Confronting a Progressive Christian on EVERY Controversial Topic EVER
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Tim is a friend, keep it respectful 🤝: Watch the Full Podcast Here www.patreon.com/posts/ruslan-new-on-88494714?Link&
Keep it respectful l, just like Tim is respectful whenever he talks about white Christians on twitter
him making peace with if he's going to hell is spooky!
Praying for you both, and your listeners. Numbers 6:24-26 Mathew 6:33 Galatians 5:16-26
It's longer?!
Friendship with the world? Love The Truth!
Every sinner should be allowed to participate in the church, but the church (body of Christ) should not be forced to participate in the sin.
@@dansaber5853except that’s not what the scriptures say. The Bible is clear God made us as man and woman and not anything else. There is no exception.
@@dansaber5853Oh so you don’t even believe in the Bible and you’re talking about God and how Christians should act? Yeah nah. You don’t get a say on Christian doctrine if you don’t even respect scripture nor any church.
@@dansaber5853 sorry but reality ties back to God who wrote the Bible through men. Let’s start with a foundation in truth before making totally arbitrary claims.
43:41 As charitably as I can I need to point out, that Tim is either willfully ignorant, or purposefully deceived about Christ, His nature, or the authority His Word, in context has over our lives.
I am going to be very interested to see his response to how Christ, judge of the living and the dead, addresses " being too inclusive" ot " loving my neighbor too much". He needs our prayers desperately and we should all take notes on the patience and the steel Ruslan brings to the table in addressing some of this tragic nonsense.
@@dansaber5853 We are all sinners and fall short of God's expectations of perfection.
That doesn't mean we should be proud of our sinful nature in living out our sinful nature.
It doesn't matter if the Church has shifted. The Gospel has Not changed.
Bingo! 💯👏👏👏
Thats what im sayin. I dont follow beleif. I follow God...infact the only reason i call myself a chrstan is because thats how you identify followers of Christ. Not to identify myself with the reI igon.
100% just the same as the political argument that “well most people are for “insert thing here”. When it clearly is in opposition to the constitution. It doesn’t matter.
Exactly, we are not to be “of this world”..we are to the follow the scripture. We knew there was to be a big “falling away” in the End Times in the church community…it is as prophesied to happen & it has & continues to happen severely since the 60s.
Amen
Why is this even a debate? Truth is there is zero way to back up homosexuality with scripture. If you are going to be a believing Christian, you will live by the words of scripture. If you disagree with the words of scripture and want to do your own thing, then you are not a Christian. There is no gray area.
Of course there is grey area. You can back up anything with scripture. But there are more than a few examples of non normative heterosexuality. There’s definitely room to discuss how people who have same sex attraction fit into the church.
Thank you is like "saying i'm going my way but i'm with you guys"
Amen
Exactly…why is this a debate. I’m disappointed that Ruslan is even giving this guy a platform. “Casting pearls before swine”, is what I would call it.
@@margaretyoshikawa1234Even Sean McDowell had debates on his YT Channel as well this similar fashion
Notice who’s quoting scripture and who’s quoting people and society and history and feelings… just had to throw it out there. Keep it up Brother Ruslan. Praying for this guy
He made up his own Jesus.
Study to show thyself approved, right, so you are able to defend what you believe.
Go ahead and Google when inerrancy, literalism and infallibility of the scriptures became a thing. Hint: it's recent
This
@@formerfundienowfree4235 Can you give me the source so i can show others
I’m new to Christianity and was only baptized a few weeks ago. I had been reading the Bible, studying a bit on my own and took an interest in apologetics before I started going to church and studying with a pastor. I say that because maybe I’m not hearing things right.
What makes me nervous about these new age churches, affirming churches or whatever they’re called, is the language that the leaders use. No matter how hard they try, it sounds like they’re saying, “God didn’t account for the changes in society as time progresses and so we’re going to tweak the rules to correct His shortsightedness.”
I don’t know if that’s how they mean it but that’s how it sounds to me.
That's great insight and I think you are right on!
Check out Charis Bible College and Andrew Wommack for great biblical resources to dive into. Blessings to you!
Yeah that's a pretty good explanation of it. It's the original sin, we assume we know better than God and put ourselves in His place.
@@rebeccamatthias4749 Andrew Womack and charis bible college is word of faith prosperity teaching and false. Please stay away from them.
I think you are spot on.
I’m a new Christian, but I have to admit hearing these kinds of conversations sounds really… off putting…But I guess that’s what the world wants me to think. I just try to read my Bible, trust in Jesus, and let all the pieces fall into place as I go. Pray for me if you can y’all!
Forget what the world thinks or wants. Steady the course. Keep your eyes on Jesus. He has a plan for you. Always seek Him first.
These kinds of conversations are super tough but it can be fruitful. We just can't lose sight of what Jesus did for us and if you put your complete faith that He died to pay for your sins, God will give us mercy and grant us eternal life... and if you truly believe that, you will try to keep His commandments to the best of your ability. The Holy Spirit will convict you if you've truly surrendered yourself to Him, He will guide you through the narrow path. I think we can be genuinely convinced of something and be wrong about it and still receive God's grace... but you also need to be open to being wrong and humble yourself. You have accept God's will, even if it makes you uncomfortable. You have to ask yourself... are you holding these positions because YOU want it to be true or because you truly believe this is the will of God.
