REA #24 | Reduce Deceleration Popping | Royal Enfield Classic 500 Race Dynamics Powertronic & R-Tune
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2019
- In this episode we learn how to use the Race Dynamics R-Tune Program and Powertronic piggy back ECU to remap my current map to reduce or stop the deceleration popping on my modified Royal Enfield Classic 500. This will work on Power Commander 5 or PCV and other piggy back ECU units and all fuel injected bikes running free flowing filters and exhausts.
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I'm one who doesn't mind hearing a pop occasionally but that really did just about eliminate it all. Look at you getting all high tech gadgety stuff lol (straight over my head), thanks m8 & ride safe : ) 👍☕
Lol this is a cool mix of tech and retro this bike, if it had like 40-45hp it would be the ultimate bike! 😀 Enjoy your Milo!!
Sounds pretty good! Definitely easier to do than I would've thought.
Yeah me to, 5 minutes work and sorted! Cheers
Hey man great video. This is exactly what I was looking for to get rid of the decel pop. Thanks 👍
Glad it helped. Worked on my bike a1!
Everything is high tech these days. Well done mate.
Thanks, I love having the tech on a retro bike it's cool!
Nicely explained, well demonstrated and very useful to know, thank you! :-)
Thanks mate, hope it helped!
Amazing vid as always! Just a tip, get the idle slightly low and you'll find a sweet equilibrium spot where every vibe just evens out for a perfect symphonic beat!
Cheers I'll look at it! In the cold environment I live in it needs to be above 1000rpm in winter I may be able to drop it down below during summer!
@@iRidetas I understand, but do at least try! I'm sure you'll be completely in love with how smooth it idles!
Will do! Thanks 😀
Cool but sounds amazing as always ❤️❤️❤️😍
Thanks mate, I'm pretty happy with how it runs and sounds! 😀
I put a limited restriction exhaust on "Mr Kipling" my first RE 500C It popped and banged a lot! Kind of fun, kind of embarrassing.
Yeah i felt the same so was happy to reduce it bit! 😀
When you added that Hitchcock 19" front sprocket - did you retune the engine at all? Talking to Paul Henshaw in England who recommended people do so.
It came with the addition of the powertronic, and ive tried a few maps and alteted one that i use now!
Hail fellow common wealther from the central interior of British Columbia.I love your series. Its absolutely brillant. I missed a bit from one of your vlogs, and I'm curious why you changed from K n N filter to the pod. I recently purchased a 2015 RE classic 500 in Desert Storm with 2,346 km on it. I haven't been able to test it out yet as we are still in late winter here but I have some planned mods guided by your series. I've a sourced a reasonably priced pea shooter free flow exhaust in black. I'll be putting a new paper filter and NGK plugs on it first. Then depending on its response, I'll likely get the Power Tronix ECU. Your instructions are comprehensive. Please keep up the good work it's greatly appreciated. I'm used older Japanese bikes inline 4's, twins etc. The RE off the get go seems way more basic and easy to work on. To my knowledge, my RE is the only one in our city. Maybe that'll change once I get it out and about. I'm also lucky as I have some Indo-Canadian friends who owned RE's back in India, who can give me additional input. Cheers
Thanks, more air in more air out more faster! Cheers! Enjoy your bike
@@iRidetas I've had the K n N in trucks before with good success. I wasn't sure how much better the K n N would be to paper stock. I've had pods before on carb bikes and had a lot of problems with jetting etc. I'll likely hold off for a bit and see how it goes stock for now and add my mods latter. Been my dream bike for 20 years now and I finally got my hands on one, so I'm pretty happy either way lol
I would not do pod on the throttle body without a powertronic or power commander it would just run far to lean. K&N is imo better than the stock filter.
@@iRidetas Thanks for the tip. My original plan was to use the K n N, the free flow exhaust, and the power tronix right off the boot. I'll stick to that plan. Cheers
Also iRidetas, how do you find the pod filters in the rain? I had pods on a CB650 once and it was a bit dodgy. Even oiled. Has it ever been an issue for you on Doug?
Great. I planned map this same solution, but in order to alter engine break, make it softer, also soften the instant off-throttle deaceleration.
