I know this is an older video, but incase you were still wondering about valve seats on VP heads, the hardened seats were only on the HO motors. The intake floor hump was there to clear P-pumps in other applications, from what I understand.
@@CUTTERUPROB You bet, I’ve heard there’s a different turbo and maybe injectors. I’m weighing getting a 3500 HO vs 4500, coupled to the Aisin. Thank you for your expertise.
Hi Rob, do you ever do any port & polishing on these heads? If so when you do a video would be great. Keep up the awesome content. Loving the channel. Thanks
You mentioned in a different video 03-04 spray pattern matches the 6.7. So could I throw a long block into my 03 shorty and just swap over the injectors an valve harness or is there more too it?
Great video and lot knowledge ,congrats my brother ,just and question ,I have a 2008 isb 6.7 and I want swap the manifold and turbocharger from my engine and put the 5.9 one. This will work ?
Have you dealt with any aftermarket blocks, heads, or cranks? When I do my 6.7 build I want to buy new so I can stay standard bore easily and minimize how much the block and head are surfaced, but the aftermarkets are much less expensive, mainly the blocks. My local machine shop that deals with a lot of commercial and industrial stuff has sold a few with no issues. He said they are usually heavier because they build up problem areas mainly in the heads.
Hey rob, I have a 05 5.9 block, and a 6.7L head. Late 5.9 injectors/late pistons. Would I run into any issues running this head??? Concerned about the steam ports....Would I want to go with a 5.9 or 6.7 head gasket? The injectors fit in the 6.7....but do the feed tubes as well? Is there any other port differences? Thanks for the help!
Hay Rob, great info. I need a new head for my 2007.5 pickup and dodge lists it as having its own part number, then 2008-12, and 2013-18 being different as well. Can I put a 2013-18 head on my 2007.5? Do you know what the difference is between them?
Great video bud was wondering I have a 04 common rail wanting to 6.7 swap it was told I could use my 5.9 head what would be best my 5.9 head or the 6.7 head with 5.9 injectors also what all would I need to accomplish the swap
if you buy a 6.7 you can just put your 5.9 injectors right in the 6.7, so basically just use the 5.9 fuel system , wiring and ecm from he 5.9 on the 6.7 long block
Are the steam port holes drilled straight through to where the valves are? Or are they connected through some sort of channel? Or possibly to a coolant port?
@@CUTTERUPROB That may be handy for me. May buy a rebuilt, or used 6.7 short block. Then reuse all my 5.9 stuff in and around the head. Get displacement and save money. Sounds do-able.
hey can you visually see the difference between a 5.9 common rail head or a 6.7 head from the outside? Im having trouble identifying a head in a cummins swapped ford. Also can you tell the difference between a 5.9 block and 6.7 block?
@@CUTTERUPROBthnks for the reply. I bought a ford f350 swapped with a 6.7 cummins. The guy said it was a 6.7, but im having doubts since it has a 2005 5.9 ecu. But i know guys run the 5.9 ecus for better tuning. I just need to be sure for buying parts and tuning, but i dont want to remove the head to know for sure. the block can also be either a 5.9 or 6.7, i just dont know
Hello Rob, I have a 24v 1998 that has low compression and I was thinking instead of rebuilding this engine, swap it with a 2007-2010 6.7. Can i use the 6.7 head with my VP44 and injectors or do I need to use my 5.9 head?
@@CUTTERUPROB I should be able to use the front timing cover from my 5.9 and the same 46re transmission correct? The questions is if the VP will fit with that head since the VP head has a notch in it.
Doing a vp44 6.7 will be the same as doing the 6.7 ppump with a couple less steps. I will do a over view. And maybe build one after I get the ones I have planned to do done
@@truckon247 if your running in the 2014 truck. I wouldn’t screw around with it. If you want to run the 6.7 short block in a 5.9 truck it worth the work.
