Perfect video for me! I just learned about the MotorGuide Xi3 and I have a PA14, so I was really interested in how you set yours up, the deploy and retrieve was the part I had questions about, but your solution is a great one. Thanks for sharing!
I will be literally copying your guide set up, have expe with xi5 from my boat when set up it, now I want yak fishing unit and this was my choice too, very well done my friend
If you buy the sw version, you're throwing money away. It's a sealed motor regardless, put an anode on the shaft, keep the motor painted and you just saved $100 or more..
I just installed a one objective mount on my hobie pa 12 today. I have the same motor guide trolling motor to setup next and do a test run to see how to best fine tune my setup.
That’s awesome! Some tips while your getting everything set up. You’ll want to run the trolling motor power cables on the opposite side of the kayak as your fishfinder transducer cables. I was getting interference when I had the transducer cable running next to the trolling motor power cable. The kayak will become very bow heavy so you’ll want to try to load up as much weight (batteries, tackle, etc) towards the back to offset it. I would also recommend getting some scupper plug if you don’t already have some, unless you don’t mind water in the boat. I added some because I was getting water coming into boat when making full throttle runs in the kayak using the motor. Other than that, it’s a good set up. You’ll have to watch out when you step towards the front the kayak, like if you’re trying to access the front hatch or something, because water will start coming in through the mirage drive opening. It all drains out when you step back but you don’t want to be doing it for too long. Enjoy!
Haha! I think you’ll really like the kayak. Super stable and the 360 drive makes it very maneuverable. I’ve posted quite a few videos fishing from that kayak. Enjoy!
Now to figure out how to get this on my Compass, haha. Clean install, I am thinking about getting the PA 12 for tournaments and using the Compass for drought stricken reservoirs (no ramps access) CA woes and quick trips.
Haha. Thanks. Ya adding it to Compass would be tough. I’m not sure that you can even find a mount. I really like the PA12. Had a Native Slayer 10 and upgraded to the PA12. Super stable and lots of room to store and add stuff. Highly recommend!
@@Generalneves007 Yeah, won't work on the Compass. I love that boat though and it has caught a lot of fish. I think a PA 12 will be a perfect tournament platform. My home lake is Clear Lake and the water gets pretty big. Compass handles it but the PA would be better.
Impressive installation!! I have been considering moving to either a Hobie PA or Titan with adding a motor guide. This provides a great look if I was to go with Hobie. Thank you!
I launch from the truck bed and wheel the kayak to the water. To be honest, the Pro Angler is a heavy kayak, especially when it is fully loaded. When I wheel my kayak down to the water, I take off the trolling motor because it makes it very heavy. Having the battery in the back kind of helps because it acts like a counter-weight. Having a trailer would definitely help and make it easier/faster to load and unload.
Just wondering if you still are using this setup? I have a 2022 Hobie PA12 that I am thinking about installing a Motor Guide XI3 on and was wondering if you had any second thoughts or cons,or regrets about you setup? I see most Hobies mount the XI3 on PA14's because of the water coming up in the PA12 drive opening. Was that the case for you? Thanks
The only downside of putting it on the PA12 is the water coming in through the drive opening. It does limit how much usable deck space you have because you can’t really stand towards the front. Other than that, I like the setup and haven’t really had many issues. I did have an issue with the Motorguide Xi3 where it started squeaking really loudly when it was running. I ended up having to take apart the lower unit and replacing some seals. Annoying because it was still in warranty but I didn’t really have a nearby place to take it to get the warranty claim done. If I had to do it all over again, I think I would’ve just gotten the old town autopilot 120. Minn Kota makes a better motor than Motorguide and it basically comes all rigged up already. And it would’ve been a lot cheaper.
Awesome video. I ordered the one objective now mount a couple days ago. Does it come with the rectangle mount/quick releases bracket… that the trolling motor goes on? If not please can you tell me where I can get that? Or a link. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!
Thanks! The Motorguide quick release bracket does not come with the one objective mount. You’ll need to order it separately. You can get it on Amazon for $60 right now, which is the cheapest I’ve seen. Here’s a link: www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07L3L8L3X?th=1&psc=1
Thanks for the quick reply man just ordered everything and then watched your video and realize that I’m missing the mount. thank you so much for the quick reply. Just ordered it off Amazon. 🎣🎣
Thank you for the video it is inspiring, I have the PA14 and I was thinking to add a electric motor and you have impressed me on how nice you have done this
i like my motor guide but was a lemon i had every part changed in it.Now i got the programmer so i just put that on it when it stops an its starts going again its crazy.I want to put it on ascend133 its 36v i got a gator lithium battery pack it only weighs 110 lbs i am going to take it on trailor anyway so weight dont matter
Thanks! Actually you don’t lose the fish finder mount. Since making this video, I have added a new fish finder to the kayak and I have it mounted the the front H-Rail. The trolling motor gets close to the fish finder but it still fits. If you did have trouble mounting it, you could offset it left or right so it doesn’t hit the trolling motor.
Very nice install. It seems that the battery consumption gauge might be easier to read on the water if it were installed just under your fish finder though.
No I don’t. I just pull the motor up into the stowed position and then reach to the front to remove the weeds. I do have to remove them quickly because water enters through the mirage drive opening when I stand towards the front of the kayak. Thats the one issue with installing the motor on a PA12. But the water self drains back out the mirage drive opening so it might just take a few attempts to clear out all the weeds.
sounds like Old Town is for the best, any words on that? I'm trying to do some comparisons. for basic fishing, large mouth small mouth and other, creeks/rivers, lakes
When I originally bought the Hobie, I wasn't planning on putting a trolling motor on it. If I was to do it again, I would've gone with the Old Town Autopilot 120. The 12' Hobie PA is just not ideal for adding a trolling motor, it changed the kayak dynamics quite a bit. I think the 14' PA is better suited than the 12'. You can't really beat when the kayak comes with a trolling motor and was specifically designed for that scenario. I am currently selling the Hobie and almost bought a Autopilot but ended up getting a pond prowler because I want to take my son out with me.
