GOD's ARROW ~ Shinzen tells his Experience of Enlightenment
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- During this residential retreat, Shinzen describes his personal experience of "transverberation" or "God's Arrow" going through him and the world. It's an authentic, no-nonsense description of something that is almost impossible to describe.
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Wow, I hadn't heard this term 'transverberation' before. I had to go back to Teresa of Avila's book The Interior Castle or The Mansions (which I highly recommend for her own mapping of her spiritual progression) and sure enough, there was the word following this beautiful description that meets the sculpture Shinzen describes:
2. (The Dart of Love): "While the soul is thus inflamed with love, it often happens that, from a passing thought or spoken word of how death delays its coming, the heart receives, it knows not how or whence, a blow as from a fiery dart. 378 Life, ch. xxix. 17. (Transverberation.) I do not say that this actually is a ‘dart,’ but, whatever it may be, decidedly it does not come from any part of our being. Neither is it really a ‘blow’ though I call it one, but it wounds us severely-not, I think, in that part of our nature subject to physical pain but in the very depths and centre of the soul, where this, thunderbolt, in its rapid course, reduces all the earthly part of our nature to powder. At the time we cannot even remember our own existence, for in an instant, the faculties of the soul are so fettered as to be incapable of any action except the power they retain of increasing our torture. Do not think I am exaggerating; indeed I fall short of explaining what happens which cannot be described."
She goes on to describe her transverberation further, but I think the poem of hers mentioned summarizes it well enough for this simple comment, otherwise I'd recommend anyone interested in maps to search out her book for themselves:
"Struck by the gentle Hunter
And overthrown,
Within the arms of Love
My soul lay prone.
Raised to new life at last,
This contract ’tween us passed,
That the Beloved should be mine own,
I His alone."
Thank-you Shinzen for reminding me of Teresa of Avila and for sharing your experience.
This was EXACTLY my experience on March last year that made me start this entire journey. I'm only now reading Saint Teresa's works in Portuguese (the original is in Spanish), and I started with her Book of Life, where she explains prayer to beginners. Is this one from the Castle?
EDIT: Found it in the Castle. Thank you.
This made me smile and laugh. His description came outta nowhere.
Also, I see so many similarities between Shinzen and Frank Yang. I consider Frank my guru. So it's amazing to finally see one of his.
And to think that there are masters out there who have gone a lot deeper and farther than Shinzen has gone.
It's inspiring that even an ordinary dude like Shinzen was when he started out, and already 30 years old, has gotten this far. Although of course there are many stories of people who have attained profound states of being far more rapidly than Shinzen, depending on their karma (in the traditional interpretation).
I could be wrong, but I assume the ones who go the deepest are not the ones who teach, because interacting with people is something that likely takes you back from the deeper states and into the more ordinary states.
In my opinion of course.
It depends. Some rare beings are SO advanced they can come back into the more ordinary states - or incarnations - and interact with people while still always living from a very highly advanced state. The documentary on here, 'Windfall of Grace', is about the extraordinary being Neem Karoli Baba, who was Ram Dass' guru, Krishna Das, Larry Brilliant and many others East and West. The stories are mind-blowing. He didn't teach in the ordinary sense. He taught by example, and by his presence.
I have a book, 'Whisper in the Heart', that contains many stories about how he has appeared to and guided many people over the 50 years since he 'died'. Even people who had no idea who he was. The stories in the documentary and in the book make me tear up. It shows what humans can be. Once you know that, you cannot go back. (Even if you want to.)
The master has returned! please upload more, these videos have helped me so much on my journey :)
MadDannyWest saitamaaaaaa
Journey to what
A story to hopefully make you giggle. I was taking a s**t once and glanced at an image of a Hamsa on my ipad. Ramana Maharshi appeared instantly in consciousness (mind eye) and my Heart opened instantly revealing that all was One substance, which was Conscious Love, Divinity and All. Consciousness opened to embrace everything in my reality, which was a bathroom. When the Love-God-Consciousness hit my still dirty ass, ego shut down the flow as it clearly had not grokked the “shit on a stick” teaching. Literally shut the realization off when it hit my ass.
