Keep in mind this was a fun test, not scientific, where we used an OLD cop car with a NEW Tesla. This was more for entertainment purposes however if there are any members of a police force that want to come over to the track (in North Carolina) with a current PPV vehicle and some tests in mind that would actually be “real world” I’d love to do it! The video for InsideEVs will be numbers based on as much factual data as I can get. This was more to make people smile during this rough spot that has many people down.
May be a bit old, but the Police Interceptor models of that car had some special tweaks specifically for police duty unlike the standard civilian models. If you had an EV with say a police software package and maybe some police hardware specs, it probably would have beaten the old car. I would expect a police version of the EV, would be able to go much faster in reverse for example.
@Dominic Licavoli Well if an ICE patrol car was brought in to the station and not filled up with gas, the same thing would happen. All it takes is a change of procedure. I haven't been to a gas station in a year and a half. Everytime I go to get in my car it's got 250 miles of range. Why not have an EV charged at the beginning of every shift? Then let's talk safety, reduced maintenance and less breakdowns. I think EVs are, and will be far superior in any application. It will just take some changes is standard operating procedures.
@@Zarrok1138 always get those cars from old people. My father bought an 04 in 2011 with 30,000 miles from an old lady, drove it until 245,000 miles and gave it to me in 2019, and at 280,000 miles it’s still in pretty good shape. These cars are definitely fighters.
Fleet fuel savings have to be monstrous; Gas car uses fuel while sitting around where EV uses hardly any. No oil changes and probably less brake/motor overhauls. Who knows how many miles they can pile on an EV before the drive train is dead.
Just wait for the Cyber Truck. Will be an awesome (and intimidating ) police vehicle. Several foreign countries have already ordered them. Also, they already have cameras all around the car. Even though higher initial cost, will save a lot of money in reduced fuel and oil change and other maintenance costs and will last longer. Not to mention improved protection from gunfire from the stainless steel body. BTW, it looks like you are having way too much fun!
When you're shifting from reverse to drive, you don't have to come to a full stop. If you're driving below 10 km/h you can shift into drive without touching the brake.
There is more than one police department in the US already trying this out, Westport CT, and I think Fremont CA itself, among others. Then a few in Europe. Maintenance cost savings alone is considerable. I don‘t know which department has had theirs the longest but I’m sure at least a few have been over a year. Seems most have the LR or SR+ RWD model but one might have the AWD version. Great video Kyle 👍
I just love your videos, Kyle! And I believe you have just started a huge wave of electric police cars orders from all over the country. Very good idea and well done!
The old Crown Victoria did very well up against the Tesla. Would love to see it up against an EcoBoost TAURUS or EcoBoost Explorer police pursuit vehicle. I have asked a few police men if they like the Taurus better then the Crown Victoria and they said no. The Crown Victoria can jump curbs and meridians all day long with out suspension damage as opposed to the FWD Taurus and Explorer. A crunched battery pack would not be a good thing. Thanks for the very entertaining video. Great job and drone flying.....👍👍
Something like the Cybertruck would make more sense, maybe with some super capacitors for a little rapid charging along with extra battery capacity. The ground clearance probably kills it for most electric cars. The gas savings would be huge.
Not all police carry that much stuff all the time. The trunk on the 3 probably has more room than the crown vic, plus the frunk. The truck is overkill unless being used for bulletproofing. Opening the toneau cover will take too long compared to popping the hood/trunk. Model 3 is perfectly fine.
@@ItsBinhRepaired it is likely possible to pull down the tailgate without opening cover so gear could be accessed quickly when needed. also the trucks are very cheap for the performance and range provided even without the armor considerations so they are the best choice for law enforcement.
I feel an electric police/fire emergency vehicles are coming very soon. I've seen zero motorcycles being used up here in northern California in a municipality for the last couple of years. They just need to be very robust in build quality or won't last a year in service.
They'd have to be designed by actual engineers and refined for a decade to beat the gas models in terms of the extreme needs for emergency vehicles. Not a Tesla. Be real.
Totally enjoyed this video! However I have a 2011 CVPI which is the 4.6 V8, and I love it. This model came with an LSD so I can go like hell if I need it to. Yes its a land yacht, but all in all its cheap to repair reliable as hell. Haven't watched the cost video but I'd be interested to know the maintenance cost difference (if its there). Also, not sure how the Tesla would stand up to put maneuvers or, as one viewer posted below, the sometimes unorthodox driving methods of officers who protect us. Plus, c'mon its a crown vic! No other police vehicle demands more respect :p All in all, awesome video though! But I'm still not buying a Tesla
Correct me if im wrong but they wouldent even need radar guns in a model 3, with custom software the model 3 would be able to detect and alert the officers of speeders with the built in sensors
Yes they should. The cost of turning over a car before 100k miles is astounding. With an electric car they'd be able to drive them super hard and not wear them out much. They'd get at least 2x the life out of each car
Kyle has pointed out a huge market segment, currently owned by Ford. Lots of civilians order as close to a police version as the option list allows. So it is a big definable segment. Kitting out a vehicle for a specific use like a police vehicle is well worth the investment for an aftermarket tuner, as the sales come in year after year. It is Tesla's option to step up with a model Y with tough bumpers, tough tires and support for electronic gear. If Tesla does not, Rivian surely will.
Hi Kyle, I believe that a more up-to-date challenge comparison would be done with the Dodge Charger. I haven't seen a Crown Vic as a police cruiser or an Interceptor in quite some time. I'll never understand why small-town police departments (and even some university police depts.) need Chargers. I have always thought that Teslas are ideal for police interceptors. I think the problem right now is access to spare parts.
@@jameswebb5080 in California it’s all run by explorers. A cool comparison would be a Tesla 3, X, or S against Ford Explorer 400 HP version), Ford Taurus (365 SHO), and both Dodge Charger pursuits (3.6L Pentastar and 5.7L hemi.)
