So by my calculation of 70 kWh used out of 75 kWh capacity, you can do 486 km or 301 mi at HIGHWAY speeds in the rear drive? That is insanely amazing. Over 4 hours of driving time between charges. So if you do a road trip starting 8 am and stop for lunch (30-40 minutes) at noon you can do like 850 to 900 km in a day! That is seriously unbelievable.
It gets even better that that : the Sandy Munro tear down showed that the LR pack is 80 kWh with 78 useable ! The calculus is quite simple : 4416 cells x 18 Wh per cell assuming nothing more than the same energy density of a 18650
@@ryccoh That was a rumour on internet fora that was never confirmed by Tesla . Actually Tesla announces their battery generations and they did not so at the launch of the 2170 : it is thus reasonable to assume that there was no jump in energy density between 18650 and 2170
@@ryccoh I am quite sure that idustrial marking of TM3 cells is Panasonic NCR21700A with 18 Wh of nominal energy (5 Ah * 3,6 V). Like for TMS/X "85" battery cells it was Panasonic NCR18650BE and then BM model in later production. So the nominal energy of the TM3 battery is really 80 kWh.
Wow, impressed with the efficiency of the Model 3 RWD!! and I was playing Bjorn's old road trip playlist in the background while watching this, for some background music ah! felt like was back in Norway with Millennium Falcon and Optimus Prime.
Absolutely agree that the original true EPA range was 334 miles , and there is a document to show that : www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-epa-rating-334-miles-long-range/
Awesome, Bjorn! I didn't realize you were so close behind us when we left. If I knew you were there, I might not have got off at Gorman. I needed a Tesla pace car! :-)
I knew it! ⚡ I've got Tesla Model 3 LR RWD - super efficient even cruising with 75 mi/h! The 72°F helped to achieve 13 miles on top of the 310 mi! 😎 Thank you for that race, Bjorn!
I think I'm most impressed with the Ioniq, cheaper cost and very good range and efficiency. Considering you cant get the RWD Model 3 anymore that means the most efficient is the Ioniq.
@@practicalguy973 The Ioniq should be way lighter due to smaller batteries in addition to it's smaller size. To me it's not as impressive anymore because of this. :)
Outstanding test! For those watching that are not familiar with the units used, here's the equivalent mpg for the winner. 232 wh/mile is equivalent to 145.26 mpg! Awesome mileage, especially with the AC on and driving so fast!!!
Nice!!! That Chevy Bolt has the Chevy Cruze Eco rims! I used to have a Cruze Eco...those are super light and efficient wheels. Good choice by that owner!
Great video! Timely too because I am selling my RWD 2018 Model 3 (Pearl White w/Enhanced Autopilot) and made the claim in my ad that it's the most efficient Tesla ever made. Now I have evidence to support my claim :). Thanks Bjørn!
IMO: The test was not typical of California driving that most EV drivers encounter. It is difficult to get higher than 45 mph average speeds in populated areas, you go fast, then stop, then fast, then stop on the freeways. I tried to do a mileage test on Saturday with the Jaguar I-Pace, but never got a chance to hit 75mph at any time unless I wanted to drive in the emergency lane. Average speed was 36 mph (ARRGGHH!!) and using RPN (Wh/mi) it recorded 265.25 Wh per mile. Which is laughably lower than EPA ratings. But Bjorn's test does show the mileage you'd get if you were retired and living in the mountains. The results are wildly different than reported by the press outing with the Bolt. GM threw them the keys 240 miles away from the destination in California, and everybody made it. The Bolt in this test barely exceeded 200 miles of range. This flies in the face of what the majority of owners report.
@@aerodyneservices I set my ACC at 100 mph often. It doesn't matter though, it's not going faster than the car ahead of it. Not even if it's a pickup, fire engine, or street sweeper.
No. But also shows how far Hyundai is ahead of Bolt as the choice for cheapest EV right now. Ioniq 39 kWh is coming this year - will make it close to the range of 60 kWh Bolt. Well done Hyundai.
I even expected the Ioniq to come out on top : it's significantly lighter than a Model 3 LR (28 kWh vs 80 kWh battery and smaller dimensions) and has a smaller frontal area . Just to show that the Model 3 is miles ahead of the competition
I normally get between 180-220 wh/mile in my 2017 Bolt in 30% local 70% freeway commute. Not sure why the Bolt here is so inefficient. I usually get 300 miles of range in the Bolt on a full charge.
