“dating couples are not permitted to walk around campus after dark without a third person present” damn look at them accepting polyamorous relationships 😩
that's so sweet, my partner could not care less about any celebrity drama so it's always just me being that intense...at someone pretending to listen (but failing miserably )
I was a PCC student in 2008, so some rules may have changed. No collarbones showing. No wet hair. No touching the opposite sex (unless related) Skirts below the knee ( also no denim skirts) Pantyhose required for chapel ( had just changed from during all classes) Three girls had to sign out together to leave campus. And an RA was required to go to the beach with a group of 5 girls minimum. I had 4 roommates and 4 suitemates ( two sinks, one shower and one toilet) The water park was just opening when I was expelled. I got really good at ice skating, though. I have several family members that have also attended and the cousin I was at school with is now the men's basketball coach. I pride myself in being the only member of my family to have never gotten a single demerit! I was drugged and raped by a classmate while travelling back to school after Christmas break. It took me two weeks to be able to put the pieces together of what happened. I was sitting in class one day and the RA called my name to go to the office. The bastard realized I was starting to figure out what happened and reported me for slander. After two days of grueling interrogation from the administration ( not allowed to speak to anyone, shadowed to the bathroom phone confiscated during bathroom trips, eating alone with a self important RA staring at me). I was given the option to plead my case to the board, which I took only to find that they would seat me facing my attacker and allow him to appeal and retort everything. When I was expelled ( he was suspended) I was told I had 24 hours to get off campus and was not to talk to anyone. So as I silently sobbed and packed my room that night my roommates were asking me what was wrong and I could not say anything ( ever present RA to ensure silence). The first phone call I received was my Stepmother to say I was a MF hussy and not welcome in her home or around her children ( whom I had practically raised). Turns out the school had called my parents to tell them I lied about the whole thing, because I was not hysterical enough for it to have been real. Oh and I was 20 years old at this point. I met my husband that summer and have done a lot of intense healing since. But PCC nearly broke me and I will likely never visit the state of Florida again.
That is fked. I am so sorry you experienced that. Thank you for sharing your story 💚 this is exactly why we need to scrutinize the hell out of these people
Things haven't changed much at PCC. My daughter went there and unwillingly acquired a stalker student. She went to the faculty and reported the issue. Guess what they did? Yup, you guessed correctly! They blamed her! Said she shouldn't have shown any interest in him whatsoever to begin with. She got PTSD over the whole thing. Not just because of the stalker, but the alleged Christians who victim-blamed her. EDITED TO ADD THIS: My daughter went to PCC several years after you.
As someone whose parents insisted that I applied to ORU- ohh boooy- I went to their terrible "admitted students' day" and it was one of the most suffocating experiences of my life. They gathered all of us in a room and made us write essays about biblical topics (which we didn't know about prior). After an hour and half of sweaty writing we were then paired off with a councilor of the same gender to assess our "character" to see if we were deserving of financial support. I had a 4.0 from a local junior college (that was accredited/recognized by all the uni's in my state), a long list of volunteerism, and an had internship at local museum. All of this was ignored and instead my councilor decided that she would talk with me about my "godly character" and about how one shouldn't be consumed with pride about ones achievements. After this we proceeded (still divided by gender) to go talk with current students over lunch. The current girl students spent the entire time talking about whom they liked and who was courting who and had no actual knowledge about any of the programs there. Following this, we were taken back to a dorm where it was emphasized how all the girls had "curfews" and that they weren't like "public" universities that allow coed dorms, guys visiting the girls dorms, and other such nonsense. There was a lot of other useless slut-shaming and modesty propaganda but that is to be expected. The frosting on the cake was after they had reviewed my "character" they decided to not offer me any financial support because I had not exhibited enough volunteerism at my church (which is ridiculous- I even sang in the choir), and because I had attended a non-christian university prior to applying (i guess that's a sin). On top of this, they refused to accept almost any of my credits, effectively trying to make me start my education over again "because we don't know how it was taught to you." And the schedule list they sent me contained three bible courses, one basic math course, and an elective. I obv. rescinded their offer and went practically full ride to different public university. When they received my declination they sent a HANDWRITTEN CARD to my house that told me in the most condescending cursive ever that they were "sorry that I didn't understand the mission of the university and that they were only trying to show me the right path but that they understood the right path isn't for everyone." TL/DR: ORU is comprised of self-righteous morally-elitist educationally backwards idiots
"the right path isn't for everyone?" Sheesh. By definition, "right" would mean it's best for everyone. Those condescending jerks. I'm sorry that happened to you.
Ugh… reading all this makes me nauseous. I feel happy to have broken away from that world of delusions, anti-science, condescending ineptitude and phony kindness. Good for you for dodging that bullet. Eff them.
I went to Oral Roberts University and boy howdy do I have some stories. Buckle up. 1) One of my favorite professors got fired for drinking alcohol in a restaurant in another state on vacation (I heard that someone saw him and snitched?) 2) My hip-hop dance teacher sat us all down and spent an entire class period lecturing us on how if we loved God we would be rich already, and healthy too. Then he came into class a couple weeks later with a cane - he’d gotten injured. He spent the rest of the semester periodically throwing the cane down and trying to worship the injury away. 3) Every semester there’s a mandatory “revival,” which means classes are cancelled so everyone can go to a bunch of church services. It’s not unusual for there to be signs in the door at Fall Revival/ whatever they call the spring one (I forget) that warn people not to come in if they experience light-induced seizures… because that’s how wild the “worship” is. 4) Massive pressure (in my personal opinion) to go on school-led and sponsored mission trips. I’d estimate that about half of all students participate in these. There’s a huge push (in my personal opinion) to go on these trips. In my experience, no matter what your reason for not going, it’s not good enough for a lot of the people who question you on it. Students who are already in debt are spending months fundraising so they can go on these trips, often during spring break or other times that you’d typically need to rest. 5) Accessibility is abysmal. Students I know who use wheelchairs have to go to other buildings to use the restroom, in the rain, with massive puddles on the sidewalk that are deep enough to splash the inner workings of electric wheelchairs and potentially damage them. Sidewalks were cracked and crumbling to the point of being dangerous to disabled students. Automatic doors were very often broken. The only way for a wheelchair to enter the cafeteria was through the tiny rickety elevator they use to bring up supplies and food shipments, and opens into the kitchens. This is barely scratching the surface - I have SO MANY STORIES on inaccessibility in this school. 6) During church services, revival and otherwise (There are mandatory church services twice a week. They take attendance.) there would sometimes be a whole cluster of disabled students in the lobby - one woman with asthma using her inhaler because all the smoke from the fog machines, the blind woman trying to avoid damaging her hearing because it was so loud, one woman with joint issues in serious pain because the bass was shaking her bones, me (I’m autistic) having a meltdown and literally crying on the floor from the overwhelming noise and lights, and often others, but I don’t remember all of them off the top of my head. We eventually got official permission to be allowed to sit in the lobby, so we wouldn’t risk getting in trouble for not being in the auditorium. 7) Every single PE class requires students to weigh themselves during class and turn in their BMI to the teacher. (As far as I remember it at least.) 8) Students are required to take a PE class something like 6 times (maybe 8, I forget). The school has a philosophy of “Whole Person Education” which the school claims is to make well-rounded students, but in my personal opinion is better described as a constant institutional pressure to be good at every. single. thing. 9) Every Monday night at 11 pm there’s a mandatory meeting for every floor. Doesn’t matter if you need to be up early - and these meetings often go until midnight or later. 10) Homophobia. I don’t have a lot of distinct stories about it, but it’s definitely prevalent, and every student has to sign a document during a church service at the beginning of each year promising not to do gay stuff (and so many other things). There is so much more but if I keep going then no one is going to bother reading this comments. Jen, please reach out to me if you’d like more. I promise you there’s plenty info for a video (secret tunnels, unfinished theater that they never added the roof to because Oral Roberts thought it looked cool unfinished, healing services, and way more). I’m a professional content creator (Instagram and TikTok primarily) and I would gladly collaborate with you in any way you would find useful. I just want other people to not have to go through what my friends and I went through. *Some parts of this school are cool. Some people at the school are amazing. I’m not against everyone there, I’m against policies and practices that lead to people getting hurt.
I feel number 6 HARD. I grew up going to churches whose worship was so loud that I had to sit outside during it. I'm not blind, but I have poor vision and unusually sensitive hearing, and the volume levels were physically painful, often nauseating. I would sit outside the auditorium during any kind of musical performance and go in for the sermon, but I still got constant shit from people for 1) sitting out "worship time" and 2) sitting in the back pew during the sermon "like you're hiding from God". (Actually, I just wanted to minimize disruption when I came in late, and it's not like I could see the pulpit well anyway.)
I read this whole comment before I read who posted it, and then just about gasped. I *love* your videos! They help me so much 💝 And I’m so sorry that y’all went through all that ❤️🩹
I work in the admissions department of a university, talking to and assisting prospective students. One day, when I was still fairly new to the job, I spoke with a student who was looking to transfer out of Liberty University. When I asked why he wanted to transfer, he sighed and told me, "I'm tired of answering questions with answers I know are wrong." This pops into my head whenever I speak with anyone from that school, it still troubles me so much.
I went to this so call liberal university. They also did not like it when I disagreed with them. Going so far as having a teacher tell me that I did not understand the book we were reading cause I disappeared with the book. And she failed me on the assignment cause I obviously didn’t understand it. So lame, I left that school as I was not going to learn anything there, there were other reasons, but this being the worst example.
I just wanted to say that congratulations Kansas on protecting the right to choose on Tuesday. This is not just a win for the state but for the Midwest and South. 🍾
I know right! I live in Arkansas and I have been devastated since roe v wade overturned. When I saw what kansas did it really lifted my spirits. I don't know if arkansas will pull through but it gave me hope!
Tbh I don’t feel that bad for the students attending. When you apply to schools you research them. They still went after seeing what the school was about.
Uhuh, and after admitting that white students are allowed to date white students but black students aren't. My dude, treating students differently based on race is *exactly* what you are doing
most of them are forced to pick between these very schools. i watched dozens of people in my fundie baptist church have to choose and go off to either BJU or PCC.
ABeka is named after Beka Horton and the only reason they put the letter "A" in front is so that it would come up first in alphabetized searches. I used to work in the ABeka sweatshop and we learned that first day of training lol
I love when they claim themselves "the party of Lincoln". Lincoln was a northern liberal. If he were alive today they'd call him an "SJW cuck libtard Marxist pinko commie feminist who's destroying WeStErN CiViLiZaTiOn'S JuDeO-cHRiStIaN vAlUeS!!1!!!"
“We need the statues to remember our history” meanwhile they seem to want the history of slavery to be watered down or not taught at all, so which is it? Lol. My mom even said something about how the statues were history and seemed stumped when I asked why we couldn’t just read a history book then? Fox News gets boomers worked up over nothing daily.
Yes! Jerry Falwell's wife, Becky, also did this to at least one male - there was an article about it a couple years ago when all that stuff was in the media involving the pool boy. She got one of her son's teenage or early 20's bandmates drunk, convinced him to spend the night in their guest room, and then sexually assaulted him. He gave an interview with the reporter who told his story. Keep in mind, these are also kids who are taught that sex outside of marriage is a major sin, so, this was likely part of the reason they didn't report/come forward. Also, society and law enforcement makes jokes about female perps/rarely processes these cases, which also contributes to a lack of reporting, like you were saying.
We also don’t take male perpetrators seriously. Look at all the comments talking about being at PCC and other colleges and being a rape or SA survivor… these people shout “save the children” and talk about virginity and don’t to shit to help victims… and both men and women assault the students… such a good representation of Christians
None. I have had so much trouble finding work. I went to a Christian college. All my classmates have gone back to school or chosen another career because our school did not prepare us for our field. They didn’t even tell us that our state was the worst state for our field and that all work is based on Gig work (something I think is important to know). I didn’t even know how to use basic equipment until I got my first temp. job and my boss taught me. I have a mentorship with someone who hasn’t gone to school but is successful and trusted in the field. I have learned more from him and the internet than my time at my college. Research the colleges you go to. My college has gotten sued multiple times by people in my field for their inability to get a job after graduating (and won! Do you know how hard it is to win against a billion dollar private college)?
@@dominicfucinari1942 I have a friend from high school who went there who went for Computer Engineering and he actually found a great job as an engineer. He's an extremely conservative Christian, but he's not definitely not an unintelligent person.
As someone who used the ABeka curriculum until 10th grade, it doesn’t surprise me that they have such a problem with sexual violence on the PCC campus. I remember reading the “rules for Godly dating” in my bible curriculum, and one of the ones for girls was to not wear suggestive clothing, as it might lead to date-rape. That was the moment I realized that i needed to get out of that environment and start deconstructing.
Oh my GOD. Another Abeka person. I was hoping I’d find someone on here. I literally have the same story-Abeka til the tenth grade, then a switch to a super chill, normal school. I went from really struggling behaviourally, and academically, to basically straight A’s and cherished by the teachers. Guess who *wasn’t* actually the problem…
Another Abeka survivor here... thankfully, I only had to deal with it in some classes. Unsurprisingly, the classes I loved were not subject to that curriculum and I hated the classes that were.
There’s more of us! Eek! I was homeschooled using abeka until 8th grade when I was then enrolled into a fundie school that used -you guessed it- abeka. K-12 kid here. I thankfully managed to succeed in college/grad school even if I still don’t have a great grasp on evolution lol
I went to college in Virginia and Liberty College always hosted a really crazy haunted house that was surprisingly good, but at the end they would sit you down in a room and give you a speech along the lines of “Was that scary?? Well that’s what Hell is going to be like so you should turn to Christ. The scariest part of the whole thing 😂
I feel that people with religious trauma & neurodivergent people can commiserate over the fact that we were both educationally neglected in our childhoods. We gotta start a club or something.
🤣🤣 ya hey. Never thought about it that way. I was able to make up my education in high school as a neurodivergence. There are missing pieces like spelling. Math science easly made up for though for me.
@@kaylacabrera1454 Here, Here!! I’m Autistic and have ADHD and went to my church’s small school and stopped my indoctrination by going to community college and later on to a state school. I’m still in the process of learning a lot about science, evolution and (accurate) history to this day…
Meanwhile as a college student, I once went to church while high on... "jazz cabbage". God spoke to me there; He told me "I am a comedian, and I am telling you this, because nobody will believe you if you told this to anyone else. Tell this to an animal, and I shall make one of them laugh for you."
I go to Liberty University. When I started I was a Sunday School Teacher, Youth Leader, and went to church at least 5 times a week. I was raised in a fundamentalist cult-- so conservative that Liberty was seen as "progressive" to them. All I knew was what I had been raised with and I was crazy passionate about it. Now, 4 years later, I am still very into spirituality but Agnostic and I have finally come out as bisexual/pansexual and finally starting to actually live instead of just being half-alive. Thank you, Liberty.
My ex-friend used to go and said wild things like you weren't allowed to wear pajamas to class , they'd check the length of your shorts, and you CANNOT engage in gay behavior.
My best friend homeschools her daughter and has a fucking hell of a time finding programs that don't involve religion. She also found out that if you tell the school district you are homeschooling because of religious reasons, school districts actually ask for less information on what you're teaching. It's sketch as hell. Her daughter is super smart though and is thriving in home schooling. It would just be nice if there were more secular home school programs. So much of it is tainted with right wing Christian values.