Appreciate the thinking Kyle but that was more of a "how to pick an autocross car" than "how to pick a police car". Little of what police do is "auto slalom" like, but rather focused on durability (off road, over curbs, etc.), repairability (rip off a wheel, quickly bolt on new a-arms without any frame damage, etc), strength (can withstand doing P.I.T. maneuvers, ramming other vehicles, etc.), equipment load capacity/officer comfort (computer, equipment belt, cage, etc.), electrical capability (upgraded alternators to drive computers, lights, siren, radios, etc.), endurance (upgraded cooling for constant near full throttle operation), range (large fuel tanks). All the current Tesla models are dismal on these, however the CyberTruck may be the platform to start with. The Ontario Provincial Police in Canada have invited Elon to develop a police vehicle based on the CyberTruck with them, so far no firm engagement from Elon other than "sounds fun"...
Agreed, all the electrical equipment modern police cars utilize today would severely reduce any Tesla's overall range... modern day police cars do not have to be fast because you can't outrun a radio.
Interesting about the OPP being interested in the cyber truck. Not sure why though as they primarily patrol provincial highways and the local city police forces patrol the city streets. The exception is rural communities that don’t have a local police force so the OPP does both. For highway patrols, I would think the Model S would be best
@@roger1818 I think the challenge with the S is durability (not much ground clearance, seems to be a lot totalled out with what looks to be minor accident damage), performance (it can't complete a 7 min lap of the 'Ring without overheating), space (no way to get a cage in the back and a full stack of computers/radios in the front) and rear crash surviveability. The OPP is similar to the Michigan State Police vehicle evaluation which is online and you see the evaluation criteria they use. This year the top pick was the Ford SUV.
One thing is can the Tesla handle all the electronics that a normal police car has, a town in California was given one and when the shift changed it didn't have much chance to charge abs they got into a pursuit and the Tesla ran out of power and lost the perp.
The officer may not pay for gas but gas costs police departments a lot. - See Bargersville, IN police - They are trying out the Model 3 and expecting to save a lot on fuel and repairs.
Great video, love your channel because you keep things fun and lighthearted but at the same time try to give some valid information. I might point out that the crown Victoria you're comparing the brand new Model 3 to was designed in 1998... Uses a 4-speed automatic transmission. And makes maybe 250 horsepower. For fleet operations like police, cost to maintain and repair is something to consider. And it's one of the reasons that so many taxi companies used crown vics for so long. Brakes, suspension stuff is very durable and very inexpensive. Something that you did not mention and could not have tested, try going over curbs in your Model 3 and see what happens. watch some police videos these guys drive the hell out of these crown vics. Jumping over curbs over sidewalks. It's one of the reasons so many PDs now use tahoes and explorers even over the crown vics. How much do you think it would cost to repair your Model 3 if you hit a 4-in curb at 30 mph? of course there's nothing to say you could not have a vehicle like a Tahoe or an explorer that was electric and that solves that problem completely. It kind of does show you though how good the crown Vic was when you factor in how old the thing is, it performs pretty damn well which is why it was used for so damn long. Absolutely love your channel keep up the great work keep making it fun and entertaining for us to get fun facts and information.
Everything about cost / factual info will be in the InsideEVs video. This was purely from the officers perspective (who doesn’t have to fix cars or pay for them) and it was more for entertainment. Thanks for watching!
I spoke with State Trooper that lived through his force experiencing the exhaust leaks with the Ford Police Interceptor. As he was driving one at the time he was seriously concerned about his and his fellow officers' safety. Defects aside, according to him cracked or leaky manifolds are not uncommon among the interceptor fleet. The lower requirements for routine maintenance would provide a benefit of higher availability of the Electric vehicle. However, at present the much longer mean-time-to-repair could be a dominating issue for the fleet manager.
Well, as an old saying goes, you can outrun a cop car, but you can't outrun a radio. So the first cop might not catch you, but their buddies and that police helicopter watching your car will.
Considering how abused the typical cop-car gets, on a daily basis, the Tesla suspensions would get all busted up...& the batteries would get drained to zero before a cops shift was over.
Suspension on the cars yes battery not likely. Top spec Cyber truck has 500+miles and a full air suspension that will handle a beating and has armor from factory.
Office aftermarket conversion companies should work with Tesla to buy a stripped version cheap, the conersion companies can put in their own suspension. tires. seats, and technology and devices inside. They could also better use the center sotrage console to fit police equipment. OBviously it would still need the center computer scree, but bedisdes that ,everything else can be costom
Cool video. I would say the biggest downfall of the current electric vehicle lineup is road clearance. If you jump a curb in a Tesla, I think the battery would be toast. However, if a marriage of the CyberTruck and a Tesla sedan modified for police use, THAT would be phenomenal.
Why are you using a Crown Victoria. They stopped making them in 2011. The Tesla has a huge advantage with AWD. The proper vehicle to use would be a 2019 Ford Explorer Police Interceptor. Plus putting your foot the the floor on a gas powered car is not necessarily the fastest way to get around a course. Get one with the 3.0 twin Turbo ecoboost. City cruisers can’t wait 40 minutes to charge. They are on the road 24 hours a day. Takes 3 minutes to refuel. Yes the 3 will accelerate better it was designed to. But a municipality can get 2 explorers for one 3.
The 'proper vehicle" is far more top heavy than the Tesla. Every hear of shift changes? On average they take about 40 min and can be staggered to allow for charging. Not likely an ICE car can refueled in 3 min start to finish, just authorizing payment takes a 30 sec that leaves 21/2 min to pump 20+ gallons of fuel, replace the pump & fuel cap. The advantage of an BEV like the 3 is they last up 4 times as longer than an ICE car before the battery pack (the major cost) has to be replaced
I think the Cyber truck is probably going to be a good fit for a police vehicle,but one major issue that needs to be overcome is the cost to replace expensive circuit boards on all these electric vehicles. And yes, they do fail. They're usually very difficult or impossible to repair, and replacing them is very expensive. In contrast most ICE cop cars are easily repairable and the parts network is open. Tesla would need to fully open their parts availability to make something like this transition more possible.