@@JeanPierreWhite Actually if you compare the roughly calculated (Wiki width and height) frontal area of M3 and Bolt , the diff is not big at all : 2.83 m^2 vs 2.78 barely 2% . The Bolt is higher but also narrower . What really hurts the Bolt must a bad Cd value inherent in the hatch back design which creates a huge wake
@@bjornnyland It is a bit sad that Jaguar has not managed to make a very efficient competitor, after all this time. I just hope the E-tron won't be as bad as the Jag... but it is a big heavy SUV with lots of heavy luxury elements such as massaging seats, so it probably will.
@@AleksanderHoff The I-Pace has the aerodynamics of a brick. Just a look at that front. Apparently, It is also not so easy to efficiently combine front and rear motor. E-tron also has a large front, however much of its Q5 grille is covered. The luxury elements are less important than aerodynamics and drivetrain efficiency in this test.
Woow! Love these videos. I was so excited. This might be the best video yet :D. Model 3 rwd is soo efficient. But I'm actually surprised all were so efficient.
Very good video! It would have been interesting to include the average speed everyone drove in the end though. I'm sure there wasn't much variation, but with how close some of these are it might have been interesting to know.
Having had a second look at the results and thinking a bit about them here are some of the conclusions I draw: 1. Nice looking rims will cost you about 10 Wh/km (16 Wh/mi). If these nice rims are 19" or 20" does not seem to have a significant impact, so the advantage seems to be mainly the better aerodynamics of the Aero Wheels. 2. The sticky M3 Performace tires will cost you about 10 Wh/km (16 Wh/mi). 3. Lowering your car has a slight impact on efficiency (about 5 Wh/km or 8 Wh/mi for the M3 Performance). Model 3 Performance is about halve an inch lower than AWD. I strongly suspect that this is responsible for the Performance beating the AWD with the same rims. Very interesting... 4. AWD will cost you about 10 Wh/km (16 Wh/mi). The main issues are probably higher internal losses in the transmission and differentials as well as additional weight as I'm quit sure that at 120km/h 1 motor will be dormant and not drawing current.
Alex Wendt Yes we believe so. We checked and set 4 of the Tesla’s with recommended cold tire pressure before the test. We trust the others were correct as well.
Thank you, Mr Bjorn, for another exquisite video! In my opinion, the differences in Ioniq's consumption and those of all the versions of Model 3 were so small it reminds me of you and Mr Pawel's epic Kona - Tesla race... It was called a tie, right? You said that you were partially stuck in traffic while Ioniq "had" to cruise at 120km/h al the time, if I'm not wrong... It was a very nice test anyway, thank you for sharing!
You are looking like you are really enjoying the sunshine lifestyle Bjorn ? Another month or two would see the worst of the European winter over if you can find more to do over their :-) .
If the standard range ever becomes available that would be even more impressive. The long range RWD weighs about 1730kg, the mid range 1672kg and the standard is supposed to weigh 1611kg. When comparing my Model S60 to a Model S85 which weighs 109kg more, my consumption is generally 3-5% lower. For overall range: Testing the RWD With eco-tires and extra tirepressure under ideal temps and speeds vs the 100D with the same settings would be interessting! I think the Model 3 LR would win, but it would be Close.
I think if Bjørn Nyland was driving the Ioniq it would have had the best efficiency out of them all. The Model 3 RWD only won because Bjørn was driving it.
Would be interesting in winter conditions. The Ioniq is very impressive and a larger battery (38kWh?) coming ought to give it the range of the Model 3 without the price. Given the VW I.D. is coming with several large battery options and 'diesel Golf' price the Ioniq will have to be a bit cheaper than the current model almost as soon as it hits the market!
Two (because of unlimited Highways in Germany even three) times the consumption is totally possible between driving conciously frugal and and sporty and fast.
20%? On a road trip. Not!. Maybe city driving/drag racing every light. Maybe 5% on a road trip, but if one drivers 75 is another's 90 then agreed 20% ;)
Haven't watched to the end yet, but in that sun I'd expect the light coloured cars to have a slight advantage, since the A/C won't have to work as hard.
Exactly! Although the sunroof would probably absorb the sunlight no matter what colour the car is. It'd be interesting to do this test on a cloudy day...
Bjorn i think you should drive all the cars in the same style to ensure maximum accuracy. I noticed that the Model 3 you were driving basically had the best efficiency of all the Model 3 in the race and we know you are master in efficiency driving.
Would be great to do it again in Norway for winter condition and to include a 75D facelift model S and X. These should be more efficient than an old P85D.
Dash SS Not correct. Bjorn goes through all of the cars in the beginning of the video and he doesn’t mention any medium range (MR) cars. What made you think there was a MR in the test?
Good video. I wonder how much the Halbach array of Tesla motors (glued magnets arranged in a special way) contributes to it's low consumption. I believe only Tesla has this for now, maybe even only Tesla3s? (not?)