I'm not sure how accessible these resources might be, but I'd like to reccomend IXL online and Kahn Academy online. Both are resources I've seen used in public schools, so no religious tinge. When I homeschooled I took a foreign language class through Aventa/K-12 I believe it was called. I would also reccomend Oak Meadow, which I used for high school. It's based out of VT (my home state) and it accredited, non religious, and has curriculum for K-12 grade with distance teachers to check the work. Oak Meadow was honestly probably the best education I got out of all of my various homeschool endeavors, but it definitely would have benefited me more if I'd had it earlier in my education because while it's a fantastic education option, it isn't great at helping students play catch up.
my childhood best friend’s mom teaches a secular homeschool science class and the amount of nonsense she deals with is insane. not even christian stuff necessarily just kids that don’t appear to be told to actually complete any assignments??? homeschool system is an absolute MESS. i do wonder if anyone has ever challenged my friend’s mom on some religious ground bc she goes to catholic church every sunday lol. she’s just crazy enough to thoroughly separate her bible study classes from her science classes.. i second the person who recommended khan academy and similar sites for your friend’s kid. i was homeschooled a bit in high school and those were pretty helpful resources, although i imagine she’s also looking for in-person learning which was rough enough to find in pre-pandemic boston so… good luck to her. i have also seen parent groups of people that kind of banded together due to the lack of secular homeschooling and they establish their own classes teaching what they’re good at or hiring a willing friend
I was raised in this environment, I know what that feels like to come from that. It’s hard to unlearn it all…I’m glad to hear she’s thriving through it ! If my older brother hadn’t been around idk where I’d be
I was homeschooled through high school, I would say it’s 50/50 when it comes to the number of people homeschooling to indoctrinate their kids vs sane normal people. The thing is, it really depends on your state and your city. In California you can sign up with a charter program where you get an allotted amount of funds every year to use for classes and resources, whereas you’re on your own in Texas (two states I lived in). In Los Angeles, I was part of a homeschool group that was very liberal, the kids/parents were all in the industry somehow, and had teachers who were educated, versus in Orange County, California everyone was a crazy racist conspiracy theorist. It also differed in Texas but still very much leaning towards the right, but I was in a program that needed to stay neutral since there were people of different faiths. But then I was in another group where we used Abeka and I had a science teacher who was a pastor who denied evolution and was pressed on it lol. As for learning resources, I took some courses from edX and Coursera when I was in high school living in Texas which is cool because I don’t have a high school diploma but I have like three certificates lol. I would honestly say don’t put your kid through that in high school because it’s been a source of resentment for me, especially seeing my younger siblings who had their high school experience that I never got to have.
I worked at Greenville Memorial Hospital for 5 years. We had BJU nursing students come to our unit. I will say it was hilarious to watch their faces when they are taken out of their bubble and placed in the real world of healthcare. I’m sure they were somewhat scarred.
So, my last name is Horton, and I have fundie cousins who go to PCC-how did I not know my own family founded it?! What?! UPDATE: Arlin is my grandfather's cousin. Part of the reason we don't see that side of the family ever is because of how fundamentalist they are. I'm floored.
I went to Bob Jones University's sister school - North Greenville University. It was hell. BJU is near where I currently live and everything you hear about that place is 100% true. At NGU I was harassed and physically assaulted by a teacher and was told *"Well, it wasn't sexual assault, so there's nothing we can do."* This woman shoved me by putting her hands on my chest, in public and in front of my entire class. Christian schools are the literal worst. 🙄
Oh dang. I was in student leadership at my Christian school and they talked a lot about reporting sexual harassment/assault with us, but when I asked the dean of students about what I could do about other abuse that I was experiencing I got an "I'm sorry you're dealing with that."
@@captquesadilla Yep definitely. I was 2013 - 2016. Only good thing that came out of it was finding my fiancée who ended up leaving the church with me.
I lived in TR and went to Anderson for one semester. It fucking sucked. I eventually transferred to Belmont Abbey and Catholic school was WAY more chill 😆
I went to “normal” schools, I’m still awful at maths and telling the time too, and I’m 40, so don’t feel too bad . But hey that’s what digital clocks and calculators are for!!😀
I used abeka too . I think the English was great. I felt very prepared to write and communicate, but the math was extremely difficult and not digestible at all .
@@TheNewWifeLife yep!! my reading and writing skills were always far beyond other kids but i am completely math illiterate. my teachers said i basically had no foundations for math when i went to a public high school.
I was also homeschooled poorly. Recently I tried using some online math resources and discovered I'm not even bad at it, in my case it's actually trauma! I've even been enjoying it lately, something like 20 years after "graduating" high school. However, if I ask someone for help, I freak out. Even if I watch a video on UA-cam there's a chance I could interpret the teacher as being condescending and it just shuts my brain off. I'm going to go back to school soon (I had a back injury and have to change careers) and I'm a little scared I might freak out in a math class, but I'm working on it. I cut off my parents so I think I'll be able to focus better since I won't be constantly berated. I get more mad at them the more I realize how bad they messed me up, but I have a good family and a good therapist so I'm doing alright. What a realization though, like oh I'm not bad at this, not lazy, not trying to be difficult. Just was taught by people who had no business teaching because they didn't have time, energy, or enough education themselves.
I went to a national wrestling tourney and BYU was there. They had the women and men championship competing at the same time. The BYU wrestlers' wives gasped at the women wrestlers, and wondered who would ever want to marry a lady who wrestled. Me and a couple other girl wrestlers were literally right there across the aisle within earshot and full view. They knew we could hear
It’s wonderful that you brought the idea of female wrestling to these naïve, sheltered students. You broadened their paradigm. That they were compelled to speak rudely about it indicates it really got into their minds. Well done!
I did a speech and debate tournament there about feminism. Their boys laughed condescendingly in the middle of my speech. I cannot stand how self righteous and how much better than everyone else they think they are.
I was homeschooled and a lot of the more academic kids I knew went to Patrick Henry for college. It was considered this big pride thing for the parents, as the idea was you'd go there for politics so you could spread Christain conservative values. I think it shows how even tho the group I was apart of wasn't super fundamental, the deep seeded idea of the Christian right and changing the country was very present. Too bad for our parents that instead of being political soldiers for christ most of us turned out gay lol
My friend's grandfather actually founded the place, and his family's known for having like... generations of homeschooled kids, including my friend and her siblings. I never really made the connection between homeschool and Pstrick Henry until she told me, but I guess it makes sense lol
Patrick Henry was definitely lauded in my homeschool group. I went to a state school, but ended up competing against PH in undergraduate moot court competitions. All I remember is the girl on the PH team opposing mine was really pretty and super nice lol.
I graduated from PCA and PCC, worked at Abeka and now go to therapy once a week to unpack all of it lol Fun fact! They named it A Beka not just after Bekah Horton, but because it would be one of the first companies in the phone book alphabetically.
I went to Liberty and graduated in 1997. At the time when I was a junior they told us they may not have been accredited! Thankfully they resolved it. Prior to this I always went to public schools. I have not steered my kids to go to Christian private schools because of this experience. They were very strict. For me at the time I needed some structure. I didn’t hate my experience but I made a decision after spending so much money not to go to a Christian school again.
A couple things (from a BJU (lol) grad): 1) The school actually fired GRACE halfway through their investigation, then rehired then after significant backlash 2) their art museum is the only saving grace 3) I regret going there every. Damn. Day.
I was homeschooled with Abeka! I was also very lonely and depressed at the time, because I had no friends. I also didn't learn about evolution until college. I'm getting a PhD now so at least I turned out ok lol
Congratulations! I'm so proud of you for coming so far! As someone who suffers from depression, this is such an achievement that I hope to come close to one day!
I remember finding out I was related to Oral Roberts and wondering if I could get a scholarship for that as a joke. Years later I learned more about him and that part of my family, and felt nothing but shame and anger. It's fucking wild to be raised pagan by my parents only to learn I am related to a famous televangelist, that's why I'm living my best gay trans pagan life to spite the bastards
Ever since the Lawson Bates debacle, I feel so much appreciation for the effort that James and Jen put into this channel and this community. Particularly as someone who’s hard of hearing, I really value the things that make engaging in their content more accessible. The fact that there’s accurate subtitles immediately means I can watch and engage at the same time as everyone else lol Aside from that, as a queer person, I feel there’s such a cultivated sense of acceptance towards all types of people here. I am so grateful for how accommodating the language/actions/behavior of the community on this channel is towards the broad spectrum of people that may find themselves here :) peace and love on planat earthh
im also hard of hearing and really appreciate the subtitles! its crazy how many things (not just youtube videos) have inaccurate or completely unreadable subtitles
I have trouble differentiating different sounds so I rely on subtitles often and I can fully agree that they’re often incorrect…. I also love that they don’t intersperse their clips with music either, it just makes everything so much clearer for me
@@gigilulu86him and his family copyright claimed every single thing from her Bates episode and nearly got the channel shut down. No doubt because they were mad that the clips put on Fundie Fridays got more views that from their sites😂😂😂
There is never an excuse for racism. However, I would say students who were unable to attend BJU on racial grounds, dodged a bullet. This guy is revolting. Pleased I didn't have to interview him. Larry King did a great job at not strangling him.
If I remember correctly, Bob Jones was part of the Old Independent Fundamentalist Baptists, the same movement Jack Hyles of Indiana was from. Hyles had a Mussolini-style mannerism in how he ran his ministry, and a squad of goons to commit mafia-like intimidation tactics.
Hi, don't know if you'll see this, but I'm so grateful for everything you two do. Thank you also for your supportive comment a while back on my To Train Up A Child video...I have taken a break for my mental health, but your consistent presence here has helped me more than I can put into words. Your channel is a big part of what has helped motivate me to heal myself, and prepare to tell more of my own story. Anyways, y'all rock
I went to a Christian Bible College my freshman year of college (I am now a 5th year senior at a public university). My experience there was so horrible that I entered the worst depression of my entire life, even though I had dealt with extreme depression before. At the end of the day, I have always been surprised that i was able to get out of that college alive. I am not even over exaggerating. I don't like to talk about my time there much, because it was so traumatic for me, but whenever I discuss the rules with people who have never heard of how strict and overwhelming these colleges can be, I always get a baffled response, and I thought I would share some of them here. Upon enrolling, each student must sign a contract which states verbatim that we will not have sexual encounters, that we will not drink any alcohol on or off campus, that we will not do any drugs on or off campus, that we will not vape or smoke on or off campus, and that we face expulsion if we are caught doing any of those things. I was an eighteen year old with a serious boyfriend (who is now my husband). Because the pressure of purity was so intense on students, most students ended up getting married within a few months of meeting a member of the opposite sex. This was because they wanted to have sex, but also because getting married was the only way that one could move off of campus, and the most recent dorms had been built in the 1970s, and had never been updated. (Interesting place to note that the school also had one single handicap-accessible building and it was neither a dorm nor the cafeteria which was the only source of food because it was in a tiny town of a little over 1,000 people and there was literally no grocery stores and just a singular subway to eat at besides the college cafeteria). Each dorm was gender specific, and each had their own visiting hours. In my womans dorm, men could visit between the hours of 2-11 pm and if they were in your room you MUST keep a shoe in the door so that it is not closed. My husband would come visit me and be forced to sleep in his car because I had no money for a hotel room the next town over and because I could get kicked out if it was discovered that he had spent the night in my dorm, even though we were not sexually active at the time. Further, 16 chapel times were required each semester (and our preacher got fired for being racist in one of his sermons, only after protests rose from students of color). If someone got pregnant out of wedlock, they were kicked out. If someone came out as LGBTQ+, they were kicked out. If someone celebrated their 21st birthday by having a margarita at a restaraunt and the school found out about it, they were kicked out. We weren't allowed to watch anything R-rated, even in our own dorm rooms, and getting caught doing so would be a fine or worse. It was not a college. It was a prison. And it was terrible. I don't miss it even for a second. It has the lowest student retention rate of any school in Kansas, with only 42% of students staying between their freshman and sophomore years. I know two people who graduated instead of either transferring or dropping out of school completely. It was a hellhole, literally, where they liked to pretend they were morally righteous, though they lied to get you there, stole your money, and generally worked to make you feel like the worst sinner on Earth and that you were doomed to Hell because you could never do anything correctly. Escaping that place saved my life.
What stuns me is none of the behaviors you mention are Biblically acceptable anyway. So, why would a true Christian who has repented and turned to Christ want to return to such behaviors? Christian schools should ask each potential student if they truly believe in wanting to follow Jesus and live a life sin-free as much as possible to honor Christ. Seems a lot of people just want to follow their old nature and continue in their own hedonistic practices which Jesus condemned. He said, "Go and sin no more."
I'm late to the party here, but the "jeans that went down to your vulva" comment made me do a spit take with my tea. I laughed the entire time I was cleaning off my screen. I love this channel & your humor so much.
One of my close ex-friends went to Liberty. One of the vividest memories I have of her family is me chilling with her in the basement of her house while her mom threw a tantrum upstairs because California legalized queer marriage.
I’m from Pensacola. I went to PCA for a year. It was honestly traumatic. You have to sign these contracts saying you won’t dance, wear pants, listen to secular music etc even when you’re at home. When I was 4 I was sent home because my skirt had a tiny slit in the side. Also everyone in Pensacola hates the PCC students because they stand on the corners & yell scripture at people. It’s basically a cult.
i did the PCA homeschool program for my whole life, kindergarten to 12th grade and i can tell how strict they were 🙃 i am so glad my parents didn’t make me go to PCC when i graduated.
I’m a third generation former BJU student. The stories I could tell… I’ve been WAITING for this one. I know Erin and have heard so many stories. Incredibly traumatizing.
I love that you're highlighting Ellie and Ex-Fundie Diaries. Her channel is so refreshing to me. I didn't grow up in a fundie household, but I did grow up in a house where both of my parents worked nightshift. The people who watched me while my parents were at work were fundies. I got a glancing blow of fundamentalism with a side of AWANA. Ellie talks a lot about the deprivation and isolation that I experienced staying with my neighbors. I don't miss those neighbors. One of their girls got married, had a quiverful of kids, and moved to Arizona so her husband could work for a mercenary group that patrols the US border.
I just know those parents that homeschooled to "show their kids the world" think that boating around Florida, going to Disney World, and vacationing at Myrtle Beach is soooo enriching and a chance for them to experience the world lmfao
Actually as someone who was homeschooled (albeit very good academically that we both have graduate degrees from state universities), yea Disney movies weren’t allowed at home 😂
If only I was boating around and going to Disney World. My homeschool life involved having mennonite curriculum shoved in front of me every day then left to my own devices for hours, and taking care of starving goats which my dad could not afford to feed nor be assed to care about the health of anyway.
We occasionally got students from Liberty competing in events at my college when they decided to mingle with us heathens, and a lot of them are so poorly equipped to interact with anything involving the secular world that you really can't help but feel kind of bad for them. I feel like it's not widely addressed how severely growing up in these conservative/evangelical communities can stunt your social development and skills.
Yeah it’s fucking rough, I grew up super conservative and was homeschooled until I was a junior in high school. I took some classes at a community college and figured out how behind I was at life. I ran off to the army and holy shit the culture shock was real, but it was the best thing I could have done
I met a lot of Liberty students volunteering cause I live in the same city as the school and you're right. There is something just kinda off about them, at least the most fanatic of them, and I can't put my finger on exactly what
@@maristiller4033 it was the same when I took a tour of a Christian college with my youth group, idk what it was but they were just not all there somehow if that makes sense
@@annikkirahko6714 Yeah I remember a couple of them being shocked I wasn't going to Liberty for college. I was like lol lmao naw I gotta get out of here
Then children and teens should be taken out of these evangelical movements' custody. Parent sovereignty is not an excuse to deliberately stunt their development for such malicious ends.
Crown College staff: We want to represent ALL of history. Me: Does that include perspectives from people of color? Crown College: No, not that. I didn't say ALL of history.
When that president was talking about representing history, I was thinking that following that thought, Germany should display Hitler statues and other Nazi memorials as that's part of their history too.
I just read that during the American Revolution Washington's troops tore down a statue of George III in New York during a riot, does he intend to put something like that in his college too?
@@susanbowman2731 I think the crazy thing is that Germany constantly apologizes for the atrocities they committed. Their museums give the message “never again.” America, on the other hand, glorifies the confederacy and the “Southern way of life.”
@@laurenconrad1799 Oh, Germany never paid close to a damn enough. They have their constant apologia, "muh Wehrmacht dindu nuffin" and covered for the majority of Nazis (as they were all running the FRG) but they're still better than America in a bunch of ways.
My parents retired in Pensacola after I graduated high school. I’ve only met one PCC student, but he told me the students there call it “Pensacola Concentration Camp”
My sister attended Pensacola Christian College in 1996. she was almost expelled from the school and chose to leave on her own after She and a few friends were caught going to a movie. they did finish out the semester. My sister had to change dorm rooms because she could no longer room with my best friend and they weren’t even allowed to speak to each other for the rest of the semester one day in church. They ended up accidentally sitting in the same row on opposite ends, and they got called into the office and we’re scolded and accused of doing it on purpose
I'm still tripping over my brain about the man from the Clown College saying that we need to teach all sides of history, including the dark and insidious bits of white heroes and culture and then turn around and say no, we can't teach about slavery and racism in America and CRT is the worst possible thing. I...its the same thing. Its the same picture, Creed. I'm just...absolutely baffled.