True story lmao ;)
Holy shit! 😂
There is a similar story on David Godman's channel. A busy soldier burst into Ramana Maharshi ashram to get his blessing, however, Ramana left for a walk. The soldier, because he was in a hurry, went after Ramana, and finally found him in a wooded area where he was - as you said "taking a s**t". The soldier prostrated on the ground, and was asking for Maharshi's blessing. Perhaps you were that soldier in a previous life.
I think he refers to Teresa of Ávila. I visited her church in Spain, you can experience this great saint's presence there (indeed she is somehow living outside time and space). She is a beautiful and intelligent woman. The pinnacle of St. Teresa's angelic encounters happened in 1559 in Spain, while she was praying. An angel appeared and pierced her heart with a spear of fire that sent God's pure, passionate love into her soul, St. Teresa recalled, sending her into ecstasy.
OMG this was amazing. Transverberation indeed.
No idea what is being talked about, but happy to see new content!
always gratified to see yet another Shinzen video.....
Fantastic. Very accurately explained
Sir, the analogy of the wormhole is so incredibly precise it makes me shudder. Thank you so much for this!
This description is so strange to me. It gives me tiny feelings of existential crisis. Sort of like when I consider what could possibly be outside of the universe.
Love those feelings. 😂
6:25 Yo WTF :DD That's so incredible. Caring so little, because you know that the window will open with that much certainty.. This floored me with laughter.
Me too! I don't know why it transmits for me through him.
@@Raynaputi Awesome! For me it didn't hit imidiately. Actually, now that I think about it, I often utter by myself the lines of: "I will forget again. I will always forget." When Im in a spiritually high state. A state of happiness, most notably. And I recognized what shinzen had said in this video when I was in a hightened state, at my bathroom floor, and I had to find it again to hear him say it. That's when I made the comment. But as of writing this now, I haven't twelled upon my usual sufferig mind, even though Im not in a hightened state. Maybe I learned something in that moment. I can't recall accurately, but this feels signifact. Like guided to come back and see your comment and to think about that moment again.. yeah, good stuff :D 🙏 to you
Transverberation: God's arrow through a wormhole in the space-time continuum of your awareness.
Unbeatable teacher, I 💚 him
It's impossible to lose source
1 Sounds like no description of what his experience was at all. 2. At 6:11 he talks about his non-preference for the non-dual state vs. experiences with the ego. Yep, exactly this!!!
Great knowledge
Yes spiritual enlightenment = cellular all in compassing Bliss.❤️🙏🌈💖🇳🇿
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I call that attention
I've GOT to make it to one of these....
'You're already IT. You just don't realize it yet' - and never will, unless you apply the Right Effort Seung Sahn mentions on page 10 of that book: "Try, try, try means persevere, from moment to moment. It is sometimes called RIGHT EFFORT ... That is the Great Bodhisattva Way. So trying is very necessary."
Why? You can get dumbfounded right here.
Great video - gratitude for this wisdom.
God damn, this gave me real anxiety and panic. I felt that my self was slipping away and there suddenly was nothing and "I" was hovering over it / in it. It was crazy. I'm not ready for this.
i just came here from another shinzen video where he compares enlightenment to its "evil twin," depersonalization/ derealization. maybe take a look. it's titled, "Enlightenment, DP/DR & Falling Into the Pit of the Void ~ Shinzen Young"
@@petya7105 DP/DR is hell. It really, REALLY messed me up.