Ioniq would probably beat the Model 3 in winter when temps are +5 down to -15C due to the heat-pump. The things that impresses me most with the Model 3 is that is has tires that are far worse for range than the Ioniq. 235\45-18 vs 205\55-16 at stock, TM3-tires are not true eco-tires as they are a hybrid between performance and eco (MXM4), both the larger size and different rubber compound gives a few percent higher consumption than the Ioniq which has eco-tires with a top rating in rolling resistance. It will be interessting to see the Model 3 SR RWD vs Ioniq since SR is supposed to weigh over 100 kg less than the SR RWD.
The Ioniq did pretty well ,if you take in consideration the price difference with the Model 3! Im not impressed with the Bolt result, the aerodynamism isn't the best for such "high speed" road (like the eNiro, the aero isnt made for such road)....
I wish the Model 3 Performance model was still available with standard 18" aero wheels. I want the faster acceleration but not the decreased efficiency and poorer suspension comfort of the huge 20" wheels. Not to mention the increased noise levels and significantly higher tire bills. Btw. I am a little suprised that the Performance was more efficient than the standard LR AWD on the same wheels.
I’d like to see a more rigorous scientific test with maybe a recharge to measure kw/hrs used. Or gps tracking to get more accurate speeds etc. I realize this test was meant to be fun and easy to compute by relying on the onboard computers to supply the numbers.
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Great test! When you tested Kona and E-Niro you got 190 and 206 wh/km. Are the tests almost the same so the numbers could be compared?
Great video, I thought Ioniq would win hehe. Also - some intelligent comments on the video, very nice to read. I guess only more intelligent people are interested in watching videos of this kind though so that explains
Not surprising that lighter RWD LR was best at 75 MPH (higher than legal limit) since aero would be the same for all 3 and 3 has best aero among cars. But as speed goes down (ie, 55 MPH, typical legal limit in SoCal city freeway), I suspect Ioniq would be best and Bolt doing better than some heavier 3.
Having had a second look at the results and thinking a bit about them here are some of the conclusions I draw: 1. Nice looking rims will cost you about 10 Wh/km (16 Wh/mi). If these nice rims are 19" or 20" does not seem to have a significant impact, so the advantage seems to be mainly the better aerodynamics of the Aero Wheels. 2. The sticky M3 Performace tires will cost you about 10 Wh/km (16 Wh/mi). 3. Lowering your car has a slight impact on efficiency (about 5 Wh/km or 8 Wh/mi for the M3 Performance). Model 3 Performance is about halve an inch lower that AWD. I strongly suspect that this is responsible for the Performance beating the AWD with the same rims. Very interesting... 4. AWD will cost you about 10 Wh/km (16 Wh/mi). The main issues are probably higher internal losses in the transmission and differentials as well as additional weight as I'm quit sure that at 120km/h 1 motor will be dormant and not drawing current.
Model 3 Performance with the 18 inch wheels has the same height as the AWD. In fact, many people believe they are the same car, only difference is a flag enabling sport mode..
Great race! As always. The Ioniq will still beat you in the plane. I'm still trying to understand how the consumption was so low. Maybe the wind turned? Regen...
Of the Tesla models, do you know which ones use induction motors, and which ones use permanent magnet motors? My guess would be that induction could be more efficient at 120 KMH,(75 MPH), while the permanent magnet motors would be better in town, high torque, low RPM. I know the Chevy Bolt, and Ioniq both use Permanent magnet motors, but the Ioniq used considerably less power than the Bolt in this test. I know that Tesla started with copper rotor induction motors, than later switched to permanent magnet in some models. Another thing that makes a bigger difference than most people realize, is tire inflation pressure. I would have checked that, before going on a mileage run. Great video! My next car will be electric. I drive a Hybrid now, but with 258,000 miles on the odometer, it's getting a little grey around the whiskers. It's been a great car, and still is, but I think I'll skip on the optional combustion engine, when I get my next car.
@@hintzod That said, the permanent magnet motors did out perform the induction motors on efficiency, because, no electricity is needed to maintain a magnetic field. The losses are in the stator only, and no loss in the rotors. I think you answered my question.
The numbers do not make sense for P3D AWD with 18" wheel about the same efficiency as 3LR RWD at all. The miles displayed in the P3D AWD with 18" wheel must be calibrated with 20" wheel so that the miles used to calculate wh/mile is inflated. The wh/mile displayed in Tesla seem to be 13% less than actual according to this: teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/3342839/
Well could be around 1%. My gaming computer at idle takes 150 Watts to run so if you say 200W for autopilot and the race lasted little over 2 hours then your at roughly 1 percent of total capacity going to Autopilot. No idea what the GPU and the radar actually sucks up (cameras very little) this would actually make for a great test. If it's 1% then that is like another 2.3Wh/mi the M3 could've scored lower on the efficiency.