I'm very happy for you coming to the faith! ❤ Over time, you become more comfortable with conversations like this. Just keep your focus on Jesus 😊
Praying for you! It’s completeley normal to go through many different stages, emotions, questions, & changes when believing in Jesus Christ & experiencing spiritual growth. Getting to know Him & loving Jesus stirs up so many feelings.
Also pray for protection & discernment bc you will get spiritually attacked by darkness &/or by the sins of the world, over time things you used to enjoy you won’t anymore, if it’s not how the Lord wants you to live.
Don’t be alarmed though, bc as much as you’ll experience very real spiritual attacks, you’ll also experience the BEST, greatest feelings you’ve ever felt in your life of LOVE, PEACE, JOY, & COMFORT …the list goes on. But those are the most powerful, & forever changing. ❤
So, as much as it’s uncomfortable to go through this change, maybe off putting at first, over time-as the Lord decides to reveal himself to you more & more, everything will just become clear, your perspective shifts & bc of Him you’re just a better you, & in all the important things that actually matter.
Anyways! I didn’t mean to write a novel🤦🏼♀️😂 I haven’t even finished listening to the video but I felt compelled to reply:) I’m soo glad for you that you’ve accepted Jesus Christ! Go at your own pace & keep an open mind & open heart🙏🏼🫶🏻💜✝️ wish you the best! God Bless
If you think all Christians are supposed to agree on this adjust those expectations. And always be willing to listen to the opposing side truth isn’t afraid of investigation.
Stay strong and lean on the Lord out God for guidance and understand, be not mislead by those that would deceive you continue to learn look to God and know that it is His glory and love that light the way.
Wow. this guy said it around the 40 minute mark. "If I go to hell for affirming gays, then I'm okay with that." Basically he's saying, "If Jesus doesn't agree with my presuppositions, then I'm not going to believe him."
I have a hard time calling that faith.
Reminds me of Matthew 7:21. “Lord Lord…” what a fearful place to be
This guy is not a Christian. If he was, he would agree with the word of God.
Also, if its possible for him to be condemned for supporting people in their sin, how many people is he leading to condemnation for their sin?? Doesnt sound like actual love to me. I would be much more afraid for the souls perishing than I would about what people think about how “loving” i am on earth.
There is also the presupposition that he knows how to love ppl better than God lol😂
He holds his beliefs over the gospel
Props to you Ruslan for showing so much patience and respect in this conversation!
This was a frustrating conversation to listen to… You handled yourself better than I would have, Ruslan. God’s certainly given you a gift for patience.
Respect to Ruslan for being patient with Tim. It’s frustrating watching him make such large claims yet have so little evidence or desire to make sure they’re true.
"...or desire to make sure they're true" is key! And this is the difference between a personal relationship and a half-hearted belief in the Gospel. Sanctification IS what will happen when we choose to walk with Jesus. And that includes homosexual practicing. Just like an unrepentant career thief is not actually a follower of Jesus. Or an unrepentant heterosexual fornicater.... the entire point is that we MUST realize we're sinners (after establishing what God says sin is) and accept Christ's gift of salvation on the cross... after that, we WILL be sanctified. And to endorse a sinful lifestyle in this way us very telling of his actual faith
So true
Why is "progress" always, always, always, primarily about moving away from scripture
Because scripture can sometimes be false. There’s a reason that there are Protestants, Catholics, and orthodox don’t have the same number of books in their Bibles.
@@omnikevlar2338do t believe scripture is false. I believe you are reading it wrong.
@omnikevlar2338 scripture can sometimes be false huh? So God is a liar?
@@tjhartley2599 It isn’t that God lied it’s that your understanding of the Bible isn’t correct.
It's moving away from your definition of scripture. Medieval Christians believed themselves to be just as biblical as you do
It's pretty clear that Tim places higher emphasis on his political ideology than God.
Got the same sense
He wants The World to like him vs for God to be proud of him.
I was about to say the same thing. Rather than speaking from Christian perspectives for most points, he went from a political pov.
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If he asked why I thought if his faith was authentic m, I’d point to that explicitly. I don’t think I’ve ever heard him talk about his love for God.
There are truths in God’s Word that are final. Being affirmative of sin, any sin, is wrong!
Like killing baby's? Passover. Or like killing people who didn't convert. Or destroying all life on earth so Christians can have salvation. Insane
This man's moral epistemology is essentially to stick a wet finger into the air and see which way the cultural wind blows.
Yep! Nailed it
Pretty much
That’s not what he said at all. He said that cultural shifts have redefined things that the church has called its unchangeable tenants. Given the moment and cultural context the church renegotiates its interpretation of the text.
People thought that the Bible clearly said the Earth revolves around the sun.
People didn’t believe in divorce and now the Christian church is tied with the secular divorce rate. Slavery in America was upheld by Biblical standards and slaves were told that their salvation was coming in the after life.
That’s his point! That the church negotiated and renegotiates with the text in different traditional and cultural settings.
The church has been wrong on many issues and its interpretation of the text in some instances has caused more harm than good.
My friend the “Christian’s” that used the Bible as an excuse to have slaves were hypocrites. There are many examples in the Bible suggesting Jesus did NOT accept slavery.
