Wow, so pleased to see someone who genuinely appreciates the engineering talent that we have in the UK and who's not afraid to challenge the current "fashion" of battery powered vehicles.
Horses for courses, most industry experts say that hydrogen should be for heavy goods, heavy plant, and aviation. Both Lord B and Harry are disingenuous when they say hydrogen combustion engines are zero emission, they produce Oxides of Nitrogen (NOx). Currently 98% of hydrogen production isn't green, so we'll need to ensure that the oil and gas companies don't try to push their grey hydrogen. It's a shame that he doesn't know that "Musk" is already developing Cobalt free batteries. There are also Sulphur batteries and even better, Solid State batteries.
The real question is if you're basing your economy on a synthetic fuel (hydrogen), why not just make a synthetic liquid hydrocarbon fuel instead? That way you wouldn't need to change the engines or even the fuel infrastructure at all. Refueling a liquid fuel tank is far faster, simpler, cheaper and safer than using highly compressed and volatile hydrogen.
So interesting. This demonstrates very clearly why Engineers need to lead the way, get the status and recognition they deserve, and be represented at the top of British politics.
About 6yrs ago, I worked for a company who made an electric city road sweeper. Design duty cycle ( between charges) required was 8hrs. We developed it to have two batteries that could quickly be removed and charged separately. This allowed it to run pretty much non stop. Problem was price. Several councils in various countries had them for trials and loved them. Price of the diesel version was around £60,000. Battery powered version, over £200,000.
His points on inflationary vehicle prices are spot on, it’s been happening in stealth for several years now and it’s absolutely intentional by the car manufacturers who have taken the ‘easy route’ for EV development (BEV) by bringing to market unrealistically expensive cars that appeal only to the wealthy to make them feel better about saving the planet, which they aren’t doing by buying EV. Then the price gap in the range is simply filled in by raised the existing price of the ICE vehicles. Honestly, if we can co very existing engines to run off of hydrogen then we can use all our existing cars and stop building new as a way of fixing the planet - reuse and recycle as much as possible.
Absolutely true, we'll said. If you listen to auto execs from Ford or GM, they are going along with this push to worldwide socialism. According to them, you won't own a car in the future. You will simply call for one for a certain time and get a ride to your destination. No more just hopping behind the wheel and hitting the back roads for a relaxing drive through the hills. They are building electric appliances that won't give you the joy of running through the gears, downshifting for a corner, and hearing the exhaust note as the ram's go up and down.
It's crazy. The EU is partly to blame aswell, they have stricter restrictions on tiny city cars than they do on big luxury SUVs. It's clearly driven by money and not a wish to reduce emissions.
@@strangelove9608 Agree - my company does a lot of work for JCB - they are great to work with, a fantastic British success story that supports a lot of other industries.
@@brayworthpark5542 shame I believe they were so in favour of brexit which was for some of their very customers, farmers, a disaster and not to mention for many of the rest of us......... But yes, a good UK company.
@@garymurraya I think people need to move on from Brexit now... my personal opinion is that once eventually worked through Brexit could actually be beneficial..it is what it is.
@@barrynash5565 i think a lot about brexit sir, and for me it has ended a 15 year old business. Does he know more than the government and banks and 80% of the chamber of commerce? Of course he and you and I always know what we are talking about, in theory, but when the majority of businesses are against what you think, well maybe "you" dont know and maybe the majority rules, rather than the older people and the bigots of the country. ANyway, its a futile argument as apart from the billions already spent/wasted in preparing for brexit, on both sides, we will never know if it works, as there will always be an excuse, but go ask the scottish fisherman, ask the farmers, ask anyone who exports to the EU, then get back to me with all he knows. Just as he is rich and successful, based on a family business, ie born into money, does not necessarily mean he, or witherspoons know what they are talking about....
Statements in this video are a bit misleading: Some new li-ion batteries did not use cobalt at all exactly because of limited supply mostly from shady unstable countries, this is also done for reducing price which falling constantly as cheaper compounds being developed. Copper in Tesla car motors was replaced by aluminium, others will follow if not done so already both in terms of battery and motors to limit their EVs to readily available affordable materials or at least limit use of expensive ones to a minimum. Thus hydrogen is currently destined for special-purpose applications where low weight or special logistic requirements are more important, as there currently is not a way to produce hydrogen both cheaply and eco-friendly for a wide-scale application like civilian cars. While you can use excess energy from renewables, the energy conversion ratio for getting hydrogen through electrolysis from water is rather poor when compared to use that energy for battery charging. I would personally prefer a hydrogen fuel cell plug-in hybrid with a 30kW battery for usual driving needs compared to an EV with a 100kW+ battery for comparable primary do-it-all car performance any day, but without eco-friendly mass production and hydrogen infrastructure it does not make any sense to even bother, As for using hydrogen for combustion, this is at best stop gap technology that will be hard sell in any country with hash environmental protection laws as are expected to become the norm in the future... But wait, there is more, check some issues Toyota has with developing ICE hydrogen engine: ua-cam.com/video/3IPR50-soNA/v-deo.html
@@IonorReasSpamGenerator do your homework. It makes more sense to use lpg, the energy density, and efficiency is higher. The CO2 produced breaks down with photosynthesis and is locked in by plants. Solar cells and wind generation doesn’t supply our needs, and is a poor use of land. Plant grasses.
@@secallen i don't think customers have had a chance to vote with their wallets on this yet , as its not being offered as a product. So you can't say customers are or are not being fooled. If it is ever launched then its possible some might get caught by this boondoogle as it offers - at first glance - technology they are famiar with (i.e. combustion engines). That is always a comfort blanket to those of conservative minded disposition. This is at first glance only though..and the fact you fuel them and they sound similar on start up belies the facfs that this approach is in fact very different from combustion engines they are used to. Long term (full life cycle) they will be problematic in servicing and environmental Nox emissions as well as fundamentally wantonly wasteful and will be very costly by comparison. If JCB get initial pricing at partial discount (i.e. hiding development and initial production costs as loss leaders) then the machines might be on par with current diesel ticket prices ..but long term with the additional very high costs of servicing and maintenance (compared with diesels) along with paying for double the amount of hydrogen that you would need compared with say hydrogen fuel cell then the customer will lose out - big style (JCB will win though). The sunk cost investment into the kit will likely keep customers coming back for more though - unless short term contract leasing lets them escape earlier. Whilst you can 'fool people for some of the time' overall and longer term this technology approach is a cul-de-sac dead end to nowhere. See my lengthy response elsewhere for the underlying physics and engineering reasons why that is.
A brilliant video, our politicians are reactionary, they're very seldom pro active,they need to see this. Lord Bamford is a pleasure to watch and listen to,so modest,well done Harry.
I see JCB machines on sites, operators love them, managers trust them. Now I know better how they develop an engine for the future: they are amazing! Not just tractors and plant machines, but also buses, HGVs, LGVs and Electricity Generators will be burning clean and efficient! Blown away by this British ingenuity! Thanks for the video!
Wow that’s amazing, our Government should get behind this and help make it reality. JCB could easily be a world leader in this technology, and should be. 👌👌👌
@@bighands69 Nope your right, but without Government support with infrastructure it would never get off the ground. Thought that would of been obvious really.
@@bighands69 its not the role of government but it kinda is. Look at the subsidies being poured into green energy, and evs. If a fraction.of that was put into a hydrogen supply chain they would be off to the races
@@denisovanhybrid9610 No - his point is well made I think. I suspect you don't understand what you are really talking about. So I ask also - what is your point exactly? Hydrogen fuel cells coupled with electric motors ( which in terms of power to weight ratios vastly outperform any combustion engines) can easily cope with whatever JCB do. You realise that the largest powerplant transports on earth (aircraft carriers) run on electric motors. The UKs new QE class carriers for example output over 100,000 horse power at props shaft via electric motive power. Getting onto to 500 times more than the feeble 250 horsepower that largest JCBs put out. Hell, my Tesla puts out much more than the largest JCB machine. Laughable.
Am i listening to really outdated and uninformed information here? First of all japan has already looked into mass producing hydrogen vehicles a long time ago. Second all internal combustion engines can run off hydrogen. Third there has been hydrogen powered buses here in America for years. They are developed by a company calles the sun bus. Last but not least Toyota has the most advanced hydrogen fuel cells. This video seriously made me feel like my brain was losing 📉 intelligence.
@@denisovanhybrid9610 but we’re saying fuel cells convert hydrogen at 70% to electrical energy compared to only 25% when you combust it! Please understand before one of us dies. 😀
Am i listening to really outdated and uninformed information here? First of all japan has already looked into mass producing hydrogen vehicles a long time ago. Second all internal combustion engines can run off hydrogen. Third there has been hydrogen powered buses here in America for years. They are developed by a company calles the sun bus. Last but not least Toyota has the most advanced hydrogen fuel cells. This video seriously made me feel like my brain was losing 📉 intelligence.
@@mikebradshaw8530 This is different in that it is a hydrogen combustion engine. Toyota cars and most green busses are mostly hydrogen fuel cell to electric motors.
@@reonvanwijk Toyota City, Japan, April 22, 2021―Toyota Motor Corporation (Toyota) announced today that, toward the achievement of a carbon-neutral mobility society, it is developing a hydrogen engine. It has installed the engine on a racing vehicle based on Toyota's Corolla Sport, which it will enter in competition under the ORC ROOKIE Racing banner starting with the Super Taikyu Series 2021 Powered by Hankook Round 3 NAPAC Fuji Super TEC 24 Hours Race on May 21-23 global.toyota/en/newsroom/corporate/35209996.html
@@mikebradshaw8530 at last some one with a brain.. You are totally right.. Its incredible how people just don't understand when the knowledge and data is in plain sight.. Just look at the Tesla Plaid.. That battery pack could run a 8 tonne excavator all day maybe even a 13 tonne excavator..
@@reonvanwijk yes and that makes it 100x worse... Its simply a terrible idea. Plus the cost of producing the hydrogen.. Just not a commercially worth while..
A site in London is only allowed EV diggers. They run for 4 hrs but take 12 hours to recharge using a large Diesel generator on site. You couldnt make this b.s up.
What creates less emissions; multiple vehicles running on individual ICE motors or multiple electric vehicles charging from a single ICE motor? What site is this on? Where did your 4 hour / 12 hour figures come from? You call it bullshit but have made no attempt to actually prove it. Lazy.
My word! I have been talking about hydrogen fuelled ic engines for years but folk seem to be conditioned to think electric. Now JCB have blown the lid off the arguments so I am ecstatic. Now we need to move this very rapidly into the consciousness of politicians and the public. Lets do this. Thank you JCB and Harry's Garage for covering H² so well.
I couldn't agree more!!! I've dreams of this since I was a kid in school playing around with electrolysis. Harness the sun to create electricity and hydrogen and the world will run on clean energy! No need for mining rare earth materiels or fossil fuels.
Did he not move manufacturing of his main jcbs to India??? Is jcb not a tax dodging pro brexit? Got fined by eu for dodgy trading. Are pro brexit.. and yes. He is precisely the type of leader UKanians love. Posh voice and a title too. Oooh swooooon.
with war with China coming up I really want to see this really happen because you know what would be really interesting for politicians trying to actually talk their way out of that one. everybody's all great with electric until it gets really cold outside
Hydrogen sucks. Hydrogen is NOT a fuel - you have to make it from a fuel. Hydrogen is the mist inefficient energy storage known to man. you will lose 80 of the energy, before it powers your vehicle. Hydrogen can leak though any tank or pipe, no matter what it is made of. You can lose 2% of your hydrogen every day, through leakage and cooling. R
HHO generators are a great way forward!! Hydrogen is the most common atom in the universe and theres 2 stuck to every oxygen atom in the H2O water molecule. Water fractured with electrolysis is a super cheap and clean way forward and zero emissions will be easily within reach HHO engines burn clean and the only by product is water. HHO can be separated out very simply and hydrogen bled off and oxygen used for other jobs if you require.
@@rhett7716 Toyota know already, they spent more last 6months in developing solid state battery's than they did in hydrogen. That's a big red flag for me
@@andyjota8906 Design and build a power plant exclusive to hydrogen and all will be settled.Hydrogen on-demand, injected directly should be the obvious approach.
Love how Lord B avoids naming the UK gov etc by saying "the powers that be" a Lordship doesn't come without the perks, benefits or OTC payments for being one . But all in all JCB is an awesome British brand which I credit him for, looking forward and investing for the future for green energy and maintaining a skilled workforce that can move with the times and technology..
Am i listening to really outdated and uninformed information here? First of all japan has already looked into mass producing hydrogen vehicles a long time ago. Second all internal combustion engines can run off hydrogen. Third there has been hydrogen powered buses here in America for years. They are developed by a company calles the sun bus. Last but not least Toyota has the most advanced hydrogen fuel cells. This video seriously made me feel like my brain was losing 📉 intelligence.