I just wondered this VERY TOPIC, SAME THOUGHT!! Don't want one trickle of White history to get lost but SCREW anybody else's history. Don't want it. It's insane the mental gymnastics going into this....unless it's evil though. That takes no effort for these POSs.
@@soothingmusic4256the slave rollercoaster was a roller coaster the slaves could ride that was made entirely out of slaves. it was significantly slower than the one the slave master would ride, and tracks intermingled.
I'm so glad you started by going over accreditation. I think it is something that a lot of people don't know about. I talk to a lot of exFundies and it is always so fucked up how many of them have useless degrees from Fundie schools. It is just another way to keep Fundies in Fundie circles because only a Fundie will recognize their degree.
As an indigenous woman all I can think when I see these "schools" is big colonizer energy🤢🤮 The Jerry Falwell Jr scandal was pretty hilarious not gonna lie...I love seeing judgemental hypocrites taken down by their own actions🤣
That's a fascinating perspective. I never quite thought of it that way. Bob Jones Homesat teachers used to brag about how many people were watching their classes. They used to tell the lucky students who could call in to be careful what they said because "unsaved people might be listening". I wanted to tell them to quit asking such dumb questions (deliberately wasting class time), so that maybe my Algebra teacher could get around to explaining the new material 🙄
As someone who went to PCC (and dropped out lmao) the big three reasons people went were definitely the fact that it was cheap, the lie that it’s accredited, and yes the facilities… ie. water slides, dining halls, bla bla bla lol. As someone who was told “pick a Christian college, it seemed like the best option. I do appreciate this video, because my sister is going to college soon, and she is being pressured to go to a Christian college as well. I used to tell her “I hated it but it wasn’t that bad for an accredited Christian school if that’s what you’re looking for” knowing the fact they’re not required to report and they’re not really accredited is an eye opener. So thank you for this video. The hypocrisy in these institutions is so evident with the blatant lies and hiding abuse all while preaching “the gospel” it’s so sad to know that for so many people this is their best option, and even sadder many people have no option at all.
Thank you so much for speaking out about these schools. I went to BJU for 1 year and came within seconds of commiting suicide. Thankfully my roommate walked in and didn't see the handful of pills in my hand or at least didn't say anything if she had seen them. I realized halfway through the year that I was definitely bisexual and probably an Atheist. I saw girls kicked out of there with no money or transportation. Thankfully there are kind members in the Greenville area that are willing to help if you get kicked out, but obviously that could become a very dangerous situation if you trust the wrong person. I still have nightmares almost 20 years later about the things that happened to me and others during that year.
@@pickledragonrebel Other than the nightmares I'm doing a lot better now and have been able to help others escape the cult like churches that feed BJU. It feels so good to know that these kids won't have to go through the stuff that I did.
I went to school just down the road from good ol' BJU at Furman University (hilariously, FU). At the time, BJU had a huge Spanish art exhibit at the Museum & Gallery on their campus. My friend and I learned that we could get extra credit in our Spanish Lit class for heading over and writing a short recap of the exhibit. Though both straight, we decided to go together in shorts and tank tops and hold hands the entire time. No one approached us, but we sure got a lot of looks and disapproving head shakes. It was 2001 and we didn't care. Screw them and their judgemental BS.
I graduated from Furman in 2019. Proud to say that y’all’s story lives on and the tradition continues (when their art galleries are open that is, they were closed for renovations for a while).
A few months after I got kicked out of a northern Bible college with the same rules as BJU, I witnessed two guys skipping across the bridge over the local community college's pond, holding hands and singing. To this day, I have no idea if they were gay or straight. I just know it was the most freeing, precious thing I ever saw.
ANNNNNNNNNNNND, he still never explained why interracial dating wasn’t permitted at the university! As a mother of a biracial child, he can go kick rocks…with bare feet!!!
Went to Bob Jones back in 98, they were all proud of finally lifting the restriction of interracial dating, but it was only for foreign students who had no choice but date another race. This was a talking point when visiting the campus over Easter. Also, I was so sheltered growing up, I had no idea why everyone would giggle when I said I went to BJU. A friend eventually had mercy and explained what a bj was. the guys in my friend group were impressed there was a whole school to learn this skill!
When I get bored I like to look up the rule books for strict Baptist colleges like Pensacola. It is absolutely insane. Some schools have maps drawn on where people of the opposite sex can walk together and men and women can't use the same elevators
That snitch culture is no joke. I went to a fundie Christian college (not one mentioned) and they campus police (campus police was all students and their supervisor was a retired cop) to go to parties in plain clothes and bust students for drinking. The other thing my college would do would be to say if one student broke a rule, if their roommate said nothing, the roommate would also be punished (loss of scholarship, off campus suspension, expulsion, etc.) so roommates were incentivized to snitch all the time.
Ex Fundie Diaries is an amazing channel! They're so honest, and in my opinion they're one of the bravest people out there. They actually read their cringy teenage diary entries and show their home videos.I would die on the spot if I did that. They're well worth a subscription and a full watch through of their back catalog.
You and James make my day. So my son, who is a senior in high school this year. He is a star baseball player and has had colleges looking at him for a bit. So he was offered a full scholarship from none other than Liberty. I just sat there stunned. I have raised my son to make his own choices and to be his own person. I do not want him to be a clone of me. Anyway ... He thankfully made the right choice and told them no thank you, he didn't want to play baseball for or go to a college like Liberty and that they really didn't want him because he would be fined and on probation or suspension all the time because he was not a fundie or a right winger. Very proud Momma moment. He also was looked at by BYU because their pitching coach is related to my cousin's husband. Thankfully the D1 school my son wanted has offered him a partial scholarship. I just keep saying let's get through his senior year. Keep up the good work with the great videos.
I don't have any anecdotes that I personally experienced, because I kicked LDS to the curb well before I was a legal adult. However, I used to work with what we lovingly used to refer to as the Trinity Baptist Trio in a previous job. 2 girls and 1 boy, about 19 or 20. They'd all been hired together, for the same call center roll, all went to Trinity Baptist College, and were all a bit...special. There's two stories I hold with me to this day. One is infuriating and the other is just unimaginably sad. The male of this group was easily the most obnoxious SOB I ever met, judgmental as hell. And if you ever wondered if these colleges actually foster racism or not, here you go. So we worked in a big 18 story office building with many companies and a fancy main floor foyer that sometimes hosted events. One day we came down after work together, there was a MASSIVE birthday bash being held for somebody who was black. I don't know the context beyond that, but being a birthday party, it naturally included this person's very large extended family and likely friends. Who were all mostly black. And the dude gets REALLY angry and angrier still as he keeps walking and commenting about it outside to the parking lot. About how it was "disgusting" that someone was holding a party for "only black people" and how they likely would have beat him up for being white and just being there if there was no security, and on and on, lots of other really insane ideas he was coming up with in his own head, becoming a victim of a made-up scenario, and honestly it really freaked me out. I tried explaining that a black person's family is likely to mostly be black, but nope. They were violent and anti-white thugs. Holding a birthday party. I legitimately became scared of him that day for fear of what other crap he'd act out on if given the chance. The much sadder story is that of one of the girls, who was maybe the least pious of the bunch. But incredibly sweet. She would often confide in me about sensitive things after I told her I'd left the LDS church, because I would never make fun of her or report her to the authorities at Trinity Baptist. I thought she was being overly paranoid about that, but no, turns out she got expelled from her semester for texting a guy. At 19. Who was suicidal and she was trying to talk him down, nothing sexual about it. She was inconsolable for days because part of the punishment in addition to that was being forced to delete the guy's phone number in front of the school's counselor. So she had no idea if he was even OK, and this was before social media was quite the juggernaut it is now. I tried telling her how freaking insane this all was, and she did nothing wrong, but I think she was as much ashamed of herself as she was worried about the guy, which is sad beyond belief. I did my best to try to get her to make me a middle-man or something just to ease her mind, but she never did. And we all got laid off not long after that, so I have no idea what became of it, but I honestly still think about her a lot, and hope she's OK. And got out.
I went to high school outside P-Cola in the mid 90s, and the PCC folks are whackadoo. Students would congregate en masse in the Cordova Mall food court. There, they’d burst out into singing hymns or approaching people to preach to them. Usually, this resulted in the normies clearing out of the area quickly. We learned that the words “I’m Catholic” made them scatter to the wind. None of us where Catholic, and most of us weren’t even religious at all. One interaction that stood out was the kid who talked about how addicted to pr0n he was and how PCC helped save him from his addiction. We listened and realized that he didn’t have an addiction. It was a normal interest in pr0n, but his parents forced him to PCC and religious camps in panic. I felt so bad for the kid. And, when I started homeschooling my son, my mom sent me the whole 5th grade Abel’s Curriculum. My son was already an avowed atheist at a young age, so that got donated to the local fundie homeschool co-op.
As a homeschooler there is one thing about everyone who used different curriculum, for example, I used Bob Jones University. No matter what one you used, we always had pity on the kids who had to use A Beka. That's how heinous it was
My super religious all girls high school also had “science” in it’s title, and I majored in biology. My senior year we learned genetics, and my teacher started the first lesson with “we all KNOW god created the world and all of it’s created creatures in completion, but some people BELIEVE in evolution and they’re wrong”, and then we learned about genes and alleles and stuff. It was so weird
@@kekeliamekudzi4948 I wish my high school had been like that :/ I had to teach myself everything I was interested in. I live in the US and went to public school, so it might be different if you attend private school or are in another country. I’m not super well informed about those systems
@@trystero1729 I went to a public school in New York City, and the system was actually kinda annoying because it kind of locked you into your major so it limited exploration. Most of the majors in my school were science and engineering related because it was technical school, I think we had a total of 3 non stem majors available. I did love my major though but I think a lot of us could have benefited with the opportunity to explore instead of locking ourselves into things like chemical engineering or law so early.
I'm glad someone talked about abeka. My parents homeschooled me and my sisters with that curriculum from k-5. I remember that there was a whole chapter in the science textbooks talking shit about evolution and attacking Darwin as a person. The reading textbooks also had a lot of stories about the evils of communism lol
One Bob Jones textbook had the words "Hoax", "Fake", and "Scam" written in capital red letters of illustrations of the Piltdown Man and a couple of other early homo sapiens. Every other sentence in the text box below was a contradiction. Mind, this was highschool biology, not a book meant for literal-minded 8-year-olds. Good luck thinking critically and independently after that!
This has happened to particularly girls, and I can't even imagine what the boys have gone through, in all of the world throughout all history. The women have always been blamed whether in religious, secular, work, and even familial settings. All of the public schools in my area have adopted an in house approach to "problems" that arise. Meaning they won't call the police. My fifth grade son was stabbed with a protractor repeatedluly, years ago now, and they acted like I was the problem for wanting to know what type of disciplinary action was taken. Not that I even wanted extreme measures. But as his mom that's my job. The entire system is a huge problem no matter where you go.
That story about the BJU undergrad assaulted by a grad student really hit home for me. I didn't go to any of the schools mentioned in this video, but I did go to a similarly sketchy religious college in Texas for my undergrad, and at my very first paid job (as a early-20s junior in college), I was semi-stalked and harassed by a male student at least 10 years my senior. What's worse, I had to see him almost every day after that until the day I graduated. BTW, the school I went to was Title IX exempt, and they got that exemption while I was a student there.
My younger sister matriculated to PCC, about the same time as my younger brother enlisting in the Army. During the Winter break,i had a chance to see PCCs handbook and bros Army training manual. IMO, the Army was easier on its recruits.
I REALLY need to add one of the funniest thing involved with PPC. My sister's sophmore year, she was given the mailbox 666. She and my mom freaked out and got it changed. Personally I thought she was a real wuss. It would've been funny and metal as hell. Goody-two-shoes in action.
I went to college in Lynchburg, and Liberty students were/are constantly transferring to the other colleges in the area due to racism, homophobia, and sexual assaults. There have even been 'jane doe' accounts popping up on instagram that detail the abuse that students have experienced there that falls on deaf ears or that they even receive punishment for. It's very, very sad. Despite Liberty's recent moves to appear more tolerant and inclusive, there's still so much going on behind the curtain. Although, it was hilarious to have Falwell Jr.'s scandals be the talk of the town for a few months - people were so scandalized literally no one could stop talking about it.
my ex friend went to Liberty and i was horrified. Although looking back on it I dont know why I was so surprised when her mom literally threw a tantrum over gay marriage.
@@straberryshinigami15g97 Yeah, that sounds about right. So sorry your old friend's mom sucked lmao. Honestly, most liberty students are bigotry stans or they/their parents get lured in because of the wild amount of financial aid Liberty offers. Like, liberty was an option for me - not because I wanted to go, but because I was poor and they make a lot of big promises to VA residents. Tbh they take on financial aid in a predatory way just like the military does.
I’ve always homeschooled my kids. I create their own curriculum bc like 99% of homeschool curriculum is super heavy on the religion conservative, and just factually wrong. It’s funny when people ask my kids where they go to school, and they tell them and promptly follow it up with “we’re not that kind of homeschool family.”
In Britain, home-schooling is controlled by the Government inspectorate, and all students have to do Government tests every year, and keep files of work for the inspectorate to see. Religious schools are allowed but are also vetted by the Government Inspectors and Church Inspectors. They have to take the same exams at 11, 16 and 18. Post 18 Colleges and Graduate Schools can only award Degrees verified by the major academic Universities. Christian Unions, Jewish Societies, Buddhist Societies are allowed as regular Societies in the secular universities , just like any other student societies. Princess Elena of Spain attended Exeter University in the late 80s, to study for an MA. She was a member of the Christian Union and spoke about abortion rights at the Sunday Night Open Meetings. She had a flat in the same student block as my son . The only time that Police guards were seen was when Prince Charles came to visit her . Otherwise she was a normal student .
@@sheilanixon913 this tracks with my friend's experience giving birth to four of her kids at home in Germany. Midwives who deliver babies at home are very supported but also well-regulated in Germany, and this has led to lower child mortality. Give me a hospital birth and a big old epidural every time, but it's important for people to have other options and to keep those options safe and available.
@@sheilanixon913 most states in the US require testing and reports on homeschooled children but the level of enforcement of the basic standards of education varies by state and even within them down to the county or school district level. It's a very fragmented system that is easy for religious zealots to exploit
I, too, homeschool my four children - about 10 miles from Patrick Henry College. We get mistaken for isolationist Christians all the time. I’ve been doing this for more than a decade, but I started caring more about what others thought once Trump waxed on the scene. I still haven’t found the right language. Sometimes I say we’re “secular homeschoolers.” Sometimes “non religious homeschoolers.” I would like a better phrase. In the meantime, I put a big ole progress-flag (LGB/Trans/BLM) heart on the back of our minivan.
I got scholarships to go to a “secular” college and my fundie school principal and his wife tried to get me to change my mind and go to Pensacola. It was always gonna be a no from me. Several of my classmates went, though. 😬
I have a colleague who used Patrick Henry to bust her gay brother out of her quiverful family home. She got into grad school because the grad school didn't realize the accreditation issues, got a PhD, then a job as a professor, and took her brother out with her. She's my hero. Her family would only let her go to a conservative 'Christian ' college, so it was her only option.
I’ve always felt uncomfortable about curriculum questions because our family mostly unschools. It hadn’t occurred to me that it’s a quick way of sussing out ideologies. Is that why it’s one of the first questions other homeschoolers often ask? Now I will pay more attention to the answers!
I actually went to Oral Roberts University and it's funny. It's both more normal and way crazier than you'd think all at the same time lol. Like when I enrolled in 2009 not only did we have a curfew, but girls' curfew was 30 mins earlier. I was told the reason was so guys could walk the girls to their dorm at night. How chivalrous 😂. To their credit they did eventually fix that.
If money weren't an issue, I'd be very tempted to attend one of these colleges just to see how many rules I can break before they get wise and kick me out
When I went girls were the only ones with curfew. We had boys bring us Taco Bell to the fish bowl, but we had to go right back up to the rooms. I got kicked out after a year. Honestly tho, it was my most fun year of college I had. Maybe the rule breaking made it adventurous 😃
@@hellomynamesninooo6017 It wouldn't be hard to get kicked out lol. Just openly do drugs or alcohol. My impression was 1/3 of the kids were really trying their best to follow the rules, 1/3 didn't care about breaking the rules and 1/3 just wanted to look like they weren't breaking any rules haha.