This line of thinking concludes that "if I'm too loving, too graceful, etc" and I'm sent to hell, then I'm okay with that. How arrogant it is to presume that you can be more loving and graceful than God.
Yeah, that false humility was nauseating. 🤢
So after watching this interview, I was left with a bad taste in my mouth because there’s a lot of unequal comparisons and a total blindness to the inequality of those comparisons between LGBT and genuine civil rights issues. He also seems to be operating under this false narrative that there’s a systematic oppression of gay peoples livelihood when there’s no real debate as to whether or not they should be able to live their lives however their want, there’s just a question about whether or not it’s sin or constructive to a society.
Watch this sermon:
Fr Hewko, St. Michael the Archangel 9/29/23 "The Humble Shall Be Exalted" [Audio] (MA)
I would also say the real question should be, if the church should allow homosexuality to flourish within the church itself. Obviously no church can stop gay people from getting married since it is recognized as a right. But should Churches allow their leaders and those that serve to be openly gay? Now if they choose to not follow that lifestyle they could serve ... but then it gets complex.
@@Jaredpoth well it comes back to whether or not homosexuality is sinful. If practicing homosexuality is sinful (which I believe the Bible makes clear) then they should not be on church leadership.
@@GabeGarsia I would agree. But then what about those that are same sex attracted but choose a life of celibacy? Would you allow them to serve? Maybe not at the level of elder, but in some form of ministry? After all if someone is choosing to not participate in a sin that would otherwise encompass their whole life, I would think that would give them the right to participate in serving. What do you think?
@@Jaredpoth I would allow them to serve at any capacity due to the fact that they’ve chosen to live against their sinful desire in the same way any other believer does when they give their life to Christ.
There was never a point where Tim was able to point back to scripture for his justification of homosexuality. It was always related to our current cultural norms and tolerance. It was always in the vain of love and tolerance for the sake of tolerance. And at no time did it have any backing by scripture. That’s the difference
And it seemed like Tim kept pointing to sins of Bible “characters” instead of keeping his eyes on Jesus or Gods laws or teaching. So he follows Jews, Noah, Lamech instead of Jesus or Paul’s teachings.
Then when Ruslan gives him facts and numbers that don’t line up with his argument in real time… he goes that’s not the work we do I am not an expert on that and can’t speak to that… like he only cares to know the info that allows him to live with plausible deniability of inconvenient truths.
Problably even if he does he would not give you a clear exegesis.
I get this from the bits and pieces he trowed out in the conversation.
He's putting a lot of weight on how culture might want to interpret scripture and seemingly disregarding the fact that the Bible was written with intent, and intent that should be discovered, not decided.
Amen halleluYah
He's ridiculous. Worst defense of homosexuality I've ever heard. Oh we nit pick ... He's all about pointing to other bad behavior to defend their abomination
Well said!
And yet we acknowledge that slavery is bad despite the Bible never condemning it and in some cases even condoning it.
What's the intent literalism?
Watching this from an eastern orthodox lens is painful. I appreciate how respectful you both were.
I grow weary of folks saying "I cant speak for..... or I can only speak for myself" and absolving themselves from the responsibility of having a contradictory view in a discussion. Nah man, your works have meaning, you are influential and you are responsible for them.
I think Tim is used to being the wisest guy in the room, but is realizing and panicking knowing he's in a class that he didn't take the pre-requisites for. Been there, it's a tough place to be, but God can do great things in it. With humility, that is😬
100% agree. I have a good friend of 40+ years who I can’t mention because his ministry and work around the world is well known. He not only looks like Tim but his growing up is EXACTLY the same. His thinking has changed just like Tim’s. I believe my friend is still a believer in Christ BUT he spends more time reading other (smart 🙄) speakers, preachers and well known authors and has adjusted his faith to embrace their ideologies and has put the scriptures on the shelf.
Amen! I believe that he who has begun a work in his will completed
Wow props to you Ruslan, halfway though I was mentally burnt out, I felt every emotion possible, and I wasn’t the one interacting with him. Praying for everyone.
These people need to be challenged, and rebuked.. Acceptance is for the weak..
im filled with so much anger and hate right now.
Well done Ruslan 👏 Great work brother. Homosexuality can not and should not be justified in Christianity. There isn't anything in scripture to support this. It is weird how they compare this topic to race. Thank you for being respectful and firm on this. God bless you and your family bro! Also thank you for my hoodie, jumper and t-shirt. I love the Yeshuas Dream hoodie
Here for Tim. So much respect and thankfulness for his ministry
This is why teaching young people solid theology is so important. If someone can't tell Paul Washer and Rob Bell are different, they are completely ignorant of solid theology.
Haha! So true!!!
Tim clearly acknowledged that these are different figures. Plus, how can you determine what you believe if you don’t learn about different views?
Man… I’m only halfway through, and this brother’s complete ignorance to Black American history and the black church is very aggravating. He’s just tossing around the “white evangelical” phrase like black American Christians were not heavily involved back then. I would highly recommend that bro reads Dr. Mason’s book “Urban Apologetics: Restoring Black Dignity with the Gospel”.
Props to you Ruslan. The way you handle these interviews is very encouraging and inspiring.
Harry Hosier
Yeah, it's a liberal thing to be for everyone because they don't know everything so can speak very general about issues they create themselves
I was trying to be charitable to this guy and hear him out but all that came to my mind was. “why would you still consider yourself a Christian if everything Christianity does is an issue for you….”
