Randal's the true Kell of Kells. Uses Dreg strength to hide in the lower castes of Fallen society but really pulls all the strings. Battle of Twilight Gap? Randal's idea. Skolas' revolt? Randal gave him a nudge in the right direction. And Variks is feeding him info all this time. Got Variks to approve of the Queen and Prince's suicide run against Oryx and used Aksis to get access to SIVA and let the guardians take care of the false God Aksis. Randal even made a body double to fool guardians as they do the raid. Randal for Destiny 2 final boss. Make Destiny great again!
I totally expect to see more members from different Fallen houses becoming friendly in Destiny 2. There will be more subdivides based on houses as some decide to side with the guardians.
I thought they haven't had a Kell since the Whirlwind... but you do raise a good point. Perhaps they are just broken? They were the strongest, centuries ago, but after the Whirlwind, voyaging across the universe, seeing the conflicts of Sol, and even having our Guardian bust in and kill a larger part of their number simply because they *might* be recruited by Skolas, I would say that the Fallen House of Kings is simply, Crestfallen. Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh...
Of all the Fallen houses, the Kings are the hardest to read. In the lead up to RoI before the Devils were revealed as the House to discover and use SIVA, I thought the Kings had finally emerged with whatever it was they may have been hiding inside their own base. Now, the Cosmodrome is aflame and the Kings are nowhere to be found. Why? Have they hidden themselves away holding out against the Devils? Have they left Old Russia or even Earth entirely? I'm sure we'll get answers eventually, but in the mean time there're so many possibilities to ponder.
SparkyMcK it's speculated that the kings are still seen as royalty to other houses and that they are true nobles in fallen society. The Devils are speculated to be controlled by the Kings. They are like puppets. The Devils are the ones that started the battles of twilight gap and six fronts, but what if it was the Kings who secretly influenced the Devils to do this? It's been said in grimoire cards that the Kings were the ones who led the attack on six fronts yet we know that the Devils were the ones who rallied the houses. It seems that the Devils are being controlled, willingly or secretly, by the Kings. The Kings are also known to have a presence on Mars as well and are most likely the fallen who found the SIVA records in the destiny OWL sector ARG. The Kings most likely found these records and guided the Devils to the vaults on Earth. They used the Devils as a test. They got the Devils to use SIVA so the Kings could gain power, but in the case of SIVA damaging the house in any way, they wouldn't damage their own house. The Kings are most likely still on Earth and have all members of their society and hierarchy. The Kings are the most powerful house and are actually a threat to the city. They never show themselves outright and like to work in the shadows. It is said that our ghost encountered many Devils who chased it and tried to kill it. But it only ever encountered one King and the king simply watched our ghost from the distance and studied it. The Kings seem far more intelligent and, excuse the pun, kingly. They don't simply attack and scavenge, but rather brood and make plans. It is a known fact that the Kings were the ones who led the fallen during their golden age before the whirlwind. This would indicate that the fallen would have some sort of allegiance to the Kings.
+Kevin Wessels yeah, they lost two barons during our attack. "They don't crawl out of their skiffs often". Barons are the hughest rank a fallen foot soldier can get. Their jell hasn't shown his face, probably for the better. And as you've stated we haven't even seen nor heard of a prime servitor. I think their biding their time, maybe trying to unite the houses and gather strength. Maybe, they're waiting for us to get distracted by a large Martian-based military outfit to strike....just a thought
+AmazingGaming I fully agree, the Kings used the Devils as Guinea pigs. They say SIVA needs a mind, and Byf strongly detested that that's Aksis. (He states in the raid lore video) I firmly believe that if any Eliksni has it, it must be the Kings.
Loved it as always Byf. I would like to know more about the conflicts within the ranks of the Eliksni and or guardians. Imagine if there were those among them and among the Guradians, those who essentially went against what the vanguard and the speaker told us about our enemies and questioned everything and found a different world out there than what they were told? (I'm writing a crappy story related to this so I'm massively biased) They found Eliksni that did not want conflict, and saw it as nothing more than a waste of time and resources. They would rather join forces and create a better place for the both of them. We have larger things to worry about. Specifically the Cabal fleet, the other Hive lords that we know are out there, the Vex that seem to keep coming back, and the actual source of the "Dark" that we have yet to even see. Just a thought :)
Thanks for writing scripts James. After I watch your videos, I feel more educated, and your writing and flow of your work is poetic. I do appreciate it, and I'm sure many of your subscribers do as well.
Hey, I recognize the background music in this video! It's from Mass Effect 3: Leviathan. It's the theme when you're trapped inside your own mind at the end. Very subtle, Byf.