@@CUTTERUPROB yeah ok I’ve got one coming from power driven diesel that’s an Indian head and at first was a bit worried but they assured me they are a good head so I’ll take there word on it.
What RMS should a Cummins cylinder head be? If theres a specific one.. this new cylinder head i got is really imo very rough.. supposed to be “bolt on” Id send u a picture if i could.
@@CUTTERUPROB 12 valve. Its a Hamilton cams cylinder head company. Its brand new but never saw a surface thats this rough for a bolt on head. I worked on mostly gas jobs in the machine shop many years so it looks strange to me
If you want the 6.7 ppump build the button end will be the same. Idea and then put the 12v head on. Basically the engine in my race truck. But i can some videos on it
@@CUTTERUPROB right on. Thanks for the reply. I'm wanting to build an aftermarket manifold for my truck, but I only have a 5.9 manifold with a T4 flange. Building a t4i flange isn't an issue, im just hoping to verify port layout lol
@@CUTTERUPROB do you know the part number for 5.9? Do you use sbi seats? My machine shop say they put the oversized seats from propane applications. Drove an hour to this guy that’s supposed to be the best around only for him to tell me the seats on my common rail head isn’t stock. He said all 5.9 and 6.7 have integral seats he’s never seen seats on stock heads. 🤦♂️ he mostly does 12v and older 24v stuff as far as pickup engines it looks like. Sending him some of your videos thanks for your videos explaining things
@@andreasseibel4413 you have too as the 6.7 bore. 5.9 gasket hole is to small. But if you use the 5.9 head you have to make the oil hole line up better for the head oiling
The 5.9 isbe rear gear drive whish were only built in Darlington UK had the steam holes in the block and head as well as a360deg crank thrust all the same specs as later 6.7.and the 5.9isbe uses 2 sizes of head bolt unlike the USA qsb5.9.usa only got 5.9isbe as industrial engines and the data plate of all Darlington UK engines is silver unlike USA built black data plates
Only thing I have to say that’s backwards, is that 6.7 injectors will work just fine in a 5.9 and need to be tuned out. 5.9 injectors will not work however in a 6.7
I have been trying to find someone that can tune them, I believe firepunk can do the tunes for it but I’m not 100% sure. I’ve been wanting to do the 6.7 injector swap though, I believe it would be a nice benefit on my 04.5.
I'm just asking again about this head so those steam holes won't affect anything and the oiling hole will line up so I won't have any oiling issues I'm only asking cause I already have had my block fire ringed just the block I still gotta send the head off to get surfaced its brand new
Have you ever seen any issues with the steam ports from the 6.7 head on a 5.9 block? Would there be an issue with fire ringing and running a 6.7 fire ringed gasket?
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
I know this is an older video, but incase you were still wondering about valve seats on VP heads, the hardened seats were only on the HO motors.
The intake floor hump was there to clear P-pumps in other applications, from what I understand.
Good info on the seats.
Very good information on this channel. I just got done with a 6.7 vp build.
Good stuff
@Jake Murders if you don't mind me asking what turbo and injector setup did you go with? I'm curious how you think of it.
@@ChaosViper67 62/72 with a set of 200s from f1. It starts to light at like 1650 rpm and hits 37 psi before 1900rpm. On small drive tune from ejwa.
@@Easymoneyproductions great setup, what size turbine wheels and housings, what are you running for tuning, and if auto what stall converter?
Sorry, just realized you said edge for tuning.
Wow, been looking for someone to give this level of technical information. Maybe weigh in on the new high output engine. Thank you
We talking the new new high output
@@CUTTERUPROB You bet, I’ve heard there’s a different turbo and maybe injectors. I’m weighing getting a 3500 HO vs 4500, coupled to the Aisin. Thank you for your expertise.
Hi Rob, do you ever do any port & polishing on these heads? If so when you do a video would be great. Keep up the awesome content. Loving the channel. Thanks
I do but not too much. but when i do the next one i will show them
You mentioned in a different video 03-04 spray pattern matches the 6.7. So could I throw a long block into my 03 shorty and just swap over the injectors an valve harness or is there more too it?
