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That crazy theory isn't even logical. I'm a male nurse and there's a reason women are in the majority in this profession. When it comes to a balance of professional decision making, showing supportive humanity to others and most of all GETTING IT DONE, no one shows up like a woman. Maybe it's the brain wired to handle motherhood, maybe it's because by the time they're grownups they've had to go through way more then men. But women are all the metaphorical vital organs of the medical workspace.
ICU RN here also. I like that you referred to the metaphorical body. My husband and I often do that in reference to marriage, and say that the man is the brain and the woman is the heart. Both needed for life and to work together!
Thank you! ❤ Medical professional, woman, mom here. Male nurses are the best sidekicks at work. Especially when you have heavy, squirrely patients. 😊 but I agree that motherhood prepares you for multitasking, caring, and quick-thinking. I have also learned so much from my OG nurse co-workers. The ones that take you under their wing like a mama bird and teach you the tricks of the trade. The ones that had to wear a white dress and hose and still be badass nurses. 😂
@@n.r.m.15 he said "brain that's wired to handle motherhood". Women can do all those things and not be mothers, but most women are wired that way even if they aren't mothers.
Yeah, anxiety causes degenerative bone loss in your knees. Of course! 🤬 I briefly worked with a doctor in the endocrinology department who told a woman to “take an antidepressant and pray” when he couldn’t be bothered to work on her case. She had seen multiple doctors, non of whom had helped her symptoms. She just wanted an answer to what was wrong with her, and of course was told it was in her head. When I went back in the room, she broke down in tears and told me what the doctor said. I sat on the exam table with her and held her as she cried. Needless to say she didn’t book a follow up appointment. I quit about a week later. 💔
Doctors like that one are why I've lost faith and trust in the medical system at large. The "everything is anxiety" Doctors, there's too many of them VS the good ones who actually want to figure out and get to the the root cause of what's going on.
So... Fun fact. DMSO is still used quite often in the veterinary world, esp for horses. It's pretty easy to get over the counter in gel and liquid form, and it's not only used as an anti inflammatory itself but it's best known for being able to carry whatever you put with it directly into the bloodstream. (So you mix it with Ibuprofen, for example, and put it on your skin.... Goes straight into the bloodstream from topical application, do not pass go, do not collect $200.) Another fun fact is that it absorbs super fast. So if Rosie was as private as it sounds like she was, it's possible she didn't want her boyfriend and close family to know she was trying alternative medicine. If she applied it without gloves or without washing her hands and, say, right after taking her medication, Rosie could have accidentally ODed herself while applying the DMSO without realizing it, causing the issues that sent her to the hospital and starting the chain reaction - meanwhile, friends and family may have never been aware.
That makes sense. We need to start with children and repeat every year that veterinary medicine is not made for humans. That gasoline and car oil should not be used on any living creature. Over and over and over. I don’t know how else to get some of these people to stop doing it. Sigh.
This is exactly what I was thinking too. Like a lot of women, we hear all kinds of nonsense and old wives tales on how to cure/relieve symptoms through alternative means. Whether it's essential oils, the miracles of apple cider vinegar, or different things to help with your period.... We get this kind of stuff thrust in our faces on the regular. It wouldn't surprise me if a close friend, aged relative, or even a stranger at a doctor's office where she went for treatment told her how it cured so and so's cancer....or at the very least, helped their symptoms. I've fallen victim to it myself when I was younger, and as a woman who has had and beat cancer three times (cervical, skin, and most recently brain), I'll tell you that even the smartest, toughest, most practical person you know will consider snake oil, when their options are running out. Whether her loved ones truly knew or not is also debatable. If I had been the Auntie who mentioned the "miracle cure" that would end up killing my niece, injuring others, and creating a medical mystery that is still not completely solved... I'd probably stay silent too. What I'm trying to say is that most women are pretty secretive about how they manage their health, especially when it comes to "miracle cures". It's embarrassing to rub Vicks all over your feet and put a slice of onion on your soles, before sliding a sock over it. If it works, you sing its praises, but if it fails, nobody witnessed it so there's nothing to be embarrassed about! My humble opinion is that everyone was feeling like the chemo or radiation wasn't helping. Through some means, she was told about the horse cream, and she thought.... It's cheaper and easier than chemo! She picked it up on her way home from treatment and figured she'd give it a try, what did she have to lose? She took her nighttime meds, applied the cream and crawled into bed, hoping the new "cure" would at least help her symptoms (which are brutal). She begins to overdose on the meds she has taken (even now cancer free, I take 11 meds in the morning, 7 at midday, 9 at night, and 5 in the middle of the night. When I was battling cancer, I had more than that, plus supplements....), and is put in the ambulance... which gives her oxygen all the way to the hospital. Every subsequent drug is making the overdose worse, because they don't know she *is* overdosing. The chemical reaction occurs and when the nurses...who are the ones who usually stick people...draw blood, they are the ones most affected. They just happen to all be women nurses, hence why it was only women affected. It seriously just makes sense. And they've never been able to recreate it........ No shit! Your telling me they are going to take a woman dying of specifically stage four cervical cancer, slather her in the compound cream, force her to take all the meds Rosie took that night, and then repeat what every single medical person did that night to see if they can recreate it?!? No. There's no way to perfectly recreate this. Not with a mouse, or a pig, or a monkey. Not to mention there will never be anyone with her exact genetic sequence, taking the exact chemo mixture, using the exact cream of the exact batch..... Like, you can't perfectly recreate this, no one will be able to, and to me that is a good thing. Can you imagine the perfect recreation of these events, in the hands of a terrorist? That knowledge should never be given to the public, even if they do figure it out. 😓
It's weird stuff, soon after just applying a little to your skin you get this weird garlic taste in your mouth. You can also apparently taste things you touch but it's dangerous to mess with. Most things are not safe to be directly introduced into your blood stream, and though that seems obvious, a lot of people think it makes perfect sense to use stuff like topical acne treatments with DMSO because the cream will go right to the source of the acne, but everything in that cream also winds up in the blood stream. You can still buy it for human use, but it's certainly not recommended by anyone who cares to be responsible with their medical advice.
@@stevengrass6800 As a woman, I cannot tell you how different some doctors respond to my complaints vs. my husband's EXACT SAME complaints. The fact that, even 30 years ago, such an archaic and dismissive diagnosis could happen is disgusting. That's the kind of thing that happened in the Victorian era. Shouldn't have happened then, definitely shouldn't have happened 30 years ago, and it still happens today. They've just gotten better at gaslighting women and convincing us we're imagining things.
Like isn't the name itself a sexist idea? Like hysterical? Hyster from like hysterectomy. It's an incredibly outdated idea based on sexism assumptions and not actual unbiased science
@@c4tl4dy76I agree that diagnosis shouldn't have been used in since the 18th century, but the way society treats women and victimhood these days, I find your entire statement unbelievable.
Electricity was also needed for it to become a gas, not only the oxygen. But the electricity came from the doctors doing electro shock to her heart, trying to keep her alive. So, it is even crazier, she used the de-greaser > oxygen mask was used on her > electro shock to her heart > gas.
My mom was a resident working at that hospital that day, I still remember how in the dark we were about everything and how scared we were when we heard the story from her later.
I went to the hospital vomiting uncontrollably for days when I was 8. They were never able to diagnose it, so sometimes unexplainable stuff happens but I didn't die unlike that poor woman.
This reminds me of the short “Stink Bomb”. A Japanese man took an experimental pill because he had a cold. He takes a nap only to notice that all of his coworkers in the building had collapsed. Meanwhile the Japanese and US government and military were trying to figure it out.
