Why Are Christian Politicians Being Despised?
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Why are Christian politicians being hounded in politicians, especially from the left side of politics where they are supposed to be more liberal and accepting!
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I can't help but wonder if this tolerance of everything except biblical Christianity and its adherents is a kind of testimony to its truth. Men love darkness rather than light.
There is a spiritual warfare between the Spirit and the flesh and its corruption which is to the death, and it has always been like this.
I'm not a believer myself, but I thing it was absolutely disgraceful the way that Tim Farron was pilloried...specifically for his beliefs (which were irrelevant to the issues being discussed) every time he appeared on TV, whilst other party leaders were allowed to spout utter nonsense unchallenged. It's not even as if he wore those beliefs on his sleeve, like many US politicians, in an attempt to curry favour.
I have never witnessed religions making anyone feel complete. You want to read awaken the immortal within BY Jason Breshears. Jane Roberts Seth Series and Thomas Trowards books.
I've seen Kate Forbes and Tim Farron at Christian events talking about how they deal with being a politician whilst being Bible believing Christians.
I would love to see more Christians who are open as politicians and even more so as leaders in the country
About 20 years ago the then home secretary said that they wanted to get rid of ALL fundamentists. Nothing has changed believing in biblical teaching is considered as being a fundamentalist. The sad thing is being a fundamental Christian rarely if ever leads to criminal behaviour. In fact it is known for its ability to set people free from alcholism and other issues that lead to criminal behaviour.
Well I deliberately joined a dei group … can’t complain unless I take a voice.. I said that Christian’s are the most persecuted religion in the world, sent links, people we’re surprised. AND have started to explore their own cultural heritage… I said I am a Christian. And if you aren’t a believer it’s your history… people on the group are now recognising this…putting ourselves out. Stating facts. And seem receptive
Christianity's legacy is a mixed bag. They've done alot of great things over the years but also alot of dreadful things. Personally, I think the persecution is warranted given the way they've subjugated populations, minorities, womyn...really awful.
Being a practising R.C. I ask shouldn’t the Archbishop of Canterbury be put on the spot and asked whether he is going to support David Campanale. Very sad state of affairs.😢
Sounds as if the Liberal Democrats should drop the ‘Liberal’.
Why is the churches not standing up if you want to continue being Christians stand for the never mind haters we have the truth 💯 I pray every Christian stands up especially against discrimination 🙏🏻✝️💯🕊🛐💞💐 also pray more
I would yes and its not just Christian Politicians but ordinary folk. Can't wear a cross or speak about Christianity in case of you being sacked or disciplined at work.
Most Concerning.. Thank you.. 😢
So is often said, but not many actual examples of this though, are there? How many can you cite, that haven't led to the penalising of those involved of doing the disciplining by an employment tribunal?
the previous libdem leader didn't last long because of his Christian faith
The criticism of potential Christian politicians is RIGHT THERE in the scripture you cite. "If the WORLD hates you," "If you belonged to the WORLD," "You do not belong to the WORLD," "out of the WORLD," "the WORLD hates you." What Christianity, and yourself, call the "world," is the common citizenry whom you promise to serve. Christians are of two minds about whether human beings can be good to each other, give and receive good governance, achieve consensus even between different religious or non-religious groups. And it is not only problematic for politics. Christians are compromised when it comes to writing truthful fiction, integrating scientific results, and understanding the biological nature of their children. Politicians cannot properly serve their contemporary neighborhoods from an address in the Iron Age.
There have not been many years when Bible believing Christians have been respected in British society. Those who seek to live out their faith have often been ridiculed. We don't believe in keeping our faith hidden away, that makes us a challenge to those around.
A possible issue is that when a Christian speaks to a non Christian from - shall we say "Christian heritage" - there is an underlying assumption on both sides that we are saying "this is what you should be and should believe". This may be why there is often a prejudicial push back right from the start.
One of many that never get to surface
Why is this gentleman taking the Liberal Democrat’s to court? Should we be using the Courts? I thought that we are discouraged from taking this course of action?
The short answer, of course, is to be found in Matthew 10:22. You need to be an unusually strong person to be Christian and involved in the political arena.
June Always a pleasure to listen to your honest presentations.
I was watching your video yesterday about the Carbon Credits
But a message came up saying that you had removed it .
I just wondered was that you or you tube.