Thanks for the idea! I actually ended up placing some washers between the brackets to add separation but I should also add loctite to the bolts. Thanks!
Yes I did change the routing of the cable for the battery and fishfinder. I ended up drilling a hole in the back area and running the power cable for the motor along the starboard side of the kayak. Then I ran the fishfinder cables along the port side of the kayak. That fixed my interference issue with sidescan.
@@Generalneves007 Gotcha. I currently have my fishfinder cable coming up through the through hole and into the transducer cavity and was planning to run the trolling motor cable the same way but I'm assuming I would get interference that way as well?
@@scottcarlin2304 That’s how I originally wired everything up and I had problems. I even tried moving the fishfinder to one side and the battery cable to the other but the problem still persisted. Running the battery and transducer through the same thru-hull was the problem.
Nice set up. I'm looking at doing the same to my PA 12 360 and currently have a Bioenno 80Ah battery for it and was wondering what type of run time you had with it? Also any issue with water in the hull being it's a 360? Thanks Sean
Thanks Sean! The run time really depends on how many long runs you are making because that's where most of the power draw is when going full speed. For reference, going full speed non-stop, the battery would last about 2 hours and 30 mins. I know this isn't realistic but it gives you an idea on how much power draw is at full speed, 30 amps at full speed. If you're just making a few long runs and mainly fishing shorelines or structure, it will last you all day, almost 2 if you don't go full speed too much. I've never drained the 80Ah. I have noticed some water in the hull recently. I'm trying to pin-point where it's coming in from. I think it may be the 360 drive cable tube. Hope this helps!
My thinking when I made this video was that I wanted to have access to the battery box and I couldn’t do it if the crate was in front of it. But I since ended up swapping the battery box and crate. And also I needed to redistribute weight on the kayak so I put the battery further back.
@@Generalneves007 With regard to the weight distribution comment you made in your reply, did you find that the weight of the bow mounted motor needed to be offset with the battery being positioned further aft? What issues did you encounter when you had the battery positioned in front of your crate. I’m about to rig my PA12 with an xi3 and am trying to settle the battery placement issue. Thanks
@@Osprey1955 given the weight of the xi3 and the fact that most of that weight is hanging over the bow of the kayak, you’ll want to position the battery as far back as you can. The main issue has to do with water coming through the drive opening when you step towards the front of the kayak when fishing. Besides weight distribution, the only issue I had with having the battery box in front of the crate was that it made it harder to access the crate because I was having to reach further.
I have another quick question for you on this setup. Over this past weekend i had my lithium battery completely shutdown on me while trying to make a long run on full power. I was told the battery meter is the culprit. Has your battery overheated with this setup?
The battery meter I had stopped working quite a long time ago. I'm not sure what happened to it but maybe it got wet. I never ended up replacing it because I didn't find myself going on fishing trips where I was making lots of long runs. In terms of the actual battery overheating, I've never had a battery overheat on me. I would second the battery meter being the problem. That may not be designed for the long runs that draw high current for an extended period of time. Were you able to confirm that it was the battery that shut down on you and not the meter? Does your setup allow you to not have the meter connected?
The LCD Power Analyzer device you have in series with your battery to motor - Amazon information says it has 12guage wires. Any issues going from your 8gauge run reducing down to 12 gauge going through the Power Analyzer?
I actually changed the wires on that power analyzer to 8gauge. It wasn't done very cleanly because the case is not meant to fit the large wire diameter but it worked. Thinking about it further, you might be able to get away with using the stock 12gauge wire on the power analyzer because its a very short length and 12gauge wire should be able to handle up to about 40 amps. I saw a current draw of about 30 amps with the Xi3 running at full speed. It's worth trying the 12 gauge wire but I already removed them from my unit.
Yes I did have interference issues. I ended up moving where I ran the trolling motor battery wires to a different part. I drilled a hole and used a thru-hull fitting to run the wire along the starboard side. I moved where I mounted the fish finder and ran the transducer wire along the port side.
Great video and set up. I'll be using this set up on my nucanoe unlimited. Question - how hard was it to feed the spectra line through the 1/4' tube? Did you need a wire of some sort?
Thanks! It was pretty easy. As long as the line doesn’t fray at the end too much, it’s easy to feed through. The spectra line also has some stiffness that makes it feed easier. You shouldn’t have any issues.
It does add a little over 40lbs to the front of the kayak. It doesn't affect stability very much. When you have the motor in the water, it kind of helps with stability because it essentially adds side-to-side resistance in the water. It wouldn't say it improves stability but it certainly doesn't make it so unstable that you have trouble standing or moving around in the kayak.
Thanks! The install has held up really well. Due to the added weight of the motor on the front, I had to install scupper plugs so that water wouldn't start coming up while going full speed. Also, I ran the transducer cable and battery power cables through the same thru-hull fitting in the kayak and the battery wires are causing interference in the side-scan of my Humminbird fishfinder. I plan to change that wire routing eventually. In terms of the battery and motor, they have been great. I did have an issue recently with the motor making a loud squeaking sound when the prop rotates. I had to take the lower motor unit housing apart and grease the shaft to stop the squeaking. Other than that, it has been good. The battery gives me plenty of range to fish.
If I’m just fishing a shoreline and picking it apart, yes I steer with the remote. If making a longer run, I just point the motor straight ahead and use the kayak rudder to steer. It become sketchy when going full speed and turning the motor with the remote.
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No I haven’t. It’s not very common for the plug to get wet unless your taking on water. And the Anderson connector is well designed such that it’s difficult to cause a short with water unless it’s completely submerged.