Nice to find your video, do you think it will work? also ignition?
Thanks!
EFI engines usually have a fuel cut off when engine breaking so not sure you are going to get the results you are after there mate. Engine breaking depends on several things but the RE is not a snatchy bike compared to others I've owned. The one issue it can have is if you snatch the throttle on and off to hard it can buck a bit. Just have to learn to roll on and off the throttle smoothly.
how to the powertronic works on close loop system ?
Who would have thought, old fashioned RE technology with 2020 FI technology. Old carburetor guys will be turning in their graves.
Lol for sure but it's a fun bike to work on cause of the combo of retro looks and fuel injection I love it for that!
They went EFI on the 500cc in 09 to purely adhere to Euro 3 standards. These days the newer models have better EFI to adhere to Euro 4 and I think 5.
There’s talk now of discontinuing the 500 single for export, as the only way to adhere to the newer standards is to go water cooled for a more stable operating temperature that comes with liquid cooling. Allowing the engine to operate with more consistent fuel metering.
This is also why the new BS6 Himalayan has two CAT converters. Near the engine on the header pipe is the new addition.
Hi, new subscriber here, UK based Kiwi. Anyhow, is it safe to assume there is no air injection system on this bike? If there is you should disable it to reduce over-run popping. Same goes for your 865 Triumph ether carbed or EFI.
The 865cc is very stock as far as it goes so i wont be putting on on it as im not planing on moding it as such, but the enfield does have AIS and it can be deleted but its on the newer Euro 4 bikes and mines a Euro 3! Cheers and welcome aboard!
How to increase pop and bang on deceleration....plz make a video on that
Sorry mate I'm not interested in riding on a poorly tuned bike that runs lean!
Could you help me tuning up my Powertronics ECU, Am running a performance camshaft kit hence.
Remotely, probably not sorry!
woaw that interresting !!
Yup, I was surprised how well it worked too!
@@iRidetas i just got a 500 cc efi, compares to the 1998 350cc that i own, i found that the 500 cc had strong deceleration. re acceleration after turning back the throttle to zero is brutal compares to the smoothness of the carburetor. i think that what you have done would probably bring much more confort in the riding (appart from reducing the popping)
Yes, any EFI seems to be more choppy than carb but you get the flexibility of remapping etc with efi.
Am running a larger throttle body, any tips to keep her running? Am a bit scared to play around so researching.
More air more fuel!
@@iRidetas haha, that's what I had in mind. Ignition timing?
Sounds like you've got the decel popping thing licked. Modern bikes built for Euro-4 are often too lean.
Could you perhaps pull a spark plug out after an hour on the new map and show us up close and nice and slow how it looks? Cheers in advance.
I've just installed a PowerTRONIC piggy-back ECU on my 2019 C5 two days ago. The install went OK, but we're still ironing out some basic problems with stock vs replacement relays handling side-stand safety cut-outs, and engine check lights illuminating.
I have to say the guys at PowerTRONIC have been amazing with their support. They are falling over themselves to help out. I'm hoping we'll have this problem sorted out in a day or two. Will let you know how it turns out.
Looking forward to hearing it. What happens if you put the stock relays back in I have heard some have got it running with them! I can yes but I'll have to work out how I'll make it into a video! Cheers good luck with your powertronic!
@@iRidetas Hi there, it's a 2019 C5 sold in Australia just a few months ago. Yes after installing the PowerTronic unit the bike started OK, but would stall when I engaged a gear. Swapped over replacement relays and same problem. I removed supplied relays and reinstalled stock relays and now could both start and engage gear. But, now the engine light is on. As I said, the guys at PowerTronic are all over it, and I'm sure we'll sort out the problem soon. Their support has been first class.
@@paulg9314 I had the same problem and the guys at powertronics sent me new relays out and it fixed the problem👍
@@scooobi34 I spoke with the guys at Powertronics to discuss the relay problem. The bike runs fine with the stock relays, but still cuts out in gear with the replacement relays (both of them). The engineers at Powertronics reckon I should just use the stock relays and be done with it. They also recommended keeping the stock coupler handy just in case. Overall I'm very happy with the Powertronics ECU. The 19 tooth sprocket stole a little from the low end, but the piggy-back ECU has now put that back. With a nice rich fuelling the engine is now very smooth and willing, even at highway speeds.