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This is so dreadful what is happening but we shouldn't be surprised. The important thing to remember is that Jesus is Lord and King and we are instructed to contend for the faith and for the truth. Do not be afraid fellow believers for our God is with us. Do not stay silent!
Don't believe in prophets as people who speak to God. But certain people are prophetic because they speak the truth.
Well said
Ye shall know them by their fruits…..not so sure about our deputy FM now that she has her place at the top.😕…sadly
It would appear that you have to be a follower of Mohammed to be acceptable in any public post.
Lesson to be learned: trust God above but never shy of having Caesar near you.
There's a reason why Constantine is a Saint
Not having Caesar on his side led to Jesus being nailed to a tree.
Jesus taught his disciples to be “no part of the world” and made it clear that they should not take sides in political issues.-John 17:14, 16; 18:36; Mark 12:13-17.
Obedient to Christ Jesus, the apostles and first-century Christians took a position of neutrality toward the politics of the world? Our lord told us to go unto the whole world and preach the gospel,
I am 55.
The Church of England refused to Christian me when I was born because my church of England Christian mum and dad had not been taking my older 4 year old sister to church on a Sunday after she had been christened at the same place by the same person and he wanted to make it a condition of me being christianed as a baby they had to take me and my sister to church regularly on a Sunday.
My mum and dad said I can choose when I am older if I want to go to church and get Christianed.
My sister at 11 converted from church of England to methodists as a result she didn't like the church of England's attitude.
My grandad use to say that when he was little 8 children and very very poor if the church collectors who went round knocking door to door found out that they had a piano they would just take it and say the church needs it more than you and never give it back.
Luckily I was saved from joining such a rotten club!!
Sorry to hear this. Whoever refused you baptism was breaking canon law and was wrong. Everyone has a right to be baptised unless a very good reasons prevents it, not coming to church h each week, is not a valid reason for refusal.
Thanks for your reply.
@@SW-tw8rf just sorry that this was your experience of us.
A preacher in the church that I attend explained the difference between religion and Christianity. Religion says “tut, tut, mustn’t do that”, whereas Christianity simply says “come”.
@johnbristow8099 That's certainly the best way to start any relationship between Church and society. Doesn't always happen but I'm please to say it happens like this in my church.
Dan's being persecuted by these comments
I have never witnessed religions making anyone feel complete. You want to read awaken the immortal within BY Jason Breshears. Jane Roberts Seth Series and Thomas Trowards books.
As I listened to you talking about people having protected beliefs, which is a wonderful part of our law, I don't see the same value of such laws in the church. Being bold at speaking against saved Christians who want to behave in ways that are not in line with the Bible have become human rights issues. The religiously divided church is normal. God's teaching is the same for everyone but we can see "church" people are the first self-righteous ones to take offence at the beliefs of others. The church should be taken to court for the abuse it does to those it says are not fit to participate with them. Not equal with those who see themselves as more righteous than their brother. The church goes silent, just as the liberal party has done, when faced with questions of equality and law breaking.
I have to say that, as a Christian over many decades and worshipping in various spiritual modes, I have never experienced the conflict which you infer. My mantra has always been “either support a church or leave”.
@@johnbristow8099 I guess it depends on what a person believes God is saying about a matter. If equality laws are not even known, resulting in the PCC having an attitude that not only supports wrongdoings but believes the wrongdoings are righteous. Prejudice always works like this. I don't want to leave my church because it is where my local community are. We're called to teach one another. If someone like me has knowledge from experience and walks away without bringing things to light how are things going to get better? The prejudice will remain and the hard hearts that have arisen from being defensive will also be unchanged. We're supposed to equip one another for maturity in Christ. We belong to one another. It makes no difference that I am not wanted for anything. It matters that I belong to a body of people who need me to be available when I am wanted. I see the body of Christ like this. It's designed by Jesus, not me. It is my faith. Walking away is not the way to any solutions. Our shared faith tells us all what to do. We have to choose to do it though. It's better when we all choose that way for the sake of Christ in whom we are called to love one another.
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Well there arent many left
But it’s ok to be Hindu Muslim etc in Christian country ???
It's because Jesus is the truth and politicians can't stand the truth .
I'm afraid the Bible as in KJV or AV was of no private interpretation. Clearly it's not the private man's club. Numbers ch 5 so you might understand the scripture and then again you might not.