Nice video and very informative. Great solution to the TM deployment. Off topic but do you have an idea as to how the 12 compares to the 14? Thinking of going either 12 or Outback. I’m 5’5”. Thanks!!
Thanks! I don’t have any experience with the PA14 but I know it’s more stable than the 12, which is already really stable. They’re both good kayaks. The PA12 is going to be a little more stable due to its width but the Outback will be lighter and easier to transport. You’ll be stoked with either one.
Thanks. Fished a ton out of the older Revolution. Still have it and would fish out of it now but standing up is a high wire act. It’s surfing. Not really cut out for freshwater tournaments. Actually the seat is the big detractor. It’s basically a padded plank. Ten years ago I could deal with that. Not now!! Will look into getting one or the other this year once I sell my Revo. Thanks and best of luck.
Do you find the xi3 on the bow with all the weight makes your standing stability or the handling of the boat awkward in any way or different? Would you still recommend this setup after using it for awhile against adding a something like a stern mounted nk180 ?
I don’t have any stability issues with having the Xi3 bow mounted. I would still recommend the Xi3 over a stern mounted motor. The stern motor is primarily used to get you from spot to spot and will do a better job at it than the Xi3. Using the 360 drive for fishing and the nk180 for traveling longer distance is a good combo. But in my opinion, an Xi3 is more versatile and having spot lock is a game changer.
@@SliderLife You’re welcome! I’m glad it helped you out. The shaft is 36”. You can see the motor at bass pro via this link: www.basspro.com/shop/en/motorguide-xi3-freshwater-gps-kayak-motor?hvarAID=shopping_googleproductextensions&ds_e=GOOGLE&ds_c=BPS%7CShopping%7CPMax%7CBoating%7CGeneral%7CNAud%7CNVol%7CNMT&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD1TgtdhallV-4hXH3AduB0iWvMFc&gclid=CjwKCAjw3624BhBAEiwAkxgTOrJcs4C5UvOGo2LfSnFuTIQoWECPzrT_otHyaRZfyY-HOdNuKK4PaBoCRUUQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
what is the total weight of this boat i just looking for the one hold the most weight why i seen video few mins ago said ascend is like 550 lbs..this what my gator lithium has anderson connection so this is good upgrade what you did fit my battery
The bare weight of the kayak is 133lbs but that’s without any of the extras. The weight capacity of the kayak is 500lbs.The battery weighs about 22lbs, I think the motor is about 30-40lbs. I’m still pretty well under the capacity.
I used a total of six Anderson connectors: two for the motor-to-power connection, two for the battery box-to-motor wire connection and two for the inline power meter. Without the inline power meter, you only need four. I recommend you getting a good crimper for the leads so they insert well into the Anderson connector housing. But the Anderson connectors have been holding up very well. No issues for me. Highly recommend them.
@@MarioNeigert-om8kv It is the Panoptix livescope pole mount. You can find it on Amazon here: www.amazon.com/010-12676-15-Livescope-Panoptix-Transducer-LiveScope/dp/B0CHMH2K7V/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=BVDNXFT78B0I&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.IcjkS4FmLxAYJDaP-rS9_qwwSxAPAkcbOghbvi1dG-0xzhNiZVSoYOTYK9LlaLCYF0N2xNrkfIHfu-_nLcCsTshg57WdvwQ31zQLF3x_k-K9hJ1M-FtSaO7y2U5jXcZQGJYY5VspDOeQx7qJ1Q7kBpJUfs658wN-GhUwsyDxsQEPF-5PC8C8H6OhBuBJoK7J-XVM8WOfvSkt10E9iRbXug.pzCToBpawnhDueO1Ejhvfn8cwBKr6JNhnY1Y4VPCKlE&dib_tag=se&keywords=panoptix+mount&qid=1725425597&sprefix=panoptix+%2Caps%2C161&sr=8-3
With the motor deployed, I can probably go 18 to 24” of water before pulling it up. Might be able to go a bit shallower if you raise the motor a tad. Without the motor deployed, could probably be fine in 12” of water. I’ve never gone that shallow but I think you might be able to do it.
Run time depends on how much time you spend making long runs at full speed. As a reference, going constant full speed at 4.7mph, the battery will last 2 hours and 40 minutes. If you back it off to a constant 4mph, it will last 4 hours. On one of my longer trips, I made about 7 miles worth of full speed runs and then just cruising around fishing for like 8 hours and I used probably about half the battery. If you don't really make any full speed runs and just fish shorelines, this setup will last you probably 2 days or more.
Thanks Matthew! I just used a knife to cut the 2 wires down the middle and got a little closer to the wires so that I was able to separate the sleeve. I hope that helps. It wasn’t too difficult.
@@Generalneves007 thank you. What I am trying to figure out is the white duplex covering. When the wire comes out of the through hull and into a connector did you slide the white sleeve back on? Makes for a nice clean look.
I’m not actually sure what the registration renewal cost is yet. I just paid the original fees at the DMV and I haven’t had to renew it yet. I should be getting the renewal this year. I don’t believe there is any luxury tax on it.
Top speed is about 4.7mph. Distance depends on how much time you spend making long runs at full speed. As a reference, going constant full speed at 4.7mph, the battery will last 2 hours and 40 minutes. If you back it off to a constant 4mph, it will last 4 hours. On one of my longer trips, I made about 7 miles worth of full speed runs and then just cruising around fishing for like 8 hours and I used probably a little less than half of the battery.
Awesome video, answered a lot of questions. Also like the links in the description below provided. Random question for you..... Have you had any problems with your Xi3 so far? I have had the control module replaced twice so far and it keeps going out for no apparent reason. Just wondered if you have any feedback? Thanks again !!!
