I've never played WoW but watching these videos is almost like a history lesson on the origins of many game design choices I see in the more modern MMOs. Thanks for making these.
It was a dick move. But if you really think about it, there really is no reason to make such a big deal out of it. As long as the rest of the guild members are committed and loyal, losing loot from a boss means nothing in the long run.
@@plostar7 I agree, to an extent, cause there's the whole time investment thing and not everyone has hours in their day to just have a jerk person come in and destroy any chance of them making some progression on their character.
@@plostar7 Its the actions of a psychopath and it should not be encouraged or ignored. If it happens nowadays then its your own fault for joining a raid that isn't established as dkp or loot counsel. If you trust a pug to get gear you are getting burned.
That’s why my guild has a dkp system with loot council. I don’t care if you have the most dkp, if you don’t need it, my loot council is going to pass it to somebody who does. If you disenchant something that someone actually needs you’re out of the guild.
My guild must be one of those rare ones. We have been around since a few months after the launch of vanilla and are still around today with the same leadership as back then.
Cataclysm wasn't just a guild breaker, but also a realm breaker. My entire realm back then just fell apart because people quit, which made me quit as well.
The 40 -> 25 raid size change was handled differently by my guild. We already had spare people on the benches. We went with 2x 25man raids. Many of us had alts as well and if needed the we just swapped people around.
I ran a guild from closed beta through vanilla. I believe the woman GM in your video was a former guild member we kicked for being a drama queen, her name was Kitiara, a druid.
Ain't that the truth, I literally out healed 2 of 3 of my last guilds raid healers and the 3rd(same class barely edged me out all of which were a tier of gear ahead of me and no chance of making the roster despite literally outperforming every healer they had.
@@flibityskibity6478 Yep, and it doesn't matter what MMO you play, or how good you do, as it always seems to just be favoritism. I've had people leave clans I was in often to where leaders and officers always wondered why, yet never listen or refuse to believe it when some of us told them. People feel left out, want a shot, and just get flat out ignored. Smaller the group the better chances, but underneath it's still the same result usually, and it's pretty sad.
I had this experience back in wotlk, we cleared naxx 25 man with a pretty solid group, but when ulduar was released, a "rebel" group inside the guild left to create their own guild. Then, in trial of champions the officers of the 2nd guild left their gm and made a 3rd guild. it was crazy, i had buddies in all of the 3 guilds asking me to join them, not coz i was a pro player, but coz they practically had not enough people to keep raiding. at least not in 25. Well, the first guild disbanded and some of the people made another guild (guild 4 i guess) and i joined them coz they were the group with less drama, and we did ICC in 10 man (we never passed the sanjains blood princes). and after a couple of months, guild number 4 disbanded coz some people left to join guild 2 and 3. The gm of guild 4 quit the game and i asked for the leadership before he left, he gave it to me. i kicked out all the people (most of them last connected by months) and now have a guild bank with a background full of treasons and fights among "friends".
Ulduar killed alot of guilds because of hour easy the tier before was, was a shame but luckily it didn't kill off any big guilds, that was reserved for expansions to do.
Sounds like a bunch of casual dumbass noobs who can't see their dick past their stumaches. Loot gets put on farmed if you stfu and stick together with a controlled environment. Rage and quit and lose all opportunity over loot.
we had a guild breaker at the end of bc, when the pre wotlk event came out, and the guitar dropped in kz. oh god was a nightmare. luckily the raid leader said that he was telling the raid that the guitar was his and he would allow no rolls on it. that didn't go over well with the group. and he walked into kz alone, was like where is everyone. we ended up leaving the guild making a new guild and downing the boss to get the axe. he didn't get it lol.
I played wow 15 years, from the launch until I believe the start of legion or maybe end of world of draenor? Somewhere along there, the 15 year mark. I was part of several hardcore guilds as well as some more casual guilds I played around in when I wasn't doing the hardcore stuff. In all that time, I only really experienced 2 real drama moments. The first was in Burning Crusade when the 2nd warglaive of azzinoth dropped. It went to the main rogue on our raid team, who had the other one to complete the set. Immediately after he got it, he logged out and never logged in again. We found out not long after, he sold his account to someone for a few thousand dollars because he was one of the best geared rogues in the world and one of the few people who had both warglaives. It was disappointing for everyone else, but it honestly didn't really matter much because black temple had been on farm for a long time at that point and the expansion was pretty much over. That guild died before Sunwell released, so it was the only raid tier that I didn't complete when it was current content. The second instance was many years later, in Mists of Pandaria, and the entire situation was just incredibly stupid. To put it into perspective, my father had just died of glioblastoma, a brain cancer, the week before and I had just started playing again. I had taken a month off from raiding to spend time with my father while he was dying and I was there with him when he passed. So I was obviously distraught, but I found playing WOW helped distract me from the bad thoughts and gave me something to do, so I started raiding again that next week. Anyway, some item I had been wanting dropped from a boss we killed. Some weapon I believe? I think it was legendary or maybe held a legendary gem or something? I don't really remember, this was a long time ago. Regardless, the guild wanted me to get it because my character would've gotten the most use from it, which is how we always divided the loot up, but this other guy wanted it and said I was too unreliable to get it because I had missed a month of raiding. The group debated it for a bit, I didn't really participate because I didn't really care that much one way or the other. Ultimately, because I didn't seem to want it very much, they told the guy he could have it, so they gave it to him. I didn't really care, but after a couple more boss fights, his dps had gone down instead of up, and the guild ultimately decided that the weapon should go to me instead and he agreed because the weapon wasnt working out for him anyway. This was during the era when you had a 2 hour window to trade raid loot before it became permanently bound to you. So he said he wanted to try DPSing one last boss with it before giving it up, so I said thats fine. We fight the boss, and right before the boss dies he disconnects and is offline by the time the fight is over. He is well known for having notoriously bad internet and this isn't terribly unusual. I wait around for a an hour or so to see if he comes back on, because that 2 hour grace period to trade loot only counts while you're online. So eventually he does come back on and I immediately message him saying he needs to trade that weapon pretty quick because the time is probably running short at that point. But it was supposedly his wife instead of him playing the character. This was also not unusual as they both had accounts and played on each other's characters frequently. She said she didn't know what I was talking about, so I explained to her what happened and said she needed to trade the weapon to me before the time expires or it won't be tradable. She says she isn't going to give away one of his weapons if he isn't around and he had left after the raid without telling her anything about it. So I tell her she would have to log off the character until he got back so the timer won't run out, at which point she became unhinged and started going off about how she doesn't have to do what I tell her to do and she wants to play that character right then so she is going to, etc. So I essentially call her a crazy bitch because she started behaving like a crazy bitch, and I just didn't have the emotional bandwidth to deal with that level of stupidity at that point in time. I had absolutely no tolerance for nonsense given what happened just a few days prior to this with my father. Afterwards, I muted the character because I didn't want to further converse with her in a frenzied, crazy state and then I went about my business. A few minutes later, I guess she finally realized that her messages were being blocked, she got on another character and started having unhinged rants, and I just muted each character on both of their accounts without saying a word to her because I just wasn't in the mood for any of it. So the next day, I get on and its the actual guy, finally back, and he made a brand new character to try to go off on me for apparently insulting and disrespecting his wife and all sorts of other things. I told him exactly what happened and what I said, word for word, even had the logs to prove his wife was the one who just flew off the handle randomly, but of course he wasn't having any of it and didn't care at all what happened, so I just blocked him again and instead contacted the GM and told him what happened. Few minutes later, all of his and his wife's characters were removed from the guild because he didn't hand off that weapon as he was supposed to, started a bunch of nonsense drama, and everyone was already fed up with him anyway because he is so prone to disconnect during raids, so he was done. Just because I was so irritated by the whole fiasco at this point, I decided to twist the knife and I reported them for account sharing, which was against the TOS. He admitted it many times in chat, from both accounts, that he did this so it would've been cake for anyone to confirm. So I basically forget the whole mess, because I never cared for that guy anyway, and we're out doing dailies a few days later, and he pops up on another new character and starts rage whispering me. Apparently, those accounts had already been flagged and warned and temporarily suspended and all that from prior issues with account sharing on top of other violations. When the GMs got my report and confirmed he was account sharing again, they permanently banned both of their accounts. I couldn't help but burst out laughing and I thanked him for letting me know before ignoring his character once again. I'm usually not petty and spiteful, but after losing my father I was just not in the mood for childish stupidity, bullshit, and nonsense. I always smile when I think back to how that little asshole's behavior and greed, coupled with his wife's insane rant out of nowhere cost them a decade of work on those accounts though. Sometimes shitty people do get what is coming to them. Very next week, the item dropped again and I got it. It's funny, almost comical in a way, how many ways that whole situation could've been resolved amiably, but both of them were committed to being cunts and I didn't have the patience to play nice and be peace keeper with them at the time.