The appeal of an all-loving Jesus with no consequences for sin is too alluring for people who grew up in Christian households. They keep the name but drop the true Christ. Pray for us all
Good question
Exactly! He doesn't want God to be in our laws, doesn't want God's laws to be held to today and doesn't want Christian tradition to carry on. So do you even like and follow God or your own version of "god"? It's so frustrating how confident he is. He is rebelling against the very thing he claims to be. Makes no sense
Creating his own god in his image who is ok with sin.
The first and original sin that we know better than God.
Comes from pride and ego
It is because he is under a delusion. Also could point to the faith alone movement in Christian churches being a root cause to his underlying condition. He is living in deception.
This was Ruslan at his finest. He asked really good questions, and had the receipts to push back when it was needed. I didn't even know about the domestic abuse stat. This so far has been my favorite interview.
If you read the study that statistic came from, the women who identified as lesbian meant they *currently identified* as lesbians. The majority reported having been abused by an intimate *male* partner in their past, not their current female partners. Also the least amount of intimate partner abuse in that same study was reported in male/male homosexual relationships. This statistic is not the slam dunk a lot of Christians think it is.
@@darkcircles06 could you place the link in the comment. I was trying to find what you said, but I had a hard time. I even looked through NIH, but still had a hard time finding it.
@@darkcircles06 That begs the question... Why would the numbers be higher though? Domestic abuse numbers ARE more notable in lesbian women (43%) and bisexual women (61%), compared to heterosexual women (35%). Did they just poll the right group of people who happened to have abusive partners in the past or is there a common denominator that plays itself out? My conjecture is that statistics are always a double-edged sword and sometimes agenda-driven folks try to wield both sides of the blade...wanting to show high stats so the LGBTQ remain more oppressed that heterosexuals, but also show low-or-equal stats as to imply those relationships aren't different than heterosexual ones in a meaningful way.
@@cpjds1 what if the common denominator is that women have also been shown to be far more fluid in their sexuality than men, and most of them start off identifying as bisexual and having boyfriends since it more socially acceptable? Studies have shown women try to be agreeable and make others feel comfortable, so that behavior would make sense. Also, most of these surveys include family in the intimate relationship framework and no one can deny that people who come out to their families often get treated terribly. Up to and including becoming homeless as teenagers. There's also the issue to consider of the fact that Christianity is known for being bad about downplaying abuse, only counting it when it becomes physical and not counting neglect or emotional abuse like secular sources do, which women are more prone to trying to tolerate and work through to preserve the relationship. There's also the fact that people with alternate sexualities are less likely to report abuse to avoid retaliation.
What I wrote is just as valid a supposition as yours is. However mine doesn't assume a whole sexuality, not even the people involved but somehow the sexuality itself, is mystically evil when that makes no sense. I assume that people are complex and individual with different backgrounds and experiences, which quickly complicates the simplistic narrative that wants all members of an arbitrary group to be bad with no discernable bad happening. Abuse isn't caused by sexuality, that's silly.
i live close to three lesbian couples, and i have to say, the most feminine one of them suffers abuse, mentally and physically, one almost died getting beatem by her partner, but again, it doesn't say anything about every single case@@darkcircles06
@RuslanKD your calm and composure is a gift. You inspire me to train myself to be that way.
Ruslan, what you did here is a masterclass in how a Christian ought to discuss these sensitive topics with someone of differing views. You truly paid attention to his points and did your best to understand where he is coming from! That makes a world of difference thst many Christians don't understand! Praise God for you! And praying for Tim!🙏❤️
The biggest thing that I’ve noticed throughout this conversation is that he is ignoring the fact that history all the way through to the Bible has shown humanity has fallen from God’s standards. Just because a segment of proclaimed Christians did some thing during a time doesn’t mean that that is representative of Christianity. This is why we always encourage people to look to the word of God first. When it comes to businesses A business has the right to voluntary association. If I own a business and don’t want to do a particular thing, I don’t have to. If I choose to discriminate in a way that makes most people upset. I will lose business so the free market corrects that generally. Also, marriage is between a man and a woman. anything else is a lie.
He is like the people who badmouthed Noah before the flood.
Amen!
“No one is compelling you to affirm any of this” - Said no less than 3x. Than how would you describe bills in places like California where they would take your kids if you don’t affirm their gender. Pretty compelling, wouldnt you agree?
Bad, good,😂
Yeah, when he said that there was no legislature. I was like, what?
Thats not what that bill says lol. There is a significant amount of nuance than that.
No one is having their kids taken away for just an opinion.
So far, as your guest is explaining his journey, I have not heard him describe him repenting of his sin and experiencing a heart change.
I totally agree.
Probably because he is only talking to the snake which tells him comforting lies.
You must be born again
Ruslan is such an incredibly gracious host. He remains calm, asks clarifying questions, gives his guest plenty of space to express himself thoroughly, and treats him with respect and care. However, he keeps his own views and makes them clearly known. Excellent.
Love this discussion. I’m just glad they were able to talk about these topics respectfully without getting butt hurt 👏🏼
When you asked him directly if he believed God has a preferred sexual ethical design for us you could see pure panic in his eyes. He knew the answer which is why he responded with a question.