The only issue I’ve had with my Xi3 is the motor prop shaft started squeaking loudly. I had to take apart the motor housing and grease the prop shaft. Ended up also replacing the seals too.
Thanks man! Run time depends on how much time you spend making long runs at full speed. As a reference, going constant full speed at 4.7mph, the battery will last 2 hours and 40 minutes. If you back it off to a constant 4mph, it will last 4 hours. On one of my longer trips, I made about 7 miles worth of full speed runs and then just cruising around fishing for like 8 hours and I used probably about half the battery.
I was getting water coming in through the scuppers but I plugged them and now it’s good. I still do get some water coming in through the drive insert opening when I step towards the front of kayak. But the water drains right out when I sit back.
@@Generalneves007 I've been getting water inside my hull not sure if it's going in through the drive area or maybe the transducer through hull under the seat
@@albertflores4479 Ya I’m not getting any water coming through the transducer opening. Are you getting water coming in all the time or just when your traveling using the motor?
@@albertflores4479 Do you have scupper plugs for the scuppers under the seat? I was getting water coming in when going full speed and it was the scuppers.
Unfortunately, your video didn’t exist when I did my install. But I’ll check it out. I don’t mind drilling two small holes to have an overall cleaner install.
@@Generalneves007 I don't see how doing more and drilling is cleaner than just pulling straight back and I understand it may not have existed when you did your install just wanted to let folks know that you don't hafto alter anything that's all maybe it'll help in the future for ya have a good one and hope you catchem all brother.
Thanks! The motor was about $1400, the battery was $750, and probably another $100-200 in all the little pieces (tubing, line guides, battery box, etc.).
My guy said it gets in at around your drive system. He has had several people with the same issue. If it’s not to bad then I may be able to live with it. I just need some confirmation from some others with the 360.
@@jetco5906 I’ll take a look to see if it’s coming through the drive on my unit. I could see that it may be able to come through the drive line connection. There is a like a rubber flange inside the hull of the kayak that is supposed to seal the driveline and not let water come through. My first thought was that but I haven’t looked into it further.
Perfect video for me! I just learned about the MotorGuide Xi3 and I have a PA14, so I was really interested in how you set yours up, the deploy and retrieve was the part I had questions about, but your solution is a great one. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks Joey! Glad the video was able to help you out.
I will be literally copying your guide set up, have expe with xi5 from my boat when set up it, now I want yak fishing unit and this was my choice too, very well done my friend
Thanks! Glad I could be of help!
Thanks, very helpful as I've been on the fence for a while on this. Glad to see they make a saltwater version too. Really appreciated.
Thanks! Glad I could help you out!
If you buy the sw version, you're throwing money away. It's a sealed motor regardless, put an anode on the shaft, keep the motor painted and you just saved $100 or more..
I know who I’m calling when I get my setup!
You won’t regret it!
Thanks for the upload. You solved a few problems I was thinking about.
Thanks man! Glad I could help!
I just installed a one objective mount on my hobie pa 12 today. I have the same motor guide trolling motor to setup next and do a test run to see how to best fine tune my setup.
That’s awesome! Some tips while your getting everything set up. You’ll want to run the trolling motor power cables on the opposite side of the kayak as your fishfinder transducer cables. I was getting interference when I had the transducer cable running next to the trolling motor power cable. The kayak will become very bow heavy so you’ll want to try to load up as much weight (batteries, tackle, etc) towards the back to offset it. I would also recommend getting some scupper plug if you don’t already have some, unless you don’t mind water in the boat. I added some because I was getting water coming into boat when making full throttle runs in the kayak using the motor. Other than that, it’s a good set up. You’ll have to watch out when you step towards the front the kayak, like if you’re trying to access the front hatch or something, because water will start coming in through the mirage drive opening. It all drains out when you step back but you don’t want to be doing it for too long. Enjoy!
@@Generalneves007 I was wondering about getting water and how the bow weight affects things…thanks for your input!
Awesome you answer a bunch of question and gave great options. Thanks Again
Thanks Randall! Glad I was able to help you out!
Nice Kayak! I found this video extra interesting! 😂😂 cant wait to try it out!
Haha! I think you’ll really like the kayak. Super stable and the 360 drive makes it very maneuverable. I’ve posted quite a few videos fishing from that kayak. Enjoy!
Now to figure out how to get this on my Compass, haha. Clean install, I am thinking about getting the PA 12 for tournaments and using the Compass for drought stricken reservoirs (no ramps access) CA woes and quick trips.
Haha. Thanks. Ya adding it to Compass would be tough. I’m not sure that you can even find a mount. I really like the PA12. Had a Native Slayer 10 and upgraded to the PA12. Super stable and lots of room to store and add stuff. Highly recommend!
@@Generalneves007 Yeah, won't work on the Compass. I love that boat though and it has caught a lot of fish. I think a PA 12 will be a perfect tournament platform. My home lake is Clear Lake and the water gets pretty big. Compass handles it but the PA would be better.
@@db9818 Ya the PA will handle Clearlake better, especially when it gets windy.
nice setup, i want to buy Seastream angler 120 and i don't know if a trolling motor like the Xi3 will fit
@@Retwak Thanks! I’m not familiar with the Seastream Angler kayak but you can probably find a mount for it.
Very nice. I’ve been considering this motor so your video really helps. Thanks!
Thanks Rick! I'm glad it was helpful for you.
love your setup.
Thanks Keith! Appreciate it!
Impressive installation!! I have been considering moving to either a Hobie PA or Titan with adding a motor guide. This provides a great look if I was to go with Hobie. Thank you!
Thanks! You won't regret going with a Hobie PA, if you go that route.
@@Generalneves007 Question: do you trailer or launch from truck bed? Manageable for an old guy?