@@squamish4244 have you healed it? i had it for 4 days once after using weed + salvia the morning after an LSA trip. it felt like i was totally sober, but the central piece of my soul was missing. really disconcerting. on the other hand, dreams were unusually vivid & lucid. almost like a chunk of soul energy was borrowed from the waking state and added to the dream state instead.
it was terrifying while it lasted, but once it went away by the 5th day, i found i actually missed the state. kinda like the cow in _mary poppins_ that jumped over the moon to get rid of the star stuck in its horns that wouldn't let it stop dancing, but once it lost it, it was sad and went roaming the world in search of it...
i later dubbed that state "the cold holiness of zen master sally d." i now feel it was a foretaste of enlightenment.
if you still struggle with dp, talk to a psychiatrist about getting modafinil + an ssri prescribed. dr evan torch calls the combination of an ssri and modafinil "the hidden pearl that can really help depersonalization disorder."
@@petya7105 The DP was caused by a terrifying trip on way too much dope in 2006. I beat the DP in a few years. But the terror it caused laid new tracks in my mind - basically I developed PTSD because of it - that caused addiction, kundalini syndrome and no end of agony over the last 15 years. I have no family and no career. I have had no relationships in all that time. It was a total disaster.
I'm getting the best help there is out there for my very complicated mix of conditions, and have cleaned out a lot of karma and purified intensely, but thus far, have had no conscious shifts worth writing home about and certainly nothing to take away the existential anguish I live with every day.
@@squamish4244 what causes the continued existential anguish for you now if you feel you already beat the dp?
All this makes sense conceptually, just haven’t had the insights to go a long with it
Isn't that always the case. Grrrr...
The Elephant 🐘 is well described by.. as buddha said ...
That actually made sense 😂😂😂
Great great
I salute you.
It weird that a person like him is interesting as he says at the end,to use future technology to interfere with human mind, bypassing person road of practicing and understanding that a person goes through when he is meditating
I wish he will explain me why he view this,that way😊
According to Buddhism and Hinduism, the ground of being that you attain through practice is already overflowing with infinite compassion and wisdom. How you get there is not important. Bypassing decades of practice sounds awesome. The Dalai Lama supports this work as well. All of technology is about doing things far more efficiently than we could accomplish without it.
@6:25 "Actually Saint Theresa explained it perfectly."
This decribes phenomena. Enlightenment iks not a phenomenon. It is the instant recognition of universal consciousness where you find you are universal unbounded Being being itself as infinity beyond all forms and limitations, beyond time and space, without any kind of centre of me - you have become everywhere, and it is the most simple thing. You then become absolutely completely abstract, nothing at all: this is enlightenment, not some experience. You become bigger than any wormhole; there is no outside, nothing to touch you. You cannot understand it till you get there, and then it is too abstract to put into words.
I’m curious why Buddhist monks are not allowed to talk about their attainments to the lay
I think he describes something like a suddenly triggered epistemological re-entry (look up system theory) moment, so that his own experience is experiencing that being is experiencing itself through him, his body and mind.
Serious question: why is he wearing that sheet? Does it help him or us in any way?
I had this "divine source"/"void"/'God" seeing itself experience about 4-5 yrs ago. Quite awesome. However, it is, as Shinzen mentions, a Christian (and Hindu and...) type experience, not what Buddha was talking about at all. In fact Buddha lambasted monks who thought they had experienced Nibbana when really all they had experienced was this "divine source"/pristine awareness/one mind illusion (Check MN 22, MN 38, SN 22.97). Later on after reading Thusness Six Stages of Awakening post, and talking to Soh Wei Yu from the AwakeningToReality blog, I dissolved into nibbana (synonym from suttas: unbinding of consciousness), in which every infinite process disjointly knew itself in perfection, without any source or background. This video makes me think Shinzen is not a stream enterer, though he certainly is an intelligent guy. I would recommend re-reading the Bahiya sutta...
'My enlightenment is better than yours'
@@copyninja8756 haha
He clearly seems like a snake oil merchant.
I wouldn't be surprised to hear he charges money to talk shit to people.
Enlightment and experience are two contradictory terms.
Hehe language has its limitation
exactly,, if i was a master and teaching a class, they asked me this question. i would sit quietly. and id express it in motion.. it cannot be described in words language especially to unenlightened people lol.