@@mikebradshaw8530 British Gas have been developing fuel cell engines, at Loughborough University since 1998 and maybe earlier, but we don't see them in many vehicles - why do you think that is? the answer is cost, you're either very rich or too stupid to care about us hoi polloi, did you miss the part where Harry discussed the price premium for a bog standard, small family car?
As someone who works in the live events industry, this option would also provide a solution to the portable power sector. Hydrogen-powered generators would be an obvious route to take for not only festivals and concerts, but also construction ancillary infrastructure such as site lighting, etc.
This article is really interesting to me. I have experimented with constructing a hydrogen generator on a small scale and have made small amounts of hydrogen in my basement workshop. I have often wondered why automobile manufacturers aren't looking into hydrogen powered cars. It seems to be the perfect solution to carbon gas emissions. Thanks for the article.
@@abdullahal-ahmati5030 - Definitely would be cheaper creating and storing Hydrogen then refining Crude. Refineries are Mega expensive and regulated to the max. Hydrogen and nuclear are the future of energy. The big oil companies are just trying to slow it down because it will destroy their hold on the world market. Electric is still mainly created with fossil fuels. That is the only reason the big oil companies are even allowing electric vehicles to exist. The sooner we realize we need to take matters into our own hands and remove the government from the decision making, the sooner we can eliminate the need for fossil fuels and go full nuclear and hydrogen. The government is pushing solar and wind when neither can make even close to enough energy for our world.
Harry, well done for looking at this. So so interesting. Thank you for promoting JCB - a fantastic British company and well done to them for their engineering ingenuity. Look forward to see how this pans out in the future.
hydrogen has the problem of lesser efficiency - you have to transport the hydrogen around, EV's do not have this problem. On top of that making hydrogen itself is also not very efficient energy wise. Battery powered cars are not without problems either, however. I like the idea of hydrogen cars for the sake of the driving experience (engine sound, manual gearbox etc.)
While it might be cheaper up front than an electric car, the running costs will be massively higher. To get hydrogen you need a lot of processing, which requires electricty. Transporting compressed hydrogen is also much more expensive in power terms than just running electrons down an overhead wire, even with losses in the grid. This is why battery-electric cars are better at turning watts from the power-station into miles on the road than fuel-celled ones. A combustion engine will almost certainly be less efficient at turning hydrogen into power than fuel cells (most combustion engines are about 20% efficient compred to 40-60% for fuel cells), so even fewer watts from the power station get turned to miles on the road. I'd imagine the running costs will be at least 10x worse. For certain commercial vehicles, in certain cases, this may make more sense. But for city cars for commuting and the shops, you'd be better off getting a used Telsa for ~£35K
Your lack of logic astounds me. It is very hard to tame detonation in a h2 ice engine. The reciprocating engines BMW were testing suffered knock. H2 works better in rotary engines. Given an ice engines typical efficiency of 20%, and the entire supply chain energy cost of generating that hydrogen and distributing it, then 5 - 10x more renewable energy might need to be generated overall, to produce the same power at the wheels, than for a pure battery ev that has a >97% conversion efficiency. H2 fuel cell cars, are not much better. H2 fc cars are basically a battery powered ev with the fc charging the battery, and a h2 to electricity conversion efficiency of eg 40%.
Why would he mention it...? He was educated at a famous independent school comes from a wealthy family and English gentlemen of his background are understated.
What an enlightening video Harry, filling a tank with hydrogen gas is going to be a lot faster than a slow charge from the national grid. Lord Bamford needs some investment into his hydrogen engine development as I would like to see them as a serious alternative to an electric car.
@@yup3398 it’s a hydrogen fuel cell!! Which is a shit tonne better then batteries it’s forward thinking! Long term engineering! obviously we can’t just keep plugging our EV in fossil fuel powered power stations for ever…….Co2 emissions went up last year even with planes not flying and many many cars off the road 🤔
This is rivetingly interesting. I have long extolled the virtues of hydrogen power but have always been decried as being too difficult and logistically impossible. This gives an insight into the future of motor transport and travel
Am i listening to really outdated and uninformed information here? First of all japan has already looked into mass producing hydrogen vehicles a long time ago. Second all internal combustion engines can run off hydrogen. Third there has been hydrogen powered buses here in America for years. They are developed by a company calles the sun bus. Last but not least Toyota has the most advanced hydrogen fuel cells. This video seriously made me feel like my brain was losing 📉 intelligence.
@@mikebradshaw8530 Actually if you watch the entire video you see that they explain that this is nothing new, it's the way and application they give to it.
Great video! Love that the UK is at the vanguard of that technology and that JCB have an academy at that scale! Brilliant! Can we have a Harry feature on Lord Bamford’s car collection please!
Japan has already invested in Hydrogen for cars. So we are not at the forefront of this technology actually we are running behind because of a lack of political will. Johnson for some reason only sees electric as a solution being blind to the obvious solution which is Hydrogen.
@@mikeuk1954 I'm sorry you are incorrect mate, as the Japanese are using hydrogen fuel cells, which creates electricity that powers the electric motors that drive the wheels, however what JCB are doing is completely different to a hydrogen internal combustion engine 🤔
Really good story, BMW was experimenting with this many years ago already. Makes sense to have more than one solution, aside from the fact that all these rare earths are very finite indeed.
@@Lemma01 - so true. I was on a business trip in India and was amazed at how many JCBs there were. I think they have a factory there for the local market. Heart warming indeed.
In what way mate ?, all I watched was a one side promotional puff piece with no hard questions asked. It is very hard to tame detonation in a h2 ice engine. The reciprocating engines BMW were testing suffered knock. H2 works better in rotary engines. Given an ice engines typical efficiency of 20%, and the entire supply chain energy cost of generating that hydrogen and distributing it, then 5 - 10x more renewable energy might need to be generated overall, to produce the same power at the wheels, than for a pure battery ev that has a >97% conversion efficiency. H2 fuel cell cars, are not much better. H2 fc cars are basically a battery powered ev with the fc charging the battery, and a h2 to electricity conversion efficiency of eg 40%.
@@nordic5490 Internal combustion engines are approaching 50% thermal efficiency. An EV is more efficient but absolutely not 97% with battery losses, and they're very expensive and impractical.
15:13 ha! He worked on the design of my 2zz toyota celica T-sport engine. This man is a legend! Any grease monkey or enthusiast would know it was one of the best 1.8 4 cylinder engines ever made. 😊
Am i listening to really outdated and uninformed information here? First of all japan has already looked into mass producing hydrogen vehicles a long time ago. Second all internal combustion engines can run off hydrogen. Third there has been hydrogen powered buses here in America for years. They are developed by a company calles the sun bus. Last but not least Toyota has the most advanced hydrogen fuel cells. This video seriously made me feel like my brain was losing 📉 intelligence.
We have the understanding and the engineering its " the powers that be " are generally made up of politicians , the legal fraternity and the most dangerous of all the " paid expert advisors " the majority of which are way out of their area of expertise - add to that lobbyists and its a disaster - we need more basic common sense !
Unfortunately common sense cannot replace ignorance. These guys are either lying or kidding themselves, JCB appear not to understand batteries, nor Hydrogen. They will fail.
@@tonystanley5337 So explain how to build a battery light and compact enough to power earth moving equipment. If anyone doesn't understand batteries my money is on you, you appear to be believing the hype and not checking the figures for yourself. Do you realise that Diesel oil is over 45 times more energy dense than the best current battery packs? Even assuming diesel trucks to only be 30% efficient and electric traction to be 100% efficient the battery will be 15 times heavier than the fuel load. When you consider a semi carries up to 1.2 tons of diesel when full the equivalent battery will weigh 18 tons and not get lighter as the miles go by.
@@thamesmud I would roughly agree with your figures, the best a battery artic can manage today is about 500miles range without compromising the load ability. However that meets the needs of about 80% of trucks. This is where you approach is wrong, you need to work out the daily use, not how much diesel a vehicle "can" carry, and compare that with how much recharge time you have. Once we have built out that 80%, battery tech will be more than capable of fulfilling the remaining 20% of applications. Did you know that the theoretical limit on density of a Lithium Air battery is the same as Diesel?..Yet with greater efficiency, so will have more duration. My rule of thumb is that you need 13xdiesel gallons use per day in kWh of battery. That means we could run a battery combine harvester (the most challenging of applications) for about 4-5 hrs today on 1 MWh battery. Battery tech is improving (Hydrogen isn't) and we can expect 50% more range per kg in the next 3 yrs. I fully appreciate batteries cannot do applications like harvesting that needs to be done maybe 24/7. There is no arguing they don't have the density today, but neither does Hydrogen, Hydrogen can just about compete with battery on range/duration if you use 10,000 PSI tanks and fuel cells, but it takes up more space and weight (contrary to popular belief), you just need to look at practical examples like the Mirai and Model 3. Using combustion engines and 5,000PSI tanks is a joke. I'm sure you can work out the rough comparisons are not pretty.
I have two problems with hydrogen engine, one too many moving parts calling the need for frequent servicing, two production of hydrogen fuel that would lead back to the problems we are running from, carbon production.
It wouldn’t have to, there is a lot of H2 in water, there is the tech to break water out there and has to evolved a lot since I knew how and what they were doing
So interesting, thank you. I hope more the government and more companies get on board with this. It seems far more logical than every manufacturer trying to build big, expensive batteries
You'd rather they built big pressurised storage facilities for hydrogen instead then? Along with all the risks of having something stored at 10'000 psi near you? And those "big expensive batteries" you mentioned may soon be be much smaller, lighter, less costly batteries once solid state technology becomes mainstream........ And EV battery manufacturers aren't "trying" to build batteries, they ARE actually making them!
After 35 hours successfully running on rainwater sourced hydrogen a slight technical hitch caused a leak which blew the rx7 engine with PTO driven 50 KVA generator and the side of my workshop to pieces , explosion took my camera and recordings out also, the only survivor was the rainwater to hydrogen electric converter 😬
@@fenflyer That must have been a hell of a leak - one that occurred in poorly ventilated areas that allowed for stoichiometric ratios of hydrogen, that then saw an ignition source...Hydrogen usually will self evacuate from a ventilated area as it is so light. Normal petrol usually forms a more explosive mixture as it is heavy and stays in place unless the area is really well ventilated.
Hydrogen is already produced for next to nothing, using surplus tidal power electricity, in Orkney. The hydrogen is then used to power the hospital and the ferry when on berthed overnight. That is easy to scale up, and will be soon. Hydrogen powered trains are a big topic of discussion in Scotland right now.
This is the reason why Scotland could leave Great Britain, and do very well indeed. There’s no reason why Scotland couldn’t do what Norway did fifty years ago, and prosper. Scotland has a commodity the EU craves more than anything, - an abundance of clean, relatively cheap energy. If Scotland invested in infrastructure to exploit waves, wind, and water, and build cables to the continent, rhe EU would beg them to (re-)join the Union, if Scotland chose to apply for membership. The EU needs energy, and at the same time they need to decrease their dependence on gas from Russia. I am Norwegian, I have followed Brexit, and would nothing less than for our Cousins in Scotland to do well on their own, and have a prosperous future.
@@karlf.karlsen4365 You forget that all these green energy schemes are subsidised, not by the Scottish Government but the UK government using mainly English money.
@@thamesmud So you don't think a desperate EU will do the same? They need green energy, and they need to loosen their dependence on Russian gas and oil. Scottish energy from wind, waves, and water is just perfect in such a scenario. And even if green energy is subsidized, it will become profitable in the near future. Oil and gas needs to be taken out of the equation as much as possible - specially after this summer of disasters - and green energy is the substitute. Rapidly developing technology will make green energy much more efficient. You seem like Americans when confronted with other nations doing things better than they do. The reply is always; Interesting, but it won't work here!
Statements in this video are a bit misleading: Some new li-ion batteries did not use cobalt at all exactly because of limited supply mostly from shady unstable countries, this is also done for reducing price which falling constantly as cheaper compounds being developed. Copper in Tesla car motors was replaced by aluminium, others will follow if not done so already both in terms of battery and motors to limit their EVs to readily available affordable materials or at least limit use of expensive ones to a minimum. Thus hydrogen is currently destined for special-purpose applications where low weight or special logistic requirements are more important, as there currently is not a way to produce hydrogen both cheaply and eco-friendly for a wide-scale application like civilian cars. While you can use excess energy from renewables, the energy conversion ratio for getting hydrogen through electrolysis from water is rather poor when compared to use that energy for battery charging. I would personally prefer a hydrogen fuel cell plug-in hybrid with a 30kW battery for usual driving needs compared to an EV with a 100kW+ battery for comparable primary do-it-all car performance any day, but without eco-friendly mass production and hydrogen infrastructure it does not make any sense to even bother, As for using hydrogen for combustion, this is at best stop gap technology that will be hard sell in any country with hash environmental protection laws as are expected to become the norm in the future... But wait, there is more, check some issues Toyota has with developing ICE hydrogen engine: ua-cam.com/video/3IPR50-soNA/v-deo.html
@@V8PropaneBurner There is BMW Hydrogen 7. 6.0L V12 which kicks out a glorious 256PS and 290lb/ft. While being 2300kg. A glorious 111PS per tonne. (fyi H2 piston engine is idiotic)
@@V8PropaneBurner The fuel tank for same range will be 7 times larger than a gas tank and weak power output will be about half for the same size engine. Hydrogen combustion engines are not the most stupid idea ever in the history of engineering technology - but they will be definitely merit an honorary mention in the hall of fame.