I launch from the truck bed and wheel the kayak to the water. To be honest, the Pro Angler is a heavy kayak, especially when it is fully loaded. When I wheel my kayak down to the water, I take off the trolling motor because it makes it very heavy. Having the battery in the back kind of helps because it acts like a counter-weight. Having a trailer would definitely help and make it easier/faster to load and unload.
Appreciate you making this video.👍
You’re welcome! Glad it could be of help.
Just wondering if you still are using this setup? I have a 2022 Hobie PA12 that I am thinking about installing a Motor Guide XI3 on and was wondering if you had any second thoughts or cons,or regrets about you setup? I see most Hobies mount the XI3 on PA14's because of the water coming up in the PA12 drive opening. Was that the case for you? Thanks
The only downside of putting it on the PA12 is the water coming in through the drive opening. It does limit how much usable deck space you have because you can’t really stand towards the front. Other than that, I like the setup and haven’t really had many issues. I did have an issue with the Motorguide Xi3 where it started squeaking really loudly when it was running. I ended up having to take apart the lower unit and replacing some seals. Annoying because it was still in warranty but I didn’t really have a nearby place to take it to get the warranty claim done. If I had to do it all over again, I think I would’ve just gotten the old town autopilot 120. Minn Kota makes a better motor than Motorguide and it basically comes all rigged up already. And it would’ve been a lot cheaper.
Awesome video. I ordered the one objective now mount a couple days ago. Does it come with the rectangle mount/quick releases bracket… that the trolling motor goes on? If not please can you tell me where I can get that? Or a link. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!
Thanks! The Motorguide quick release bracket does not come with the one objective mount. You’ll need to order it separately. You can get it on Amazon for $60 right now, which is the cheapest I’ve seen. Here’s a link: www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07L3L8L3X?th=1&psc=1
Thanks for the quick reply man just ordered everything and then watched your video and realize that I’m missing the mount. thank you so much for the quick reply. Just ordered it off Amazon. 🎣🎣
Thank you for the video it is inspiring, I have the PA14 and I was thinking to add a electric motor and you have impressed me on how nice you have done this
Thank you for the nice comment!
@@Generalneves007 what cable did you use from the Battery to the Motor? can you give me a description please.
@@meraioan I used 8 gauge wire from West Marine. There is a link to the wire in the video description.
@@Generalneves007 thanks
Excellent video! Really helped me out
Thanks man! Glad it helped!
i like my motor guide but was a lemon i had every part changed in it.Now i got the programmer so i just put that on it when it stops an its starts going again its crazy.I want to put it on ascend133 its 36v i got a gator lithium battery pack it only weighs 110 lbs i am going to take it on trailor anyway so weight dont matter
That’s unfortunate man. Luckily the Motorguide has been good for me so far. 🤞🏻
Nice setup, now, with this trolling motor you lose the fish finder in the front H-rail, what it’s that?
Thanks! Actually you don’t lose the fish finder mount. Since making this video, I have added a new fish finder to the kayak and I have it mounted the the front H-Rail. The trolling motor gets close to the fish finder but it still fits. If you did have trouble mounting it, you could offset it left or right so it doesn’t hit the trolling motor.
Good job, nice attention to detail. Thanks I learned a lot!
Thanks Paul! Glad it was helpful for you!
Cool kayak!😃👍
Thanks man!
Very nice install. It seems that the battery consumption gauge might be easier to read on the water if it were installed just under your fish finder though.
That’s a good idea. Ya I may end up doing that. Thanks!
Very nice setup man. I think Maybe get something stronger then key ring. I could see that failing over time. Thanks for sharing great video.
Thanks! Agreed about the key ring. I'm currently trying to find something else to put in it's place.
Do you have to get out of your kayak to remove remove weed when it fouls the prop ?
No I don’t. I just pull the motor up into the stowed position and then reach to the front to remove the weeds. I do have to remove them quickly because water enters through the mirage drive opening when I stand towards the front of the kayak. Thats the one issue with installing the motor on a PA12. But the water self drains back out the mirage drive opening so it might just take a few attempts to clear out all the weeds.
When the xi3 is not deployed, is there room on your front H-Rail to mount your graphs and at the same time not interfere with the pedal drive? Thanks
Yes there is room. I’ve actually upgraded my fishfinder since making the video and I have it mounted on the front H-Rail.
Use some of the locking nuts that won't allow the bolts to back out.
Thanks! Ya that’s what I ended up doing. I added some washers in between to create the gap and used lock nuts to keep it from loosening.
sounds like Old Town is for the best, any words on that? I'm trying to do some comparisons. for basic fishing, large mouth small mouth and other, creeks/rivers, lakes
When I originally bought the Hobie, I wasn't planning on putting a trolling motor on it. If I was to do it again, I would've gone with the Old Town Autopilot 120. The 12' Hobie PA is just not ideal for adding a trolling motor, it changed the kayak dynamics quite a bit. I think the 14' PA is better suited than the 12'. You can't really beat when the kayak comes with a trolling motor and was specifically designed for that scenario. I am currently selling the Hobie and almost bought a Autopilot but ended up getting a pond prowler because I want to take my son out with me.
Use blue lock tight so hold the garmin mount on the trolling motor shaft. Dont use super glue! lol but hell of a setup!
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Thanks for the idea! I actually ended up placing some washers between the brackets to add separation but I should also add loctite to the bolts. Thanks!
I was able to use some of these ideas. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks! I'm glad I could help you out!
@Generalneves007 Did you ever change the routing of the cable and did that solve the issue with the interference with your side scan?
Yes I did change the routing of the cable for the battery and fishfinder. I ended up drilling a hole in the back area and running the power cable for the motor along the starboard side of the kayak. Then I ran the fishfinder cables along the port side of the kayak. That fixed my interference issue with sidescan.