I think Kovik, who likely was an actual splicer of the House of Devils, is the one that first began experimenting with SIVA and in turn provided it Aksis, who apparently became the Archon of the House of Devils after Sepiks Prime destruction. But more importantly, I think Aksis comes from the House of Kings: His helmet resembles Aksor's, whom despite what we are told, looks like a member of the House of Kings and his arena is surrounded by banners of the later. There's also the archon servants from the Prison of the Elders, who again re supposed to belong to the House of Wolves, but their colors & killcam indicates they also belong to the House of Kings. I think that at one point in development the House of Kings was meant to have leverage over the other Houses in the form of the ability to produce Prime Servitors with their Archon's Forge (which also has Kings' markings around it), and by extent the Archons that have a symbiotic relationship with these servitors would also originate from the House of Devils and be sent to the other Houses along their Prime Servitors. It's worth noting that Riksis, the Devil Archon, was originally Rixis, the Archon Slayer in the earlier versions of the game, whose trading card indicated that "Some say he once ruled the House of Devils": www.destinypedia.com/Destiny_trading_cards#Fallen:Rixis.2C_Archon_Slayer That suggest that at one point he might have been the Kell of the Devils, but seems to have fell from grace, possibly result of the action that earned him his title, Archon Slayer. This might explain why Riksis/Rixis share the same model with Draksis, intended to be the standard model of a Fallen Kell. Oddly though, Draksis is bearing the colors of the House of Devils, which might be hinting at the Devils (and by extent the Kings) controlling Winter through him. There's also the opposite case, a Devil Baron called Naksis whom you fight during the battle to reach Sepias Prime, whom is evidently wearing the colors of the House of Winter and whose killcam also indicates he belongs to the later. Perhaps the Kings arranged for the Devils to provide leadership to the House of Winter in the form of Draksis from the House of Devils and in exchange Winter provided a Baron to the Devils. Why? Well, my pet theory is that Winter are the handyman or geeks of the Fallen, seemingly having a Walker worship on their lair in Venus, the containers owned by the House of Exile in the moon also being blue colored and my suspicion that the wolves upgraded weapons, specialized Shanks and Heavy Pike, being more designs that they got from Winter who bears similar colors to them. Alas, that's a topic worth of its own separate discussion. Back to Archons, if we assume that originally Rixis was supposed to have killed the former Devil Archon, resulting in the Kings removing him from the position of Kell of the House of Devils, its possible that Archons do were supposed to have also a standard model, which would be like Aksor's. That would fit well with the idea that Aksis came from the House of Kings and was familiar with the Archon's Forge, which in theory he used alongside SIVA to resurrect Sepiks Prime in order to obtain support from the Devils. Now, one things to consider is that there do seem to be a couple of Archons that evidently don't seem to come from the House of Kings, namely Karrhis, Archon Rising and Keldar, seemingly the Archon Priest of Orbiks Prime. However, I'm inclined to think that Keldar wasn't Orbiks Prime original Archon thanks to another Wolf Captain: Skoriks... the Archon Slayer (glad to see the title do was reused in the released game!). My guess is that Skoriks slayed the actual Archon of Orbiks Prime, and that in turn, Keldar, and likely also Karrhis, become more of a sort of "acting" Archon Priests chosen by their Prime servitors to carry on the duties of the Archons. The later I assume based on their size: both are as big as Draksis and Aksor, which suggests they had access to a lot of ether, which is specially intriguing in the case of Karrhis whose suggests that he only recently became Archon or is still in the process of becoming one, yet he's already as large as Riksis/Rixis. My guess is that upon losing their Archon (and likely in the absence of a Kell as well), the Prime Servitor selects another member of the House to fill the role and in turn starts providing him a larger amount of ether. One last thing to consider is S.A.B.E.R.-2, which is said to not only use cannibalized parts of servitors, but also has "modifications made specially by Rising Archons to breach the Warming's firewall and seize control of its systems". If the House of Devils moved into the Cosmodrome with the objective of seizing the Warmind from the beginning, it's possible that any of the 3 known Archons related to the Devils (or even all of them) participated at different points in its construction. Perhaps this is also where Naksis enters the picture, since Archons are more familiar with servitors, but SABER-2 is evidently based on a Shank despite its servitor components, and more importantly, uses blue color scheme. With all that out of the way, I think Asks was the most recent Archon assigned to the Devils by the House of Kings, he had the Devils look for any useful Golden Age technology in the Cosmodrome area, which result in the discovery of SIVA, which through Kovik's research showed its potential. Aksis used his knowledge of the Archon's Forge and SIVA to rebuild Sepiks Prime as Sepiks Perfected, thus indeed gaining the support of the House of Devils, and perhaps even also Winter's, whom had also been left leaderless and particularly had been lacking a Prime Servitor for a long time now, whom may see in the rebuilt Sepiks Prime the possibility of regaining a Prime Servitor for their House, if not directly interested in the promises of transcending flesh and the need for ether altogether. I could imagine Kovik being the first one to run into a potential conflict as a result of his experiments potentially producing half machine demi-gods, which could be seen heretic by more traditionalists members of the House, and a s a result him turning to Askis, current leader of the House of Devils whom do shared his view of becoming machine Gods themselves. Thus they came up with the plan to revive Sepkis Prime, which turned their fortunes around with most of the Fallen. And I can also imagine that by then the House of Kings may not have been please with such outcome, as by allowing other Fallen to become machine gods themselves, they will stop depending on servitors and in turn end their dependency on the Archons and the House of Kings by extent. However, the desperate situation of the Fallen by that point might have led to their inaction, in a gamble where they hoped that the Splicers could succeed where the other Fallen had failed: in defeating the guardians of the Last City and enabling the Kings to take back the Great Machine, which would make losing their hold over the other Fallen actually worth it. And just to throw this out there: I like the idea that Kovik comes from the House of the Devils, Aksis from the House of Kings and that we could assume that Vosiks could be from Winter based on his original title, the Machinist (during ROI development) and the mention that he "wields the technology to build and maintain a body for Aksis. Nothing more, nothing less", which I think fits well with me pet theory of Winter being a House more focused technical roles, like weapon production & maintenance of Fallen equipment, which will be more fitting to build & maintain Aksis as he fully becomes a machine, thus which could in turn make a splicer unsuitable for the job by that point.