I live near Liberty University, born and raised in Lynchburg and watched how this school became MASSIVE. While I know some people who have genuinely enjoyed the experience, and have taken a lot of good stuff from the school, so many others have been chewed up and spit out by them. The racism and homophobia is ramped there, but they cover it up so well that a lot of people don't know how bad it is unless you talk to people that go there. And, from personal experience, a lot of men there are so far down the misogynistic rabbit hole it's scary. And there are an ungodly amount of sexual assault cases there, whereas rather than help those that have been assaulted - they blame the victim. I personally despise that school and the things they continue to let happen again again there. But I sincerely hope that the people who go there have a good experience and not be dragged down.
I went to a Christian High School and 75% of our text books were the Bob Jones homeschool text books for stuff like English, History, and Science. I think only our Math textbooks were McGraw-Hill. When it came time to apply to colleges all of the staff pushed super hard for us to apply to Liberty and Anderson University and I found out after I graduated that the school got financial compensation for every graduating student who went to one of their schools.
I was violently abused by students from Bob Jones University. I had the horrible misfortune of growing up across the street from BJU. And boy do I have stories about what goes on there.
I remember reading about the number of times per week you had to attend chapel at one of these schools. I thought, when do you have time to do homework? It sounds like they wanted to make sure every second of your life is accounted for so you have no time to think your own thoughts.
As an alumnus of one of them, you are correct, taking up all the students' time is a big part of attending one. B.I.T.E. model anyone? It is also a clever way of filtering out people who have to also work many hours, or have disabilities, or family needs, or any other concern with meeting all those extra requirements, on top of being a full time student. The chapel requirement was actually my least concern of the several, at ours it was just a once weekly thing that was about 90 minutes. No real requirement to pay attention, but it wasn't a place anyone could be comfortable or hide out in, if you needed some kind of privacy or felt ill. (I didn't know I was nuerodivergent at the time, either.) For me, the "Christian" service hours requirement was hardest to fulfill. We had to have 30 hours per semester (for half of our total semesters there) wherein we served in some sort of manner to the community. The service hours had to be completed during the semester at hand (not summer or winter break). And of course all service has to be observed and signed off on by a staff member or student worker of the college. So hey it's cool and all if you go feed some hungry people and care for the elderly and sick all by yourself, but it doesn't count. But, sure, knocking back a bunch of hours by answering phones for a whole shift at the funding telethon of the national Christian radio company within sight of the campus, that counts. Oh and transportation time doesn't count either, which further keeps all the service real close to the school (really wealthy suburbs.) And students without cars/ability to drive (in a very high car dependency area) better get good at doing whatever is offered to them and tagging along with students who do.
Thanks so much for the content! As someone born and raised in Lynchburg, seeing the truth about LU come out to the public is so satisfying! Slowly watching the monopoly and hold LU has on the area fall away is a much needed and amazing feeling. The art/music/nature community is thriving and expanding as people are able to actually express themselves more and not feel oppressed by LU and the Falwells/their ridiculous standards and rules for everyone here in town. Downtown has always been a hub for anything creative and actually interesting because somehow it has kept itself mostly out of the Liberty grasp. Anyway, thanks to you both for always enlightening the public! Much love!
I have a friend who is going there to law school (she is Black and Not Conservative lol) and I was wondering if you know of any places I can recommend her to check out as safe spaces or places to meet people who aren't fundies?
@@caitieeeee Downtown has plenty of places that are friendly and open to all! Loving Co. is a coffee shop that are all about being accepting and loving to everyone- just came to mind because my partner played a show there recently! Montana Plains Bakery in Wyndhurst has great people and a cool art gallery is upstairs! The Lynchburg Community Market downtown is awesome and accepting- love it there however there is an old man who stands outside a lot and yells bs at everyone about how we are all going to hell lol. He is to be ignored- but other than that the market is awesome! One last place is the Madison House of the Arts which is a really neat place that supports all communities- it’s a safe sober space! They do have bible study stuff some days but they’re not super weird or anything like a lot of the radicals around town. Honestly I recommend your friend look up local shops, events, restaurants, cafes, etc. on social medias- they usually have in their bios what they are all about and it’s kinda easy to tell based on that whether it’ll be chill or not! Not to be rude but if the place’s social medias are super Christian based it’s probably going to be pretty awkward there as that’ll be where the racist, homophobic, transphobic, classist people will be lurking lol 👀 Hope that helps and sorry about the length of it!
My grandparents and aunt lived in Lynchburg and I attended college at SBC, so I was always very aware of the Skullduggery the Falwells and their school were getting up to. It’s infuriating how much they get away with even now.
@@lauradietrich6736 ugh it’s the worst, even when the Falwells or LU is in deep doodoo in national news, here in Lynchburg everybody acts like nothing is wrong and the Failwells are still gods golden children. Even as a child I saw how hypocritical it all was, but these people have blinders on!
@@IsabelKidd what gets me the most, if I had to pick one thing (so many to choose from!) is how little respect and consideration they have for everyone around them. I’ll never forget going to visit my aunt as a kid and stepping out onto her deck in the morning and seeing the huge LU on Candler’s mountain for the first time. It made my blood boil then and it still does even now. They literally denuded part of the mountain just to put that up-no regard for the mountain itself or anyone else-after being told they couldn’t officially rename the mountain. I know it’s far from the worst thing they’ve ever done, but it’s so emblematic of the deeper hypocrisy, self-centeredness, and just flat-out mean-spiritedness that runs through them.
I’m from the Florida Panhandle and two of my high school teachers went to PCC and were basically told they weren’t true Christian’s for wanting to teach in the public school system. Also, I went to another Christian college in the Panhandle and when my school played PCC in volleyball, the girls wore super short shorts and we were all amazed based on their rules. We also joked nonstop about how much of a cult they are. You know it’s bad when another conservative Christian college is making fun of how conservative they are…
In the interview with Larry King, not only does Bob Jones look like He's going to cry, but physically breakdown with the sudden realization that He fucked up.
I remember when religious private school kids got sent to my high school for freshman year. I went to public school and when I saw my fellow classmates who migrated from the private school, I was shocked to see they were clones. All of them wore the same types of outfits (even similar color schemes), had the same haircuts, and all kept to themselves. Some of them even would sit in for each other during classes a joke because they all looked the same. On our first day, one of them asked me after morning announcements, “When is prayer?” And I was like “Never????? TF?? But, I guess do it if ya wanna, homeboy.”
Yeah I went to public schools most of my life but went to a private religious school my final year of high school and the contrast was so stark. There were 300 girls at the private school (800 boys) and only about 10 girls (me being one of them) had mid length hair (either shoulder length or armpit length), all the other girls had waist length hair in the exact same style. At the public school some girls had dyed hair or long hair or short hair or mid length hair and various hairstyle. Also the public school were more lenient in various other ways, the private school felt like military school. The private school had chapel twice a week, no phones aside from designated areas, super unsafe to be lgbt+, ankle length skirts for girls, etc
Also I was the only girl who was remotely alternative/rocker, I wore band t shirts and jeans or plaid pants and most of the other girls wore hoodies and leggings lol
I know someone who went to Pensacola and the women had to wear dresses and skirts below their knees even off campus, had to sign off and had a curfew, they couldn’t go to the beach together and all dates had to be chaperoned. I wanted to see a friend there and they couldn’t get it signed off because I wasn’t in the school and I wasn’t considered safe.
I love these episodes, but that is such a reach. This is supposed to be "fundie" as in "Fundamentalists" channel. Or am I mistaken? Obviously they won't touch fundamentalist Jewish schools probably better known as Orthodox Jews (no touching whatsoever before marriage, no touching 2 weeks out of the month due to the wife being "unclean"...no not just sexual touching, but no touching your wife's hand while she writhes in bed with a brutal migraine etc) What about extreme Jihadists? There are so many actual abusive religious cults out there that pervert religion in order to control. You may not like or agree with Alex Jones but calling him a Fundamental Christian is beyond reaching. It seems almost desperate.
I went to Houghton College (a Wesleyan college, fully accredited) and a classmate, who was a transfer, had attended Pensacola, she said she was part of an underground movie sharing network. I actually thought about going to BJU, glad that was a passing thought.
PCC kicked me out for not attending church enough. They have students and parents stalk you off campus and take pictures of you if you arent wearing their dress code or are with someone. And so much more.
My amab partner was kicked out of PCC for allegedly going off campus(without signing out of the compound) to a movie(a BIG no-no) with a girl(DOUBLE no-no). When his mom asked why they kicked him out without any evidence, they told her they knew he didn't do anything, but they "needed to make an example out of him."
You two are a dynamic duo! We're here for it! Love when you redo old videos. Teaching yourself to educate on camera hands on has gotta take a learning curve. Your look today is just adorable. Thanks for all your hard work guys. 👏
Arlin and Rebekah combine to make Abeka, so it's not just her name, it's his! Also, love the energy of yall yelling about how predators should be in prison.
Those people can explain physics better than they can explain theology. No, really- I've heard them do both (not Bob Jones 3, but other long-term professors who worked for the school). Shows how messed up their theology is.
these people do the most to avoid being called racist, even when they do the most heinously racist shit. wish larry king would’ve twisted this son of a bitch’s leg a little more to really expose their repulsive ideology for what it is.
I'm so happy you brought up Elly from Ex-Fundie Diaries. She does a lot to educate people about the intricacies of growing up in Christian fundamentalism, and has done so much work on herself while deconstructing. She's great
I attended a fundie-lite university whose most prominent alumnus is Rachel Dolezal. I had a great college experience, but looking back, I'm not happy with my education
This was my comfort video for a while (idk why) and I watched it at least once a week. I freaked out after the original was deleted and thought that I had completely made it up. Thanks Jen for re-uploading it and letting me know I didn't imagine it!
I briefly considered going to Liberty or Patrick Henry because they were so affordable and looked like a perfectly safe haven free from frat boys, drinking culture, etc. Didn’t go, which was probably good. Hindsight is 20/20.
A recruiter from Bob Jones came to the Baptist school I went to every year. My mom wanted me to go there. I mostly ignored everything about it because there was no way in hell I would do that, but here are some things I remember hearing about the place: girls had to wear knee length skirts and panty hose, you weren't allowed to listen to any secular music or have any real internet access, you were only allowed to date in these chaperoned "dating parlors". I also remember hearing that until recently (at the time, before 2010) that they had a big sign denouncing interracial marriage. Forever grateful that even though my parents put me through a lot of indoctrination, they mostly allowed me to make my own decisions!
About 20 years ago I volunteered my time to work as a parent and former teacher to help get a local charter school open. I could not believe the amount of Mormons and "Christians" that wanted the bible used in the classrooms. I kept telling them that we could not buy bibles and put them in the classroom because it was a public school. I finally just said that if they kept wanting to put bibles in classrooms we would need to also put in all religious works such as the Koran etc.
In high school, a regular old cold prep hs in CA, I reported my history teacher for calling me promiscuous after I disagreed that having sex was wrong. And the counselor said "you know, mr blabblahblah is retiring in two years. You should just let it go." That was soul-sucking enough but I can't imagine going through what the survivors of SA went through at these colleges.
“dating couples are not permitted to walk around campus after dark without a third person present” damn look at them accepting polyamorous relationships 😩
Valid
LMAOOO
Throuples own the night!
They still do that in my church lol...its like they're hyper sexualizing everyone for doing simple normal things as a couple..make it make sense
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You and James yelling at each other over the lady not being in prison is the energy my gf and I have when I tell her about celebrity drama
that's so sweet, my partner could not care less about any celebrity drama so it's always just me being that intense...at someone pretending to listen (but failing miserably )
Word cutest couple !!
My husband and I act like that when we order takeout. We’ll be like ‘omg are you serious? They have a French dip? Serious? Dude get me that instead!’
James' Hiiigghhhh Schhoooll. Both cracked me up and depressed me.
That was the energy I needed. You two are too smart and adorable for me to handle.
Replace all Tennessee Confederate statues with Dolly Parton!
She already said she doesn't think she deserves that. Nevertheless, it would be better if the statures were her and not confederates.
I hate country music but I'd be down with that.
I’d be there for that!
Yush!! I love me some Dolly!
@@taranullius9221 dolly definitely transcends country!! an amazing human being
I was a PCC student in 2008, so some rules may have changed.
No collarbones showing.
No wet hair.
No touching the opposite sex (unless related)
Skirts below the knee ( also no denim skirts)
Pantyhose required for chapel ( had just changed from during all classes)
Three girls had to sign out together to leave campus.
And an RA was required to go to the beach with a group of 5 girls minimum.
I had 4 roommates and 4 suitemates ( two sinks, one shower and one toilet)
The water park was just opening when I was expelled.
I got really good at ice skating, though.
I have several family members that have also attended and the cousin I was at school with is now the men's basketball coach. I pride myself in being the only member of my family to have never gotten a single demerit!
I was drugged and raped by a classmate while travelling back to school after Christmas break. It took me two weeks to be able to put the pieces together of what happened. I was sitting in class one day and the RA called my name to go to the office. The bastard realized I was starting to figure out what happened and reported me for slander. After two days of grueling interrogation from the administration ( not allowed to speak to anyone, shadowed to the bathroom phone confiscated during bathroom trips, eating alone with a self important RA staring at me). I was given the option to plead my case to the board, which I took only to find that they would seat me facing my attacker and allow him to appeal and retort everything. When I was expelled ( he was suspended) I was told I had 24 hours to get off campus and was not to talk to anyone. So as I silently sobbed and packed my room that night my roommates were asking me what was wrong and I could not say anything ( ever present RA to ensure silence). The first phone call I received was my Stepmother to say I was a MF hussy and not welcome in her home or around her children ( whom I had practically raised). Turns out the school had called my parents to tell them I lied about the whole thing, because I was not hysterical enough for it to have been real. Oh and I was 20 years old at this point.
I met my husband that summer and have done a lot of intense healing since. But PCC nearly broke me and I will likely never visit the state of Florida again.
Holy shit that story took a turn. I'm so sorry.
That is fked. I am so sorry you experienced that. Thank you for sharing your story 💚 this is exactly why we need to scrutinize the hell out of these people
I am truly sorry that that happened to you and please remember it was NEVER your fault.
Things haven't changed much at PCC.
My daughter went there and unwillingly acquired a stalker student.
She went to the faculty and reported the issue.
Guess what they did?
Yup, you guessed correctly!
They blamed her!
Said she shouldn't have shown any interest in him whatsoever to begin with.
She got PTSD over the whole thing. Not just because of the stalker, but the alleged Christians who victim-blamed her.
EDITED TO ADD THIS: My daughter went to PCC several years after you.
I am so sorry that happened to you. 😢
As someone whose parents insisted that I applied to ORU- ohh boooy-
I went to their terrible "admitted students' day" and it was one of the most suffocating experiences of my life. They gathered all of us in a room and made us write essays about biblical topics (which we didn't know about prior). After an hour and half of sweaty writing we were then paired off with a councilor of the same gender to assess our "character" to see if we were deserving of financial support. I had a 4.0 from a local junior college (that was accredited/recognized by all the uni's in my state), a long list of volunteerism, and an had internship at local museum. All of this was ignored and instead my councilor decided that she would talk with me about my "godly character" and about how one shouldn't be consumed with pride about ones achievements. After this we proceeded (still divided by gender) to go talk with current students over lunch. The current girl students spent the entire time talking about whom they liked and who was courting who and had no actual knowledge about any of the programs there. Following this, we were taken back to a dorm where it was emphasized how all the girls had "curfews" and that they weren't like "public" universities that allow coed dorms, guys visiting the girls dorms, and other such nonsense.
There was a lot of other useless slut-shaming and modesty propaganda but that is to be expected. The frosting on the cake was after they had reviewed my "character" they decided to not offer me any financial support because I had not exhibited enough volunteerism at my church (which is ridiculous- I even sang in the choir), and because I had attended a non-christian university prior to applying (i guess that's a sin). On top of this, they refused to accept almost any of my credits, effectively trying to make me start my education over again "because we don't know how it was taught to you." And the schedule list they sent me contained three bible courses, one basic math course, and an elective. I obv. rescinded their offer and went practically full ride to different public university. When they received my declination they sent a HANDWRITTEN CARD to my house that told me in the most condescending cursive ever that they were "sorry that I didn't understand the mission of the university and that they were only trying to show me the right path but that they understood the right path isn't for everyone."
