the degen I saw were on a pvp low population server where horde players ganked alliance in ratchet.The alliance did no damage or little damage to fool the algoritm - even i were invited once and did my part- i fought empty handed but that was one time , saw the same guys for weeks at the ratchet grave yard
Hm, not really. A lot of items are worth that much and other games have more worthfull items. Swift Spectral Tiger is worth like 13.000 Euro/Dollar. And in Counter Strike people pay MILLIONS for a single skin. A Skin. Not a better weapon which makes you OP like Gressil.
I remember having to take a break from WoW before battlegrounds were released. As a solo warrior, there was nothing more cancer than being camped 10 times, only for the next camper to show up.
I will never forget Christmas Eve 2019, I got a discord notification server wide ping at like 2 or 3am that Kazzak was up and before I could finish my internal, half asleep thought about what psychos are playing wow this early on Christmas eve, another ping came out telling us that one of the top guilds on the server got 40 people there and killed it within a few minutes. The amount of people and level of degeneracy clearly shows red flags that they need some help IRL but it was entertaining at least. That is the best part about online gaming, you can play how you want.
You left out how some PVP groups would organize who would get Rank 1 for each week, and if anyone stepped out of line they were doxxed and given death threats.
It's so funny how the whole internet goes on about death threats. Jesus. Like a fucking nerd that spents all his allowance on 10 accounts to multibox is capable of offing someone.
If anyone was doxxed it was by blizzard not some basement dwelling 80iq sloth wow player. They ain’t figuring out how to do that and playing wow 24/7. You must have played on the developer server.
I 100% remember setting my notifications to max volume and waking up at 3am for world bosses. But dang it i got my 4-set of Eskhandar and procced that sweet ghost tiger in raid
As someone who played vanilla i remember talking to people who where rank one on our server and the way they maintained it was account sharing with guildies in different time zones. That level of uptime was necessary. Fucking crazy.
You know what is degenerate? Using demonic rune as a warlock (espeically in the burning steppes while farming imps for soul shards). "BUT IT'S NOT ON THE GLOBAL COOL DOWN!!!!!"
Let's not forget there were no add-ons back then, so you NEEDED a strong leader and people that knew their role so you didn't just spend all your time running to the dungeon over and over. CC was a real thing back then.
Didn't mention pool boosting in PvP. You'd need to create dozens of alts and have them run to a graveyard to be killed so that they would be included in the server's ranking calculations (more players in the pool meant bigger brackets at higher ranks).
I'd honestly say pool boosting was anti-degen. People did it on my server because it saved insane amounts of time for everyone on the horde side. As a result, the PvP scene actually behaved like human beings, rather than monkeys throwing shit at each other. Ranking up was easy enough that people could just do it without cross-faction nonsense like win trading or playing for 12 hours a day for months.
Slow paced leveling...matched with all the sweatys who rush to 60 only to abandon the game and turn their server into a wasteland for others who took their time xD
I don't think that's accurate. Why would you see level 60's in the world when there was no point in being in the world once they've gotten BiS from dungeons? If everyone started an alt once they got to max level and got BiS the world would feel more alive, the problem is the game relies on other people playing the same as everyone else, but that's just not the way the game works. Once I've started leveling up an alt most players are at endgame and not leveling anymore. They already spent a majority of their free time playing and need a break.
Proud to say i did 10/10 of these :D We even had a spreadsheet of horde players so we cld track who we had killed that day to track honorless targets and had a 3rd account to check locations of the most horde/ horde we still needed to kill that day
12:48 -- but it's true. Despite the fact that nearly every guild that wanted to clear Naxx did so in 2019 Classic, in 2006, something like ~1000 players did it. That's true; it's not misremembered.
Best moment is grizzly transferring to sulfuras, opening aq gates week one for us, and then being a holes on the entire server for a bit. But the entire horde got together and did not allow a SINGLE alliance player to get scarab lord.