@@bbbf09 My "research" on fuel storage size says the number is 3-4 times but your point is well made. Maybe I haven't accounted for the low power output. What I can't work out is why a commercial fleet operator in particular would use a hydrogen ICE in lieu of a fuel cell when the ratio of efficiencies is at least 2:1 and I'd expect it's quite a bit more, the way that diggers, dozers, haul trucks & the like use their power. Anyway, they'd be paying at least twice as much for fuel, which is the major operating cost for any commercial vehicle. Many might say purchase price but as with BEV's, this will soon disappear and even if fuel cells are expensive now, in the commercial realm this would soon enough be overtaken by the cost of fuel. To return to your point, a hydrogen powered ICE vehicle will also need at least twice the size of fuel tank as one with a fuel cell drivetrain to do the same amount of work. Yet another packaging problem, and let's not talk about a hydrogen ICE powered vehicle having the same high maintenance regime as every other ICE powered vehicle when compared to electric drivetrains. Sounds like a dead end to me. Apologies for the rant.
Fascinating interview, and very clarifying. There is hope in the future, to combine the classic combustion engine, with the environment. The best of the two worlds.👍🌎🚜
Is it really the best when you're still dealing with hot oil, eventually leaky gaskets and seals, constant heat generation slowly degrading all the plastic parts around the engine, coolant systems, the need for a fully stainless steel exhaust system so it doesn't completely rust out from the water... From a philosophical point of view the combustion engine is a beautiful thing like a fine automatic watch, but it's a huge amount of complexity to solve a problem with a far easier solution.
@@mpershyn31 and they didnt work well. Very hard to tame detonation in a h2 ice engine. The reciprocating engines BMW was testing suppered knock. H2 works better in rotary engines.
Farmers throughout NZ have just been protesting against the government for pretty much fineing us for having diesel tractors and utes (small flat deck trucks)
@@Aldoor Don't talk elections. It's depressing, the choices are all bad. Pharlap or Crusher? Seymour maybe but I'm not certain I've seen enough of what he would do I don't see ICE H2 working, the consumption is much too high, fuel cell H2 is my pick
This is exciting, Hydrogen ICE. Congratulations JCB for pursuing this technology & not buying in to the whole EV being the future. Lord Bamford’s opinion on why the world has become obsessed with EV makes complete sense, seems obvious on reflection that VW Dieselgate & Musk popping up that started this.
@@OOpSjm I’m going on about what I said.. Sir bamford is coming out on video to tell his peers what he’s up too.. I.E. his competitors and those in government.. Those in government that think that it’s all going to be electric ⚡️.. As a major investor in the conservative government he’s also telling them.. That electric works in small but not in big .. Also he’s got some common sense.. Not like these woke lefties that think electric is the future for every think..
We have known for years that an internal combustion engine can run on H2. The trick will be to make enough H2 at a price that we can afford. And to date there is a massive hill to climb on that front. I don't think that will ever be solved. And that's before we mention the logistics of H2.
At least the storage problem seems to be solved. I remember BMW battling the leakage problems on their test cars back in 2000 to 2015. The tank drained itself within 9 days in the BMW Hydrogen 7 (E66 760iL). Oh, the 260 instead of 445hp and 3.6kg H2 per 100km at (subsidized) 10 Euro per kg where somewhat disappointing for BMW 7 owners at the time.
Excellent video -- especially dealing with the advantage of having competing or (perhaps, better) complimentary technologies. One of the ways in which we can think about progress is by the extension of possible ways of dealing with a problem rather than having to decide on the One True Way of dealing with them.
Economics.. Hydrogen made from natural gas is expensive to make and is the opposite of "green" Fuel cells make more sense in any case. JCB just wants to use the infrastructure is already has to make a very low efficiency ICE engine.
Infrastructure! Hydrogen infrastructure is hugely expensive, it makes a lot more sense for the vast amounts needed to go to heavy transport and heavy industry. For passenger vehicles it makes hardly any sense.
@@UAPJedi Hmm. I'd like to know what is easier - scaling charging infrastructure for people who have on street parking (near enough half of the uk) or a hydrogen infrastructure. Rapid charging hubs not really a scalable solution - they're inconvenient for the end user and the load they'd place on the grid if everyone without a driveway relied on them would be too great. But rolling out millions of on street chargers ain't gonna be cheap or easy.
Brilliant!! A very interesting video, a lot of good sense being talked here. In my opinion Hydrogen is definitely the way forward and I do agree 100% with the Elon Musk theory!!
Thanks for this video, Harry. I was convinced that hydrogen had a future in cars when I rode in a Honda hydrogen car from Malmö to Copenhagen at the COP 15 in Copenhagen in 2012 (I think). Hydrogen vehicles (buses and taxis especially) are growing in numbers in Denmark (as are EVs and PHEVs), where sales of petrol and diesel cars will cease in 2030 at the latest. Fuel cell technology can be - indeed is - used in shipping , including some of the ferries plying Danish ports. I was hoping that Lord Bamford would comment on electrofuels and biofuels in JCB machines, as they, like hydrogen, can be used in internal combustion engines. at least theoretically.
Am i listening to really outdated and uninformed information here? First of all japan has already looked into mass producing hydrogen vehicles a long time ago. Second all internal combustion engines can run off hydrogen. Third there has been hydrogen powered buses here in America for years. They are developed by a company calles the sun bus. Last but not least Toyota has the most advanced hydrogen fuel cells. This video seriously made me feel like my brain was losing 📉 intelligence.
Mike Bradshaw you’re confusing this with a hydrogen fuel cell, which converts hydrogen into electricity which then drives an electric motor. This is an internal combustion engine that runs on hydrogen.
Extremely interesting, once you offer another refreshing view of the challnge we all face. It has been battery or fuelcells. And now this! You would not be Harry if you didnt go outside the envelope!
JCB / Bamford are a ledgend and respected in their field, ..but they are out of their depth with this idea.! Many greater minds backed by organisations with limitless research resources have been down this road and found it a dead end. Sure you can run an ICE on H2, but not easily, economically, reliably, or even safely,...compared to alternatives. Harry failed to ask (or know ?) the right questions.
Thanks Harry, as you have said there may also be opportunities to convert diesel machinery to hydrogen, which looks like a much cheaper and simpler option than converting to battery power.
Statements in this video are a bit misleading: Some new li-ion batteries did not use cobalt at all exactly because of limited supply mostly from shady unstable countries, this is also done for reducing price which falling constantly as cheaper compounds being developed. Copper in Tesla car motors was replaced by aluminium, others will follow if not done so already both in terms of battery and motors to limit their EVs to readily available affordable materials or at least limit use of expensive ones to a minimum. Thus hydrogen is currently destined for special-purpose applications where low weight or special logistic requirements are more important, as there currently is not a way to produce hydrogen both cheaply and eco-friendly for a wide-scale application like civilian cars. While you can use excess energy from renewables, the energy conversion ratio for getting hydrogen through electrolysis from water is rather poor when compared to use that energy for battery charging. I would personally prefer a hydrogen fuel cell plug-in hybrid with a 30kW battery for usual driving needs compared to an EV with a 100kW+ battery for comparable primary do-it-all car performance any day, but without eco-friendly mass production and hydrogen infrastructure it does not make any sense to even bother, As for using hydrogen for combustion, this is at best stop gap technology that will be hard sell in any country with hash environmental protection laws as are expected to become the norm in the future... But wait, there is more, check some issues Toyota has with developing ICE hydrogen engine: ua-cam.com/video/3IPR50-soNA/v-deo.html
Brilliant video. As an operator of a 15ton 360 excavator it’s fantastic to see someone thinking realistically about our industry. When we turn up to a site there is NOTHING there, no infrastructure whatsoever, no drainage, no power, nothing, so our new electric excavators would need charging with a diesel generator at the end of shift what a crazy idea. This is such a common sense idea compared to battery power for construction machinery and heavy plant. Well done JCB 👍🏻👍🏻 Thank you so much for making this video.
if you search utube you'll be able to find toyota is currently testing a hydrogen powered car & they've also reported almost identical performance/range as an equal petrol/diesel engine. most of the current information regarding hydrogen you'll find is usually either good but hidden deep in the depths of the internet or incredibly bad/poor information so out of date its pointless to produce!! in this upload you'll hear about the infrastructure for hydrogen production, that's actually pretty badly researched we've one of the largest hydrogen production facilities in the world & we're creating more (another complex is being built near hull & plans for one to be constructed in Teesside) Europe & china are also investing heavily with hydrogen, however this is always being pushed aside my non-sense of EV's....
@@malp6280 - If you can actually name an H2 production facility, you defacto state that it's utterly impractical. Sufficient production to meet needs would entail thousands of plants producing H2.
Yes I totally agree I also don't want internal combustion engine to see their last days even after decades of their advancement , but I think there would be a problem while producing efuel this process will disturb the water recycle right?
'Rare-Earth metals' are not actually that rare. In fact they are quite common - more common than copper. (Wiki will inform you.) Besides, not all electric motors use permanent magnets - it's not a requirement. What is rare is elemental hydrogen. Third most abundant element in the universe - blah blah - but not here on planet Earth. It takes considerable energy to produce and compress hydrogen into a useable form and the fossil fuel industry are pushing it hard because they know that "green hydrogen" will never be able to supply enough and so we'll be back to reforming methane, dumping huge quantities of CO2 in to the atmosphere. So, no, for the above and many other reasons, it's a bloody stupid idea to produce and burn it in internal combustion engines.
Proof that engineers should run industry, not financiers. When I started work in engineering I was told that accountants were a useful tool, but if put in charge there would be very little advancement because the key to being an accountant is to not take risks. The engineer must take calculated risks to improve the product or come up with new technology,
All engineering has it's place and time . I knew a decade ago we would likely come around to this solution as the engine technology was never the stumbling block that scale of production and distribution of fuel is .
@@simonhbacon There are about 5. They cost north of £1.5m each and can fuel about 10 cars a day. H2 is woefully inefficient, and made largely from natural gas. For passenger cars, forget it. It is just not going to happen.
@Bujf vjg simple solution for simpletons. Scania, the 10 largest trucking company in the world, says no newatlas.com/automotive/scania-ditches-hydrogen/ H2 cars are actually battery powered evs, with the h2 cell charging the battery. Efficiency of h2 is very poor @
@@edwardbyard6540 It only takes about 5 minutes to fill a car, so i don't know where you get a limit of 10 cars a day. If its the size of the tank, this is easy to increase. Define inefficient, the video stated that it contained more energy than diesel for a given, presumably compressed volume. Video also envisaged generating H2 at off shore wind farms, electrolysing sea water. Costs will be driven down as technology improves and becomes more mainstream.
@@nordic5490 I think you're confusing hydrogen fuel cell motors (which as you say use electric power to drive a vehicle) with the hydrogen internal combustions engines discussed in this video. I agree though that both are less fuel efficient than petrol or diesel engines. The added problem is the amount of electricity required to produce "clean" hydrogen, and the costs involved in manufacturing and distributing it.
Too many with vested interest waiting their turn to get their investment money back on other energy sources. All lined up in a queue. Why Us Humans don’t get the benefits of ANY great inventions that hurdle existing tech.
Great video Harry and I believe it's the best remedy for Heavy Machinery and even airplanes. However, hydrogen is usually stored in tanks 5000-10,000 psi tank pressure. Because the pressure is so high the tanks deteriorate very quickly when compared to Diesel or Petrol tanks. I wouldn't be very impressed if a Hydrogen station was built near my house, with all the risks hydrogen storage brings. Lord Bamford mentioned the rare materials that make up the battery, such as Lithium, Cobalt and Copper. Battery technology is advancing so fast now with the approach of the Solid State battery and other alternative materials being used instead of Lithium, Cobalt and Copper. Those alternative materials are not rare and will not get more expensive. In fact the solid state batteries are getting denser and smaller.I think both technologies have a place in our future. I love JCB and I hope the hydrogen engine is a great success.
This is correct, great for heavy vehicles that can carry heavy tanks, not so practical for cars which will be limited in range simply due to the size of tanks required to safely carry the hydrogen fuel.
At last! Someone talking sense about the whole electric vehicle cul-de-sac that the blindfolded are being led down! Hydrogen is THE way forward. Thank you Harry for getting this out there.
More complex system that’s costs more requires more servicing and has a higher cost fuel source that’s less efficient energy wise. While in this application it does have its benefits, hydrogen has more profitable applications which detract from good engineering like this.
@@nickegan3988 You'd like to think so, but there are pockets of "over-my-dead-body" anti-electric people out there who would rather use a rubber band powered scooter than dirty their driveways with a battery car.