I’ve never accepted the idea of mass delusion, hallucination or hysteria. From the old stories of the dancing plague to today’s story. If it sounds really counter-intuitive, that’s because it’s nonsense
The dancing plague was actually a real illness, a viral outbreak that spread to the brain and caused jerky dance-like movements. It was a case not dissimilar from Typhoid Mary in how it spread. There's also instances historically of recorded "laughter plagues" that were similarly born from highly-contagious sicknesses. We've not discovered everything that's out there in the world, so the potential for these things to be discovered exists even still to this day. For the most part, mass health events are either linked to a literal pathogen being passed around, or its a case of social-plague (where the IDEA of an illness existing and spreading is 'made real' by people in a community becoming hysterically scared of having it). Mob-mentality is a hell of a thing and its known that a social group can infect itself with an idea and spread said idea. So, in fact, there are 'documented' historical cases of whole groups of people suffering unexplained hysterias and hallucinations for a number of reasons. Not everything that's counter-intuitive is actually nonsense... sometimes, you're just not educated on the specifics. Medicine and historical cases in the field are not 'obvious' things. It's not "obvious" what's going on inside the human body, that's why it takes upwards of 10 years of post-secondary study just to get working as a medical professional. The amount of study involved in becoming a doctor is directly related to how complicated the actual subject of biology and physiology actually are. Also, hysteria CAN be "transmitted" to others or shared... via mob-mentality. Ever seen one person screaming spook an entire crowd of people into panic and trampling others? Yeah, that's an example of mass hysteria that we've seen more than once today. A lot of the people in those hysterical crowds don't know why the crowd is panicking, they just know its time to panic for whatever reason, even if its just because the mob around them is frenzied.
The theory of mass hysteria for this case is so unbelievable for me. These are medical professionals who are trained to handle these situations. These aren’t typical people who would tweak out over this.
@@bakaichigolike the madness or hysteria in some villages went crazy, in those days people didn’t have that much of medical knowledge nor psychology. But they claimed they where bewitched or a spell was casts over them. There was a what we call now a doctor send by the landlord that didn’t want the disease spread to his family and that doctor found there was wheat moldy but due the fact the best wheats and grains went to the landlord and the farmers had do with was allowed or kept the miller still milled it they baked bread and that made people go crazy. It subsided afterwards. It has happened later on in history too, it seems when there’s failed crops and as result not enough or even now a days it can happen when wheat or other grain crops are moldy due to wet weather or humidity. It’s rare.
There is mass delusion it's just not seen in this sense, it's more like things like satanic panic or more recently believing in conspiracy theories or flat earthers. In Australia we had a bunch of girls fainting before they got their HPV vaccine, before they got the vaccine and then blaming it on the vaccine. That's mass hysteria. These nurses would never get mass hysteria can you imagine the crazy stuff they have seen. They have seen worse things than the Drs. It just wouldn't happen.
I remember when it happened and everyone was like meh, that’s women for you. The ones saying it were not amused when I pointed out that there sure were a lot of women in critical positions in hospitals for mass hysteria to be a legitimate answer to something like this. Sounds like men should be the ones being nurses and emptying bedpans. Suddenly women in hospitals are fine. Ingredients on everything wasn’t a thing yet. It’s very possible that Rosie was using a product that was not sold in stores. Something that women knew about and would bring back from Mexico or could get from a doctor who was making small batches of a 60s DMSO based treatment because it wouldn’t hurt, and there wasn’t a whole lot that could be done for late stage cancer in the 90s. Rosie’s family wouldn’t know what to look for if someone asked them if she was using DMSO. That garlicky oil she got from her sister’s hairstylist wouldn’t register as something to tell anyone about. Also the family blamed the hospital for her death, so they’re not going to help them pin this on Rosie. I don’t blame them for not cooperating. Look how they treated their own nurses.
I have so many questions! Did the CDC do a formal search of the residence? Did anyone else in the house get sick? Did they take swabs of the oil or keep any blood drawn? When was the last time testing was done on the tissues? This story is wild! Thank you for covering this.
I remember hearing about this as a kid and figured that it was just a perfect storm. There’s still so much we don’t know about the human body and with everyone’s body being different, who knows what could have caused everything.
I remember when this happened. I was working at a cancer clinic as part of my high school work program. I always thought it was bad chemo drugs but I like the DSMO theory. It makes sense when you said she was private and not sharing things about it with her family.
I just had orientation for a health organization last week and we talked about chemicals that exposed to oxygen which is pumped into hospitals can become gas and then fire and what to do. I’m going to be just scheduling radiology appointments but you’d be shocked how many hospitals and emergency rooms do not think it’s important to train nurses in things chemists and people in the labs know.
If I remember correctly DMSO also helps carry stuff into the body. We use it for horses a lot and I believe also use it to help absorb into the skin. We normally use gloves but god knows we’re bad about it. DMSO is easy to buy at any feed store too and a staple in our med kits for horses
As a paramedic, we studied this case. We were told that the combination of the chemo and the meds given by the staff, created a gaseous chemical in her blood, that caused the symptoms that the staff experienced.
Such a very bizarre and baffling case. At every stage I was going "oof" because it really does sound like just the worst case scenario for everyone. As for the whole "women experience some symptoms that men don't" thing - whilst that can be a thing, and can go the opposite way too, I'm still gonna call bullshit because it sounds like they were just trying to blame the women involved for such a freakish aberration that no one could account for.
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I remember hearing about this and thinking it was wild. I work at a pharmacy and we get prescriptions for topical DSMO but I never knew what it was for. I learned something new today!
I was a lab tech at the University of Cambridge biochemistry department for 4 years. Id done an apprenticeship the first 2 years so one day a week id be at college. How i was introduced to dmso, it was kept in a lockbox with other highly dangerous chemicals. I was warned even wearing nitrile gloves a spill could penetrate the glove and your skin. I was told that if it does touch your skin it absorbs into the blood so quickly you will have a taste in your mouth. So think of dmso as a catalyst that makes this absorption transference happen, it becomes truly dangerous if mixed with another chemical because of the properties dmso has to penetrate your body
Also the hot spot of a drug trafficking ring that was being run out of the same hospital specializing in methamphetamine. Liquid form being stored in iv bags. Which was never fully investigated after this happened however the sting was carried out shortly after the incident.
this reminds me of the “curse” that an amazionian tribe was afflicted with. It affected mainly women and children; an uncontrollable shake took over their body slowly over a year, then in the last weeks they would laugh till the very end. It was long ago so the first researcher just called it ‘a hysteria of sorts’. Years after 2 more researchers actually actively studied the victims…turns out it was a brain-eating worm that they contracted through ritualistic consumption of the dead. Thankfully the tribe was saved before they were wiped out in this horrific way. If you respond please be respectful of people’s beliefs and traditions. Edit: so glad to have you back Swoop! Lots of love ❤️
I immediately thought urine in the blood as soon as they said amonia at the beginning. Im not a nurse or a scientist. How could they have no one have thought of this?
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Yes, a Law & Order episode about a person treating people with cancer with alternative medicine through a type of cyanide. The laetrile/cyanide alternative treatment was really big in the 80s and 90s, especially for breast cancer. Many people have theorized the illness suffered by medical personnel to conversion (what used to be called mass hysteria, which could be unfair but it is still real sickness, its just your brain lying to itself).
Wow I never hear about avascular necrosis online…I had it in my hips, ankles, and one shoulder after taking high doses of prednisone after a bone marrow transplant. I had to get both my hips replaced at 17 years old and my ankles and shoulder are basically fused where the bones reset after they hardened again. Pretty wild. Do not recommend. 😮
I've seen this case multiple times. My opinion is her body created a chemical imbalance because of her chemo treatment than the staff added more chemicals which made her a physically toxic person. The nurses got sicker because they did more than the male doctors.
Ok literally though “what in the greys anatomy episode is this” absolutely UNHINGED level of crazy. If this didn’t really happen and had proof I’d assume it wasn’t real 😮
I remember this; she was only a couple years older than me. Personal opinion: she couldn't keep affording the chemotherapy and tried other remedies to fight her cancer. Her loved ones wouldn't know because there's nothing they could have done to help on that scale. Besides, it is embarrassing to admit that you can't afford health care (and there were some really wild "natural" remedies being pushed at the time; my mom had us eating apricot pits less than a decade earlier, believing in laetrile. It's a miracle we didn't end up dead with some of this, and none of us even had cancer.) I'm sorry for those who tried to save her life that night, for the health impact they took. I'm sorry for her family, who lost her so young and so publicly. This was a tragic mix of so many things.