I had quite a good route in burning steppes that I frequented on my BWL/AQ40 geared mage, before and after the buffs and I had pretty great success getting them because as the lotus farmers were all fresh 60 hunters, I had fun killing them :) there was one time I had to kill FOUR(in succession, not simultaneously) before successfully getting a particular lotus. my gear made that possible as one shatter combo was enough to global one of them lol
World buffs were so annoying lol. I remember raging so hard when I died in DM getting the tribute buff. Luckily my guild didn't really care that much and aslong as you got Ony buff and STV buff which were super easy to get especially when people would do summons and coordinate drops
The most degenerate action is when a high level character steals a mining node whilst being farmed by a low level such as trying to mine a copper node and a lvl 60 takes it from you and says its need for AQ , absolute scum move and pathetic.
@@Loeschzwerch on fairbanks people were paying for others to mine ores and vendor the ores so they wouldnt make it to the market for turn ins. If that helps you understand the frustration
I got to rank 10 back in 2006 or so. And I raided as well pretty hardcore. I had a lot of free time, otherwise I'd have had no chance. One of Draenors rank 14 farmers was also from the same country as me, Wales. She had been constantly hammering BG's for months and months. I never did find out if she got there or not, but she was annoyed about the changes in TBC pre patch where anyone could get the HWL gear with no rank requirements etc. I can see why, as that gear would have been replaced while lvling in TBC for anyone just getting it for that, but for those who had been farming for months would have kept it forever for obvious reasons. Really tempted to go back to Classic, but whether I'd play the same class is another thing. Shaman was really dull to lvl and wasnt much fun at max lvl either back then, but with dual spec it might be less frustrating.
wasn't there a point with silithid where people were mass reporting JUST to have exclusive rights to farm or was it something else i cant remember. though i guess either way that was also a degen moment from the community.
We had an oiler offering $1500 for our guild to delay the gong bang and boost his warrior to SL, never accepted the offer so dunno whether the money was real or not, but he was paying insane gold amounts for carapaces
way way back in the day we were on a relatively new server and AQ hadn't been opened. Our guild at the time was top PVE for that server with BWL on farm. So we decided to take the war effort into our own hands. I had an excel spreadsheet and we advertised to the entire server that we would be taking contributions for the war effort where we set levels of stuff like linen cloth that would earn you, for instance, a class tier set piece from MC, or a random drop from MC, etc. This was back in the day where raiding took around 40 people so if you were casual at all you needed a committed guild to do anything. Once we had the ability to unlock because we'd completed the war effort we basically spent all night on alts trying to cross up the PVE guild on our server. We ended up holding until a Monday morning or something and spent the rest of the day ganking the horde guild rivals who only had a few diehards camping out the event start. I still remember getting tons and tons of mail to turn in for the war effort and exploding random players in Ironforge with all of those random buff scrolls you would get. Good times. Cry More, on Balnazzar circa 2005.
The community really got ruining the classic experience down to a science and now we will never have fun vanilla communities ever again thanks sweaties...
There was a moment of realization in Vanilla WOW when people realized that with crit that Paladins were just the best healers and it was just not well received. Just at a certain gear level it was no longer competitive between classes.
It’s fine if they would fix it. The problem was the no change crowd, and developers with no player clout to make us trust them, meant absolutely no changes. A few changes actually would have made the experience a lot better especially in pvp.
@@d.optional3381 he's not exactly wrong - he was correct about the OG wow talent tree, example - innervate used to be the 31 pt resto druid talent. Classic used 1.12 talents not the pre-TBC patch talents
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the degen I saw were on a pvp low population server where horde players ganked alliance in ratchet.The alliance did no damage or little damage to fool the algoritm - even i were invited once and did my part- i fought empty handed but that was one time , saw the same guys for weeks at the ratchet grave yard
The $4,500 Gressil from GDKP has to be top a top degen moment
Hm, not really. A lot of items are worth that much and other games have more worthfull items. Swift Spectral Tiger is worth like 13.000 Euro/Dollar. And in Counter Strike people pay MILLIONS for a single skin. A Skin. Not a better weapon which makes you OP like Gressil.