"short attention span" equals to 10 minutes worth of describing cars we're supposed to know already? XD P.s. those figures seems promising for the Standard Range model 3.
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So by my calculation of 70 kWh used out of 75 kWh capacity, you can do 486 km or 301 mi at HIGHWAY speeds in the rear drive? That is insanely amazing. Over 4 hours of driving time between charges. So if you do a road trip starting 8 am and stop for lunch (30-40 minutes) at noon you can do like 850 to 900 km in a day! That is seriously unbelievable.
It gets even better that that : the Sandy Munro tear down showed that the LR pack is 80 kWh with 78 useable ! The calculus is quite simple : 4416 cells x 18 Wh per cell assuming nothing more than the same energy density of a 18650
@@gerritgovaerts8443 Well I'd still stop after 4 ish hours. Bladders last less than batteries!!
@Gerrit Govaerts
I thought the cells used are 5Ah which would be 21Wh per cell?
@@ryccoh That was a rumour on internet fora that was never confirmed by Tesla . Actually Tesla announces their battery generations and they did not so at the launch of the 2170 : it is thus reasonable to assume that there was no jump in energy density between 18650 and 2170
@@ryccoh I am quite sure that idustrial marking of TM3 cells is Panasonic NCR21700A with 18 Wh of nominal energy (5 Ah * 3,6 V). Like for TMS/X "85" battery cells it was Panasonic NCR18650BE and then BM model in later production. So the nominal energy of the TM3 battery is really 80 kWh.
I love my RWD LR Model 3. It is a road trip monster.
Best EV efficiency comparo ever. Well done Bjorn and the other guys.
18:56 "Who did the James May?" 😂
Didn't get it😂
@@julianberger234 It's a reference to James May from The Grand Tour (And old school Top Gear) who's known for getting lost when driving by himself.
I am known for this sometimes. Going the right way in the wrong direction sort of thing...
LOL, and the way all 3 lost their show (top gear). Any1 interested in a collab related to cars/tech
Aka, Captain Slow
Averaging about 150 Wh/km when driving 120 km/h is pretty impressive.
Wow, impressed with the efficiency of the Model 3 RWD!! and I was playing Bjorn's old road trip playlist in the background while watching this, for some background music ah! felt like was back in Norway with Millennium Falcon and Optimus Prime.
Tesla really needs to bring back the LR RWD Model 3. They need to advertise it with the full 334 miles of EPA range too.
Im going to buy a Model 3 this summer. Im going for the Mid Range RWD unless they bring back the LR RWD!
Absolutely agree that the original true EPA range was 334 miles , and there is a document to show that : www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-epa-rating-334-miles-long-range/
They advertise the LR AWD Model 3 with 560 km of range in europe according to WLTP. They could almost get 600 km for the LR version.
They wont because you will next see the SR RWD with massive range.
@@Espiritiv And it won't be 220 miles I suspect ...
Thank you to everyone who participated!
WOW that Model 3 RWD is Great!! with an efficiency of 144 wh/km, you are abel to drive 7km/1kwh --> 504km/72kwh on one charge!
75000/144 = 521
Thats not completely true, the battery doesnt make it available to use the full 75kwh.
Awesome, Bjorn! I didn't realize you were so close behind us when we left. If I knew you were there, I might not have got off at Gorman. I needed a Tesla pace car! :-)
Amazing test-drive challenge. It would be more better for the Model 3,, if there is a 3 MidR RWD on the scene too. 🖖🏻
It might have eked out a win
I knew it! ⚡
I've got Tesla Model 3 LR RWD - super efficient even cruising with 75 mi/h! The 72°F helped to achieve 13 miles on top of the 310 mi! 😎
Thank you for that race, Bjorn!
Impressive efficiency of the Model 3 RWD!
I think I'm most impressed with the Ioniq, cheaper cost and very good range and efficiency. Considering you cant get the RWD Model 3 anymore that means the most efficient is the Ioniq.
@@practicalguy973 The Ioniq should be way lighter due to smaller batteries in addition to it's smaller size. To me it's not as impressive anymore because of this. :)
Thanks for the video Bjorn, very interesting and informative. Please find a Model 3 MR so we can see how it compares to the rest.
Outstanding test! For those watching that are not familiar with the units used, here's the equivalent mpg for the winner. 232 wh/mile is equivalent to 145.26 mpg! Awesome mileage, especially with the AC on and driving so fast!!!