Dear Rev Dan, Thank you for your video messages, generally encouraging. But on this occasion, your message in this video is very misleading on the truth of the Gospel to be shared, you said all religions should be treated equally, well if you're a worldly materialistic person, your right, except you're very wrong, there is only one true faith, that is Jesus Christ on the cross, no other religions takes that path to the foot of the cross. Christianity is not equal to other religions.
Worldly views lead to equal religions. It is not a true Christian belief. Only Jesus died on the cross of Calvary. No other religious false doctrines or false religions have that. As a true believer in Christ, I know you need correction in this.
To class Christianity in the same camp with other religions means from your worldly point of view would suggest that any religion can take that path to Jesus, which if you're a true faithful believer means it is not true. If you make a mistake, God’s Grace is abounding and promises to restore our souls to the living true Gospel of Christ if we seek Him.
Perhaps they are despised because they worship a Stone-age tribal war-god, Jehovah, a composite of three earlier Canaanite gods, El, Baal and Ashera.
As Paul said, "Whom ye ignorantly worship, Him declare I unto you."
Even if the traditional Christian understanding of God were as mythological as you say it is, that would still not justify being tolerant toward every other religion (Islam, Hinduism, Judaism, Sikhism, etc.) while being intolerant of Christians. From a non-believer's point of view, all of these religions (and most others) would appear equally unworthy of credence.
I do have two reservations, though. Even if one is tolerant of what others believe, it is legitimate to raise the question of how such beliefs may intersect with public policy. If the LibDems regard same-sex marriage and abortion on demand as non-negotiable core values, and if many traditional Christians feel obligated to oppose those policies, then it's fair enough to ask about it. Religions have the right to set their boundaries, and so do political parties. It seems to be a mistake for the LibDems to demand conformity on everything. Mr Campanale sounds like a down-the-line Liberal Democrat on almost everything. It would be wiser to allow a space for the consciences of people like him in a party that aims for a wide base of support.
I also think it's legitimate to criticize religious beliefs that one considers false, as long as one refrains from outright insults and threatening behavior. If religious beliefs are false or defective, they deserve criticism. Believers and non-believers alike need to accept that criticism and controversy are aspects of religious freedom. Tolerance does not necessarily imply agreement or refusal to engage in debate about what is true.
Rabbi Eliezer Berkovits, an Orthodox Jewish theologian (very much opposed to Christianity), put it insightfully:
""Human beings ought to treat each other with respect and hold each other dear independently of theological dialogues, Biblical studies, and independently of what they believe about each other's religion. I am free to reject any religion as humbug if that is what I think of it; but I am duty-bound to respect the dignity of every human being no matter what I may think of his religion. It is not inter-religious understanding that mankind needs but inter-human understanding - an understanding based on our common humanity and wholly independent of any need for common religious beliefs and theological principles." (“Judaism in the Post-Christian Era”, Judaism 15:1, Winter 1966, p. 82)
I regard all religions as man-made, so I am certainly not singling Christianity out.
Apologies if I was unclear.
As a young man I studied the bible for many years, and worked for Underground Evangelism smuggling bibles from Germany to Romania, behind the Iron Curtain.
Pastor Richard Wernbrandt´s book "Tortured For Christ" was my motivation.
I have since reclaimed my natural spirituality from the realm of religious superstition.
I resonated with the Rabbi´s wisdom.
I find it interesting that the Lakota People have a language which has no nouns -- imagine that.
They also have a saying, "If you believe, you don´t think."
This is intended as a gift.
I'm a pracitising Christian with a keen interest in politics, economics and current affairs. For me, the teachings of Christ are more aligned with progressive political parties than they are with those of right-wing politics and ideologies.
I find myself boh baffled and dismayed that those on the hard right of politics so often claim to follow Christ, when their policies put the poorest and most vulnerable in our society at risk, all too often with fatal consequences.
Jesus was always concerned with the vulnerable and with those who suffer from poverty, injustice and discrimination.
Those on the right of politics are all about creating scapegoats and pitting one disadvantaged group against another, whilst enabling the super-rich to become even more obscenely rich through the expolitation of the workers for many large and multinational companies.
Quite how those who claim to follow Christ can square this I have no idea, but I'd love to see them even TRY to debate with me on this.
I have insufficient information as to the exact issues which may have led to Mr Campanale's deselection. I have no idea whether his views are progressive or not.
Was it that he is against abortion? Sadly, that seems to be a 'trigger' for many on the left.
The same is true of the debate around Trans issues - something which is of concern to many Christians if children in primary schools are introduced to such things at such an early age.