@@cathalfolan8441 that's the case my diesel is electric. I need a battery to start it. . Electric is a no no. The infrastructure is not there and never will be in my lifetime. The cable on estates is sub standard. New estates may handle every house plugged into a car. Mmm I doubt it. What we need is a kit. Plastic water tank fitted with plates to produce the H. Maybe some stainless or ceramic parts in the kit to fit. A nice new tap fitment for my outside tap. Nice. Whoever comes up with something like this, that's works will soon vanish off the face of the planet. Bit of both would be a decent mix though
@@bbbf09God your serious. Take a pill. It's a laugh but your wrong with telling me I don't understand electric. Well someone told me who works for Northern Powergrid the underground cables will not take every house plugged into chargers or half come to think of it. . Sit back and think about it. The cable is just not big enough to carry that load. So you make that what you will but it's fact. Cabling will need upgrading. Just like these crap heat pumps that has had to be put back. They don't work unless your house is built for the specs. Where I live anyway. Oil rules. Anyway it was a joke about the tap.
@@gx1400sc Making hydrogen from renewable electricity looks like a good idea, until you realise you need so much electricity to do so. And it's difficult to store and transport - you need to put in 8x more energy than you get out. Diggers are a niche issue, the video should have looked at the decades of work needed.
@@antjone but it don't need rare metals, and about the energi cost to make hydrogen if you take all the energi and copper to make an electric car , etc I really doubt that the total energy cost is lower for battery cars. And the transportation of gas tubes, we have transported 300 bar tubes for decades no problem what so ever.. Charging the cars in mass will generate a horrible costs in energi and costs for upgrading the grid all the way to the user. in other words, it won't be done. Hydrogen is the solution.
Hydrogen, LPG and Bio fuels seem to not only have a back seat to electric but aren’t even allowed in the theatre. Electric just isn’t ready or affordable, let alone cost effective, for commercial, domestic or regular long journey drivers.
Horses for courses. Electric is brilliant for cars, its also never realistically been an option for heavy vehicles, ships and trains. Hydrogen has always been pushed for this option. This isn’t new, but infrastructure is a massive problem for hydrogen, its even bigger for cars, electric infrastructure for cars is relatively small in comparison but as Lord Bamford says it is unrealistic for vehicles that have incredibly high work loads, Such as ships.
@@v4skunk739 And charging at home (far more typical for Tesla owners) is about £10 for an atypical 20% up to 90% charge (I'm normally only putting in 10-15% each night). www.teslaev.co.uk/tesla-cost-to-charge-calculator/. We just don't use Superchargers the way you lot use service stations.
@@robbybobbyhobbies Exactly, unless you are on a very long trip, if you need to supercharge you have done something wrong. EVs are charged at your destination.
Fascinating Harry. My father talked about Hydrogen powered engines and he's been gone now for 40 years almost to the day. Brighton buses had heavy flywheels which could cut in to power the bus up the hill (at a very reduced speed), but I'm talking about 1918. The internal combustion engines that are in use now can, with some tweaking, run on Hydrogen. Its a fantastically cheap answer too. Electric powered vehicles are easily twice the price and batteries are made up of expensive rare earth materials which is madness, its as daft as trying to run cars on coal or gold. Hydrogen, there is nothing new under the sun. The politicians need to wise up, trouble is they are dunces when it comes to technology.
Yea but Musk said it was good so than it must be 🤪 It's really crazy how some people just love everything that man does without actually thinking over what he is doing. Like sending rockets and satellites in to space by the bulk and filling up the little space we had left in our outer atmosphere. Sending the very richest among us in to space just for funn producing as much pollution per person as 3 Jumbo jets flying from London to New York. And the whole rechargeable car idea is not the solution we will end up with at the end. It just isn't and its not hard to see. So that means that all this charging infrastructure all this development on cars where one can not even exchange the batteries like in an electric tool or something but you need to put the whole thing on the charger like the very first battery driven screw machines is just a waste of money and time. Money and time we could have spend on working towards the real solution which is one where you can refuel or recharge the machine in no time. In the mean time Musk is filling his pockets like there was no tomorrow. And everyone is like : Ahh Elon. We love you. Tell us what the future looks like 🤪
Electric large equipment is absurd - much of this equipment operates remotely and EV is not practical in any way. Great video, JCB is thinking objectively and not politically.
@@mbak7801 Regular service on a short route with massive dedicated charging stations is hardly remote. Heavy equipment is the first things on a new construction site etc. when there is no electric service available.
@@RC-fp1tl Where did I say that? Obviously the infrastructure needs developing. I will however say that it is a lot easier to take a tank of hydrogen to a job site than it is to take enough electricity to recharge the equipment.
@@mbak7801 you mean the ones that are operating as hybrids right now and will have custom charging when they dock? That doesn’t apply to construction equipment on a site with no power, which is the issue JCB is addressing. 🤦🏻♂️
A wonderful solution to the problems of diesel, petrol electric and expensive fuel cells ! Get the politicians to facilitate the infrastructure and we're off and running !
Fascinating. I originally skipped this video, but after watching your review of 2021, JCB looked much more interesting and so it proved to be. The future is suddenly looking more interesting.
Drove a Hydrogen Fuel Cell Hyundai a few years ago, they really need to get the infrastructure sorted, this is the future, depending on what pressure you put in the tank dictated how far you could go 500psi= 500 miles 600psi= 600 and so on if I remember correctly.
Ford build pick up trucks. They are about to launch the new F150 electric. Due to the range issue, they have put a 'removable range' petrol engine on board to charge the batteries. LOL.
Watching this for the second time when Lord Bamford mentioned our great British engineers I had a lightbulb moment, persuade the formula 1 genius engineers to take a good look at this technology. It would offer totally green racing and the tech would trickle down in the usual way
Wow, so pleased to see someone who genuinely appreciates the engineering talent that we have in the UK and who's not afraid to challenge the current "fashion" of battery powered vehicles.
Horses for courses, most industry experts say that hydrogen should be for heavy goods, heavy plant, and aviation.
Both Lord B and Harry are disingenuous when they say hydrogen combustion engines are zero emission, they produce Oxides of Nitrogen (NOx).
Currently 98% of hydrogen production isn't green, so we'll need to ensure that the oil and gas companies don't try to push their grey hydrogen.
It's a shame that he doesn't know that "Musk" is already developing Cobalt free batteries.
There are also Sulphur batteries and even better, Solid State batteries.
@@terryjimfletcher They mention the NOx issue and have got around it.
The real question is if you're basing your economy on a synthetic fuel (hydrogen), why not just make a synthetic liquid hydrocarbon fuel instead? That way you wouldn't need to change the engines or even the fuel infrastructure at all.
Refueling a liquid fuel tank is far faster, simpler, cheaper and safer than using highly compressed and volatile hydrogen.
Musk is a melt
@@terryjimfletcher exactly making hydrogen is one of the most energy intensive processes we have.
So interesting. This demonstrates very clearly why Engineers need to lead the way, get the status and recognition they deserve, and be represented at the top of British politics.
Sadly reason and logic do not dictate advancement. If the masses all follow battery electric development than that will side will be more developed.
What ever the masses want will happen
@@ShipwreckCaptain this is true, sadly, even if this method is better for the environment, etc.
Can enough hydrogen be produced?
Bravo Baron Bamford keeping Britain Great
About 6yrs ago, I worked for a company who made an electric city road sweeper. Design duty cycle ( between charges) required was 8hrs. We developed it to have two batteries that could quickly be removed and charged separately. This allowed it to run pretty much non stop. Problem was price. Several councils in various countries had them for trials and loved them. Price of the diesel version was around £60,000. Battery powered version, over £200,000.
His points on inflationary vehicle prices are spot on, it’s been happening in stealth for several years now and it’s absolutely intentional by the car manufacturers who have taken the ‘easy route’ for EV development (BEV) by bringing to market unrealistically expensive cars that appeal only to the wealthy to make them feel better about saving the planet, which they aren’t doing by buying EV.
Then the price gap in the range is simply filled in by raised the existing price of the ICE vehicles.
Honestly, if we can co very existing engines to run off of hydrogen then we can use all our existing cars and stop building new as a way of fixing the planet - reuse and recycle as much as possible.
Absolutely true, we'll said.
If you listen to auto execs from Ford or GM, they are going along with this push to worldwide socialism. According to them, you won't own a car in the future. You will simply call for one for a certain time and get a ride to your destination. No more just hopping behind the wheel and hitting the back roads for a relaxing drive through the hills.
They are building electric appliances that won't give you the joy of running through the gears, downshifting for a corner, and hearing the exhaust note as the ram's go up and down.
It's crazy. The EU is partly to blame aswell, they have stricter restrictions on tiny city cars than they do on big luxury SUVs. It's clearly driven by money and not a wish to reduce emissions.
Yes electric cars are about control not environmental factors
@@wearetheremnants1615 Yes, one can just see how they are shoving them down our throats.
JCB always the pioneer, amazing company.. and no I'm not an employee! Just very proud of a superb UK company.
@@strangelove9608 Agree - my company does a lot of work for JCB - they are great to work with, a fantastic British success story that supports a lot of other industries.
@@brayworthpark5542 shame I believe they were so in favour of brexit which was for some of their very customers, farmers, a disaster and not to mention for many of the rest of us......... But yes, a good UK company.
@@garymurraya I think people need to move on from Brexit now... my personal opinion is that once eventually worked through Brexit could actually be beneficial..it is what it is.
@@garymurraya I wonder if you ever thought, he might just know what he's talking about.
@@barrynash5565 i think a lot about brexit sir, and for me it has ended a 15 year old business. Does he know more than the government and banks and 80% of the chamber of commerce? Of course he and you and I always know what we are talking about, in theory, but when the majority of businesses are against what you think, well maybe "you" dont know and maybe the majority rules, rather than the older people and the bigots of the country.
ANyway, its a futile argument as apart from the billions already spent/wasted in preparing for brexit, on both sides, we will never know if it works, as there will always be an excuse, but go ask the scottish fisherman, ask the farmers, ask anyone who exports to the EU, then get back to me with all he knows. Just as he is rich and successful, based on a family business, ie born into money, does not necessarily mean he, or witherspoons know what they are talking about....
JCB - well ahead of the game, I’m really impressed.
Statements in this video are a bit misleading:
Some new li-ion batteries did not use cobalt at all exactly because of limited supply mostly from shady unstable countries, this is also done for reducing price which falling constantly as cheaper compounds being developed. Copper in Tesla car motors was replaced by aluminium, others will follow if not done so already both in terms of battery and motors to limit their EVs to readily available affordable materials or at least limit use of expensive ones to a minimum. Thus hydrogen is currently destined for special-purpose applications where low weight or special logistic requirements are more important, as there currently is not a way to produce hydrogen both cheaply and eco-friendly for a wide-scale application like civilian cars. While you can use excess energy from renewables, the energy conversion ratio for getting hydrogen through electrolysis from water is rather poor when compared to use that energy for battery charging. I would personally prefer a hydrogen fuel cell plug-in hybrid with a 30kW battery for usual driving needs compared to an EV with a 100kW+ battery for comparable primary do-it-all car performance any day, but without eco-friendly mass production and hydrogen infrastructure it does not make any sense to even bother, As for using hydrogen for combustion, this is at best stop gap technology that will be hard sell in any country with hash environmental protection laws as are expected to become the norm in the future...
But wait, there is more, check some issues Toyota has with developing ICE hydrogen engine: ua-cam.com/video/3IPR50-soNA/v-deo.html
All. These negative comments I’m sure he wouldn’t spend vast amounts on a pink elephant.
Germans are already working on producing similar type of fuel such as synthetic fuel.
@@IonorReasSpamGenerator do your homework. It makes more sense to use lpg, the energy density, and efficiency is higher. The CO2 produced breaks down with photosynthesis and is locked in by plants. Solar cells and wind generation doesn’t supply our needs, and is a poor use of land. Plant grasses.
@@IonorReasSpamGenerator You don't need to spam you battery propaganda in every single thread.
There's a chairman with his feet on the ground, understands his customers needs and of the common man/woman too
But doesn't undertsand engineering or physics
@@bbbf09 What are he and his customers missing?
@@secallen physics & engineering. Not unknown for a CEO
@@bbbf09 ...and his customers?
@@secallen i don't think customers have had a chance to vote with their wallets on this yet , as its not being offered as a product. So you can't say customers are or are not being fooled. If it is ever launched then its possible some might get caught by this boondoogle as it offers - at first glance - technology they are famiar with (i.e. combustion engines). That is always a comfort blanket to those of conservative minded disposition. This is at first glance only though..and the fact you fuel them and they sound similar on start up belies the facfs that this approach is in fact very different from combustion engines they are used to. Long term (full life cycle) they will be problematic in servicing and environmental Nox emissions as well as fundamentally wantonly wasteful and will be very costly by comparison. If JCB get initial pricing at partial discount (i.e. hiding development and initial production costs as loss leaders) then the machines might be on par with current diesel ticket prices ..but long term with the additional very high costs of servicing and maintenance (compared with diesels) along with paying for double the amount of hydrogen that you would need compared with say hydrogen fuel cell then the customer will lose out - big style (JCB will win though). The sunk cost investment into the kit will likely keep customers coming back for more though - unless short term contract leasing lets them escape earlier. Whilst you can 'fool people for some of the time' overall and longer term this technology approach is a cul-de-sac dead end to nowhere. See my lengthy response elsewhere for the underlying physics and engineering reasons why that is.