TL/DR: ORU is comprised of self-righteous morally-elitist educationally backwards idiots
"the right path isn't for everyone?" Sheesh. By definition, "right" would mean it's best for everyone. Those condescending jerks. I'm sorry that happened to you.
Wow you dodged a bullet!
Ugh… reading all this makes me nauseous. I feel happy to have broken away from that world of delusions, anti-science, condescending ineptitude and phony kindness. Good for you for dodging that bullet. Eff them.
Sounds less like a college and more like a cult commun
@@cindys9491 I was about to comment on this too! OP really dodged a bullet with this "university."
I went to Oral Roberts University and boy howdy do I have some stories. Buckle up.
1) One of my favorite professors got fired for drinking alcohol in a restaurant in another state on vacation (I heard that someone saw him and snitched?)
2) My hip-hop dance teacher sat us all down and spent an entire class period lecturing us on how if we loved God we would be rich already, and healthy too. Then he came into class a couple weeks later with a cane - he’d gotten injured. He spent the rest of the semester periodically throwing the cane down and trying to worship the injury away.
3) Every semester there’s a mandatory “revival,” which means classes are cancelled so everyone can go to a bunch of church services. It’s not unusual for there to be signs in the door at Fall Revival/ whatever they call the spring one (I forget) that warn people not to come in if they experience light-induced seizures… because that’s how wild the “worship” is.
4) Massive pressure (in my personal opinion) to go on school-led and sponsored mission trips. I’d estimate that about half of all students participate in these. There’s a huge push (in my personal opinion) to go on these trips. In my experience, no matter what your reason for not going, it’s not good enough for a lot of the people who question you on it. Students who are already in debt are spending months fundraising so they can go on these trips, often during spring break or other times that you’d typically need to rest.
5) Accessibility is abysmal. Students I know who use wheelchairs have to go to other buildings to use the restroom, in the rain, with massive puddles on the sidewalk that are deep enough to splash the inner workings of electric wheelchairs and potentially damage them. Sidewalks were cracked and crumbling to the point of being dangerous to disabled students. Automatic doors were very often broken. The only way for a wheelchair to enter the cafeteria was through the tiny rickety elevator they use to bring up supplies and food shipments, and opens into the kitchens. This is barely scratching the surface - I have SO MANY STORIES on inaccessibility in this school.
6) During church services, revival and otherwise (There are mandatory church services twice a week. They take attendance.) there would sometimes be a whole cluster of disabled students in the lobby - one woman with asthma using her inhaler because all the smoke from the fog machines, the blind woman trying to avoid damaging her hearing because it was so loud, one woman with joint issues in serious pain because the bass was shaking her bones, me (I’m autistic) having a meltdown and literally crying on the floor from the overwhelming noise and lights, and often others, but I don’t remember all of them off the top of my head. We eventually got official permission to be allowed to sit in the lobby, so we wouldn’t risk getting in trouble for not being in the auditorium.
7) Every single PE class requires students to weigh themselves during class and turn in their BMI to the teacher. (As far as I remember it at least.)
8) Students are required to take a PE class something like 6 times (maybe 8, I forget). The school has a philosophy of “Whole Person Education” which the school claims is to make well-rounded students, but in my personal opinion is better described as a constant institutional pressure to be good at every. single. thing.
9) Every Monday night at 11 pm there’s a mandatory meeting for every floor. Doesn’t matter if you need to be up early - and these meetings often go until midnight or later.
10) Homophobia. I don’t have a lot of distinct stories about it, but it’s definitely prevalent, and every student has to sign a document during a church service at the beginning of each year promising not to do gay stuff (and so many other things).
There is so much more but if I keep going then no one is going to bother reading this comments. Jen, please reach out to me if you’d like more. I promise you there’s plenty info for a video (secret tunnels, unfinished theater that they never added the roof to because Oral Roberts thought it looked cool unfinished, healing services, and way more). I’m a professional content creator (Instagram and TikTok primarily) and I would gladly collaborate with you in any way you would find useful. I just want other people to not have to go through what my friends and I went through.
*Some parts of this school are cool. Some people at the school are amazing. I’m not against everyone there, I’m against policies and practices that lead to people getting hurt.
Sounds like the school I went to. North Greenville University. It's Bob Jones University's sister school. 😖
I feel number 6 HARD. I grew up going to churches whose worship was so loud that I had to sit outside during it. I'm not blind, but I have poor vision and unusually sensitive hearing, and the volume levels were physically painful, often nauseating. I would sit outside the auditorium during any kind of musical performance and go in for the sermon, but I still got constant shit from people for 1) sitting out "worship time" and 2) sitting in the back pew during the sermon "like you're hiding from God". (Actually, I just wanted to minimize disruption when I came in late, and it's not like I could see the pulpit well anyway.)
I love your Instagram! Also, requiring PE in college? No thanks, that's already traumatic enough before all the religious trauma 😬
I read this whole comment before I read who posted it, and then just about gasped. I *love* your videos! They help me so much 💝 And I’m so sorry that y’all went through all that ❤️🩹
Got fired for having a drink at a Restaurant....holy shyt!!!! Send him to hell
I work in the admissions department of a university, talking to and assisting prospective students. One day, when I was still fairly new to the job, I spoke with a student who was looking to transfer out of Liberty University. When I asked why he wanted to transfer, he sighed and told me, "I'm tired of answering questions with answers I know are wrong." This pops into my head whenever I speak with anyone from that school, it still troubles me so much.
Oh my god I went to an evangelical school and this resonates so much
I went to George Mason University and we had A LOT of Liberty transfers. Most, if not all, had really bad experiences there.
That hit me so hard. I used to get in trouble for not giving the answers they wanted and asking questions. So happy to no longer be a Christian.
Glad I went to community college instead of liberty University lol
I went to this so call liberal university. They also did not like it when I disagreed with them. Going so far as having a teacher tell me that I did not understand the book we were reading cause I disappeared with the book. And she failed me on the assignment cause I obviously didn’t understand it. So lame, I left that school as I was not going to learn anything there, there were other reasons, but this being the worst example.
I just wanted to say that congratulations Kansas on protecting the right to choose on Tuesday. This is not just a win for the state but for the Midwest and South. 🍾
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SWEET!!!
Th y elected kkk kobach, as attorney general . This will be revisited by him.
I know right! I live in Arkansas and I have been devastated since roe v wade overturned. When I saw what kansas did it really lifted my spirits. I don't know if arkansas will pull through but it gave me hope!
"we don't treat Black students differently" he says after just having admitted that Black students weren't allowed to attend until 1970
They also had to be married. They did not want Black students dating whites.
Tbh I don’t feel that bad for the students attending. When you apply to schools you research them. They still went after seeing what the school was about.
Uhuh, and after admitting that white students are allowed to date white students but black students aren't. My dude, treating students differently based on race is *exactly* what you are doing
@@athenarocks7657that’s true unless some of them were forced, I don’t feel bad
most of them are forced to pick between these very schools. i watched dozens of people in my fundie baptist church have to choose and go off to either BJU or PCC.
ABeka is named after Beka Horton and the only reason they put the letter "A" in front is so that it would come up first in alphabetized searches. I used to work in the ABeka sweatshop and we learned that first day of training lol
Why am I not suprised?
Well that’s extra scummy. And I should know. I had to use the Abeka curriculum throughout my school years. Fuck Abeka.
republicans saying america was built on racism while claiming not to be racist is my favorite thing
I love when they claim themselves "the party of Lincoln". Lincoln was a northern liberal. If he were alive today they'd call him an "SJW cuck libtard Marxist pinko commie feminist who's destroying WeStErN CiViLiZaTiOn'S JuDeO-cHRiStIaN vAlUeS!!1!!!"
"America was built by people like these"
So America was founded by racist
"😡"
It makes me laugh, especially in the face of white people whose ancestors ain’t been here but 150 years or ao
“We need the statues to remember our history” meanwhile they seem to want the history of slavery to be watered down or not taught at all, so which is it? Lol.
My mom even said something about how the statues were history and seemed stumped when I asked why we couldn’t just read a history book then? Fox News gets boomers worked up over nothing daily.
Doublethink at its finest
The Lindsay Roderts thing is fucking ridiculous. We need to take the sexual abuse of teenage boys by female perpetrators more seriously.
Based.
Agreed 💯
agreed all predators are monsters and all victims matter.
Yes! Jerry Falwell's wife, Becky, also did this to at least one male - there was an article about it a couple years ago when all that stuff was in the media involving the pool boy. She got one of her son's teenage or early 20's bandmates drunk, convinced him to spend the night in their guest room, and then sexually assaulted him. He gave an interview with the reporter who told his story. Keep in mind, these are also kids who are taught that sex outside of marriage is a major sin, so, this was likely part of the reason they didn't report/come forward. Also, society and law enforcement makes jokes about female perps/rarely processes these cases, which also contributes to a lack of reporting, like you were saying.
We also don’t take male perpetrators seriously. Look at all the comments talking about being at PCC and other colleges and being a rape or SA survivor… these people shout “save the children” and talk about virginity and don’t to shit to help victims… and both men and women assault the students… such a good representation of Christians
I like how liberty university has a 50% acceptance rate and then a 29% graduating rate. Really show the true effort a Christian education can do
And of those roughly 2 in 7 who even *get* the degree, what kind of work do they usually find?
None. I have had so much trouble finding work. I went to a Christian college. All my classmates have gone back to school or chosen another career because our school did not prepare us for our field.
They didn’t even tell us that our state was the worst state for our field and that all work is based on Gig work (something I think is important to know). I didn’t even know how to use basic equipment until I got my first temp. job and my boss taught me.
I have a mentorship with someone who hasn’t gone to school but is successful and trusted in the field. I have learned more from him and the internet than my time at my college.
Research the colleges you go to. My college has gotten sued multiple times by people in my field for their inability to get a job after graduating (and won! Do you know how hard it is to win against a billion dollar private college)?
@@dominicfucinari1942 I have a friend from high school who went there who went for Computer Engineering and he actually found a great job as an engineer.
He's an extremely conservative Christian, but he's not definitely not an unintelligent person.
Lol it’s a joke in Lynchburg that LU means line up. I actually heard that someone sent in an app of their dog and still got accepted.
"a 29% graduating rate"
Does that include those who only graduate with an MRS?
As someone who used the ABeka curriculum until 10th grade, it doesn’t surprise me that they have such a problem with sexual violence on the PCC campus. I remember reading the “rules for Godly dating” in my bible curriculum, and one of the ones for girls was to not wear suggestive clothing, as it might lead to date-rape. That was the moment I realized that i needed to get out of that environment and start deconstructing.
Oh my GOD. Another Abeka person. I was hoping I’d find someone on here. I literally have the same story-Abeka til the tenth grade, then a switch to a super chill, normal school.
I went from really struggling behaviourally, and academically, to basically straight A’s and cherished by the teachers.
Guess who *wasn’t* actually the problem…
Another Abeka survivor here... thankfully, I only had to deal with it in some classes. Unsurprisingly, the classes I loved were not subject to that curriculum and I hated the classes that were.
There’s more of us! Eek! I was homeschooled using abeka until 8th grade when I was then enrolled into a fundie school that used -you guessed it- abeka. K-12 kid here. I thankfully managed to succeed in college/grad school even if I still don’t have a great grasp on evolution lol
Wait I did ABecka too but I don't remember anything religious in it 😭😭
I remember the date rape thing in Abeka one of the reasons I ended up leaving that school
I went to college in Virginia and Liberty College always hosted a really crazy haunted house that was surprisingly good, but at the end they would sit you down in a room and give you a speech along the lines of “Was that scary?? Well that’s what Hell is going to be like so you should turn to Christ. The scariest part of the whole thing 😂
Yikes!
lol .. “…..oh by the way, Jesus”
HHAHAHA SCAREMARE!!! omg this took me back. Too funny.
I feel that people with religious trauma & neurodivergent people can commiserate over the fact that we were both educationally neglected in our childhoods. We gotta start a club or something.
especially when you’re a victim of both 🤝
🤣🤣 ya hey. Never thought about it that way. I was able to make up my education in high school as a neurodivergence. There are missing pieces like spelling. Math science easly made up for though for me.
@@kaylacabrera1454 same! Fundie college + bipolar which was "a sin".
@@kaylacabrera1454 Here, Here!! I’m Autistic and have ADHD and went to my church’s small school and stopped my indoctrination by going to community college and later on to a state school. I’m still in the process of learning a lot about science, evolution and (accurate) history to this day…
It's called Discord. Just...all of it. We're there.
Church is for growing your faith. College is for growing your mind. Everything doesn't have to be church all the time. It's so cultish.
Meanwhile as a college student, I once went to church while high on... "jazz cabbage". God spoke to me there; He told me "I am a comedian, and I am telling you this, because nobody will believe you if you told this to anyone else. Tell this to an animal, and I shall make one of them laugh for you."
It's not and it's not.
I go to Liberty University. When I started I was a Sunday School Teacher, Youth Leader, and went to church at least 5 times a week. I was raised in a fundamentalist cult-- so conservative that Liberty was seen as "progressive" to them. All I knew was what I had been raised with and I was crazy passionate about it. Now, 4 years later, I am still very into spirituality but Agnostic and I have finally come out as bisexual/pansexual and finally starting to actually live instead of just being half-alive. Thank you, Liberty.
So happy for you, being your true self 🥰
I'm so happy for you!
My ex-friend used to go and said wild things like you weren't allowed to wear pajamas to class , they'd check the length of your shorts, and you CANNOT engage in gay behavior.
@@straberryshinigami15g97 define *gay* behaviour.
@@milanorichie basically being gay
My best friend homeschools her daughter and has a fucking hell of a time finding programs that don't involve religion. She also found out that if you tell the school district you are homeschooling because of religious reasons, school districts actually ask for less information on what you're teaching. It's sketch as hell. Her daughter is super smart though and is thriving in home schooling. It would just be nice if there were more secular home school programs. So much of it is tainted with right wing Christian values.
I'm not sure how accessible these resources might be, but I'd like to reccomend IXL online and Kahn Academy online. Both are resources I've seen used in public schools, so no religious tinge. When I homeschooled I took a foreign language class through Aventa/K-12 I believe it was called. I would also reccomend Oak Meadow, which I used for high school. It's based out of VT (my home state) and it accredited, non religious, and has curriculum for K-12 grade with distance teachers to check the work. Oak Meadow was honestly probably the best education I got out of all of my various homeschool endeavors, but it definitely would have benefited me more if I'd had it earlier in my education because while it's a fantastic education option, it isn't great at helping students play catch up.
my childhood best friend’s mom teaches a secular homeschool science class and the amount of nonsense she deals with is insane. not even christian stuff necessarily just kids that don’t appear to be told to actually complete any assignments??? homeschool system is an absolute MESS. i do wonder if anyone has ever challenged my friend’s mom on some religious ground bc she goes to catholic church every sunday lol. she’s just crazy enough to thoroughly separate her bible study classes from her science classes..
i second the person who recommended khan academy and similar sites for your friend’s kid. i was homeschooled a bit in high school and those were pretty helpful resources, although i imagine she’s also looking for in-person learning which was rough enough to find in pre-pandemic boston so… good luck to her. i have also seen parent groups of people that kind of banded together due to the lack of secular homeschooling and they establish their own classes teaching what they’re good at or hiring a willing friend
I was raised in this environment, I know what that feels like to come from that. It’s hard to unlearn it all…I’m glad to hear she’s thriving through it ! If my older brother hadn’t been around idk where I’d be
I was homeschooled through high school, I would say it’s 50/50 when it comes to the number of people homeschooling to indoctrinate their kids vs sane normal people. The thing is, it really depends on your state and your city. In California you can sign up with a charter program where you get an allotted amount of funds every year to use for classes and resources, whereas you’re on your own in Texas (two states I lived in). In Los Angeles, I was part of a homeschool group that was very liberal, the kids/parents were all in the industry somehow, and had teachers who were educated, versus in Orange County, California everyone was a crazy racist conspiracy theorist. It also differed in Texas but still very much leaning towards the right, but I was in a program that needed to stay neutral since there were people of different faiths. But then I was in another group where we used Abeka and I had a science teacher who was a pastor who denied evolution and was pressed on it lol. As for learning resources, I took some courses from edX and Coursera when I was in high school living in Texas which is cool because I don’t have a high school diploma but I have like three certificates lol. I would honestly say don’t put your kid through that in high school because it’s been a source of resentment for me, especially seeing my younger siblings who had their high school experience that I never got to have.
