of these units feel cool... Well except giant mecha with gun, but even it needs more polished details. One of the things I liked in sc2 was how cool were units. I wanted to use Thor because it looked and felt great. Same for ghost or dark templar.
Vulcan seems very similar to Tychus from Heroes of the Storm.
yeah good call! forgot about that - hated tychus and never used him in hots LOL
Honestly this game just looks like a SC2 clone from China or something. Is all the models for the game finished?
i think its a step in the right direction, looking forward to beta :)
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Man I really wish they can add more units on Vanguard or unit variation; there is a disturbing lack of variety on then then being just a terran clone its not what I has expecting from then.