I wish Ruslan would have pressed him on why infidelity is bad but homosexuality is okay, especially since Tim said that the Bible shouldn't be used to determine a sexual ethic.
To answer Tim's comment about if God would send him to hell or not....Tim, you wouldn't go to hell bc you're too "loving" or "gracious" (as you mentioned), you would go to hell bc you encouraged people to live lives that separate them from God - its that simple.
Affirming people is NOT love (as you suppose), its actually cowardice. For example, if I actually love an addict, I'm going to confront their sin/addiction, and do MY BEST to help them out of their addiction. If I were to affirm their lifestyle of addiction, it's because I actually hate them and or I'm a coward. That's literally what the Bible teaches us all throughout the Scriptures.
Amen!
Proverbs 27:5-6. Better is open rebuke than hidden love. Faithful are the wounds of a friend; profuse are the kisses of an enemy.
@@katyducharme1346 AMEN!! Loving people, especially through correction, ain't easy!! God bless!
Tim is effectively denying people the opportunity for forgiveness and healing.
Exactly what I was going to say! 1000%% he has more fear of letting man down than fearing God
@@keepclimbing2015 🎯🎯🎯
Great stuff!! Some major truth bombs!!! 🔥🔥🔥
What will condemn any Christian (whatever the sin is) is Pride (and the lack of the "fear of God").
Not our job to be tolerant, our job is to combat evil, combat falsehoods
@@theLionandtheLamb1amen!!!
Absolutely. In our own selves first then everywhere else.
The thought I keep coming back to is that when culture conflicts with the Bible - especially on a moral issue, Tim defaults to culture being correct.
So so good. Loved this convo! Props to Tim as well for being there and sharing his position. Ruslan did an excellent job here and I loved how respectful they kept it. 🙌🏽
The fact that Ruslan carried this discussion with such patience and grace shows he’s further down the road of sanctification than I am.
Ruslan is so great at having these conversations. I pray he continues to have these conversations. I know that there are a ton of people watching who may be convicted.He has a way of gently and firmly guiding people back to the truth of the word. Both truth and grace is necessary. Keep it up Ruslan, this was done masterfully!
Even if all Christians renegotiate the scriptures in some way, that still doesn't make it right or not a sin. We are all sinful and fall short of the glory of God. However, there is a big difference between doing it on mistake and using it as an excuse to willfully twist the word of God.
Big difference! 💯
But if I applied that fully I’d have to condone slavery which I’m not gonna do.
@omnikevlar2338 Slavery 2000 years ago was not the same thing as American Slavery.
Jesus didn't come to change society. He came to change the hearts and minds of individuals. Thus Jesus never spoke out against slavery, even ancient slavery which was a far cry from the evils of American Slavery.
He touched people individually and thus the culture and society was influenced by Christianity which lead to the eventual abolishing of slavery how we know it.
@@reedclayton7196 Well the problem I have is the Bible doesn't condemn corporal punishment in society today. So if a country has that as a law I am not supposed to advocate against that. Calling that sinful when the Bible doesn't is putting me at odds with the Bible. So when I see everyone else do it I think we all negotiate with the text.
@@reedclayton7196slavery was absolutely horrific in bible times. the Israelites were slaves in egypt and were beaten and forced to work. they came from an outside country. i dont see how Israelite slavery was that different from slavery in america
I have a lot of respect for you Ruslan. You have continued to increase your knowledge so much in the last couple years.
Absolutely wild that Tim’s line of “work” is in affirming a lifestyle that he has (his words) no knowledge whatsoever of any of the stats from the CDC that Ruslan referenced. The ‘sorry I don’t know… haven’t read it… not my line of work but I’m gonna keep pushing this lifestyle as good & right’ position is incredibly telling, especially when his own About Us statement on IG speaks to how “it was not hard for me to change my mind once I was given the history, data, and lived experiences” - wait, but it’s okay to ignore all the history, data, lived experiences that prove how detrimental the lifestyle is? And to even say ‘my line of work is in affirming, why would I study the opposition?’ Yikes! Why wouldn’t you?!?! Clearly you are well meaning, but It’s also clear that the attention/following you received on social will make it challenging to be humble & open to the idea that you might be wrong. Oh but what a platform you’d have to reach the marginalized with the real, un-negotiated truth. 🙏
When he was unaware of the CDC data… imagine if you were a soda salesman. Would you not familiarize yourself with the arguments and stats people who oppose you would throw at you? As a soda salesman, I imagine you’d wanna know those rather than willfully ignoring them.
100%. This is like if the soda salesman didn’t know that diabetes exists.
Yep and his lack of knowledge about bills constantly being passed in California for gender identity….
The argument that because sexuality isn’t mentioned in creeds, we shouldn’t accept heteronormativity is frankly terrible and a total non-sequitur.
the what?
@@ElijahDanielRayWood this argument:
P1. Sexuality isn’t mentioned in the creeds
C: We shouldn’t accept (I.e., we should reject) heteronormativity.
@@TheOtherCaleb
I knew what you meant, I was just joking. Almost sounds like we’re talking in code. Heteronormativity… That word is atrocious.