This is because homeschooling is almost exclusively a way to legally brainwash your children.
I worked at Greenville Memorial Hospital for 5 years. We had BJU nursing students come to our unit. I will say it was hilarious to watch their faces when they are taken out of their bubble and placed in the real world of healthcare. I’m sure they were somewhat scarred.
Can you blame them? I went there, but was never a part of them
Huh, that’s interesting. I wonder if they buy blood to explain procedures can be bloody sometimes.
Wtf are they doing training as nurses without any training?
So, my last name is Horton, and I have fundie cousins who go to PCC-how did I not know my own family founded it?! What?!
UPDATE: Arlin is my grandfather's cousin. Part of the reason we don't see that side of the family ever is because of how fundamentalist they are. I'm floored.
oh wow =o glad you could avoid that side of the family!!
That's called dodging a bullet.
Wow - what a way to find out! 😳
A quiverfull diocese paved the way to make a complete mess out of half my maternal family tree. My immediate family barely trusts some of them.
I went to Bob Jones University's sister school - North Greenville University. It was hell. BJU is near where I currently live and everything you hear about that place is 100% true. At NGU I was harassed and physically assaulted by a teacher and was told *"Well, it wasn't sexual assault, so there's nothing we can do."* This woman shoved me by putting her hands on my chest, in public and in front of my entire class. Christian schools are the literal worst. 🙄
Oh dang. I was in student leadership at my Christian school and they talked a lot about reporting sexual harassment/assault with us, but when I asked the dean of students about what I could do about other abuse that I was experiencing I got an "I'm sorry you're dealing with that."
I’m so sorry that happened to you. I also went to Ngu.
Did you guys also say “at least we are not Bob Jones” regularly?
@@captquesadilla Yep definitely. I was 2013 - 2016. Only good thing that came out of it was finding my fiancée who ended up leaving the church with me.
@@wanderingthetardis6179 yea, that's about what I got too. I was also accused of Witchcraft and harassed by every faculty member you could think of.
I lived in TR and went to Anderson for one semester. It fucking sucked. I eventually transferred to Belmont Abbey and Catholic school was WAY more chill 😆
i was homeschooled using abeka and i still can’t do basic math or read a clock so that tells you how well that worked out.
I went to “normal” schools, I’m still awful at maths and telling the time too, and I’m 40, so don’t feel too bad . But hey that’s what digital clocks and calculators are for!!😀
Yo and that shit is expensive too!!! You have to buy like three answer keys just to get all the answers to the problems, it’s fucking crazy
I used abeka too . I think the English was great. I felt very prepared to write and communicate, but the math was extremely difficult and not digestible at all .
@@TheNewWifeLife yep!! my reading and writing skills were always far beyond other kids but i am completely math illiterate. my teachers said i basically had no foundations for math when i went to a public high school.
I was also homeschooled poorly. Recently I tried using some online math resources and discovered I'm not even bad at it, in my case it's actually trauma! I've even been enjoying it lately, something like 20 years after "graduating" high school. However, if I ask someone for help, I freak out. Even if I watch a video on UA-cam there's a chance I could interpret the teacher as being condescending and it just shuts my brain off. I'm going to go back to school soon (I had a back injury and have to change careers) and I'm a little scared I might freak out in a math class, but I'm working on it. I cut off my parents so I think I'll be able to focus better since I won't be constantly berated. I get more mad at them the more I realize how bad they messed me up, but I have a good family and a good therapist so I'm doing alright. What a realization though, like oh I'm not bad at this, not lazy, not trying to be difficult. Just was taught by people who had no business teaching because they didn't have time, energy, or enough education themselves.
I went to a national wrestling tourney and BYU was there. They had the women and men championship competing at the same time. The BYU wrestlers' wives gasped at the women wrestlers, and wondered who would ever want to marry a lady who wrestled. Me and a couple other girl wrestlers were literally right there across the aisle within earshot and full view. They knew we could hear
It’s wonderful that you brought the idea of female wrestling to these naïve, sheltered students. You broadened their paradigm. That they were compelled to speak rudely about it indicates it really got into their minds. Well done!
Simple they no such wrestler women are the best 🛌
@@pechaa I can't take credit, their husbands invited them there. No minds were changed,it was just a tourney. Get over it
I did a speech and debate tournament there about feminism. Their boys laughed condescendingly in the middle of my speech. I cannot stand how self righteous and how much better than everyone else they think they are.
James coming into the room to scream "HIGH SCHOOL!" in tandem with Jen's disbelief was perfect.
I was homeschooled and a lot of the more academic kids I knew went to Patrick Henry for college. It was considered this big pride thing for the parents, as the idea was you'd go there for politics so you could spread Christain conservative values. I think it shows how even tho the group I was apart of wasn't super fundamental, the deep seeded idea of the Christian right and changing the country was very present. Too bad for our parents that instead of being political soldiers for christ most of us turned out gay lol
My friend's grandfather actually founded the place, and his family's known for having like... generations of homeschooled kids, including my friend and her siblings. I never really made the connection between homeschool and Pstrick Henry until she told me, but I guess it makes sense lol
Patrick Henry was definitely lauded in my homeschool group. I went to a state school, but ended up competing against PH in undergraduate moot court competitions. All I remember is the girl on the PH team opposing mine was really pretty and super nice lol.
SAAAAAAAAAMMMMMEEE my parents wanted me to go, and I was also homeschooled, it’s basically fundie homeschooler Ivy League.
I graduated from PCA and PCC, worked at Abeka and now go to therapy once a week to unpack all of it lol
Fun fact! They named it A Beka not just after Bekah Horton, but because it would be one of the first companies in the phone book alphabetically.
Also Arlin Horton remarried a public school teacher but no one talks about that lol
I went to Liberty and graduated in 1997. At the time when I was a junior they told us they may not have been accredited! Thankfully they resolved it. Prior to this I always went to public schools. I have not steered my kids to go to Christian private schools because of this experience. They were very strict. For me at the time I needed some structure. I didn’t hate my experience but I made a decision after spending so much money not to go to a Christian school again.
A couple things (from a BJU (lol) grad):
1) The school actually fired GRACE halfway through their investigation, then rehired then after significant backlash
2) their art museum is the only saving grace
3) I regret going there every. Damn. Day.
Me too had serious issues there.
Amen. It was truly a nightmare
You’re not alone. I did get expelled once, and then I went back. Ace, married out of college, not good.
I was homeschooled with Abeka! I was also very lonely and depressed at the time, because I had no friends. I also didn't learn about evolution until college. I'm getting a PhD now so at least I turned out ok lol
So happy to hear that.
Congratulations! I'm so proud of you for coming so far! As someone who suffers from depression, this is such an achievement that I hope to come close to one day!
I remember finding out I was related to Oral Roberts and wondering if I could get a scholarship for that as a joke. Years later I learned more about him and that part of my family, and felt nothing but shame and anger. It's fucking wild to be raised pagan by my parents only to learn I am related to a famous televangelist, that's why I'm living my best gay trans pagan life to spite the bastards
Ever since the Lawson Bates debacle,
I feel so much appreciation for the effort that James and Jen put into this channel and this community. Particularly as someone who’s hard of hearing, I really value the things that make engaging in their content more accessible. The fact that there’s accurate subtitles immediately means I can watch and engage at the same time as everyone else lol Aside from that, as a queer person, I feel there’s such a cultivated sense of acceptance towards all types of people here. I am so grateful for how accommodating the language/actions/behavior of the community on this channel is towards the broad spectrum of people that may find themselves here :) peace and love on planat earthh
im also hard of hearing and really appreciate the subtitles! its crazy how many things (not just youtube videos) have inaccurate or completely unreadable subtitles
Wait fr what Lawson bares debacle
I have trouble differentiating different sounds so I rely on subtitles often and I can fully agree that they’re often incorrect…. I also love that they don’t intersperse their clips with music either, it just makes everything so much clearer for me
@@gigilulu86him and his family copyright claimed every single thing from her Bates episode and nearly got the channel shut down. No doubt because they were mad that the clips put on Fundie Fridays got more views that from their sites😂😂😂
There is never an excuse for racism. However, I would say students who were unable to attend BJU on racial grounds, dodged a bullet. This guy is revolting. Pleased I didn't have to interview him. Larry King did a great job at not strangling him.
If I remember correctly, Bob Jones was part of the Old Independent Fundamentalist Baptists, the same movement Jack Hyles of Indiana was from. Hyles had a Mussolini-style mannerism in how he ran his ministry, and a squad of goons to commit mafia-like intimidation tactics.
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@@dominicfucinari1942 oh, great! He sounds like a lot of fun 🤦♀️. A real keeper.😳🙄
Sometimes diversity isn’t needed
They did the black people a favor!!!!! Trust me Blacks get no education and whites get BAD EDUCATION
Hi, don't know if you'll see this, but I'm so grateful for everything you two do. Thank you also for your supportive comment a while back on my To Train Up A Child video...I have taken a break for my mental health, but your consistent presence here has helped me more than I can put into words. Your channel is a big part of what has helped motivate me to heal myself, and prepare to tell more of my own story.
Anyways, y'all rock
I went to a Christian Bible College my freshman year of college (I am now a 5th year senior at a public university). My experience there was so horrible that I entered the worst depression of my entire life, even though I had dealt with extreme depression before. At the end of the day, I have always been surprised that i was able to get out of that college alive. I am not even over exaggerating. I don't like to talk about my time there much, because it was so traumatic for me, but whenever I discuss the rules with people who have never heard of how strict and overwhelming these colleges can be, I always get a baffled response, and I thought I would share some of them here.
Upon enrolling, each student must sign a contract which states verbatim that we will not have sexual encounters, that we will not drink any alcohol on or off campus, that we will not do any drugs on or off campus, that we will not vape or smoke on or off campus, and that we face expulsion if we are caught doing any of those things. I was an eighteen year old with a serious boyfriend (who is now my husband). Because the pressure of purity was so intense on students, most students ended up getting married within a few months of meeting a member of the opposite sex. This was because they wanted to have sex, but also because getting married was the only way that one could move off of campus, and the most recent dorms had been built in the 1970s, and had never been updated. (Interesting place to note that the school also had one single handicap-accessible building and it was neither a dorm nor the cafeteria which was the only source of food because it was in a tiny town of a little over 1,000 people and there was literally no grocery stores and just a singular subway to eat at besides the college cafeteria). Each dorm was gender specific, and each had their own visiting hours. In my womans dorm, men could visit between the hours of 2-11 pm and if they were in your room you MUST keep a shoe in the door so that it is not closed. My husband would come visit me and be forced to sleep in his car because I had no money for a hotel room the next town over and because I could get kicked out if it was discovered that he had spent the night in my dorm, even though we were not sexually active at the time. Further, 16 chapel times were required each semester (and our preacher got fired for being racist in one of his sermons, only after protests rose from students of color). If someone got pregnant out of wedlock, they were kicked out. If someone came out as LGBTQ+, they were kicked out. If someone celebrated their 21st birthday by having a margarita at a restaraunt and the school found out about it, they were kicked out. We weren't allowed to watch anything R-rated, even in our own dorm rooms, and getting caught doing so would be a fine or worse. It was not a college. It was a prison. And it was terrible. I don't miss it even for a second. It has the lowest student retention rate of any school in Kansas, with only 42% of students staying between their freshman and sophomore years. I know two people who graduated instead of either transferring or dropping out of school completely. It was a hellhole, literally, where they liked to pretend they were morally righteous, though they lied to get you there, stole your money, and generally worked to make you feel like the worst sinner on Earth and that you were doomed to Hell because you could never do anything correctly. Escaping that place saved my life.
Holy hell. That's sounds brutal. I wouldn't last 2 seconds there. Who am I kidding, I'd have never been accepted ! So glad you escaped
Was it Sterling College in KS? That's where my brother went. He drank underage in the dorms though and never got in trouble.
@@LostSleepFoundSheep it is. I think it depends on dorm management and ras and such for how things are enforced.
What stuns me is none of the behaviors you mention are Biblically acceptable anyway. So, why would a true Christian who has repented and turned to Christ want to return to such behaviors? Christian schools should ask each potential student if they truly believe in wanting to follow Jesus and live a life sin-free as much as possible to honor Christ. Seems a lot of people just want to follow their old nature and continue in their own hedonistic practices which Jesus condemned. He said, "Go and sin no more."
I'm late to the party here, but the "jeans that went down to your vulva" comment made me do a spit take with my tea. I laughed the entire time I was cleaning off my screen. I love this channel & your humor so much.
One of my close ex-friends went to Liberty. One of the vividest memories I have of her family is me chilling with her in the basement of her house while her mom threw a tantrum upstairs because California legalized queer marriage.
I’m from Pensacola. I went to PCA for a year. It was honestly traumatic. You have to sign these contracts saying you won’t dance, wear pants, listen to secular music etc even when you’re at home. When I was 4 I was sent home because my skirt had a tiny slit in the side. Also everyone in Pensacola hates the PCC students because they stand on the corners & yell scripture at people. It’s basically a cult.
You cant dance?!! Someone needs to get Kevin Bacon there stat!
i go to pcc currently, and is that really us on the corners? omfg. i always look away bc it's just embarrassing but oh my god no.
i did the PCA homeschool program for my whole life, kindergarten to 12th grade and i can tell how strict they were 🙃 i am so glad my parents didn’t make me go to PCC when i graduated.
A Beka Academy homeschooling program from K5-12th. Full blown indoctrination.
I went to UMobile (a Southern Baptist affiliated university) and we talked about how weird PCC was.
Gotta love james coming in to yell for a minute and then promptly exiting stage left 😂😂😂
Her face at the boobs comment 🥰..love them!
🤣🤣🤣🤣
With "Nice boobs, btw" being his exiting line 😂
I’m a third generation former BJU student. The stories I could tell… I’ve been WAITING for this one. I know Erin and have heard so many stories. Incredibly traumatizing.
Does that mean your grandparents and parents started attending and then quit?
I love that you're highlighting Ellie and Ex-Fundie Diaries. Her channel is so refreshing to me. I didn't grow up in a fundie household, but I did grow up in a house where both of my parents worked nightshift. The people who watched me while my parents were at work were fundies. I got a glancing blow of fundamentalism with a side of AWANA. Ellie talks a lot about the deprivation and isolation that I experienced staying with my neighbors. I don't miss those neighbors. One of their girls got married, had a quiverful of kids, and moved to Arizona so her husband could work for a mercenary group that patrols the US border.
I just know those parents that homeschooled to "show their kids the world" think that boating around Florida, going to Disney World, and vacationing at Myrtle Beach is soooo enriching and a chance for them to experience the world lmfao
Actually as someone who was homeschooled (albeit very good academically that we both have graduate degrees from state universities), yea Disney movies weren’t allowed at home 😂
If only I was boating around and going to Disney World. My homeschool life involved having mennonite curriculum shoved in front of me every day then left to my own devices for hours, and taking care of starving goats which my dad could not afford to feed nor be assed to care about the health of anyway.
My thought was if they did travel internationally, proselytization was on the agenda.
More enriching than sitting at a desk 6-7 hours a day. Humans were not created to sit.
Right? You know those kids aren’t getting any worldly education.
We occasionally got students from Liberty competing in events at my college when they decided to mingle with us heathens, and a lot of them are so poorly equipped to interact with anything involving the secular world that you really can't help but feel kind of bad for them. I feel like it's not widely addressed how severely growing up in these conservative/evangelical communities can stunt your social development and skills.
Yeah it’s fucking rough, I grew up super conservative and was homeschooled until I was a junior in high school. I took some classes at a community college and figured out how behind I was at life. I ran off to the army and holy shit the culture shock was real, but it was the best thing I could have done
I met a lot of Liberty students volunteering cause I live in the same city as the school and you're right. There is something just kinda off about them, at least the most fanatic of them, and I can't put my finger on exactly what
@@maristiller4033 it was the same when I took a tour of a Christian college with my youth group, idk what it was but they were just not all there somehow if that makes sense
@@annikkirahko6714 Yeah I remember a couple of them being shocked I wasn't going to Liberty for college. I was like lol lmao naw I gotta get out of here
Then children and teens should be taken out of these evangelical movements' custody. Parent sovereignty is not an excuse to deliberately stunt their development for such malicious ends.
