I love the lesson at the end: Sometimes people do terrible things. Associating those terrible things with mental disorders could exacerbate the stigma of mental illness. Thank you for this thoughtful video, Dr. Grande.
While I think that it's possible sometimes for "normal" people to do bad things, it's far more unlikely. It's probably safe to assume that a person who commits a crime like this is indeed disordered.
@@TriXorcist Agreed. Narcissistic abuse is definitely a thing. To say that there is a "stigma" and that it's bad and hurts those with cluster B personality disorders is an injustice to those who have suffered at the hands of these individuals. They obviously need help but most of them don't seek out genuine help and a lot continue to abuse others. This is coming from someone who has been in more than one abusive relationships with actual diagnosed cluster B's and have known MANY people who have been with either diagnosed or obviously disordered individuals. I know the damage it causes. I've lived it and I've seen it up close and personal. Instead of being so worried about these people why not worry about their victims?! I see so many people protecting these abusers and don't care to help those who were abused by these disordered individuals.
@@LuvBugBlaqkHart because you can't put everyone in a bag as "cluster B". You never really hear about the people in cluster B, also a lot of abuse comes from borderline or histrionic people who hurt themselves more than they hurt others, we've all met borderline or ASPD people who are less intense on the scale and who haven't hurt anyone but they'd never admit to having these disorders because of the stigma that you have to be bad. I agree abuse is a serious issues and there are many NPD and ASPD people that take the trophy at committing the worst crimes. But what about the majority of people with some traits and how about the people who barely qualify. You can bet that by statistics alone at large many more people have traits, then more people barely qualify and then some 1 or 2% are the ones who fully qualify and a much lesser amount are the ones much worse, with higher scores and more symptoms in the list. So we hear a lot from the very worst in the list... Since schizophrenia is hard to hide, we know better that there's some that hurt others more and are violent and other that live in torment too but don't bother anyone. And we know that only the much, much worse in the spectrum tend to commit crimes. I think the trend is a little different for cluster B and other PDs but I'm pretty sure that the super negative perception is a little bit because most people with only traits or who qualify but are not high in the spectrum do not out themselves out of fear but mostly live without doing much harm. There's a neuroscientist that made brain images of people with ASPD like mainly serial killers and the found out he had the same type of brain image (fMRI), but he's a good worker, father, has not committed any crimes, he maybe just is not very emotional & uses his mind on his research & career ? How many sorta 'cold' people are there who are inventors, scientists, legislators etc. Just because we only hear from the worst of the worst doesn't mean we know what the average or low on the spectrum majority are all abusers, in my clinical experience is that like I said most people have traits, of a few PDs, then there's people who barely qualify, and the people that do qualify & are just as problematic as your typical neurotic person. But when you go to the low functioning, these people don't blend in, they can't hide they have these disorders because of impulsivity & crimes. But you will never really hear from the people who are less afflicted with those diseases or of victims of those people. What you hear on the media and catches your attention is the extremes. Now I'm not saying those PDs aren't bad, they are, but just like all there PDs most who do shit like consistently abuse their partners are the low functioning, worst part of the spectrum and it's that way for most disorders, and even for "normal" people. What you see in jails are normally the people who've have the worst lives, poverty, traumas, bad friends, etc. So just a thought from my experience with people clinically. You can't put everybody in one big box and say they're all abusive. mentally ill does not equal evil.
My feeling is that the fear of Travis being with another woman was far greater than the fear of jail. There was an aura of peace about her during her police interviews, she didn't care about the consequences because her greatest fear had gone.
Bingo! I think you are exactly right! The fear of him being with another woman probably made her feel so rejected and now he can't be with another woman so that rejection is off the table and jail looks better to her than rejection.
It is a sad way to this k. But some psychologically messed ups mpeople think this way. They feel unloved and unloveable and rejection to them is the worst thing.
You’re brilliant. Thanks for pointing out that the majority of people with BPD aren’t violent or “bad” as there is so much stigma attached to a disorder that is already so hard to live with.
@@veronikabohrn9520 ... Very true! Typically we're very highly sensitive people who are MORE LIKELY to HURT OURSELVES (privately and desperately to to hide it) OR KILL OURSELVES. We're usually, not all BUT most I would personally say, are the LEAST LIKELY to PURPOSELY HURT OTHERS (extreme shame, guilt and depression occurs after realizing that we've hurt someone), much less actually attempt or succeed in taking someone's life with absolutely no remorse or anyone noticing a change in the person's behavior (like one would assume one would notice if less than 24 hours earlier, someone was murdered by them).... you know what I mean?
During one of her interviews, while applying mascara she said: "I'm glad to see this is waterproof. I don't plan to cry but...you know." That was really sociopathic to me.
I would disagree because I have had to seek mental health treatment and have been ignored on some of my concerns before. I also know some people who have had it a lot more than I have.
Romans 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
this seems reasonable. I struggle with her stabbing first - seems like if she wanted him dead she would have shot first. I know she said (later) that she shot first, but the forensics don’t support that. The picture of him sitting in the shower is also weird - who does that? I can see it making sense that she kept asking about the trip and he said the same things he said in his texts/emails and she snapped. Maybe stabbing is a cry for help? still can’t figure out why she’d stab first if she really wanted to kill him.
@@handsomepetevideos I think to simply torture him. Stabbing is also more a personal act. She was soo involved with him before he died and she wanted to be deeply involved in the manner he died. I think she wanted him to suffer cause I’m positive she planned his death
This was definitely premeditated. She took her license plates off when she got to travis' house so no one could take down her plates info. That in itself should be the BIGGEST sign of premeditation. She was stopped by police after killing Travis because her license plate was upside down and the one in front wasn't even on and in her car or something like that. But both license plates were on correctly when she rented the car. She turned her phone off when she left CA and was on her way to AZ so she couldn't be tracked. She didn't turn it back on until she was en route to Salt Lake City away from AZ where if it was pinged it could be believable where she lied and gave a fictictious route for her road trip (obviously leaving out the real route she took to AZ). She told police her phone died for almost 24 hrs. She later said that her phone charger was in her back seat but stated earlier she couldn't find it and that's why it was off for so long. She purposely bought the third gas can in cash. She borrowed the two others. She saved all her other receipts that weren't any near arizona they were all paid credit card. So she could show proof if necessary. When the procesecutor, Juan Martinez, confronted her about the receipt of the third gas can purchased. She lied and said she returned the gas immediately because she miscalculated on how much gas she needed. There was no return transaction for the gas can at the date and walmart location she provided. Martinez also stated that she did in fact have all 3 gas cans when she went to salt lake city after the murder of travis to her friends house. He then showed receipts of gas station fill up before she went to Travis to show separate transactions all for gas and how the three were for filing up the gas cans as they did the calculations on how much gas was, mileage, and how much the gas cans held, etc.) .Also, she was first offered a red car but declined and accepted a white car and rented it like an hour away and not in her home town. She dyed her hair so shed look different. She set up the alibi by going to that guy's house in salt lake city. She set the staged robbery where 3 insignificant items were taken from the home including cash that she had was conveniently stolen and obviously the GUN, at a time when it was one of the only times her grandparents left Jodi alone and wouldn't be back for a substantial amount of time. Jodi allegedly then left the house during that time when the robbery happened. So to summarize it all up: 1) dyed her hair right before she killed travis 2) rented a car an hour away from her home when there are several rental car companies in her town 3) turned down a red car and chose white 4) took her license plates off the car when she parked at travis when she murdered him 5) borrowed two gas cans and purchased a third in cash (transactions at gas station reflected filling up all three cans) 6) all other transactions were made by credit or debit cards in CA or near Salt Lake City and saved in a shoe box at home (no receipts or transactions made anywhere near arizona so she left no tracks of her going and being there) 7) staged a robbery at her grandparents house so she could take the gun 8) purposely turning her phone off once she went off track the route she would later lie and give police for her road trip to see her friend in Salt Lake City. And turn it back on once she was back on her fictitious route How in the world does the above NOT prove premeditation?!??
Definitely pre-planned Hell she even had her excuses pre-planned! Lost her battery charger.. Pasadena kids with the screwdrivers..etc The only thing she didn't have plans for was no make-up when she was arrested .Damn Jodi should have atleast put some make-up on! Yeah girl that's what you shoulda done 🤷
If he had, after their interlude, invited her to Cancun, she might have let him live...until a next time unless he married her. She called him the night before she left for Arizona...most probably to find out the whereabouts of his housemates...that we will never know. Its obvious that he was not expecting her as he didnt go out to meet her...could she have crept in through the doggy door and therefore had time to stand and watch him before Napolean acknowledged her presence...a lot of things we will never know...but it was premeditated 100%. She is pure evil. She is like a snake...that to guess that she kept flicking out drove me berserk.
Libby Tate She definitely had murder on her mind, she had planned and was ready. It would have been different if he took Jodi on that vacation though. He would have lasted a little long, maybe.
She alledgedly kept all receipts that would falsely "prove" she wasn't able to be on the scene of the crime...psychos like her have bad connection with reality... This makes them vulnerable to making stupid mistakes and easy to identify as perpetrators...
Let's not forget the butcher knife JA clearly brought with her as well...staying stealth was very critical detail in her plan...ie hair color changes day prior, 3 gas cans, cell phone off, disposal of her "tools" ..I'm very puzzled about TA allowed her inside his home, but perhaps explained by her telling TA that she was sorry and wanted his help in fixing the problem she had created...TA had been a very forgiving soul and JA clearly is a very seasoned pathological liar who was able to convince TA that she was remorseful and wanted redemption. TA was in his sexual prime and hadn't had any sexual contact with a woman for some time so he was quite horny and couldn't resist JA sexual advances as she knew exactly what would get him to lay with her...one last time for old times sake...last goodbye and sealed w a kiss...and a shot in the head and a few stabs in the back and the coup de gra...grand finale...throat cut...JA is demon possessed and I have zero doubt about this. She is a Succubus who also performed oral sex on young boys...that case was put on hold...I also wonder if she had been sexually explicit with the teenage son of her former boyfriend Derald Brewster that she lived with for a few months/years?
She doesn't have healthy relationships with her family, or long term friendships. She didn't have a healthy relationship with her school and subsequently dropped out. Her unstable sense of identity is reflected in: her taking on Travis's identity as well as defining herself by being his girlfriend, (becoming a mormon, working for the same company, wearing a shirt that says " Travis Alexander's "). Once this was threatened, it threatened her whole sense of being, leading to her emotionally disproportionate reactions. Also, not having a direction with respect to a career. She also disconnected/ dissociated as many do during times of real or imagined abandonment. She appeared to have other traits that came out during the trial that align with ASPD and NPD. I am not diagnosing her, however I think she is a cluster B mess.
@@aashnachowdhury8618 As an adult she had no clear direction or idea who she was. Then she took on the " battered woman identity" and made t shirts to sell and donate the money to domestic violence organizations. I disagree Aashna. From what the psychologist said she had a very unstable sense of self identity. But this is all speculation as we don't know her or know of all the circumstances in her life. Just what the psychologist diagnosed her with.
There was a interview released about 3 days ago. It was quite long. She didn’t have any kind of trauma during childhood. She is very intelligent and manipulative. She premeditated this. She came off in the interview as a sweet, spiritual innocent woman and how could a person like her ever hurt anyone. She was portraying herself as a “nice” girl. Pure evil and she had no remorse.
You may be right that she didn’t go there to actually kill Travis. But why did she take gas cans with her so she didn’t have to stop and steal the gun from her grandparents. Her behavior in the interview room was very odd. Most likely she is a sociopath and was used by Travis. Stalking him and showing up unannounced should have raised a red flag to him, or he just ignored it.
I suffer with BPD, and it sucks reading/hearing about how evil and manipulative people with BPD are! It is so hard coping with this illness, yet people don't get how hard it is getting through life feeling so terrible and devastated!
I bet it's the case of misdiagnosis with these people. They usually have some traits of BPD but can as well have traits of psychopathy and sociopathy. I was diagnosed with BPD, I am very impulsive but working on it. I even got more impulsive after therapy and prescribed drugs. It's better when I do it alone. I wanted to get know some borderlines and I met some really messy people. For instance I met a young man with hiv that from the very beginning of our relationship recorded me, wrote down all my details just in case something went wrong. We were friends and I helped him, for instance when he was diagnosed with possible tumor I paid the medical bills and agreed that he could stay overnight for several days in my apartment. When I was asleep he searched my things, my id etc. I told him many details of my life and about my relation with my business partner etc. One day I told him I needed more time for myself and I cannot be in such an intense relation, he trashed the recordings and the fact he has all the details about me at my face. He threatened to contract me with hiv by piercing my eye, to kill my cats, to call banks in which I had business credits and tell trash about me so they could sue me for fraud, he threated to mess with my business partner. He wanted me to pay him. I did at that moment. Fortunately I have a record of it and the record of our chat on facebook in which he reveals his threats and we talk about the case. Maybe one day I will report on him, I have 5 years to do so, 3 are left now. When he told me all these things I went into total breakdown, I cried I started to beat myself into face. We were going along the street , I begged and cried for help some people, I was crying and shaking and he was very toned and cold blood, he told the people who encountered that I am mentally ill, and that he is my friend and he will take care of me. Only after some weeks I came to conclusion I could have gone to police and report him. At first I reacted with insanity, that's how I usually react under stress situations. I am a total mess at these moments. I met also some girl, we become friends, and she often got me into very fierce discussions in which she tried to prove me that I am wrong about things we were talking about. Even if I told her ok, I am wrong about it, it doesn't matter for me, she would constantly go back to it imposing me her own beliefs on the matter.She was quite manipulative and had a prescription on every aspect of my life that were accidentally revealed in discussions. I couldn't stand that and besides she was quite nice, intelligent and interesting person I gave up this relation. Now I usu avoid new people. I think that living without diagnosis is much better. It's much more constructive to focus on different traits that can be messy in life that on diagnosis that resolves nothing. Sometime I made a look-see on the way borderlines are treated by courts here in Poland and I see that borderlines are treated much more harsh than regular people. Regular people without bd diagnosis are often treated much lighter in more serious crimes than bd.