@@akirafan28 I just watched the vid. Although the circumstances are almost identical, it wasn't the same guy or guild. We weren't method, but we were in the top 10, I believe around 7th or 8th in the world if memory serves. He was the first rogue on our server to get glaives and the best geared rogue on our server though, which also made him one of the best geared in the world at the time. Edit: Oh! I also just remembered, he also had the Ashes of A'lar phoenix mount in addition to both warglaives. Not sure how I could forget, he used to sit afk for hours in front of bank in Shattrath on that mount just showing off.
In my experience, and without completely generalizing all of them, women/girls really think they deserve this special treatment. Again, not all of them but many did/do. I had some female GM saying we were all her children and had to call her mom. It was so nauseating i left the guild not long after. But I dont blame the females completely. The young boys and even some older men that didnt have a partner.. these types were mostly the fault.. they gave this special treatment, enabling it.
@@whoknows8225 to be fair, I assure you that youve played with tons of girls and not even known it, so the ones who make their gender their whole gaming persona are the ones who stand out in your mind.
Over the last 15 years I've encountered many types of players, and with a few exceptions, I was lucky enough to avoid 90% of the toxicity. Had a main tank steal half my guild at one point; that sucked, but those of us left behind picked up and carried on. When I led raids (late vanilla through cata and all of legion) I never freaked out. Always thought that was such a terrible way to treat people. This video definitely reminds me of groups I joined up with over the years though. Some people forgot that it's only a game. Good times. Great video, thanks for the upload MadSeason!
@@IWillSexU Exactly the same. Stopped playing about 5 years ago, tried classic and later on stopped once again but stil watching youtube content from time to time. Somehow one never completely quit WoW :D
We've had a guild that's been going strong since burning crusade. While the majority of us have quit over the years and return for every new expansion, we're still strong. Always raiding together, transferring servers together, etc. I've built long last friendships with all these guys over the last 10+ years.
13 years in the current guild i'm in. We've played together since WOTLK, cleared everything we could, always did the end boss on heroic, until mythic 20 man raids killed it for us.
My guild broke up because I finally got the leader to talk in vent late one night. Turned out he was 14. We had been smooth sailing for over a year, but after that night nobody respected the kid anymore and it all broke up
I am currently an officer of my guild (wauw) in classic. I was initially made an officer to help out, but now I am the guy that raid leads as the RL for team 1 as the GM (and original RL) didn't like to call out peoples mistakes combined with him getting very angry. We did the switch to keep the group more balanced and in better spirit. Even though I am shittier then him in many aspects of the game. It's important to remind people that in the end of the day, it's a game and we are (mostly) all adults who don't wanna be berated.
@@LicoriceDiabetes it's because Cenarion Belt is like literal trash. There are *blue* belts from *Dungeons* with easy drop rates that are like 10x better than it. The only thing it's good for is to vendor it or hope that someday someone will be foolish enough to buy it off the AH.
My guild's raidleader during Throne of Thunder was exactly like the recordings you played. Extremely toxic and harsh on mistakes. My final raid with that guild was mostly him screaming abuse at us and we ended up wiping on Lei-Shen Heroic 1% the evening before SoO released. That same evening the guild disbanded due to everyone leaving. It was so sad but we could all see it coming.
The changes to raid lockouts in late-Wrath/early-Cata utterly devastated my server. We had a fairly decent raiding scene beforehand, but by the end of Cataclysm there were only about three 10-man raiding guilds left that ran Dragon Soul on a regular basis. Blizzard stated that they didn’t want players to feel forced into doing 10-man and 25-man every week to stay competitive, so they combined them into one lockout and made them drop the same gear. I understand their decision, but it ended up destroying a ton of guilds as a result because 10-man groups are just so much easier to organise and lead. My raiding life ended shortly after that. The last boss I ever killed as part of progression raiding was the mantid empress. I remember those days fondly, but I’m happy they’re over. I just play casually now and am relieved that I’m free from all the drama and nonsense that raiding inevitably creates. Thanks for the great video.
making them go under one lockout eliminated the loot funneling that most guilds were doing. blizz caught onto that and ended that. fast foward to 2023 and the raids lockouts are back to its old self with the exception to mythic raiding.
main reason i wasn't huge raider back in the day, because there were a lot guilds that dick hole leadership, instead of letting it go or teaching guild mates they yell at them and tell them they are shit, i don't need some jerk off that takes the game far to seriously to say shit like that.
had to turn that part way down. I'm used to the onyxia one because it's a classic but having it next to all the other ones reminded me how outrageously stupid and immature they're al acting
@@kyotheman69 One of the best guild I was in (raid wise) had a leader who would yell on u and call u names if u fucked up, maybe thats why we were in top 100 raiding guilds for 2.5 years
It really makes you see how 1) Absolutely terrible people those Guild Leaders were; And 2) How terrible of players they were. They're over there having a mental breakdown over a wipe and they're supposedly such a good player but... Nowadays Classic raids are farmed by PuGs on a daily basis.
Sorry for the delay in videos! Was busy for the holidays but I'm back at 100% now. This has been a request for a while - figured I'd give my spin on it. I avoid raid bosses since that's been covered already. Instead I go more into the social aspects of guild leading and some of the pitfalls you can run into.
That's a-okay! We love your content and if you need extra time for new year's I'm pretty sure most of us would be really understanding. Have a great day man appreciate the hours of entertainment and knowledge you've provided me!
You didn't mention players growing up through the years, shifting priorities for their changing lives. In my experience this is also heavily impacting.
I appreciate that cloister of trials music. I remember my older sister did BC raiding. I do remember watching her do Tempest Keep, and I think they did everything up to Sunwell. I don't think they broke up, they just gave up and decided to take a break before Wrath, lol.
KT is an objectively harder fight than anything in Black Temple. Hell if you've already done Tempest Keep and beaten Kael'thas then you won't even face a difficult boss in BT until Reliquary of Souls.
Your videos are more than just good to watch. They are special. You have style that pulls a viewer in and whispers sweet song to the heart. When I met you in a Classic BG during your climb to R14 I was so honored to have won that AB game with a true bro. Love from Grobbulus!
just wanted to vent my story. during wrath and cata i was the raid leader, the main tank, the one that put all the raids together, and the one that had to teach/gear other people up so they werent garbage at raiding. occasionally we would find one or two people that were good on their own but three people cant carry an entire raid. i was maining a rogue in cata because i wanted the legendary daggers but was forced to raid with my tank because if i didnt then there would be no raids at all. well one of the guys i played with who was a good player decided he had enough with the guild he was in and joined ours. he was a rogue with a tank as well but his old guild forced him to tank so he was tired of it. we came to an agreement, ill tank for the months of time it would take to get his rogues the legendary daggers and after he got them he would tank for my rogue to get them. about three months in i think (we were maybe three to four weeks away from getting his daggers) we are clearing the first bosses and just chatting in vent, he says "yea i think after i get my daggers im gonna take a break for a while" i said everything i could say besides "except you promised to help me get the daggers too remember?" which i guess i could have said but he always just talked about how tired he was blah blah blah. well the next week he just couldnt stop talking about how much he was looking forward to taking a break from wow. at this point id been playing wow for years and suffering being the only one responsible for anything raid related for 2 - 3 years, i didnt even know why i was still playing, so i passed guild leader to someone, logged out, and deleted vent. it felt as good as when i stopped using facebook. i cant say for sure but i think that was the feeling an addict gets when they finally stop using.
