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Enlightenment is not the end. Life after spiritual awakening.
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2018
- Eric Putkonen talks about how enlightenment is not the end or finishing point. There is always the potential for deeper understanding. Eric speaks a little about life after spiritual awakening.
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When I found your channel I was looking for peace and truth . ..
Then I realize I am the thing I was looking for...
However this is a amazing phenomenon
Is there anything in particular that helped you realize your 'true self'? just curious
Hi. How r u? 🌞Complete surrender or self inquiry.
Absolutely LOVE this video. 😄 In my experience enlightenment is very much the begining. Born again. Start again. This time with eyes Wide Open. 💖🙏💖 🎶Switchin' to glide...🎶
the more i watch your videos, the more glad i am that you aren't dogmatic about discarding everything that isn't "pure being"/the root of reality, but show curiosity towards every scale of reality, without seeing them as mere distractions... i find it sad to stop all curiosity towards the universe at large once you get interested in non-duality!
Great video, Eric! 👍🏼
Thank you, Eric! All of your videos are truly full of love and wisdom.
Beautifully and very simply explained! That's one of the final traps a lot of people probably face.
That the warmth and "love" of living go away with awakening?
Another wonderful transmission.. classic 🏵️
Thank you. So glad you mentioned the samskaras of the body. I'm going through that right now. ❤️
Thanks for keeping it real!😊
Hi there, thanks for this positive video. Made me agree and smile.
Been around a year for me and I gotta admit that I’m often not in a playful mood.
I generally couldn’t care less about what’s going on lol. And I’m thinking about faking it. Getting back into the game of interpreting the shadows in the cave. But it‘s kinda hard when you know that it’s not necessary. I could turn away amid every conversation shrugging and laughing.
I was a good listener before, now I’m just bored or cut people off in order to present my brilliant solution which is always the same, you know what. I mean maybe this illusion was so hardwired that after it was shredded, being in a deeply depressed state of mind for some time before that, I‘m not ready yet to be like hey this is fun. I mean it is generally fun, but I‘m also somewhat bored by it. Also some part of the fun is feeling superior to unconscious people and I feel weak when I recognize that about me due to seeing my inflated ego taking a hold of me. But honestly, I don’t care about my inflated ego. It bores me. I sometimes care about my not caring, reflect about that and amidst that I lose interest. Surely I wouldn’t wanna go back if I could, but nevertheless this also often feels empty. Yea sure, so what. Well I’m just saying. I’ve been reading a lot and getting that I gotta heal, but it‘s been more than a year and I‘m not planning a period of living as a bum or something(like Eckhardt Tolle). I could, in order to get away from working for an unconscious being who will probably hate me long term, because I don‘t give him/her the respect his/her ego needs. Which brings me back to faking it. But it still seems so stupid to me. I could see disrespecting them as a way of being a Guru to him/her. But maybe it just gives pain and I wouldn’t want that for the sake of it. Besides seeing that I’m hurting people all the time and I’m sorry about that but also not, because what does it mean anyways, and I forget so easily these days. Or maybe I’m just inflated and couldn’t work for somebody else. Well let’s get to deflating then, but how, I probably wouldn’t listen. Because I know. And my ego also does.
So I guess I gotta keep telling me that I don’t know to the fullest, yea sure, you never know, right? Gotta get a deeper understanding of unity.. because it’s so complicated lol but yea I just keep asking random questions, get the philosophy going. Get the postponing going lol
Rescuing people also doesn’t seem to work and seeing ego play out in other people and also often enough in me is a bummer. I see through it afterwards and I‘m disappointed at myself while slowly feeling my knowing smile coming up breaking up my oh so deep feeling of shame. Well I had fun writing this ;) thx again for the good video!
fantastic explaination. im feeling the same way as u. im not the only one.
This is literally how I feel
You still believe yourself to be an individual living in a world of other individuals. This is where your chronic recurring issues reside. You never had free will or control. You never existed. You can't stop existing be abuse you never started. You're painting meaning over what is.
that is why the buddhists make vows ... to keep the track while not really being through the whole thing (which is of course no-thing, haha, and more like an endless spiral) and to see others (or better every-thing) as part of yourself.
THIS can be faked at first - just to familiarize yourself with this fact - the fact that there is nothing but you, anyway.
Beautiful
Amazing. Thanks a lot. :-)
Good video, I subscribe now
Beautiful dear ❤
I watched alot of your videos but I still don't understand awakening even though I've been practicing meditation for years now. Could you explain it to me in a way that even a 5 year old could understand it?
A 5-year-old could not understand this. In fact, it is never really understood intellectually. Awakening can only be understood by knowing it directly. Giving you a concept to believe or disbelieve will not help.
You are the peace you seek.
Great video. Thks
Sir what do you say about the countless saints who, after their awakening, make it their mission to share the grace theve recieved. They claim its a necessity to transform the human consciousness. Their approach has a "war" Essence.that the world maya is the enemy needed to be defeated. Their aproach is utterly dualistic. Helping others is something that seems absolutely "obvious" To them. Please help me un derstand, what exactly is their percieved goal?
