Should The Archbishops Be Held Accountable?
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
- There are calls for the Archbishops to be held to account for inviting Paula Vennels to help the Church of England four times!
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This person has brought the CofE into disrepute and should not even be a part of it.
Lessons will be learned - and then promptly forgotten.
Absolutely agree that knowing Paula Venales assisted with cover up of the post office scandal serious questions must be asked about why she is even being considered for position of bishop of London
The Post Office scandal was known about since 2009 when a computer magazine demonstrated that the Horizon software was faulty. People were falsely imprisoned until 2015. The church needs to show some very big statement of repentance for elevating the head of a semi criminal organisation into high office.
There will be an accounting if not now then before God. To those of great authority falls upon them greater accountability before the LORD.
+Justin Welby's interview technique: "Well, dear; you're a 'high-flying' business management Executive - like me - so of course you're the right class of person for a job in the upper echelons of the Church of England. Do you have any questions?"
I think we all know that the ABC will put the telescope to his blind eye and say "I see no ships" and continue to be captain of the ship that is slowly sinking as it leaks sin in under its bows from all directions. Chris x
The CofE leaders are lost which is why we left
Same here
The Archbishops have to be held to account for what they have done over the LLF and Safeguarding debacles. If not by us, then G-d will do it!
@dominionphilosophy3698 Ideally, yes. But we live in an imperfect world where ne'er-do-wells often cheat, lie and cover up their inadequacies and deliberate misdeeds to achieve their aims, and we need to, nay, are commanded to, in Scripture, discern the difference between a true mistake (or series of them) and deliberate actions intended to affect those around them.
While G-d the Father can see it all clearly, we cannot, but have to judge on the *fruits* of what an individual does. Jesus told us that "by their fruits you will know them", and that a good tree never produces bad, or different, fruit than it should, naturally. That goes for people, but we are, even Christ followers, prone to being influenced by, um, 'other' sources.
In the Church Politic and in secular life, like it or not, G-d has provided both for both government and justices, to rule and discern righteousness from wrong, even though the practitioners don't follow don't always do so for political or personal reasons, something Paul reminds us of. Which is why we should pray for them, even holding our noses.
But remember: G-d the Father is the Final Arbiter, and His final accounting will be just and is coming. But that could be seen as 'my own opinion'. For me, I trust that the Lord knows what He's doing, how and when. Shalom.
Sub postmasters are salt of the earth, pillars of their communities, highly principled and honest to the core. This kind of action would destroy them. All that matters is that they are FULLY compensated and reinstated and a very publuc apology made.
When is Paula vennells going to be held to account?
She still hasn’t been honest about her actions…
I was going to ask you about this. My view is she should be removed from her position in the CofE.
Time for a big clear out
Dont like it leave! Our faith in God, nor our salvation is NOT dependent on going to any church
@@michaelicorneliusBeing
a Christian is not just about doing only the very basics of qualifying for Salvation.
Simply put, the Bible tells us we need to attend church so we can worship God with other believers and be taught His Word for our spiritual growth.
Church attendance is not just a “good suggestion”; it is God’s will for believers. Hebrews 10:25 says we should “not [be] giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another-and all the more as you see the Day approaching.” Even in the early church, some were falling into the bad habit of not meeting with other believers. The author of Hebrews says that’s not the way to go.
Church is the place where believers can love one another (1 John 4:12), encourage one another (Hebrews 3:13), “spur” one another to love and good works (Hebrews 10:24), serve one another (Galatians 5:13), instruct one another (Romans 15:14), honor one another (Romans 12:10), and be kind and compassionate to one another (Ephesians 4:32).
When a person trusts Jesus Christ for salvation, he or she is made a member of the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:27). For a church body to function properly, all of its “body parts” need to be present and working (1 Corinthians 12:14-20) IE,; Being part of a Church (ecclesia) .
OR another reformation
People are speaking out because they don't like him not because a red line has been crossed.
YES - they ought to be held to account - and yes toooo many lines have been crossed - and continue to be crossed -
I agree on principles of accountability. I wrote to Archbishop Justin about what he could do in future. I had in mind the 12,500 parishes in the UK. The Post Office is a primary 'instrument' of community in the UK. c1000 PO employees plus all their families were devastated in this at community level. 1000 X 10 family say in 12,000 parishes. ie Every parish. Many churches, and each diocese will have first- hand knowledge of the destruction. First hand. What about your parish? How many? And Bishops are removed from it in first hand terms.
So. I am sorry Dan. Synod as ever is buried in bureaucratic finery us usual; and the parishes - who know about this don't shout. The fires are burning on the vicarage lawns. Its' a bit like safe-guarding. You own it. You are the ones who can go to the bishops and demand action. The Vennells of this world will populate Synod and their Palaces until YOU shout. Clear out all of those who despoil our Church leadership. Not just the top dogs. It STARTS with you...or who?.