Nice!!! That Chevy Bolt has the Chevy Cruze Eco rims! I used to have a Cruze Eco...those are super light and efficient wheels. Good choice by that owner!
Didn't help it much - or would it have been even worse with the standard rims?
@@FFVoyager The efficiency is about the same as stock at steady state driving. They primarily help with acceleration and handling.
Great video! Timely too because I am selling my RWD 2018 Model 3 (Pearl White w/Enhanced Autopilot) and made the claim in my ad that it's the most efficient Tesla ever made. Now I have evidence to support my claim :). Thanks Bjørn!
IMO: The test was not typical of California driving that most EV drivers encounter. It is difficult to get higher than 45 mph average speeds in populated areas, you go fast, then stop, then fast, then stop on the freeways. I tried to do a mileage test on Saturday with the Jaguar I-Pace, but never got a chance to hit 75mph at any time unless I wanted to drive in the emergency lane. Average speed was 36 mph (ARRGGHH!!) and using RPN (Wh/mi) it recorded 265.25 Wh per mile. Which is laughably lower than EPA ratings. But Bjorn's test does show the mileage you'd get if you were retired and living in the mountains. The results are wildly different than reported by the press outing with the Bolt. GM threw them the keys 240 miles away from the destination in California, and everybody made it. The Bolt in this test barely exceeded 200 miles of range. This flies in the face of what the majority of owners report.
@@aerodyneservices I set my ACC at 100 mph often. It doesn't matter though, it's not going faster than the car ahead of it. Not even if it's a pickup, fire engine, or street sweeper.
Unfall! Thank you Björn, a really surprising and interesting test.
This was the best EV video I've seen in some time. Just show's even the least efficient EV rocks
Model 3 RWD beat the Ioniq. We need that in Europe. You hear that Tesla?
@@klokoloko2114 the Tesla model 3 that beat the Ioniq was the mid-range, 62kWh.
@@klokoloko2114 I stand corrected.
I wonder if the results would've been different had the Ioniq been allowed to coast? The Ioniq is the coasting king!
Nice test between does Ev:)
Looking forward to see the Base Model 3 (35000 Dollar) on your amazing & interesting Channel🙏🏼😇👍
Keep up the great work.
Biggest surprise here, the Bolt is less efficient than an AWD Performance Model 3 with 20s. Anyone else see that coming?
No. But also shows how far Hyundai is ahead of Bolt as the choice for cheapest EV right now. Ioniq 39 kWh is coming this year - will make it close to the range of 60 kWh Bolt. Well done Hyundai.
I even expected the Ioniq to come out on top : it's significantly lighter than a Model 3 LR (28 kWh vs 80 kWh battery and smaller dimensions) and has a smaller frontal area . Just to show that the Model 3 is miles ahead of the competition
I normally get between 180-220 wh/mile in my 2017 Bolt in 30% local 70% freeway commute. Not sure why the Bolt here is so inefficient. I usually get 300 miles of range in the Bolt on a full charge.
@@JeanPierreWhite Actually if you compare the roughly calculated (Wiki width and height) frontal area of M3 and Bolt , the diff is not big at all : 2.83 m^2 vs 2.78 barely 2% . The Bolt is higher but also narrower . What really hurts the Bolt must a bad Cd value inherent in the hatch back design which creates a huge wake
Remember: The Bolt/Ampera-e got a cw of 0,32 and the M3 0,23. This means a ~47% higher air resistance than M3!
Hey, it's Alex Venz! Two of my favorite Tesla UA-camrs on the same video!
I-Pace would be like 350-400 Wh/mi in this test 😄
More like 450 Wh/mi.
@@bjornnyland It is a bit sad that Jaguar has not managed to make a very efficient competitor, after all this time. I just hope the E-tron won't be as bad as the Jag... but it is a big heavy SUV with lots of heavy luxury elements such as massaging seats, so it probably will.
@@AleksanderHoff The I-Pace has the aerodynamics of a brick. Just a look at that front. Apparently, It is also not so easy to efficiently combine front and rear motor. E-tron also has a large front, however much of its Q5 grille is covered. The luxury elements are less important than aerodynamics and drivetrain efficiency in this test.
Woow! Love these videos. I was so excited. This might be the best video yet :D. Model 3 rwd is soo efficient. But I'm actually surprised all were so efficient.
Great job guys. I love these large comparison tests.
Very good video! It would have been interesting to include the average speed everyone drove in the end though.
I'm sure there wasn't much variation, but with how close some of these are it might have been interesting to know.
Also would've like to see the efficiencies broken up going uphill and downhill.