@@Generalneves007 Gotcha. I currently have my fishfinder cable coming up through the through hole and into the transducer cavity and was planning to run the trolling motor cable the same way but I'm assuming I would get interference that way as well?
@@scottcarlin2304 That’s how I originally wired everything up and I had problems. I even tried moving the fishfinder to one side and the battery cable to the other but the problem still persisted. Running the battery and transducer through the same thru-hull was the problem.
Nice set up. I'm looking at doing the same to my PA 12 360 and currently have a Bioenno 80Ah battery for it and was wondering what type of run time you had with it? Also any issue with water in the hull being it's a 360? Thanks
Sean
Thanks Sean! The run time really depends on how many long runs you are making because that's where most of the power draw is when going full speed. For reference, going full speed non-stop, the battery would last about 2 hours and 30 mins. I know this isn't realistic but it gives you an idea on how much power draw is at full speed, 30 amps at full speed. If you're just making a few long runs and mainly fishing shorelines or structure, it will last you all day, almost 2 if you don't go full speed too much. I've never drained the 80Ah. I have noticed some water in the hull recently. I'm trying to pin-point where it's coming in from. I think it may be the 360 drive cable tube. Hope this helps!
@@Generalneves007 Thanks for the feedback. I'll keep you posted on my install 👍
@@demolition_fishing Thanks and good luck!
Am curious about the placement of your battery box. Why did you put it forward of your crate instead of behind the crate? Any particular reason?
My thinking when I made this video was that I wanted to have access to the battery box and I couldn’t do it if the crate was in front of it. But I since ended up swapping the battery box and crate. And also I needed to redistribute weight on the kayak so I put the battery further back.
@@Generalneves007
With regard to the weight distribution comment you made in your reply, did you find that the weight of the bow mounted motor needed to be offset with the battery being positioned further aft? What issues did you encounter when you had the battery positioned in front of your crate. I’m about to rig my PA12 with an xi3 and am trying to settle the battery placement issue. Thanks
@@Osprey1955 given the weight of the xi3 and the fact that most of that weight is hanging over the bow of the kayak, you’ll want to position the battery as far back as you can. The main issue has to do with water coming through the drive opening when you step towards the front of the kayak when fishing. Besides weight distribution, the only issue I had with having the battery box in front of the crate was that it made it harder to access the crate because I was having to reach further.
I have another quick question for you on this setup. Over this past weekend i had my lithium battery completely shutdown on me while trying to make a long run on full power. I was told the battery meter is the culprit.
Has your battery overheated with this setup?
The battery meter I had stopped working quite a long time ago. I'm not sure what happened to it but maybe it got wet. I never ended up replacing it because I didn't find myself going on fishing trips where I was making lots of long runs. In terms of the actual battery overheating, I've never had a battery overheat on me. I would second the battery meter being the problem. That may not be designed for the long runs that draw high current for an extended period of time. Were you able to confirm that it was the battery that shut down on you and not the meter? Does your setup allow you to not have the meter connected?
The LCD Power Analyzer device you have in series with your battery to motor - Amazon information says it has 12guage wires. Any issues going from your 8gauge run reducing down to 12 gauge going through the Power Analyzer?
I actually changed the wires on that power analyzer to 8gauge. It wasn't done very cleanly because the case is not meant to fit the large wire diameter but it worked. Thinking about it further, you might be able to get away with using the stock 12gauge wire on the power analyzer because its a very short length and 12gauge wire should be able to handle up to about 40 amps. I saw a current draw of about 30 amps with the Xi3 running at full speed. It's worth trying the 12 gauge wire but I already removed them from my unit.
How did you hook up your nav lights? Are they on all the time or do you have a switch to turn them on and off?
I have them hooked up to the yak power switcher.
Any interference from the TM to the FF with those cables so close??
Yes I did have interference issues. I ended up moving where I ran the trolling motor battery wires to a different part. I drilled a hole and used a thru-hull fitting to run the wire along the starboard side. I moved where I mounted the fish finder and ran the transducer wire along the port side.
Can you use the mirage drive while the motor is stowed or does it hit
Yes you can still pedal the mirage drive when the motor is stowed.
Really clean! Good work!
Thanks man!
Wouldn't you think for the kind of $ MG charges for the Xi3 it would have auto deploy and stow on the fob? Just saying.... Great vid.
@@CB-se4rs Thanks! Ya unfortunately you have to pay about double of what an Xi3 costs to get those features. Would be awesome though.
Do they advise a 50A or 60A circuit breaker for that motor?
You can use either. In the Motorguide user manual, they say the 50A breaker is the “good” option and the 60A breaker is the “best” option.
Great video and set up. I'll be using this set up on my nucanoe unlimited. Question - how hard was it to feed the spectra line through the 1/4' tube? Did you need a wire of some sort?
Thanks! It was pretty easy. As long as the line doesn’t fray at the end too much, it’s easy to feed through. The spectra line also has some stiffness that makes it feed easier. You shouldn’t have any issues.
Did you have Any issues due to the 8 awg wire? Maybe with heating up wires?
Nope. The 8 awg is working fine. The current draw of the motor is below the wire rating.
How much weight does it add to the front of your kayak ? And does it take alway from the stability of the yak?
It does add a little over 40lbs to the front of the kayak. It doesn't affect stability very much. When you have the motor in the water, it kind of helps with stability because it essentially adds side-to-side resistance in the water. It wouldn't say it improves stability but it certainly doesn't make it so unstable that you have trouble standing or moving around in the kayak.
Great information. Very helpful.
Thanks!
Good video, looks like its been about a year so how has the install held up? and how well did he battery and motor combo perform?