I don't have BPD but I have a family member who does. I think a lot of people witness some of the behavior harmful to others, read that BPD has an associated deficit in empathy, and see that BPD is in the same class as ASPD and think, "Oh they are unhinged psychopaths". But the empathy isn't really a "lack" as a global aspect of personality generally, but something that lapses when they feel threatened, and often misses the target. It's just inaccurate sometimes. People with BPD, in my experience, tend to be very empathetic otherwise. The pain people with BPD feel is really intense even if its hard for those such as myself without it to really have a means of grasping. When someone feels threatened, of course their empathy levels are going to drop. Like if someone was being attacked by a mugger with a knife, are they going to be like, "awee, this person must have had such an awful upbringing"? No. Fight or flight is the number one concern in that moment. When someone with BPD feels threatened in the security of a relationship or whatnot, it seems to me that it's intense enough that the brain is interpreting it as a legitimate attack and responds accordingly. So I think people should try having a little more empathy for those with BPD. I'm not a clinician, that's just what I have observed having a family member with it, and having a friend with it as well.
I don't believe "manipulation" is a characteristic of BPD. I think the reason why a lot of people associate "manipulative behaviour" with BPD is because the behaviour appears to be manipulative, when actually the person with BPD is trying to cope with an uncomfortable situation. Maybe it's the fear of abandonment, or they're offended by something someone said. The resulting behaviour and response is an attempt to compensate for the threat they perceive. If they're offended or embarrassed by something someone has said, they will say whatever it takes to eliminate the threat of being offended or embarrassed. So, say, something happens that makes them look bad or stupid, they will blame someone else, possibly by lying or making up a story and convincing people that it's true. It's an act of desperation. It's their way of surviving and coping. The threat may seem trivial to most, normal people, but for people with BPD, the threshold is much lower. Small, trivial threats to them appear magnified. They can be highly sensitive.
Such amazing content. There’s no attempt to overdramatize things to draw in more viewers. He just tells it like he sees it as a medical professional. Wonderfully refreshing. Keep it up, Dr. Grande!
Oh she knew she was going to commit murder. Why else turn her phone off the entire time she was in Arizona? Why did she bring 3, 5 gallon cans of gas with her? Why did she rent a car? All of these steps were to avoid detection and mislead people into thinking she had never been anywhere near Travis’ house.
Yea, dr Todd doesn't seem to be all that knowledgeable of the facts of the case. the amount of planning and premeditation, and the subsequent lies she made up to get off at the expense of Travis' reputation all need to be factored in...
The only thing that really shocked her and almost left her speechless was when Detective Flores confronted her with the pictures. 😳😬 That detective did such a stellar job.
Can you please do one like this for the Selena quintanilla murder case?? The woman who killed her was her fan club president and she's still in jail till this day and this happened in 1995.
Siphoning funds from the fan club & other businesses she had access to just over £30,000. Had Selena not confronted her personally she would still be alive today. I believe she was killed not from jealousy, but fearing being exposed as a thief & going to jail. Heated words & threats were no doubt exchanged when confronted over her criminal behaviour & she snapped. A timeless motive, greed, anger & perhaps a (small) sprinkling of jealousy. I've lost count of the amount of documentaries i've watched here on YT where the accused is confronted by a friend/family member & is shot dead. Does this guy dissect cases this old?
I watched the whole trial and I felt that Jodi converting to Mormonism and trying to portray herself as the perfect Mormon wife and morphing her personality to fit previous relationships spoke to her unstable self ideation.
Ms. Blonde Chaos Me too, but I’m not sure why I’m watching. Jodi Arias seems like such a shallow, boring personality, She seems so bland that I guess I do wonder where all the rage came from. Don’t buy the self-defense thing at all.
Isn't murdering and stalking someone pretty dysfunctional behavior, categorically implying mental unwell-being? Isn't the inability to function properly in society the reason we diagnose disorders in the first place? Might be wrong tho, someone clear me up.
Jealousy can induce rage and I think in this case it’s true as simple reactive behavior. Her psychosis may have came in her trial as she was cold as ice and perpetuating 100 lies and vengefully targeted his family. Her testimony was chilling compared to her other sweet persona! We saw a dichotomy of opposite personas! The chilling effect of that made the audience feel she was very evil with BPD and Narcissism I thought!
Such an unpopular pov ...that I happen to agree with! OF COURSE nothing justifies her murdering him. THAT SAID (Which will be ignored by many) He kept shining her on KNOWING there was a vast diff in interest. KNOWING she had very unhealthy attachment issues. "But she was threatening to off herself" oh PU- LEEZE. 1) Its extremely rare that ppl who actually do so. threaten it in advance- espcly several times over. 2) if he didn't know how to handle that w/o sleeping with her- he shouldve consulted a mental health pro to advise him 3) He wanted to have an easy access woman on the back burner& at his beck & call for "hormonal emergencies" at the expense of a very unwell person. Thank you for your balanced, critical thinking brain. Dr. G advised that Travis probably didn't have alot of info about stalkers. It's not stalking if you continue to invite them over when you want him/her around. BOTH Travis & Jodi were not well ppl. That's probably why they were attracted to each other to begin with. I call it "Spidey senses" ("theres just something about her/him that Im attracted to, but I cant put my finger on it". Yeah...its what lies beneath..in both of you, that will manifest after the newness starts to wane...whether good or bad).In this case BAD! And it's why ppl keep attracting the same person ("I can't believe- 5mo- I find out I'm with another alcoholic" . Your spider senses knew) Until you repair what's in you that attracts alcoholics (for example) you will keep attracting alcoholics).
@@Anabee3 I think there is something about finding oneself with the same 'type' of partner. I've seen it with others. Some are so desperate they go for Chad, and most Chads have the same M.O. One friend clearly had Daddy issues. Another ended up with heavy drinkers as she was always 2nd last out of the bar.
Arias planned every detail of the murder-how much gas to carry in three gas cans, turning off her cell phone, removing licenses,etc. She even snuck into his house through the pet door on an earlier visit. She stalked her victim day after day.
The stigma around BPD breaks my heart. I had a diagnosis of BPD when I was in my early 20s, which later on was decided to be a misdiagnosis, and I was then told I most likely have C-PTSD and was acting out in order to cope with past traumas. I was so upset when I was initially diagnosed with BPD that I started to loathe myself and felt helpless. When I eventually grew out of my self destructive phase and was told I probably don't have BPD, I was so relieved that I cried. I felt like I was suddenly worthy of being helped in a strange way... It just saddens me that not only men, but women themselves put down their own gender and perpetuate this stigma of "the crazy ex girlfriend." The word "crazy" is hurtful, and when it comes down to it, we're talking about a human being who is suffering greatly. A little bit more sympathy would go a long way. (By the way, I am not saying what Jodi did deserves sympathy. I'm just trying to shed a different light on the topic of mentally ill women and people with BPD)
I think she planned to give Travis one last chance to take her on the trip to Cancun. When he finally refused for the last time, that’s when she lured him into the shower and killed him. He was simply NOT going to leave her behind when he went to Cancun. I think it could have gone either way, depending on his final decision.
@@troycambo what are you talking about? She completely made up the pedo story to try and get out of the murder charge. She didn't mention it after sentencing. She clearly had a huge motive to lie and a lie is exactly what it was!
OMG You really show your HEART when you defend people with mental health issues. THANK YOU SO MUCH! It is so difficult to have compassion for those who are violent, but your comments bring us back to reality - that mental illness is not a statement of worthlessness or evil. Thank you.
BPD would probably be a compliment to her....shes a very complicated individual and your assessment, narcissist, is likely far more accurate... very good assessment..... Thank you Todd!
@@livingintheforest3963 Yes, I am starting to see a parallel with Chris Watts and beginning to think psychopathy. Staged burglary to get a gun and took it with her to Arizona.
I’ve read quite a bit about the case, and according to Jodi’s family she had affective instability since she was a teenager to the point where her family thought she might have bipolar disorder. She also described having a general deep rage in emails to Travis and expressed extreme anger toward certain people, particularly her mother. She described having a vague sense of self and a feeling of emptiness in diaries. . . . I don’t think this is Dr. Grande’s most thorough assessment.
And you don’t have to have suicide attempts but rather constant thoughts of suicide which are noted in her journal. Also she split quite a bit. Travis was the best until he wasn’t then he was the worst. Her going to the guys house and dry humping him right after the murder again relationship instability and jumping from one man to the next due to fear of abandonment. His assessment made for a great discussion but I think she leans much more toward BPD than narcissism
I realize I’m late to this video...but you’re 100% WRONG on SO many levels. I’m actually shocked you made this video w/out doing more research. I’ve watched many studies on Arias, read books & also watched every hour of the entire trial. Everything you stated she actually spoke about in her OWN journal. She said verbatim...”I feel so empty inside & just want to end it all.” Her family had a very tumultuous relationship w her...due to paranoia. Her own parents spoke to Esteban Flores (the day after she was arrested) about how she’s been “a little strange” for many many years....never allowing her family in her own home. Her mom begged her to get help. Arias’s moods would scarily shift from one min to the next & that frightened her mother. Her friends would call her parents in the mid of the night to get her help...years before meeting Alexander. Also, the entire murder WAS calculated & 100% premeditated. She went to great lengths (which many people addressed in the comments) to prepare (stealing the 22) covering her tracks, gathered supplies, disguised herself/hair, rented a car outta of her city & altered the license plates, stopped at an ex bf for extra gas cans, disabled her phone while in AZ & so on & on & on & on. She’s clearly sociopathic & possibly has BPD. I feel like a tremendous amount of research needed to be done before this video was made. Oh & it’s blatantly obvious regarding the photos. Actually common sense. She coaxed him in the shower to take pictures of him in there so he’s naked & vulnerable & trapped in a tiny shower stall. But she didn’t plan very well. Alexander put up a fight. But since she stabbed him in the heart first...he most likely stood up from being seated in the stall...coughed blood into the sink. Hence the blood splatter pattern. And while in shock, she repeatedly stabbed him in the back & head. He prob stumbled down the hallway to escape & collapsed. She then slit his throat & from the photos on his camera, she dragged him back into the shower to rinse off the DNA. (Evidence photo of her dragging his dead body back into the bathroom). That is where she took one more blow out on him & shot him in the head. The shell casing was found on TOP of a pool of blood. The part of his skull where he was shot would’ve taken him down instantly. The bullet came last. That’s been proven. Ok, my rant is done. I watched that trial & the difference done.
Totally concur! I have just watched another video, this being the second and won't be subscribing. Rather than to study the situation on it's own merits, some experts may choose exert their academic definitions that they are accustomed to as the measure and standard. How is that textbook truth any helpful? As if it makes any difference to one of the most gruesome crimes ever! My heart goes out to Travis and his family. RIP
Another thing that not many notice is that in a recorded interogation interview she says the EXACT day their 5 month relationship ended (June 29th) and its reported she stabbed him 29 times. The entire murder was definetly premeditated and very personal/rage filled. Theres a record online of all of their texts, emails, her journal entries and time markers that also show he allegedly was going to take Jodi to Cancun then after talking to his close friends about Mimi he called the company to change Jodi from his plus one to Mimi and told Jodi that it was cancelled but she found out the truth that he wanted to take Mimi instead of her. I think this escalated to her revealing and threatening to show the church the phone sex recordings she took of them and that explains the explosive text exchange between the two right before the murder when he says multiple things about her ruining/ going to ruin his life etc. When the blackmail didnt work and she realized he was taking another girl (Mimi) seriously she became enraged, planned the whole thing out, popped up at his house 'for sex' (many reports of her just showing up in his house unexpected and even crawling through the doggy door). She had sex with him one last time, took the risque pics to try and seduce him into what she wanted one last time and when it wasnt enough still, she went through with the plan. She is coldblooded. Even after the victims family statement when they said they hope and pray he wasnt alive still when she sawed at his throat Jodi got right up and said 'I actually do remember he was still alive when his throat was cut' (not exact quote but the video is on here), she continued even after to assasinate his character on the stand and torment his family one last time with her statement.
also i've seen some reports that she originally wanted to attack Mimi and interestingly enough RIGHT as she was getting arrested she was getting ready to leave and had a knife and some other things in her car. I cant believe she honestly thinks an appeal till this day will do her any good, she completely butchered him
Dana, I agree with you! I was so shocked at his opinion on Jodi.. I too, watched every second of the story: Their relationship, murder, arrest and trial... If this doesn’t fit “premeditated, then term shouldn’t exist in any court! Last I heard, she was “running the show” in prison! As well, many fans sending her money, and letters of adoration!I’m not trained enough to give her diagnosis, but I know 2
I think there was more than just the gas cans that pointed at premeditation. Each point may just be a grain of sand, but together it’s a pile that would reasonably conclude premeditation. Gas Cans: she borrowed 2 and bought 1 more then lied about returning the extra 1. She normally used 2 on long trips, not three, so that is suspicious. Cellphone: she turned off her cellphone (or it died as she claims) before she got to Travis’ house and it didn’t turn back on until she was on the HWY to Ryan’s house. Rental Car & License Plate: she rented a car in a different city from where she lived and took off the license plate. (A cop testified to pulling her over because the license plate was upside down) Hair change: she went from blonde to brunette right before the trip. Gun: a .25 caliber gun was stolen from her grandmothers home days before Travis was killed, the same caliber he was shot with. Edit: typo
OMG21ization I think for some people it’s hard for them to reconcile in their minds that a woman, especially an attractive one, could commit an especially heinous murder without provocation. But obviously, women can be just as evil as men (#equality lol jk). I think they both played games, but it wasn’t anything out of the norm of the typical dysfunctional on-again-off-again relationships out there - at least on the surface & in the beginning. I agree he was too immature to settle down, and she went beyond the norm with the hacking into his emails, crazy texts, stalking - yikes. I did read about Travis’ upbringing & t was sad. But I think Jodi probably has a seductively charming personality, almost like a psychopath, so I think that’s a trap many men could have fallen into.