I read an article about this incident where the author had a different theory. Riverside county is a hotbed for meth manufacturing, or at least it was in 1994. There were apparently rumors that a chemical used to manufacture meth was commonly used as a cleaning agent at the hospital for sterilizing. The theory is that a worker or workers at the hospital were using IV bags to smuggle the chemical out of the hospital. That night in the ER one of the IV bags containing the chemical was used on this woman. The moment the chemical is exposed to air it causes the exact same symptoms reported by the staff in the ER that day. The article has an explanation for why it wouldn't have shown uo during thr autopsy but I also think a cover up is a plausible reason. This explanation is also wild (and we will never know what really happened) but I think this version of evenfs slightly less unlikely than the DHMO theory imo. I have so much sympathy for her family who still have no answers.
So a genuinely possible theory couldn’t have possibly happened just because of how unlikely it would be, but a bunch of women becoming hysteric for no reason is definitely the answer. Gotcha 👍🏻
Yay! does this mean you're feeling better? I don't think this is the answer and I had to double check, but the symptoms kind of sounds like Lilly of the Valley poisoning. Except for the garlic smell even though it can be confused in LOOKS to wild garlic it doesn't smell like it. Cannot imagine how it would affect others it was just the first thing that popped to mind.
That's definitely the most "polite" way of saying "this is why women shouldn't be in stressful positions and shouldn't work. The forefathers were right. Hysteria." 🙄🙄🙄
They wouldn't tell us anyway. I got sick and was throwing up violently even threw up the liquid in my gallbladder that is neon green and I was rushed by ambulance to the hospital. They quicky injected anti nausea meds. Those meds mixed with a prescription I was already taking and it caused a potentially fatal heart defect. It was there mistake they saw what I was on and someone dropped the ball putting in nausea medicine. My mother who was holding my hand in the ER and myself heard them say they screwed up bad muxing the meds together. I was in the Hospital fir a week because they were not sure my heart wouldn't stop. When I was discharged they put "Unknown cause" when in fact is was medical error. So you cant trust doctors and hospitals to not fluck things up big time.
@@ReviewsAndMore9 I did. And to get honest I got the vibe they were not going to make it easy. I also felt like it be our word against professionals. I even mentioned sueing and it felt like no one in my family thought like it was a good idea. They very well could have umalived me. You are right. I should have sued.
RE: Mass Hysteria. It is absolutely a real phenomenon. Have you ever convinced yourself something was wrong to the point you started showing real symptoms? I have, several times. I convinced myself i had symptoms of an extremely rare autoimmune disorder to the point i had full body joint aches at times which is unusual. As soon as my ANA blood test came back negative every symptom basically disappeared. It started because i have a rare blood vessel condition that 9/10 times is associated with an autoimmune disorder. The above example is a single person's experience, but it goes to show how intelligent the brain is, even when it makes an error. It's not terribly common and it happens to both sexes, but it can absolutely happen! I dont think it's out of the realm of possibility whatsoever.
Not everyone is like that though. People can have unexplainable symptoms and it doesn't mean they're convincing themselves or being delusional about it. Women are always told they are just overreacting or mentally ill. This case is a lot more difficult to narrow down causes. I disagree that mass hysteria was the case here. More likely, something with the "gas" released impacted the people.
Omg I know exactly what that smells like. We had a horse that had to have DMSO treatment and you could smell her all the way across the field a very pungent garlic gag your ass smell!!!! Absolutely awful
The hysteria theory sounds like something Jordan Peterson would come up with. Either way, it’s at least good to know ONE thing for certain: that theory is definitely not what happened.
DMSO is a lovely medication for persons who need it for bladder indications ie interstitial cystitis. You instil it directly into the bladder through a camera, with a cocktail of other medications, but dear god does it stink to the high heavens. Love a OR/PACU nurse that works with urologists that do therapeutic DMSO instillation.
And if you want a likely explanation of why female staff members had more severe symptoms: women were/are more likely to be nurses, lab techs, respiratory therapists, etc. Basically all the people who have close, prolonged contact with patients and any physical specimens (like blood). So their exposure to whatever made Ms. Hernandez so toxic was greater (in all likelihood.). That’s another obvious ‘duh’ to the dummies who suggested it was all in their little lady heads..
so scary. i was diagnosed with OTC deficiency, X linked . all i know or was told by Dr, is 23:20 body produces too much amonia.. everyone produces armonía in their system, mine can just run too high.. ive still yet had any other doctor since the one who found it , know, have know clue nor have ever heard of.. and when they take my blood , they hv to put the one they draw to test for the ammonia levels in ice, the blood that is . id love to lnow what it is snd means.. my mothers tried but too much down rabbit holes . anyone out there in the medical field, have any opinions about what the diagnoses , and what why and how did i get it and what it means. the dr at time i can not find anymore so kinda lost .
This all happened before the medical community admitted that for >90% of Western medical history, all data was collected from cishet white men, with the exceptions of breast, ovarian, uterine, and cervical cancers and contraceptives. The medical community and industrial complex have a lot of work to do to begin fixing this, but we still have too many with the money to pay for those studies refusing to fix anything.
I was fuming at that article quote. It does not make any sort of sense medically or scientifically, based on the symptoms of each hospital staff member, and how long they were affected.
As an ED Trauma Nurse, we deal with highly stressful, traumatic, horrific situations on the daily. There are things I've seen that have actually scarred me. We learn to "shelf" our feelings and move on to the next patient. I find the women falling to "mass hysteria" HIGHLY unlikely. In fact, most of the time, we are accused of not feeling ENOUGH. Something bad enough to knock an ED nurse/doc down is most definitely NOT hysteria. Smh, unreal
My question for you is what percentage of the ED staff are women? I know that the trauma response team at a local large hospital is one man, and 6 to 8 women. A friend who was the head of an ICU in the same hospital, once told me he preferred women on his staff because they reacted to emergencies for more efficiently and were better at processing in the aftermath of trauma.
@catm5889 We are a Level 1 trauma center, so we have a large staff. To be honest, I don't know percentages. But, we have both male and female docs and nurses. Although, I'll say the majority of docs are male and the majority of nurses are female. Our techs are split pretty equally.
(I'd also like to add as someone who also works in healthcare, the suggestion the hysteria was "perhaps triggered by an odor" made me snort-laugh. A strange odor? In a hospital? Surrounded by sickly human beings? IMAGINE. 😂)
I just have to say that the theory about mass hysteria with women becoming "anxious" in the medical setting is such a load of BS. They tried to push that theory on a family member of mine that officially got diagnosed by a female cardiologist that saw all of the documentation we had from the hospital. NOT ONLY did my family member have tachycardia, but she had 2 infarcts (STROKES) that were in the hospital's medical records. AND YET. And YET the hospital that had those records pushed for her to see a psychiatrist and insisted all the issues she was having was anxiety... which was so incredibly false. The hospital blatantly lied to us about the records and never told us about the recorded strokes, we had to learn that from a specialist. I hate hospitals in America so much.
I will NEVER understand why any woman with ANY kind of symptoms are treated as such. Ultimately it was nerve damage (carpal tunnel, ulna nerve in elbow) and subsequent surgery due to type 1 diabetes complication. When the pain got so bad I thought it was affecting my heart, it was chalked up to anxiety because the ER doc didn't like the medication I was taking AND my Mom was there crying with me. F that a**hat.
ED worker here: a “sociogenic” illness is now called a Conversion Disorder (CD) Symptoms certainly include abnormal body sensations, loss of coordination and even convulsions. But a CD cannot cause necrosis of bone or respiratory failure or anything else that could EVER lead to an ICU stay. A CD is a CD (and not any other diagnosis) because it’s symptoms STAY neurological and have any effect on the ways we determine someone’s physical health. I can’t believe so-called professional investigators would overlook that basic fact.
Conversion Disorder is now more commonly referred to as Functional Neurological Disorder. I have it and I suffer from tics, migraines, and non-epileptic seizures. From what I heard in the doc I think it’s probably a bit of both. It definitely doesn’t account for the ER stays. But FND is interesting because it’s not just caused by trauma or “hysteria”. Some people get it after getting the flu or an infection. I wouldn’t be surprised if the chemicals caused these episodes of FND until they were fully worked out of the system.