@@Tank1 if you were a master 😅😅
Sound a kind of like a low dosage of something
3:42 - woooooooooow
I'm sorry. What the hell was he talking about?
Ed Gepixel he’s fingering the void
Looooool
Am I the only one experiencing cognitive dissonance here? If it's so amazing to be pierced by the arrow/wormhole, why is this work not depicting that, but shows the moment she's unpierced? To my mind, there's no doubt the artist is depicting the peak moment of the God-encounter here. In Shinzen's world, that wouldn't seem to be when returning to normal consciousness. Which to him is at best no worse than "wormhole experience". Something is off, and my feeling is the artist and Shinzen are pointing to different experiences, even though there might be commonalities.
EDIT: and it all checks out. We actually have saint Theresa's account of the experience, and it sounds nothing like Shinzen's: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecstasy_of_Saint_Teresa
@This is Aname Well said!
People experience enlightenment in many different ways. All of them have certain commonalities, but each is expressed through a different personality. It is debatable whether there is even one experience of enlightenment that is exactly like another one at all.
@@squamish4244 The largest common denominator is probably the "peak experience". Beyond that, the various biases of the experiencing subject enter the picture, producing the kaleidoscope of the varieties of spiritual experience.
He says something like "neurota samapathi". What is that term, the comtemplation thing?
Nirodha samapatti. The cessation of consciousness possible during meditation
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Delson Armstrong starts talking about his experience with this at 1:25:05
@@Lipinki.luzyckie Thank you :)
@@Lipinki.luzyckie Thank you :)
Can’t see the previous reply, but nirodha samapatti is translated to roughly meaning the cessation of perception and feeling. It is sometimes called the ninth jhana although most of the time people discuss the eight jhanas in Buddhism. This is called the ninth because it is a “non state” entered through the eighth jhana. It is also one of two types of cessation which can be explained in a simplistic way as non-experience. This is why I called nirodha samapatti entering a “non state”. There is no experience nor person experiencing anything. It is not simply a distinction-free void space.
@@BrandonRohe And you don't need to pass through all the jhanas to get there. Many great traditional teachers have said that you do not need to develop jhana to do vipassana effectively. Weirdly, Alan Wallace, a prominent Western Tibetan teacher, insists the opposite, and also makes the jhanas sound like they are so rare that they are practically impossible for lay practitioners. His views are not universally accepted, to put it mildly.
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My thoughts exactly. I would probably add a bit of these: "!!!"
It's not for me... God has his own preferences...
It can be described better than the books but not verbally. Semaphore? This is just another American adopting the archetypal identity of a guru, complete with new name, sandals and mat.
There is so much ego still in claiming that you can't explain your precious, special experience to mere pedestrians. Some can't but many with a facility for language have. This dude is managed to enlarge his ego after his experiences.
🕉 like every cell is in orgasm. 🙏🇳🇿
More 'spiritual' delusion.
you are what you see
@@goprojoe8943 .....nonsense rhetorical dribble, if that were the case most men would be a pair of breasts or a nice arse, however, you are what you imagine yourself to be.
One thing I like about him is that he understands the difference of the word spiritual. It’s why most of the first few minutes are spent explaining that perception and reality are two different things. The description is not the reality. Hence why it’s a metaphor. It’s an attempt.
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www.shinzen.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/SeeHearFeelIntroduction_ver1.8.pdf
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Amazing how you know what another consciousness has expired, absolutely amazing, kudos.
New Age in the Catholic Church? Is this where we are going to end? How sad! In His own Temple, in His own Holy Sanctuary? In front of His Sacred Altar? Please Catholics WAKE UP!!!
Maybe consider for once that people have different spiritual beliefs and experiences. Oh, and Teresa of Avila is a Catholic SAINT that was canonized in 1622. So, what in the hell are you talking about?
cf Thomas Merton
Meister Eckhart
Waking up is the idea :)
The Alter of the Heart is the place of Sacrifice. An offering with right intention will never be refused.