1. Police do not have unlimited budgets. Budgets for vehicles is very tight. You could buy two Crown Vics for the price of one Tesla. Fuel is also not free; big agencies have multi-million dollar annual budgets for fuel. 2. You can't hot fuel a Tesla to full in five minutes and be off racing to the next call; especially in rural areas and highway patrol. I would bet electric only works in dense city with small beats where you can get back to the station quickly to plug for 8 hours in or be stuck somewhere. 3. Police driving can be a full contact sport. The Tesla will cost an agency a fortune in repairs or more likely replacement. Crown Vics were known for taking hits and still going with only cosmetic panel replacement afterwards. 4. Police vehicles don't need to have the best 0-60. Studies have shown police are able to catch up as people clear a path for them due to red/blue lights and siren while the violator has to fight their way through traffic. 5. Repairs overall on a Tesla are a fortune compared to the utilitarian Crown Vic; repair cost is another agency budget killer. 6. You didn't calculate battery drain with emergency lighting, voice and MDC and AVL radios operating all the time, MDC terminal, cameras, radar, driving lights on all night etc. In my opinion, the Crown Vic still is the overall winner in utility and operating cost as a fleet vehicle.
Regarding the Tesla Model 3. 1. the "fuel" and mechanical maintenance saving alone would pay for a car that last up to twice as long than an ICE car. 2. With 300+ miles of range (the average LEO car drives around 125 miles per shift) there is no need to "hot fuel". Charging is more like 40 min to 80% charge (Tesla recommended level) from a V3 supercharger. 3. Regarding "full contact sport", the CV is no longer used by most dept and no anecdotal evidence on their replacements to suggest how they would fare under the same conditions. 4. There are many UA-cam videos to suggest that the study is flawed. 5. With 75% less operating cost per mile most agencies are eager for the savings in operating costs. 6. You speak of the 12v battery for the car systems or the 400 v 75 kw propulsion battery that keeps the 12v battery charged? Modern lighting and electronics draw far less than you would assume. Several departments already have Tesla test cars in the fleet doing everything their ICE cars do and by all accounts are pleased with how they perform
You make the EV sound like it’s far superior than the Crown Vic…I think any officer of that matter..would chose the CROWN VIC any day. The sound of a 4.6L V8, RWD, body on frame boat with stupid amount of comfort…it’s a dream.
wrong. its literally not possible for road cops to use EV's.. a few of my friends are cops and they drive over 200 miles a day in their 12 hour shift. they wont have enough time to recharge before the next shift comes.
MB lmaooo you clearly don’t own a Tesla my guy 😂😂😂😂 I have the SR+ which has “250” miles of range. But I only get 160-170 on a full charge. A 400 mile Tesla model S won’t do a damn thing lmao.
So glad you mentioned that 90% of the time police are not pursuing anyone. Much more important to a police department is how well the vehicle can handle the power consumption of a light bar, radio, wireless router, dispatching/report writing computer, and climate control all at the same time (while driving or stopped). Room for a prisoner cage and shotgun rack are also a must. Gasoline is not free (as you stated) so operating costs for a fleet is very important. I think major metropolitan police departments with large fleets would be concerned with charging times or the cost of installing multiple chargers at every police substation. No doubt the Tesla would outperform during the ultra-rare vehicle pursuit. That will have almost no significance in the selection process but the Tesla safety would. Police are killed to the greatest extent by suicide, followed next by vehicle accidents.
i think you are incorrect about finding the car fully charged in the morning as the night shift officer would have used it and its only been charging for a short while, unless the station gets equipped with super charger, there was a news article a while back about police testing out EV and car usually not being fully charged between shift changes.
LMAO indeed. I'll wager that all the officers that do vehicle evaluations for organizations like Michigan State Police, etc. would put on a clinic by comparison. Kyle does a great show video, but its a "show" with lots of overdriving for effect, not "fast" by managing resources.
I think what would make or break the deal is how tough t he vechile is. Crown vic's can handle diffrent terrain without minimal mechanical failure those cars are tanks. I think that's the most important thing.
The only thing i can see is the height of the EV being so low would hinder in short off road or over the curb activity's... pls do burnouts in a field with both to test... maybe some jumps? also automatic breaking would really suck when you try push a car off the road lmao
This is an old video, but here is a wise recomendation for track use of any car....WEAR A HELMET. Skill and vehicle don't make a difference any sliding car can flip at any time. I never forget a BMW demonstration event where an "expert driver" flipped it on a power slide.
I think it will only take one OTA update and Tesla can transform their vehicles into proper police cars. Even the top speed in R can be easily increased since there is no gearbox. All that beeping and blinking can be turned off because they are only there for safety which a police car driver doesn't really need. A complete new market for Tesla, they should seriously look into this (pretty sure they already do).
They do but the problem is that teslas software is written in a different coding language then what cops have used, so its is a bit of work for the valuable software engineers in tesla to work on.
We all know that the Tesla Model 3 is better than the crown victoria, but that doesn't change the fact that the crown victoria is loved by many including me, and if they were to change to EV completely that would mean that there would be a lot more CVPI's on the market for me to snag. So I guess you could say it's a win-win situation...
Most police agencies have moved to SUVs and care little about pursuit performance due to Risk vs Reward liability. I would much rather drive a Model Y than the Ford Explorers we have at my agency. Getting in and out of the vehicles in full gear multiple times a day is now a huge consideration when purchasing police cars. Performance is great but more tactical software (maps for perimeters) Tesla. could excel at would be more beneficial than speed.
Great video, a couple of points however 1. The vehicles should also be tested loaded with gear, range and acceleration may suffer a bit on the Tesla when loaded as much as needed. Also space is limited in the Tesla. 2. Ease of repairs, the Crown Victoria fleet has been easy and cheap to maintain and repair because anyone with mechanical knowledge can do it and parts are everywhere and body panels are cheap and easy to replace. Same goes for many of the other PPVs in use now. Turn that around with the Tesla. Also pretty much all of the cars a police department has used are body on frame, a unibody car might not be favorable. 3. Many officers take their cars home with them, which would be difficult to manage with the Tesla because if they still wanted to do that they would have to get a charger installed in their home, with an ICE car it can be filled up at the station or anywhere quickly.
They would need to make Steele hood and panels in my opinion. Cops are always cuffing guys on the hood. Tesla aluminum is too delicate. Police cybertruck YES! Police model 3 no!