Really think if they continue the grimoire cards destiny 2 they should have a librarian or a lore master with your voice narrating them. I'd sit and listen.
I swear the music you've used in the background is from the ME3's Leviathan DLC. I love that DLC's soundtrack. Anyway, another fantastic lore video Byf.
The House of Devils are interesting in general, and I really wish to learn what they were originally. Put aside what we've seen of them, I want to see what they were when they were noble. Same with every other House: The Wolves, Winter, Scar, Stone, Judgment, and Kings. We know only a little bit, like the Kings being actual, well kings. Judgment making laws and stuff like that. But that's pretty much all we know.
I would love to have conversation with you about the various politics of this game, because it has so much lore that needs to be brought to the forefront. I think the House of Devils proper remains largely intact (or as close to it as we've ever seen it). the Devils have a large territory beyond Old Russia and I doubt the Splicers had the firepower to force them out, even with SIVA. I think this is mainly because there wasn't time for them to fully subjugate the House. The Rise of Iron campaign focuses on the intense pace at which Saladin beckons you to end things. This meant they also didn't have time to perfect and expand either. What I think is more important is the position of the House of Devils and how it will influence the Kings. They are untouched since Twilight Gap, would a even-more fractured Devil House be the factor in their next plot?
Hi Byf, I think I prefer your lore videos based on known facts from the grimoire rather than hypothesis and supposition. Enjoying your channel a lot though
Let'sget some history on the Factions. Not just the main 3 in the tower (though extra backstory would be nice, such as the attempted coup by New Monarchy), but the one's who are not official, such as the Disciples of Osirus, Concordat, and Symmetry.
I know it's a lot of effort, so don't take this the wrong way. The lore was better with the artwork rather than game play in the background. just my opinion, still enjoy your channel.
Indeed. The extra lore episodes like this are simply to plug the gaps. I want to tell big stories like the Books of Sorrow or the Iron Lords with the animated art. Extra lore is more discussion based :)
Could you do more machinima styled background gameplay rather then from the usual POV with the hud removed??? I think it would look very interesting especially when you are conveying the Lore across with the visual imagery to accompany it.
I actually wonder if the Devils who attacked during the Gjallarhorn questline were the last remnants of the non-Splicer Devils who made a very desperate bid to try and take back the Traveller. After all, if they could get back the Traveller they could get back their house and then some. Granted, there was incredibly low chance of success.
Hold on a minute: are you saying that the Kell killed by Rezyl Azzir belonged to the House of Devils? The Grimoire card says that this Kell came from a Ketch with unfamiliar markings, which would seem to rule out the Devils given that they are the Fallen House guardians on Earth are most familiar with. I even have a pet theory that it was the Kell of Winter before Draksis, whom the Kings replaced with Draksis, from the House of Devils (as his appearance suggests), which allowed them to plan the combined attack between the 3 Houses now that both the Devils and Winter were subordinated to the Kings.
its totally believable that there was a civi war. after losing their home after all, they became more barbairic and ruthless. even amoung themselves. either way it's a nice theory.
To wrap up Destiny before the sequel, you think it's feasible to make a video streamlining the entire timeline of lore until present times? And with each passing point you could link a video covering the corresponding event (that naturally you've already done/would have done by then) to keep the presentation smooth, unless you make a documentary lol. I dunno, just feel it'd be cool to celebrate your channel and its contribution to the community before saying goodbye to the game that brought us together.
Great video, Byf! Well done! Considering Variks' ROI card, is it not possible that some contingent of the Fallen feel that the Guardians saved their race to some extent?
Byf do you think that the trespasser sidearm could be the the last sidearm the gunsmith made for the guardian that went to investigate the vex and died (you a find a ghost on the first mission for the pocket infinity)
this is kind of off topic of the video but how is the cosmodrome laid out? that meaning how are all the walls setup and what land belongs to the city and what land is fallen territory if anyone knows of a map or anything that illustrates it well please link it.
Are there still Ghosts going around picking guardians? it would be interesting if Destiny 2 includes some Eliksni Guardians that got sick of the piracy and scavenging lifestyle.
Vanpyro Gaming We created it, but we couldn't control it, so in that aspect, I wouldn't consider us "gods." But... We've killed Kells, literal Hive Gods, destroyed the SIVA threat, and the Black Garden's Heart and Atheon. Yeah, in THAT aspect, we definitely ARE gods.