Yes there is no accountable.
I would not be at all surprised if the lady in question had her collar felt by Mr Plod
This is not incompetence. Your leaders (who have been promoted according to ambition and allegiances not ability) know exactly what they are doing. C of E is corrupt to the core. At what point will you realise (if you don't already) your outreach here is part of the plan.
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad - Matthew 12:30.
When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they shall be destroyed for ever - Psalm 92:7.
For information, according to Wikipedia, “In April 2021, following the quashing of 39 subpostmasters' convictions, she resigned from her duties as an Anglican priest”.
This is a symptom, demonstrating that something is badly wrong at many levels. It seems decision-makers ignored many warning signs, but why? The same malaise and poor judgment are endemic in the CofE just as in Parliament. The fact the CofE is (mostly) indistinguishable from the world, and worldly in it’s thinking, is the real tragedy of this.
Welby just wants to get her into the House of Lords. It's all political.
Archbishops cannot do what they want
The Church of Woke
Should The Archbishops Be Held Accountable? How? What would this entail? Its too late IMO to rectify the damage done.
Why is anyone surprised at the total lack of judgment of character and suitability displayed by the church in considering vennells for a bishops position? From the arch bishop downwards the whole church is totally out of touch with the people of the nation and constantly makes terrible and hideous decisions, why would this one be any different?
Justin Welby knew nothing about Horizon in 2017 when he proposed her as Bishop of London. Should he have proposed a candidate as Bishop of London when her clerical experience was only as a curate. As for the other roles, yes, the Archbishops need to be accountable.
YES Yes Yes
way above my head.
Quite apart from her involvement in the Post Office scandal... How did someone with minimal pastoral experience and no theological reputation come to be considered a suitable candidate for the highest bishopric in the Church of England (after the two Archbishops)? Please will someone explain her credentials.
Of course the Arcbishop of Canterbury should be held accountable, he has flagrantly abused his position. I am curious though, has he personally given any public explanation as to why this woman was given so much privilege and advancement within the hierarchy of the Church of England, when it's leadership was well aware of her lies and deceit?
Over many things in my opinion
During this period , how much was she paid ?
On the list to give evidence at the next stage of the enquiry which runs from April to July 2024. I’ve ordered in my popcorn, I think it should be an interesting and informative discussion. The usual tedious click bait from Rev Dan …
It’s not so much how negligent she was in the Post Office, but why would they give a bishopric to a person with so little experience? And not any old bishopric, but the THIRD highest!
I suppose if half of what is coming out is true, then she may end up in prison because of fraud. The Post Office hierarchy knowingly sent innocent people to prison and drove some into suicide. If you are heading up such an organisation you are guilty irrespective of what you actually knew.
Why isn’t there a discussion about the Bible’s prohibition of ordaining women being the first point raised? That would easily prevent this problem and many more in the church.
Bible does not prohibit - Paul said 'I do not ...' unless Paul suddenly became God which I doubt then it was just his opinion. Remember Paul kept all his jewish ways whilst encouraging others not to, despite Jesus' clear words on the Torah.
@@michaelicornelius what is the qualifications for Overseers in the bible? 1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
He (a man) must be the husband of one wife. (not a wife to one husband) if this is a qualification and it is, then no doubt it must be a man. and this is not to question because it is a qualification ordained by God through Paul.
I cannot get worked up by this tbh , whilst it looked like convictions were dodgy at that point , it would not have been right for a good Christian to judge (we let God do that in the main!) her at that point. With hindsight yes perhaps but not then.
We are told in Scripture to 'judge righteously', according to the Word of G-d, which says that G-d the Father *abominates'* false weights and measures.
Forgiveness for repentance of sin comes *only* in this life, and cheats and liars are required to recompense those cheated and lied to.
If we, as Christians, cannot stand on the Word of G-d solely in the first instance, then we are not being righteous, and become, as Jesus said, "whitewashed tombs full of dead men's bones", and Jesus said *that* to the crooked and devious religious leaders of His day - to their faces!
Plus, I refer the AoC and the Houses of Archbishops and Bishops to Isaiah 1, *especially verses 10-17.* It applies, to us as well, today! Woe to those shepherds (leaders) who mislead the flock! Judgment always comes to the House of the Lord *first!*
"Don't judge" can't mean "don't make statements questioning the morality of others" because the Apostles do this all the time in the NT! It means rather "don't decide people's eternal destiny for yourself."
I think you misunderstand that she was lying to protect the post office…at the cost of people’s lives.
She needs to be held to account
The discernment is for your benefit though, i.e. your own salvation. Its not carte blanche to go around judging others (as much as you might want to. lol)
The Post Office knew it was falsely imprisoning people for a decade. It does not matter whether the CEO knew or not. It was their duty to know.