I don't know their goal. It is not my view...and there could be any number of reasons this view might be adopted. But I will say that as I see it the Way is Love, Truth, Harmony, and Unity. I enjoy spreading these.
Has anyone else who has gone through enlightenment noticed that their old vices make them feel awful? I recently went through an awakening and I see it ALL clear as day now. Prior to my enlightenment I really enjoyed marijuana. I am completely averse to it now. It gives me an ambiguous pain in the middle of my gut. What is happening???
@@MaryGwenDungan thank you for your reply. I’m still averse to the old things I had been doing and I’m truly glad. They weren’t good for me.
I’m still struggling a little with identifying with this body and that’s what is happening now. I’m meditating quite a bit and it definitely helps but when I’m around people who are unconscious I kind of ‘fall back’ for lack of a better word.
Even though we have moments of non dual experience during deep meditations, we are not living in that space constantly. The “I” is still there but it has been ignored as pure delusion, we would caught up in a loop if we start looking for Who is this “I” again. The understanding is there, no samskaras left. what is the point in living this dream of delusion, Is there a way to get to the final destination instead of waiting (even if its playful) since the samskaras are gone if the play of life is no longer interesting?
There is no final destination. The point is to play and experience life...it is about the journey and not a destination.
Enlightenment does not make life no longer interesting...if anything, I find life much more full of wonder, fascination, and awe. It is a subtle "I" that says "this is not interesting". Think of an infant...before the "I" is so solid and complex. Do you not usually see wonder on their faces? It is the faces of adults that look bored and not interested. It is the ego and "I" that is not interested.
@@NondualityChannel well said! 🙏🏽 Thank you 😇
What can I do to awake and know my real self
Try checking out this video - ua-cam.com/video/QBWGxbC7yBk/v-deo.html
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IAM THAT IAM, I EXIST, IWAS NEVER CREATED, IN FACT IAM CREATION IT'S SELF, IAM god AlSO.
Hi bro! Thanks for the video! I have a question.. i am enlightent ^^ and i want to keep playing - but i want to create a loving game ^^ but i still have negative/fearful/limiting emotions and thoughts and projections coming up - and i dont want that anymore, so 'im working through it' - i just thought they would all dissaper when i got enlightent, like the fear of death should be/is the cause of all fear right? Well i know im not afraid
But im not sure what to do 😊❤
- wrote this. Before watching the video and its a perfect video for what i was looking for RN :) thanks!
Do you have any suggestions of how to let go..
I want to stay as the self 'all the time' but when some things come up, it can feel overwhelming/overtaking almost, and i have apperently given my power to it, its mainly coming up from my solar plexus. I feel i (mateus) has a calling to transmite it all and manifest the dream life and dream 'career' like 'helping' others become enlightent!
I wsnt to share now that im at it,, that 2 times now, since my 'ephinany' of enlightenment happened, i have met two people, out of the blue, and i could just sense/feel that they were enlightent as well, and 'i was the one to tell them' and i felt amazing! It was/is so beautiful to see someone who is free but dont 'know' it consciously,, it really feels like its what i kinda? Want to do :D
They got so happy and it was all so serene - they knew what i said was 'for them'
So amazing bro, i cant really describe it other than that rn....
I have another thing i want to ask..
I walk in town, and i feel about people that 'that is not me.' And then as an example, i met that enlightent women yesterday, and i Felt SHE IS ME
I know there isnt any separation and everyone and everything is me.
So rn i see it as,, how people are being? Is not a reflection of how i want to be and therefor they are not 'me?' Im not sure bro :))
Everyone is a reflection somehow so it doenst make total sense rn ❤
"I want to stay as the self 'all the time' " - huh?
You still have fearful emotions?
You feel things and other people are not me...so you feel separation?
These are not the statements of one that enlightenment has happened.
My recommendation is to delve more deeply into who/what is afraid and who/what wants to stay as the self all the time and who/what feels other than anything else.
There is still a fictitious and illusory "me" being believed.
@@NondualityChannel stay as my loving self - the fearless one.
When i think "im not afraid of dying" i heard a voice say "yes i am' while feeling fear.
But i know im not the voice/ thought and i know im not the feeling either?
:S im not sure what to say
@@NondualityChannelhow can this video be answering the questions if 'im' not enlightent? 😅 it seems to be where i am at?
I have read me to that after enlightenment an ego can still be there. And i know its my ego who says "they are not me" and so on ^^
@@NondualityChannel they say, self-realization is the realization of not being the body or the mind, but the Self? And enlightenment is the 'realization' of being God. I know im god, i know im you and everyone and everything.
But i actually have in my beliefs system that "i am not god" and another one was "i see everything that is not me" - its funny and weird, becouse beliefs has nothing on me - it cant Touch i am and the knowing - aka we dont need beliefs at all. As you know?:)
Im beyond belief,, but apparently, it looks like they are like a 'veil' so to speak infront of my eyes, and they just pop up randomly
What about suffering after awakening. I woke about 5 years ago. All was well for about a year but I've been in deep suffering since.