Honestly it was the 90s.... they were telling my mom i was throwing up so much at night at 3 yrs old randomly because of "night terrors" and when it didn't stop into adulthood and the vomiting wouldnt stop with out iv nausea meds and fluids the reasons changed from that to ibs with "anxiety over school/wanting to skip school" to then when school wasnt a problem it changed to "anxiety" and then because they were all ignoring the problem and pain became a symptom it then turned into "drug seeking". It wasnt until 2012 that we went 8hrs away to a specialist that finally was like "uhh youve got SOD and gastroparesis thats probably been there since you were young and now youve got pancreatits involved cause its gone so long undiagnosed.".... sooo i can completely imagine professionals coming up with this back then. 🫠🙃
@@kayleighrowell3218 I have FND too. I think it was _most likely_ caused by my PTSD, but there is definitely no sociogenic element to it. So I'm not sure if there's a medical differentiation between sociogenic types of "conversion disorder" and people who have FND. I am aware that it can have non-psychiatric causes, and I think that's why people have started to move away from calling it conversion disorder, but it's still very poorly understood and usually treated as more of a neuropsychiatric illness (hence why I can't be treated for it bc my insurance sucks at mental health care). I was diagnosed with it after I had a seizure in the hospital but my EEG was normal the whole time. My body is stuck in "fight-or-flight" mode. I have tics, stuttering, etc. I also have a lot of cardiac symptoms, but it's not always clear if it's the FND or the dysautonomia.
@@bananawitchcraft I agree. I was thinking about certain incidents where people experience FND temporarily. There are reports of people becoming blind or getting seizures after an earthquake and recovering later once they know everything is okay. It’s a weird disorder and hard to diagnose specific causes of it as of now. I was speculating that the chemicals might have triggered something or the stress of the night having lasting effects.
@@kayleighrowell3218 for me it so doesnt add up to be caused by stress because i think a person with cancer getting into ER is a pretty... usual? thing for hospital staff. and it couldn't be that they got stressed because of their coworker fainting because why exactly did this coworker faint when they all got similar symptoms? the theory with this lady getting that substance on herself is way more believable, it'd explain the smell, the particles in her blood, the oily feel of her skin. or idk like her body producing some weird shit, even this would be way more believable than mass hysteria...
I remember this case. It was extremely odd. You did a great job explaining all the avenues. It was a perfect storm it seems…never to happen again. And who gets put in the ICU for 10 days and 2 weeks because of hysteria? Ridiculous. Those women were affected by something.
And people still say "Well, why weren't the doctors affected?? Obviously, it was just Female Hysteria in a High Pressure Situation!" No. Doctors are not in close, consistent contact with patients. Doctors are not collecting the samples. Doctors are not handling, transporting and prepping the patients. Doctors don't have the most and closest contact; Nurses do
I can't remember who else did a video on this that explained the crazy events of how perfectly everything just went wrong cuz the lady consuming that stuff she thought would help get rid of her cancer (I forgot what it was, I haven't watched this video yet) so when they took the defibrillator to her, it caused a chemical reaction with it inside her body and essentially made her a bio weapon. It was wild how everything lined up, I truly doubt it's something that would happen again. At least if it did though, we have something to look at for reference.
@@rachegasm Yes! That was it! I watch way too many ppl lol. I honestly think that's the best explanation. Sure sounds better than "Oh, its just silly women being dramatic". I imagine it would be extremely hard to recreate to prove.
Defibrillator would explain why the ambulance staff didn't get sick. Ambulance staff would do venipuncture, give some stabilizing meds, give oxygen. So why weren't they stricken? (No, the answer isn't "because they were men." 😂) Maybe they were affected and I missed it? Really, any energy-driven diagnostic or treatment could have been the catalyst; or possibly a drug metabolism by-product triggered a reaction: that would have been delayed and could have had its onset in the ER. This story has always fascinated me
Did anyone ever investigate where she was getting her chemotherapy from? Could she have received something contaminated or deliberately altered, like black market meds? How long was it between her last chemo treatment and her succumbing to her cancer?
Nah in the end she was using a topical cream to help her with pain. The combo of men's, cream and her chemo treatment. This lady became the human embodiment of nerve gas!! This case was soooooooooo wild !!!
@@epictwinkaho1ic828 But as was mentioned---they weren't able to duplicate what happened based on this theory. And when you're approaching something like this scientifically---if you can't duplicate it, the theory is debunked. Her family also says she wasn't using the cream.
@@epictwinkaho1ic828they said it was DMSO cream. I have that cream and use it often and I’ve never had this (obviously bc this case is so bizarre). They said it had to have been copious amounts. The whole thing is just mysterious.
@mhi11 of course they can't duplicate it if they don't have the exact amount of cream used. The dosage of it too. Not to mention the cocktail they administered and the drugs administered in the ambulance. All I know from the story told to me by actual family who were around Is she literally became nerve gas. My uncle was at the hospital and told staff it was nerve gas cause he recognized the affects from war.
It was mentioned that she didn’t have health insurance or a job when she got dx, and back then, anything and everything was a “pre-existing condition” that wouldn’t be covered if you got a job and health insurance after dx.
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That crazy theory isn't even logical. I'm a male nurse and there's a reason women are in the majority in this profession. When it comes to a balance of professional decision making, showing supportive humanity to others and most of all GETTING IT DONE, no one shows up like a woman. Maybe it's the brain wired to handle motherhood, maybe it's because by the time they're grownups they've had to go through way more then men. But women are all the metaphorical vital organs of the medical workspace.
ICU RN here also. I like that you referred to the metaphorical body. My husband and I often do that in reference to marriage, and say that the man is the brain and the woman is the heart. Both needed for life and to work together!
Thank you! ❤ Medical professional, woman, mom here. Male nurses are the best sidekicks at work. Especially when you have heavy, squirrely patients. 😊 but I agree that motherhood prepares you for multitasking, caring, and quick-thinking. I have also learned so much from my OG nurse co-workers. The ones that take you under their wing like a mama bird and teach you the tricks of the trade. The ones that had to wear a white dress and hose and still be badass nurses. 😂
@@n.r.m.15 he said "brain that's wired to handle motherhood". Women can do all those things and not be mothers, but most women are wired that way even if they aren't mothers.
@@Bethany0420 i think all women are amazing regardless of if they're a mom or not. 🥰
@@n.r.m.15 oh I don't doubt that you do, I just wanted to clarify how the person above said it. No worries ❤️
Imagine having all of these longterm symptoms and being diagnosed with “woman”
I think a lot of us don't HAVE to imagine it ;-;
It's better now! You get diagnosed with "anxious woman" these days ✨🥰
It's honestly a living nightmare to live with such a crippling condition
I wish it wasn't true but it is.
That's most women with chronic physical illness or psychological illness... in the US anyway.
Yeah, anxiety causes degenerative bone loss in your knees. Of course! 🤬 I briefly worked with a doctor in the endocrinology department who told a woman to “take an antidepressant and pray” when he couldn’t be bothered to work on her case. She had seen multiple doctors, non of whom had helped her symptoms. She just wanted an answer to what was wrong with her, and of course was told it was in her head. When I went back in the room, she broke down in tears and told me what the doctor said. I sat on the exam table with her and held her as she cried. Needless to say she didn’t book a follow up appointment. I quit about a week later. 💔
Doctors like that one are why I've lost faith and trust in the medical system at large. The "everything is anxiety" Doctors, there's too many of them VS the good ones who actually want to figure out and get to the the root cause of what's going on.
It’s not just men doctors, either, some of the women are malignant narcissists, too, sadly.
@@SnowieShiba And if it's not anxiety, it's being overweight. And possibly also anxiety.
Reminds me of how women way back when were being diagnosed with hysteria when really it was lead poisoning.
So... Fun fact. DMSO is still used quite often in the veterinary world, esp for horses. It's pretty easy to get over the counter in gel and liquid form, and it's not only used as an anti inflammatory itself but it's best known for being able to carry whatever you put with it directly into the bloodstream. (So you mix it with Ibuprofen, for example, and put it on your skin.... Goes straight into the bloodstream from topical application, do not pass go, do not collect $200.)