Vanessa yes she premeditated the murder, and thought she was going to get away with it, but thanks to the prosecution JM, she was exposed in plain sight.
No question and she would have qualified for premeditation even if it was just in a few moments too. It doesn’t have to be this elaborate and usually isn’t-they have premeditation out the ass in the case in the crime itself (knife + gun in shower)
@@vanessaspeaks I was going to contribute along the lines that you did until I read your posts ! - the gas cans as well as her lie about returning one as well as switching off the phone definitely pointed to premeditation to avoid being traced to the area, removing the plates, the "stolen" gun - you have covered all the bases. She most likely encouraged him to take a shower on the pretence of taking photographs because he would have been naked, unguarded, nothing to reach for to defend himself and at his most vulnerable, otherwise he could have overpowered her. She claimed it was his idea whereas it came out from one of her many ex's that she encouraged him to do this also. This most likely proves premeditation. The sexual encounter between them also indicates premeditation in order to put him at ease. Don't forget he had emailed her shortly before saying she was a "sociopath" had conned him and treated him like a "dildo with a heartbeat" and what the prosecution said was "prophetic" the worst thing that ever happened to him. I have some experience of covert narcissists in particular and sex and charm as you suggest are one of their main weapons of manipulation. His email sparked a "narcissistic injury" where they are at their very most dangerous. It is very obvious the power she had over him even though he knew what she was. The on and off again is called "trauma bonding" - effectively he was addicted to her even knowing what she was and covert narcissists routinely reel back in old ex's and view them as their property. They also "project" and accuse the victims of their abuse of what they are doing and you heard plenty at trial of her accusing Travis of abuse and manipulation - they always tell on themselves- Incidentally the photo's she took of him and he of her she remembered to delete but were retrieved even after she put the thing in the wash. No one stabs someone - front and back over two dozen times, slash them in the throat and shoot them in the head in order to "defend" themselves.
She doesn't seem exceedingly impulsive actually I'd say she seems balanced there which is what allowed her to carry out what she did. I've met many people with quite serious BPD and she did not come across as BPD at all. Rather I think she has NPD fairly moderately and ASPD quite seriously. She was quite emotionless in the way she handled herself.
@@maishadigital8410 There is a disorder that combines psychopathy and narcissism. It's called "malignant narcissism" and it's basically code for evil. Think Hitler, Stalin, etc.
I love your content on murderers. I hope you keep going, maybe delving into true crime themes more and more. I've always wondered about their mental states, very rarely explored other than some shallow descriptions.
Wouldn't think you'd need to say "dont have sex with someone that's obsessed or stalking", but it happens so much!!! Odd. People can really get stuck together...
well for some it's hard to turn down desperate sex, especially if he was a bit of a player. Not stuck together, just very convenient for this guy, in some ways taking advantage of her, while she also fooled herself.
@@dodgeplow She was probably wild and passionate in bed, and/or did whatever kinky shit and rough sex he liked. Those women are rare to come by and usually quite hot-headed and prone to fits of rage and mood swings. It's hard to walk away from those types of women. Particularly if you're a man with high sex drive. Just sayin' 😂
@@Johnnybomb1 Been there my friend. I had one of those years back. Passionate, and totally erotic but very prone to, well lets just say times when you just wanted to get the hell out of there. Oh, beautiful on top of it. Still know her but at arms length only. Been tempted but I know better. Older and wiser. They are out there. Be careful, Ha!!
He obviously did not deserve to be murdered. He was, however, a hypocritical Mormon who claimed to be a 30 year old virgin. LDS will excommunicate members for sex outside of marriage, so he had a lot to lose if their sexual relationship was made public. She converted to his faith and I believe she thought he would marry her. When the truth became clear, that she would never be more than a side piece, she went for revenge. She is where she belongs now.
After seeing about 2 hours of Arias on JCS, she seemed bright, articulate and a pathological liar. Wishing you and all, a healthy, prosperous 2021. Thank you for your very interesting programs, Dr. Grande.
The stalking, slashing of his tires, threatening his new love interest and then murder are all very bad signs. Also the horrific way he was killed. I was surprised Anti Social Personality Disorder wasn't mentioned more in this case... but I'm not sure if there also must be a definitive diagnosis of NPD to draw that conclusion. Very interesting assessment, Dr. Grande.
Anarcho Frills BPD and ASPD can be comorbid, it’s not uncommon for them to be co-occurring. So someone with both BPD and ASPD could have an anxious/preoccupied attachment style.
@Anarcho Frills Hmmm yeah, I won't argue because you're right about the conduct disorder thing I didn't think of that. Though one thing that strikes me as odd, is how calm she is in her interviews with TV networks, and how she was able to con and manipulate fellow inmates (one got tattooed by Jodi) so easily. I know everyone with BPD is not the same but I can't imagine a someone with BPD being so calm and clear headed in the face of getting life in prison and such. So much so that they are friendly with interviewers and able to so easily manipulate inmates. I would say if she has BPD she at least has more narcissistic traits than the average borderline as I would think those with NPD are more calm in the face of stuff like being accused of murder. Or I guess she's just like the one BPD woman super in control of how they outwardly express emotion.
@@laproserpina2620 the intense emotions of BPD would not have been present because she wasn't being abandoned by the reporter. Travis rejecting her, however, would have. BPD is about interpersonal relationships more than anything, so the closer and more emotionally dependent you get the worse the reaction. With strangers, there is no reason to feel that way, you're not being abandoned, they are just there to ask questions. If the reporter asked her a question like, "but, Travis made it clear he did not want you," she probably would have reacted much more strongly because it's triggering her to remember his rejection. Just giving another perspective about what you said. I think it's entirely possible she is this calm here, because she's trying to look good to the public. She would be thinking much more rationally than she would in a situation where someone she loves or feels she needs rejects her. The reporter is just some rando. Maybe she'd care if they didn't like her, because borderlines are very sensitive to criticism or not being liked, but it still would never bring out the reaction Travis saw, Travis was the object of her attention, her goal, and for her it probably felt like that goal was being crushed by him. I have borderline, BTW, and I've done a lot of research, so that's just my opinion, but I can see how that would work. I am not homicidal, never have been, but I've definitely been highly emotional and irrational over relationship issues that brought separation to the table. I could definitely see how seeing somebody for a long time and them playing with you would set someone who's already vulnerable to rejection off.
I discovered your channel recently and this is an excellent example of why I appreciate your commentary. I was diagnosed with BPD several years ago, and for me, it was like the lights turning on in a dark room. I hate the stigma surrounding it, inside and outside mental health settings (I’ve had some mental health professionals be truly awful), and I feel like BPD is completely misunderstood by most people.
Jodi Arias's grandmother said that Jodi would become a obsessive over all the guys she dates. She said she was always worried about her because she was vulnerable because of the fact that she becomes obsessed and then ends up being hurt when they leave her.
Thank you so much for pointing out that not all people with personality disorders are evil. Just like all of us humans, it is the ACT that is evil...not the person. I get concerned when words like evil are used to describe mental health conditions.
@@lisalissner1070 I know my pont of view is controversial.. However, no I wouldn't use the term to discribe Dahmer when considering his mental state. I might use the term if I was viewing his behaviour from a moral or religious stand point though.
I agree with you. Evil is a judgment of mortality. We don't use the word evil to describe someone's behavior in the mental health world. At least not in my experience. People can behave in so many ways unrelated to their diagnoses. They have feelings and desires independent of it. When I worked inpatient we would joke that "jerk" isn't a diagnosis. We call that acting out. People would wreck havoc for secondary gain.
@@lisalissner1070 He did evil things. That's the distinction we're making, that people aren't evil because they have a disorder, they're evil if they do evil things.
Nicolette James it it really is helpful to think of it that way-it’s why people should be diagnosed taking the index crime out of the equation as much as possible.
the fact that being a regular murderer is somehow better than being a murderer with borderline personality... thank you for pointing this out. I have BPD but I have done years of therapy and many of my symptoms are diminished or non-existent. I would never murder someone no matter how angry or afraid I was.
A great analysis. People are really quick to diagnose and all, but even experts differ in opinion. I can only hope anyone seeking mental health care finds an individual as qualified and committed as Dr. Grande. Even just watching these videos makes me feel calmer and more rational in the face of the sheer amount of info and stimuli pouring in from the world :) The voice of Reason!
Travis was inviting Jodi to his house and then telling others that he had cut things off. He wasn't being honest. His ex Deanna saw her at Travis' house and told her to be more careful next time.
Nor was she, they both agreed to separate but still slept together. She would also turn up uninvited and end up sleeping together. He did tell her he was moving on and was interested in another girl and looking for a wife. She also told him she was moving on. She also stalked him
Yeah. Kinda messed up, him being in a relationship, but I mean, I wouldn’t want anything except maybe a quickly with a crazy bitch like that myself. I wouldn’t want any of my friends knowing I was seeing someone like that.
@@kierankennedy6971 - This is thing - Travis expected to use Arias for the odd "quicky", and God knows what he was telling her to make that palatable to her, and expected no come back.
I am not an expert on the issue but "premeditation" in criminal law is trickier than "planed out in advance." If I have an argument with a roommate, then go to my room, and come out with a gun 10 minutes later and kill him, it would be premeditated because in those 10 minutes I formed the intention to kill him and acquired the weapon to act on that intention, as opposed to an impulse murder where I get mad during the argument and grab whatever is on the coffee table and hit him in the head with the intention to kill. So, taking pictures might be consistent with premeditation. Then again, I am not an expert. But that possible disagreement aside, your videos are really insightful! Thanks for making them!
Surprised you didn't mention this: when Arias spoke at her sentencing, admitting that she did it, she said that he was alive up until the point the knife went in (if I remember correctly). This was likely not true, but it would have taken away the hope/comfort of his family that he died relatively quickly. So she said it to brag and also to take a "dig" at Alexander's family, getting the last laugh, so to speak. Interesting topic.
Well, as a nurse, I was always of the opinion that once someone whom you’re dating has threatened suicide, your friendship and emotional support could still be offered but it might be better to cool any ongoing romantic relationship with him/her. But those are only my feelings.
Thanks for taking the time to give this a good amount of thought Dr. Grande. I've spent a lot of time being and armchair detective in this case, and many other cases. You mentioned something very important here, depending on which side of the fence you're on depends on the appropriate label to stick on someone. I consistently see the same thing happen with whomever the victim might be in a case like this, where the victim is no longer there to be questioned. What I mean by this is that, the victim is portrayed as somewhat of an angel, there isn't a whole lot of 'dirt' brought up on them during the case/investigation. No, I'm not encouraging anyone to create a smear campaign or try to stick something on someone who is unfortunately dead, but it is important to know that there are two sides to every story, two peas in the pod. In this case in particular, if you spend enough time looking in to things you will realise that Travis was no angel, and could quite possibly have had some impact on the actions of Jodi. I'm by no means a Jodi 'white knight', she is an adult and is responsible for her actions. If you look at the Ezra McCandless case, you see a lot of the same 'legal' response/approach. The legal system leaves a lot of room for improvement, in particular the need for a more open book honest approach.
Thank you for examining Jodia Arias. Her behaviour during the trial was quite chilling. One thing I'd like to ask is whether you could do a video addressing the difference between PTSD and BDP as quite a number of women who have been through traumatic events and developed PTSD were revealed to have been diagnosed - incorrectly - with BPD by professionals who were not aware of the trauma. Thanks again for another insightful analysis.
@@REFORM.UK-2029 idk, I'm not 100% convinced that she did it. Nothing about that case makes sense. Her husband divorced and remarried after 15 years standing by her. Their baby died at age 15 from some disease; sorry I can't remember exactly from what. Sad....
How the hell do you fight harder against someone who has a gun? If the gunshot came first he was incapacitated. If the knife attack came first he was probably surprised. If he could have avoided dying I'm sure he would have beat the hell out of her if it was a possibility. I don't buy into the idea he died because he was too nice.
@@simonw1313 As I recall, the forensic people deduced that she stabbed him in the back in the shower first d/t the blood spatter from his respiratory tract in the sink when he stumbled out. If no vital organs had been hit, 1 well-placed elbow to her face may've saved him. He was not a violent man, just too naive, and he let sex get the better of him.
Thank you for doing this one. I watched almost all of this trial when it was happening & Jodi really gave me an uneasy feeling. I don’t know how someone can do what she did to Travis & think that SHE is the “victim”!! She’s scary & I am glad the jury didn’t “fall” for her act. She’s where she belongs & should NEVER be released.
Amen to that!! I absolutely agree! I watched too, from the arrest to verdict. She is right where she belongs! She is narcissistic, psychotic, and well, just a plain old murderer to me! She plotted to kill him to me. Her and travis did have a twisted relationship. Yes, he used her, but she was a willing participant. Say what you will, she could have walked away...she wasnt a victim of Mr. Alexander! He was a victim Jodi Arias!!!
@@ishootbishez Jodi thought Mimi Hall (the woman) and Travis were exclusive which pissed her off which is definitely crazy. I agree that killing him because of jealousy was crazy
I think Jodi wanted to Travis back and when she travelled to his house she was hoping that she could "fix" it with him - maybe blackmailing him under pressure by saying she will expose the sexual photos to his family which would have been bad for his family as mormone. But the plan back fired. Travis sent her off and then her plan B to kill him came into action. Thats what I think
I really appreciated your sensitivity when talking about specific disorders and when i watch you i dont hear the stigma showing through your opinion like i would usually expect. when it comes to BPD specifically there is an alarming amount of mental health professionals that fully buy into the stigma and pass it along to others. I was so glad to not see that in this video.