Xur agent of the nine "We" Clovis Bray created SIVA back during the golden age. Humanity is still vulnerable. We don't have the technology from the Golden Age to make anything greater.
The Spreer Humanity in Destiny represents nothing. Earth in majority is controlling by the Fallen, and we only have one safe city in the entire planet. And we, Guardians, are so blind to see the real cause of the Collapse, the Traveler. We are the weakest race of Destiny.
Please do more lore on the Eliksni who lived prior to the Whirlwind, and on the Cabal and Vex as well. Could you please do Raid lore on the Vault of Glass just like you did on Wrath of the Machine?
Okay, Ive been wondering for a while now.... What language is your 'Per Audacia Ad Astra'? I guess it translates to 'I'll see you star side' but what language does it come from?
I think roi would of been better if the splicers had beat us and pushed us out of the plague lands. Making us guardians having to 'scout' the plague land for a weak ness.
so im probably not the first one to say this but, could it be possible to get a fallen as a character choice? i mean since there is rebellions and even variks as a friendly npc, how cool would it be to have a fallen "class."
this is very true, but what if there was a fallen that was worthy of becoming a guardian? im just throwing some ideas out, i also havent kept up with the lore so i dont know if its possible or not.
This mostly boils down to the two factions (Fallen and Guardians) setting aside their differences for some reason and joining forces to clear out the Earth and fight against the Dark as a whole.
maybe an alive fallen choses to leave and wants to be with the traveler and the guardians, but has to prove themselves that they are completely willing to take on the will of the traveler and is allowed to have light. honestly its a stretch but i think it'd be cool to have a different race that is also a class.
The story of the Fallen is really fucking tragic.
Now, where does Randal the Vandal play into all of this?
Randal's the true Kell of Kells. Uses Dreg strength to hide in the lower castes of Fallen society but really pulls all the strings. Battle of Twilight Gap? Randal's idea. Skolas' revolt? Randal gave him a nudge in the right direction. And Variks is feeding him info all this time. Got Variks to approve of the Queen and Prince's suicide run against Oryx and used Aksis to get access to SIVA and let the guardians take care of the false God Aksis. Randal even made a body double to fool guardians as they do the raid. Randal for Destiny 2 final boss. Make Destiny great again!
+Jacob Kern He's the silent God, the puppeteer
We need you as a voice actor of somebody in destiny 2. Wait... what's saying he isn't already?
I totally expect to see more members from different Fallen houses becoming friendly in Destiny 2. There will be more subdivides based on houses as some decide to side with the guardians.
still trying to think what the House of Kings will do, they still have their Kell, Prime, and Archon, yet they just spent most of there time hidding
I thought they haven't had a Kell since the Whirlwind... but you do raise a good point. Perhaps they are just broken? They were the strongest, centuries ago, but after the Whirlwind, voyaging across the universe, seeing the conflicts of Sol, and even having our Guardian bust in and kill a larger part of their number simply because they *might* be recruited by Skolas, I would say that the Fallen House of Kings is simply, Crestfallen.
Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh...
Of all the Fallen houses, the Kings are the hardest to read. In the lead up to RoI before the Devils were revealed as the House to discover and use SIVA, I thought the Kings had finally emerged with whatever it was they may have been hiding inside their own base. Now, the Cosmodrome is aflame and the Kings are nowhere to be found. Why? Have they hidden themselves away holding out against the Devils? Have they left Old Russia or even Earth entirely? I'm sure we'll get answers eventually, but in the mean time there're so many possibilities to ponder.
SparkyMcK it's speculated that the kings are still seen as royalty to other houses and that they are true nobles in fallen society. The Devils are speculated to be controlled by the Kings. They are like puppets. The Devils are the ones that started the battles of twilight gap and six fronts, but what if it was the Kings who secretly influenced the Devils to do this? It's been said in grimoire cards that the Kings were the ones who led the attack on six fronts yet we know that the Devils were the ones who rallied the houses. It seems that the Devils are being controlled, willingly or secretly, by the Kings. The Kings are also known to have a presence on Mars as well and are most likely the fallen who found the SIVA records in the destiny OWL sector ARG. The Kings most likely found these records and guided the Devils to the vaults on Earth. They used the Devils as a test. They got the Devils to use SIVA so the Kings could gain power, but in the case of SIVA damaging the house in any way, they wouldn't damage their own house. The Kings are most likely still on Earth and have all members of their society and hierarchy. The Kings are the most powerful house and are actually a threat to the city. They never show themselves outright and like to work in the shadows. It is said that our ghost encountered many Devils who chased it and tried to kill it. But it only ever encountered one King and the king simply watched our ghost from the distance and studied it. The Kings seem far more intelligent and, excuse the pun, kingly. They don't simply attack and scavenge, but rather brood and make plans. It is a known fact that the Kings were the ones who led the fallen during their golden age before the whirlwind. This would indicate that the fallen would have some sort of allegiance to the Kings.