Having had a second look at the results and thinking a bit about them here are some of the conclusions I draw:
1. Nice looking rims will cost you about 10 Wh/km (16 Wh/mi). If these nice rims are 19" or 20" does not seem to have a significant impact, so the advantage seems to be mainly the better aerodynamics of the Aero Wheels.
2. The sticky M3 Performace tires will cost you about 10 Wh/km (16 Wh/mi).
3. Lowering your car has a slight impact on efficiency (about 5 Wh/km or 8 Wh/mi for the M3 Performance). Model 3 Performance is about halve an inch lower than AWD. I strongly suspect that this is responsible for the Performance beating the AWD with the same rims. Very interesting...
4. AWD will cost you about 10 Wh/km (16 Wh/mi). The main issues are probably higher internal losses in the transmission and differentials as well as additional weight as I'm quit sure that at 120km/h 1 motor will be dormant and not drawing current.
Hei, at 1000m height, the air is about 10% less dense. That means 10% less energy lost to air drag. Always prefer to drive above 1000m.
Nice done, arranging this road trip and comparesion. You should do the math and calculate the maximum range of each car with their rating.
12:19 Unfall!!! Wir brauchen die Autobahnpolizei! :D
Ja, der Björn gefällt mir irgendwie... I like Björn somehow
Great, fun test, Bjørn!
Nice tests! It also looks like the Hub Caps bring over 5% efficiency in this test!
That was a good test. Thank you, Bjørn.
It would be also nice to see how Model 3 Standard Range plus would do.
Ioniq 28kwh is such an amazing car.
Bjorn can you please link the other UA-cam channels in the description? Thank you for making science happen!
What about the tire pressure? Everybody on factory setting?
Alex Wendt Yes we believe so. We checked and set 4 of the Tesla’s with recommended cold tire pressure before the test. We trust the others were correct as well.
Yup, my Bolt EV was 38-39 psi cold according to door placard as well.
Thank you, Mr Bjorn, for another exquisite video! In my opinion, the differences in Ioniq's consumption and those of all the versions of Model 3 were so small it reminds me of you and Mr Pawel's epic Kona - Tesla race... It was called a tie, right? You said that you were partially stuck in traffic while Ioniq "had" to cruise at 120km/h al the time, if I'm not wrong... It was a very nice test anyway, thank you for sharing!
I love this video. You should do more of these type. Fun stuf.
Awesome test! And now the Midrange RWD ;-)
You are looking like you are really enjoying the sunshine lifestyle Bjorn ? Another month or two would see the worst of the European winter over if you can find more to do over their :-) .
Rear wheel drive mid range...that should beat them all. ..maybe not in distance but in consumption.
If the standard range ever becomes available that would be even more impressive. The long range RWD weighs about 1730kg, the mid range 1672kg and the standard is supposed to weigh 1611kg. When comparing my Model S60 to a Model S85 which weighs 109kg more, my consumption is generally 3-5% lower. For overall range: Testing the RWD With eco-tires and extra tirepressure under ideal temps and speeds vs the 100D with the same settings would be interessting! I think the Model 3 LR would win, but it would be Close.
I think if Bjørn Nyland
was driving the Ioniq it would have had the best efficiency out of them all. The Model 3 RWD only won because Bjørn was driving it.
I was thinking the same thing. He has more experience than anyone. It might make the difference.
I demand a retest in Norway! 😉
Would be interesting in winter conditions.
The Ioniq is very impressive and a larger battery (38kWh?) coming ought to give it the range of the Model 3 without the price.
Given the VW I.D. is coming with several large battery options and 'diesel Golf' price the Ioniq will have to be a bit cheaper than the current model almost as soon as it hits the market!
@@FFVoyager 38 kWh is not even close to 334 miles range , 170 miles at most
Awesome. Thanks guys for the time/effort (Thumbs up).
Would you agree that there can be a 20% + or - for "driver/driving differences"?
And tire pressure
Two (because of unlimited Highways in Germany even three) times the consumption is totally possible between driving conciously frugal and and sporty and fast.
20%? On a road trip. Not!. Maybe city driving/drag racing every light. Maybe 5% on a road trip, but if one drivers 75 is another's 90 then agreed 20% ;)
20% would be a winter (snow) penalty or seriously aggressive driving.
Haven't watched to the end yet, but in that sun I'd expect the light coloured cars to have a slight advantage, since the A/C won't have to work as hard.
Then it was unfair that the black car won.
Exactly! Although the sunroof would probably absorb the sunlight no matter what colour the car is. It'd be interesting to do this test on a cloudy day...
Result table for future reference: 20:20
Would be nice to post the spreadsheet somewhere and add various tests to it for future reference.