Crown College staff: We want to represent ALL of history.
Me: Does that include perspectives from people of color?
Crown College: No, not that. I didn't say ALL of history.
When that president was talking about representing history, I was thinking that following that thought, Germany should display Hitler statues and other Nazi memorials as that's part of their history too.
I just read that during the American Revolution Washington's troops tore down a statue of George III in New York during a riot, does he intend to put something like that in his college too?
@@susanbowman2731 I think the crazy thing is that Germany constantly apologizes for the atrocities they committed. Their museums give the message “never again.” America, on the other hand, glorifies the confederacy and the “Southern way of life.”
@@laurenconrad1799 Oh, Germany never paid close to a damn enough. They have their constant apologia, "muh Wehrmacht dindu nuffin" and covered for the majority of Nazis (as they were all running the FRG) but they're still better than America in a bunch of ways.
My parents retired in Pensacola after I graduated high school. I’ve only met one PCC student, but he told me the students there call it “Pensacola Concentration Camp”
Can't say I am surprised.
We always heard that growing up too!
My sister attended Pensacola Christian College in 1996. she was almost expelled from the school and chose to leave on her own after She and a few friends were caught going to a movie. they did finish out the semester. My sister had to change dorm rooms because she could no longer room with my best friend and they weren’t even allowed to speak to each other for the rest of the semester one day in church. They ended up accidentally sitting in the same row on opposite ends, and they got called into the office and we’re scolded and accused of doing it on purpose
I'm still tripping over my brain about the man from the Clown College saying that we need to teach all sides of history, including the dark and insidious bits of white heroes and culture and then turn around and say no, we can't teach about slavery and racism in America and CRT is the worst possible thing. I...its the same thing. Its the same picture, Creed. I'm just...absolutely baffled.
"Everything about being a slave sucked. Except for slave rollercoaster."
I just wondered this VERY TOPIC, SAME THOUGHT!! Don't want one trickle of White history to get lost but SCREW anybody else's history. Don't want it. It's insane the mental gymnastics going into this....unless it's evil though. That takes no effort for these POSs.
@@MK_ULTRA420 what is slave roller coaster?
@@soothingmusic4256the slave rollercoaster was a roller coaster the slaves could ride that was made entirely out of slaves. it was significantly slower than the one the slave master would ride, and tracks intermingled.
I’m going to start saying “shine on you crazy mormons” regularly to all my friends regardless of if they’re Mormon or not.
I'm so glad you started by going over accreditation. I think it is something that a lot of people don't know about. I talk to a lot of exFundies and it is always so fucked up how many of them have useless degrees from Fundie schools. It is just another way to keep Fundies in Fundie circles because only a Fundie will recognize their degree.
As an indigenous woman all I can think when I see these "schools" is big colonizer energy🤢🤮
The Jerry Falwell Jr scandal was pretty hilarious not gonna lie...I love seeing judgemental hypocrites taken down by their own actions🤣
Great analogy. This is going to stick with me.
yup, though evangelicals really love their imperialism and colonialism.
That's a fascinating perspective. I never quite thought of it that way.
Bob Jones Homesat teachers used to brag about how many people were watching their classes. They used to tell the lucky students who could call in to be careful what they said because "unsaved people might be listening".
I wanted to tell them to quit asking such dumb questions (deliberately wasting class time), so that maybe my Algebra teacher could get around to explaining the new material 🙄
Yes, that was sweet 😋
As someone who went to PCC (and dropped out lmao) the big three reasons people went were definitely the fact that it was cheap, the lie that it’s accredited, and yes the facilities… ie. water slides, dining halls, bla bla bla lol. As someone who was told “pick a Christian college, it seemed like the best option. I do appreciate this video, because my sister is going to college soon, and she is being pressured to go to a Christian college as well. I used to tell her “I hated it but it wasn’t that bad for an accredited Christian school if that’s what you’re looking for” knowing the fact they’re not required to report and they’re not really accredited is an eye opener. So thank you for this video. The hypocrisy in these institutions is so evident with the blatant lies and hiding abuse all while preaching “the gospel” it’s so sad to know that for so many people this is their best option, and even sadder many people have no option at all.
Thank you so much for speaking out about these schools. I went to BJU for 1 year and came within seconds of commiting suicide. Thankfully my roommate walked in and didn't see the handful of pills in my hand or at least didn't say anything if she had seen them. I realized halfway through the year that I was definitely bisexual and probably an Atheist. I saw girls kicked out of there with no money or transportation. Thankfully there are kind members in the Greenville area that are willing to help if you get kicked out, but obviously that could become a very dangerous situation if you trust the wrong person. I still have nightmares almost 20 years later about the things that happened to me and others during that year.
So sorry you had to endure that. Hope you're alright now.
@@pickledragonrebel Other than the nightmares I'm doing a lot better now and have been able to help others escape the cult like churches that feed BJU. It feels so good to know that these kids won't have to go through the stuff that I did.
I went to school just down the road from good ol' BJU at Furman University (hilariously, FU). At the time, BJU had a huge Spanish art exhibit at the Museum & Gallery on their campus. My friend and I learned that we could get extra credit in our Spanish Lit class for heading over and writing a short recap of the exhibit.
Though both straight, we decided to go together in shorts and tank tops and hold hands the entire time. No one approached us, but we sure got a lot of looks and disapproving head shakes. It was 2001 and we didn't care. Screw them and their judgemental BS.
I graduated from Furman in 2019. Proud to say that y’all’s story lives on and the tradition continues (when their art galleries are open that is, they were closed for renovations for a while).
I went to Wofford and same - we would go over there (the museum) for extra credit. Our professors always gave us a whole run down of what to wear.
A few months after I got kicked out of a northern Bible college with the same rules as BJU, I witnessed two guys skipping across the bridge over the local community college's pond, holding hands and singing. To this day, I have no idea if they were gay or straight. I just know it was the most freeing, precious thing I ever saw.
BJ you and Eff You?
These are all on purpose, aren't they?
hi fellow FU grad!
ANNNNNNNNNNNND, he still never explained why interracial dating wasn’t permitted at the university!
As a mother of a biracial child, he can go kick rocks…with bare feet!!!
They are insane maybe USA No Americas itself is a lost cause.
Went to Bob Jones back in 98, they were all proud of finally lifting the restriction of interracial dating, but it was only for foreign students who had no choice but date another race. This was a talking point when visiting the campus over Easter. Also, I was so sheltered growing up, I had no idea why everyone would giggle when I said I went to BJU. A friend eventually had mercy and explained what a bj was. the guys in my friend group were impressed there was a whole school to learn this skill!
Wow, what a trip that place must’ve been.
When I get bored I like to look up the rule books for strict Baptist colleges like Pensacola. It is absolutely insane. Some schools have maps drawn on where people of the opposite sex can walk together and men and women can't use the same elevators
That snitch culture is no joke. I went to a fundie Christian college (not one mentioned) and they campus police (campus police was all students and their supervisor was a retired cop) to go to parties in plain clothes and bust students for drinking. The other thing my college would do would be to say if one student broke a rule, if their roommate said nothing, the roommate would also be punished (loss of scholarship, off campus suspension, expulsion, etc.) so roommates were incentivized to snitch all the time.
How very fascist of them
Ex Fundie Diaries is an amazing channel! They're so honest, and in my opinion they're one of the bravest people out there. They actually read their cringy teenage diary entries and show their home videos.I would die on the spot if I did that. They're well worth a subscription and a full watch through of their back catalog.
You and James make my day. So my son, who is a senior in high school this year. He is a star baseball player and has had colleges looking at him for a bit. So he was offered a full scholarship from none other than Liberty. I just sat there stunned. I have raised my son to make his own choices and to be his own person. I do not want him to be a clone of me. Anyway ... He thankfully made the right choice and told them no thank you, he didn't want to play baseball for or go to a college like Liberty and that they really didn't want him because he would be fined and on probation or suspension all the time because he was not a fundie or a right winger. Very proud Momma moment. He also was looked at by BYU because their pitching coach is related to my cousin's husband. Thankfully the D1 school my son wanted has offered him a partial scholarship. I just keep saying let's get through his senior year.
Keep up the good work with the great videos.
I don't have any anecdotes that I personally experienced, because I kicked LDS to the curb well before I was a legal adult. However, I used to work with what we lovingly used to refer to as the Trinity Baptist Trio in a previous job. 2 girls and 1 boy, about 19 or 20. They'd all been hired together, for the same call center roll, all went to Trinity Baptist College, and were all a bit...special. There's two stories I hold with me to this day. One is infuriating and the other is just unimaginably sad.
The male of this group was easily the most obnoxious SOB I ever met, judgmental as hell. And if you ever wondered if these colleges actually foster racism or not, here you go. So we worked in a big 18 story office building with many companies and a fancy main floor foyer that sometimes hosted events. One day we came down after work together, there was a MASSIVE birthday bash being held for somebody who was black. I don't know the context beyond that, but being a birthday party, it naturally included this person's very large extended family and likely friends. Who were all mostly black. And the dude gets REALLY angry and angrier still as he keeps walking and commenting about it outside to the parking lot. About how it was "disgusting" that someone was holding a party for "only black people" and how they likely would have beat him up for being white and just being there if there was no security, and on and on, lots of other really insane ideas he was coming up with in his own head, becoming a victim of a made-up scenario, and honestly it really freaked me out. I tried explaining that a black person's family is likely to mostly be black, but nope. They were violent and anti-white thugs. Holding a birthday party. I legitimately became scared of him that day for fear of what other crap he'd act out on if given the chance.
The much sadder story is that of one of the girls, who was maybe the least pious of the bunch. But incredibly sweet. She would often confide in me about sensitive things after I told her I'd left the LDS church, because I would never make fun of her or report her to the authorities at Trinity Baptist. I thought she was being overly paranoid about that, but no, turns out she got expelled from her semester for texting a guy. At 19. Who was suicidal and she was trying to talk him down, nothing sexual about it. She was inconsolable for days because part of the punishment in addition to that was being forced to delete the guy's phone number in front of the school's counselor. So she had no idea if he was even OK, and this was before social media was quite the juggernaut it is now. I tried telling her how freaking insane this all was, and she did nothing wrong, but I think she was as much ashamed of herself as she was worried about the guy, which is sad beyond belief. I did my best to try to get her to make me a middle-man or something just to ease her mind, but she never did. And we all got laid off not long after that, so I have no idea what became of it, but I honestly still think about her a lot, and hope she's OK. And got out.
I went to high school outside P-Cola in the mid 90s, and the PCC folks are whackadoo. Students would congregate en masse in the Cordova Mall food court. There, they’d burst out into singing hymns or approaching people to preach to them. Usually, this resulted in the normies clearing out of the area quickly. We learned that the words “I’m Catholic” made them scatter to the wind. None of us where Catholic, and most of us weren’t even religious at all.
One interaction that stood out was the kid who talked about how addicted to pr0n he was and how PCC helped save him from his addiction. We listened and realized that he didn’t have an addiction. It was a normal interest in pr0n, but his parents forced him to PCC and religious camps in panic. I felt so bad for the kid.
And, when I started homeschooling my son, my mom sent me the whole 5th grade Abel’s Curriculum. My son was already an avowed atheist at a young age, so that got donated to the local fundie homeschool co-op.
As a homeschooler there is one thing about everyone who used different curriculum, for example, I used Bob Jones University. No matter what one you used, we always had pity on the kids who had to use A Beka. That's how heinous it was
Yeah I am currently being forced to use bju's curriculum and even my parents thought Abeka was bad
My super religious all girls high school also had “science” in it’s title, and I majored in biology. My senior year we learned genetics, and my teacher started the first lesson with “we all KNOW god created the world and all of it’s created creatures in completion, but some people BELIEVE in evolution and they’re wrong”, and then we learned about genes and alleles and stuff. It was so weird
Your high school had majors?
@@trystero1729 right I've never heard of that but I wonder if it's a state by state difference or if it's a private school thing
@@trystero1729 my school has majors, we had like 18 choices and we decided our sophomore year and started our major classes junior year onwards
@@kekeliamekudzi4948 I wish my high school had been like that :/ I had to teach myself everything I was interested in. I live in the US and went to public school, so it might be different if you attend private school or are in another country. I’m not super well informed about those systems
@@trystero1729 I went to a public school in New York City, and the system was actually kinda annoying because it kind of locked you into your major so it limited exploration. Most of the majors in my school were science and engineering related because it was technical school, I think we had a total of 3 non stem majors available. I did love my major though but I think a lot of us could have benefited with the opportunity to explore instead of locking ourselves into things like chemical engineering or law so early.
I'm glad someone talked about abeka. My parents homeschooled me and my sisters with that curriculum from k-5. I remember that there was a whole chapter in the science textbooks talking shit about evolution and attacking Darwin as a person. The reading textbooks also had a lot of stories about the evils of communism lol
Did 2-4th grade on Abeka; definitely agree that their Science & History books are INSANE.
One Bob Jones textbook had the words "Hoax", "Fake", and "Scam" written in capital red letters of illustrations of the Piltdown Man and a couple of other early homo sapiens. Every other sentence in the text box below was a contradiction.
Mind, this was highschool biology, not a book meant for literal-minded 8-year-olds. Good luck thinking critically and independently after that!
@@lowyieldforeffort6996 And these are the same people shrieking at Ed Board Meetings about the "CRT" boogeyman...WTH.
Did I hear this correctly: the girl who was raped, the POLICE OFFICER called her school and snitched on her for drinking alcohol?
This has happened to particularly girls, and I can't even imagine what the boys have gone through, in all of the world throughout all history. The women have always been blamed whether in religious, secular, work, and even familial settings. All of the public schools in my area have adopted an in house approach to "problems" that arise. Meaning they won't call the police. My fifth grade son was stabbed with a protractor repeatedluly, years ago now, and they acted like I was the problem for wanting to know what type of disciplinary action was taken. Not that I even wanted extreme measures. But as his mom that's my job. The entire system is a huge problem no matter where you go.
Yeah. Welcome to purity culture…which is worse than rape culture.
It’s particularly shitty but not at all surprising, sadly
That story about the BJU undergrad assaulted by a grad student really hit home for me. I didn't go to any of the schools mentioned in this video, but I did go to a similarly sketchy religious college in Texas for my undergrad, and at my very first paid job (as a early-20s junior in college), I was semi-stalked and harassed by a male student at least 10 years my senior. What's worse, I had to see him almost every day after that until the day I graduated. BTW, the school I went to was Title IX exempt, and they got that exemption while I was a student there.
My younger sister matriculated to PCC, about the same time as my younger brother enlisting in the Army. During the Winter break,i had a chance to see PCCs handbook and bros Army training manual. IMO, the Army was easier on its recruits.
It’s pretty bad when the freaking army is easier on it’s recruits than anything really
I REALLY need to add one of the funniest thing involved with PPC. My sister's sophmore year, she was given the mailbox 666. She and my mom freaked out and got it changed. Personally I thought she was a real wuss. It would've been funny and metal as hell. Goody-two-shoes in action.
@@PokemonRules333Well the Army does start with the opinion that the recruits are all at least chornologically, adults.
I went to college in Lynchburg, and Liberty students were/are constantly transferring to the other colleges in the area due to racism, homophobia, and sexual assaults. There have even been 'jane doe' accounts popping up on instagram that detail the abuse that students have experienced there that falls on deaf ears or that they even receive punishment for. It's very, very sad. Despite Liberty's recent moves to appear more tolerant and inclusive, there's still so much going on behind the curtain. Although, it was hilarious to have Falwell Jr.'s scandals be the talk of the town for a few months - people were so scandalized literally no one could stop talking about it.
my ex friend went to Liberty and i was horrified. Although looking back on it I dont know why I was so surprised when her mom literally threw a tantrum over gay marriage.
@@straberryshinigami15g97 Yeah, that sounds about right. So sorry your old friend's mom sucked lmao. Honestly, most liberty students are bigotry stans or they/their parents get lured in because of the wild amount of financial aid Liberty offers. Like, liberty was an option for me - not because I wanted to go, but because I was poor and they make a lot of big promises to VA residents. Tbh they take on financial aid in a predatory way just like the military does.
I’ve always homeschooled my kids. I create their own curriculum bc like 99% of homeschool curriculum is super heavy on the religion conservative, and just factually wrong. It’s funny when people ask my kids where they go to school, and they tell them and promptly follow it up with “we’re not that kind of homeschool family.”