Always appreciate your insight. Great content! 100% agree that the BPD diagnosis used in trial was weaponized, I didn't like this either. The way it was protrayed definitely further stigmatizes this disorder. I also do not think that was the appropriate diagnosis for her as well. However I do think there were symptoms of identity disturbance, I think I saw evidence of an unstable self-image. I'm not sure if you reviewed video clips of her interrogation, but it seems she trys to exhibit this religious complex (holy, peaceful, gentle, docile) but obviously her violent and agressive behaviors don't align with this. Very interesting case for us mental health/psych junkies, but very tragic and heartbreaking circumstance for the families. My heart goes out to those affected. Thanks for sharing! 🙏🏾
Yup so she tried saying she didnt do all those things to really lessen her time but there is smart lawyers that asked the tough questions and the cops that gave the pictures for the judge and lawyer to see so she wasnt able to lie no more.
I've learned so dang much about mental health from these videos. I originally came to this channel to watch a video about L Ron Hubbard, and the next thing you know I'm learning about narcissistic behaviors and red flags in relationships. Dr. G is the gold standard of what every single content creator should aspire to be. I'm super grateful for this channel. Everyone else is playing checkers while this guy is playing 4D chess. Dr. G if you're reading this, you also inspired me to go back to school. I decided I want to be a nurse at a mental health unit to help other veterans experiencing mental health issues. Not going to lie, there's a mountain of schooling ahead of me, but for the first time in a really long time, I'm excited and optimistic about the future. Thanks Dr. Grande!
these 2 (Travis and Jodi) really are just a perfect storm. He was perfectly willing to exploit her emotional state / personality for sex as long as it suited him. Wonder what DSM diagnosis HE would receive?
Arias say she toke the inisiative many times. It's not clear to me that he was exploiting her for sex. I wonder if you will say the same of a woman killed by a man that was havin sex with her. Was she exploiting him for sex? or maybe she was exploiting him because he pay for the dates? You sound like a typical machista blaming the victim.
Exploited for sex? Like women can't enjoy sex in different forms. No no no, when it comes to bed, it's always a man, who gets pleasure and exploits poor women
This was excellent - thank you! I’m a new subscriber and I especially appreciated the way you talk about the complexity of the intersection between psychology and the law.
One other thing that I haven't heard mentioned. The fact that Jodi had one final roll in the sack with Travis before killing him, what does that say about her? It seems similar to something a serial killer would do. I don't know if sadistic is the right word to describe it but predatory maybe, particularly if she had in fact by that point decided she was going to kill him.
No, she was on the fence while in bed with him. It was only when he said that he was going to take a vacation with Mimi when she asked him about his holiday plans that she then came to the conclusion that there was a zero percent chance of her getting married to him instead of the one percent chance that she was desperately clinging to. I think she thought that maybe if she was good enough in bed, she could convince him to dump Mimi and get married to her instead. But despite her best effort in bed that night, it wasn't good enough to change Trevor's mind. At that point, she lost all hope, and decided that the only way to end her involuntary torturous obsession would be to get rid of the object of her obsession. Then she wouldn't have to be tortured for the rest of her life with the thought of Mimi and Trevor canoodling with each other and not her (although I think she might have been willing to have a Sister Wives Fundamentalist Utah thing going on with Mimi, but unfortunately for Jodi, I'm guessing Travis only wanted to have a monogamous marriage, and not a plural marriage).
Did you watch the trial? She took pictures of Travis in the shower in order to get him in a vulnerable position. She was also overconfident about her ability to wipe the images off of the camera which was unsuccessful as we know now. She reported chronic feelings of emptiness to Dr. DeMarte. Affective instability: she adapted her affect to any particular situation according to what might help her. About her history of anger ...exhibited to her mother in particular, in her confrontation with Bianca and other examples. Ryan Burns testified to her plan to see him. Travis was vulnerable from the start bc of his background. He wanted to trust people who didn't deserve it.
1) She went there with a gun, premeditated. 2) She didn't just kill him, she mutilated him. Shot him in the face & cut his throat ear to ear. 3) Lied to the police, at least three different stories. 4) Relatively cool under interrogation, calculating/manipulative. The innocent little girl persona was apparent. 5) Complete lack of remorse, even seeing another sexual partner immediately after the gruesome murder. 6) Still maintains her innocence to this day. She may not have any prior police history but it would be interesting to speak to people who knew here before all of this happened. I suspect she is a high-functioning psychopath, the covert deceptive kind who one day overstretched her ability to deceive.
I think she is CONtrolling more than suffering from fears of abandonment. If she wants the breakup, all is well but in the case of Travis, he was a player and she wanted commitment. She couldn't get what she wanted from him so she made sure he paid the ultimate price for not complying with her agendas.
Hundreds of men do this to women who reject them every year. This is more common among men who are rejected. Its only a story because its a woman acting like a rejected man.
Yes my mother hasn't been diagnosed but her lack of empathizing and listening to people is there and caused my bpd rage since I was a little girl. She thinks she is the way she is and is never going to change, we have always had a hard time getting along.
I feel like she actually meets all of the criteria that you’re claiming she doesn’t. I don’t think I have any special access to information, either. With a little more research, or watching the trial and testimonies, it’s clear that she had a pattern of volatile relationships, unstable sense of self, feelings of emptiness, and suicidal gestures/threats. Look a bit deeper and I feel like your opinion might change.
thanks for this video! this was for sure premeditated 1st-degree murder. I am not sure though if she also intended to change Travis' mind as to who he was taking to Cancun, the day of the murder. So if she succeeded she wouldn't kill him and if he still was going to take another woman then she would go ahead with the murder as planned.
Dr. Todd must walk around seeing things on another level than the average person. His description and breakdown of events always leaves me with a deeper understanding of what happened and I tend to feel these people are far crazier than I ever previously knew. Like, yes you can get someone is insane, but Dr. Todd opens your eyes to just *how* crazy. The world can be very scary and I hope gathering information from his channel can help protect me in the future with noticing signs and help me to not interact with crazy
Thanks Dr Grande for your analysis and opinion on this case. I have always wondered about the borderline diagnosis of Arias. She was cross examined for something like 15? days and had a very cool, at times belligerent attitude in court. She has never admitted to it being a pre meditated murder so I guess we will never know truly what was going on when she did it but she is certainly a very dangerous individual who is exactly where she belongs. The ferocity of the crime speaks to a very angry young woman. Really enjoying your take on these high profile cases.
Thank you for this video. I watched the Arias trial and read a few books on it. The psychologist for the prosecution; Dr. Janeen Demartes in my opinion, really outlined the reasons why her evaluation of Arias as having borderline personality disorder was very convincing. While i am no psychologist and value your expertise, i do disagree with the fact that Arias did not premeditate the murderof Mr. Alexander. I believe she went to Arizona for the very reason to kill Alexander and the gas cans that she used so not to have to stop along the way is just one example that proves premeditation. Her chameleon like personality with each of her boyfriends was very riviting. She "became" what they were or wanted her to be. I do agree with you that someone who is obsessed with you , you should not sleep with them.
If you want to know a lot about Jodi Aries, talk to the correction officers guarding her. You can learn a lot about a person by merely watching them everyday.
Dude. I completely disagree with you about the borderline personality disorder. First of all, it's interpersonal relationships instability, not just romantic relationships. There is evidence of instability in her INTERPERSONAL relationships, that's why she had no friends besides the ex boyfriends and one childhood friend. Second, how do you not see identity disturbance? She was constantly transforming herself to fit into whichever environment she was in and whoever she was around. Including during the trial when she became Wilmot's mini me. Her own ex boyfriend said she did this while she was with him to make herself look like his ex wife by dying her hair, getting breast implants, and buying the same kind of car his ex drove. If that's not proof then I don't know what is. Third, she said herself that she felt empty inside, constantly. She said she felt empty most of her life. And you said you don't see evidence of impulsivity, but you can clearly see evidence of that if you pay attention. When she found out Matt had moved on after he broke up with her she left her job immediately to drive over an hour away to his new girlfriend's dorm. When things that Travis did made her unhappy she would just leave those jobs to drive 5 hours so that she could confront him. She did these things constantly. There are a few other things you got wrong, but I'm not going to type it all out, but I will say that I don't believe it was her personality disorder that made her kill him. She is just evil. Plain and simple. And she was convicted in 2013, not 2015.
I agree 100%. I think she definitely had BPD and is a pretty good textbook case even. I am not nor have I ever been homicidal, but the entire time listening to Dr. Grande and everything else I've seen about the case, that's all I could think. I have borderline and even though I'm not remotely violent, I could see in her behavior lots of things I recognize, like, can relate to or see how she did what she did. I could feel an actual reaction in me to what he did, and see how I'd have lost it if I really cared about him. Travis's back and forth would have been very difficult for someone with BPD, it was like a perfect storm
@@SummeRain783 There are too many disorders that are easily confused with one another because of the similarities in symptoms, but I'm going to go with the Doctor's opinion considering she's the one who evaluated and tested her.
"Sometimes people just do bad things. There's not always a disorder that goes along with that".
THANK YOU for pointing this out!
I don't think anyone was really labelling her, her lying speaks for herself. She is a pathological liar and that is clear enough..
“Disorder” is just a term for the medical mafia to use to continuously push deadly drugs into humanity.
Best thing ever said.
To me that was a completely unscientific statement.
@@KutWrite so? Sometimes that’s the way life is.
I love the lesson at the end: Sometimes people do terrible things. Associating those terrible things with mental disorders could exacerbate the stigma of mental illness. Thank you for this thoughtful video, Dr. Grande.
@@leescuderi8331 Men actually say that line?
While I think that it's possible sometimes for "normal" people to do bad things, it's far more unlikely. It's probably safe to assume that a person who commits a crime like this is indeed disordered.
@@TriXorcist Agreed. Narcissistic abuse is definitely a thing. To say that there is a "stigma" and that it's bad and hurts those with cluster B personality disorders is an injustice to those who have suffered at the hands of these individuals. They obviously need help but most of them don't seek out genuine help and a lot continue to abuse others. This is coming from someone who has been in more than one abusive relationships with actual diagnosed cluster B's and have known MANY people who have been with either diagnosed or obviously disordered individuals. I know the damage it causes. I've lived it and I've seen it up close and personal. Instead of being so worried about these people why not worry about their victims?! I see so many people protecting these abusers and don't care to help those who were abused by these disordered individuals.
@@LuvBugBlaqkHart because you can't put everyone in a bag as "cluster B". You never really hear about the people in cluster B, also a lot of abuse comes from borderline or histrionic people who hurt themselves more than they hurt others, we've all met borderline or ASPD people who are less intense on the scale and who haven't hurt anyone but they'd never admit to having these disorders because of the stigma that you have to be bad.
I agree abuse is a serious issues and there are many NPD and ASPD people that take the trophy at committing the worst crimes. But what about the majority of people with some traits and how about the people who barely qualify. You can bet that by statistics alone at large many more people have traits, then more people barely qualify and then some 1 or 2% are the ones who fully qualify and a much lesser amount are the ones much worse, with higher scores and more symptoms in the list.
So we hear a lot from the very worst in the list...
Since schizophrenia is hard to hide, we know better that there's some that hurt others more and are violent and other that live in torment too but don't bother anyone. And we know that only the much, much worse in the spectrum tend to commit crimes.
I think the trend is a little different for cluster B and other PDs but I'm pretty sure that the super negative perception is a little bit because most people with only traits or who qualify but are not high in the spectrum do not out themselves out of fear but mostly live without doing much harm.
There's a neuroscientist that made brain images of people with ASPD like mainly serial killers and the found out he had the same type of brain image (fMRI), but he's a good worker, father, has not committed any crimes, he maybe just is not very emotional & uses his mind on his research & career ? How many sorta 'cold' people are there who are inventors, scientists, legislators etc.
Just because we only hear from the worst of the worst doesn't mean we know what the average or low on the spectrum majority are all abusers, in my clinical experience is that like I said most people have traits, of a few PDs, then there's people who barely qualify, and the people that do qualify & are just as problematic as your typical neurotic person. But when you go to the low functioning, these people don't blend in, they can't hide they have these disorders because of impulsivity & crimes.
But you will never really hear from the people who are less afflicted with those diseases or of victims of those people.
What you hear on the media and catches your attention is the extremes.
Now I'm not saying those PDs aren't bad, they are, but just like all there PDs most who do shit like consistently abuse their partners are the low functioning, worst part of the spectrum and it's that way for most disorders, and even for "normal" people. What you see in jails are normally the people who've have the worst lives, poverty, traumas, bad friends, etc.
So just a thought from my experience with people clinically. You can't put everybody in one big box and say they're all abusive. mentally ill does not equal evil.
@@LuvBugBlaqkHart I agree with you .
My feeling is that the fear of Travis being with another woman was far greater than the fear of jail. There was an aura of peace about her during her police interviews, she didn't care about the consequences because her greatest fear had gone.
Bingo! I think you are exactly right! The fear of him being with another woman probably made her feel so rejected and now he can't be with another woman so that rejection is off the table and jail looks better to her than rejection.
@@lisayappel4029 yep! She had peace.
@@lisayappel4029 you are probably right but what a sad way to think.
I love the way Dr Grande breaks it down
It is a sad way to this k. But some psychologically messed ups mpeople think this way. They feel unloved and unloveable and rejection to them is the worst thing.
Sorry for all the typos.
You’re brilliant. Thanks for pointing out that the majority of people with BPD aren’t violent or “bad” as there is so much stigma attached to a disorder that is already so hard to live with.
straight out jealousy, in my opinion.
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Borderline personalities are usually empaths.
@@veronikabohrn9520 ... Very true! Typically we're very highly sensitive people who are MORE LIKELY to HURT OURSELVES (privately and desperately to to hide it) OR KILL OURSELVES. We're usually, not all BUT most I would personally say, are the LEAST LIKELY to PURPOSELY HURT OTHERS (extreme shame, guilt and depression occurs after realizing that we've hurt someone), much less actually attempt or succeed in taking someone's life with absolutely no remorse or anyone noticing a change in the person's behavior (like one would assume one would notice if less than 24 hours earlier, someone was murdered by them).... you know what I mean?
@@mamabear-9.18.18 Stacy has to be the most appropriate name for someone that has BPD.
During one of her interviews, while applying mascara she said: "I'm glad to see this is waterproof. I don't plan to cry but...you know." That was really sociopathic to me.