Another fun fact is that it absorbs super fast. So if Rosie was as private as it sounds like she was, it's possible she didn't want her boyfriend and close family to know she was trying alternative medicine. If she applied it without gloves or without washing her hands and, say, right after taking her medication, Rosie could have accidentally ODed herself while applying the DMSO without realizing it, causing the issues that sent her to the hospital and starting the chain reaction - meanwhile, friends and family may have never been aware.
That makes sense. We need to start with children and repeat every year that veterinary medicine is not made for humans. That gasoline and car oil should not be used on any living creature. Over and over and over. I don’t know how else to get some of these people to stop doing it. Sigh.
Excellent explanation!
This is exactly what I was thinking too. Like a lot of women, we hear all kinds of nonsense and old wives tales on how to cure/relieve symptoms through alternative means. Whether it's essential oils, the miracles of apple cider vinegar, or different things to help with your period.... We get this kind of stuff thrust in our faces on the regular. It wouldn't surprise me if a close friend, aged relative, or even a stranger at a doctor's office where she went for treatment told her how it cured so and so's cancer....or at the very least, helped their symptoms. I've fallen victim to it myself when I was younger, and as a woman who has had and beat cancer three times (cervical, skin, and most recently brain), I'll tell you that even the smartest, toughest, most practical person you know will consider snake oil, when their options are running out. Whether her loved ones truly knew or not is also debatable. If I had been the Auntie who mentioned the "miracle cure" that would end up killing my niece, injuring others, and creating a medical mystery that is still not completely solved... I'd probably stay silent too. What I'm trying to say is that most women are pretty secretive about how they manage their health, especially when it comes to "miracle cures". It's embarrassing to rub Vicks all over your feet and put a slice of onion on your soles, before sliding a sock over it. If it works, you sing its praises, but if it fails, nobody witnessed it so there's nothing to be embarrassed about!
My humble opinion is that everyone was feeling like the chemo or radiation wasn't helping. Through some means, she was told about the horse cream, and she thought.... It's cheaper and easier than chemo! She picked it up on her way home from treatment and figured she'd give it a try, what did she have to lose? She took her nighttime meds, applied the cream and crawled into bed, hoping the new "cure" would at least help her symptoms (which are brutal). She begins to overdose on the meds she has taken (even now cancer free, I take 11 meds in the morning, 7 at midday, 9 at night, and 5 in the middle of the night. When I was battling cancer, I had more than that, plus supplements....), and is put in the ambulance... which gives her oxygen all the way to the hospital. Every subsequent drug is making the overdose worse, because they don't know she *is* overdosing. The chemical reaction occurs and when the nurses...who are the ones who usually stick people...draw blood, they are the ones most affected. They just happen to all be women nurses, hence why it was only women affected. It seriously just makes sense. And they've never been able to recreate it........ No shit! Your telling me they are going to take a woman dying of specifically stage four cervical cancer, slather her in the compound cream, force her to take all the meds Rosie took that night, and then repeat what every single medical person did that night to see if they can recreate it?!? No. There's no way to perfectly recreate this. Not with a mouse, or a pig, or a monkey. Not to mention there will never be anyone with her exact genetic sequence, taking the exact chemo mixture, using the exact cream of the exact batch.....
Like, you can't perfectly recreate this, no one will be able to, and to me that is a good thing. Can you imagine the perfect recreation of these events, in the hands of a terrorist? That knowledge should never be given to the public, even if they do figure it out. 😓
This feels the most likely for me
It's weird stuff, soon after just applying a little to your skin you get this weird garlic taste in your mouth. You can also apparently taste things you touch but it's dangerous to mess with. Most things are not safe to be directly introduced into your blood stream, and though that seems obvious, a lot of people think it makes perfect sense to use stuff like topical acne treatments with DMSO because the cream will go right to the source of the acne, but everything in that cream also winds up in the blood stream.
You can still buy it for human use, but it's certainly not recommended by anyone who cares to be responsible with their medical advice.
Ahh, yes, the old "hysteria in women". I guess some stupid never dies
You realize that diagnosis was attempted 30 YEARS AGO NOT YESTERDAY, right?
@@stevengrass6800which is pretty recent
@@stevengrass6800 As a woman, I cannot tell you how different some doctors respond to my complaints vs. my husband's EXACT SAME complaints. The fact that, even 30 years ago, such an archaic and dismissive diagnosis could happen is disgusting. That's the kind of thing that happened in the Victorian era. Shouldn't have happened then, definitely shouldn't have happened 30 years ago, and it still happens today. They've just gotten better at gaslighting women and convincing us we're imagining things.
Like isn't the name itself a sexist idea? Like hysterical? Hyster from like hysterectomy. It's an incredibly outdated idea based on sexism assumptions and not actual unbiased science
@@c4tl4dy76I agree that diagnosis shouldn't have been used in since the 18th century, but the way society treats women and victimhood these days, I find your entire statement unbelievable.
I mean the one woman was in the ICU for 14 days and had bone necrosis. you can't hysteria yourself into your bone dying.
Electricity was also needed for it to become a gas, not only the oxygen. But the electricity came from the doctors doing electro shock to her heart, trying to keep her alive.
So, it is even crazier, she used the de-greaser > oxygen mask was used on her > electro shock to her heart > gas.
Yes, that was the most likely explanation I have seen over the years. It was such an insane story!
Discover has a point. When I get Anxiety , my body parts start to decay as well. 🙃
"Maybe answered Andrew Tate and called it a day?" Oh, I see Petty University has opened early... I'm here for it 😂
My mom was a resident working at that hospital that day, I still remember how in the dark we were about everything and how scared we were when we heard the story from her later.
I went to the hospital vomiting uncontrollably for days when I was 8. They were never able to diagnose it, so sometimes unexplainable stuff happens but I didn't die unlike that poor woman.
I must be old as hell because i vividly remember an episode of E.R. portraying this exact story. 😂
Grey's Anatomy did one too
I think it was also a basis for a Law and Order episode.
Did HOUSE also do one?
I think EVERY medical show has done a variation of this story x
You're not old for remembering this story. We're both old for remembering ER
That scientist is gonna have to explain to me how sociogenic illness can cause NECROSIS!?!?
I REMEMBER THIS! I live in Riverside and it’s so wild. I was hoping someone would bring more attention to her story!!!!
This reminds me of the short “Stink Bomb”.
A Japanese man took an experimental pill because he had a cold. He takes a nap only to notice that all of his coworkers in the building had collapsed.
Meanwhile the Japanese and US government and military were trying to figure it out.
I’ve never accepted the idea of mass delusion, hallucination or hysteria. From the old stories of the dancing plague to today’s story. If it sounds really counter-intuitive, that’s because it’s nonsense
The dancing plague was actually a real illness, a viral outbreak that spread to the brain and caused jerky dance-like movements. It was a case not dissimilar from Typhoid Mary in how it spread. There's also instances historically of recorded "laughter plagues" that were similarly born from highly-contagious sicknesses. We've not discovered everything that's out there in the world, so the potential for these things to be discovered exists even still to this day.
For the most part, mass health events are either linked to a literal pathogen being passed around, or its a case of social-plague (where the IDEA of an illness existing and spreading is 'made real' by people in a community becoming hysterically scared of having it). Mob-mentality is a hell of a thing and its known that a social group can infect itself with an idea and spread said idea. So, in fact, there are 'documented' historical cases of whole groups of people suffering unexplained hysterias and hallucinations for a number of reasons.
Not everything that's counter-intuitive is actually nonsense... sometimes, you're just not educated on the specifics. Medicine and historical cases in the field are not 'obvious' things. It's not "obvious" what's going on inside the human body, that's why it takes upwards of 10 years of post-secondary study just to get working as a medical professional. The amount of study involved in becoming a doctor is directly related to how complicated the actual subject of biology and physiology actually are.
Also, hysteria CAN be "transmitted" to others or shared... via mob-mentality. Ever seen one person screaming spook an entire crowd of people into panic and trampling others? Yeah, that's an example of mass hysteria that we've seen more than once today. A lot of the people in those hysterical crowds don't know why the crowd is panicking, they just know its time to panic for whatever reason, even if its just because the mob around them is frenzied.