+Kevin Wessels yeah, they lost two barons during our attack. "They don't crawl out of their skiffs often". Barons are the hughest rank a fallen foot soldier can get. Their jell hasn't shown his face, probably for the better. And as you've stated we haven't even seen nor heard of a prime servitor. I think their biding their time, maybe trying to unite the houses and gather strength. Maybe, they're waiting for us to get distracted by a large Martian-based military outfit to strike....just a thought
+AmazingGaming I fully agree, the Kings used the Devils as Guinea pigs. They say SIVA needs a mind, and Byf strongly detested that that's Aksis. (He states in the raid lore video) I firmly believe that if any Eliksni has it, it must be the Kings.
I like how the background music is from Leviathan in ME3
Loved it as always Byf. I would like to know more about the conflicts within the ranks of the Eliksni and or guardians. Imagine if there were those among them and among the Guradians, those who essentially went against what the vanguard and the speaker told us about our enemies and questioned everything and found a different world out there than what they were told? (I'm writing a crappy story related to this so I'm massively biased) They found Eliksni that did not want conflict, and saw it as nothing more than a waste of time and resources. They would rather join forces and create a better place for the both of them. We have larger things to worry about. Specifically the Cabal fleet, the other Hive lords that we know are out there, the Vex that seem to keep coming back, and the actual source of the "Dark" that we have yet to even see.
Just a thought :)
I always thought we shoiod be friends with the fallen well now techally we are at least that one house so
Thanks for writing scripts James. After I watch your videos, I feel more educated, and your writing and flow of your work is poetic. I do appreciate it, and I'm sure many of your subscribers do as well.
Loving the amount of lore videos lately! Can't wait for that Book of Sorrow's 3rd part
I find it interesting that there is no Kell for the splicers, just an object of worship
what about the house of kings. there being so scattered might not just be tactic but rather something based on a malicious intent.
Hey, I recognize the background music in this video! It's from Mass Effect 3: Leviathan. It's the theme when you're trapped inside your own mind at the end. Very subtle, Byf.
Oh hey........ I'm early and that is neat
...........Moth People
a fellow IHE fan I see!
My name is Byf I need MOTH PEOPLE
My name is Byf .....yes
They need the Moth People
Bella Beck is anyone else having trouble commenting
Bella Beck hmm so I can comment here but I can't make my own weird
I already made this theory months ago and there is some pretty good evidence for it like when shiro said "probably to reunite the devils?"
These videos are so awesome. There is so much backstory to this game that never really gets flushed out.
Oo the leviathan encounter music
Tyler Evan Dude, YES.
I wondered if anyone else noticed that!
Geth Infiltrator u have come to farrr
Osiris has always interested me. But I'll probably watch anything you put out anyway lol
Yeah I'm from the future and yes mars is here and we save Osiris
@@xdsmile5359 Yeah probably the only part of D2 that made mercury interesting lol
OH please byf keep going your my only source of destiny lore except for the girmore of course
+Issac Tisnado I see you also watch Myelin Games 😏
+Issac Tisnado Thanks he helps me to grind in a game when things get tiresome. Are you on PS4? I wouldn't mind playing with you.
+Issac Tisnado expect a random invite from a certain player called theruthleskiller
I think Kovik, who likely was an actual splicer of the House of Devils, is the one that first began experimenting with SIVA and in turn provided it Aksis, who apparently became the Archon of the House of Devils after Sepiks Prime destruction. But more importantly, I think Aksis comes from the House of Kings:
His helmet resembles Aksor's, whom despite what we are told, looks like a member of the House of Kings and his arena is surrounded by banners of the later. There's also the archon servants from the Prison of the Elders, who again re supposed to belong to the House of Wolves, but their colors & killcam indicates they also belong to the House of Kings.
I think that at one point in development the House of Kings was meant to have leverage over the other Houses in the form of the ability to produce Prime Servitors with their Archon's Forge (which also has Kings' markings around it), and by extent the Archons that have a symbiotic relationship with these servitors would also originate from the House of Devils and be sent to the other Houses along their Prime Servitors.
It's worth noting that Riksis, the Devil Archon, was originally Rixis, the Archon Slayer in the earlier versions of the game, whose trading card indicated that "Some say he once ruled the House of Devils":
www.destinypedia.com/Destiny_trading_cards#Fallen:Rixis.2C_Archon_Slayer
That suggest that at one point he might have been the Kell of the Devils, but seems to have fell from grace, possibly result of the action that earned him his title, Archon Slayer. This might explain why Riksis/Rixis share the same model with Draksis, intended to be the standard model of a Fallen Kell.
Oddly though, Draksis is bearing the colors of the House of Devils, which might be hinting at the Devils (and by extent the Kings) controlling Winter through him. There's also the opposite case, a Devil Baron called Naksis whom you fight during the battle to reach Sepias Prime, whom is evidently wearing the colors of the House of Winter and whose killcam also indicates he belongs to the later. Perhaps the Kings arranged for the Devils to provide leadership to the House of Winter in the form of Draksis from the House of Devils and in exchange Winter provided a Baron to the Devils. Why? Well, my pet theory is that Winter are the handyman or geeks of the Fallen, seemingly having a Walker worship on their lair in Venus, the containers owned by the House of Exile in the moon also being blue colored and my suspicion that the wolves upgraded weapons, specialized Shanks and Heavy Pike, being more designs that they got from Winter who bears similar colors to them. Alas, that's a topic worth of its own separate discussion.