Can't remember that, and I watched all of her interviews, are you sure about that statement?
Oh, yes completely sociopath.
@@laurenmay2098 Yes, I saw it too, it's exactly what she said.
@@laurenmay2098 yes she said it
Yes, sociopathic.
"Whoever hires a Mental Health clinician, gets the diagnosis they want." A truth that applies to and extrapolates the entire Justice system.
I would disagree because I have had to seek mental health treatment and have been ignored on some of my concerns before. I also know some people who have had it a lot more than I have.
Romans 12:19
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
They were talking about the Justice system
Don’t have a sexual relationship with a stalker. I can’t believe people actually have to be told this, incredible!
I’m with you!
How right you are.
Victim blaming is the best!
People are on a spectrum of complexities. Why else would we need profilers psychologists and psychiatrists.
How could they possibly know....
I think she showed up with the plan: I go to Mexico with him, he lives. He takes someone else, things go according to plan.
Yep!!
True
I bet she brought up Mexico multiple times right before her brain fog kicked in.
this seems reasonable. I struggle with her stabbing first - seems like if she wanted him dead she would have shot first. I know she said (later) that she shot first, but the forensics don’t support that. The picture of him sitting in the shower is also weird - who does that? I can see it making sense that she kept asking about the trip and he said the same things he said in his texts/emails and she snapped. Maybe stabbing is a cry for help? still can’t figure out why she’d stab first if she really wanted to kill him.
@@handsomepetevideos I think to simply torture him. Stabbing is also more a personal act. She was soo involved with him before he died and she wanted to be deeply involved in the manner he died. I think she wanted him to suffer cause I’m positive she planned his death
This was definitely premeditated. She took her license plates off when she got to travis' house so no one could take down her plates info. That in itself should be the BIGGEST sign of premeditation. She was stopped by police after killing Travis because her license plate was upside down and the one in front wasn't even on and in her car or something like that. But both license plates were on correctly when she rented the car. She turned her phone off when she left CA and was on her way to AZ so she couldn't be tracked. She didn't turn it back on until she was en route to Salt Lake City away from AZ where if it was pinged it could be believable where she lied and gave a fictictious route for her road trip (obviously leaving out the real route she took to AZ). She told police her phone died for almost 24 hrs. She later said that her phone charger was in her back seat but stated earlier she couldn't find it and that's why it was off for so long. She purposely bought the third gas can in cash. She borrowed the two others. She saved all her other receipts that weren't any near arizona they were all paid credit card. So she could show proof if necessary. When the procesecutor, Juan Martinez, confronted her about the receipt of the third gas can purchased. She lied and said she returned the gas immediately because she miscalculated on how much gas she needed. There was no return transaction for the gas can at the date and walmart location she provided. Martinez also stated that she did in fact have all 3 gas cans when she went to salt lake city after the murder of travis to her friends house. He then showed receipts of gas station fill up before she went to Travis to show separate transactions all for gas and how the three were for filing up the gas cans as they did the calculations on how much gas was, mileage, and how much the gas cans held, etc.) .Also, she was first offered a red car but declined and accepted a white car and rented it like an hour away and not in her home town. She dyed her hair so shed look different. She set up the alibi by going to that guy's house in salt lake city. She set the staged robbery where 3 insignificant items were taken from the home including cash that she had was conveniently stolen and obviously the GUN, at a time when it was one of the only times her grandparents left Jodi alone and wouldn't be back for a substantial amount of time. Jodi allegedly then left the house during that time when the robbery happened. So to summarize it all up:
1) dyed her hair right before she killed travis
2) rented a car an hour away from her home when there are several rental car companies in her town
3) turned down a red car and chose white
4) took her license plates off the car when she parked at travis when she murdered him
5) borrowed two gas cans and purchased a third in cash (transactions at gas station reflected filling up all three cans)
6) all other transactions were made by credit or debit cards in CA or near Salt Lake City and saved in a shoe box at home (no receipts or transactions made anywhere near arizona so she left no tracks of her going and being there)
7) staged a robbery at her grandparents house so she could take the gun
8) purposely turning her phone off once she went off track the route she would later lie and give police for her road trip to see her friend in Salt Lake City. And turn it back on once she was back on her fictitious route
How in the world does the above NOT prove premeditation?!??
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Definitely pre-planned Hell she even had her excuses pre-planned! Lost her battery charger.. Pasadena kids with the screwdrivers..etc The only thing she didn't have plans for was no make-up when she was arrested .Damn Jodi should have atleast put some make-up on! Yeah girl that's what you shoulda done 🤷
If he had, after their interlude, invited her to Cancun, she might have let him live...until a next time unless he married her. She called him the night before she left for Arizona...most probably to find out the whereabouts of his housemates...that we will never know. Its obvious that he was not expecting her as he didnt go out to meet her...could she have crept in through the doggy door and therefore had time to stand and watch him before Napolean acknowledged her presence...a lot of things we will never know...but it was premeditated 100%. She is pure evil. She is like a snake...that to guess that she kept flicking out drove me berserk.
My God. You hit the nail on the head.
Spot on
Jodi took her license platea off so she would not be tracked via license plate readers or cameras. Pretty interesting if it was not premeditated.
Libby Tate She definitely had murder on her mind, she had planned and was ready. It would have been different if he took Jodi on that vacation though. He would have lasted a little long, maybe.
So premeditated!
She alledgedly kept all receipts that would falsely "prove" she wasn't able to be on the scene of the crime...psychos like her have bad connection with reality... This makes them vulnerable to making stupid mistakes and easy to identify as perpetrators...
@@beanyboomer5391 so sad but very true
Let's not forget the butcher knife JA clearly brought with her as well...staying stealth was very critical detail in her plan...ie hair color changes day prior, 3 gas cans, cell phone off, disposal of her "tools" ..I'm very puzzled about TA allowed her inside his home, but perhaps explained by her telling TA that she was sorry and wanted his help in fixing the problem she had created...TA had been a very forgiving soul and JA clearly is a very seasoned pathological liar who was able to convince TA that she was remorseful and wanted redemption.
TA was in his sexual prime and hadn't had any sexual contact with a woman for some time so he was quite horny and couldn't resist JA sexual advances as she knew exactly what would get him to lay with her...one last time for old times sake...last goodbye and sealed w a kiss...and a shot in the head and a few stabs in the back and the coup de gra...grand finale...throat cut...JA is demon possessed and I have zero doubt about this.
She is a Succubus who also performed oral sex on young boys...that case was put on hold...I also wonder if she had been sexually explicit with the teenage son of her former boyfriend Derald Brewster that she lived with for a few months/years?
She doesn't have healthy relationships with her family, or long term friendships. She didn't have a healthy relationship with her school and subsequently dropped out. Her unstable sense of identity is reflected in: her taking on Travis's identity as well as defining herself by being his girlfriend, (becoming a mormon, working for the same company, wearing a shirt that says " Travis Alexander's "). Once this was threatened, it threatened her whole sense of being, leading to her emotionally disproportionate reactions.
Also, not having a direction with respect to a career. She also disconnected/ dissociated as many do during times of real or imagined abandonment. She appeared to have other traits that came out during the trial that align with ASPD and NPD. I am not diagnosing her, however I think she is a cluster B mess.
Joy Marie I like that cluster B mess lol
You’re so good
Agree 100%. I think it was unfair to ask this doc to analyze JA when he clearly knows very little about her or the case.
That is not what unstable sense of identity means. Seems like she was just obsessed with Travis, and enamored with the idea of being his girlfriend.
@@aashnachowdhury8618 As an adult she had no clear direction or idea who she was. Then she took on the " battered woman identity" and made t shirts to sell and donate the money to domestic violence organizations. I disagree Aashna. From what the psychologist said she had a very unstable sense of self identity. But this is all speculation as we don't know her or know of all the circumstances in her life. Just what the psychologist diagnosed her with.
There was a interview released about 3 days ago. It was quite long. She didn’t have any kind of trauma during childhood. She is very intelligent and manipulative. She premeditated this. She came off in the interview as a sweet, spiritual innocent woman and how could a person like her ever hurt anyone. She was portraying herself as a “nice” girl. Pure evil and she had no remorse.
You may be right that she didn’t go there to actually kill Travis. But why did she take gas cans with her so she didn’t have to stop and steal the gun from her grandparents. Her behavior in the interview room was very odd. Most likely she is a sociopath and was used by Travis. Stalking him and showing up unannounced should have raised a red flag to him, or he just ignored it.
😥 he liked the sex too much. It was his demise. He should have put her right out of his house.
I belive she's a narc. Just my opinion.
Aspd maybe? Psychopathy?
@@coreyanderson7424 For whom though? Honest question?
I suffer with BPD, and it sucks reading/hearing about how evil and manipulative people with BPD are! It is so hard coping with this illness, yet people don't get how hard it is getting through life feeling so terrible and devastated!
I bet it's the case of misdiagnosis with these people. They usually have some traits of BPD but can as well have traits of psychopathy and sociopathy. I was diagnosed with BPD, I am very impulsive but working on it. I even got more impulsive after therapy and prescribed drugs. It's better when I do it alone. I wanted to get know some borderlines and I met some really messy people. For instance I met a young man with hiv that from the very beginning of our relationship recorded me, wrote down all my details just in case something went wrong. We were friends and I helped him, for instance when he was diagnosed with possible tumor I paid the medical bills and agreed that he could stay overnight for several days in my apartment. When I was asleep he searched my things, my id etc. I told him many details of my life and about my relation with my business partner etc. One day I told him I needed more time for myself and I cannot be in such an intense relation, he trashed the recordings and the fact he has all the details about me at my face. He threatened to contract me with hiv by piercing my eye, to kill my cats, to call banks in which I had business credits and tell trash about me so they could sue me for fraud, he threated to mess with my business partner. He wanted me to pay him. I did at that moment. Fortunately I have a record of it and the record of our chat on facebook in which he reveals his threats and we talk about the case. Maybe one day I will report on him, I have 5 years to do so, 3 are left now. When he told me all these things I went into total breakdown, I cried I started to beat myself into face. We were going along the street , I begged and cried for help some people, I was crying and shaking and he was very toned and cold blood, he told the people who encountered that I am mentally ill, and that he is my friend and he will take care of me. Only after some weeks I came to conclusion I could have gone to police and report him. At first I reacted with insanity, that's how I usually react under stress situations. I am a total mess at these moments. I met also some girl, we become friends, and she often got me into very fierce discussions in which she tried to prove me that I am wrong about things we were talking about. Even if I told her ok, I am wrong about it, it doesn't matter for me, she would constantly go back to it imposing me her own beliefs on the matter.She was quite manipulative and had a prescription on every aspect of my life that were accidentally revealed in discussions. I couldn't stand that and besides she was quite nice, intelligent and interesting person I gave up this relation. Now I usu avoid new people. I think that living without diagnosis is much better. It's much more constructive to focus on different traits that can be messy in life that on diagnosis that resolves nothing. Sometime I made a look-see on the way borderlines are treated by courts here in Poland and I see that borderlines are treated much more harsh than regular people. Regular people without bd diagnosis are often treated much lighter in more serious crimes than bd.
I agree,ni have bpd too and the stigma is terrible!
I don't have BPD but I have a family member who does. I think a lot of people witness some of the behavior harmful to others, read that BPD has an associated deficit in empathy, and see that BPD is in the same class as ASPD and think, "Oh they are unhinged psychopaths". But the empathy isn't really a "lack" as a global aspect of personality generally, but something that lapses when they feel threatened, and often misses the target. It's just inaccurate sometimes. People with BPD, in my experience, tend to be very empathetic otherwise. The pain people with BPD feel is really intense even if its hard for those such as myself without it to really have a means of grasping. When someone feels threatened, of course their empathy levels are going to drop. Like if someone was being attacked by a mugger with a knife, are they going to be like, "awee, this person must have had such an awful upbringing"? No. Fight or flight is the number one concern in that moment. When someone with BPD feels threatened in the security of a relationship or whatnot, it seems to me that it's intense enough that the brain is interpreting it as a legitimate attack and responds accordingly. So I think people should try having a little more empathy for those with BPD. I'm not a clinician, that's just what I have observed having a family member with it, and having a friend with it as well.
@What i want? of course, I only was speaking to the relevant instances.
I don't believe "manipulation" is a characteristic of BPD. I think the reason why a lot of people associate "manipulative behaviour" with BPD is because the behaviour appears to be manipulative, when actually the person with BPD is trying to cope with an uncomfortable situation. Maybe it's the fear of abandonment, or they're offended by something someone said. The resulting behaviour and response is an attempt to compensate for the threat they perceive. If they're offended or embarrassed by something someone has said, they will say whatever it takes to eliminate the threat of being offended or embarrassed. So, say, something happens that makes them look bad or stupid, they will blame someone else, possibly by lying or making up a story and convincing people that it's true. It's an act of desperation. It's their way of surviving and coping.
The threat may seem trivial to most, normal people, but for people with BPD, the threshold is much lower. Small, trivial threats to them appear magnified. They can be highly sensitive.
Mental health and the law: A dangerous intersection. So very true.
Mental disorders are not synonymous with evil. Thank you for bringing that to light. As always, a very interesting video. ♥️
Thanks. I have bpd and never hurt anyone in my life...
Such amazing content. There’s no attempt to overdramatize things to draw in more viewers. He just tells it like he sees it as a medical professional. Wonderfully refreshing. Keep it up, Dr. Grande!
Oh she knew she was going to commit murder. Why else turn her phone off the entire time she was in Arizona? Why did she bring 3, 5 gallon cans of gas with her? Why did she rent a car? All of these steps were to avoid detection and mislead people into thinking she had never been anywhere near Travis’ house.
Yea, dr Todd doesn't seem to be all that knowledgeable of the facts of the case. the amount of planning and premeditation, and the subsequent lies she made up to get off at the expense of Travis' reputation all need to be factored in...
Also the break in and theft of her grandparents . 25 caliber handgun days before the murder
@@Debo_OG Yes, I completely forgot about that!!