@@ElijahDanielRayWood oh lol, true
Inerrancy literalism and infallibility are also not mentioned in the creeds. That's a new thing
Well done, Ruslan. Well done! 👏 You held firm on the major biblical issues and showed self-control in not combating every single unfounded claim of his. You focused on the most important issues. Very nuanced conversation to navigate. It sounds like TNE (cant remember his name) tries to make his views sound reasonable on this podcast, but he is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Great balance between truth and love - all glory to God!! Praying he comes to a knowledge of the Truth in repentance and belief.
Ruslan was solid but not spectacular. I think he gave this guy a little more rope than he should have to spew just nonsensical things. I wish he would have come at him a little more forcefully, but not bad.
Man! Such a good conversation!!! Thank you guys! Appreciate you both, and being so cordial 🙂
When someone says I’ve always been a Christian I’m always a little skeptical about that statement.
It should usually be translated as “I was born into/raised in a Christian tradition/household.” I think that’s at least the baseline meaning of what people mean when they say they’ve “always” been a Christian.
@@Candie4JC I know what they mean and it’s still a dangerous statement, most aren’t even born again but with statements like that they are saying yea I was raised this way my parents raised me to be Christian but do they actually know Jesus Christ according to the scripture. I was raised by Christian parents but was born again until I was 30.
@@calebcollins7090Great point 👍🏼👍🏼
This is one of the most in depth and important discussions I have seen in a very long time. I think the points made by Ruslan here are crucial in combating the arguments being made by the progressive Christian movement in todays world. And this view has infiltrated so many of our churches and ultimately is paving the way for a falling away without us even realizing it. It falls in line with the false prophecy that sounds biblical but is deception. I thank God for this discussion. Everyone should watch this.
If Satan dupes any individual out of the kingdom how the heck is that justice for the victim of Satan?
Ruslan thank you so much for having these conversations. I also appreciate your guest Tim for his time and effort to have a good faith dialogue. I was so impressed by both of your ability to disagree so starkly and remain respectful. So kudos to you both. Obviously Ruslan is correct, but those of you saying that means this guy is unsaved, are also not being fair. Remember Romans 10:9, we can be saved and be in error on certain things. I pray the Holy Spirit leads him into all truth. I do believe Tim had some good points about how Fundamentalism and Christian Nationalism are woven into the fabric of modern Evangelicalism. And the fact that we are always wrestling with understanding and applying the word. But I truly believe that Ruslan's overarching philosophical standpoint of allowing the scripture to interpret scripture, instead of our current cultural climate, is the crux of the isssue. The main part when Tim made me very uncomfortable was not even any of the LGBTQ stuff, but when he basically said that we have the same authority to interpret and apply scripture as the New Testament authors. That is a very slippery slope that will likely lead to a false gospel.
It has already led him to a false gospel. To arrive at the conclusions he's made, he's placed his own ideas above God's. He's altered clear words into ambiguous ones to say what he wants. This is simply idolatry.
When men reject God, they make false ones that say what they want to hear. The pattern in the Old Testament is clear, as is God's rejection and punishment of those that do this.
It's clear that when mankind abandons God and His ways, they go deeper into sin. Embracing homosexuality, beastiality, adultery, fornication, murder, theft, and all other ways of breaking God's laws.
By calling evil good and good evil, he has fundamentally rejected God, His Word, and denied the faith. He has put his own ideas above God's truth.
I agree that people can be saved with some differences of opinion on certain doctrines. We're not omniscient, and are certainly wrong in the fine points. But the fundamentals don't shift. If they did we'd have a foundation of sand, which we don't.
God is the same yesterday, today and forever. The old Testament God is the same as the new.
This is what a person who values the opinions of culture and society over the will of God looks like.
He paints a very pretty picture if a wide, easy to travel path. I am sure it leads to something great😊.
"Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect."
-Romans 12:2
Tim admits he’s not well versed in the Bible and unfortunately it is frustrating his take on abortion, marriage, etc… you can’t talk rationally with these kind of people who have once viewed the Bible as literal and no longer don’t. They talk so confidently that they are right but deep down we know it’s not. Deny ourselves and pick up our crosses and follow Jesus. We are not here to not offend people, Jesus even says the world hated me first and should give us confidence the world will hate us too if we follow Jesus ACCURATELY not lukewarm
God bless you Ruslan, keep doing what you do! Praise God!
i dont not ask that you take them out of the world, but sanctify them in truth.. Lord, Your word is truth.
The last statement he made told me everything i needed to hear.... he is struggling with church hurt
I personally know Tim, he was good friends with my sister a few years ago. She was part of the young adult group he mentioned. First off, he's a very nice guy, good sense of humor, easy to hang out with. But I've debated him on a few of Christian topics back in the day, and he always takes the extreme position with little scriptural backing for, it instead pointing out "flaws" within the Christian community instead (like you see here).
Ruslan, you did a great job here, and made all the right points.
Because “all Christian’s have done this” does not mean it’s right and does not mean you can use it as an excuse to do the same
Exactly! 👏👏👏
💯!! Because then you’ll be hinging your faith and principles on people and not on the Gospel/Jesus.
Unless that is in conjunction with scripture and how it’s been interpreted from the beginning. It’s at least a strong evidence in that direction.
Saying we want to do things differently because we know better then everyone else is just arrogant.
@@davelopez8097 but that’s what the apostle Paul did. He developed his own theology
@@justinabajian1087 I don’t believe he did. All of his corrections/letters to the churches were congruent to the Gospels. Not one deviation.