I remember having to take a break from WoW before battlegrounds were released. As a solo warrior, there was nothing more cancer than being camped 10 times, only for the next camper to show up.
time to reroll
This was the reason why I transferred to a pve server since it was literally impossible to play the game
just call a healer for questing and fight and stop cry
You sign up for this by rolling on a pvp server
@@lucaschebance3135I bet you feel very edgy now 🙄
I will never forget Christmas Eve 2019, I got a discord notification server wide ping at like 2 or 3am that Kazzak was up and before I could finish my internal, half asleep thought about what psychos are playing wow this early on Christmas eve, another ping came out telling us that one of the top guilds on the server got 40 people there and killed it within a few minutes. The amount of people and level of degeneracy clearly shows red flags that they need some help IRL but it was entertaining at least. That is the best part about online gaming, you can play how you want.
Number 1: Community normalising buying gold from bots, making them responsible for said botting.
You left out how some PVP groups would organize who would get Rank 1 for each week, and if anyone stepped out of line they were doxxed and given death threats.
You mean rank 14? Rank 1 is easy...
@@EvlEglehe means rank 1 bracket of honor in a given week, part of the rank 14 process
It's so funny how the whole internet goes on about death threats. Jesus. Like a fucking nerd that spents all his allowance on 10 accounts to multibox is capable of offing someone.
If anyone was doxxed it was by blizzard not some basement dwelling 80iq sloth wow player. They ain’t figuring out how to do that and playing wow 24/7. You must have played on the developer server.
@@Derjeniche1510😂 for real
only saw 1 black lotus on Faerlina during all of classic and it was taken by a druid before i could get to it.
Mooooo
I 100% remember setting my notifications to max volume and waking up at 3am for world bosses. But dang it i got my 4-set of Eskhandar and procced that sweet ghost tiger in raid
YES. Thanks for these throwbacks. I’ll never trust blizzard again but 2019 classic was my favorite job of my whole wow career.
What did you do there. Fetch the horde players coffee?
As someone who played vanilla i remember talking to people who where rank one on our server and the way they maintained it was account sharing with guildies in different time zones. That level of uptime was necessary. Fucking crazy.
Effing crazy? Maybe.
Effing bad game mechanic? Definitely!
Yup. Worst pvp rank design ever.
Pvpers like to climb MMR.
You know what is degenerate? Using demonic rune as a warlock (espeically in the burning steppes while farming imps for soul shards).
"BUT IT'S NOT ON THE GLOBAL COOL DOWN!!!!!"
poor guzzy
Videos like this make me love Retail even more
There are more degenerate moments in this video than you can shake your WillE at!!!
i remember befor 2019 classic came out ppl would always say the old 40 man raids were the hardest content the game ever had LAMO
Back in the day they were the hardest content in the game.
They were hard back then when everyone was dogshit at the game and no-one knew what to do
Let's not forget there were no add-ons back then, so you NEEDED a strong leader and people that knew their role so you didn't just spend all your time running to the dungeon over and over. CC was a real thing back then.
Honestly though 'the min-maxing world buff meta" should really be top 1 degen thing about classic
Didn't mention pool boosting in PvP. You'd need to create dozens of alts and have them run to a graveyard to be killed so that they would be included in the server's ranking calculations (more players in the pool meant bigger brackets at higher ranks).
That's pool boosting. Bracket stacking was something else
Oh yeah that was it. Still didn't get a mention though.
I'd honestly say pool boosting was anti-degen. People did it on my server because it saved insane amounts of time for everyone on the horde side.
As a result, the PvP scene actually behaved like human beings, rather than monkeys throwing shit at each other. Ranking up was easy enough that people could just do it without cross-faction nonsense like win trading or playing for 12 hours a day for months.