Yep, this monster knew what she was doing. Premeditated murder.
She also dyed her hair as well to alter her appearance. This was definitely premeditated murder. She’s a narcissistic psychopath for certain!! 🤡
The only thing that really shocked her and almost left her speechless was when Detective Flores confronted her with the pictures. 😳😬 That detective did such a stellar job.
Can you please do one like this for the Selena quintanilla murder case?? The woman who killed her was her fan club president and she's still in jail till this day and this happened in 1995.
I’d still like to hear what he has to say about it
And she'll be up for parole in 2025. I still can't believe she didn't get the death penalty. At the very least give her life without parole.
Siphoning funds from the fan club & other businesses she had access to just over £30,000.
Had Selena not confronted her personally she would still be alive today.
I believe she was killed not from jealousy, but fearing being exposed as a thief & going to jail.
Heated words & threats were no doubt exchanged when confronted over her criminal behaviour & she snapped.
A timeless motive, greed, anger & perhaps a (small) sprinkling of jealousy.
I've lost count of the amount of documentaries i've watched here on YT where the accused is confronted by a friend/family member & is shot dead.
Does this guy dissect cases this old?
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Oh brother, 😁
That case was very sad. She was unstable and a thief. She was taking money from Selena. So young and talented.
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Lol...yup!😁
Me too 🙋🏽♀️ very interesting but Travis was weird too why did he let her in over and over for sex? Lame though 🙎🏽♀️
@@shantayamusic1089 yup lame
I watched the whole trial and I felt that Jodi converting to Mormonism and trying to portray herself as the perfect Mormon wife and morphing her personality to fit previous relationships spoke to her unstable self ideation.
I am so happy you decided to talk about Jodi Arias. I was waiting for you to review this case.
Ms. Blonde Chaos Me too, but I’m not sure why I’m watching. Jodi Arias seems like such a shallow, boring personality, She seems so bland that I guess I do wonder where all the rage came from. Don’t buy the self-defense thing at all.
I love these!!! Such great insight.
This is fascinating. I watched the entire trial.
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She took pictures to disarm and not raise suspicion they typically took pictures of each other. The gun was very strong indication of premeditation
Whoa. Rough math , but figure 2 years, 82000 is over 100 emails a day. I'm shocked that it's even possible to send that many.
Probably from jodis clingyness
She was obsessed with Travis.
over 80,000 Text Messages NOT Emails! The Doctor has it wrong!
Obsessive and jealousy a dangerous combo..to the extreme to commit a crime.
@@jojo-fs5it thats still huge. One every 10 mins all day long.
That's a very good takeaway : sometimes people just do bad things without any apparent disorder.
But some people have a disorder and do bad things that are not excused by a disorder. She definitely had cluster B traits
Isn't murdering and stalking someone pretty dysfunctional behavior, categorically implying mental unwell-being? Isn't the inability to function properly in society the reason we diagnose disorders in the first place? Might be wrong tho, someone clear me up.
Jealousy can induce rage and I think in this case it’s true as simple reactive behavior. Her psychosis may have came in her trial as she was cold as ice and perpetuating 100 lies and vengefully targeted his family. Her testimony was chilling compared to her other sweet persona! We saw a dichotomy of opposite personas! The chilling effect of that made the audience feel she was very evil with BPD and Narcissism I thought!
Such an unpopular pov ...that I happen to agree with!
OF COURSE nothing justifies her murdering him. THAT SAID (Which will be ignored by many) He kept shining her on KNOWING there was a vast diff in interest. KNOWING she had very unhealthy attachment issues. "But she was threatening to off herself" oh PU-
LEEZE.
1) Its extremely rare that ppl who actually do so. threaten it in advance- espcly several times over.
2) if he didn't know how to handle that w/o sleeping with her- he shouldve consulted a mental health pro to advise him
3) He wanted to have an easy access woman on the back burner& at his beck & call for "hormonal emergencies" at the expense of a very unwell person.
Thank you for your balanced, critical thinking brain.
Dr. G advised that Travis probably didn't have alot of info about stalkers. It's not stalking if you continue to invite them over when you want him/her around.
BOTH Travis & Jodi were not well ppl. That's probably why they were attracted to each other to begin with. I call it "Spidey senses" ("theres just something about her/him that Im attracted to, but I cant put my finger on it". Yeah...its what lies beneath..in both of you, that will manifest after the newness starts to wane...whether good or bad).In this case BAD!
And it's why ppl keep attracting the same person ("I can't believe- 5mo- I find out I'm with another alcoholic" . Your spider senses knew) Until you repair what's in you that attracts alcoholics (for example) you will keep attracting alcoholics).
@@Anabee3 I think there is something about finding oneself with the same 'type' of partner. I've seen it with others. Some are so desperate they go for Chad, and most Chads have the same M.O. One friend clearly had Daddy issues. Another ended up with heavy drinkers as she was always 2nd last out of the bar.
Arias planned every detail of the murder-how much gas to carry in three gas cans, turning off her cell phone, removing licenses,etc. She even snuck into his house through the pet door on an earlier visit. She stalked her victim day after day.
The people asked, Dr. Grande listened!
Its a shame Dr Grande is not well-informed about this case.
Who would ever think having a sexual relationship with someone unstable enough to stalk you is ever a good idea?
Travis did
He betrayed his own believe. He should have known better.
Katey Kat Travis Alexander.
the lure of available vagina is very attractive
Mormon Girls don't put out.
The stigma around BPD breaks my heart. I had a diagnosis of BPD when I was in my early 20s, which later on was decided to be a misdiagnosis, and I was then told I most likely have C-PTSD and was acting out in order to cope with past traumas. I was so upset when I was initially diagnosed with BPD that I started to loathe myself and felt helpless. When I eventually grew out of my self destructive phase and was told I probably don't have BPD, I was so relieved that I cried. I felt like I was suddenly worthy of being helped in a strange way... It just saddens me that not only men, but women themselves put down their own gender and perpetuate this stigma of "the crazy ex girlfriend." The word "crazy" is hurtful, and when it comes down to it, we're talking about a human being who is suffering greatly. A little bit more sympathy would go a long way. (By the way, I am not saying what Jodi did deserves sympathy. I'm just trying to shed a different light on the topic of mentally ill women and people with BPD)
I think she planned to give Travis one last chance to take her on the trip to Cancun. When he finally refused for the last time, that’s when she lured him into the shower and killed him. He was simply NOT going to leave her behind when he went to Cancun. I think it could have gone either way, depending on his final decision.
Sounds to me that this might be very likely triggering moment....
@@troycambo what are you talking about? She completely made up the pedo story to try and get out of the murder charge. She didn't mention it after sentencing. She clearly had a huge motive to lie and a lie is exactly what it was!
@@troycambo I agree with you.
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OMG You really show your HEART when you defend people with mental health issues. THANK YOU SO MUCH! It is so difficult to have compassion for those who are violent, but your comments bring us back to reality - that mental illness is not a statement of worthlessness or evil. Thank you.
Thank you for introducing him as a guy she dated rather then a “Devoted Mormon”
BPD would probably be a compliment to her....shes a very complicated individual and your assessment, narcissist, is likely far more accurate... very good assessment..... Thank you Todd!
Everyone seems to be obsessed with the word “ narcissist “ she is way beyond narcissist although she has those traits too. She is classic sociopath!!
Bindi Bindi i agree, she’s dead in the eyes and emotionally stagnant. Sociopaths are also narcissistic by default though. she’s both.
She has shark eyes.
@@livingintheforest3963 Yes, I am starting to see a parallel with Chris Watts and beginning to think psychopathy. Staged burglary to get a gun and took it with her to Arizona.
Borderline personality disordered to a T definition fits her so well
I’ve read quite a bit about the case, and according to Jodi’s family she had affective instability since she was a teenager to the point where her family thought she might have bipolar disorder.
She also described having a general deep rage in emails to Travis and expressed extreme anger toward certain people, particularly her mother.
She described having a vague sense of self and a feeling of emptiness in diaries.
. . . I don’t think this is Dr. Grande’s most thorough assessment.
And you don’t have to have suicide attempts but rather constant thoughts of suicide which are noted in her journal. Also she split quite a bit. Travis was the best until he wasn’t then he was the worst. Her going to the guys house and dry humping him right after the murder again relationship instability and jumping from one man to the next due to fear of abandonment. His assessment made for a great discussion but I think she leans much more toward BPD than narcissism
I realize I’m late to this video...but you’re 100% WRONG on SO many levels. I’m actually shocked you made this video w/out doing more research. I’ve watched many studies on Arias, read books & also watched every hour of the entire trial.
Everything you stated she actually spoke about in her OWN journal. She said verbatim...”I feel so empty inside & just want to end it all.”
Her family had a very tumultuous relationship w her...due to paranoia. Her own parents spoke to Esteban Flores (the day after she was arrested) about how she’s been
“a little strange” for many many years....never allowing her family in her own home. Her mom begged her to get help. Arias’s moods would scarily shift from one min to the next & that frightened her mother. Her friends would call her parents in the mid of the night to get her help...years before meeting Alexander.
Also, the entire murder WAS calculated & 100% premeditated. She went to great lengths (which many people addressed in the comments) to prepare (stealing the 22) covering her tracks, gathered supplies, disguised herself/hair, rented a car outta of her city & altered the license plates, stopped at an ex bf for extra gas cans, disabled her phone while in AZ & so on & on & on & on.
She’s clearly sociopathic & possibly has BPD. I feel like a tremendous amount of research needed to be done before this video was made.
Oh & it’s blatantly obvious regarding the photos. Actually common sense. She coaxed him in the shower to take pictures of him in there so he’s naked & vulnerable & trapped in a tiny shower stall. But she didn’t plan very well. Alexander put up a fight. But since she stabbed him in the heart first...he most likely stood up from being seated in the stall...coughed blood into the sink. Hence the blood splatter pattern. And while in shock, she repeatedly stabbed him in the back & head. He prob stumbled down the hallway to escape & collapsed. She then slit his throat & from the photos on his camera, she dragged him back into the shower to rinse off the DNA. (Evidence photo of her dragging his dead body back into the bathroom). That is where she took one more blow out on him & shot him in the head. The shell casing was found on TOP of a pool of blood. The part of his skull where he was shot would’ve taken him down instantly. The bullet came last. That’s been proven. Ok, my rant is done. I watched that trial & the difference done.
Totally concur! I have just watched another video, this being the second and won't be subscribing. Rather than to study the situation on it's own merits, some experts may choose exert their academic definitions that they are accustomed to as the measure and standard. How is that textbook truth any helpful? As if it makes any difference to one of the most gruesome crimes ever! My heart goes out to Travis and his family. RIP
Another thing that not many notice is that in a recorded interogation interview she says the EXACT day their 5 month relationship ended (June 29th) and its reported she stabbed him 29 times. The entire murder was definetly premeditated and very personal/rage filled. Theres a record online of all of their texts, emails, her journal entries and time markers that also show he allegedly was going to take Jodi to Cancun then after talking to his close friends about Mimi he called the company to change Jodi from his plus one to Mimi and told Jodi that it was cancelled but she found out the truth that he wanted to take Mimi instead of her. I think this escalated to her revealing and threatening to show the church the phone sex recordings she took of them and that explains the explosive text exchange between the two right before the murder when he says multiple things about her ruining/ going to ruin his life etc. When the blackmail didnt work and she realized he was taking another girl (Mimi) seriously she became enraged, planned the whole thing out, popped up at his house 'for sex' (many reports of her just showing up in his house unexpected and even crawling through the doggy door). She had sex with him one last time, took the risque pics to try and seduce him into what she wanted one last time and when it wasnt enough still, she went through with the plan. She is coldblooded. Even after the victims family statement when they said they hope and pray he wasnt alive still when she sawed at his throat Jodi got right up and said 'I actually do remember he was still alive when his throat was cut' (not exact quote but the video is on here), she continued even after to assasinate his character on the stand and torment his family one last time with her statement.
also i've seen some reports that she originally wanted to attack Mimi and interestingly enough RIGHT as she was getting arrested she was getting ready to leave and had a knife and some other things in her car. I cant believe she honestly thinks an appeal till this day will do her any good, she completely butchered him
Dana,
I agree with you!
I was so shocked at his opinion on Jodi..
I too, watched every second of the story:
Their relationship, murder, arrest and trial...
If this doesn’t fit “premeditated, then term shouldn’t exist in any court!
Last I heard, she was “running the show” in prison!
As well, many fans sending her money, and letters of adoration!I’m not trained enough to give her diagnosis, but I know 2
Sent comments too soon,
But 2 things I know...
It WAS premeditated,
And she’s “batshit” CRAZY!
too soon,
I think there was more than just the gas cans that pointed at premeditation. Each point may just be a grain of sand, but together it’s a pile that would reasonably conclude premeditation.
Gas Cans: she borrowed 2 and bought 1 more then lied about returning the extra 1. She normally used 2 on long trips, not three, so that is suspicious.
Cellphone: she turned off her cellphone (or it died as she claims) before she got to Travis’ house and it didn’t turn back on until she was on the HWY to Ryan’s house.
Rental Car & License Plate: she rented a car in a different city from where she lived and took off the license plate. (A cop testified to pulling her over because the license plate was upside down)
Hair change: she went from blonde to brunette right before the trip.
Gun: a .25 caliber gun was stolen from her grandmothers home days before Travis was killed, the same caliber he was shot with.
Edit: typo
OMG21ization I think for some people it’s hard for them to reconcile in their minds that a woman, especially an attractive one, could commit an especially heinous murder without provocation. But obviously, women can be just as evil as men (#equality lol jk).
I think they both played games, but it wasn’t anything out of the norm of the typical dysfunctional on-again-off-again relationships out there - at least on the surface & in the beginning. I agree he was too immature to settle down, and she went beyond the norm with the hacking into his emails, crazy texts, stalking - yikes. I did read about Travis’ upbringing & t was sad. But I think Jodi probably has a seductively charming personality, almost like a psychopath, so I think that’s a trap many men could have fallen into.