I think this twisting of doctrine really comes down to a misunderstanding of true love.
Progressives posit that love means accepting AND affirming someone however they feel they want to be, when that's actually not loving.
If we can get our definition of love straight (no pun intended), we can keep the Gospel doctrinally intact.
Fatherly love is a good way to put it, a father will tell you things, that might make you feel uncomfortable right now, but will make you feel good longterm.
Had a loooong convo with Tim a while ago, can’t say I considered it fruitful and I also can’t say I came any closer to understanding his position 😂. BUT I’m excited to see this conversation, you have a way of opening up room for avenues of communication that are otherwise unexplored through your platform.
@@theLionandtheLamb1amen!!!
I enjoyed the talk and love Ruskin’s heart to engage. I hate the argument that we, as Christians, consider certain passages of scripture as “meh”. No scripture is to be ignored or disregarded, EVER. Our heart should be to understand and apply every passage. We apply OT passages in light of the NT, but we don’t ignore or downplay them.
Isn't it crazy how Tim used the bible to constantly affirm sin,rather than rebuke. Says a lot about his faith or the lack there of in Jesus and his word. Love that Ruslan can display the patience to actually have conversations with people like this.
Much of his banter consists of trying to fit the Bible into your worldview as opposed to shaping your worldview on what the Bible says.
That said, I think it’s great to see how Ruslan stewarded in the truth in this conversation, giving clear context to his worldview and correcting Tim’s misuse of the word.
These conversations are so important to have, and this video has given me much food for thought in how to be ready for these kinds of conversations.
It’s a bit offensive to compare a persons race to a persons sexuality.
Definitely. Way more than a bit offensive too
THANK YOU. Please can they stop doing that
being kind to someone and loving someone is two different things - you love your child therefore you make sure he does not do self destructive stuff to his soul and body (pick a fetish or addiction, video games day and night to a point he calls himself a bot etc...) Love is not only defined in 1 Cor 13:8.
That is the fatherly love and a father loves his own children, like our creator loves us. His divine design, is not a "mistake" that ideas of the flesh could ever be superior to.
Amen love is truth not affirming lies
Ruslan I really respect you for having so many people on who have different views and views that you would vehemently disagree with. You handle these conversations with grace and assertiveness which is really beautiful to see. Thank you for setting a great example on what it looks like to love those you disagree with. God bless you bro!
More of this, fam. So much grace and meaningful dialogue. It's a model to many.
I also wanted the authentic "acts" church. It took me down the path of research and complete change of my understanding of Theology. I thank God that this journey led me to reaffirm my faith in God and the scripture. No deconstruction stuff here.😊
THE SHELLFISH!!!!! That part really did me in. Thankful for this conversation. It helped me to explain to a newer believer about the way you were interpreting scripture compared to the way he was. He does not seem to understand the fact that Jesus fulfilled the law which changes A LOT about understanding the Bible, especially for deconstructionists.
THIS!! He self admitted that he is not a Bible scholar, and it started to show during the shellfish conversation.
This guy is just dishonest. He compared BP to a sin😣. He needs to leave us out of his LGB push.
What is BP?
Jesus did not affirm the woman that commited adultery. He saved her life and did not condemn her. Then told her to go and sin no more. Meaning he wanted her to change.
I can get behind that.
Ruslan handled this like a true gentleman, keeping himself calm and collected and respectful, while pushing back and disagreeing. Hats off 🎩
Excellent teaching and navigation of scripture by Ruslan. Also, enjoyed Ruslan’s ability to lovingly and peaceably discuss God’s Word and it’s loving and averarching plan for Christ’s bride, his church.
Tim keeps repeating that Christians have negotiated with different parts of scripture throughout history. He's right about that. We need to be humble about the fact that we can be wrong.
That shouldn't stop us from trying to determine truth as best as we can. For this, we use scripture and an understanding of how those scriptures were understood throughout church history. And it's pretty conclusive that Jesus, the apostolic teaching, and all early church history do not deviate from the core of a specific sexual ethic. This ethic leaves no room for sex outside of a one man, one woman, committed union for life and is unanimously viewed as universal (for all time).
So why does the church not vehemently condemn non-abusal divorce the way it does gay marriage? And why does it affirm 2nd, 3rd + marriages through church weddings?
@@jesrodriguez1400 I agree with you. Many churches need to condemn divorce more strongly. Many churches do though (mine does). This is definitely an issue with much of the western church.
To believe that no women had a choice in who she married is a falsehood. Even the person arranging a marriage took into account the two they were linking together.
I think he believes there were some, but he chooses to identify the mode with those who didn’t. Same in the case of saying marriage was “about” land titles and inheritance. Those things may have been a small part, even a major part for a few people, but people didn’t design marriage, God did. So for it’s reason and purpose, God should be looked to, not people
There’s no defense of arranged marriage. Unless at no point they go against anyone’s consent. In which case, if they’re doing nothing more than making suggestions. Suggestions are obviously fine
We "negotiate" to fit our sinful lusts. You can't change the Bible to match your lifestyle. Are we being serious here??
I love my mixed fabrics and shrimp scampi.
No matter what I agreed or disagreed with, I truly appreciated this conversation. I think ultimately we all are trying to grow closer to Jesus in our person lives while navigating culture and this world. I felt that from both of these men. Respect.