I don't have a proper source, but other comments (on other videos mentioning the incident) claim that the guild ran FFA due to severe Master Loot bugs that were present during original Vanilla.
I feel you man, I had the exact same experience when Cata came out. I raided with my guild through TBC and WOTLK. When Blizzard brought out Cata, Bioware brought out SWTOR and I didnt come back until WOD. Now maybe it was because I had been gone for so long, maybe playing casually with a small group of friends made the game feel more personal but I actually quite enjoyed WOD. It kept me around long enough to get back into raiding when Legion came out. I took another break just prior to BFA launching and Ive just returned, again playing casually hoping to find what it was that lured me back last time. In all sincereity though, I'm not feeling it and with other more modern games available with far fewer issues haunting them, i don't know if I'll ever enjoy this game like I once did.
When I was in second grade my dads guild let me raid with them. I don’t remember what the raid is but I played a balanced druid and stayed hip to hip with my dad for the most part. I only wiped us once because I got over 70 something stacks and didn’t run into a purification beam. It was super fun and they let me get a piece of raid gear. I think the staff started with a Ch..... it was a fantastic guild on feathermoon. If anyone reads this and recognizes the name Dweldalier I’m his kid. I think the level cap was 80 back when we raided.
My guild breaker was them booting the most lovable warlock in the guild because he had to log for bed before work instead of raiding. The guild collapsed as we all left to stand by his side. Within a few days, over 75% left.
At the end of Legion my guild had 900 active members, it wasn't rare to see 60+ at most times. We have 4 full raid teams on reset nights. With BfA we kicked the 2month+ inactives and merged with another guild. They split in Uldir because progression wasn't as fast as they wanted. Their guild collapsed and ours now only has ~200 members left, with about half of them being alts. It's rare at the best of times to see more than 6 people on. We haven't raided in over a year. I get my stuff done with pugs now.
I think one of the greatest mmorpg games has turned into a watered down mmo-single player version of itself. I think blizzard kept listening to the minority fan base who wanted an easier/anti social version for themselves and accomodated them, thus leaving out everyone. I think thats why we dont see 10 million players on any more.
Guild drama is the one I frequently saw during my time playing WoW. Between officers airing their dirty laundry over Vent on raid night, loot not going to specific people who believe deserved it, and officers unwilling to allow a DPS switch to Healer because the guild needed more diversity in healers, every guild with that involved, broke apart. I'm usually one of the first to leave when this begins to happen as I'm just here to have fun, not deal with drama that I saw daily IRL. WoW was an escape, but it became a haven for the things I sought to escape. Ultimately killing my desire to play the game I've enjoyed since 10 days before 2.0. Which does suck, though BFA being boring makes it worse.
Honestly the serious guilds treat this game as a damn second job or even the only thing you should do in your life. This is a sure fire way to end up in a guild full of angry burnt out uber hardcore nolifers who channel their rage of failure in life onto others who actually have a life outside of the game.
the guild breaker for my guild has been the officers and oldest members growing up and getting kids and shit and not having enough time to play the game anymore, leading to a lack of raiding people and the recruitment not getting enough proper players, making the good players leaving
"Always remember to take things in moderation, even in World of Warcraft" - Blizzard 2004 "Play our game every moment you are awake or you will fall behind" - Activision-Blizzard 2020
Shiirow revamp, but; I stopped playing around end Mop and played a month straight at 7-10 hours most days the past month. It really does take 3/4 hours even if you’re caught up to grind everything efficiently as possible
No one will ever do what Blizzard did with WoW ever again. I was an old school fan boy my whole life (37 now). I was even in closed WoW beta. They achieved a master piece and revolutionized online gaming forever. R.I.P. WoW. There will never be another like you. Thank you to all the friends/community for all the lol's over the years. I look back with nostalgia. Thank you WoW developers for all your hard work. Us nerds dont say it enough but THANK YOU!
Im sure there will be another revolutionary mmo like wow, 100x bigger on some kinda megaserver. But yeah seems like WoWs best days are 10 years behind them.
BFA was the bad expansion that almost killed our guild. I still hang out in our guild's discord, and it's pretty nice to see they downed Mythic Aszhara not too long ago. Good for them!
I quit with the Cataclysm as did most of my guild so can definitely confirm that expansion was a guild killer. Tweaking my spec and seeing if I could get higher #'s was my favorite part of the game.
Yep we do still exist today, but we don't have enough to raid. At this point we're just a small group of friends (5-7ish depending on the patch/expansion). One of the reasons why I'm such a big fan of mythic+!
I truly miss 40 man MC, BWL, AQ40, Onyxia's Lair and I believe Naxxramas was the final 40 man raid. Those were the days. Just getting enough people logged in was a major victory in itself.
Tyrannical no-life having nerd leadership is the reason I never got into raiding. I had a full-time job in the real world and didn't feel the desire to have another full-time job. One where I didn't make any real world money. I enjoyed hanging with a handful of people, solo questing, sometimes grouping up for 5-man dungeons, helping others, watching the neutral AH for legendary item exchanges so I could quickly snatch them for an extremely steep discount at the expense of whoever the intended buyer was, and participating in PvP.
My first raiding guild back in Burning Crusade fell victim to one of these... When Blizzard removed the requirements to enter the Tier 5 raids, a lot of guilds were eager to get loot off the easier bosses such as Void Reaver so they could have an easier time getting out of Karazhan/Gruul/Magtheridon. My guild was no exception. Although we had Karazhan and Gruul on farm (the latter, ehh...) at that point, we lacked coordination as a unit. I was on the B team when we cleared Karazhan, the A team were mainly the officers and higher tier members. While our team was slower, we pulled through, damn it. So that night we made our way to Tempest Keep and prepped ourselves once we zoned in. Got ready to pull the first trash group. Wiped almost instantly. Killed any remaining morale most of us had, if any. While the guild did not disband right away, people just stopped logging in and showing up to raids after. It was a complete joke.
I think Tempest Keep was the nail in the coffin for my BC guild too. We just couldn't progress at all in there or even in Serpentshrine Cavern. You wipe enough and shit falls apart lol
The trash in TK was fucking brutal. We literally had 4 mobs in a pull, while ONE of them was killed by 22 people in the raid, while 3 mages (me being one of them) was spamming polymorph on the other 3 targets. And not just "cast every now and then", but literally spamming poly, until the 1st target died, then we just swapped to spamming 1 target together with a 2nd mage, until the 3rd target died and all 3 spammed the last target until it was pulled.
What i love about you madseason is that ur videos are so calm i just spamm them 2nd monitor when doing boring wow stuff (farming mounts mogs etc.).They are jyust perfect
My hunter used to endlessly help run guildies through a dungeon passing on everything just to help them get geared. Then one day a rare drop bow, the only thing in the place I actually did need, appeared and instead of giving it to my hunter they gave it to a warrior who didn't even equip it. I never did group activity in a game again. It wasn't the bow or the situation in particular, it was the realization general happiness shouldn't be dependent upon the RNG of imaginary bits.