Vanessa yes she premeditated the murder, and thought she was going to get away with it, but thanks to the prosecution JM, she was exposed in plain sight.
No question and she would have qualified for premeditation even if it was just in a few moments too. It doesn’t have to be this elaborate and usually isn’t-they have premeditation out the ass in the case in the crime itself (knife + gun in shower)
Exactly! This guy has it all wrong.
@@vanessaspeaks I was going to contribute along the lines that you did until I read your posts ! - the gas cans as well as her lie about returning one as well as switching off the phone definitely pointed to premeditation to avoid being traced to the area, removing the plates, the "stolen" gun - you have covered all the bases. She most likely encouraged him to take a shower on the pretence of taking photographs because he would have been naked, unguarded, nothing to reach for to defend himself and at his most vulnerable, otherwise he could have overpowered her. She claimed it was his idea whereas it came out from one of her many ex's that she encouraged him to do this also. This most likely proves premeditation. The sexual encounter between them also indicates premeditation in order to put him at ease. Don't forget he had emailed her shortly before saying she was a "sociopath" had conned him and treated him like a "dildo with a heartbeat" and what the prosecution said was "prophetic" the worst thing that ever happened to him. I have some experience of covert narcissists in particular and sex and charm as you suggest are one of their main weapons of manipulation. His email sparked a "narcissistic injury" where they are at their very most dangerous. It is very obvious the power she had over him even though he knew what she was. The on and off again is called "trauma bonding" - effectively he was addicted to her even knowing what she was and covert narcissists routinely reel back in old ex's and view them as their property. They also "project" and accuse the victims of their abuse of what they are doing and you heard plenty at trial of her accusing Travis of abuse and manipulation - they always tell on themselves- Incidentally the photo's she took of him and he of her she remembered to delete but were retrieved even after she put the thing in the wash. No one stabs someone - front and back over two dozen times, slash them in the throat and shoot them in the head in order to "defend" themselves.
First major sign to run from the relationship was slashed tires. Travis caught her in many lies but he overlooked them.
The sex was good!
She doesn't seem exceedingly impulsive actually I'd say she seems balanced there which is what allowed her to carry out what she did. I've met many people with quite serious BPD and she did not come across as BPD at all. Rather I think she has NPD fairly moderately and ASPD quite seriously. She was quite emotionless in the way she handled herself.
Wouldnt that make it psychopathy? Not Narcissistic personality disorder?
@@maishadigital8410 There is a disorder that combines psychopathy and narcissism. It's called "malignant narcissism" and it's basically code for evil. Think Hitler, Stalin, etc.
She is a nut you can see it in her eyes in some photos and guess what? It's got to hurt never to have a camera of her own again
I love your content on murderers. I hope you keep going, maybe delving into true crime themes more and more. I've always wondered about their mental states, very rarely explored other than some shallow descriptions.
Thank you so much :)
Wouldn't think you'd need to say "dont have sex with someone that's obsessed or stalking", but it happens so much!!! Odd. People can really get stuck together...
well for some it's hard to turn down desperate sex, especially if he was a bit of a player. Not stuck together, just very convenient for this guy, in some ways taking advantage of her, while she also fooled herself.
@@dodgeplow She was probably wild and passionate in bed, and/or did whatever kinky shit and rough sex he liked. Those women are rare to come by and usually quite hot-headed and prone to fits of rage and mood swings. It's hard to walk away from those types of women. Particularly if you're a man with high sex drive. Just sayin' 😂
@@Johnnybomb1 i understand. That's why I mentioned it lol
@@Johnnybomb1 Been there my friend. I had one of those years back. Passionate, and totally erotic but very prone to, well lets just say times when you just wanted to get the hell out of there. Oh, beautiful on top of it. Still know her but at arms length only. Been tempted but I know better. Older and wiser. They are out there. Be careful, Ha!!
He obviously did not deserve to be murdered. He was, however, a hypocritical Mormon who claimed to be a 30 year old virgin. LDS will excommunicate members for sex outside of marriage, so he had a lot to lose if their sexual relationship was made public. She converted to his faith and I believe she thought he would marry her. When the truth became clear, that she would never be more than a side piece, she went for revenge. She is where she belongs now.
After seeing about 2 hours of Arias on JCS, she seemed bright, articulate and a pathological liar.
Wishing you and all, a healthy, prosperous 2021. Thank you for your very interesting programs, Dr. Grande.
The stalking, slashing of his tires, threatening his new love interest and then murder are all very bad signs. Also the horrific way he was killed. I was surprised Anti Social Personality Disorder wasn't mentioned more in this case... but I'm not sure if there also must be a definitive diagnosis of NPD to draw that conclusion.
Very interesting assessment, Dr. Grande.
Anarcho Frills BPD and ASPD can be comorbid, it’s not uncommon for them to be co-occurring. So someone with both BPD and ASPD could have an anxious/preoccupied attachment style.
@Anarcho Frills Hmmm yeah, I won't argue because you're right about the conduct disorder thing I didn't think of that. Though one thing that strikes me as odd, is how calm she is in her interviews with TV networks, and how she was able to con and manipulate fellow inmates (one got tattooed by Jodi) so easily. I know everyone with BPD is not the same but I can't imagine a someone with BPD being so calm and clear headed in the face of getting life in prison and such. So much so that they are friendly with interviewers and able to so easily manipulate inmates. I would say if she has BPD she at least has more narcissistic traits than the average borderline as I would think those with NPD are more calm in the face of stuff like being accused of murder. Or I guess she's just like the one BPD woman super in control of how they outwardly express emotion.
@@laproserpina2620 the intense emotions of BPD would not have been present because she wasn't being abandoned by the reporter. Travis rejecting her, however, would have. BPD is about interpersonal relationships more than anything, so the closer and more emotionally dependent you get the worse the reaction. With strangers, there is no reason to feel that way, you're not being abandoned, they are just there to ask questions. If the reporter asked her a question like, "but, Travis made it clear he did not want you," she probably would have reacted much more strongly because it's triggering her to remember his rejection. Just giving another perspective about what you said. I think it's entirely possible she is this calm here, because she's trying to look good to the public. She would be thinking much more rationally than she would in a situation where someone she loves or feels she needs rejects her. The reporter is just some rando. Maybe she'd care if they didn't like her, because borderlines are very sensitive to criticism or not being liked, but it still would never bring out the reaction Travis saw, Travis was the object of her attention, her goal, and for her it probably felt like that goal was being crushed by him. I have borderline, BTW, and I've done a lot of research, so that's just my opinion, but I can see how that would work. I am not homicidal, never have been, but I've definitely been highly emotional and irrational over relationship issues that brought separation to the table. I could definitely see how seeing somebody for a long time and them playing with you would set someone who's already vulnerable to rejection off.
I discovered your channel recently and this is an excellent example of why I appreciate your commentary. I was diagnosed with BPD several years ago, and for me, it was like the lights turning on in a dark room. I hate the stigma surrounding it, inside and outside mental health settings (I’ve had some mental health professionals be truly awful), and I feel like BPD is completely misunderstood by most people.
I’ve had it too and I couldn’t agree more ❤️
Jodi Arias's grandmother said that Jodi would become a obsessive over all the guys she dates. She said she was always worried about her because she was vulnerable because of the fact that she becomes obsessed and then ends up being hurt when they leave her.
I too have been looking forward to your analysis and opinion of the Alexander murder. Thank you for covering this topic.
Thank you so much for pointing out that not all people with personality disorders are evil. Just like all of us humans, it is the ACT that is evil...not the person. I get concerned when words like evil are used to describe mental health conditions.
@@lisalissner1070 I know my pont of view is controversial.. However, no I wouldn't use the term to discribe Dahmer when considering his mental state. I might use the term if I was viewing his behaviour from a moral or religious stand point though.
I agree with you. Evil is a judgment of mortality. We don't use the word evil to describe someone's behavior in the mental health world. At least not in my experience.
People can behave in so many ways unrelated to their diagnoses. They have feelings and desires independent of it. When I worked inpatient we would joke that "jerk" isn't a diagnosis. We call that acting out. People would wreck havoc for secondary gain.
@@lisalissner1070 He did evil things. That's the distinction we're making, that people aren't evil because they have a disorder, they're evil if they do evil things.
Yeah both law and religion are a bit scary mixed with mental health
Nicolette James it it really is helpful to think of it that way-it’s why people should be diagnosed taking the index crime out of the equation as much as possible.
the fact that being a regular murderer is somehow better than being a murderer with borderline personality... thank you for pointing this out. I have BPD but I have done years of therapy and many of my symptoms are diminished or non-existent. I would never murder someone no matter how angry or afraid I was.
A great analysis. People are really quick to diagnose and all, but even experts differ in opinion. I can only hope anyone seeking mental health care finds an individual as qualified and committed as Dr. Grande.
Even just watching these videos makes me feel calmer and more rational in the face of the sheer amount of info and stimuli pouring in from the world :) The voice of Reason!
Travis was inviting Jodi to his house and then telling others that he had cut things off. He wasn't being honest. His ex Deanna saw her at Travis' house and told her to be more careful next time.
Nor was she, they both agreed to separate but still slept together. She would also turn up uninvited and end up sleeping together. He did tell her he was moving on and was interested in another girl and looking for a wife. She also told him she was moving on. She also stalked him
Yeah. Kinda messed up, him being in a relationship, but I mean, I wouldn’t want anything except maybe a quickly with a crazy bitch like that myself. I wouldn’t want any of my friends knowing I was seeing someone like that.
@@kierankennedy6971 You better watch out for 'crazy bitches' then.
@@kierankennedy6971 - This is thing - Travis expected to use Arias for the odd "quicky", and God knows what he was telling her to make that palatable to her, and expected no come back.
@@AnaisEngland nah, I don’t associate with crazy people, at least to my knowledge. I’ve been known to not be the best people reader however
She was a narcissist it seemed to me. In my arm chair psychiatrist opinion.
@@luxetveritas4633 nah fam
Straight up psychopath in my armchair psychiatrist opinion. Her own parents were afraid of her.
I am not an expert on the issue but "premeditation" in criminal law is trickier than "planed out in advance." If I have an argument with a roommate, then go to my room, and come out with a gun 10 minutes later and kill him, it would be premeditated because in those 10 minutes I formed the intention to kill him and acquired the weapon to act on that intention, as opposed to an impulse murder where I get mad during the argument and grab whatever is on the coffee table and hit him in the head with the intention to kill.
So, taking pictures might be consistent with premeditation. Then again, I am not an expert.
But that possible disagreement aside, your videos are really insightful! Thanks for making them!
Surprised you didn't mention this: when Arias spoke at her sentencing, admitting that she did it, she said that he was alive up until the point the knife went in (if I remember correctly). This was likely not true, but it would have taken away the hope/comfort of his family that he died relatively quickly. So she said it to brag and also to take a "dig" at Alexander's family, getting the last laugh, so to speak.
Interesting topic.
She made several of those comments & digs such as maligning his character further after his death.
Even after her brutal attack and his horrible death, she was still angry at him.
*I wash my digital camera in the dishwasher . What kind of psycho puts it in the washing machine* ?
Because it had blood on it
Hello, Dr. Grande. Would you like to make a video on the Gypsy Rose case?
I am very interested in your opinion on the whole situation. Thank you.
She shot him 2nd. I watched the medical examiners testimony. The bullet hole didn't swell or bleed. His heart was done pumping
She wanted him dead! she's very sick!
best advice I've heard - "Don't sleep with someone who has more problems than you do"
That means I'm out of luck.
@@bigbilltoady412 😂😂😂
Does that just means that could make us the dangerous one lol
So I have to be the Jodi?
If everyone went by that advice, the only people who would get together would be those who have the exact same number of problems.
Well, as a nurse, I was always of the opinion that once someone whom you’re dating has threatened suicide, your friendship and emotional support could still be offered but it might be better to cool any ongoing romantic relationship with him/her. But those are only my feelings.
Love how sensible & fact-based your analysis is! 😊
Lawyers "buy" from experts
what they "sell" to juries!
Agreed. The defense hires experts to tell them what they want to hear.
Excellent content and breakdown of events regarding Arias and Alexander. Dr. Grande is a one man TV show.
Thanks for taking the time to give this a good amount of thought Dr. Grande. I've spent a lot of time being and armchair detective in this case, and many other cases. You mentioned something very important here, depending on which side of the fence you're on depends on the appropriate label to stick on someone. I consistently see the same thing happen with whomever the victim might be in a case like this, where the victim is no longer there to be questioned. What I mean by this is that, the victim is portrayed as somewhat of an angel, there isn't a whole lot of 'dirt' brought up on them during the case/investigation. No, I'm not encouraging anyone to create a smear campaign or try to stick something on someone who is unfortunately dead, but it is important to know that there are two sides to every story, two peas in the pod. In this case in particular, if you spend enough time looking in to things you will realise that Travis was no angel, and could quite possibly have had some impact on the actions of Jodi. I'm by no means a Jodi 'white knight', she is an adult and is responsible for her actions. If you look at the Ezra McCandless case, you see a lot of the same 'legal' response/approach. The legal system leaves a lot of room for improvement, in particular the need for a more open book honest approach.
Thank you for examining Jodia Arias. Her behaviour during the trial was quite chilling. One thing I'd like to ask is whether you could do a video addressing the difference between PTSD and BDP as quite a number of women who have been through traumatic events and developed PTSD were revealed to have been diagnosed - incorrectly - with BPD by professionals who were not aware of the trauma. Thanks again for another insightful analysis.
Killing him was wrong ,but he damaged her and played her . He was not an angel a man with double standards
I read Juan Martinez' (prosecution attorney) book and there is very strong evidence of premeditated first degree murder.
I agree
Of course there is
Love your videos. Could you please analyze Darlie Routier? She is so strange.
Darlie Routier is the female equivalent of Chris Watts.
I welcome Dr.Grande's analysis of Routier.