@@paulg9314 I am having some difficulties, i have the exact same make as your bike(Single spark), i have the K & N and free flow exhaust fitted, i experience slight jerk when i accelerate sometimes as if it has been cut off for a split second, also when i pulled the plug out to check it didn't look good as it was pitch black, also did you bypass the lambda(O2) sensor when u installed and could you please share what map you are using ...thanks in advance
Would adding a very small amount (2points) of fuel increase popping ??
Possibly. By adding a lot you are trying to cool it to reduce the popping
iRidetas
I’m trying increase decel pop, I actually like the sound 😊any suggestions on how to increase it ?
Bet Dug feels like he's had a Tripple bypass.
it made quite a difference and future proofs the next lot of mods!
Can we reduce Idling rpm from 1300 to 750 by this setup Plz ( I have Royal Enfield Standard 350 BS6 with ECU and I hate it's Idling it's about 1300rpm)
Just adjust the idle using thd idle adjust screw
@@iRidetas the throttle body didn't have any kind of idling control screw
Ah sorry i just re read your post. I dont have any experience with 350 BS6 sorry
You tried it coming back down the mountain?
There is the test ride in the video, that road is a good test for most things!
Have you experienced bogging during wide open throttle?
Nope, the maps tend to help that a lot. The bike doesnt like snapping the throttle wide open to quickly. Also calibrate your throttle with rtune on your powertronic
@@iRidetas already did calibration. but still having issues when reaching 9600 rpm like bogging or losing power.
How can I increase the pop on decel
Run it lean on throttle position 0%
Hi, I have a doubt. Won’t increasing injection duty at that region reduces engine braking. Isn’t that dangerous while going downhill ?
Mate, I think youre on the wrong track! Engine breaking its at its greatest in higher rpm as it transfers more torque through the gearbox etc. This is at 0% throttle and insignificant increases in fueling.
@@iRidetas Thank you for the quick reply. I never expected such a fast response. What I was trying to say is, suppose the bike is rolling down a hill. The throttle input is 0%, but the rpm will be let's say above 2000 rpm. But the fuel is still being squirted, won't that have any effect? I presume there will be spark from the spark plugs at 0% rpm. Won't that sustain combustion, which reduces engine braking ?
That will be like promoting the rolling.
I can't say it would it would be imo in an exaggerated way its more like a carby running a larger sized pilot jet and running richer, allowing it to warm-up quicker, run better an not pop, it is not so significant to be so rich as to flood, foul plugs, cause run on or pump so much unburned fuel it creates fumy emmisions. This injects a very small amount more fuel to richen the mixture to prevent the lean out and the pops. I think in short in what you are saying the bike will not run better it will run worse and spew unburned fuel not causing run on.
@@iRidetas got it. Thank you. I have a classic 500 from last 8 years. I was confused whether to buy the piggy back or not. I finally bit the bullet(pun intended)and ordered powertronic piggy back after watching your video. I run a red rooster free flow exhaust. I always felt my engine ran lean. This should clear that issue. Also I feel there too much carbon whenever I do an oil change. Is it normal ? I hope you shed some light on this as well. Cheers!
yo mate what if you wanted to make the bike pop ? should i decrees the value by -5 or ? any suggestions
Life isnt that simple mate be careful as decreasing means running leaner!
I actually like the sound of pops and your saying that it might cause harm to my bike well i think its better off that i dont blow up my bike thanks for the suggestion mate normally people(not all but some) don't give fuck on any ones opinion ! I appreciate you for taking time and replying on my comment . Cheers 😁
Just remove the senser wire near your start of bend pipe and put a screw on it. Popping will stop
Yeah, no! Lamda sensor is already by passed with a wiring harness!!
Does that work good with a free flow exhaust mod and no Power Tronix ECU?
@@Abhishekzaxcy thanks for the link. Unfortunately its application is for the RE Bullet's only and not the classics. I'll check out more of those links from those guys though