A brilliant video, our politicians are reactionary, they're very seldom pro active,they need to see this. Lord Bamford is a pleasure to watch and listen to,so modest,well done Harry.
This is going to make me popular. Trump was proactive.
Just with the sheer heritage and expertise, not to mention the quality of the equipment made by JCB, makes it likely they are on to a winner.
I see JCB machines on sites, operators love them, managers trust them. Now I know better how they develop an engine for the future: they are amazing!
Not just tractors and plant machines, but also buses, HGVs, LGVs and Electricity Generators will be burning clean and efficient! Blown away by this British ingenuity! Thanks for the video!
Wow that’s amazing, our Government should get behind this and help make it reality. JCB could easily be a world leader in this technology, and should be. 👌👌👌
That is not role of government.
@@bighands69 Nope your right, but without Government support with infrastructure it would never get off the ground. Thought that would of been obvious really.
@@bighands69 its not the role of government but it kinda is. Look at the subsidies being poured into green energy, and evs. If a fraction.of that was put into a hydrogen supply chain they would be off to the races
@@bighands69 It is totally the role of government!!!!
@@SharonD369
No matter how much infrasture a government tries to build it is not going to overcome the issue of there not being enough copper.
I have always liked JCB, now even more.
All rubbish. Fuel cells twice as efficient than a combustion engine and no nitrous oxide. Torque on electric motor better than on a combustion engine.
@@denisovanhybrid9610
And?
@@denisovanhybrid9610 No - his point is well made I think. I suspect you don't understand what you are really talking about. So I ask also - what is your point exactly?
Hydrogen fuel cells coupled with electric motors ( which in terms of power to weight ratios vastly outperform any combustion engines) can easily cope with whatever JCB do. You realise that the largest powerplant transports on earth
(aircraft carriers) run on electric motors. The UKs new QE class carriers for example output over 100,000 horse power at props shaft via electric motive power. Getting onto to 500 times more than the feeble 250 horsepower that largest JCBs put out. Hell, my Tesla puts out much more than the largest JCB machine. Laughable.
Am i listening to really outdated and uninformed information here? First of all japan has already looked into mass producing hydrogen vehicles a long time ago. Second all internal combustion engines can run off hydrogen. Third there has been hydrogen powered buses here in America for years. They are developed by a company calles the sun bus. Last but not least Toyota has the most advanced hydrogen fuel cells. This video seriously made me feel like my brain was losing 📉 intelligence.
@@denisovanhybrid9610 but we’re saying fuel cells convert hydrogen at 70% to electrical energy compared to only 25% when you combust it!
Please understand before one of us dies. 😀
Finally a company that gives the legitimate credit to the hydrogen ,once and forever
Fantastic interview with Lord Bamford Harry, That interview needs to be shared around. I hope long distance touring cars can also use this technology.
Am i listening to really outdated and uninformed information here? First of all japan has already looked into mass producing hydrogen vehicles a long time ago. Second all internal combustion engines can run off hydrogen. Third there has been hydrogen powered buses here in America for years. They are developed by a company calles the sun bus. Last but not least Toyota has the most advanced hydrogen fuel cells. This video seriously made me feel like my brain was losing 📉 intelligence.
@@mikebradshaw8530 This is different in that it is a hydrogen combustion engine. Toyota cars and most green busses are mostly hydrogen fuel cell to electric motors.
@@reonvanwijk Toyota City, Japan, April 22, 2021―Toyota Motor Corporation (Toyota) announced today that, toward the achievement of a carbon-neutral mobility society, it is developing a hydrogen engine. It has installed the engine on a racing vehicle based on Toyota's Corolla Sport, which it will enter in competition under the ORC ROOKIE Racing banner starting with the Super Taikyu Series 2021 Powered by Hankook Round 3 NAPAC Fuji Super TEC 24 Hours Race on May 21-23 global.toyota/en/newsroom/corporate/35209996.html
@@mikebradshaw8530 at last some one with a brain.. You are totally right.. Its incredible how people just don't understand when the knowledge and data is in plain sight.. Just look at the Tesla Plaid.. That battery pack could run a 8 tonne excavator all day maybe even a 13 tonne excavator..
@@reonvanwijk yes and that makes it 100x worse... Its simply a terrible idea. Plus the cost of producing the hydrogen.. Just not a commercially worth while..
A site in London is only allowed EV diggers.
They run for 4 hrs but take 12 hours to recharge using a large Diesel generator on site.
You couldnt make this b.s up.
What creates less emissions; multiple vehicles running on individual ICE motors or multiple electric vehicles charging from a single ICE motor?
What site is this on?
Where did your 4 hour / 12 hour figures come from?
You call it bullshit but have made no attempt to actually prove it. Lazy.
I'll back him up, it's all true Def not bs. Battery EV is not the future is stupid.
The diesel generator is much cleaner running than the diesel diggers are. It might not be a perfect solution, but it’s better than doing nothing.
Why does the jcb diggers small battery charge so slowly
@@tonygarlingewarren7456 Ah yes, the best proof: "I'll back him up." ...
My word! I have been talking about hydrogen fuelled ic engines for years but folk seem to be conditioned to think electric. Now JCB have blown the lid off the arguments so I am ecstatic.
Now we need to move this very rapidly into the consciousness of politicians and the public. Lets do this.
Thank you JCB and Harry's Garage for covering H² so well.
I couldn't agree more!!! I've dreams of this since I was a kid in school playing around with electrolysis. Harness the sun to create electricity and hydrogen and the world will run on clean energy! No need for mining rare earth materiels or fossil fuels.
@Edward Elizabeth Hitler it turns back into water when we burn it or use it in a hydrogen fuel cell. That's the beauty of it 😊
Please put Harry and Lord Bamford in charge of ......... well everything really.
Certainly not if they follow the logic they display in this mis guided , ill informed, bound to fail, little project.
and Jeremy Clarkson
Given his donations to the Tories, you're not a million miles away.
@@CertifiedSlamboy The tories receive far more from the chinese.
Did he not move manufacturing of his main jcbs to India??? Is jcb not a tax dodging pro brexit? Got fined by eu for dodgy trading. Are pro brexit.. and yes. He is precisely the type of leader UKanians love. Posh voice and a title too. Oooh swooooon.
Absolutely fascinating. It is easy for politicians to say we will stop using diesel at a certain point, without any consideration to the consequences.
with war with China coming up I really want to see this really happen because you know what would be really interesting for politicians trying to actually talk their way out of that one.
everybody's all great with electric until it gets really cold outside
Fantastic, I worked there for 34 years and saw the machines develop over my time but this is a leap forwards for all of us this could be the answer 👍
You’ve just cheered me up Harry !
Hydrogen sucks.
Hydrogen is NOT a fuel - you have to make it from a fuel.
Hydrogen is the mist inefficient energy storage known to man.
you will lose 80 of the energy, before it powers your vehicle.
Hydrogen can leak though any tank or pipe,
no matter what it is made of.
You can lose 2% of your hydrogen every day, through leakage and cooling.
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@@RalphEllis tell toyota that !! 🤤
HHO generators are a great way forward!! Hydrogen is the most common atom in the universe and theres 2 stuck to every oxygen atom in the H2O water molecule. Water fractured with electrolysis is a super cheap and clean way forward and zero emissions will be easily within reach HHO engines burn clean and the only by product is water. HHO can be separated out very simply and hydrogen bled off and oxygen used for other jobs if you require.
@@rhett7716 Toyota know already, they spent more last 6months in developing solid state battery's than they did in hydrogen. That's a big red flag for me
@@andyjota8906 Design and build a power plant exclusive to hydrogen and all will be settled.Hydrogen on-demand, injected directly should be the obvious approach.
Love how Lord B avoids naming the UK gov etc by saying "the powers that be" a Lordship doesn't come without the perks, benefits or OTC payments for being one . But all in all JCB is an awesome British brand which I credit him for, looking forward and investing for the future for green energy and maintaining a skilled workforce that can move with the times and technology..
"The powers that be" is while more vague; more accurate. It's not just UK gov, many other actors both official & behind the scenes
Am i listening to really outdated and uninformed information here? First of all japan has already looked into mass producing hydrogen vehicles a long time ago. Second all internal combustion engines can run off hydrogen. Third there has been hydrogen powered buses here in America for years. They are developed by a company calles the sun bus. Last but not least Toyota has the most advanced hydrogen fuel cells. This video seriously made me feel like my brain was losing 📉 intelligence.
I thought that he said fly-in.
@@mikebradshaw8530 British Gas have been developing fuel cell engines, at Loughborough University since 1998 and maybe earlier, but we don't see them in many vehicles - why do you think that is? the answer is cost, you're either very rich or too stupid to care about us hoi polloi, did you miss the part where Harry discussed the price premium for a bog standard, small family car?
@@geoffaries 1998 lol. You talk as if thats ancient. Listen dummy. That was an idea that was being tested. It was not manufactured in mass.
As someone who works in the live events industry, this option would also provide a solution to the portable power sector.
Hydrogen-powered generators would be an obvious route to take for not only festivals and concerts, but also construction ancillary infrastructure such as site lighting, etc.
'Literally a flying visit' - Harry, the only UA-camr to have ever used that particular adverb correctly.
Indeed...not many people have the facilities to be collected by Jet Ranger 😎
@@paulredding5864 it’s a S76
It’s literally raining cats and dogs.
Me: no it isn’t.
@@gdfggggg It is! I just stepped in a poodle.
@@CertifiedSlamboy That's literally crazy.
This article is really interesting to me. I have experimented with constructing a hydrogen generator on a small scale and have made small amounts of hydrogen in my basement workshop.
I have often wondered why automobile manufacturers aren't looking into hydrogen powered cars. It seems to be the perfect solution to carbon gas emissions.
Thanks for the article.
From what I understand, hydrogen isn't as energy efficient as electric or diesel, because there are big overheads to creating it and storing it.
@@abdullahal-ahmati5030 - Definitely would be cheaper creating and storing Hydrogen then refining Crude. Refineries are Mega expensive and regulated to the max. Hydrogen and nuclear are the future of energy. The big oil companies are just trying to slow it down because it will destroy their hold on the world market. Electric is still mainly created with fossil fuels. That is the only reason the big oil companies are even allowing electric vehicles to exist. The sooner we realize we need to take matters into our own hands and remove the government from the decision making, the sooner we can eliminate the need for fossil fuels and go full nuclear and hydrogen. The government is pushing solar and wind when neither can make even close to enough energy for our world.
Harry, well done for looking at this. So so interesting. Thank you for promoting JCB - a fantastic British company and well done to them for their engineering ingenuity. Look forward to see how this pans out in the future.
This has the virtue of pure logic and a lack of politics. Great piece Thabk you. Who the heck wants to lug batteries around 👏👏
All the reasons you listed (logical, not political, smart solution) are all the reasons the politicians will never let it fly!
Hydrogen cars are much more complicated than ev's. Also, that tank empties itself if it stands still.
hydrogen has the problem of lesser efficiency - you have to transport the hydrogen around, EV's do not have this problem. On top of that making hydrogen itself is also not very efficient energy wise. Battery powered cars are not without problems either, however. I like the idea of hydrogen cars for the sake of the driving experience (engine sound, manual gearbox etc.)
While it might be cheaper up front than an electric car, the running costs will be massively higher.
To get hydrogen you need a lot of processing, which requires electricty. Transporting compressed hydrogen is also much more expensive in power terms than just running electrons down an overhead wire, even with losses in the grid. This is why battery-electric cars are better at turning watts from the power-station into miles on the road than fuel-celled ones.
A combustion engine will almost certainly be less efficient at turning hydrogen into power than fuel cells (most combustion engines are about 20% efficient compred to 40-60% for fuel cells), so even fewer watts from the power station get turned to miles on the road.
I'd imagine the running costs will be at least 10x worse. For certain commercial vehicles, in certain cases, this may make more sense. But for city cars for commuting and the shops, you'd be better off getting a used Telsa for ~£35K
Your lack of logic astounds me. It is very hard to tame detonation in a h2 ice engine. The reciprocating engines BMW were testing suffered knock. H2 works better in rotary engines. Given an ice engines typical efficiency of 20%, and the entire supply chain energy cost of generating that hydrogen and distributing it, then 5 - 10x more renewable energy might need to be generated overall, to produce the same power at the wheels, than for a pure battery ev that has a >97% conversion efficiency.
H2 fuel cell cars, are not much better. H2 fc cars are basically a battery powered ev with the fc charging the battery, and a h2 to electricity conversion efficiency of eg 40%.