@@REFORM.UK-2029 idk, I'm not 100% convinced that she did it. Nothing about that case makes sense. Her husband divorced and remarried after 15 years standing by her. Their baby died at age 15 from some disease; sorry I can't remember exactly from what. Sad....
@@nettejohnson7492 I Know, I keep thinking the husband I mean there is no emotions from him also.
@@nettejohnson7492 Actually, Drake Routier is still very much alive and has beaten Leukemia.
If Travis was the type of man who'd assault a girl, he would've fought alot harder as soon as it became apparent she had a knife/gun.
How the hell do you fight harder against someone who has a gun? If the gunshot came first he was incapacitated. If the knife attack came first he was probably surprised. If he could have avoided dying I'm sure he would have beat the hell out of her if it was a possibility. I don't buy into the idea he died because he was too nice.
@@simonw1313 As I recall, the forensic people deduced that she stabbed him in the back in the shower first d/t the blood spatter from his respiratory tract in the sink when he stumbled out. If no vital organs had been hit, 1 well-placed elbow to her face may've saved him. He was not a violent man, just too naive, and he let sex get the better of him.
Susan Smith would be a good candidate for this type of video. Her record while an inmate the past 25 years is also quite interesting.
Thank you for doing this one. I watched almost all of this trial when it was happening & Jodi really gave me an uneasy feeling. I don’t know how someone can do what she did to Travis & think that SHE is the “victim”!! She’s scary & I am glad the jury didn’t “fall” for her act. She’s where she belongs & should NEVER be released.
Amen to that!! I absolutely agree! I watched too, from the arrest to verdict. She is right where she belongs! She is narcissistic, psychotic, and well, just a plain old murderer to me! She plotted to kill him to me. Her and travis did have a twisted relationship. Yes, he used her, but she was a willing participant. Say what you will, she could have walked away...she wasnt a victim of Mr. Alexander! He was a victim Jodi Arias!!!
Travis wasn’t exclusively dating the girl after Jodi, it was casual. He was single.
Ugh yeah that’s the crazy part..
He was 5 days from taking the other woman on a trip! Maybe he was single but why tell all your friends she’s a stalker but continuously lead her on..
@@exxology1 the woman told him she'd go with him but as friends. She wasn't interested in him.
@@exxology1 Yeah why lead Jodi on
@@ishootbishez Jodi thought Mimi Hall (the woman) and Travis were exclusive which pissed her off which is definitely crazy. I agree that killing him because of jealousy was crazy
Im obsessed with this case ❤ never clicked so fast!
I think Jodi wanted to Travis back and when she travelled to his house she was hoping that she could "fix" it with him - maybe blackmailing him under pressure by saying she will expose the sexual photos to his family which would have been bad for his family as mormone. But the plan back fired. Travis sent her off and then her plan B to kill him came into action. Thats what I think
I really appreciated your sensitivity when talking about specific disorders and when i watch you i dont hear the stigma showing through your opinion like i would usually expect. when it comes to BPD specifically there is an alarming amount of mental health professionals that fully buy into the stigma and pass it along to others. I was so glad to not see that in this video.
Always appreciate your insight. Great content! 100% agree that the BPD diagnosis used in trial was weaponized, I didn't like this either. The way it was protrayed definitely further stigmatizes this disorder. I also do not think that was the appropriate diagnosis for her as well. However I do think there were symptoms of identity disturbance, I think I saw evidence of an unstable self-image. I'm not sure if you reviewed video clips of her interrogation, but it seems she trys to exhibit this religious complex (holy, peaceful, gentle, docile) but obviously her violent and agressive behaviors don't align with this. Very interesting case for us mental health/psych junkies, but very tragic and heartbreaking circumstance for the families. My heart goes out to those affected. Thanks for sharing! 🙏🏾
@@SummeRain783 Valid points! I appreciate your insight!
Total narc.
Dr. Grande always honestly admits that mental health professionals can't agree for trial. It's no different for treatment.
If she stole the gun from her grandparents house well before going to visit Travis....yeah, that's intent and premeditated in my book.
Yup so she tried saying she didnt do all those things to really lessen her time but there is smart lawyers that asked the tough questions and the cops that gave the pictures for the judge and lawyer to see so she wasnt able to lie no more.
I love the dispassionate and reasoned analysis. I feel smarter after watching each of these videos.
I've learned so dang much about mental health from these videos. I originally came to this channel to watch a video about L Ron Hubbard, and the next thing you know I'm learning about narcissistic behaviors and red flags in relationships. Dr. G is the gold standard of what every single content creator should aspire to be. I'm super grateful for this channel. Everyone else is playing checkers while this guy is playing 4D chess.
Dr. G if you're reading this, you also inspired me to go back to school. I decided I want to be a nurse at a mental health unit to help other veterans experiencing mental health issues. Not going to lie, there's a mountain of schooling ahead of me, but for the first time in a really long time, I'm excited and optimistic about the future.
Thanks Dr. Grande!
Frankly, I'm more shocked over the 82,000 emails in 2 years than the murder itself.
I agree that amount of emails is definitely obsessional and beyond belief.
@@theresasutherland3410 yes this screams obsessive and looming extreme criminal jealousy!!
Crunched some numbers: that is roughly 112 messages every day. Absolutely nutters.
About 11 a day
@@capefear56no, eleven a day
these 2 (Travis and Jodi) really are just a perfect storm. He was perfectly willing to exploit her emotional state / personality for sex as long as it suited him. Wonder what DSM diagnosis HE would receive?
IKR
Arias say she toke the inisiative many times. It's not clear to me that he was exploiting her for sex. I wonder if you will say the same of a woman killed by a man that was havin sex with her. Was she exploiting him for sex? or maybe she was exploiting him because he pay for the dates? You sound like a typical machista blaming the victim.
That is quite a repulsive comment to make about a murder victim.
@D G If you check out her Facebook account you will see that this wasnt just a one off misandrist aberration.
Exploited for sex? Like women can't enjoy sex in different forms. No no no, when it comes to bed, it's always a man, who gets pleasure and exploits poor women
Narcissistic injury turning into narcissistic rage
The best part of this video is that I learned you shouldn’t have sex with people who are stalking you. Thank you, Dr. Grande ❤️
This was excellent - thank you! I’m a new subscriber and I especially appreciated the way you talk about the complexity of the intersection between psychology and the law.
Thank you so much!!
One other thing that I haven't heard mentioned. The fact that Jodi had one final roll in the sack with Travis before killing him, what does that say about her? It seems similar to something a serial killer would do. I don't know if sadistic is the right word to describe it but predatory maybe, particularly if she had in fact by that point decided she was going to kill him.
No, she was on the fence while in bed with him. It was only when he said that he was going to take a vacation with Mimi when she asked him about his holiday plans that she then came to the conclusion that there was a zero percent chance of her getting married to him instead of the one percent chance that she was desperately clinging to. I think she thought that maybe if she was good enough in bed, she could convince him to dump Mimi and get married to her instead. But despite her best effort in bed that night, it wasn't good enough to change Trevor's mind. At that point, she lost all hope, and decided that the only way to end her involuntary torturous obsession would be to get rid of the object of her obsession. Then she wouldn't have to be tortured for the rest of her life with the thought of Mimi and Trevor canoodling with each other and not her (although I think she might have been willing to have a Sister Wives Fundamentalist Utah thing going on with Mimi, but unfortunately for Jodi, I'm guessing Travis only wanted to have a monogamous marriage, and not a plural marriage).
If she claimed pregnancy and threatened to tell the church elder Travis would have been forced by his beliefs to marry her
Did you watch the trial? She took pictures of Travis in the shower in order to get him in a vulnerable position. She was also overconfident about her ability to wipe the images off of the camera which was unsuccessful as we know now.
She reported chronic feelings of emptiness to Dr. DeMarte.
Affective instability: she adapted her affect to any particular situation according to what might help her.
About her history of anger ...exhibited to her mother in particular, in her confrontation with Bianca and other examples.
Ryan Burns testified to her plan to see him.
Travis was vulnerable from the start bc of his background. He wanted to trust people who didn't deserve it.
1) She went there with a gun, premeditated.
2) She didn't just kill him, she mutilated him. Shot him in the face & cut his throat ear to ear.
3) Lied to the police, at least three different stories.
4) Relatively cool under interrogation, calculating/manipulative. The innocent little girl persona was apparent.
5) Complete lack of remorse, even seeing another sexual partner immediately after the gruesome murder.
6) Still maintains her innocence to this day.
She may not have any prior police history but it would be interesting to speak to people who knew here before all of this happened. I suspect she is a high-functioning psychopath, the covert deceptive kind who one day overstretched her ability to deceive.
I think she is CONtrolling more than suffering from fears of abandonment. If she wants the breakup, all is well but in the case of Travis, he was a player and she wanted commitment. She couldn't get what she wanted from him so she made sure he paid the ultimate price for not complying with her agendas.
Hundreds of men do this to women who reject them every year. This is more common among men who are rejected. Its only a story because its a woman acting like a rejected man.
I dated a narcissist, his daughter is borderline. Is this common? I have no further relationship with either. Too toxic!!!
Jean Fish yes. A narc would traumatizes their child and cause borderline
I was diagnosed with bpd and my dad is a narc. There’s a direct link, yes.
Yup, my dad is a narc and I've been diagnosed with borderline personality disorder there is definitely a link between this and with trauma too...
Yes my mother hasn't been diagnosed but her lack of empathizing and listening to people is there and caused my bpd rage since I was a little girl. She thinks she is the way she is and is never going to change, we have always had a hard time getting along.
my mom is undiagnosed but she has narc traits, i have BPD
Dr. Grande I'm so glad I recently found your channel! I love the topics and u do a great job!Thanks again for all the great info! Be well!
I feel like she actually meets all of the criteria that you’re claiming she doesn’t. I don’t think I have any special access to information, either. With a little more research, or watching the trial and testimonies, it’s clear that she had a pattern of volatile relationships, unstable sense of self, feelings of emptiness, and suicidal gestures/threats. Look a bit deeper and I feel like your opinion might change.
I agree. Also, she could have NPD along with BPD.
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this was for sure premeditated 1st-degree murder. I am not sure though if she also intended to change Travis' mind as to who he was taking to Cancun, the day of the murder. So if she succeeded she wouldn't kill him and if he still was going to take another woman then she would go ahead with the murder as planned.
Thank you SO much for your last words! As a BPD-person I thank you
Dr. Todd must walk around seeing things on another level than the average person. His description and breakdown of events always leaves me with a deeper understanding of what happened and I tend to feel these people are far crazier than I ever previously knew. Like, yes you can get someone is insane, but Dr. Todd opens your eyes to just *how* crazy. The world can be very scary and I hope gathering information from his channel can help protect me in the future with noticing signs and help me to not interact with crazy
Whatever label you want to give it, clearly a disturbed individual. Very brutal murder! She told lie upon lie upon lie!
Thanks Dr Grande for your analysis and opinion on this case. I have always wondered about the borderline diagnosis of Arias. She was cross examined for something like 15? days and had a very cool, at times belligerent attitude in court. She has never admitted to it being a pre meditated murder so I guess we will never know truly what was going on when she did it but she is certainly a very dangerous individual who is exactly where she belongs. The ferocity of the crime speaks to a very angry young woman. Really enjoying your take on these high profile cases.
Jodi Arias was on the stand for eighteen days.
thank you sir for speaking up for people with BPD, which actually is probably a result of trauma or invalidation/neglect in childhood.
I’ve been so looking forward to you covering this topic!
Thank you for this video.
I watched the Arias trial and read a few books on it.
The psychologist for the prosecution; Dr. Janeen Demartes in my opinion, really outlined the reasons why her evaluation of Arias as having borderline personality disorder was very convincing. While i am no psychologist and value your expertise, i do disagree with the fact that Arias did not premeditate the murderof Mr. Alexander. I believe she went to Arizona for the very reason to kill Alexander and the gas cans that she used so not to have to stop along the way is just one example that proves premeditation. Her chameleon like personality with each of her boyfriends was very riviting. She "became" what they were or wanted her to be. I do agree with you that someone who is obsessed with you , you should not sleep with them.
If you want to know a lot about Jodi Aries, talk to the correction officers guarding her. You can learn a lot about a person by merely watching them everyday.
Dude. I completely disagree with you about the borderline personality disorder. First of all, it's interpersonal relationships instability, not just romantic relationships. There is evidence of instability in her INTERPERSONAL relationships, that's why she had no friends besides the ex boyfriends and one childhood friend. Second, how do you not see identity disturbance? She was constantly transforming herself to fit into whichever environment she was in and whoever she was around. Including during the trial when she became Wilmot's mini me. Her own ex boyfriend said she did this while she was with him to make herself look like his ex wife by dying her hair, getting breast implants, and buying the same kind of car his ex drove. If that's not proof then I don't know what is. Third, she said herself that she felt empty inside, constantly. She said she felt empty most of her life. And you said you don't see evidence of impulsivity, but you can clearly see evidence of that if you pay attention. When she found out Matt had moved on after he broke up with her she left her job immediately to drive over an hour away to his new girlfriend's dorm. When things that Travis did made her unhappy she would just leave those jobs to drive 5 hours so that she could confront him. She did these things constantly. There are a few other things you got wrong, but I'm not going to type it all out, but I will say that I don't believe it was her personality disorder that made her kill him. She is just evil. Plain and simple. And she was convicted in 2013, not 2015.
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I agree 100%. I think she definitely had BPD and is a pretty good textbook case even. I am not nor have I ever been homicidal, but the entire time listening to Dr. Grande and everything else I've seen about the case, that's all I could think. I have borderline and even though I'm not remotely violent, I could see in her behavior lots of things I recognize, like, can relate to or see how she did what she did. I could feel an actual reaction in me to what he did, and see how I'd have lost it if I really cared about him. Travis's back and forth would have been very difficult for someone with BPD, it was like a perfect storm
@@SummeRain783 There are too many disorders that are easily confused with one another because of the similarities in symptoms, but I'm going to go with the Doctor's opinion considering she's the one who evaluated and tested her.