Back to Archons, if we assume that originally Rixis was supposed to have killed the former Devil Archon, resulting in the Kings removing him from the position of Kell of the House of Devils, its possible that Archons do were supposed to have also a standard model, which would be like Aksor's. That would fit well with the idea that Aksis came from the House of Kings and was familiar with the Archon's Forge, which in theory he used alongside SIVA to resurrect Sepiks Prime in order to obtain support from the Devils.
Now, one things to consider is that there do seem to be a couple of Archons that evidently don't seem to come from the House of Kings, namely Karrhis, Archon Rising and Keldar, seemingly the Archon Priest of Orbiks Prime. However, I'm inclined to think that Keldar wasn't Orbiks Prime original Archon thanks to another Wolf Captain: Skoriks... the Archon Slayer (glad to see the title do was reused in the released game!). My guess is that Skoriks slayed the actual Archon of Orbiks Prime, and that in turn, Keldar, and likely also Karrhis, become more of a sort of "acting" Archon Priests chosen by their Prime servitors to carry on the duties of the Archons.
The later I assume based on their size: both are as big as Draksis and Aksor, which suggests they had access to a lot of ether, which is specially intriguing in the case of Karrhis whose suggests that he only recently became Archon or is still in the process of becoming one, yet he's already as large as Riksis/Rixis. My guess is that upon losing their Archon (and likely in the absence of a Kell as well), the Prime Servitor selects another member of the House to fill the role and in turn starts providing him a larger amount of ether.
One last thing to consider is S.A.B.E.R.-2, which is said to not only use cannibalized parts of servitors, but also has "modifications made specially by Rising Archons to breach the Warming's firewall and seize control of its systems". If the House of Devils moved into the Cosmodrome with the objective of seizing the Warmind from the beginning, it's possible that any of the 3 known Archons related to the Devils (or even all of them) participated at different points in its construction. Perhaps this is also where Naksis enters the picture, since Archons are more familiar with servitors, but SABER-2 is evidently based on a Shank despite its servitor components, and more importantly, uses blue color scheme.
With all that out of the way, I think Asks was the most recent Archon assigned to the Devils by the House of Kings, he had the Devils look for any useful Golden Age technology in the Cosmodrome area, which result in the discovery of SIVA, which through Kovik's research showed its potential. Aksis used his knowledge of the Archon's Forge and SIVA to rebuild Sepiks Prime as Sepiks Perfected, thus indeed gaining the support of the House of Devils, and perhaps even also Winter's, whom had also been left leaderless and particularly had been lacking a Prime Servitor for a long time now, whom may see in the rebuilt Sepiks Prime the possibility of regaining a Prime Servitor for their House, if not directly interested in the promises of transcending flesh and the need for ether altogether.
I could imagine Kovik being the first one to run into a potential conflict as a result of his experiments potentially producing half machine demi-gods, which could be seen heretic by more traditionalists members of the House, and a s a result him turning to Askis, current leader of the House of Devils whom do shared his view of becoming machine Gods themselves. Thus they came up with the plan to revive Sepkis Prime, which turned their fortunes around with most of the Fallen.
And I can also imagine that by then the House of Kings may not have been please with such outcome, as by allowing other Fallen to become machine gods themselves, they will stop depending on servitors and in turn end their dependency on the Archons and the House of Kings by extent. However, the desperate situation of the Fallen by that point might have led to their inaction, in a gamble where they hoped that the Splicers could succeed where the other Fallen had failed: in defeating the guardians of the Last City and enabling the Kings to take back the Great Machine, which would make losing their hold over the other Fallen actually worth it.
And just to throw this out there: I like the idea that Kovik comes from the House of the Devils, Aksis from the House of Kings and that we could assume that Vosiks could be from Winter based on his original title, the Machinist (during ROI development) and the mention that he "wields the technology to build and maintain a body for Aksis. Nothing more, nothing less", which I think fits well with me pet theory of Winter being a House more focused technical roles, like weapon production & maintenance of Fallen equipment, which will be more fitting to build & maintain Aksis as he fully becomes a machine, thus which could in turn make a splicer unsuitable for the job by that point.
The walker is said to be "perfected" yet they still have that engine design flaw
Damn, why so many dislikes? Whats wrong with you, ppl?!
I think it'd be awesome to see lore videos on the Vanguard members and the Exos. Love your work Byf
Best lore vid yet! Fitting music and good dialogue. By all means cover old raids!
Always gotta grab some popcorn for these.
Love the lore vids, keep up the the great work byf!
Really think if they continue the grimoire cards destiny 2 they should have a librarian or a lore master with your voice narrating them. I'd sit and listen.
Byf just make a Pod Cast for Destiny...and your voice could be a good way to show Grimoires like how in Mass Effect you have a voice over in the Codex
I swear the music you've used in the background is from the ME3's Leviathan DLC. I love that DLC's soundtrack. Anyway, another fantastic lore video Byf.
This and your voice gives me the creeps, good video m8.