Great video showing alternatives……..I’d hate to be the labourer who forgot to plug the JCB in before going home 😂
Only a single word is needed to describe what JCB have achieved and that is : GENIUS
The man is the only living human being to own two 250 GTOs, and makes no mention of it even to a classic car channel like Harry’s. That is class
Breeding more like me thinks.
Why would he mention it...? He was educated at a famous independent school comes from a wealthy family and English gentlemen of his background are understated.
There must have been some blokes who owned more than one when they were still manufacturing them and much less expensive
What an enlightening video Harry, filling a tank with hydrogen gas is going to be a lot faster than a slow charge from the national grid. Lord Bamford needs some investment into his hydrogen engine development as I would like to see them as a serious alternative to an electric car.
Have a look at James Mays new Toyota. JCB and Toyota are onto it the electric car cannot last with technology like this.
@@rayw9067 his toyota is electric.
@@yup3398 it’s a hydrogen fuel cell!! Which is a shit tonne better then batteries it’s forward thinking! Long term engineering! obviously we can’t just keep plugging our EV in fossil fuel powered power stations for ever…….Co2 emissions went up last year even with planes not flying and many many cars off the road 🤔
@@yup3398 ha! yeah kinda
@@rayw9067 I agree batteries need to improve immensely from what they currently are.
This is rivetingly interesting. I have long extolled the virtues of hydrogen power but have always been decried as being too difficult and logistically impossible. This gives an insight into the future of motor transport and travel
That was very interesting and educational, top quality content as always Harry.
Am i listening to really outdated and uninformed information here? First of all japan has already looked into mass producing hydrogen vehicles a long time ago. Second all internal combustion engines can run off hydrogen. Third there has been hydrogen powered buses here in America for years. They are developed by a company calles the sun bus. Last but not least Toyota has the most advanced hydrogen fuel cells. This video seriously made me feel like my brain was losing 📉 intelligence.
@@mikebradshaw8530 Actually if you watch the entire video you see that they explain that this is nothing new, it's the way and application they give to it.
Great video! Love that the UK is at the vanguard of that technology and that JCB have an academy at that scale! Brilliant!
Can we have a Harry feature on Lord Bamford’s car collection please!
Japan has already invested in Hydrogen for cars. So we are not at the forefront of this technology actually we are running behind because of a lack of political will.
Johnson for some reason only sees electric as a solution being blind to the obvious solution which is Hydrogen.
@@mikeuk1954 I'm sorry you are incorrect mate, as the Japanese are using hydrogen fuel cells, which creates electricity that powers the electric motors that drive the wheels, however what JCB are doing is completely different to a hydrogen internal combustion engine 🤔
Really good story, BMW was experimenting with this many years ago already. Makes sense to have more than one solution, aside from the fact that all these rare earths are very finite indeed.
This really is the future... well done Mr Bamford and team.
Mr? That's Lord Bamford and he's earned it, cos he's been fighting for British Manufacturing and put his money where his mouth is too.
@@Brascofarian - here here!
Born on Staffordshire, always been massively proud of JCB - a nice reminder of home wherever in the world you come across one!
@@Lemma01 - so true. I was on a business trip in India and was amazed at how many JCBs there were. I think they have a factory there for the local market. Heart warming indeed.
Wow ! What an opportunity. Lord Bamford is an absolute legend !
"Bamford", you ignoramus. Are you deaf also, how many times did he say his name?
@@nickturner2813 n0nce
In what way mate ?, all I watched was a one side promotional puff piece with no hard questions asked.
It is very hard to tame detonation in a h2 ice engine. The reciprocating engines BMW were testing suffered knock. H2 works better in rotary engines. Given an ice engines typical efficiency of 20%, and the entire supply chain energy cost of generating that hydrogen and distributing it, then 5 - 10x more renewable energy might need to be generated overall, to produce the same power at the wheels, than for a pure battery ev that has a >97% conversion efficiency.
H2 fuel cell cars, are not much better. H2 fc cars are basically a battery powered ev with the fc charging the battery, and a h2 to electricity conversion efficiency of eg 40%.
@@nordic5490 Internal combustion engines are approaching 50% thermal efficiency. An EV is more efficient but absolutely not 97% with battery losses, and they're very expensive and impractical.
15:13 ha! He worked on the design of my 2zz toyota celica T-sport engine. This man is a legend! Any grease monkey or enthusiast would know it was one of the best 1.8 4 cylinder engines ever made. 😊
Fascinating and enlightening; please this kind of content coming, Harry. Cheers
Am i listening to really outdated and uninformed information here? First of all japan has already looked into mass producing hydrogen vehicles a long time ago. Second all internal combustion engines can run off hydrogen. Third there has been hydrogen powered buses here in America for years. They are developed by a company calles the sun bus. Last but not least Toyota has the most advanced hydrogen fuel cells. This video seriously made me feel like my brain was losing 📉 intelligence.
@Mike Bradshaw Mike, it’s a shame your brain didn’t learn anything from the video, but mine did. We can’t all be equal!
@@Richspjones What did your brain learn from the video?
Absolutely superb content Harry - I was totally glued to my screen! Common sense solution to a real world problem!
Great video, Harry. Enjoyed it tremendously...!
We have the understanding and the engineering its " the powers that be " are generally made up of politicians , the legal fraternity and the most dangerous of all the " paid expert advisors " the majority of which are way out of their area of expertise - add to that lobbyists and its a disaster - we need more basic common sense !
Unfortunately common sense cannot replace ignorance. These guys are either lying or kidding themselves, JCB appear not to understand batteries, nor Hydrogen. They will fail.
You have the engineering to make, compress and transport the H2 in a green way - that's the problem
@@tonystanley5337 So explain how to build a battery light and compact enough to power earth moving equipment. If anyone doesn't understand batteries my money is on you, you appear to be believing the hype and not checking the figures for yourself. Do you realise that Diesel oil is over 45 times more energy dense than the best current battery packs? Even assuming diesel trucks to only be 30% efficient and electric traction to be 100% efficient the battery will be 15 times heavier than the fuel load. When you consider a semi carries up to 1.2 tons of diesel when full the equivalent battery will weigh 18 tons and not get lighter as the miles go by.
@@thamesmud I would roughly agree with your figures, the best a battery artic can manage today is about 500miles range without compromising the load ability. However that meets the needs of about 80% of trucks. This is where you approach is wrong, you need to work out the daily use, not how much diesel a vehicle "can" carry, and compare that with how much recharge time you have. Once we have built out that 80%, battery tech will be more than capable of fulfilling the remaining 20% of applications. Did you know that the theoretical limit on density of a Lithium Air battery is the same as Diesel?..Yet with greater efficiency, so will have more duration.
My rule of thumb is that you need 13xdiesel gallons use per day in kWh of battery. That means we could run a battery combine harvester (the most challenging of applications) for about 4-5 hrs today on 1 MWh battery. Battery tech is improving (Hydrogen isn't) and we can expect 50% more range per kg in the next 3 yrs.
I fully appreciate batteries cannot do applications like harvesting that needs to be done maybe 24/7. There is no arguing they don't have the density today, but neither does Hydrogen, Hydrogen can just about compete with battery on range/duration if you use 10,000 PSI tanks and fuel cells, but it takes up more space and weight (contrary to popular belief), you just need to look at practical examples like the Mirai and Model 3. Using combustion engines and 5,000PSI tanks is a joke. I'm sure you can work out the rough comparisons are not pretty.
@@andyf10 the real problem is rampant pop growth and rampant consumption !!
Thank the Lord ( Banford ) at last someone with sense, all thats needed is convince the Government, lets be world leaders in Hydrogen
How can you convince bad people
I have two problems with hydrogen engine, one too many moving parts calling the need for frequent servicing, two production of hydrogen fuel that would lead back to the problems we are running from, carbon production.
@@alexndichu6629 what if the production is linked to clean energy like wind etc?
It wouldn’t have to, there is a lot of H2 in water, there is the tech to break water out there and has to evolved a lot since I knew how and what they were doing
I have to add. Thank you for the great production and presentation.
So interesting, thank you. I hope more the government and more companies get on board with this. It seems far more logical than every manufacturer trying to build big, expensive batteries
You'd rather they built big pressurised storage facilities for hydrogen instead then? Along with all the risks of having something stored at 10'000 psi near you? And those "big expensive batteries" you mentioned may soon be be much smaller, lighter, less costly batteries once solid state technology becomes mainstream........ And EV battery manufacturers aren't "trying" to build batteries, they ARE actually making them!
I was successfully running my RX 7 rotary engine powered 50 KVA generator on rainwater sourced hydrogen, 12 years ago 😎
After 35 hours successfully running on rainwater sourced hydrogen a slight technical hitch caused a leak which blew the rx7 engine with PTO driven 50 KVA generator and the side of my workshop to pieces , explosion took my camera and recordings out also, the only survivor was the rainwater to hydrogen electric converter 😬
@@fenflyer haha so a totally safe technology ready for consumer use then
Very hard to tame detonation in a h2 ice engine. The reciprocating engines BMW was testing suppered knock. H2 works better in rotary engines.
You RX 7 idea is simply not viable for the whole planet.
@@fenflyer That must have been a hell of a leak - one that occurred in poorly ventilated areas that allowed for stoichiometric ratios of hydrogen, that then saw an ignition source...Hydrogen usually will self evacuate from a ventilated area as it is so light. Normal petrol usually forms a more explosive mixture as it is heavy and stays in place unless the area is really well ventilated.
Engineers like him are the people we all need to listen to rather than TV muppets who think they know it all.
Hydrogen is already produced for next to nothing, using surplus tidal power electricity, in Orkney. The hydrogen is then used to power the hospital and the ferry when on berthed overnight. That is easy to scale up, and will be soon. Hydrogen powered trains are a big topic of discussion in Scotland right now.
Shell is/has built a large hydrogen plant in Germany, hence the EU push for Hydrogen, Totota is developing a IC conversion for Hydrogen use,
This is the reason why Scotland could leave Great Britain, and do very well indeed. There’s no reason why Scotland couldn’t do what Norway did fifty years ago, and prosper. Scotland has a commodity the EU craves more than anything, - an abundance of clean, relatively cheap energy. If Scotland invested in infrastructure to exploit waves, wind, and water, and build cables to the continent, rhe EU would beg them to (re-)join the Union, if Scotland chose to apply for membership. The EU needs energy, and at the same time they need to decrease their dependence on gas from Russia. I am Norwegian, I have followed Brexit, and would nothing less than for our Cousins in Scotland to do well on their own, and have a prosperous future.
@@karlf.karlsen4365 You forget that all these green energy schemes are subsidised, not by the Scottish Government but the UK government using mainly English money.
@@thamesmud So you don't think a desperate EU will do the same? They need green energy, and they need to loosen their dependence on Russian gas and oil. Scottish energy from wind, waves, and water is just perfect in such a scenario.
And even if green energy is subsidized, it will become profitable in the near future. Oil and gas needs to be taken out of the equation as much as possible - specially after this summer of disasters - and green energy is the substitute. Rapidly developing technology will make green energy much more efficient.
You seem like Americans when confronted with other nations doing things better than they do. The reply is always; Interesting, but it won't work here!
But surely hydrogen produced by tidal means would require transporting to where it is stored or sold, using large trucks which produce pollution?
Splendid, Harry.
The jcb top dog is proper professional loved this gave me more knowledge
Absolutely fantastic piece. I loved watching it. I am totally convinced that Hydrogen is the only way forward. Fair play to Lord Bamford.
BMW had a Hydrogen internal combustion vehicle in their model line-up 15 years ago.
It only lasted 2 years.
Is this video all it took to convince you :o
Statements in this video are a bit misleading:
Some new li-ion batteries did not use cobalt at all exactly because of limited supply mostly from shady unstable countries, this is also done for reducing price which falling constantly as cheaper compounds being developed. Copper in Tesla car motors was replaced by aluminium, others will follow if not done so already both in terms of battery and motors to limit their EVs to readily available affordable materials or at least limit use of expensive ones to a minimum. Thus hydrogen is currently destined for special-purpose applications where low weight or special logistic requirements are more important, as there currently is not a way to produce hydrogen both cheaply and eco-friendly for a wide-scale application like civilian cars. While you can use excess energy from renewables, the energy conversion ratio for getting hydrogen through electrolysis from water is rather poor when compared to use that energy for battery charging. I would personally prefer a hydrogen fuel cell plug-in hybrid with a 30kW battery for usual driving needs compared to an EV with a 100kW+ battery for comparable primary do-it-all car performance any day, but without eco-friendly mass production and hydrogen infrastructure it does not make any sense to even bother, As for using hydrogen for combustion, this is at best stop gap technology that will be hard sell in any country with hash environmental protection laws as are expected to become the norm in the future...
But wait, there is more, check some issues Toyota has with developing ICE hydrogen engine: ua-cam.com/video/3IPR50-soNA/v-deo.html
'it sounds more like a petrol'
Harry and everyone else will be very happy.