Thanks! The install has held up really well. Due to the added weight of the motor on the front, I had to install scupper plugs so that water wouldn't start coming up while going full speed. Also, I ran the transducer cable and battery power cables through the same thru-hull fitting in the kayak and the battery wires are causing interference in the side-scan of my Humminbird fishfinder. I plan to change that wire routing eventually. In terms of the battery and motor, they have been great. I did have an issue recently with the motor making a loud squeaking sound when the prop rotates. I had to take the lower motor unit housing apart and grease the shaft to stop the squeaking. Other than that, it has been good. The battery gives me plenty of range to fish.
I’m presuming u steer it with the remote ?
If I’m just fishing a shoreline and picking it apart, yes I steer with the remote. If making a longer run, I just point the motor straight ahead and use the kayak rudder to steer. It become sketchy when going full speed and turning the motor with the remote.
Hi. Great video. What boxes are using under seat? THX.
Thanks man! I bought two Sterilite plastic drawer boxes from Amazon. Here’s the link: www.amazon.com/Sterilite-20518006PK2-Sackable-Storage-Drawer/dp/B00YFPW3B0?pd_rd_w=GjT1n&pf_rd_p=de28a4b0-e3d5-4d62-a7ec-045d2f5964b4&pf_rd_r=QY2RMWP2SJWYNNV2QYZB&pd_rd_r=52b21f06-182e-42ed-bdda-c9a24f65bcbb&pd_rd_wg=6E3kG&pd_rd_i=B00YFPW3B0&psc=1&ref_=pd_bap_m_rp_1_sc
have you had problems with the plug for the trolling motor getting wet giving you motor problems?
No I haven’t. It’s not very common for the plug to get wet unless your taking on water. And the Anderson connector is well designed such that it’s difficult to cause a short with water unless it’s completely submerged.
Nice video and very informative. Great solution to the TM deployment. Off topic but do you have an idea as to how the 12 compares to the 14? Thinking of going either 12 or Outback. I’m 5’5”. Thanks!!
Thanks! I don’t have any experience with the PA14 but I know it’s more stable than the 12, which is already really stable. They’re both good kayaks. The PA12 is going to be a little more stable due to its width but the Outback will be lighter and easier to transport. You’ll be stoked with either one.
Thanks. Fished a ton out of the older Revolution. Still have it and would fish out of it now but standing up is a high wire act. It’s surfing. Not really cut out for freshwater tournaments. Actually the seat is the big detractor. It’s basically a padded plank. Ten years ago I could deal with that. Not now!! Will look into getting one or the other this year once I sell my Revo. Thanks and best of luck.
Do you find the xi3 on the bow with all the weight makes your standing stability or the handling of the boat awkward in any way or different? Would you still recommend this setup after using it for awhile against adding a something like a stern mounted nk180 ?
I don’t have any stability issues with having the Xi3 bow mounted. I would still recommend the Xi3 over a stern mounted motor. The stern motor is primarily used to get you from spot to spot and will do a better job at it than the Xi3. Using the 360 drive for fishing and the nk180 for traveling longer distance is a good combo. But in my opinion, an Xi3 is more versatile and having spot lock is a game changer.
Literally ordered everything you put in bio thanks so much , how long is your shaft on trolling motor the link for motor doesn’t work anymore
@@SliderLife You’re welcome! I’m glad it helped you out. The shaft is 36”. You can see the motor at bass pro via this link: www.basspro.com/shop/en/motorguide-xi3-freshwater-gps-kayak-motor?hvarAID=shopping_googleproductextensions&ds_e=GOOGLE&ds_c=BPS%7CShopping%7CPMax%7CBoating%7CGeneral%7CNAud%7CNVol%7CNMT&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD1TgtdhallV-4hXH3AduB0iWvMFc&gclid=CjwKCAjw3624BhBAEiwAkxgTOrJcs4C5UvOGo2LfSnFuTIQoWECPzrT_otHyaRZfyY-HOdNuKK4PaBoCRUUQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
@@Generalneves007 your a legend appreciate it such a fast response I subscribed hoping I see another video mane get back to the fishing 😃 🔥🔥‼️😂
@@SliderLife haha thanks man! Feel free to reach out if you have any questions.
what is the total weight of this boat i just looking for the one hold the most weight why i seen video few mins ago said ascend is like 550 lbs..this what my gator lithium has anderson connection so this is good upgrade what you did fit my battery
The bare weight of the kayak is 133lbs but that’s without any of the extras. The weight capacity of the kayak is 500lbs.The battery weighs about 22lbs, I think the motor is about 30-40lbs. I’m still pretty well under the capacity.
Excellent video.
Thanks!
Great set up. 😁🤙🏼
Thanks man!
How many Anderson connectors did you use total? Holding up well?
I used a total of six Anderson connectors: two for the motor-to-power connection, two for the battery box-to-motor wire connection and two for the inline power meter. Without the inline power meter, you only need four. I recommend you getting a good crimper for the leads so they insert well into the Anderson connector housing. But the Anderson connectors have been holding up very well. No issues for me. Highly recommend them.
Where i can buy the shaft Mount for the rope?
@@MarioNeigert-om8kv It is the Panoptix livescope pole mount. You can find it on Amazon here: www.amazon.com/010-12676-15-Livescope-Panoptix-Transducer-LiveScope/dp/B0CHMH2K7V/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=BVDNXFT78B0I&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.IcjkS4FmLxAYJDaP-rS9_qwwSxAPAkcbOghbvi1dG-0xzhNiZVSoYOTYK9LlaLCYF0N2xNrkfIHfu-_nLcCsTshg57WdvwQ31zQLF3x_k-K9hJ1M-FtSaO7y2U5jXcZQGJYY5VspDOeQx7qJ1Q7kBpJUfs658wN-GhUwsyDxsQEPF-5PC8C8H6OhBuBJoK7J-XVM8WOfvSkt10E9iRbXug.pzCToBpawnhDueO1Ejhvfn8cwBKr6JNhnY1Y4VPCKlE&dib_tag=se&keywords=panoptix+mount&qid=1725425597&sprefix=panoptix+%2Caps%2C161&sr=8-3
@@Generalneves007 Thank you very much
How shallow can you get with this setup?