Another thought provoking video. Thanks byf
what's with the like to dislike ratio?
yo I love this content that you produce on your channel. Keep It Up!
So splicers are like the engineers of each fallen house
I always enjoy your lore videos most of all
so excited for what's coming up and great vid
The House of Devils are interesting in general, and I really wish to learn what they were originally. Put aside what we've seen of them, I want to see what they were when they were noble. Same with every other House: The Wolves, Winter, Scar, Stone, Judgment, and Kings. We know only a little bit, like the Kings being actual, well kings. Judgment making laws and stuff like that. But that's pretty much all we know.
Beautiful Carcass there was also house of rain
Zack Diabo Wow, I missed one of the key pre-whirlwind Houses... and I call myself "Kell of Scar" on the forums...
I would love to have conversation with you about the various politics of this game, because it has so much lore that needs to be brought to the forefront.
I think the House of Devils proper remains largely intact (or as close to it as we've ever seen it). the Devils have a large territory beyond Old Russia and I doubt the Splicers had the firepower to force them out, even with SIVA. I think this is mainly because there wasn't time for them to fully subjugate the House. The Rise of Iron campaign focuses on the intense pace at which Saladin beckons you to end things. This meant they also didn't have time to perfect and expand either.
What I think is more important is the position of the House of Devils and how it will influence the Kings. They are untouched since Twilight Gap, would a even-more fractured Devil House be the factor in their next plot?
I could listen to your voice all day
Hi Byf, I think I prefer your lore videos based on known facts from the grimoire rather than hypothesis and supposition. Enjoying your channel a lot though
A cool concept for destiny 2 would be the city teaming up with the house of kings to repel an invasion by the cabal empire.
Good morning from Australia, Byf!
Mazzei good afternoon from the US.
Let'sget some history on the Factions. Not just the main 3 in the tower (though extra backstory would be nice, such as the attempted coup by New Monarchy), but the one's who are not official, such as the Disciples of Osirus, Concordat, and Symmetry.
I know it's a lot of effort, so don't take this the wrong way. The lore was better with the artwork rather than game play in the background. just my opinion, still enjoy your channel.
Indeed. The extra lore episodes like this are simply to plug the gaps. I want to tell big stories like the Books of Sorrow or the Iron Lords with the animated art. Extra lore is more discussion based :)
My name is Byf ,
sweet! your episode on oryx was why I subscribed. beautifully done.
Could you do more machinima styled background gameplay rather then from the usual POV with the hud removed??? I think it would look very interesting especially when you are conveying the Lore across with the visual imagery to accompany it.
My name is Byf I actually prefer gameplay since I just listen to these without watching them.
+My name is Byf noice
I actually wonder if the Devils who attacked during the Gjallarhorn questline were the last remnants of the non-Splicer Devils who made a very desperate bid to try and take back the Traveller.
After all, if they could get back the Traveller they could get back their house and then some.
Granted, there was incredibly low chance of success.
Yay, an actual lore video instead of the daily click bait.
Anyone watching this in 2020 quarintine??
Hold on a minute: are you saying that the Kell killed by Rezyl Azzir belonged to the House of Devils?
The Grimoire card says that this Kell came from a Ketch with unfamiliar markings, which would seem to rule out the Devils given that they are the Fallen House guardians on Earth are most familiar with.
I even have a pet theory that it was the Kell of Winter before Draksis, whom the Kings replaced with Draksis, from the House of Devils (as his appearance suggests), which allowed them to plan the combined attack between the 3 Houses now that both the Devils and Winter were subordinated to the Kings.
Holy crap, I recommended this topic! Thanks byf!
Does anyone know who the first guardian we find dead in the moon was? I would like to know exactly what happened to him.
its totally believable that there was a civi war. after losing their home after all, they became more barbairic and ruthless. even amoung themselves. either way it's a nice theory.
Byf what if the star-catcher of legend isn't just some dreg but the whole of the fallen reaching up to become the once great eliksni
Bro your voice is so relaxing
I got here when I typed lore daddy because I forgot byfs name
would wanna have dialog with a Archon preist and a kel would be awsome
Byf, what about a video dedicated to the Whirlwind? Did you do one of those already and I just can't find it?
I would love to hear more about the Vault of Glass, Atheon in particular
plot twist when these make an appearance in 2021
Books of Sorrow part 3 coming anytime soon?
+Kyonaru we neeeeeeeeeeeeed it
To wrap up Destiny before the sequel, you think it's feasible to make a video streamlining the entire timeline of lore until present times? And with each passing point you could link a video covering the corresponding event (that naturally you've already done/would have done by then) to keep the presentation smooth, unless you make a documentary lol.
I dunno, just feel it'd be cool to celebrate your channel and its contribution to the community before saying goodbye to the game that brought us together.
Love your lore!
who is the mind behind SIVA? thats what i wanna know My name is Byf
Talk about the Nightstalkers hunters
Hawkmoon Lore
Another great video. Thanks.