Bjorn i think you should drive all the cars in the same style to ensure maximum accuracy. I noticed that the Model 3 you were driving basically had the best efficiency of all the Model 3 in the race and we know you are master in efficiency driving.
Would be great to do it again in Norway for winter condition and to include a 75D facelift model S and X. These should be more efficient than an old P85D.
No surprise. LR RWD is the king of the kings in terms of efficiency!
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Great video. Bummer no mid range model 3 in the test.
Dash SS Not correct. Bjorn goes through all of the cars in the beginning of the video and he doesn’t mention any medium range (MR) cars. What made you think there was a MR in the test?
Good video. I wonder how much the Halbach array of Tesla motors (glued magnets arranged in a special way) contributes to it's low consumption. I believe only Tesla has this for now, maybe even only Tesla3s? (not?)
Outstanding effort!
Ioniq would probably beat the Model 3 in winter when temps are +5 down to -15C due to the heat-pump. The things that impresses me most with the Model 3 is that is has tires that are far worse for range than the Ioniq. 235\45-18 vs 205\55-16 at stock, TM3-tires are not true eco-tires as they are a hybrid between performance and eco (MXM4), both the larger size and different rubber compound gives a few percent higher consumption than the Ioniq which has eco-tires with a top rating in rolling resistance. It will be interessting to see the Model 3 SR RWD vs Ioniq since SR is supposed to weigh over 100 kg less than the SR RWD.
Great test. Just wanted to know which Ionic was being driven Mark 1 or 2?
The Ioniq did pretty well ,if you take in consideration the price difference with the Model 3!
Im not impressed with the Bolt result, the aerodynamism isn't the best for such "high speed" road (like the eNiro, the aero isnt made for such road)....
I wish the Model 3 Performance model was still available with standard 18" aero wheels. I want the faster acceleration but not the decreased efficiency and poorer suspension comfort of the huge 20" wheels. Not to mention the increased noise levels and significantly higher tire bills. Btw. I am a little suprised that the Performance was more efficient than the standard LR AWD on the same wheels.
Bjorning 2019 - American Edition complete
---- M3 RWD 18" Aero
+2.6%---Hyundai Ioniq
+5.1% --M3P AWD 18's Aero
+6.0%---M3 RWD 19's
+9.9%---M3 AWD 18's Aero
+19.9%-M3P AWD 20's
+23.7%-Chevy Bolt
+38.3%-MS P85+ 21's
I’d like to see a more rigorous scientific test with maybe a recharge to measure kw/hrs used. Or gps tracking to get more accurate speeds etc. I realize this test was meant to be fun and easy to compute by relying on the onboard computers to supply the numbers.
Great test! When you tested Kona and E-Niro you got 190 and 206 wh/km. Are the tests almost the same so the numbers could be compared?
Great video, I thought Ioniq would win hehe. Also - some intelligent comments on the video, very nice to read. I guess only more intelligent people are interested in watching videos of this kind though so that explains
KWh was down maybe cause u compared Miles to Km?, XD ...jus kiddin. Damn fine efficiency from the baby Tesla =D
Not surprising that lighter RWD LR was best at 75 MPH (higher than legal limit) since aero would be the same for all 3 and 3 has best aero among cars. But as speed goes down (ie, 55 MPH, typical legal limit in SoCal city freeway), I suspect Ioniq would be best and Bolt doing better than some heavier 3.
@@dojohansen123 Mass is irrelevant at constant speed AND constant altitude. As soon as you have to climb the mass affects, and affects a lot!
@@dojohansen123 mass (rolling resistance ) is more than 33% of total drag at 120 km/h , very significant
@@neuromancerES Also, starts and stops. Because my Bolt EV was diverted onto the wrong path, I had two extra freeway on ramp accelerations.
@Tony Gaillard Test was in SoCal, not in France. For France test, different set of cars should be tested such as Zoe and no Bolt.
@Tony Gaillard Then why bring up France? More relevant is SoCal speed, which the test was faster than the legal limit.
I knew it, that's why I bought my Model 3 long range rW 18" without ever driving in one. Or was it the price? I'm still scratching my head.
very interesting Video! Bjorn your are a funny guy in a good way, keep it up!
Cool test!
thank you all.
Having had a second look at the results and thinking a bit about them here are some of the conclusions I draw:
1. Nice looking rims will cost you about 10 Wh/km (16 Wh/mi). If these nice rims are 19" or 20" does not seem to have a significant impact, so the advantage seems to be mainly the better aerodynamics of the Aero Wheels.