Looking forward to running a hydrogen powered V8 in the future 😎
@@V8PropaneBurner There is BMW Hydrogen 7. 6.0L V12 which kicks out a glorious 256PS and 290lb/ft. While being 2300kg. A glorious 111PS per tonne.
(fyi H2 piston engine is idiotic)
@@V8PropaneBurner The fuel tank for same range will be 7 times larger than a gas tank and weak power output will be about half for the same size engine. Hydrogen combustion engines are not the most stupid idea ever in the history of engineering technology - but they will be definitely merit an honorary mention in the hall of fame.
I have a dream. A hydrogen powered TVR.
@@bbbf09 My "research" on fuel storage size says the number is 3-4 times but your point is well made. Maybe I haven't accounted for the low power output. What I can't work out is why a commercial fleet operator in particular would use a hydrogen ICE in lieu of a fuel cell when the ratio of efficiencies is at least 2:1 and I'd expect it's quite a bit more, the way that diggers, dozers, haul trucks & the like use their power. Anyway, they'd be paying at least twice as much for fuel, which is the major operating cost for any commercial vehicle. Many might say purchase price but as with BEV's, this will soon disappear and even if fuel cells are expensive now, in the commercial realm this would soon enough be overtaken by the cost of fuel. To return to your point, a hydrogen powered ICE vehicle will also need at least twice the size of fuel tank as one with a fuel cell drivetrain to do the same amount of work. Yet another packaging problem, and let's not talk about a hydrogen ICE powered vehicle having the same high maintenance regime as every other ICE powered vehicle when compared to electric drivetrains. Sounds like a dead end to me. Apologies for the rant.
What a great, informative, classy and to the point video . The best video on hydrogen engines on youtube .
Fascinating interview, and very clarifying. There is hope in the future, to combine the classic combustion engine, with the environment. The best of the two worlds.👍🌎🚜
Is it really the best when you're still dealing with hot oil, eventually leaky gaskets and seals, constant heat generation slowly degrading all the plastic parts around the engine, coolant systems, the need for a fully stainless steel exhaust system so it doesn't completely rust out from the water... From a philosophical point of view the combustion engine is a beautiful thing like a fine automatic watch, but it's a huge amount of complexity to solve a problem with a far easier solution.
@@guygadbois1068 well put.👍
This technology has been available since 70s. BMW invested a lot in Hydrogen engines, as I remember they made 750 in 80s
@@guygadbois1068 Batteries simply aren’t the solution. They’re nowhere near being capable of doing the work and I use work in the scientific meaning.
@@mpershyn31 and they didnt work well. Very hard to tame detonation in a h2 ice engine. The reciprocating engines BMW was testing suppered knock. H2 works better in rotary engines.
Farmers throughout NZ have just been protesting against the government for pretty much fineing us for having diesel tractors and utes (small flat deck trucks)
We will end up like Cuba with the oldest fleet of cars in the world as a lot of people like me Tow. Hurry up elections!
@@Aldoor Don't talk elections. It's depressing, the choices are all bad. Pharlap or Crusher? Seymour maybe but I'm not certain I've seen enough of what he would do
I don't see ICE H2 working, the consumption is much too high, fuel cell H2 is my pick
@@Aldoor they are all the same. All global puppets
This is exciting, Hydrogen ICE. Congratulations JCB for pursuing this technology & not buying in to the whole EV being the future.
Lord Bamford’s opinion on why the world has become obsessed with EV makes complete sense, seems obvious on reflection that VW Dieselgate & Musk popping up that started this.
Sir Bamford got a lot of balls to come out like this in front of his peers..
We’ll done Sir
You certainly have common sense must be in your DNA 🧬 😌
huh? What are going on about?
@@OOpSjm
I’m going on about what I said..
Sir bamford is coming out on video to tell his peers what he’s up too..
I.E. his competitors and those in government..
Those in government that think that it’s all going to be electric ⚡️..
As a major investor in the conservative government he’s also telling them..
That electric works in small but not in big ..
Also he’s got some common sense..
Not like these woke lefties that think electric is the future for every think..
@@Only-one-life-68 “every think”?
@@Only-one-life-68 It's Lord Bamford.
@@RichardASK
Yes your correct sorry all
We have known for years that an internal combustion engine can run on H2. The trick will be to make enough H2 at a price that we can afford. And to date there is a massive hill to climb on that front. I don't think that will ever be solved. And that's before we mention the logistics of H2.
There's a company startup in Ireland dealing with the manufacture of hydrogen.
At least the storage problem seems to be solved. I remember BMW battling the leakage problems on their test cars back in 2000 to 2015. The tank drained itself within 9 days in the BMW Hydrogen 7 (E66 760iL). Oh, the 260 instead of 445hp and 3.6kg H2 per 100km at (subsidized) 10 Euro per kg where somewhat disappointing for BMW 7 owners at the time.
hydrogen fuel cells are 2x more efficient, our professor says that it burning H2 in IC is not the way to go for the vast majority of applications
@@VolkerHett *And that's with NO TAX on it !*
Hydrogen is not viable on any level.
Excellent video -- especially dealing with the advantage of having competing or (perhaps, better) complimentary technologies. One of the ways in which we can think about progress is by the extension of possible ways of dealing with a problem rather than having to decide on the One True Way of dealing with them.
I've been talking about this type of ICE for some time now. I just didn't understand why someone didn't go ahead and build one. Brilliant JCB!!
Economics.. Hydrogen made from natural gas is expensive to make and is the opposite of "green" Fuel cells make more sense in any case. JCB just wants to use the infrastructure is already has to make a very low efficiency ICE engine.
Infrastructure!
Hydrogen infrastructure is hugely expensive, it makes a lot more sense for the vast amounts needed to go to heavy transport and heavy industry. For passenger vehicles it makes hardly any sense.
It's not something new, it's well known technology. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_internal_combustion_engine_vehicle
@@UAPJedi Hmm. I'd like to know what is easier - scaling charging infrastructure for people who have on street parking (near enough half of the uk) or a hydrogen infrastructure. Rapid charging hubs not really a scalable solution - they're inconvenient for the end user and the load they'd place on the grid if everyone without a driveway relied on them would be too great. But rolling out millions of on street chargers ain't gonna be cheap or easy.
Brilliant!! A very interesting video, a lot of good sense being talked here.
In my opinion Hydrogen is definitely the way forward and I do agree 100% with the Elon Musk theory!!
Thanks for this video, Harry. I was convinced that hydrogen had a future in cars when I rode in a Honda hydrogen car from Malmö to Copenhagen at the COP 15 in Copenhagen in 2012 (I think). Hydrogen vehicles (buses and taxis especially) are growing in numbers in Denmark (as are EVs and PHEVs), where sales of petrol and diesel cars will cease in 2030 at the latest. Fuel cell technology can be - indeed is - used in shipping , including some of the ferries plying Danish ports. I was hoping that Lord Bamford would comment on electrofuels and biofuels in JCB machines, as they, like hydrogen, can be used in internal combustion engines. at least theoretically.
Dragging us into a future that actually works
I'm glad the British are starting to get their independence again and start doing what they do best actually make things wonderful
Ha ha ha ha yeh right...NOT!
Am i listening to really outdated and uninformed information here? First of all japan has already looked into mass producing hydrogen vehicles a long time ago. Second all internal combustion engines can run off hydrogen. Third there has been hydrogen powered buses here in America for years. They are developed by a company calles the sun bus. Last but not least Toyota has the most advanced hydrogen fuel cells. This video seriously made me feel like my brain was losing 📉 intelligence.
Mike Bradshaw you’re confusing this with a hydrogen fuel cell, which converts hydrogen into electricity which then drives an electric motor. This is an internal combustion engine that runs on hydrogen.
@@Solidsnake0208 which is 200 years old outdated technology.
Highly inefficient but I guess you wouldn't know that.
Extremely interesting, once you offer another refreshing view of the challnge we all face. It has been battery or fuelcells. And now this! You would not be Harry if you didnt go outside the envelope!
JCB / Bamford are a ledgend and respected in their field, ..but they are out of their depth with this idea.!
Many greater minds backed by organisations with limitless research resources have been down this road and found it a dead end. Sure you can run an ICE on H2, but not easily, economically, reliably, or even safely,...compared to alternatives.
Harry failed to ask (or know ?) the right questions.
amazing progress
would have loved to gone there with you brilliant day
Thanks Harry, as you have said there may also be opportunities to convert diesel machinery to hydrogen, which looks like a much cheaper and simpler option than converting to battery power.
idiot politicians are the biggest obstacle.
Statements in this video are a bit misleading:
Some new li-ion batteries did not use cobalt at all exactly because of limited supply mostly from shady unstable countries, this is also done for reducing price which falling constantly as cheaper compounds being developed. Copper in Tesla car motors was replaced by aluminium, others will follow if not done so already both in terms of battery and motors to limit their EVs to readily available affordable materials or at least limit use of expensive ones to a minimum. Thus hydrogen is currently destined for special-purpose applications where low weight or special logistic requirements are more important, as there currently is not a way to produce hydrogen both cheaply and eco-friendly for a wide-scale application like civilian cars. While you can use excess energy from renewables, the energy conversion ratio for getting hydrogen through electrolysis from water is rather poor when compared to use that energy for battery charging. I would personally prefer a hydrogen fuel cell plug-in hybrid with a 30kW battery for usual driving needs compared to an EV with a 100kW+ battery for comparable primary do-it-all car performance any day, but without eco-friendly mass production and hydrogen infrastructure it does not make any sense to even bother, As for using hydrogen for combustion, this is at best stop gap technology that will be hard sell in any country with hash environmental protection laws as are expected to become the norm in the future...
But wait, there is more, check some issues Toyota has with developing ICE hydrogen engine: ua-cam.com/video/3IPR50-soNA/v-deo.html
@@IonorReasSpamGenerator Look at what's been achieved just by applying themselves. The argument you use seems more phylisophical than anything.
Great video. Lord Bamford talked real common sense. The future looks a little brighter with people like him in charge
He literally backed Johnson. So no, the future isn't brighter because of Bamford. The work his engineers do on the other hand...
Brilliant video.
As an operator of a 15ton 360 excavator it’s fantastic to see someone thinking realistically about our industry.
When we turn up to a site there is NOTHING there, no infrastructure whatsoever, no drainage, no power, nothing, so our new electric excavators would need charging with a diesel generator at the end of shift what a crazy idea. This is such a common sense idea compared to battery power for construction machinery and heavy plant.
Well done JCB 👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you so much for making this video.
I was very sceptical of hydrogen knowing the issues, but I’m now a convert. If it’s going to be battery or hydrogen, I’ll choose hydrogen every time.
if you search utube you'll be able to find toyota is currently testing a hydrogen powered car & they've also reported almost identical performance/range as an equal petrol/diesel engine.
most of the current information regarding hydrogen you'll find is usually either good but hidden deep in the depths of the internet or incredibly bad/poor information so out of date its pointless to produce!!
in this upload you'll hear about the infrastructure for hydrogen production, that's actually pretty badly researched we've one of the largest hydrogen production facilities in the world & we're creating more (another complex is being built near hull & plans for one to be constructed in Teesside) Europe & china are also investing heavily with hydrogen, however this is always being pushed aside my non-sense of EV's....
Take that to the bank.
Please check the price for zero emission hydrogen, you might change your mind again after that.
@@Conservator. - He's clueless at any rate.
@@malp6280 - If you can actually name an H2 production facility, you defacto state that it's utterly impractical. Sufficient production to meet needs would entail thousands of plants producing H2.
Brilliant and not using up RARE EARTH METALS ? Isn’t that a great idea
Yes I totally agree I also don't want internal combustion engine to see their last days even after decades of their advancement , but I think there would be a problem while producing efuel this process will disturb the water recycle right?
The result of this technology is water out of the exhaust so I think it is a win win
Hydrogen the most common substance in the universe only cost of getting it is the problem but how much is spent on treating crude? Great video harry.
'Rare-Earth metals' are not actually that rare. In fact they are quite common - more common than copper. (Wiki will inform you.) Besides, not all electric motors use permanent magnets - it's not a requirement. What is rare is elemental hydrogen. Third most abundant element in the universe - blah blah - but not here on planet Earth. It takes considerable energy to produce and compress hydrogen into a useable form and the fossil fuel industry are pushing it hard because they know that "green hydrogen" will never be able to supply enough and so we'll be back to reforming methane, dumping huge quantities of CO2 in to the atmosphere. So, no, for the above and many other reasons, it's a bloody stupid idea to produce and burn it in internal combustion engines.
Ok so tell us what your solution is
Proof that engineers should run industry, not financiers. When I started work in engineering I was told that accountants were a useful tool, but if put in charge there would be very little advancement because the key to being an accountant is to not take risks. The engineer must take calculated risks to improve the product or come up with new technology,
All engineering has it's place and time . I knew a decade ago we would likely come around to this solution as the engine technology was never the stumbling block that scale of production and distribution of fuel is .
I was in Japan a couple years ago, they have hydrogen filling stations for cars. I was so impressed i took a photo of one. It's definitely viable.