@@bakaichigo exactly I agree with you. Also in the psychiatric world, even suicidal ideation is seen as "contagious" especially among teens.
The theory of mass hysteria for this case is so unbelievable for me. These are medical professionals who are trained to handle these situations. These aren’t typical people who would tweak out over this.
@@bakaichigolike the madness or hysteria in some villages went crazy, in those days people didn’t have that much of medical knowledge nor psychology. But they claimed they where bewitched or a spell was casts over them. There was a what we call now a doctor send by the landlord that didn’t want the disease spread to his family and that doctor found there was wheat moldy but due the fact the best wheats and grains went to the landlord and the farmers had do with was allowed or kept the miller still milled it they baked bread and that made people go crazy. It subsided afterwards. It has happened later on in history too, it seems when there’s failed crops and as result not enough or even now a days it can happen when wheat or other grain crops are moldy due to wet weather or humidity. It’s rare.
There is mass delusion it's just not seen in this sense, it's more like things like satanic panic or more recently believing in conspiracy theories or flat earthers. In Australia we had a bunch of girls fainting before they got their HPV vaccine, before they got the vaccine and then blaming it on the vaccine. That's mass hysteria. These nurses would never get mass hysteria can you imagine the crazy stuff they have seen. They have seen worse things than the Drs. It just wouldn't happen.
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I remember when it happened and everyone was like meh, that’s women for you. The ones saying it were not amused when I pointed out that there sure were a lot of women in critical positions in hospitals for mass hysteria to be a legitimate answer to something like this. Sounds like men should be the ones being nurses and emptying bedpans. Suddenly women in hospitals are fine.
Ingredients on everything wasn’t a thing yet. It’s very possible that Rosie was using a product that was not sold in stores. Something that women knew about and would bring back from Mexico or could get from a doctor who was making small batches of a 60s DMSO based treatment because it wouldn’t hurt, and there wasn’t a whole lot that could be done for late stage cancer in the 90s.
Rosie’s family wouldn’t know what to look for if someone asked them if she was using DMSO. That garlicky oil she got from her sister’s hairstylist wouldn’t register as something to tell anyone about. Also the family blamed the hospital for her death, so they’re not going to help them pin this on Rosie. I don’t blame them for not cooperating. Look how they treated their own nurses.
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I have so many questions! Did the CDC do a formal search of the residence? Did anyone else in the house get sick? Did they take swabs of the oil or keep any blood drawn? When was the last time testing was done on the tissues?
This story is wild! Thank you for covering this.
I remember hearing about this as a kid and figured that it was just a perfect storm. There’s still so much we don’t know about the human body and with everyone’s body being different, who knows what could have caused everything.
I remember when this happened. I was working at a cancer clinic as part of my high school work program. I always thought it was bad chemo drugs but I like the DSMO theory. It makes sense when you said she was private and not sharing things about it with her family.
I just had orientation for a health organization last week and we talked about chemicals that exposed to oxygen which is pumped into hospitals can become gas and then fire and what to do. I’m going to be just scheduling radiology appointments but you’d be shocked how many hospitals and emergency rooms do not think it’s important to train nurses in things chemists and people in the labs know.
So excited to see you cover this!
Yay! Swoop posted! I've heard about this story! It's crazy!
I remember this! You did an amazing job telling the story! Great research! Praying you are in a peaceful place.
Hi Swoop! This one was crazy! I live near Riverside & had been to the same hospital. That whole hospital is gone!! Wow these poor women!!!
If I remember correctly DMSO also helps carry stuff into the body. We use it for horses a lot and I believe also use it to help absorb into the skin. We normally use gloves but god knows we’re bad about it. DMSO is easy to buy at any feed store too and a staple in our med kits for horses
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This was fun and so intriguing. Always looking for a new swoop video!
Whenever a cause can’t be found they say there’s nothing wrong. Or it’s all in your head.
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As a paramedic, we studied this case. We were told that the combination of the chemo and the meds given by the staff, created a gaseous chemical in her blood, that caused the symptoms that the staff experienced.
Such a very bizarre and baffling case. At every stage I was going "oof" because it really does sound like just the worst case scenario for everyone.
As for the whole "women experience some symptoms that men don't" thing - whilst that can be a thing, and can go the opposite way too, I'm still gonna call bullshit because it sounds like they were just trying to blame the women involved for such a freakish aberration that no one could account for.
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I remember hearing about this and thinking it was wild. I work at a pharmacy and we get prescriptions for topical DSMO but I never knew what it was for. I learned something new today!
I was a lab tech at the University of Cambridge biochemistry department for 4 years. Id done an apprenticeship the first 2 years so one day a week id be at college.
How i was introduced to dmso, it was kept in a lockbox with other highly dangerous chemicals. I was warned even wearing nitrile gloves a spill could penetrate the glove and your skin. I was told that if it does touch your skin it absorbs into the blood so quickly you will have a taste in your mouth. So think of dmso as a catalyst that makes this absorption transference happen, it becomes truly dangerous if mixed with another chemical because of the properties dmso has to penetrate your body
I’m old so I remember this but never knew the details. Great video.
Also the hot spot of a drug trafficking ring that was being run out of the same hospital specializing in methamphetamine. Liquid form being stored in iv bags. Which was never fully investigated after this happened however the sting was carried out shortly after the incident.
I remember hearing about this! They had to empty out the entire ER
this reminds me of the “curse” that an amazionian tribe was afflicted with. It affected mainly women and children; an uncontrollable shake took over their body slowly over a year, then in the last weeks they would laugh till the very end. It was long ago so the first researcher just called it ‘a hysteria of sorts’. Years after 2 more researchers actually actively studied the victims…turns out it was a brain-eating worm that they contracted through ritualistic consumption of the dead. Thankfully the tribe was saved before they were wiped out in this horrific way.
If you respond please be respectful of people’s beliefs and traditions.
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I immediately thought urine in the blood as soon as they said amonia at the beginning. Im not a nurse or a scientist. How could they have no one have thought of this?
12:17 as I lay in bed with my sleep apnea machine on my face. You mention it and I think “I have that”
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Swoop - I had my AirPods in and the opening of this video… that loud SWOSH of air, scared me 🤣
Hope you’re well swoop. If you need a beach to chill on in Maine holler. Sending hugs 🫂
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I have interstitial cystitis and used dmso for treatments... This is so wild. Glad I haven't used it in over a decade.
Wait, didn't a TV show use this as a basis for an episode?? Edit -> had to google it. At least Grey's Anatomy did. But I think there was another.
Yes, a Law & Order episode about a person treating people with cancer with alternative medicine through a type of cyanide. The laetrile/cyanide alternative treatment was really big in the 80s and 90s, especially for breast cancer. Many people have theorized the illness suffered by medical personnel to conversion (what used to be called mass hysteria, which could be unfair but it is still real sickness, its just your brain lying to itself).
I believe X-Files did one?
I regularly use DMSO for work, I can't imagine someone coating themselves in it.
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Wow I never hear about avascular necrosis online…I had it in my hips, ankles, and one shoulder after taking high doses of prednisone after a bone marrow transplant. I had to get both my hips replaced at 17 years old and my ankles and shoulder are basically fused where the bones reset after they hardened again. Pretty wild. Do not recommend. 😮
Opens with Barbara Walters looking like Judge Judy😂
As a nurse this is terrifying!
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I remember when this happened. I’m an RN. This story is crazy❤
That is something the can never explain about Gloria Ramirez
I've seen this case multiple times. My opinion is her body created a chemical imbalance because of her chemo treatment than the staff added more chemicals which made her a physically toxic person. The nurses got sicker because they did more than the male doctors.
Ok literally though “what in the greys anatomy episode is this” absolutely UNHINGED level of crazy. If this didn’t really happen and had proof I’d assume it wasn’t real 😮
I remember this; she was only a couple years older than me. Personal opinion: she couldn't keep affording the chemotherapy and tried other remedies to fight her cancer. Her loved ones wouldn't know because there's nothing they could have done to help on that scale. Besides, it is embarrassing to admit that you can't afford health care (and there were some really wild "natural" remedies being pushed at the time; my mom had us eating apricot pits less than a decade earlier, believing in laetrile. It's a miracle we didn't end up dead with some of this, and none of us even had cancer.) I'm sorry for those who tried to save her life that night, for the health impact they took. I'm sorry for her family, who lost her so young and so publicly. This was a tragic mix of so many things.