After the enlightenment/awakening I speak about...suffering ceases to arise forevermore. Deep suffering is a sign that awakening did not happen. A glimpse or spiritual experience, but not awakening (as I use and define the term). So dive deeper into this "me" that suffers...who/what is this "I"? What is the source of this "I"?
I've been researching this and so far what my gut says is that you just need to practice meditation. You are super sensitive to everything and it seems that kundalini will push you to your weaknesses after the initial awakening. Just... Remember what you are capable of..
Jolene O'Brien what did you wake up to?
Because that is kundli awakening. It is different from enlightenment. If you are enlightened, you know there is no purpose. Just joy and peace.
Hey, i had a spiritual awakening but still I feel sometimes I feel on a materialistic way and lose my awareness. I go crazy after some questions in my head and can't act in a aware manner losing control of myself. I feel like enlightenment has kinda waned. Does it happen with you too?
No. There is no waning. Enlightenment can not go away (i.e. wane). I have no idea what you mean by "lose my awareness" or what "act in a aware manner" is. It simply comes down to is there still a "me" believed or not. What is this "I" that goes crazy after some questions?
will ego dissolve completly after enlightenment?
You would have to define the word "ego". As you can still answer to a name after enlightenment, I would say there is always some ego left. However, it is not really believed, does not cause confusion, and does not cause suffering. The ego is not identified with...it really is no longer "me". The ego becomes rather passive. Useful and a servant...no longer the master. The goal and idea is not to destroy the ego...simply recognize it for what it is.
Eric Putkonen in what way does the ego become useful and how does it serve you?
For starters and the primary usefulness is the recognition that a question was just asked of me. Also, being able to operate within the rules of society. To understand what is not mine...and therefore I should not just pick up what I see and walk away with it. Also, understanding and use of pronouns...I, me, you, etc. It is possible to say "I am flying to Florida" and recognize a "me" who has moved from one place to another.
It become we-go the presence of the Iam, the wisdom of the soul. the human becomes the opened experiencer of creation. The ego or the identity become an act of consciousness. A choice to enhance the experience
Enlightenment can happen only when ego disappears
Where is your attention most of the time? Before awakening, it is mostly in the me thought, what about after awakening?
The now.
@@NondualityChannel can you explain how you drive and get groceries if you don’t see any division
@@3william714 Division is imagined...there never was division. There is no real division/separation now. Everything happens without division.
Variety can be recognized without it being separate/other.
So we could put it this way the infinite is boundless and the finite mind is what sees form and boundaries, I’m saying there’s no way your driving a car and not seeing division that would be impossible. It’d be like driving on acid. The fact that your even making this video suggest you see division. Even spira said it, the infinite cannot known a object in order to know a object it needs to take the shape of the finite mind.
@@3william714 Incorrect. Variation can be recognized without it having to be considered divided and separate...as other. You can look at the Pando (a big forest in Utah) and believe there are hundreds of separate trees (division everywhere) but in fact it is all one organism. Regardless of the tree being cut down...it is all the same tree. Seeing no division just means knowing it is the same tree instead of believing you are cutting down different/separate trees (i.e. divided). The act of cutting down a tree is the same regardless if it is seen as not divided or seen as divided.
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Do enlightened being able to see other beings the don't belong to the realm of men?
Enlightenment does not give special powers like that. If other beings that don't belong to the realm of men could be perceived before enlightenment, it may continue after enlightenment.
In a way, after the event... or the process, you get to look what Jung called The Shadow, in the eye. No more bulshit. It is part of who you are. Deny that, and and it will keep bothering you... messing up things. You still have to live in this Maya. Look at the Zen 10 Bulls story.
Awakened to what is ? " Curiosity" is a mental formation. Self-initiated will is not enlightenment. If you can recognize something as an object... the only way you can .. what you call perception is also thought.. its labelling ... it is through " knowledge" You know what the object is so it has already captured it in the framework of the experiencing structure.
Desire is suffering for the body sir.
Avijja paccheya sankhara. Ignorance proliferates mental formations. No ignorance.. no mental formations. It is not identify with or not.. it is not to identify.
What you describe seems to be stream entry. There would be no you to enjoy or take interest.
I really don't get the point of enlightenment, so you can Lucid dream in this (Maya) World, but then you Die and come back into another Body and you are asleep again ....so try to wake up in the Dream again and carry on like that for eternity , and this is good news.I think I'd rather just Die and never come back into existence , but we never Die so It's an Eternal Nightmare playing hide and seek with yourself and trying to escape the inescapable 😐 ....sorry I think I can only see Negative just now !
Not quite. There is no "you" lucid dreaming. There is no dying or coming back...that would be identifying with some body/mind/form. What you really are is beyond this.
Eric Putkonen There is the " I AM" ...thats what I mean he/it/she experiences all that ...becomes a human a fly whatever to escape eternity , then tries to find itself again and so on
What you really are is prior to "I AM". There is no escaping anything. "Then tries to find itself again and so on" - this is your belief based on what you have been told.
Hi, that's what I'm talking about the "prior" to I am the Absolute Brahmin, doesn't Brahmin become Atman and So on ? wasn't told, I experienced it 😉
There is no becoming. There is no such division - Brahmin and Atman.