I would have expected Mr Campanale to be attacked by those on the hard left - such as members of the Socialist Worker's Party, the Communists, etc.
But for the Lib Dems to be attacking him comes as a surprise, to say the least, and an unwelcome surprise at that.
Among the Christians in Parliament, it is to my mind bizarre to have the likes of Jacob Rees Mogg or Steve Baker on the hard-right, describe themselves as Christians whilst a progressive MP such as Tim Farron on the centre-left also claims to follow Christ - and yet their policies are diametrically opposed, the former two seek to perpetuate and increase inequality and poverty, whilst the latter seeks to diminish inequality and to combat poverty.
Given that all of them CLAIM to follow Christ, the former 2 have persued policies which have led to the deaths thorugh malnutrition and/or exposure of those on benefits who have had their benefits cut off but who were unable to work due to a disability or a serious long-term health issue.
The likes of Baker and Rees Mogg will have to answer to God on the day of judgement for THEIR part in an estimated 250,000 excess deaths due to the imposition of austerity measures throughout the tenure of the Tory Party since 2010-2024.
The fact that sincere believing Christians come to different prudential judgments in politics and economics is neither new nor surprising. Christian faith transcends partisan divides, and policy judgments really shouldn't be inflated to the level of an article of the creed. Though I am what you would term politically hard-right, I don't think I am entitled to say "Thus saith the Lord" about my opinions. The most I can say is, "Thus say I, based on my best thinking and my conscience informed by reason and faith."
I think it is possible for equally committed Christians can disagree about the desirability and the scope of the welfare state.
Having said that, I do agree more with Jacob Rees-Mogg and Steve Baker than with their opponents because I reject all forms of socialism as both anti-Christian and contrary to prosperity and human freedom. Socialism violates the commandment against stealing, exaggerating the role of the state into what Pope John Paul II disapprovingly in "Centesimus Annus" called the "social assistance state." Socialism violates the right to private property and negates the commandment against stealing; it conflates duties of justice (whether distributive or commutative) with the duty of charity (which cannot be coerced).
Christ did not tell anyone to give away his neighbor's goods, or the goods of Herod and Pontius Pilate, even for good ends. Christ's Kingdom is present IN the world but is not OF this world, so coercion and confiscation are not instruments of Christ's Kingdom.
As Leo XIII said in "Rerum Novarum",
"They would substitute in its stead a system of relief organized by the State. But no human expedients will ever make up for the devotedness and self sacrifice of Christian charity. Charity, as a virtue, pertains to the Church; for virtue it is not, unless it be drawn from the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus Christ; and whosoever turns his back on the Church cannot be near to Christ."
I would add that the churches that latched onto the Social Gospel (dating back to Walter Rauschenbusch and others like him) over the last century have consistently hemorrhaged faith and members. Their collectivism and their effective negation of original sin and of human finitude eventually overwhelmed the Christian understanding of human nature and of redemption by the Cross. The advent of Liberation Theology has marked the collapse of Catholicism in Latin America, which is now turning to evangelical and Pentecostal Protestant Christianity.
As a Catholic, I am deeply saddened by this. But it is our own fault for having accepted the errors that have destroyed liberal Social Gospel Protestantism.
@@user-nd8qz9ch5t You clearly have no understanding of the 3 main economic systems. These are:
1) Communism/Socialism - where the state owns, funds and controls almost everything. For me, this is highly undesirable, and I daresay you would agree with that. Examples include Soviet Russia and North Korea.
2) The Mixed Economy - where businesses are privately owned but the state owns, funds and controls public services and utilities. This is the same as FDR's 'New Deal' and the Welfare State which the 1945 Labour Government put into place. Nordic countries such as Norway and Finland still follow the Mixed Economy model.
3) Neoliberalism/Extreme Free Market Capitalism - where EVERYTHING is privately owned and run for profit. This was ushered in by Mrs Thatcher and has been the dominant economic system in the UK ever since. There are HUGE inbuilt problems with this system, which inevitably leads to gross inequality and eploitation. The major problem is that there is an inbuilt conflict of interests between shareholders DEMANDING maximum profits at all times, and that which is in the best interests of the nation.
I strongly favour the Mixed Economy model. It was followed by the Tory government of Harold Macmillan, who was APPALLED at Thatcher's imposition of Neoliberalism, describing her sale of Council Houses, of Water, of Energy, etc, as 'Slling off the family silver.'