In that situation, tell me how you can accurately slow the car to 5mph from 17 and then accelerate forwards in the least amount of time without coming to a complete full brake stop.
How is the Tesla with the certfication for the police radios. I don't think that Tesla like much more high power HF in the car and many parts need to be modified for the police. You can't simply put 25-100W HF in the electronics of a EV and tesla needs more shilding and it all needs to be certified. Police needs much place for all their equipment in their cars.
Gloucestershire Police in the UK are converting to EVs I think they are using Nissan Leafs.. ATM not using fast interceptors, but just everyday pootlng around.
M3 for sure. How about the same general style of video but with newer gas police cars: the Charger and the Ford Interceptor. No need to catch up to the bad guys in the M3. It will have to slow down so as to not outrun them.
Hold on...The Tesla failed at the most significant part of the test between the two vehicles. Stopping. As Kyle was reading regen brake warnings the car failed to brake which could have easily cause an injury or fatality to the driver or pedestrian. I know that Kyle said later that for some reason he braked late, but this is also after he said that he was a better trained driver than a Police Officer. I am going to give significant points to the old Crown Vic, just because it stopped in the box. As for the rest, Tesla fared as well as it should have against the old Vic. Nice video.
Idling your car is terrible for the environment. Some countries have outlawed idling for more than a few seconds since the 1980s... Kind of crazy that 40 years later there is still no such laws here in the USA.
Because idling is not actually terrible for the environment, its terrible for public health in cities, the US made up for it by switching from coal to natural gas, that made much bigger impact then any European car law could do for C02 emissions.
Neither our police department or sheriff's department use crown Victorias anymore. Our police department uses dodge chargers and our sheriff's department uses ford mustangs. I do think some personal can definitely use electric vehicles like the CSI unit or department leaders who arrive on a scene.
no, police shouldn't use EVs ...atleast not the patrol officers. because they drive over 200 miles a day in their 12 hour shift. meaning, they literally wouldn't have enough time to charge for the next shift.
All these Tesla fans supporting their brand. But no one is representing us Panther Platform guys! Trust me, these cars will outlast anything on the road. Unbeatable, unkillable, 100% North American.
Keep in mind this was a fun test, not scientific, where we used an OLD cop car with a NEW Tesla. This was more for entertainment purposes however if there are any members of a police force that want to come over to the track (in North Carolina) with a current PPV vehicle and some tests in mind that would actually be “real world” I’d love to do it! The video for InsideEVs will be numbers based on as much factual data as I can get. This was more to make people smile during this rough spot that has many people down.
May be a bit old, but the Police Interceptor models of that car had some special tweaks specifically for police duty unlike the standard civilian models. If you had an EV with say a police software package and maybe some police hardware specs, it probably would have beaten the old car. I would expect a police version of the EV, would be able to go much faster in reverse for example.
They also didn’t charge the car the night before like they had planned to. Same would have happened if you never filled up a gas tank
@Dominic Licavoli Well if an ICE patrol car was brought in to the station and not filled up with gas, the same thing would happen. All it takes is a change of procedure. I haven't been to a gas station in a year and a half. Everytime I go to get in my car it's got 250 miles of range. Why not have an EV charged at the beginning of every shift? Then let's talk safety, reduced maintenance and less breakdowns. I think EVs are, and will be far superior in any application. It will just take some changes is standard operating procedures.
@Dominic Licavoli You lost credibility when you mentioned the one incident where they ran out - because they forgot to plug in.
@Dominic Licavoli also you are factually wrong, it never ran out of juice, just not enough to sustain a highway chase
Modified 500-mile range Cybertruck for police.
Y E S
Just put them in the bed
worried you're not kidding
My dream car was always a Crown Vic / Grand Marquis. I was crushed when their production ended.
Same here
@@Zarrok1138 always get those cars from old people. My father bought an 04 in 2011 with 30,000 miles from an old lady, drove it until 245,000 miles and gave it to me in 2019, and at 280,000 miles it’s still in pretty good shape. These cars are definitely fighters.
The Crown Victoria will always be *THE COP CAR*
8:52 "sweet mother of Jesus" I've never clicked on a video as fast as this one.
He's supposed to spit out his doughnut and spill coffee on his pants.
Completely missed the "sweet mother of God" super troopers reference
Fleet fuel savings have to be monstrous; Gas car uses fuel while sitting around where EV uses hardly any. No oil changes and probably less brake/motor overhauls. Who knows how many miles they can pile on an EV before the drive train is dead.
Probably a million plus miles.
also electric cars are always on when you’re in it, whereas you need to start and put a petrol/diesel in gear
Just wait for the Cyber Truck. Will be an awesome (and intimidating ) police vehicle. Several foreign countries have already ordered them. Also, they already have cameras all around the car. Even though higher initial cost, will save a lot of money in reduced fuel and oil change and other maintenance costs and will last longer. Not to mention improved protection from gunfire from the stainless steel body. BTW, it looks like you are having way too much fun!
Wow, the drift sequence at the beginning looks stunning 😍
When you're shifting from reverse to drive, you don't have to come to a full stop. If you're driving below 10 km/h you can shift into drive without touching the brake.
Exactly. Just driving a fork lift.
How about "donut mode". Self-parking at Krispy Creme. Sold.😉
I Love it !!!! Donuts mode !!!!!
Police Tesla: Pursuit mode enabled
...and quickly disabled by running out of power.
@@moritz5164 It save alot of money from gas station.
@@moritz5164 Looks like you’d run out of money if you tried buying one 🤣🤣
Was a "drive over the curb" test part of this? I tend to think actual performance is usually pretty far down the priority list.
A curb jump at speed would probably destroy the Tesla. The CV was designed to do curb jumps.
one of the main reasons a lot of departments have switched to explorers.
Just need to change the wheels and tires out to allow a higher profile that can absorb the shock. Maybe some suspension changes and a minor lift.
@@T1Oracle cyber truck. air suspension with 12+" clearance and comes prearmored against small caliber weapons fire literally perfect police vehicle.
@@AsheLeclair on top of the good range and decent acceleration.