The fact he said "if God sends me to hell for loving my neighbor too much then im good with that, I've made peace with that" is such a wild statement to me. I dont think any man can love humans more than God. I think he means well i just think he tried to over correct whatever he thought God got wrong.
Its constructive law , not restrictive. Best Life God Has for you comes through living out His Guidelines . Like any good Father He wants what is best for Us
I believe this man has the spirit of confusion on him, please pray for God to open his heart.
hey Ruslan. I said some pretty critical things about you in a few comments a while back and I just want to apologize. It’s easy to watch a vid and accuse someone of wrong doing. I think you are doing a great job brother. And I pray the Lord bless you in your work.
I think this interview was a great example as to why it’s so important to wait to go in the ministry and teach the Bible. The overarching theme in this discussion is Ruslan believes what he believes, and has studied to understand what it is he believes, and why he believes it. As for Tim, it was more like I’m teaching the Bible and I am OK with these other things and when asked why oh I’m not a specialist in that area. Before you stand for something shouldn’t you dig into what it is you’re standing for? Specially, if you’re going to teach the Bible. It was interesting conversation.
I loved listening to the podcast! What a beautiful conversation! Keep killing it! 🔪
Masterclass Ruslan, in peaceful and meaningful engagement.
I commend him as well. He gave alot of grace.
Let truth prevail.
Circumcision was for Gentiles to become Jews at first and then came Jesus with the New Testament. Then we have circumcision of the heart for Genriles to become saved by grace through faith.
We are not to sway with different doctrinal issues when it comes to what the world accepts.
I agree! 💯
Ruslan! If I ever doubted your intention or faith, this interview has convinced me that you are solid bro. Your simple and consistent adherence to biblical faith revealed over and over thus person's squishy stance on what it means to be a believer. We must stand firm in the faith, wearing Christ's armor because we have an enemy that no one is talking about. An invisible power called evil that is intent on the disorder of our desires. Keep up the good work, my bro!
Good grief, its like this guy had never even opened the bible or the new testament. This is crazy.
I wished you pressed him more on the distinction between descriptive vs prescriptive. Based on his logic, murder, stealing, adultery, and incest can be appropriate under certain cultural context. He’s already pro choice so I would assume he’s for reparations and pushing the boundaries further on sexual ethics.
Also, we don’t stone adulterers, but that doesn’t mean that we affirm and condone adultery. That’s not a negotiation as he calls it.
Only so much time. Remember this went over 4.5 hours. I couldn’t go deep on every topic even though I wanted to. Tim was a great sport and I really do enjoy hanging with him.
@@RuslanKD nice, looking forward to seeing more, this is a great conversation. Wondering if he swayed you in any of your positions and what you think you would have done differently, but overall great job 👍🏽
This is why the *historic church* is so important, folks.
Sadly I believe he has been mislead in scripture. Good job on speaking to him as I believe one of the Apostles or Christ would have. Meaning loving and kind hearted. We should all be praying for him. That Jesus would open his eyes and unharden his heart on these subjects.
I went down the rabbit 🐇 hole also accepting gays, being open minded.. questioning religion. If I only knew years of depression and sadness could have been avoided. I was called back to Jesus and have been reading the Bible non-stop every thing has been lifted I’m walking with god now and literally feel so free. Praise Jesus 🙏🙏🙏 praying for this young man especially since he has children.
Just my opinion:
Every sinner, no matter what the sin, needs to be sitting in the pews of the church in hopes that the message can reach them. However, I don’t believe that anyone who affirms their sin should be in any leadership positions of the church.
Oooh boy. This one’s gonna be good!! I’ve heard some of Tim’s arguments on IG. Lots of mental gymnastics tbh. Which mostly happens for deconstructionists. Their whole dogma stems from logic>faith which is just so hard to agree with especially as a Christ follower.
To be fair, much of modern Christianity is a child of the enlightenment and there is hardly any apologetics that doesn’t focus on trying to use logic. It’s not at all unquie to deconstructionist.
Logic is not and never has been contrary to the Christian faith. Liberal Christianity is not based on logic but is instead based on feelings and cultural pressure to conform to today's standards of what is and what is not sin.
@@nickerson3437 You can strike liberal from that last sentence and it still rings true.
@@nickerson3437 I agree. But there has to be a good balance between the two. Because when one overwhelmingly dwarfs the other, any point made is put into question. I just watched through this video and I’m not so sure Tim’s as theologically sound as he thinks he is. He can’t even differentiate between Old and New Covenants. He kept pulling from OT laws which don’t apply and have almost no correlation to what he was trying to parallel it to. And he doesn’t know how to concede an argument. He just goes “ok” or “I don’t know”. My jaw dropped when Ruslan said the whole pod was 4.5 hours long. God bless him for being that patient.
There are things that are secondary to the core of God's word, which many christians have a different point of view about, and at the end of the day are secondary to God's word and will not put in danger your salvation. BUT the core of God's word have to be the same for every christian, and will definetly put in danger your salvation.
Like eatin shellfish, to eat shellfish will not send you to hell, even if there are christians or catholics tha believe it will
LGBT affirming? I don't get it is he saying it's nt a sin cuz it obviously is
I believe he's saying the bible isn't consistent on the topic of sexuality enough to consider it a sin.
This has been one of my favorite Christian conversations I've ever heard. Thank you.