Great video and lot knowledge ,congrats my brother ,just and question ,I have a 2008 isb 6.7 and I want swap the manifold and turbocharger from my engine and put the 5.9 one. This will work ?
It will work as long as you don’t want to run a lot of power
Have you dealt with any aftermarket blocks, heads, or cranks? When I do my 6.7 build I want to buy new so I can stay standard bore easily and minimize how much the block and head are surfaced, but the aftermarkets are much less expensive, mainly the blocks. My local machine shop that deals with a lot of commercial and industrial stuff has sold a few with no issues. He said they are usually heavier because they build up problem areas mainly in the heads.
What is your thoughts on putting a vp 44 head on a 12 valve and can it be done thanks
If your doing a p pump 6.7 can you use a 6.7 head or does it need to be a vp44 head?
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Hey rob, I have a 05 5.9 block, and a 6.7L head. Late 5.9 injectors/late pistons. Would I run into any issues running this head??? Concerned about the steam ports....Would I want to go with a 5.9 or 6.7 head gasket? The injectors fit in the 6.7....but do the feed tubes as well? Is there any other port differences? Thanks for the help!
Just act like it’s a 5.9 head and bolt it on
Hay Rob, great info. I need a new head for my 2007.5 pickup and dodge lists it as having its own part number, then 2008-12, and 2013-18 being different as well. Can I put a 2013-18 head on my 2007.5? Do you know what the difference is between them?
They will bolt on. But I would use a 07-12 head over the 13+ and the 13+ like to have seat and valve issues
Great video bud was wondering I have a 04 common rail wanting to 6.7 swap it was told I could use my 5.9 head what would be best my 5.9 head or the 6.7 head with 5.9 injectors also what all would I need to accomplish the swap
if you buy a 6.7 you can just put your 5.9 injectors right in the 6.7, so basically just use the 5.9 fuel system , wiring and ecm from he 5.9 on the 6.7 long block
@@CUTTERUPROB thank you bud just trying to get as much info as I can before I do it keep up the good videos
It’s a easy swap I have done it a few times
Are the steam port holes drilled straight through to where the valves are? Or are they connected through some sort of channel? Or possibly to a coolant port?
there casted in but just straight through
If running a 5.9 head on A 6.7. Is it necessary to drill these holes
you dont have to no, but the block is designed to have the flow there
If I was to do a 6-7 with a p pump conversion what injectors and injector tubes and injector lines?
vp44 stuff , i show it in the playlist for the ppump 6.7
Hey Rob, ive got a 24 valve 53 block and I was thinking, could i use my vp head and a 5.9 comon rail block to replace the 53 block?
You can buy you have to do some work to make the timing case fit and couple other things
Do you need the drill steam holes in the 5.9 head to put it on the 6.7 block
I have built a few with no steam holes
can you do a video on what mods are needed to put a 12 valve head on a 6.7 block?
I can
@@CUTTERUPROB thanks man i really appreciate it!!
Is the head work that you would recommend to have done on a 6.7 to improve performance without effecting reliability
depends on what your doing with the engine
Hello mr. Rob.
How well does a mechanical 12v head work on a 6.7 block?
Ve. Or P-pump.
Basically bolts on. Just depends what you want to do with steam holes
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That may be handy for me.
May buy a rebuilt, or used 6.7 short block.
Then reuse all my 5.9 stuff in and around the head. Get displacement and save money. Sounds do-able.
Rob what is the best head to put on a 2012 6.7
Any 6.7 head will work. I prefer the heads without the reliefs in them
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What about running a vp 44 head on the 6.7 cr block ? With the mls 6.7 gasket. Anything different that needs to be modified besides steam holes?