I believe I heard James May say that the UK has 3 H2 filling stations, nationally.
@@simonhbacon There are about 5. They cost north of £1.5m each and can fuel about 10 cars a day. H2 is woefully inefficient, and made largely from natural gas. For passenger cars, forget it. It is just not going to happen.
@Bujf vjg simple solution for simpletons. Scania, the 10 largest trucking company in the world, says no newatlas.com/automotive/scania-ditches-hydrogen/
H2 cars are actually battery powered evs, with the h2 cell charging the battery. Efficiency of h2 is very poor @
@@edwardbyard6540 It only takes about 5 minutes to fill a car, so i don't know where you get a limit of 10 cars a day. If its the size of the tank, this is easy to increase.
Define inefficient, the video stated that it contained more energy than diesel for a given, presumably compressed volume.
Video also envisaged generating H2 at off shore wind farms, electrolysing sea water.
Costs will be driven down as technology improves and becomes more mainstream.
@@nordic5490 I think you're confusing hydrogen fuel cell motors (which as you say use electric power to drive a vehicle) with the hydrogen internal combustions engines discussed in this video. I agree though that both are less fuel efficient than petrol or diesel engines. The added problem is the amount of electricity required to produce "clean" hydrogen, and the costs involved in manufacturing and distributing it.
Lord Bamford speaks all the truths. Would love to do some testing!
Even Ross Brawn predicted H being the future of F1. We need one of major auto manufactures to develop this in tandem with EV.
Yes and limit the engines to 5k revs and develop throaty exhaust systems. Do away with KERS maybe.
Toyota are developing hydrogen engines and fuels at the moment they also believe internal combustion engines are not finished
@@johngorton5468 Yeah, Scotty Kilmer covers the subject often. I think EM must have a contract out on him, haha.
Toyota an BMW
Too many with vested interest waiting their turn to get their investment money back on other energy sources. All lined up in a queue. Why Us Humans don’t get the benefits of ANY great inventions that hurdle existing tech.
What an enlightening and enjoyable interview. Well done Harry. A glimmer of hope for common sense, shown to us by the Bamfords.
Great video Harry and I believe it's the best remedy for Heavy Machinery and even airplanes. However, hydrogen is usually stored in tanks 5000-10,000 psi tank pressure. Because the pressure is so high the tanks deteriorate very quickly when compared to Diesel or Petrol tanks. I wouldn't be very impressed if a Hydrogen station was built near my house, with all the risks hydrogen storage brings. Lord Bamford mentioned the rare materials that make up the battery, such as Lithium, Cobalt and Copper. Battery technology is advancing so fast now with the approach of the Solid State battery and other alternative materials being used instead of Lithium, Cobalt and Copper. Those alternative materials are not rare and will not get more expensive. In fact the solid state batteries are getting denser and smaller.I think both technologies have a place in our future. I love JCB and I hope the hydrogen engine is a great success.
This is correct, great for heavy vehicles that can carry heavy tanks, not so practical for cars which will be limited in range simply due to the size of tanks required to safely carry the hydrogen fuel.
At last! Someone talking sense about the whole electric vehicle cul-de-sac that the blindfolded are being led down! Hydrogen is THE way forward. Thank you Harry for getting this out there.
An existing low emission fuel already exists which never got a mention its called LPG.
More complex system that’s costs more requires more servicing and has a higher cost fuel source that’s less efficient energy wise. While in this application it does have its benefits, hydrogen has more profitable applications which detract from good engineering like this.
Yet know one seems to know how to transport Hydrogen in meaningful quantities.
.....the way forward. Where are you getting your data from?
@@oldjonesy123 Low emission at the point of use, but horrendous emissions at the point of production......
Thank you Harry. Bloody brilliant minds out there. Glad that I watched I can tell my grandchildren that I saw the first hydrogen engines running.
Well done JCB and great interesting talk between Lord Bamford and Harry's garage. Thankyou
Really hope we get hydrogen powered engines in the future as an alternative to electric
??? Hydrogen vehicles are electric cars that get power from hydrogen instead of mains electricity. They are electric vehicles.
@@cathalfolan8441 I think the OP is referring to internal combustion engines that make power directly from burning hydrogen. As shown in the video.
@@nickegan3988 You'd like to think so, but there are pockets of "over-my-dead-body" anti-electric people out there who would rather use a rubber band powered scooter than dirty their driveways with a battery car.
@@cathalfolan8441 that's the case my diesel is electric. I need a battery to start it. . Electric is a no no. The infrastructure is not there and never will be in my lifetime. The cable on estates is sub standard. New estates may handle every house plugged into a car. Mmm I doubt it. What we need is a kit. Plastic water tank fitted with plates to produce the H. Maybe some stainless or ceramic parts in the kit to fit. A nice new tap fitment for my outside tap. Nice. Whoever comes up with something like this, that's works will soon vanish off the face of the planet. Bit of both would be a decent mix though
@@bbbf09God your serious. Take a pill. It's a laugh but your wrong with telling me I don't understand electric. Well someone told me who works for Northern Powergrid the underground cables will not take every house plugged into chargers or half come to think of it. . Sit back and think about it. The cable is just not big enough to carry that load. So you make that what you will but it's fact. Cabling will need upgrading. Just like these crap heat pumps that has had to be put back. They don't work unless your house is built for the specs. Where I live anyway. Oil rules. Anyway it was a joke about the tap.
Can we expect a review of Lord Bamford’s Ferrari 250 GTO ?
doesnt he have 2?
i didnt know that...isnt that cool 100 million right there?
Alan de Cadenet did this for Victory by Design a few years ago.
@@dizzy2020 he has two indeed, a green Series 1 and that Series 2 that crashed at Goodwood in front of my eyes
@@bugsy791
Wow is this how much they’re worth..
Crickey
So impressed of this genius explanation of the future of real combustion engines. A masterpiece.
I take my hat of for the JCB company.
... provided you ignore the fact we are decades from mass product of green hydrogen.
@@antjone hmm, but green electricity is mass-produced now do you mean....
@@gx1400sc Making hydrogen from renewable electricity looks like a good idea, until you realise you need so much electricity to do so.
And it's difficult to store and transport - you need to put in 8x more energy than you get out.
Diggers are a niche issue, the video should have looked at the decades of work needed.
@@antjone but it don't need rare metals, and about the energi cost to make hydrogen if you take all the energi and copper to make an electric car , etc I really doubt that the total energy cost is lower for battery cars.
And the transportation of gas tubes, we have transported 300 bar tubes for decades no problem what so ever.. Charging the cars in mass will generate a horrible costs in energi and costs for upgrading the grid all the way to the user. in other words, it won't be done. Hydrogen is the solution.
@@gx1400sc I agree hydrogen is the solution, but only around 2100. (Not 9pm 😉)
Hydrogen, LPG and Bio fuels seem to not only have a back seat to electric but aren’t even allowed in the theatre.
Electric just isn’t ready or affordable, let alone cost effective, for commercial, domestic or regular long journey drivers.
£30-40 to charge a Tesla at a charging is a joke! Especially when the realistic range is less than 175 miles.
@@v4skunk739 My Subaru is cheaper to run than that!
Horses for courses. Electric is brilliant for cars, its also never realistically been an option for heavy vehicles, ships and trains. Hydrogen has always been pushed for this option. This isn’t new, but infrastructure is a massive problem for hydrogen, its even bigger for cars, electric infrastructure for cars is relatively small in comparison but as Lord Bamford says it is unrealistic for vehicles that have incredibly high work loads, Such as ships.
@@v4skunk739 And charging at home (far more typical for Tesla owners) is about £10 for an atypical 20% up to 90% charge (I'm normally only putting in 10-15% each night). www.teslaev.co.uk/tesla-cost-to-charge-calculator/. We just don't use Superchargers the way you lot use service stations.
@@robbybobbyhobbies Exactly, unless you are on a very long trip, if you need to supercharge you have done something wrong. EVs are charged at your destination.
Fascinating Harry. My father talked about Hydrogen powered engines and he's been gone now for 40 years almost to the day. Brighton buses had heavy flywheels which could cut in to power the bus up the hill (at a very reduced speed), but I'm talking about 1918. The internal combustion engines that are in use now can, with some tweaking, run on Hydrogen. Its a fantastically cheap answer too. Electric powered vehicles are easily twice the price and batteries are made up of expensive rare earth materials which is madness, its as daft as trying to run cars on coal or gold. Hydrogen, there is nothing new under the sun. The politicians need to wise up, trouble is they are dunces when it comes to technology.
Yea but Musk said it was good so than it must be 🤪 It's really crazy how some people just love everything that man does without actually thinking over what he is doing. Like sending rockets and satellites in to space by the bulk and filling up the little space we had left in our outer atmosphere. Sending the very richest among us in to space just for funn producing as much pollution per person as 3 Jumbo jets flying from London to New York. And the whole rechargeable car idea is not the solution we will end up with at the end. It just isn't and its not hard to see. So that means that all this charging infrastructure all this development on cars where one can not even exchange the batteries like in an electric tool or something but you need to put the whole thing on the charger like the very first battery driven screw machines is just a waste of money and time. Money and time we could have spend on working towards the real solution which is one where you can refuel or recharge the machine in no time. In the mean time Musk is filling his pockets like there was no tomorrow. And everyone is like : Ahh Elon. We love you. Tell us what the future looks like 🤪
What a fantastic interview with Lord Bamford 👍🏻 It’s the future and the U.K. need to embrace this and sell it too the whole world 🌎 👍🏻
Electric large equipment is absurd - much of this equipment operates remotely and EV is not practical in any way. Great video, JCB is thinking objectively and not politically.
Accept there is a full size ferry in regular service that is 100% electric.
@@mbak7801 Regular service on a short route with massive dedicated charging stations is hardly remote. Heavy equipment is the first things on a new construction site etc. when there is no electric service available.
and you're telling me the hydrogen supply chain is robust?
@@RC-fp1tl Where did I say that? Obviously the infrastructure needs developing.
I will however say that it is a lot easier to take a tank of hydrogen to a job site than it is to take enough electricity to recharge the equipment.
@@mbak7801 you mean the ones that are operating as hybrids right now and will have custom charging when they dock? That doesn’t apply to construction equipment on a site with no power, which is the issue JCB is addressing. 🤦🏻♂️
Amazing guy. His finger is firmly on the pulse and gets it.
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Apart from the rampant nationalism and lack of situational awareness you mean?
JCB...bubbling with two things that are rare these days. Honesty and ingenuity
Just passing by to hit like. I'll watch later. Harry is the best.
He is, he has give me the confidence to start my own channel. Harry cuts straight to the point with things
He says 0 emissions now, but this kind of engine still will have NOx emissions, so it's not only water vapor that comes out of the exhaust
Harry does address this at the end of the video. They managed to solve that by optimising the fuel-air mixture and running temperature
Yes, unless there's some exhaust treatment cat-thing that takes it out.
There is an article in the Financial Times about how JCB have found a way to eliminate or NOx emissions. It isn’t very detailed though.
And to produce hydrogen they take fossil fuel and split it onto hydrogen and CO2.
I imagine that some amount of whatever lubricates the cylinder walls will be burned and exhausted.
Inspirational firm JCB - we had their Fastrac at Silsoe back in the day. The JCB factory is an amazing place.
What a fascinating video. Excellent interview with Lord Bamford. I think he’s right - IC engines do have a future; it’s the fuels that must change.
Hands down hydrogen is the proper way to Climate change always has been, always will be, and it free...!!!
A wonderful solution to the problems of diesel, petrol electric and expensive fuel cells !
Get the politicians to facilitate the infrastructure and we're off and running !
They will only do it when they get paid for it, (BACKHANDER)
Fascinating. I originally skipped this video, but after watching your review of 2021, JCB looked much more interesting and so it proved to be.
The future is suddenly looking more interesting.
Superbly informative, thanks Harry. Did I miss the bit where you tell us where hydrogen fuel comes from?
I'm so happy the ICU has a new lease of life!
No one talks about the cost of hydrogen or safety concerns. These are major considerations.
Harry, I love your work…please do your amazing videos justice with some better sound equipment…🙏❤️
Drove a Hydrogen Fuel Cell Hyundai a few years ago, they really need to get the infrastructure sorted, this is the future, depending on what pressure you put in the tank dictated how far you could go 500psi= 500 miles 600psi= 600 and so on if I remember correctly.
Ford build pick up trucks. They are about to launch the new F150 electric. Due to the range issue, they have put a 'removable range' petrol engine on board to charge the batteries. LOL.
It's too expensive for mainstream. Waste of energy to produce hydrogen for the masses.
Hydrogen and electric cars right now is nonsense. It is simply not viable.
Watching this for the second time when Lord Bamford mentioned our great British engineers I had a lightbulb moment, persuade the formula 1 genius engineers to take a good look at this technology. It would offer totally green racing and the tech would trickle down in the usual way
do you know that JCB are involved in Formula 1 already .
Can we have a video of lord Bamfords car collection please. I have a feeling it’s pretty special