I was an officer in the guild Insanity Inc - Perenolde US which was later named to 3V (Veni Vidi Vici) We use to have two groups in vanilla WoW when it came to raiding. Group A being all the chads of the guild Group B the wannabe's It was amazing to see us on raid nights though, two groups running MC, BWL, and AQ40 At our peak, we would have anywhere from 100-110 people online on raid nights. But nothing could prepare us for the drama that came with Burning Crusade haha. We had so many people wanting a main raid spots in the 25 man, it was a job for the GM and officers to go over logs and hand pick the best players. Karazhan was our first hurdle since it was only 10 man. The first 10 man had mostly all the officers and the GM/CO-GM. Had so many people angry haha, spreading rumors behind backs. It was crazy. Thankfully we didn't have to remove people, they just up and left. Over the first year of BC, we went from having 120+ people in guild to probably 30-35 (lol) Our last raid was Throne of Thunder, in Mist. We couldn't get far and people just started losing interest or grew up, had kids and other duties. It was a fun guild, knowing that group of people for over ten years. We lost some people to illness, we remember their names and carry on their memories with us. I love being a "boomer", because the new players will never understand the bonds that we made with people for years and years. Long live 3V!
The removal of 10 man raiding is what broke my guild apart back during WoD.. we had a solid 10 Man raid throughout wotlk, cata, and mop, but then as soon as WoD Highmaul arrived and 10 man raiding was removed our guild broke up eventually. We struggled getting the final couple players who were reliable. we managed to have 17 reliable players but those last 3 slots, we just couldn't find anyone reliable, we trialed many players but they were flakes, MIA on raid nights or just sucked at raiding, and then we resorted to pugging and having a pugs leave midpull, yeah.. many canceled raid nights later due to lack of people, one day a mass exodus happened after another canceled raid night as everyone's frustration levels hit max and everyone went off to join other guilds or quit raiding. Then a guild I was in during Legion broke apart during Emerald Nightmare, and it was maybe a bit my fault.. We were being stonewalled by mythic Cenarius, I kept trying to feed helpful advice as to which adds the tanks/raid should be triggering as i saw that the dps were running out of steam and healers eventually couldn't keep up and seeing how the world first raids did the encounter, but they didn't take my advice and were stubbornly following some guide from the net and fatbosstv, so after weeks of being stuck there, knowing we could easily beat the boss as we had the dps and heals if only the stubborn leaders would take some helpful advice, i ended up quitting the guild and moved to a friend's guild who had an empty dps slot, who coincidentally was also on cenarius being stonewalled by the same bad/outdated strat, but the difference with this guild is that they were receptive to my advice, and needless to say, they decided to give it a shot, and after a couple pulls we ended up downing Cenarius and moved on to Xavius who we ended up downing the same night as well! So me being an asshole, i hopped on an alt that was still in my old guild, and posted the mythic cenarius and cutting edge xavius achievements, and commented on how the guild i was in took my advice, and by the end of the week after i assume after another failed raid, I learned that raid dissolved and had some peeps asking if still any room in the new guild I was in :P
Honestly Mythic raiding is just insanely challenging and you have to be more hardcore than anything you see in old WoW to actually succeed, grinding for hours everyday to max AP, max Ilvl progression as an individual, learning every boss strategy and executing it with near instantaneous response time or you die instantly whilst maintaining top DPS/HPS, the room for error is non existent and in the world of hyperbalance and pruning there are few clutches or cooldowns left to save your ass if you screw up even once.
Not familiar with that boss specifically... but as i remember it, very few bosses had multiple different strategies that you could employ... The only one that comes to mind is the really big guy in *_Firelands_* who blocked the bridge to the *_Druid Boss:_* I remember Healing that fight & having to explain to the group how much of a pain it'd be if we did it their way, versus how much easier it'd be on the Healers if we did it with an alternate strategy & technique (sorry, too long ago to detail specifics).
for someone who joined the game in MoP, and never raided with a guild i cannot imagine the feeling playing this game from the beginning with the same people. sounds dope!
One mention. - For the twin emperors, one tactic was to have a warlock tank. Because they could ward themselves from shadow damage and tank the boss' hitters, and they could tank it from afar as not to get feared out of range or anything.
I was mainly a DPS warrior in vanilla (oh... the memories), but turned tank in TBC when fury warrior DPS got obliterated. My guild at the time ran three separate Kara raids each week with like you said most of the guild leaders and top players being in the first group. The next best in the second group. And the peons in the third group. I was the main tank in the second group, and we did alright. We wiped here and there, and usually skipped over netherspite because it was too much for a few in our group to comprehend. One week I was late to raid night so I was relegated to the peon group. The pain that I was subject to over the course of the next six nights caused me to develop the rock solid time management skills that I have today. Never again... never again.
Cata was my favorite expansion because it allowed me to have multiple geared characters to Raid with without having to play 24/7. There were plenty of negatives with the expansion (introduction of lfr) but I felt that it was the most alt friendly and since I enjoyed playing multiple characters it ended up being great, imo of course.
My best memories of raid is when I was little my dad was in this all darwf hunter guild where they caped at certain lvls and did the old raids I can't recall the raid name but my mom called my dad to help him and he let me take over and I say about 8 years old and I was so happy to play the game I seeny dad play for hours but since I didn't really know what I was doing I was in the back not doing much, and it turned out I was the last alive. And everyone was saying to restart but I just keto running and rezing pet alive and it was very low to I eventually killed the raid boss that they been trying for a long time which made fall in love with the game at 8 years old. But sadly can't afford the membership of the game to continue playing it.
I don’t watch these videos for the title, because I started during the mists of pandaria expansion as a non hardcore player. I just leveled up to 20 and sometimes 25 and then started a new character because I got bored. Anyway, I watch these videos because you’re extremely entertaining.
With the change to 10 man raids my guild had a core group of officers aswell. I knew that we still had plenty of solid player and I started a second group within the guild to raid. Within weeks we were caught up too the core group and surpassing them. A third group then started for Karazan. We had multiple ppl to swap from groups, who knew the fights, and who could lead on any given night. The point is don't rely on others. Be strong enough to build your own.
Recently, I was in a raid guild. I won a roll a weapon. I was not in the “officer clique” tho. They wanted to give the loot to one of their friends. I called them out. I’d also decided I was going to bail on the guild after we finished CN They gave me the loots, but demoted me from raider to social. I quit that crappy guild and am happier for it. Lol 😝 Demoted for winning a roll...
It took my guild two months to kill lady vahj that was the hardest fight we had and we somehow went on and cleared BT I’m still amazed about that l, we whiped so many times.
The mad season show has to be the best WOW channel. So much personality, with such a relaxed voice. Merry Christmas and happy new year dude, have a good one.
If the changes in Wrath made subscriber growth almost stagnate, and then in Cata the sub numbers actually declined, why have Blizzard actually doubled down on this type of gameplay? isn't it in their interest to go back to the Vanilla and TBC type of MMO?
I never realized I quit right at the spot where the numbers started its massive decline right after Cata was released. Kind of nice knowing I wasnt alone.
Guadosalam, thanks for your awesome choice of music every time Madseason! *A Link to the Past Kakariko Village *Super Mario World Ending Simply awesome, thanks!