"DO NOT RESIST THE POWER OF ELECTRIC, IDIOT" lol
There is more than one police department in the US already trying this out, Westport CT, and I think Fremont CA itself, among others. Then a few in Europe. Maintenance cost savings alone is considerable. I don‘t know which department has had theirs the longest but I’m sure at least a few have been over a year. Seems most have the LR or SR+ RWD model but one might have the AWD version. Great video Kyle 👍
Yep, Westport, did a full write up with video, and just added Kyle’s video too! TinkerTry.com/tesla-model-3-westport-ct-police-cruiser-tech
I just love your videos, Kyle! And I believe you have just started a huge wave of electric police cars orders from all over the country. Very good idea and well done!
Don’t forget the positive ENVIRONMENTAL impact of electric while idling 90% of the time!! 😃👍🏼
That will be factored into the InsideEVs video but I would say most officers will use the vehicles the same no matter how they’re powered
The old Crown Victoria did very well up against the Tesla. Would love to see it up against an EcoBoost TAURUS or EcoBoost Explorer police pursuit vehicle. I have asked a few police men if they like the Taurus better then the Crown Victoria and they said no. The Crown Victoria can jump curbs and meridians all day long with out suspension damage as opposed to the FWD Taurus and Explorer. A crunched battery pack would not be a good thing. Thanks for the very entertaining video. Great job and drone flying.....👍👍
I'd rather be pulled over by the Crown Vic, no glory in getting pulled by a fancy milk truck,which probably will get bent out of shape on a pit lol.
Ya performance is a factor but that really hasn’t been a big issue since a police scanner. Reliability and repairing, availability are bigger hurdles.
Something like the Cybertruck would make more sense, maybe with some super capacitors for a little rapid charging along with extra battery capacity. The ground clearance probably kills it for most electric cars. The gas savings would be huge.
Not all police carry that much stuff all the time. The trunk on the 3 probably has more room than the crown vic, plus the frunk. The truck is overkill unless being used for bulletproofing. Opening the toneau cover will take too long compared to popping the hood/trunk. Model 3 is perfectly fine.
@@ItsBinhRepaired it is likely possible to pull down the tailgate without opening cover so gear could be accessed quickly when needed. also the trucks are very cheap for the performance and range provided even without the armor considerations so they are the best choice for law enforcement.
I feel an electric police/fire emergency vehicles are coming very soon. I've seen zero motorcycles being used up here in northern California in a municipality for the last couple of years.
They just need to be very robust in build quality or won't last a year in service.
We have a few experimental all electric buses running around Redmond area.
They'd have to be designed by actual engineers and refined for a decade to beat the gas models in terms of the extreme needs for emergency vehicles.
Not a Tesla. Be real.
In my M3 I can switch from reverse to drive without stopping, no need to breake. Though I have never tried faster than 4-5 kph.
Yep, curious about this too. The limit is 5 mph iirc. I shift in motion all the time.
@Ziggi Mon model 3 doesn't have a transmission, but do you have a source that it will destroy the motors or gearbox?
dst rr ziggi loves to troll Tesla channels, he seems to have no idea about actually driving a Tesla.
@@kdkd693 he certainly seems like a high-class individual. :P
@Ziggi Mon so asking again, do you have a source that states shifting in motion is bad for the model 3?
Totally enjoyed this video! However
I have a 2011 CVPI which is the 4.6 V8, and I love it. This model came with an LSD so I can go like hell if I need it to. Yes its a land yacht, but all in all its cheap to repair reliable as hell. Haven't watched the cost video but I'd be interested to know the maintenance cost difference (if its there).
Also, not sure how the Tesla would stand up to put maneuvers or, as one viewer posted below, the sometimes unorthodox driving methods of officers who protect us.
Plus, c'mon its a crown vic! No other police vehicle demands more respect :p
All in all, awesome video though! But I'm still not buying a Tesla
very entertaining during this quarantine ;D ! keep up the good work !
I still like the Crown Vic 4.6L V8 love that sound and I love the drifting.
Correct me if im wrong but they wouldent even need radar guns in a model 3, with custom software the model 3 would be able to detect and alert the officers of speeders with the built in sensors
Man the drone footage is awesome
Yes they should. The cost of turning over a car before 100k miles is astounding. With an electric car they'd be able to drive them super hard and not wear them out much. They'd get at least 2x the life out of each car
Kyle has pointed out a huge market segment, currently owned by Ford. Lots of civilians order as close to a police version as the option list allows. So it is a big definable segment.
Kitting out a vehicle for a specific use like a police vehicle is well worth the investment for an aftermarket tuner, as the sales come in year after year. It is Tesla's option to step up with a model Y with tough bumpers, tough tires and support for electronic gear. If Tesla does not, Rivian surely will.
Been here since 4000 subscribers! Can't wait for you to reach a million! 😄
The vic looked wayy cooler doing the track than the ev, its heavy car your throwing around
OMG!! those maniac focus drivers 🤯🤯😤
I'd love to see you add a Trans Am aka Burt Reynolds style to the chase fleet LOL. Great entertainment and laughs!
Hi Kyle, I believe that a more up-to-date challenge comparison would be done with the Dodge Charger. I haven't seen a Crown Vic as a police cruiser or an Interceptor in quite some time. I'll never understand why small-town police departments (and even some university police depts.) need Chargers. I have always thought that Teslas are ideal for police interceptors. I think the problem right now is access to spare parts.
What "spare parts" do you speak of?
I think the Chargers are getting out date now, most around here are using AWD Ford Taurus.
@@jameswebb5080 in California it’s all run by explorers. A cool comparison would be a Tesla 3, X, or S against Ford Explorer 400 HP version), Ford Taurus (365 SHO), and both Dodge Charger pursuits (3.6L Pentastar and 5.7L hemi.)