Great video, Byf! Well done! Considering Variks' ROI card, is it not possible that some contingent of the Fallen feel that the Guardians saved their race to some extent?
bungle should hire byf to read the grimiore cards....if they were to ever add them to the game
Byf do you think that the trespasser sidearm could be the the last sidearm the gunsmith made for the guardian that went to investigate the vex and died (you a find a ghost on the first mission for the pocket infinity)
this is kind of off topic of the video but how is the cosmodrome laid out? that meaning how are all the walls setup and what land belongs to the city and what land is fallen territory if anyone knows of a map or anything that illustrates it well please link it.
Are there still Ghosts going around picking guardians? it would be interesting if Destiny 2 includes some Eliksni Guardians that got sick of the piracy and scavenging lifestyle.
yo its been six months since the last book of sorrow entry. When is that series going to continue?
Fallen believe that SIVA is god. We created SIVA. We are gods.
Vanpyro Gaming
We created it, but we couldn't control it, so in that aspect, I wouldn't consider us "gods."
But...
We've killed Kells, literal Hive Gods, destroyed the SIVA threat, and the Black Garden's Heart and Atheon.
Yeah, in THAT aspect, we definitely ARE gods.
Vanpyro Gaming
you are right LOL
The Spreer
sorry but you are WRONG we created SIVA so we can create something greater
Xur agent of the nine
"We"
Clovis Bray created SIVA back during the golden age.
Humanity is still vulnerable. We don't have the technology from the Golden Age to make anything greater.
The Spreer Humanity in Destiny represents nothing. Earth in majority is controlling by the Fallen, and we only have one safe city in the entire planet. And we, Guardians, are so blind to see the real cause of the Collapse, the Traveler. We are the weakest race of Destiny.
Are you going to do more 'Legends' videos, like you did with the Eliksni and Saint-14?
Please do more lore on the Eliksni who lived prior to the Whirlwind, and on the Cabal and Vex as well. Could you please do Raid lore on the Vault of Glass just like you did on Wrath of the Machine?
Hello there Byf.
YOU SAID WROTH TRIGGERED
Could you tell us about the Husk of the Pit and it's evolutions?
Okay, Ive been wondering for a while now.... What language is your 'Per Audacia Ad Astra'? I guess it translates to 'I'll see you star side' but what language does it come from?
anyone else become obsessed with neon green?
I think roi would of been better if the splicers had beat us and pushed us out of the plague lands. Making us guardians having to 'scout' the plague land for a weak ness.
is it possible that Siva could repair the traveler?
so im probably not the first one to say this but, could it be possible to get a fallen as a character choice? i mean since there is rebellions and even variks as a friendly npc, how cool would it be to have a fallen "class."
Crusifixion1713 because we play as guardians
this is very true, but what if there was a fallen that was worthy of becoming a guardian? im just throwing some ideas out, i also havent kept up with the lore so i dont know if its possible or not.
This mostly boils down to the two factions (Fallen and Guardians) setting aside their differences for some reason and joining forces to clear out the Earth and fight against the Dark as a whole.
Crusifixion1713 no. why would a ghost resurrect a fallen
maybe an alive fallen choses to leave and wants to be with the traveler and the guardians, but has to prove themselves that they are completely willing to take on the will of the traveler and is allowed to have light.
honestly its a stretch but i think it'd be cool to have a different race that is also a class.
I'm so pumped
do a lore vid about outbreak prime or the darkness or the traveler pls?
10:53 too many splicers will spoil the bwroth of the machine
wow great video
What primary r u using? (6:35)
the new exotic khovostov, with the "last warmind" ornament
Thank you sir! I did not recognize it with that ornament :)
Taxo Chacon khvostov with the last warming ornament
What gun are you using at 8:14? It looks badass
Moreps trials hand cannon
it's strange we as guardians have killed many gods and kings. but if we the guardians kill them would that make us demon's ?
What happened to pyramidion
So this is what rise of iron is about. Damn, widh i got a ps4
Hmm was there a civil war well maybe that would have been interesting IF IT WAS ACTUALLY IN THE GAME
I hear that Mass Effect soundtrack lol
What primary are you using at the start. Not the khostov with the ornament
The scout rifle
LevinTale 4 burning eye trials scout
dat boi 3 thnx
Personally I don't think it was a civil war as much as a coup
in destiny 2 maby we should be able to play as the fallen during the whirlwind
lord salidin nah
lord salidin no
G Eagle why
I hope we get to play as the Eliksni and get more lore about what actually happened. Desstiny 2 will continue the timeline of Destiny 1 and DLCs.
lord salidin maybe **
Which Omolon scout rifle is that at the end during the raid?
Lapis Lazuli Tlaloc, the Warlock exclusive gunsmith rank 3 exotic.
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No prob.
:)
i feel so bad for the fallen
Pudders Gaming loll why they are some ruthless dhoggs 😂😂😂
when hearing this all I think of is toaster leg
How much lore is there on the House of Kings?
Shaikh Farid not much
devil civil war ? I'm interested
Iron Kell aren't we all
K1t 123 yep
Definitely a possibility. It does make sense though.......the fallen have always been an unstable race. fighting amongst each other for control.
WOAH!
What's with the Like - Dislike ratio?!
This episode was pretty good!
Why has byf been getting so many dislikes recently ?