Here's a short story for you from when I played Wrath almost religiously. A few things I don't remember exactly, but I do remember the important bits. I joined a guild when I was a low level on the US server Bleeding Hollow with a buddy of mine at the time. The guild was pretty small, and was gearing up for the new raid, which was one of the greatest in the game at the time: ICC. Being a small guild, it was pretty ambitious to clear ICC, since we weren't hardcore raiders. The guild leader though, wanted to become a hardcore raider, without having any real experience. So fast forward a little and we're doing one of the new dungeons to get our GL's GS (yeah, remember gear score? that terrible system that was a make or break for if you got to raid) since the gear there was better than most previous raids. The only issue, was that I was in competition with our GL with the item - a staff that dropped off Tyrannus. So, we're clearing the dungeon, and he's constantly talking in vent about how he wants and hopes the staff drops so he can get it. Yes, he literally reserved the staff from a dungeon in which we were only running with 1 PuG, who was the tank. We clear it pretty easy, since the tank was pretty geared, except a few hiccups where my GL messed up by pulling more mobs. And eventually we get to the boss, we kill it after a second attempt, and like he was hoping for - the staff drops. He then begins to freak out like it was a legendary item. He needs it, rolls mid and tells us all to pass. Everyone passes...except me, because I had a worse weapon than my GL. And I won with a roll that was close to 100. Which sparks a rant from our GL, and a bit of rage, then kicks me from the guild. Shortly after, the guild ended up disbanding because of my previous GL's unreasonable demand on this huge ego-trip. TL;DR ICC and new dungeons just released so my guild leader wanted to change our small guild to a hardcore raiding guild. We ran one of the new dungeons where he reserved an item him and I both needed. I rolled need after him telling us to pass, because I needed it and was tired of hearing him brag about something he didn't even have yet. I won the roll and got kicked; guild then disbanded because he was being unreasonable with drops and raid times because of a huge ego trip.
As someone who went from a hardcore Sunwell raiding guild to my friend's casual raiding guild in TBC, I thought it was maybe be a small step down and with a little guidance could easily go far, considering the previous guild was ran like a military boot camp and everyone was miserable in it, surely a happy talkative group would be far more receptive to discussion? I had no idea I was entering into a nest of extreme ignorance, friendship cliques and incompetent people in power. Any attempt to teach or change strategy was met with hostility believing I was insulting them and their skills, whilst we constantly wiped to incredibly simple bosses in Karazhan, even the first boss which was well known PUGs could clear no problem. The guild leader let his girlfriend lead the raids which she was clearly not interested in doing, mostly consisting of telling people to watch/read an online guild and then we silently wipe whilst people screw up and blatantly didn't read the strategy, when I try to chime in and help I get told to shut up and stop patronising since GL GF is lead, ofc this is someone I have known for years so I don't want to upset our friendship, but you can only take wasting hours of your life so much to incompetence that it becomes untenable. I leave to join another raiding guild and I learn many of the skilled players also leave after me since they cannot carry all the others all the time anymore, and the guild eventually dies and I am forced to put my long term friend on ignore from the daily abuse he sends my way blaming me for conspiring to break up his guild, just sad.
FEfan56 i loved that fight. My guild slammed our faces against him for weeks and even once they did the first “fix” it was still insanely hard. Our first kill was probably the best moment in our guild, moreso than our first Rag, Nef kills. We had that pos on farm before they totally nerfed him but was still, imo, the toughest and most rewarding boss fight of vanilla (close 2nd was 4 horsemen in naxx imo)
Mate you forgot the biggest guild breaker of all: "Hello is a rapidly growing fun leveling guild that one day aims to do raiding! Please join for a fun and welcoming community!"
"I feel so unprotected by you all!"
*Casts Blessing of Protection*
Gold.
I was looking for that comment.
@@Onyxim Why?
15:06 (you're welcome)
:D
Anyone got the source for this?
I've never played WoW but watching these videos is almost like a history lesson on the origins of many game design choices I see in the more modern MMOs. Thanks for making these.
If you ninja and disenchant it on the spot, you are either a literal troll or you wanna see the world (of warcraft) burn.
I Wonder what does a Troll look like...
It was a dick move. But if you really think about it, there really is no reason to make such a big deal out of it. As long as the rest of the guild members are committed and loyal, losing loot from a boss means nothing in the long run.
@@plostar7 I agree, to an extent, cause there's the whole time investment thing and not everyone has hours in their day to just have a jerk person come in and destroy any chance of them making some progression on their character.
@@plostar7 Its the actions of a psychopath and it should not be encouraged or ignored. If it happens nowadays then its your own fault for joining a raid that isn't established as dkp or loot counsel. If you trust a pug to get gear you are getting burned.
That’s why my guild has a dkp system with loot council. I don’t care if you have the most dkp, if you don’t need it, my loot council is going to pass it to somebody who does. If you disenchant something that someone actually needs you’re out of the guild.
My guild must be one of those rare ones. We have been around since a few months after the launch of vanilla and are still around today with the same leadership as back then.
Impressive!
That's really awesome!
@David Waddell Night Eternal on Alleria-US.
That's really cool! :)
Wow what a coincidence. Same with my guild and I play on Alleria-EU
Cataclysm wasn't just a guild breaker, but also a realm breaker. My entire realm back then just fell apart because people quit, which made me quit as well.
Cataclysm is so unfortunately named.
This was True for my realm aswell, never rly get back to play properly after cata
Johan Gustavsson
Or fortunately named, based on your perspective
WOD was the second bullet in the head that ended the job, I played from TBC until WOD.
server transfer? lul
The 40 -> 25 raid size change was handled differently by my guild. We already had spare people on the benches. We went with 2x 25man raids. Many of us had alts as well and if needed the we just swapped people around.
I ran a guild from closed beta through vanilla. I believe the woman GM in your video was a former guild member we kicked for being a drama queen, her name was Kitiara, a druid.
I'd happily wager she is a he.
he prolly did that ninja on her cause he was over with this shit
@@StrongFreeLovin "And those are MY gloves hes having as well!"
its an honor to meet you
My God...I think she was in EverQuest as well. 🤯
"Wern't part of the Clique, wern't part of the raid." That phrase summarizes various quits from me.
Same.
Ain't that the truth, I literally out healed 2 of 3 of my last guilds raid healers and the 3rd(same class barely edged me out all of which were a tier of gear ahead of me and no chance of making the roster despite literally outperforming every healer they had.
@@flibityskibity6478 Yep, and it doesn't matter what MMO you play, or how good you do, as it always seems to just be favoritism. I've had people leave clans I was in often to where leaders and officers always wondered why, yet never listen or refuse to believe it when some of us told them. People feel left out, want a shot, and just get flat out ignored. Smaller the group the better chances, but underneath it's still the same result usually, and it's pretty sad.
its still that way today, they dont even want to give a little help to make you a better team player ,ill never join guilds again
I had this experience back in wotlk, we cleared naxx 25 man with a pretty solid group, but when ulduar was released, a "rebel" group inside the guild left to create their own guild. Then, in trial of champions the officers of the 2nd guild left their gm and made a 3rd guild. it was crazy, i had buddies in all of the 3 guilds asking me to join them, not coz i was a pro player, but coz they practically had not enough people to keep raiding. at least not in 25. Well, the first guild disbanded and some of the people made another guild (guild 4 i guess) and i joined them coz they were the group with less drama, and we did ICC in 10 man (we never passed the sanjains blood princes). and after a couple of months, guild number 4 disbanded coz some people left to join guild 2 and 3. The gm of guild 4 quit the game and i asked for the leadership before he left, he gave it to me. i kicked out all the people (most of them last connected by months) and now have a guild bank with a background full of treasons and fights among "friends".
The best kind of guild bank
Mine wasn't as convulted, it was simply a merger between my guild and a another which somehow ended with me in control of both, lol.
Ulduar killed alot of guilds because of hour easy the tier before was, was a shame but luckily it didn't kill off any big guilds, that was reserved for expansions to do.
Sounds like a bunch of casual dumbass noobs who can't see their dick past their stumaches. Loot gets put on farmed if you stfu and stick together with a controlled environment. Rage and quit and lose all opportunity over loot.
we had a guild breaker at the end of bc, when the pre wotlk event came out, and the guitar dropped in kz. oh god was a nightmare. luckily the raid leader said that he was telling the raid that the guitar was his and he would allow no rolls on it. that didn't go over well with the group. and he walked into kz alone, was like where is everyone. we ended up leaving the guild making a new guild and downing the boss to get the axe. he didn't get it lol.