If you want a world with ever increasing poverty and inequality, with a few super-rich and all-powerful people, then sorry, but that seems a VERY, VERY, VERY long way from the teachings of our wonderful Saviour and Lord, Christ Jesus.
@@timelwell7002 It is a caricature to accuse someone of "wanting more poverty and inequality." I would put it differently: that a meddlesome state, by impeding human freedom and initiative and creating perverse incentives and excessive dependency, is likely to do more harm than good, as well as to worsen social problems.
The poor, as well as the rich, will always be with us. Inequality per se is not injustice. There is no basis in traditional Christian thought for holding that wealth-egalitarianism is the criterion of justice. There is nothing in Christ's teaching in the gospels that explicitly says any such thing, or gives secular or pagan temporal authority a mandate coercively to redistribute wealth in the name of God.
I see no justification for anything like that in St Augustine or St Thomas or Richard Hooker or Luther or Calvin. Quite the contrary. A Christian anthropology necessarily includes a doctrine of human finitude and original sin. An overextended state is premised on a practical Pelagianism, a denial of original sin and of the inherent limits of temporal authority and what it can do.
The mission of Christ was the redemption of the world by his Cross and not directly its political-economic reform. Any human society (capitalist, mixed economy, corporatist, socialist, or whatever) short of the eschaton will be "a very very very long way" from the Sermon on the Mount. That has always been true and always will be be true.
Those Christian churches that have been most affected by the Social Gospel and by Liberation Theology are the ones that are in the most rapid decline, including among the poor. A Brazilian evangelical leader summed it up many years ago: "In the 1960s, the Catholic Church opted for the poor, and the poor opted for the evangelicals." The evangelicals' and Pentecostals' emphasis on personal conversion and uprightness of Christian life and on the truth of Bible have done far more for the poor and oppressed than all the Liberationists in the Catholic Church, who never liberated anyone. Just look at the disaster in Nicaragua.
It's not so surprising: in England, the Methodist revival did far more for the poor and oppressed than the Jacobins across the Channel ever did.
Our Savior's statements about discipleship were never meant to be a blueprint for any earthly realm. Earthly realms need a system of natural law, based on reason, though that can be illuminated by Christian faith--especially by an awareness of original sin.
Pope John Paul II put it this way in Centesimus Annus:
"In recent years the range of such intervention has vastly expanded, to the point of creating a new type of State, the so-called "Welfare State". This has happened in some countries in order to respond better to many needs and demands, by remedying forms of poverty and deprivation unworthy of the human person. However, excesses and abuses, especially in recent years, have provoked very harsh criticisms of the Welfare State, dubbed the "Social Assistance State". Malfunctions and defects in the Social Assistance State are the result of an inadequate understanding of the tasks proper to the State. ...
By intervening directly and depriving society of its responsibility, the Social Assistance State leads to a loss of human energies and an inordinate increase of public agencies, which are dominated more by bureaucratic ways of thinking than by concern for serving their clients, and which are accompanied by an enormous increase in spending."
@@user-nd8qz9ch5t It is not 'meddlesome' for a government to impose taxation on large and multinational companies and to use the money raised to provide free health care for the population, and to ensure that there is adequate affordable and secure housing to the population.
Any advanced and civilised nation with a responsible government - such as can be found in Norway, Finland, Sweden, etc - will provide a safety net whereby the elderly, the sick and the vulnerable can be kept safe and cared for.
It is not unduly onerous to pay taxation in order to ensure that people who have retired have a pension to keep them from starvation or death from exposure or illness.
These are the hallmarks of a civilised society.
These are what we get in a Mixed Economy, which as I explained in my previoius comment is NOT a Socialist/Communist economy.
Our Lord was always on the side of the underdog, and NOT on the side of the super-rich and privileged.
Remember the rich young man who said he wanted to follow Christ? Jesus challenged him to give away his riches and follow Christ as His disciple - but he was unwilling to do so (Matthew 19 v 16-22)
The right wing never want to part with their money, and regard taxation as being intusive - or 'meddlesome' as you put it.
Are you willing to follow Christ and do whatever He requires of you? Or are you unwilling?
I ask this question of myself too, of course.
Say what you believe. Unfortunately most progressive people disagree. You’re not despised
Christian’s shouldn’t get involved in politics - Jesus didn’t - and Jesus wasrned his followers that they would be mocked and persecuted so why are you surprised? 😍