I read an article about this incident where the author had a different theory. Riverside county is a hotbed for meth manufacturing, or at least it was in 1994. There were apparently rumors that a chemical used to manufacture meth was commonly used as a cleaning agent at the hospital for sterilizing. The theory is that a worker or workers at the hospital were using IV bags to smuggle the chemical out of the hospital. That night in the ER one of the IV bags containing the chemical was used on this woman. The moment the chemical is exposed to air it causes the exact same symptoms reported by the staff in the ER that day. The article has an explanation for why it wouldn't have shown uo during thr autopsy but I also think a cover up is a plausible reason.
This explanation is also wild (and we will never know what really happened) but I think this version of evenfs slightly less unlikely than the DHMO theory imo.
I have so much sympathy for her family who still have no answers.
Thank you for doing this story, it's very sad of course but very interesting. Ps you look gorgeous
ooh wendigoon covered this story a while back, thanks for making another video on it swoop, its a really interesting true story
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When I saw you released a new video, I literally did a Forest Gump hi wave at my phone 😭😂
Discover magazine fr said “They got the vapors” 😮
Oh the last part pissed me off! 😡
I think it could have been a combination of chemicals that reacted negatively. It makes sense because the smell that came from her body.
So a genuinely possible theory couldn’t have possibly happened just because of how unlikely it would be, but a bunch of women becoming hysteric for no reason is definitely the answer. Gotcha 👍🏻
Yay! does this mean you're feeling better?
I don't think this is the answer and I had to double check, but the symptoms kind of sounds like Lilly of the Valley poisoning. Except for the garlic smell even though it can be confused in LOOKS to wild garlic it doesn't smell like it. Cannot imagine how it would affect others it was just the first thing that popped to mind.
That's definitely the most "polite" way of saying "this is why women shouldn't be in stressful positions and shouldn't work. The forefathers were right. Hysteria." 🙄🙄🙄
Why is swoop saying this story is about “Rosie” when her name is real life was Gloria
I do love a Swoop "fiddle-dee-dee" 😊
If I ever get necrosis of the knee bone and the cause is “hysteria”!!!??????? 😤
Ah yes, the age old "hysteria" diagnosis. Insert all the eye rolls
why was my first response to "name a toxic person" was, with no hesitation, jojo siwa
They wouldn't tell us anyway. I got sick and was throwing up violently even threw up the liquid in my gallbladder that is neon green and I was rushed by ambulance to the hospital. They quicky injected anti nausea meds. Those meds mixed with a prescription I was already taking and it caused a potentially fatal heart defect. It was there mistake they saw what I was on and someone dropped the ball putting in nausea medicine. My mother who was holding my hand in the ER and myself heard them say they screwed up bad muxing the meds together. I was in the Hospital fir a week because they were not sure my heart wouldn't stop. When I was discharged they put "Unknown cause" when in fact is was medical error. So you cant trust doctors and hospitals to not fluck things up big time.
Would have made a case to sue hospital. Did you all think about doing that?
@@ReviewsAndMore9 I did. And to get honest I got the vibe they were not going to make it easy. I also felt like it be our word against professionals. I even mentioned sueing and it felt like no one in my family thought like it was a good idea. They very well could have umalived me. You are right. I should have sued.
Swoop, just wanted to correct you on one thing. Michael Jackson's hometown was Gary, Indiana. Love your videos BTW!
There is a correction in her pinned comments.
RE: Mass Hysteria. It is absolutely a real phenomenon. Have you ever convinced yourself something was wrong to the point you started showing real symptoms? I have, several times. I convinced myself i had symptoms of an extremely rare autoimmune disorder to the point i had full body joint aches at times which is unusual. As soon as my ANA blood test came back negative every symptom basically disappeared. It started because i have a rare blood vessel condition that 9/10 times is associated with an autoimmune disorder.
The above example is a single person's experience, but it goes to show how intelligent the brain is, even when it makes an error. It's not terribly common and it happens to both sexes, but it can absolutely happen! I dont think it's out of the realm of possibility whatsoever.
Not everyone is like that though. People can have unexplainable symptoms and it doesn't mean they're convincing themselves or being delusional about it. Women are always told they are just overreacting or mentally ill. This case is a lot more difficult to narrow down causes. I disagree that mass hysteria was the case here. More likely, something with the "gas" released impacted the people.
Omg I know exactly what that smells like. We had a horse that had to have DMSO treatment and you could smell her all the way across the field a very pungent garlic gag your ass smell!!!! Absolutely awful
The hysteria theory sounds like something Jordan Peterson would come up with.
Either way, it’s at least good to know ONE thing for certain: that theory is definitely not what happened.
DMSO is a lovely medication for persons who need it for bladder indications ie interstitial cystitis. You instil it directly into the bladder through a camera, with a cocktail of other medications, but dear god does it stink to the high heavens. Love a OR/PACU nurse that works with urologists that do therapeutic DMSO instillation.
And if you want a likely explanation of why female staff members had more severe symptoms: women were/are more likely to be nurses, lab techs, respiratory therapists, etc. Basically all the people who have close, prolonged contact with patients and any physical specimens (like blood). So their exposure to whatever made Ms. Hernandez so toxic was greater (in all likelihood.). That’s another obvious ‘duh’ to the dummies who suggested it was all in their little lady heads..
Have you heard of the cult Two-by-two? Let’s do those crazies!!!
Lots of real maladies that we didn't understand, have been labeled as "stress."
so scary. i was diagnosed with OTC deficiency, X linked . all i know or was told by Dr, is 23:20 body produces too much amonia.. everyone produces armonía in their system, mine can just run too high.. ive still yet had any other doctor since the one who found it , know, have know clue nor have ever heard of.. and when they take my blood , they hv to put the one they draw to test for the ammonia levels in ice, the blood that is . id love to lnow what it is snd means.. my mothers tried but too much down rabbit holes . anyone out there in the medical field, have any opinions about what the diagnoses , and what why and how did i get it and what it means. the dr at time i can not find anymore so kinda lost .
Love that top!
Imaging the doctors trying to run around saving her and the things that’s killing her is on her face 😢 ITS NOT YOUR FAULT DOCS 💔❤️🩹❤️
I hope you are healing well and know that we are still sending you all the good juju and love we can. 🫶🏻🥰🤗
Why is a woman’s pain or sickness ALWAYS written off as stress/anxiety! WTactualF!! Silly women, it’s all in your head… 😡
This all happened before the medical community admitted that for >90% of Western medical history, all data was collected from cishet white men, with the exceptions of breast, ovarian, uterine, and cervical cancers and contraceptives. The medical community and industrial complex have a lot of work to do to begin fixing this, but we still have too many with the money to pay for those studies refusing to fix anything.
@@auberginebear….thank you. This just blew my mind and made me feel validated all in one. 🥲
Because the medical community is overwhelmingly misogynistic. Even Men and Women’s pain is treated differently.
I was fuming at that article quote. It does not make any sort of sense medically or scientifically, based on the symptoms of each hospital staff member, and how long they were affected.
Starting to think that myself been in pain foe my shoulder for 3 years and w for abdominal pain. It's fucked I don't know what's wrong.
Hope you’re doing well swoop! Happy to see you back ❤😊
As an ED Trauma Nurse, we deal with highly stressful, traumatic, horrific situations on the daily. There are things I've seen that have actually scarred me. We learn to "shelf" our feelings and move on to the next patient. I find the women falling to "mass hysteria" HIGHLY unlikely. In fact, most of the time, we are accused of not feeling ENOUGH. Something bad enough to knock an ED nurse/doc down is most definitely NOT hysteria. Smh, unreal
That was probably male admins. Because, business men who do t know what you do. Sigh.
My question for you is what percentage of the ED staff are women?
I know that the trauma response team at a local large hospital is one man, and 6 to 8 women.