Steam holes and bolt on. Thanks how my shorty engine is
Thank you sir
What about the coolant passage thats half covered up in the rear driverside of the head with the 6.7 gasket?
Were is the best place to buy a new 12v Cummins head
I am working on that for you guys.
Can you put a 12 on a 24 valve block
Head goes on but there is difference in the other parts
Can you install a 5.9 balancer and reluctanter wheel on a 2018 6.7 wonder for my swap?
You could yes
Why would you do that? 6.7 balancer is way better I run a 6.7 balancer on my 5.9. It’s a poor mans fluid damper lol. Idles quiter
So is there a difference in cab &chassis heads? Valve seat ?
No it depends on the year. More then c&c vs pickup
hey can you visually see the difference between a 5.9 common rail head or a 6.7 head from the outside? Im having trouble identifying a head in a cummins swapped ford. Also can you tell the difference between a 5.9 block and 6.7 block?
not really , part number on the bottom of the intake , if the engine is stock there is a few things the give it away
@@CUTTERUPROBthnks for the reply. I bought a ford f350 swapped with a 6.7 cummins. The guy said it was a 6.7, but im having doubts since it has a 2005 5.9 ecu. But i know guys run the 5.9 ecus for better tuning. I just need to be sure for buying parts and tuning, but i dont want to remove the head to know for sure. the block can also be either a 5.9 or 6.7, i just dont know
Hello Rob, I have a 24v 1998 that has low compression and I was thinking instead of rebuilding this engine, swap it with a 2007-2010 6.7. Can i use the 6.7 head with my VP44 and injectors or do I need to use my 5.9 head?
Using a vp on it I think you could use the 6.7. I haven’t done a vp44 6.7 so not a 100% on it
@@CUTTERUPROB I should be able to use the front timing cover from my 5.9 and the same 46re transmission correct? The questions is if the VP will fit with that head since the VP head has a notch in it.
How do you make a 24valve head into a top feed injector. Thanks 👍👍
There is a couple of way to do it. but i will get into that in later video's when we build a engine the needs them
@@CUTTERUPROB I need one for my pull truck 😃👍
@@jeffbayles1274 well then lol
@@CUTTERUPROB id like to know too since monster mike is mia anymore
Can you “do” a 6.7 vp44 engine. Company in Canada called Khaos Kustoms makes them. Modifies oil pan and sell conversion tube holders for 6.7 head
Doing a vp44 6.7 will be the same as doing the 6.7 ppump with a couple less steps. I will do a over view. And maybe build one after I get the ones I have planned to do done
@@CUTTERUPROB 6.7 with 5.9 vp44 head ?????
I have a fleece 5.9 head and I have a 2014 6.7 what do I need to do to get that head no my 6.7?
You can just bolt it on. But I recommend to drill the steam holes in the head
@@CUTTERUPROB then you half to run 5.9 injectors and a wire harness?
@@truckon247 if your running in the 2014 truck. I wouldn’t screw around with it. If you want to run the 6.7 short block in a 5.9 truck it worth the work.
Do you ever go with aftermarket new heads Chinese or Indian heads or do you just go oem Cummins?
Every head I have got from Cummins is a Chinese or Indian head.
@@CUTTERUPROB yeah ok I’ve got one coming from power driven diesel that’s an Indian head and at first was a bit worried but they assured me they are a good head so I’ll take there word on it.
Ya it will be just fine
What RMS should a Cummins cylinder head be? If theres a specific one.. this new cylinder head i got is really imo very rough.. supposed to be “bolt on”
Id send u a picture if i could.
It depends on which head your talking about
@@CUTTERUPROB 12 valve. Its a Hamilton cams cylinder head company. Its brand new but never saw a surface thats this rough for a bolt on head. I worked on mostly gas jobs in the machine shop many years so it looks strange to me
Can you make a video on how to put a 12valve head on a 5.9 common rail block and how to p pump it? make a cerise of videos on how do it
If you want the 6.7 ppump build the button end will be the same. Idea and then put the 12v head on. Basically the engine in my race truck. But i can some videos on it
@@CUTTERUPROB I have a 5.9 24v 325horse engine does everything fit water pump oil pump and cam?Or do I have to buy specific items for the swap?