Appreciate the thinking Kyle but that was more of a "how to pick an autocross car" than "how to pick a police car". Little of what police do is "auto slalom" like, but rather focused on durability (off road, over curbs, etc.), repairability (rip off a wheel, quickly bolt on new a-arms without any frame damage, etc), strength (can withstand doing P.I.T. maneuvers, ramming other vehicles, etc.), equipment load capacity/officer comfort (computer, equipment belt, cage, etc.), electrical capability (upgraded alternators to drive computers, lights, siren, radios, etc.), endurance (upgraded cooling for constant near full throttle operation), range (large fuel tanks). All the current Tesla models are dismal on these, however the CyberTruck may be the platform to start with. The Ontario Provincial Police in Canada have invited Elon to develop a police vehicle based on the CyberTruck with them, so far no firm engagement from Elon other than "sounds fun"...
Agreed, all the electrical equipment modern police cars utilize today would severely reduce any Tesla's overall range... modern day police cars do not have to be fast because you can't outrun a radio.
Interesting about the OPP being interested in the cyber truck. Not sure why though as they primarily patrol provincial highways and the local city police forces patrol the city streets. The exception is rural communities that don’t have a local police force so the OPP does both. For highway patrols, I would think the Model S would be best
@@roger1818 I think the challenge with the S is durability (not much ground clearance, seems to be a lot totalled out with what looks to be minor accident damage), performance (it can't complete a 7 min lap of the 'Ring without overheating), space (no way to get a cage in the back and a full stack of computers/radios in the front) and rear crash surviveability. The OPP is similar to the Michigan State Police vehicle evaluation which is online and you see the evaluation criteria they use. This year the top pick was the Ford SUV.
Great content deserves to be rewarded. Keep ripping it!
There should be police charging stations in rest spots, solar with batterie storage and speed off charging hose recoil.
Thank you for the Super Troopers reference!
One thing is can the Tesla handle all the electronics that a normal police car has, a town in California was given one and when the shift changed it didn't have much chance to charge abs they got into a pursuit and the Tesla ran out of power and lost the perp.
The officer may not pay for gas but gas costs police departments a lot. - See Bargersville, IN police - They are trying out the Model 3 and expecting to save a lot on fuel and repairs.
Great video, love your channel because you keep things fun and lighthearted but at the same time try to give some valid information.
I might point out that the crown Victoria you're comparing the brand new Model 3 to was designed in 1998...
Uses a 4-speed automatic transmission. And makes maybe 250 horsepower.
For fleet operations like police, cost to maintain and repair is something to consider. And it's one of the reasons that so many taxi companies used crown vics for so long. Brakes, suspension stuff is very durable and very inexpensive.
Something that you did not mention and could not have tested, try going over curbs in your Model 3 and see what happens.
watch some police videos these guys drive the hell out of these crown vics. Jumping over curbs over sidewalks. It's one of the reasons so many PDs now use tahoes and explorers even over the crown vics.
How much do you think it would cost to repair your Model 3 if you hit a 4-in curb at 30 mph?
of course there's nothing to say you could not have a vehicle like a Tahoe or an explorer that was electric and that solves that problem completely.
It kind of does show you though how good the crown Vic was when you factor in how old the thing is, it performs pretty damn well which is why it was used for so damn long.
Absolutely love your channel keep up the great work keep making it fun and entertaining for us to get fun facts and information.
Everything about cost / factual info will be in the InsideEVs video. This was purely from the officers perspective (who doesn’t have to fix cars or pay for them) and it was more for entertainment. Thanks for watching!
@@OutofSpecMotoring
Awesome.. looking forward to see that.
Love your channel.. keep up the great work. :)
I spoke with State Trooper that lived through his force experiencing the exhaust leaks with the Ford Police Interceptor. As he was driving one at the time he was seriously concerned about his and his fellow officers' safety. Defects aside, according to him cracked or leaky manifolds are not uncommon among the interceptor fleet. The lower requirements for routine maintenance would provide a benefit of higher availability of the Electric vehicle. However, at present the much longer mean-time-to-repair could be a dominating issue for the fleet manager.
Well, as an old saying goes, you can outrun a cop car, but you can't outrun a radio. So the first cop might not catch you, but their buddies and that police helicopter watching your car will.
Dude you are the best. I love this chanel
Considering how abused the typical cop-car gets, on a daily basis, the Tesla suspensions would get all busted up...& the batteries would get drained to zero before a cops shift was over.
Suspension on the cars yes battery not likely. Top spec Cyber truck has 500+miles and a full air suspension that will handle a beating and has armor from factory.
Office aftermarket conversion companies should work with Tesla to buy a stripped version cheap, the conersion companies can put in their own suspension. tires. seats, and technology and devices inside. They could also better use the center sotrage console to fit police equipment. OBviously it would still need the center computer scree, but bedisdes that ,everything else can be costom
Cool video. I would say the biggest downfall of the current electric vehicle lineup is road clearance. If you jump a curb in a Tesla, I think the battery would be toast. However, if a marriage of the CyberTruck and a Tesla sedan modified for police use, THAT would be phenomenal.
The battery can take a beating!
Why are you using a Crown Victoria. They stopped making them in 2011. The Tesla has a huge advantage with AWD. The proper vehicle to use would be a 2019 Ford Explorer Police Interceptor. Plus putting your foot the the floor on a gas powered car is not necessarily the fastest way to get around a course. Get one with the 3.0 twin Turbo ecoboost. City cruisers can’t wait 40 minutes to charge. They are on the road 24 hours a day. Takes 3 minutes to refuel. Yes the 3 will accelerate better it was designed to. But a municipality can get 2 explorers for one 3.
Bring a new one by then! This was just for fun
The 'proper vehicle" is far more top heavy than the Tesla. Every hear of shift changes? On average they take about 40 min and can be staggered to allow for charging. Not likely an ICE car can refueled in 3 min start to finish, just authorizing payment takes a 30 sec that leaves 21/2 min to pump 20+ gallons of fuel, replace the pump & fuel cap. The advantage of an BEV like the 3 is they last up 4 times as longer than an ICE car before the battery pack (the major cost) has to be replaced
I think the Cyber truck is probably going to be a good fit for a police vehicle,but one major issue that needs to be overcome is the cost to replace expensive circuit boards on all these electric vehicles. And yes, they do fail. They're usually very difficult or impossible to repair, and replacing them is very expensive. In contrast most ICE cop cars are easily repairable and the parts network is open. Tesla would need to fully open their parts availability to make something like this transition more possible.