I played wow 15 years, from the launch until I believe the start of legion or maybe end of world of draenor? Somewhere along there, the 15 year mark.
I was part of several hardcore guilds as well as some more casual guilds I played around in when I wasn't doing the hardcore stuff.
In all that time, I only really experienced 2 real drama moments. The first was in Burning Crusade when the 2nd warglaive of azzinoth dropped. It went to the main rogue on our raid team, who had the other one to complete the set. Immediately after he got it, he logged out and never logged in again. We found out not long after, he sold his account to someone for a few thousand dollars because he was one of the best geared rogues in the world and one of the few people who had both warglaives. It was disappointing for everyone else, but it honestly didn't really matter much because black temple had been on farm for a long time at that point and the expansion was pretty much over. That guild died before Sunwell released, so it was the only raid tier that I didn't complete when it was current content.
The second instance was many years later, in Mists of Pandaria, and the entire situation was just incredibly stupid. To put it into perspective, my father had just died of glioblastoma, a brain cancer, the week before and I had just started playing again. I had taken a month off from raiding to spend time with my father while he was dying and I was there with him when he passed. So I was obviously distraught, but I found playing WOW helped distract me from the bad thoughts and gave me something to do, so I started raiding again that next week.
Anyway, some item I had been wanting dropped from a boss we killed. Some weapon I believe? I think it was legendary or maybe held a legendary gem or something? I don't really remember, this was a long time ago. Regardless, the guild wanted me to get it because my character would've gotten the most use from it, which is how we always divided the loot up, but this other guy wanted it and said I was too unreliable to get it because I had missed a month of raiding. The group debated it for a bit, I didn't really participate because I didn't really care that much one way or the other. Ultimately, because I didn't seem to want it very much, they told the guy he could have it, so they gave it to him.
I didn't really care, but after a couple more boss fights, his dps had gone down instead of up, and the guild ultimately decided that the weapon should go to me instead and he agreed because the weapon wasnt working out for him anyway. This was during the era when you had a 2 hour window to trade raid loot before it became permanently bound to you. So he said he wanted to try DPSing one last boss with it before giving it up, so I said thats fine.
We fight the boss, and right before the boss dies he disconnects and is offline by the time the fight is over. He is well known for having notoriously bad internet and this isn't terribly unusual. I wait around for a an hour or so to see if he comes back on, because that 2 hour grace period to trade loot only counts while you're online. So eventually he does come back on and I immediately message him saying he needs to trade that weapon pretty quick because the time is probably running short at that point. But it was supposedly his wife instead of him playing the character. This was also not unusual as they both had accounts and played on each other's characters frequently. She said she didn't know what I was talking about, so I explained to her what happened and said she needed to trade the weapon to me before the time expires or it won't be tradable. She says she isn't going to give away one of his weapons if he isn't around and he had left after the raid without telling her anything about it. So I tell her she would have to log off the character until he got back so the timer won't run out, at which point she became unhinged and started going off about how she doesn't have to do what I tell her to do and she wants to play that character right then so she is going to, etc. So I essentially call her a crazy bitch because she started behaving like a crazy bitch, and I just didn't have the emotional bandwidth to deal with that level of stupidity at that point in time. I had absolutely no tolerance for nonsense given what happened just a few days prior to this with my father. Afterwards, I muted the character because I didn't want to further converse with her in a frenzied, crazy state and then I went about my business.
A few minutes later, I guess she finally realized that her messages were being blocked, she got on another character and started having unhinged rants, and I just muted each character on both of their accounts without saying a word to her because I just wasn't in the mood for any of it.
So the next day, I get on and its the actual guy, finally back, and he made a brand new character to try to go off on me for apparently insulting and disrespecting his wife and all sorts of other things. I told him exactly what happened and what I said, word for word, even had the logs to prove his wife was the one who just flew off the handle randomly, but of course he wasn't having any of it and didn't care at all what happened, so I just blocked him again and instead contacted the GM and told him what happened. Few minutes later, all of his and his wife's characters were removed from the guild because he didn't hand off that weapon as he was supposed to, started a bunch of nonsense drama, and everyone was already fed up with him anyway because he is so prone to disconnect during raids, so he was done.
Just because I was so irritated by the whole fiasco at this point, I decided to twist the knife and I reported them for account sharing, which was against the TOS. He admitted it many times in chat, from both accounts, that he did this so it would've been cake for anyone to confirm.
So I basically forget the whole mess, because I never cared for that guy anyway, and we're out doing dailies a few days later, and he pops up on another new character and starts rage whispering me. Apparently, those accounts had already been flagged and warned and temporarily suspended and all that from prior issues with account sharing on top of other violations. When the GMs got my report and confirmed he was account sharing again, they permanently banned both of their accounts.
I couldn't help but burst out laughing and I thanked him for letting me know before ignoring his character once again.
I'm usually not petty and spiteful, but after losing my father I was just not in the mood for childish stupidity, bullshit, and nonsense. I always smile when I think back to how that little asshole's behavior and greed, coupled with his wife's insane rant out of nowhere cost them a decade of work on those accounts though. Sometimes shitty people do get what is coming to them. Very next week, the item dropped again and I got it. It's funny, almost comical in a way, how many ways that whole situation could've been resolved amiably, but both of them were committed to being cunts and I didn't have the patience to play nice and be peace keeper with them at the time.
The first drama you mention, is mentioed in MadSeasonShow's vid here: ua-cam.com/video/e0Xp96z6IxE/v-deo.htmlm18s
Edit: corrections ;)
@@akirafan28 I just watched the vid. Although the circumstances are almost identical, it wasn't the same guy or guild.
We weren't method, but we were in the top 10, I believe around 7th or 8th in the world if memory serves. He was the first rogue on our server to get glaives and the best geared rogue on our server though, which also made him one of the best geared in the world at the time.
Edit: Oh! I also just remembered, he also had the Ashes of A'lar phoenix mount in addition to both warglaives.
Not sure how I could forget, he used to sit afk for hours in front of bank in Shattrath on that mount just showing off.
@@TheDrexxus I see. Thanks for sharing your stories!
What the phuk are u talking about nigga.
Thank you for sharing your stories. :)
Rolled up under a hot blanket watching TheMadSeasonShow for 20 mins.Thi is heaven.
Hah I am having coffee and enjoying my 💩
Same lol
Binging MSS is my ASMR
"It's proven that the color red, MAKEZ THINGZ GOZ FASTA YA BLOODY GITZ"
-An Ork from Warhammer 40k
I miss Geoff..
Sanic would disagree :D
@@dielaberbrudergaming6288 has red shoes though
LONG LIVE CLAN BATTLEHAMMER!!!
YOU EVA SEEN A PURPLE ORK? NO!?? I DIDNT DINK SO!!
15:13 “I feel unprotected by you all!”
*turns*
*casts blessing of protection*
In my experience, and without completely generalizing all of them, women/girls really think they deserve this special treatment. Again, not all of them but many did/do. I had some female GM saying we were all her children and had to call her mom. It was so nauseating i left the guild not long after. But I dont blame the females completely. The young boys and even some older men that didnt have a partner.. these types were mostly the fault.. they gave this special treatment, enabling it.
@@whoknows8225 Pretty sure I heard that (or similar) story on Preach's show
@@TheSuperQuail I guessed this GM wasnt unique in this behaviour either yet still strange tho.
@@whoknows8225 to be fair, I assure you that youve played with tons of girls and not even known it, so the ones who make their gender their whole gaming persona are the ones who stand out in your mind.
@@MNHRI😊❤
"I spent all of my emotion, That's why I'm dead to this day." The line that marked a day I died of laughter lol. Nicely put sir lol
4:06 i lost.
They don't call Deathwing the world-breaker for nothing.
biggest guild breaker: real life
You're "edgy."