With the motor deployed, I can probably go 18 to 24” of water before pulling it up. Might be able to go a bit shallower if you raise the motor a tad. Without the motor deployed, could probably be fine in 12” of water. I’ve never gone that shallow but I think you might be able to do it.
Nicely done
Thanks!
For How long can you run your trolling motor with that battery?
Run time depends on how much time you spend making long runs at full speed. As a reference, going constant full speed at 4.7mph, the battery will last 2 hours and 40 minutes. If you back it off to a constant 4mph, it will last 4 hours. On one of my longer trips, I made about 7 miles worth of full speed runs and then just cruising around fishing for like 8 hours and I used probably about half the battery. If you don't really make any full speed runs and just fish shorelines, this setup will last you probably 2 days or more.
nice clean install. Have to ask how did you keep the sleeve on the wire?
Thanks Matthew! I just used a knife to cut the 2 wires down the middle and got a little closer to the wires so that I was able to separate the sleeve. I hope that helps. It wasn’t too difficult.
@@Generalneves007 thank you. What I am trying to figure out is the white duplex covering. When the wire comes out of the through hull and into a connector did you slide the white sleeve back on? Makes for a nice clean look.
Nice video. BTW - How many feet of 8/0 wire did you need for the project? Thanks !
Thanks! I believe I bought like 10 or 12 feet but I also used some of the wire to make a pigtail for the battery box.
Are you using the 50A connectors?
Yes I am.
What does it cost you to register each year and is there a luxury tax you have to pay?
I’m not actually sure what the registration renewal cost is yet. I just paid the original fees at the DMV and I haven’t had to renew it yet. I should be getting the renewal this year. I don’t believe there is any luxury tax on it.
Great video!! I am rigging up a similar set up. How did u run your pinpoint gps cord?
Thanks Adam! My trolling motor had the pinpoint gps built-in to the motor head. I didn’t have to run any gps cord.
How far can you go on a charge roughly and what is the top speed?
Top speed is about 4.7mph. Distance depends on how much time you spend making long runs at full speed. As a reference, going constant full speed at 4.7mph, the battery will last 2 hours and 40 minutes. If you back it off to a constant 4mph, it will last 4 hours. On one of my longer trips, I made about 7 miles worth of full speed runs and then just cruising around fishing for like 8 hours and I used probably a little less than half of the battery.
Awesome video, answered a lot of questions. Also like the links in the description below provided.
Random question for you..... Have you had any problems with your Xi3 so far? I have had the control module replaced twice so far and it keeps going out for no apparent reason. Just wondered if you have any feedback? Thanks again !!!
The only issue I’ve had with my Xi3 is the motor prop shaft started squeaking loudly. I had to take apart the motor housing and grease the prop shaft. Ended up also replacing the seals too.
Nice video! Do you know what would be the total run time on your motor?
Thanks man! Run time depends on how much time you spend making long runs at full speed. As a reference, going constant full speed at 4.7mph, the battery will last 2 hours and 40 minutes. If you back it off to a constant 4mph, it will last 4 hours. On one of my longer trips, I made about 7 miles worth of full speed runs and then just cruising around fishing for like 8 hours and I used probably about half the battery.
Really appreciate hearing your experience running the motor. Thank you!
Are you getting water inside your hull as well?
I was getting water coming in through the scuppers but I plugged them and now it’s good. I still do get some water coming in through the drive insert opening when I step towards the front of kayak. But the water drains right out when I sit back.
@@Generalneves007 I've been getting water inside my hull not sure if it's going in through the drive area or maybe the transducer through hull under the seat
@@albertflores4479 Ya I’m not getting any water coming through the transducer opening. Are you getting water coming in all the time or just when your traveling using the motor?
@@Generalneves007 so far every trip I've been out I've been getting water inside looks like it happens when I go full speed
@@albertflores4479 Do you have scupper plugs for the scuppers under the seat? I was getting water coming in when going full speed and it was the scuppers.
Need to check out my motorguide xi3 video before you go drilling holes in your kayaks and putting pulleys and all that, no drilling needed.
Unfortunately, your video didn’t exist when I did my install. But I’ll check it out. I don’t mind drilling two small holes to have an overall cleaner install.
@@Generalneves007 I don't see how doing more and drilling is cleaner than just pulling straight back and I understand it may not have existed when you did your install just wanted to let folks know that you don't hafto alter anything that's all maybe it'll help in the future for ya have a good one and hope you catchem all brother.
Fantastic set up. What's the overall costs for this set up please?
Thanks! The motor was about $1400, the battery was $750, and probably another $100-200 in all the little pieces (tubing, line guides, battery box, etc.).
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Those motors are hard to come by
Check out Kayak Fishing Supplies in Southern California. You can call or order them online.
@@Generalneves007 even they’re out it seems
@@stripermanly Best thing might be to just get on the waitlist. Sometimes OneObjective has them.
@@Generalneves007 everyone seems to be waiting for a shipment the end of the month
Any water problems getting into the hull?
I have been getting a little water in the hull but nothing to be too concerned of. Still trying track down where’s its coming in from.
My guy said it gets in at around your drive system. He has had several people with the same issue. If it’s not to bad then I may be able to live with it. I just need some confirmation from some others with the 360.
@@jetco5906 I’ll take a look to see if it’s coming through the drive on my unit. I could see that it may be able to come through the drive line connection. There is a like a rubber flange inside the hull of the kayak that is supposed to seal the driveline and not let water come through. My first thought was that but I haven’t looked into it further.