1. Police do not have unlimited budgets. Budgets for vehicles is very tight. You could buy two Crown Vics for the price of one Tesla. Fuel is also not free; big agencies have multi-million dollar annual budgets for fuel. 2. You can't hot fuel a Tesla to full in five minutes and be off racing to the next call; especially in rural areas and highway patrol. I would bet electric only works in dense city with small beats where you can get back to the station quickly to plug for 8 hours in or be stuck somewhere. 3. Police driving can be a full contact sport. The Tesla will cost an agency a fortune in repairs or more likely replacement. Crown Vics were known for taking hits and still going with only cosmetic panel replacement afterwards. 4. Police vehicles don't need to have the best 0-60. Studies have shown police are able to catch up as people clear a path for them due to red/blue lights and siren while the violator has to fight their way through traffic. 5. Repairs overall on a Tesla are a fortune compared to the utilitarian Crown Vic; repair cost is another agency budget killer. 6. You didn't calculate battery drain with emergency lighting, voice and MDC and AVL radios operating all the time, MDC terminal, cameras, radar, driving lights on all night etc. In my opinion, the Crown Vic still is the overall winner in utility and operating cost as a fleet vehicle.
For another perspective, see also Model 3 cop car at TinkerTry.com/tesla-model-3-westport-ct-police-cruiser-tech
Regarding the Tesla Model 3. 1. the "fuel" and mechanical maintenance saving alone would pay for a car that last up to twice as long than an ICE car. 2. With 300+ miles of range (the average LEO car drives around 125 miles per shift) there is no need to "hot fuel". Charging is more like 40 min to 80% charge (Tesla recommended level) from a V3 supercharger. 3. Regarding "full contact sport", the CV is no longer used by most dept and no anecdotal evidence on their replacements to suggest how they would fare under the same conditions. 4. There are many UA-cam videos to suggest that the study is flawed. 5. With 75% less operating cost per mile most agencies are eager for the savings in operating costs. 6. You speak of the 12v battery for the car systems or the 400 v 75 kw propulsion battery that keeps the 12v battery charged? Modern lighting and electronics draw far less than you would assume. Several departments already have Tesla test cars in the fleet doing everything their ICE cars do and by all accounts are pleased with how they perform
Honestly, I would take the Crown Vic. Yeah, the Tesla doesn't burn gas, but the Crown Vic will outlast the Tesla in the world of patrol work.
The rubber and tire industries thank you 😊
You make the EV sound like it’s far superior than the Crown Vic…I think any officer of that matter..would chose the CROWN VIC any day.
The sound of a 4.6L V8, RWD, body on frame boat with stupid amount of comfort…it’s a dream.
Police love these cars for driving off terrain. Even I love my crown Vic driving through Rocky dirt. Let's see the Tesla run through it lol
yup
Cyber truck would be ideal the cars not so much imo.
The reduction in operating costs for the police department would be huge.
wrong. its literally not possible for road cops to use EV's.. a few of my friends are cops and they drive over 200 miles a day in their 12 hour shift. they wont have enough time to recharge before the next shift comes.
Mark's Tech The newest Tesla’s are getting close to 400 miles on one charge. A 200 mile shift is a piece of cake.
@@MarksTech Teslas have 400 miles of range now, and recharging takes like half an hour max. it's a non-issue.
MB lmaooo you clearly don’t own a Tesla my guy 😂😂😂😂 I have the SR+ which has “250” miles of range. But I only get 160-170 on a full charge. A 400 mile Tesla model S won’t do a damn thing lmao.
Dan Reynolds nah. 400 miles is more like 250 miles.
True, just around town 5 miles / kWh is very doable. I wonder what they could do to ABC.. install chargers at strategic locations?
So glad you mentioned that 90% of the time police are not pursuing anyone. Much more important to a police department is how well the vehicle can handle the power consumption of a light bar, radio, wireless router, dispatching/report writing computer, and climate control all at the same time (while driving or stopped). Room for a prisoner cage and shotgun rack are also a must. Gasoline is not free (as you stated) so operating costs for a fleet is very important. I think major metropolitan police departments with large fleets would be concerned with charging times or the cost of installing multiple chargers at every police substation. No doubt the Tesla would outperform during the ultra-rare vehicle pursuit. That will have almost no significance in the selection process but the Tesla safety would. Police are killed to the greatest extent by suicide, followed next by vehicle accidents.
you guys need to open up a driving school at the track!
i think you are incorrect about finding the car fully charged in the morning as the night shift officer would have used it and its only been charging for a short while, unless the station gets equipped with super charger, there was a news article a while back about police testing out EV and car usually not being fully charged between shift changes.
considering the amount of use they would get out of it it would only make sense to install superchargers in the depo.
Lmao “no cop will be able to do this” you’d be surprised, they probably have way more drivers training than you’d expect. Research a little.
I have a good friend that is a police officer. He can drive his ass off. He is almost unbeatable in a go-cart also.
I think he was making a joke. Always assume people are joking and the work back. Heck, maybe you are joking. :)
LMAO indeed. I'll wager that all the officers that do vehicle evaluations for organizations like Michigan State Police, etc. would put on a clinic by comparison. Kyle does a great show video, but its a "show" with lots of overdriving for effect, not "fast" by managing resources.
Offended much? Lol, it was a joke.
I think what would make or break the deal is how tough t he vechile is. Crown vic's can handle diffrent terrain without minimal mechanical failure those cars are tanks. I think that's the most important thing.
Tesla aren't built off road but the parts in them are ment to last longer while commuting.
Interesting vid thanks, are you doing a vid on the modern spare tire ?
It’ll make its way into the next road trip video
Cops love how quiet the Teslas are. They can sneak up on perps or pull up to the fugitive and arrest them without anyone knowing.
The only thing i can see is the height of the EV being so low would hinder in short off road or over the curb activity's... pls do burnouts in a field with both to test... maybe some jumps? also automatic breaking would really suck when you try push a car off the road lmao
This is an old video, but here is a wise recomendation for track use of any car....WEAR A HELMET. Skill and vehicle don't make a difference any sliding car can flip at any time. I never forget a BMW demonstration event where an "expert driver" flipped it on a power slide.