Real life Is the least guild breakers, lots of players did not have one.
@@erikforsgren2285 nothing edgy there lmao
@@erikforsgren2285 I too have trouble understanding modern jargon.
@@infinitejest8012 yeah, more like wow is the life-breaker.
Over the last 15 years I've encountered many types of players, and with a few exceptions, I was lucky enough to avoid 90% of the toxicity. Had a main tank steal half my guild at one point; that sucked, but those of us left behind picked up and carried on. When I led raids (late vanilla through cata and all of legion) I never freaked out. Always thought that was such a terrible way to treat people.
This video definitely reminds me of groups I joined up with over the years though. Some people forgot that it's only a game. Good times.
Great video, thanks for the upload MadSeason!
Your videos are always something good to watch whenever I need a little wow in my life.
I feel you. I no longer play wow but I keep watching the streamers highlights and stuff that happen in Classic..
@@IWillSexU Exactly the same. Stopped playing about 5 years ago, tried classic and later on stopped once again but stil watching youtube content from time to time. Somehow one never completely quit WoW :D
I log into wow when I need some wow in my life, then I realise pre-patch is boring as fuck
I can never understand wow vids
If his videos "are always something to watch" why aren't you commenting in 2023?
We've had a guild that's been going strong since burning crusade. While the majority of us have quit over the years and return for every new expansion, we're still strong. Always raiding together, transferring servers together, etc. I've built long last friendships with all these guys over the last 10+ years.
Do you guys still play together? I wish I could find a guild like that
13 years in the current guild i'm in. We've played together since WOTLK, cleared everything we could, always did the end boss on heroic, until mythic 20 man raids killed it for us.
My guild broke up because I finally got the leader to talk in vent late one night. Turned out he was 14. We had been smooth sailing for over a year, but after that night nobody respected the kid anymore and it all broke up
I raid and guild led at age 12, I told people I was a girl... it didn't come out how old I was until Cata at which point nobody cared
I kinda feel bad, treat people of different ages or genders, the same way as the normal people you respect, whether positively or negatively
@@godlygamer911 so are you gay now or what?
U a rat
his performance didnt matter, but his birthday meant everything. thats a weird way to treat people...
I am currently an officer of my guild (wauw) in classic. I was initially made an officer to help out, but now I am the guy that raid leads as the RL for team 1 as the GM (and original RL) didn't like to call out peoples mistakes combined with him getting very angry. We did the switch to keep the group more balanced and in better spirit. Even though I am shittier then him in many aspects of the game.
It's important to remind people that in the end of the day, it's a game and we are (mostly) all adults who don't wanna be berated.
It's 2019 and people still are trying to sell cenarion belt.
As a non max level player hoping to get there soon, why is this a meme?
@@LicoriceDiabetes it's because Cenarion Belt is like literal trash.
There are *blue* belts from *Dungeons* with easy drop rates that are like 10x better than it.
The only thing it's good for is to vendor it or hope that someday someone will be foolish enough to buy it off the AH.
@@royalcat10 thankyou for the educational response - I shall not fall for the same trap!
@@LicoriceDiabetes lol dont listen to this guy, cenarion belt is decent
@@yooowhatupribs Who to trust now? You, or @royalcat10 ?
*Add Cenarius's "Hmmm..."
My guild's raidleader during Throne of Thunder was exactly like the recordings you played. Extremely toxic and harsh on mistakes.
My final raid with that guild was mostly him screaming abuse at us and we ended up wiping on Lei-Shen Heroic 1% the evening before SoO released. That same evening the guild disbanded due to everyone leaving.
It was so sad but we could all see it coming.
Why do you guys not leave sooner. Why stay in an abusive relationship.
The changes to raid lockouts in late-Wrath/early-Cata utterly devastated my server. We had a fairly decent raiding scene beforehand, but by the end of Cataclysm there were only about three 10-man raiding guilds left that ran Dragon Soul on a regular basis.
Blizzard stated that they didn’t want players to feel forced into doing 10-man and 25-man every week to stay competitive, so they combined them into one lockout and made them drop the same gear. I understand their decision, but it ended up destroying a ton of guilds as a result because 10-man groups are just so much easier to organise and lead.
My raiding life ended shortly after that. The last boss I ever killed as part of progression raiding was the mantid empress. I remember those days fondly, but I’m happy they’re over. I just play casually now and am relieved that I’m free from all the drama and nonsense that raiding inevitably creates.
Thanks for the great video.
making them go under one lockout eliminated the loot funneling that most guilds were doing. blizz caught onto that and ended that. fast foward to 2023 and the raids lockouts are back to its old self with the exception to mythic raiding.
Oh god those raid leaders LOL
main reason i wasn't huge raider back in the day, because there were a lot guilds that dick hole leadership, instead of letting it go or teaching guild mates they yell at them and tell them they are shit, i don't need some jerk off that takes the game far to seriously to say shit like that.
had to turn that part way down. I'm used to the onyxia one because it's a classic but having it next to all the other ones reminded me how outrageously stupid and immature they're al acting
@@kyotheman69 One of the best guild I was in (raid wise) had a leader who would yell on u and call u names if u fucked up, maybe thats why we were in top 100 raiding guilds for 2.5 years
It really makes you see how 1) Absolutely terrible people those Guild Leaders were; And 2) How terrible of players they were.
They're over there having a mental breakdown over a wipe and they're supposedly such a good player but...
Nowadays Classic raids are farmed by PuGs on a daily basis.
@@ChibbyChangaPlayz and yet you have limit where max isn't like that and is world first
"If you just act like a rational human being..."
THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE
Sorry for the delay in videos! Was busy for the holidays but I'm back at 100% now. This has been a request for a while - figured I'd give my spin on it. I avoid raid bosses since that's been covered already. Instead I go more into the social aspects of guild leading and some of the pitfalls you can run into.
Welcome back!
Love the content and watch every video!
Excellent video as usual :) thank you!
Glad to have you back
Welcome back and merry Christmas :)
That's a-okay! We love your content and if you need extra time for new year's I'm pretty sure most of us would be really understanding. Have a great day man appreciate the hours of entertainment and knowledge you've provided me!
You didn't mention players growing up through the years, shifting priorities for their changing lives.
In my experience this is also heavily impacting.
Joy L most likely because HE didn’t. ;)
I appreciate that cloister of trials music.
I remember my older sister did BC raiding. I do remember watching her do Tempest Keep, and I think they did everything up to Sunwell.
I don't think they broke up, they just gave up and decided to take a break before Wrath, lol.
KT is an objectively harder fight than anything in Black Temple. Hell if you've already done Tempest Keep and beaten Kael'thas then you won't even face a difficult boss in BT until Reliquary of Souls.
Your videos are more than just good to watch. They are special. You have style that pulls a viewer in and whispers sweet song to the heart.
When I met you in a Classic BG during your climb to R14 I was so honored to have won that AB game with a true bro. Love from Grobbulus!
just wanted to vent my story.
during wrath and cata i was the raid leader, the main tank, the one that put all the raids together, and the one that had to teach/gear other people up so they werent garbage at raiding.
occasionally we would find one or two people that were good on their own but three people cant carry an entire raid.
i was maining a rogue in cata because i wanted the legendary daggers but was forced to raid with my tank because if i didnt then there would be no raids at all.
well one of the guys i played with who was a good player decided he had enough with the guild he was in and joined ours.
he was a rogue with a tank as well but his old guild forced him to tank so he was tired of it.
we came to an agreement, ill tank for the months of time it would take to get his rogues the legendary daggers and after he got them he would tank for my rogue to get them.
about three months in i think (we were maybe three to four weeks away from getting his daggers) we are clearing the first bosses and just chatting in vent, he says "yea i think after i get my daggers im gonna take a break for a while"
i said everything i could say besides "except you promised to help me get the daggers too remember?" which i guess i could have said but he always just talked about how tired he was blah blah blah.
well the next week he just couldnt stop talking about how much he was looking forward to taking a break from wow.
at this point id been playing wow for years and suffering being the only one responsible for anything raid related for 2 - 3 years, i didnt even know why i was still playing, so i passed guild leader to someone, logged out, and deleted vent.
it felt as good as when i stopped using facebook.
i cant say for sure but i think that was the feeling an addict gets when they finally stop using.