Slow paced leveling...matched with all the sweatys who rush to 60 only to abandon the game and turn their server into a wasteland for others who took their time xD
Dude mages aoe farming quest mobs are insufferable
@@jordantruong305 I agree, love the idea of mega servers but the mage Aoe farming certain areas is game breaking atm
@@jordantruong305The battle of hillsbrad chain is taking days because of the freakin mages that are farming the farm.
I don't think that's accurate. Why would you see level 60's in the world when there was no point in being in the world once they've gotten BiS from dungeons?
If everyone started an alt once they got to max level and got BiS the world would feel more alive, the problem is the game relies on other people playing the same as everyone else, but that's just not the way the game works. Once I've started leveling up an alt most players are at endgame and not leveling anymore. They already spent a majority of their free time playing and need a break.
@@jordantruong305 They are just playing the way that's good for them. That's a game design issue not a player issue.
Proud to say i did 10/10 of these :D
We even had a spreadsheet of horde players so we cld track who we had killed that day to track honorless targets and had a 3rd account to check locations of the most horde/ horde we still needed to kill that day
Bros proud to be a unemployed loser 💀 not something to be proud of
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12:48 -- but it's true. Despite the fact that nearly every guild that wanted to clear Naxx did so in 2019 Classic, in 2006, something like ~1000 players did it. That's true; it's not misremembered.
1. Rank 14
2. Rank 13
3. Rank 12.... Etc
Haha, yes very accurate. Though, I enjoyed farming world buffed players in OG back then
Best moment is grizzly transferring to sulfuras, opening aq gates week one for us, and then being a holes on the entire server for a bit. But the entire horde got together and did not allow a SINGLE alliance player to get scarab lord.
He included a screenshot of the Caverns of Time camping, but I was expecting more of a mention of this. Peak degeneracy.
@ if they just weren’t a-holes after the gates opening they wouldn’t of had to transfer off to get their scarab lords lol
@@CardBoredB0x before** they were a-holes whole time they were on sulfuras.
Entire game sounds lifedraining
I had quite a good route in burning steppes that I frequented on my BWL/AQ40 geared mage, before and after the buffs and I had pretty great success getting them
because as the lotus farmers were all fresh 60 hunters, I had fun killing them :) there was one time I had to kill FOUR(in succession, not simultaneously) before successfully getting a particular lotus. my gear made that possible as one shatter combo was enough to global one of them lol
World buffs were so annoying lol. I remember raging so hard when I died in DM getting the tribute buff. Luckily my guild didn't really care that much and aslong as you got Ony buff and STV buff which were super easy to get especially when people would do summons and coordinate drops
is it sad that i took part in literally every point you made besides lotus camping? D:
The most degenerate action is when a high level character steals a mining node whilst being farmed by a low level such as trying to mine a copper node and a lvl 60 takes it from you and says its need for AQ , absolute scum move and pathetic.
Its okay. The copper node cant hurt you anymore.
I’d steal your node and cod it to you for x3 its worth
You want to raid aq too. Don't be selfish... Kappa
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@@Loeschzwerch on fairbanks people were paying for others to mine ores and vendor the ores so they wouldnt make it to the market for turn ins. If that helps you understand the frustration
I have to ask do you remember the shamans name. Was it Prepared sound like something he would do.
I got to rank 10 back in 2006 or so. And I raided as well pretty hardcore. I had a lot of free time, otherwise I'd have had no chance. One of Draenors rank 14 farmers was also from the same country as me, Wales. She had been constantly hammering BG's for months and months. I never did find out if she got there or not, but she was annoyed about the changes in TBC pre patch where anyone could get the HWL gear with no rank requirements etc. I can see why, as that gear would have been replaced while lvling in TBC for anyone just getting it for that, but for those who had been farming for months would have kept it forever for obvious reasons.