2. The sticky M3 Performace tires will cost you about 10 Wh/km (16 Wh/mi).
3. Lowering your car has a slight impact on efficiency (about 5 Wh/km or 8 Wh/mi for the M3 Performance). Model 3 Performance is about halve an inch lower that AWD. I strongly suspect that this is responsible for the Performance beating the AWD with the same rims. Very interesting...
4. AWD will cost you about 10 Wh/km (16 Wh/mi). The main issues are probably higher internal losses in the transmission and differentials as well as additional weight as I'm quit sure that at 120km/h 1 motor will be dormant and not drawing current.
Model 3 Performance with the 18 inch wheels has the same height as the AWD. In fact, many people believe they are the same car, only difference is a flag enabling sport mode..
Great race! As always. The Ioniq will still beat you in the plane. I'm still trying to understand how the consumption was so low. Maybe the wind turned? Regen...
it will be interesting to see efficiency on light weight forged alloy wheels
cool Test. maybe consider a Model X, e-Tron, EQC comparison.
Of the Tesla models, do you know which ones use induction motors, and which ones use permanent magnet motors? My guess would be that induction could be more efficient at 120 KMH,(75 MPH), while the permanent magnet motors would be better in town, high torque, low RPM. I know the Chevy Bolt, and Ioniq both use Permanent magnet motors, but the Ioniq used considerably less power than the Bolt in this test. I know that Tesla started with copper rotor induction motors, than later switched to permanent magnet in some models. Another thing that makes a bigger difference than most people realize, is tire inflation pressure. I would have checked that, before going on a mileage run. Great video! My next car will be electric. I drive a Hybrid now, but with 258,000 miles on the odometer, it's getting a little grey around the whiskers. It's been a great car, and still is, but I think I'll skip on the optional combustion engine, when I get my next car.
Model 3 cars all use permanent magnet for the rear motor. AWD And Performance cars have front motors that are induction.
@@hintzod That said, the permanent magnet motors did out perform the induction motors on efficiency, because, no electricity is needed to maintain a magnetic field. The losses are in the stator only, and no loss in the rotors. I think you answered my question.
What about Model 3 standard range? Is it lighter, is it even more efficient?
Are seats the same between Model 3 Performance and non-Performance AWD?
Great video! Will you do a review of the Chevy bolt?
He did one a while back.
Very interesting! I wonder how well the Leaf 40kwh would have made?!!
That’s about 1,69 l/100km or 139 mpg equivalent in gas/petrol for the Model 3 LR.
The numbers do not make sense for P3D AWD with 18" wheel about the same efficiency as 3LR RWD at all. The miles displayed in the P3D AWD with 18" wheel must be calibrated with 20" wheel so that the miles used to calculate wh/mile is inflated. The wh/mile displayed in Tesla seem to be 13% less than actual according to this: teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/3342839/
18:56 "Who did the James May"? LOL
Performance is related only in acceleration, in a travel at a constant speed you don't notice the difference
ECO Race, "Hurry up and slow down."
Please include a short range Tesla as well, preferably an AWD and RWD too. Seems like that the couple of 100kgs of battery pack matters a lot.
There are no short range Model 3's on the market yet.
@@LarsPallesen Thanks, I didn't know that
I'd be curious also about how efficient is the Prius Prime.
How did the P3D beat the 3D in Consumption, both with 18’s?
P3D must be using 20" wheel to calculate the distance so that inflated the number of miles by at least 11%.
How much power do the autopilot features use?
Very little compared to driving
Well could be around 1%. My gaming computer at idle takes 150 Watts to run so if you say 200W for autopilot and the race lasted little over 2 hours then your at roughly 1 percent of total capacity going to Autopilot. No idea what the GPU and the radar actually sucks up (cameras very little) this would actually make for a great test. If it's 1% then that is like another 2.3Wh/mi the M3 could've scored lower on the efficiency.
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@@bjornnyland thanks!
Brilliant!
Very good👍🏻
Good shit
No snow at Frazier Park
18:36 or 20:20 final stats
Why is the Model 3 LR AWD P more efficient than the LR AWD non-P ? any idea ?
margin of error of 5% , conditions are not 100% equal
"short attention span" equals to 10 minutes worth of describing cars we're supposed to know already? XD
P.s. those figures seems promising for the Standard Range model 3.
Maybe the RWD cars will come back when they release the 35K version?
If you drive behind the lorry truck it could be more energy efficient probably?
Oh sheeeet Ioniq rules 😎
5:50 I call IT the bolt guy! lol
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Good entertainment to be taken with a large pinch of salt.
Model 3 First. İoniq Second
atnfn Yeap. İoniq is lighter and Model 3 have a good engineering
@@dojohansen123İ think Model 3 earned 40.000$ with Premium pack + long range and İoniq Earned 25.000$. Both car still expensive