Videos would help a lot.
Is there a difference in exhaust port sixe and layout between the CR heads?
As far as I know all the 5.9 crd heads are the same. But they is a couple different designs for the 6.7
@@CUTTERUPROB right on. Thanks for the reply. I'm wanting to build an aftermarket manifold for my truck, but I only have a 5.9 manifold with a T4 flange. Building a t4i flange isn't an issue, im just hoping to verify port layout lol
@@megacab109 if your talking the exhaust manifold pattern there all the same
@@CUTTERUPROB perfect. Thank you sir
I have a 6.7 what would I need in order to run a late 5.9 head?
Why do you want to run a 5.9 head?
@@CUTTERUPROB my 6.7 dropped a valve seat and my buddy has a re built 5.9 head ready to go that he’ll make me a deal on
What seats do you run for a 800hp common rail head?
For the most part just a oversized. Witch is about three times the weight of stock
@@CUTTERUPROB do you know the part number for 5.9? Do you use sbi seats? My machine shop say they put the oversized seats from propane applications. Drove an hour to this guy that’s supposed to be the best around only for him to tell me the seats on my common rail head isn’t stock. He said all 5.9 and 6.7 have integral seats he’s never seen seats on stock heads. 🤦♂️ he mostly does 12v and older 24v stuff as far as pickup engines it looks like. Sending him some of your videos thanks for your videos explaining things
@@CUTTERUPROB ok 👍 .006 to .007 press fit is what they said they do. Oversized seats help keep the head from cracking as soon or no difference?
So would a 24v Cummins injector work in a common rail 24v?
In a 305 hp crd and the 6.7 yes. But only if you use the right injection system
@@CUTTERUPROB I have a common rail head that I’m wanting to put on my 99 and I was curious if the 99 injectors would fit and work
@@kylemiller5281 if can be made to work. But you have to do a few things
Hi
If I’m doing a 6.7 swap
And using a 5.9 head which head gasket do I use 5.9 or 6.7 ?
6.7 gasket, but i would use the 6.7 head
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Ok but if I do use a 5.9 head then what your says is best to use 6.7 gasket?
@@andreasseibel4413 you have too as the 6.7 bore. 5.9 gasket hole is to small. But if you use the 5.9 head you have to make the oil hole line up better for the head oiling
@@CUTTERUPROB oh ok sounds good thx man
The 5.9 isbe rear gear drive whish were only built in Darlington UK had the steam holes in the block and head as well as a360deg crank thrust all the same specs as later 6.7.and the 5.9isbe uses 2 sizes of head bolt unlike the USA qsb5.9.usa only got 5.9isbe as industrial engines and the data plate of all Darlington UK engines is silver unlike USA built black data plates
That’s good info. Thanks 🙏
Only thing I have to say that’s backwards, is that 6.7 injectors will work just fine in a 5.9 and need to be tuned out. 5.9 injectors will not work however in a 6.7
The 5.9 injectors will go in the 6.7 no issues I have done the swap 30 times on swaps.
I have been trying to find someone that can tune them, I believe firepunk can do the tunes for it but I’m not 100% sure. I’ve been wanting to do the 6.7 injector swap though, I believe it would be a nice benefit on my 04.5.
So I can run a 6.7commom rail head on my 5.9 common rail
You can yes.
I'm just asking again about this head so those steam holes won't affect anything and the oiling hole will line up so I won't have any oiling issues I'm only asking cause I already have had my block fire ringed just the block I still gotta send the head off to get surfaced its brand new
Have you ever seen any issues with the steam ports from the 6.7 head on a 5.9 block? Would there be an issue with fire ringing and running a 6.7 fire ringed gasket?