In Britain, home-schooling is controlled by the Government inspectorate, and all students have to do Government tests every year, and keep files of work for the inspectorate to see. Religious schools are allowed but are also vetted by the Government Inspectors and Church Inspectors. They have to take the same exams at 11, 16 and 18. Post 18 Colleges and Graduate Schools can only award Degrees verified by the major academic Universities. Christian Unions, Jewish Societies, Buddhist Societies are allowed as regular Societies in the secular universities , just like any other student societies.
Princess Elena of Spain attended Exeter University in the late 80s, to study for an MA. She was a member of the Christian Union and spoke about abortion rights at the Sunday Night Open Meetings. She had a flat in the same student block as my son . The only time that Police guards were seen was when Prince Charles came to visit her . Otherwise she was a normal student .
@@sheilanixon913 this tracks with my friend's experience giving birth to four of her kids at home in Germany. Midwives who deliver babies at home are very supported but also well-regulated in Germany, and this has led to lower child mortality. Give me a hospital birth and a big old epidural every time, but it's important for people to have other options and to keep those options safe and available.
@@sheilanixon913 most states in the US require testing and reports on homeschooled children but the level of enforcement of the basic standards of education varies by state and even within them down to the county or school district level. It's a very fragmented system that is easy for religious zealots to exploit
I, too, homeschool my four children - about 10 miles from Patrick Henry College. We get mistaken for isolationist Christians all the time. I’ve been doing this for more than a decade, but I started caring more about what others thought once Trump waxed on the scene. I still haven’t found the right language. Sometimes I say we’re “secular homeschoolers.” Sometimes “non religious homeschoolers.” I would like a better phrase. In the meantime, I put a big ole progress-flag (LGB/Trans/BLM) heart on the back of our minivan.
@@ThePopopotatoes l wonder if communists can do the same thing
Omg I forgot it was Friday I’m so excited, it’s like a surprise 🤩
Yesss haha me almost every week loll
I got scholarships to go to a “secular” college and my fundie school principal and his wife tried to get me to change my mind and go to Pensacola. It was always gonna be a no from me. Several of my classmates went, though. 😬
I have a colleague who used Patrick Henry to bust her gay brother out of her quiverful family home. She got into grad school because the grad school didn't realize the accreditation issues, got a PhD, then a job as a professor, and took her brother out with her. She's my hero. Her family would only let her go to a conservative 'Christian ' college, so it was her only option.
As a homeschool mom, when I meet someone who used Christian Light or Abeka, I run the other way. 🏃♂️
I’ve always felt uncomfortable about curriculum questions because our family mostly unschools. It hadn’t occurred to me that it’s a quick way of sussing out ideologies. Is that why it’s one of the first questions other homeschoolers often ask? Now I will pay more attention to the answers!
I actually went to Oral Roberts University and it's funny. It's both more normal and way crazier than you'd think all at the same time lol. Like when I enrolled in 2009 not only did we have a curfew, but girls' curfew was 30 mins earlier. I was told the reason was so guys could walk the girls to their dorm at night. How chivalrous 😂. To their credit they did eventually fix that.
Ask someone who went to a public college, my mind boggles at curfews for grown adults who are paying for their education 🤔
If money weren't an issue, I'd be very tempted to attend one of these colleges just to see how many rules I can break before they get wise and kick me out
When I went girls were the only ones with curfew. We had boys bring us Taco Bell to the fish bowl, but we had to go right back up to the rooms. I got kicked out after a year. Honestly tho, it was my most fun year of college I had. Maybe the rule breaking made it adventurous 😃
@@hellomynamesninooo6017 It wouldn't be hard to get kicked out lol. Just openly do drugs or alcohol. My impression was 1/3 of the kids were really trying their best to follow the rules, 1/3 didn't care about breaking the rules and 1/3 just wanted to look like they weren't breaking any rules haha.
@@t_ylr lol yes but the goal is to do as much as possible before I get kicked out. I'd take their rulebook and make it into a checklist lol
I live near Liberty University, born and raised in Lynchburg and watched how this school became MASSIVE. While I know some people who have genuinely enjoyed the experience, and have taken a lot of good stuff from the school, so many others have been chewed up and spit out by them. The racism and homophobia is ramped there, but they cover it up so well that a lot of people don't know how bad it is unless you talk to people that go there. And, from personal experience, a lot of men there are so far down the misogynistic rabbit hole it's scary. And there are an ungodly amount of sexual assault cases there, whereas rather than help those that have been assaulted - they blame the victim. I personally despise that school and the things they continue to let happen again again there. But I sincerely hope that the people who go there have a good experience and not be dragged down.
I love ex-fundie diaries! She's so brutally honest- a collab would be cool!
I went to a Christian High School and 75% of our text books were the Bob Jones homeschool text books for stuff like English, History, and Science. I think only our Math textbooks were McGraw-Hill. When it came time to apply to colleges all of the staff pushed super hard for us to apply to Liberty and Anderson University and I found out after I graduated that the school got financial compensation for every graduating student who went to one of their schools.
I was violently abused by students from Bob Jones University. I had the horrible misfortune of growing up across the street from BJU. And boy do I have stories about what goes on there.
Who and when? I was born there in 1981
My condolences 🤍
I remember reading about the number of times per week you had to attend chapel at one of these schools. I thought, when do you have time to do homework? It sounds like they wanted to make sure every second of your life is accounted for so you have no time to think your own thoughts.
Or do something naughty *gasp*
@@2degucitas Page 57 of the honor code: don't have sex outside marriage (unless you're assaulting someone).
This!! Or hang out with friends or do anything like I liked the little walk to downtown…
As an alumnus of one of them, you are correct, taking up all the students' time is a big part of attending one. B.I.T.E. model anyone? It is also a clever way of filtering out people who have to also work many hours, or have disabilities, or family needs, or any other concern with meeting all those extra requirements, on top of being a full time student.
The chapel requirement was actually my least concern of the several, at ours it was just a once weekly thing that was about 90 minutes. No real requirement to pay attention, but it wasn't a place anyone could be comfortable or hide out in, if you needed some kind of privacy or felt ill. (I didn't know I was nuerodivergent at the time, either.)
For me, the "Christian" service hours requirement was hardest to fulfill. We had to have 30 hours per semester (for half of our total semesters there) wherein we served in some sort of manner to the community. The service hours had to be completed during the semester at hand (not summer or winter break). And of course all service has to be observed and signed off on by a staff member or student worker of the college. So hey it's cool and all if you go feed some hungry people and care for the elderly and sick all by yourself, but it doesn't count. But, sure, knocking back a bunch of hours by answering phones for a whole shift at the funding telethon of the national Christian radio company within sight of the campus, that counts. Oh and transportation time doesn't count either, which further keeps all the service real close to the school (really wealthy suburbs.) And students without cars/ability to drive (in a very high car dependency area) better get good at doing whatever is offered to them and tagging along with students who do.
Thanks so much for the content! As someone born and raised in Lynchburg, seeing the truth about LU come out to the public is so satisfying! Slowly watching the monopoly and hold LU has on the area fall away is a much needed and amazing feeling. The art/music/nature community is thriving and expanding as people are able to actually express themselves more and not feel oppressed by LU and the Falwells/their ridiculous standards and rules for everyone here in town. Downtown has always been a hub for anything creative and actually interesting because somehow it has kept itself mostly out of the Liberty grasp. Anyway, thanks to you both for always enlightening the public! Much love!
I have a friend who is going there to law school (she is Black and Not Conservative lol) and I was wondering if you know of any places I can recommend her to check out as safe spaces or places to meet people who aren't fundies?
@@caitieeeee Downtown has plenty of places that are friendly and open to all! Loving Co. is a coffee shop that are all about being accepting and loving to everyone- just came to mind because my partner played a show there recently! Montana Plains Bakery in Wyndhurst has great people and a cool art gallery is upstairs! The Lynchburg Community Market downtown is awesome and accepting- love it there however there is an old man who stands outside a lot and yells bs at everyone about how we are all going to hell lol. He is to be ignored- but other than that the market is awesome! One last place is the Madison House of the Arts which is a really neat place that supports all communities- it’s a safe sober space! They do have bible study stuff some days but they’re not super weird or anything like a lot of the radicals around town.
Honestly I recommend your friend look up local shops, events, restaurants, cafes, etc. on social medias- they usually have in their bios what they are all about and it’s kinda easy to tell based on that whether it’ll be chill or not! Not to be rude but if the place’s social medias are super Christian based it’s probably going to be pretty awkward there as that’ll be where the racist, homophobic, transphobic, classist people will be lurking lol 👀
Hope that helps and sorry about the length of it!
My grandparents and aunt lived in Lynchburg and I attended college at SBC, so I was always very aware of the Skullduggery the Falwells and their school were getting up to. It’s infuriating how much they get away with even now.
@@lauradietrich6736 ugh it’s the worst, even when the Falwells or LU is in deep doodoo in national news, here in Lynchburg everybody acts like nothing is wrong and the Failwells are still gods golden children. Even as a child I saw how hypocritical it all was, but these people have blinders on!
@@IsabelKidd what gets me the most, if I had to pick one thing (so many to choose from!) is how little respect and consideration they have for everyone around them. I’ll never forget going to visit my aunt as a kid and stepping out onto her deck in the morning and seeing the huge LU on Candler’s mountain for the first time. It made my blood boil then and it still does even now. They literally denuded part of the mountain just to put that up-no regard for the mountain itself or anyone else-after being told they couldn’t officially rename the mountain. I know it’s far from the worst thing they’ve ever done, but it’s so emblematic of the deeper hypocrisy, self-centeredness, and just flat-out mean-spiritedness that runs through them.
I’m from the Florida Panhandle and two of my high school teachers went to PCC and were basically told they weren’t true Christian’s for wanting to teach in the public school system. Also, I went to another Christian college in the Panhandle and when my school played PCC in volleyball, the girls wore super short shorts and we were all amazed based on their rules. We also joked nonstop about how much of a cult they are. You know it’s bad when another conservative Christian college is making fun of how conservative they are…
In the interview with Larry King, not only does Bob Jones look like He's going to cry, but physically breakdown with the sudden realization that He fucked up.
I remember when religious private school kids got sent to my high school for freshman year. I went to public school and when I saw my fellow classmates who migrated from the private school, I was shocked to see they were clones. All of them wore the same types of outfits (even similar color schemes), had the same haircuts, and all kept to themselves. Some of them even would sit in for each other during classes a joke because they all looked the same. On our first day, one of them asked me after morning announcements, “When is prayer?” And I was like “Never????? TF?? But, I guess do it if ya wanna, homeboy.”
Yeah I went to public schools most of my life but went to a private religious school my final year of high school and the contrast was so stark. There were 300 girls at the private school (800 boys) and only about 10 girls (me being one of them) had mid length hair (either shoulder length or armpit length), all the other girls had waist length hair in the exact same style. At the public school some girls had dyed hair or long hair or short hair or mid length hair and various hairstyle. Also the public school were more lenient in various other ways, the private school felt like military school. The private school had chapel twice a week, no phones aside from designated areas, super unsafe to be lgbt+, ankle length skirts for girls, etc
Also I was the only girl who was remotely alternative/rocker, I wore band t shirts and jeans or plaid pants and most of the other girls wore hoodies and leggings lol
I know someone who went to Pensacola and the women had to wear dresses and skirts below their knees even off campus, had to sign off and had a curfew, they couldn’t go to the beach together and all dates had to be chaperoned.
I wanted to see a friend there and they couldn’t get it signed off because I wasn’t in the school and I wasn’t considered safe.
Pleaseeee do an alex jones episode! That might be perfect for James since he seems to love the political arena!🥰🥰 ps love yall soooo much!!
Yes! People think he's just politics and conspiracy theories, but he rants about the religious stuff a lot and claims to literally see demons.
Yesssssss
He’s gone full doomsday preacher mode
Hope6six, I totally agree!!
I love these episodes, but that is such a reach. This is supposed to be "fundie" as in "Fundamentalists" channel. Or am I mistaken? Obviously they won't touch fundamentalist Jewish schools probably better known as Orthodox Jews (no touching whatsoever before marriage, no touching 2 weeks out of the month due to the wife being "unclean"...no not just sexual touching, but no touching your wife's hand while she writhes in bed with a brutal migraine etc) What about extreme Jihadists? There are so many actual abusive religious cults out there that pervert religion in order to control. You may not like or agree with Alex Jones but calling him a Fundamental Christian is beyond reaching. It seems almost desperate.
I went to Houghton College (a Wesleyan college, fully accredited) and a classmate, who was a transfer, had attended Pensacola, she said she was part of an underground movie sharing network.
I actually thought about going to BJU, glad that was a passing thought.
PCC kicked me out for not attending church enough. They have students and parents stalk you off campus and take pictures of you if you arent wearing their dress code or are with someone. And so much more.
I went to Bob Jones! I’m still working through the trauma, lol.
My amab partner was kicked out of PCC for allegedly going off campus(without signing out of the compound) to a movie(a BIG no-no) with a girl(DOUBLE no-no). When his mom asked why they kicked him out without any evidence, they told her they knew he didn't do anything, but they "needed to make an example out of him."
Please make a video on Abeka curriculum specifically. It's SUCH a deep well of awfulness. I'll bet you can get people to send you their old materials.
You two are a dynamic duo! We're here for it! Love when you redo old videos. Teaching yourself to educate on camera hands on has gotta take a learning curve. Your look today is just adorable. Thanks for all your hard work guys. 👏
Yassss. I went to PCC and was kicked out and blacklisted. Can't wait to watch this.
The Praying Hands were too far apart when initially installed. To move them closer together, they dropped a dollar between them.
You’re welcome.
LOL
For the win!
Arlin and Rebekah combine to make Abeka, so it's not just her name, it's his!
Also, love the energy of yall yelling about how predators should be in prison.
seeing how many are able to avoid prison makes me think maybe the punisher had a point.
Bob Jones talking to Larry king sounded like he was trying to explain quantum physics. He had no idea what he was saying.
Those people can explain physics better than they can explain theology. No, really- I've heard them do both (not Bob Jones 3, but other long-term professors who worked for the school). Shows how messed up their theology is.
these people do the most to avoid being called racist, even when they do the most heinously racist shit. wish larry king would’ve twisted this son of a bitch’s leg a little more to really expose their repulsive ideology for what it is.
I'm so happy you brought up Elly from Ex-Fundie Diaries. She does a lot to educate people about the intricacies of growing up in Christian fundamentalism, and has done so much work on herself while deconstructing. She's great
I attended a fundie-lite university whose most prominent alumnus is Rachel Dolezal. I had a great college experience, but looking back, I'm not happy with my education
This was my comfort video for a while (idk why) and I watched it at least once a week. I freaked out after the original was deleted and thought that I had completely made it up. Thanks Jen for re-uploading it and letting me know I didn't imagine it!
I briefly considered going to Liberty or Patrick Henry because they were so affordable and looked like a perfectly safe haven free from frat boys, drinking culture, etc. Didn’t go, which was probably good. Hindsight is 20/20.
A recruiter from Bob Jones came to the Baptist school I went to every year. My mom wanted me to go there. I mostly ignored everything about it because there was no way in hell I would do that, but here are some things I remember hearing about the place: girls had to wear knee length skirts and panty hose, you weren't allowed to listen to any secular music or have any real internet access, you were only allowed to date in these chaperoned "dating parlors". I also remember hearing that until recently (at the time, before 2010) that they had a big sign denouncing interracial marriage.
Forever grateful that even though my parents put me through a lot of indoctrination, they mostly allowed me to make my own decisions!
All those things are true. Except maybe the sign I don't remember that
It was a great day in my highschool life when the nylon stockings were mixed at BJU/BJA 🤣
About 20 years ago I volunteered my time to work as a parent and former teacher to help get a local charter school open. I could not believe the amount of Mormons and "Christians" that wanted the bible used in the classrooms. I kept telling them that we could not buy bibles and put them in the classroom because it was a public school. I finally just said that if they kept wanting to put bibles in classrooms we would need to also put in all religious works such as the Koran etc.
In high school, a regular old cold prep hs in CA, I reported my history teacher for calling me promiscuous after I disagreed that having sex was wrong. And the counselor said "you know, mr blabblahblah is retiring in two years. You should just let it go."
That was soul-sucking enough but I can't imagine going through what the survivors of SA went through at these colleges.