A friend who was the head of an ICU in the same hospital, once told me he preferred women on his staff because they reacted to emergencies for more efficiently and were better at processing in the aftermath of trauma.
@catm5889 We are a Level 1 trauma center, so we have a large staff. To be honest, I don't know percentages. But, we have both male and female docs and nurses. Although, I'll say the majority of docs are male and the majority of nurses are female. Our techs are split pretty equally.
Just one of myriad reasons the mass hysteria theory is objectively stupid and lazy.
(I'd also like to add as someone who also works in healthcare, the suggestion the hysteria was "perhaps triggered by an odor" made me snort-laugh. A strange odor? In a hospital? Surrounded by sickly human beings? IMAGINE. 😂)
I just have to say that the theory about mass hysteria with women becoming "anxious" in the medical setting is such a load of BS. They tried to push that theory on a family member of mine that officially got diagnosed by a female cardiologist that saw all of the documentation we had from the hospital. NOT ONLY did my family member have tachycardia, but she had 2 infarcts (STROKES) that were in the hospital's medical records. AND YET. And YET the hospital that had those records pushed for her to see a psychiatrist and insisted all the issues she was having was anxiety... which was so incredibly false. The hospital blatantly lied to us about the records and never told us about the recorded strokes, we had to learn that from a specialist. I hate hospitals in America so much.
I will NEVER understand why any woman with ANY kind of symptoms are treated as such. Ultimately it was nerve damage (carpal tunnel, ulna nerve in elbow) and subsequent surgery due to type 1 diabetes complication. When the pain got so bad I thought it was affecting my heart, it was chalked up to anxiety because the ER doc didn't like the medication I was taking AND my Mom was there crying with me. F that a**hat.
How awful. So sorry you and your family had to deal with such shocking treatment.
Good ol' anxiety diagnosis...I remember when a doctor told me I had anxiety and acid reflux...it was heart failure😑
Wtaf!??..disgusting..absolutely terrible,I'm sorry to hear that 4 you all
@@_.-._.-._.-._.-.😮😮😮shocking..that is just shocking..sorry luvx hope ur okay now!!?..
ED worker here: a “sociogenic” illness is now called a Conversion Disorder (CD) Symptoms certainly include abnormal body sensations, loss of coordination and even convulsions. But a CD cannot cause necrosis of bone or respiratory failure or anything else that could EVER lead to an ICU stay. A CD is a CD (and not any other diagnosis) because it’s symptoms STAY neurological and have any effect on the ways we determine someone’s physical health. I can’t believe so-called professional investigators would overlook that basic fact.
Conversion Disorder is now more commonly referred to as Functional Neurological Disorder. I have it and I suffer from tics, migraines, and non-epileptic seizures. From what I heard in the doc I think it’s probably a bit of both. It definitely doesn’t account for the ER stays. But FND is interesting because it’s not just caused by trauma or “hysteria”. Some people get it after getting the flu or an infection. I wouldn’t be surprised if the chemicals caused these episodes of FND until they were fully worked out of the system.
Honestly it was the 90s.... they were telling my mom i was throwing up so much at night at 3 yrs old randomly because of "night terrors" and when it didn't stop into adulthood and the vomiting wouldnt stop with out iv nausea meds and fluids the reasons changed from that to ibs with "anxiety over school/wanting to skip school" to then when school wasnt a problem it changed to "anxiety" and then because they were all ignoring the problem and pain became a symptom it then turned into "drug seeking". It wasnt until 2012 that we went 8hrs away to a specialist that finally was like "uhh youve got SOD and gastroparesis thats probably been there since you were young and now youve got pancreatits involved cause its gone so long undiagnosed.".... sooo i can completely imagine professionals coming up with this back then. 🫠🙃
@@kayleighrowell3218 I have FND too. I think it was _most likely_ caused by my PTSD, but there is definitely no sociogenic element to it. So I'm not sure if there's a medical differentiation between sociogenic types of "conversion disorder" and people who have FND. I am aware that it can have non-psychiatric causes, and I think that's why people have started to move away from calling it conversion disorder, but it's still very poorly understood and usually treated as more of a neuropsychiatric illness (hence why I can't be treated for it bc my insurance sucks at mental health care).
I was diagnosed with it after I had a seizure in the hospital but my EEG was normal the whole time. My body is stuck in "fight-or-flight" mode. I have tics, stuttering, etc. I also have a lot of cardiac symptoms, but it's not always clear if it's the FND or the dysautonomia.
@@bananawitchcraft I agree. I was thinking about certain incidents where people experience FND temporarily. There are reports of people becoming blind or getting seizures after an earthquake and recovering later once they know everything is okay. It’s a weird disorder and hard to diagnose specific causes of it as of now. I was speculating that the chemicals might have triggered something or the stress of the night having lasting effects.
@@kayleighrowell3218 for me it so doesnt add up to be caused by stress because i think a person with cancer getting into ER is a pretty... usual? thing for hospital staff. and it couldn't be that they got stressed because of their coworker fainting because why exactly did this coworker faint when they all got similar symptoms? the theory with this lady getting that substance on herself is way more believable, it'd explain the smell, the particles in her blood, the oily feel of her skin. or idk like her body producing some weird shit, even this would be way more believable than mass hysteria...
I remember this case. It was extremely odd. You did a great job explaining all the avenues. It was a perfect storm it seems…never to happen again. And who gets put in the ICU for 10 days and 2 weeks because of hysteria? Ridiculous. Those women were affected by something.
And people still say "Well, why weren't the doctors affected?? Obviously, it was just Female Hysteria in a High Pressure Situation!" No. Doctors are not in close, consistent contact with patients. Doctors are not collecting the samples. Doctors are not handling, transporting and prepping the patients. Doctors don't have the most and closest contact; Nurses do
I can't remember who else did a video on this that explained the crazy events of how perfectly everything just went wrong cuz the lady consuming that stuff she thought would help get rid of her cancer (I forgot what it was, I haven't watched this video yet) so when they took the defibrillator to her, it caused a chemical reaction with it inside her body and essentially made her a bio weapon. It was wild how everything lined up, I truly doubt it's something that would happen again. At least if it did though, we have something to look at for reference.
@AshChiCupcak Was it Mr.Ballen? I remember the home remedy + defibrillator created a devastating interaction in her body, too.
@@rachegasm Yes! That was it! I watch way too many ppl lol. I honestly think that's the best explanation. Sure sounds better than "Oh, its just silly women being dramatic". I imagine it would be extremely hard to recreate to prove.
Defibrillator would explain why the ambulance staff didn't get sick. Ambulance staff would do venipuncture, give some stabilizing meds, give oxygen. So why weren't they stricken? (No, the answer isn't "because they were men." 😂) Maybe they were affected and I missed it?
Really, any energy-driven diagnostic or treatment could have been the catalyst; or possibly a drug metabolism by-product triggered a reaction: that would have been delayed and could have had its onset in the ER.
This story has always fascinated me
Did anyone ever investigate where she was getting her chemotherapy from? Could she have received something contaminated or deliberately altered, like black market meds? How long was it between her last chemo treatment and her succumbing to her cancer?
Nah in the end she was using a topical cream to help her with pain. The combo of men's, cream and her chemo treatment. This lady became the human embodiment of nerve gas!! This case was soooooooooo wild !!!
@@epictwinkaho1ic828 But as was mentioned---they weren't able to duplicate what happened based on this theory. And when you're approaching something like this scientifically---if you can't duplicate it, the theory is debunked. Her family also says she wasn't using the cream.
@@epictwinkaho1ic828they said it was DMSO cream. I have that cream and use it often and I’ve never had this (obviously bc this case is so bizarre). They said it had to have been copious amounts. The whole thing is just mysterious.
@mhi11 of course they can't duplicate it if they don't have the exact amount of cream used. The dosage of it too. Not to mention the cocktail they administered and the drugs administered in the ambulance. All I know from the story told to me by actual family who were around Is she literally became nerve gas. My uncle was at the hospital and told staff it was nerve gas cause he recognized the affects from war.
It was mentioned that she didn’t have health insurance or a job when she got dx, and back then, anything and everything was a “pre-existing condition” that wouldn’t be covered if you got a job and health insurance after dx.