Really tempted to go back to Classic, but whether I'd play the same class is another thing. Shaman was really dull to lvl and wasnt much fun at max lvl either back then, but with dual spec it might be less frustrating.
Hi Will!
Idk about phasing tech being better. I’ve been phased 3 times while in combat and I just hit 20
I purposely rolled on a pve realm this time around just to avoid the insanity that was pre battle grounds last time should they do it again.
why isn't me hitting 3x r14 in 2019 listed here
If the warlock buying Corrupted Ashbringer for Cata felguard isn't on this list I'll be smh
wasn't there a point with silithid where people were mass reporting JUST to have exclusive rights to farm or was it something else i cant remember. though i guess either way that was also a degen moment from the community.
And all this for some purples so you can do more DPS
I wish I could get ganked. I keep getting bored and can’t level
Yes lets gooooo!!
why is this so real?
How much would scarab lord cost $?
We had an oiler offering $1500 for our guild to delay the gong bang and boost his warrior to SL, never accepted the offer so dunno whether the money was real or not, but he was paying insane gold amounts for carapaces
way way back in the day we were on a relatively new server and AQ hadn't been opened. Our guild at the time was top PVE for that server with BWL on farm. So we decided to take the war effort into our own hands. I had an excel spreadsheet and we advertised to the entire server that we would be taking contributions for the war effort where we set levels of stuff like linen cloth that would earn you, for instance, a class tier set piece from MC, or a random drop from MC, etc. This was back in the day where raiding took around 40 people so if you were casual at all you needed a committed guild to do anything.
Once we had the ability to unlock because we'd completed the war effort we basically spent all night on alts trying to cross up the PVE guild on our server. We ended up holding until a Monday morning or something and spent the rest of the day ganking the horde guild rivals who only had a few diehards camping out the event start.
I still remember getting tons and tons of mail to turn in for the war effort and exploding random players in Ironforge with all of those random buff scrolls you would get. Good times.
Cry More, on Balnazzar circa 2005.
moments" you mean moms?
The community really got ruining the classic experience down to a science and now we will never have fun vanilla communities ever again thanks sweaties...
The serveur is for free or not ?
is no
There was a moment of realization in Vanilla WOW when people realized that with crit that Paladins were just the best healers and it was just not well received. Just at a certain gear level it was no longer competitive between classes.
People ganking because it's the meta to farm honor is not that degen, people ganking in classic now for no reward is worse.
to summarize, wow pvp is fucking stupid
It’s fine if they would fix it. The problem was the no change crowd, and developers with no player clout to make us trust them, meant absolutely no changes. A few changes actually would have made the experience a lot better especially in pvp.
On Classic Era, flasks are literally 1k gold each
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I did everything on this list but dispelling WBs was not my thing.. Horde Gehennas ZUG ZUG!
Let's be honest, these things is what made classic feel like classic. Once you remove these things the game because a lot less memorable.
Need to change avatar m8 doesnt look like that anymore.
god i miss those times
Classic is a great game for unemployed losers not so great for the average Joe
Playing this game is the most degenerate thing you can do
I dunno I've done some seriously degenerate things in my life... wow seems like a peaceful video game.😂
the raids were easy cuz we was using pre tbc talent trees not Og wow talent tree
this is multiple levels of wrong
dumbest comment goes to
@@d.optional3381 he's not exactly wrong - he was correct about the OG wow talent tree, example - innervate used to be the 31 pt resto druid talent. Classic used 1.12 talents not the pre-TBC patch talents
I'd always drag the elite dragons from burning steppes into goldshire with my hunter and watch them kill all the scrubs
Fu for putting ads in youre videos
Mate almost 3 minutes of intro + advertisement... That's just not enjoyable in any way. The title says enough to skip the big intro.
Thanks for this overview - now my tummy hurts 🥲
Thank you for your skill and passion for creating quality content. Your videos are always impressive.🏏🛷🚖
Screw you!
Just kidding 🤗