Pretty sure a police version of a Model 3 would have a modified software for reverse and other things.
Model Y might be great for this also
No comparison..! Sweet plate on that T. I saw a custom plate on a Tesla.. NO ICE
I think it will only take one OTA update and Tesla can transform their vehicles into proper police cars. Even the top speed in R can be easily increased since there is no gearbox. All that beeping and blinking can be turned off because they are only there for safety which a police car driver doesn't really need. A complete new market for Tesla, they should seriously look into this (pretty sure they already do).
They do but the problem is that teslas software is written in a different coding language then what cops have used, so its is a bit of work for the valuable software engineers in tesla to work on.
What drone are you guys using?
We all know that the Tesla Model 3 is better than the crown victoria, but that doesn't change the fact that the crown victoria is loved by many including me, and if they were to change to EV completely that would mean that there would be a lot more CVPI's on the market for me to snag. So I guess you could say it's a win-win situation...
Maybe try the reverse; 10 year old EV against a 2020 police vehicle.
unfair..
Most police agencies have moved to SUVs and care little about pursuit performance due to Risk vs Reward liability. I would much rather drive a Model Y than the Ford Explorers we have at my agency. Getting in and out of the vehicles in full gear multiple times a day is now a huge consideration when purchasing police cars. Performance is great but more tactical software (maps for perimeters) Tesla. could excel at would be more beneficial than speed.
Lets goo. Great channel, great content.
Great video, a couple of points however
1. The vehicles should also be tested loaded with gear, range and acceleration may suffer a bit on the Tesla when loaded as much as needed. Also space is limited in the Tesla.
2. Ease of repairs, the Crown Victoria fleet has been easy and cheap to maintain and repair because anyone with mechanical knowledge can do it and parts are everywhere and body panels are cheap and easy to replace. Same goes for many of the other PPVs in use now. Turn that around with the Tesla. Also pretty much all of the cars a police department has used are body on frame, a unibody car might not be favorable.
3. Many officers take their cars home with them, which would be difficult to manage with the Tesla because if they still wanted to do that they would have to get a charger installed in their home, with an ICE car it can be filled up at the station or anywhere quickly.
Do you get out on the open road in a chase that last longer than 30 or 40 minutes.
I would love a chopped Renault Tweezy as a camera car
They would need to make Steele hood and panels in my opinion. Cops are always cuffing guys on the hood. Tesla aluminum is too delicate.
Police cybertruck YES!
Police model 3 no!
Fart siren. It will be a thing. You read it here first.
You don't have to get the Model 3 to a full stop to put it in drive, you can do it from around 5-6MPH.
In that situation, tell me how you can accurately slow the car to 5mph from 17 and then accelerate forwards in the least amount of time without coming to a complete full brake stop.
No offense intended but if you can drive a car as well as you do in this video how can you not feel when your under 5 miles and hour.
How is the Tesla with the certfication for the police radios. I don't think that Tesla like much more high power HF in the car and many parts need to be modified for the police.
You can't simply put 25-100W HF in the electronics of a EV and tesla needs more shilding and it all needs to be certified.
Police needs much place for all their equipment in their cars.
Mach E might fit.
What if the TM3 was always on "Track Mode"?
Wirmish As he said a police car would have special police software.
Most LEO do not have the driving skills for that
@@tonyc6996 Novices do fine in track mode. It still has assists during track mode.
@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 doesn't really change the fact most LEO aren't technical drivers
Gloucestershire Police in the UK are converting to EVs I think they are using Nissan Leafs.. ATM not using fast interceptors, but just everyday pootlng around.
Seen a lot of police pursuits that last around 90 mins with speeds often around 90mph....
Where those done in a 500HP police patrol car?
I think in UK they will be using Mach -E for their cars.
Why did driving the crown victoria seemed like more fun?
They should have them where they automatically got from street to track mode on its own.
YES!!😎😎
The Smart won right?
Show this to the CHP! Great video
M3 for sure. How about the same general style of video but with newer gas police cars: the Charger and the Ford Interceptor.
No need to catch up to the bad guys in the M3. It will have to slow down so as to not outrun them.
Bring the cars and we’ll do it!
Hold on...The Tesla failed at the most significant part of the test between the two vehicles. Stopping. As Kyle was reading regen brake warnings the car failed to brake which could have easily cause an injury or fatality to the driver or pedestrian. I know that Kyle said later that for some reason he braked late, but this is also after he said that he was a better trained driver than a Police Officer. I am going to give significant points to the old Crown Vic, just because it stopped in the box. As for the rest, Tesla fared as well as it should have against the old Vic. Nice video.
Idling your car is terrible for the environment. Some countries have outlawed idling for more than a few seconds since the 1980s... Kind of crazy that 40 years later there is still no such laws here in the USA.
Because idling is not actually terrible for the environment, its terrible for public health in cities, the US made up for it by switching from coal to natural gas, that made much bigger impact then any European car law could do for C02 emissions.
Police should for sure use Teslas. That's pretty obvious actually.
They can put charging stations at Shiply Donuts
first. ,..ok now ill watch the video :
Neither our police department or sheriff's department use crown Victorias anymore. Our police department uses dodge chargers and our sheriff's department uses ford mustangs. I do think some personal can definitely use electric vehicles like the CSI unit or department leaders who arrive on a scene.
Police already use them for patrol, I think they can go for a 16 hour shift.
I wonder how a SR or SR+ would handle. These would be way more affordable for a police Departments
Cool!
no, police shouldn't use EVs ...atleast not the patrol officers. because they drive over 200 miles a day in their 12 hour shift. meaning, they literally wouldn't have enough time to charge for the next shift.
Why charging happens when they are sleeping... or they can fast charge and in ~15 minutes have enough for another 200+ mile day
Could use as police interceptors or special tatics.
All these Tesla fans supporting their brand.
But no one is representing us Panther Platform guys!
Trust me, these cars will outlast anything on the road. Unbeatable, unkillable, 100% North American.