I'll never not laugh when you use the word "bullcorn".
I am genuinely so happy you included vent tbc rage at 6:29 ! It has been my all time favorite video :D
Even in Classic there was a mechanism to avoid ninja looting. Any guild that ran FFA for looting was just waiting for this to happen.
apart from the chest on majordomo didnt matter if you had master looter enabled it was default FFA
i was going to comment then i noticed i had already
@@tomsettle2631 That's fair, but wasn't that a bug they fixed later during vanilla's lifecycle? Or was that always an even during TBC?
@@the_synack that chest has always been ffa
I don't have a proper source, but other comments (on other videos mentioning the incident) claim that the guild ran FFA due to severe Master Loot bugs that were present during original Vanilla.
6:25 Blue themed login screen from WOTLK just "ooof" my nostalgic hearth.
I miss that login screen
Mic is definitely quieter
"I feel unprotected by you guys."
*Blessing of Protection"
I noticed that as well :D I couldn`t stop laughing at that :D
I feel you man, I had the exact same experience when Cata came out. I raided with my guild through TBC and WOTLK. When Blizzard brought out Cata, Bioware brought out SWTOR and I didnt come back until WOD. Now maybe it was because I had been gone for so long, maybe playing casually with a small group of friends made the game feel more personal but I actually quite enjoyed WOD. It kept me around long enough to get back into raiding when Legion came out. I took another break just prior to BFA launching and Ive just returned, again playing casually hoping to find what it was that lured me back last time. In all sincereity though, I'm not feeling it and with other more modern games available with far fewer issues haunting them, i don't know if I'll ever enjoy this game like I once did.
When I was in second grade my dads guild let me raid with them. I don’t remember what the raid is but I played a balanced druid and stayed hip to hip with my dad for the most part. I only wiped us once because I got over 70 something stacks and didn’t run into a purification beam. It was super fun and they let me get a piece of raid gear. I think the staff started with a Ch..... it was a fantastic guild on feathermoon. If anyone reads this and recognizes the name Dweldalier I’m his kid. I think the level cap was 80 back when we raided.
the guild roster with those last time seen felt like a stab in my heart
My guild breaker was them booting the most lovable warlock in the guild because he had to log for bed before work instead of raiding. The guild collapsed as we all left to stand by his side. Within a few days, over 75% left.
Christmas just keeps on giving.
At the end of Legion my guild had 900 active members, it wasn't rare to see 60+ at most times. We have 4 full raid teams on reset nights. With BfA we kicked the 2month+ inactives and merged with another guild. They split in Uldir because progression wasn't as fast as they wanted. Their guild collapsed and ours now only has ~200 members left, with about half of them being alts. It's rare at the best of times to see more than 6 people on. We haven't raided in over a year. I get my stuff done with pugs now.
Oof, BfA killed all the goodwill and rising population from Legion, Blizzard loves to burn it's house down.
Same happened in Cata and WoD, when they put out shit expansions everybody leaves
I think one of the greatest mmorpg games has turned into a watered down mmo-single player version of itself. I think blizzard kept listening to the minority fan base who wanted an easier/anti social version for themselves and accomodated them, thus leaving out everyone. I think thats why we dont see 10 million players on any more.
Guild drama is the one I frequently saw during my time playing WoW. Between officers airing their dirty laundry over Vent on raid night, loot not going to specific people who believe deserved it, and officers unwilling to allow a DPS switch to Healer because the guild needed more diversity in healers, every guild with that involved, broke apart. I'm usually one of the first to leave when this begins to happen as I'm just here to have fun, not deal with drama that I saw daily IRL. WoW was an escape, but it became a haven for the things I sought to escape. Ultimately killing my desire to play the game I've enjoyed since 10 days before 2.0. Which does suck, though BFA being boring makes it worse.
Honestly the serious guilds treat this game as a damn second job or even the only thing you should do in your life. This is a sure fire way to end up in a guild full of angry burnt out uber hardcore nolifers who channel their rage of failure in life onto others who actually have a life outside of the game.
the guild breaker for my guild has been the officers and oldest members growing up and getting kids and shit and not having enough time to play the game anymore, leading to a lack of raiding people and the recruitment not getting enough proper players, making the good players leaving
"Always remember to take things in moderation, even in World of Warcraft"
"Always remember to take things in moderation, even in World of Warcraft" - Blizzard 2004
"Play our game every moment you are awake or you will fall behind" - Activision-Blizzard 2020
Shiirow revamp, but; I stopped playing around end Mop and played a month straight at 7-10 hours most days the past month. It really does take 3/4 hours even if you’re caught up to grind everything efficiently as possible
i would like to see cthun unnerfed in his ''unbeatable'' status back and see if its really impossible to do it
Man i love your historical videos, its a time-travelling experience
Wait that's my guild at 0:55 o.O and that's me with the pirate hat saluting along the lower border... Stormlords represent! How did you find us?
Maybe he was in stormlords and you never knew 😉
No one will ever do what Blizzard did with WoW ever again. I was an old school fan boy my whole life (37 now). I was even in closed WoW beta. They achieved a master piece and revolutionized online gaming forever. R.I.P. WoW. There will never be another like you. Thank you to all the friends/community for all the lol's over the years. I look back with nostalgia. Thank you WoW developers for all your hard work. Us nerds dont say it enough but THANK YOU!
Im sure there will be another revolutionary mmo like wow, 100x
bigger on some kinda megaserver. But yeah seems like WoWs best days are 10 years behind them.
BFA was the bad expansion that almost killed our guild. I still hang out in our guild's discord, and it's pretty nice to see they downed Mythic Aszhara not too long ago. Good for them!
LOL Raging Druid getting bloodlusted with the sound effect was gold
I quit with the Cataclysm as did most of my guild so can definitely confirm that expansion was a guild killer. Tweaking my spec and seeing if I could get higher #'s was my favorite part of the game.
THank you for quiting :D our guild grew stronger and better hard in that expansion because people looked for a guild xD and still going strong,
literally my favorite world of warcraft content creator on youtube. thank you for all the videos you make.
lol I wouldn't let the person signing my pay check talk to me like that, let alone some random no life loser in their mom's basement.
I bet my money on Deathbringer's loot
Edit: you've been in the same guild all your life? That's awesome, bro
Yep we do still exist today, but we don't have enough to raid. At this point we're just a small group of friends (5-7ish depending on the patch/expansion). One of the reasons why I'm such a big fan of mythic+!
@@madseasonshow are you playing classic and retail? I wish there was a m+ type format in classic.
@@madseasonshow does your guild still exist? I have a 440 frost DK and I prefer m+ to raiding.
"I feel unprotected by you all!"
Pally: "OH! Something I can fix!"
I truly miss 40 man MC, BWL, AQ40, Onyxia's Lair and I believe Naxxramas was the final 40 man raid. Those were the days. Just getting enough people logged in was a major victory in itself.
Disenchanting the loot you ninja'd is the ultimate power move lmao
Hey man merry Christmas
Tyrannical no-life having nerd leadership is the reason I never got into raiding. I had a full-time job in the real world and didn't feel the desire to have another full-time job. One where I didn't make any real world money. I enjoyed hanging with a handful of people, solo questing, sometimes grouping up for 5-man dungeons, helping others, watching the neutral AH for legendary item exchanges so I could quickly snatch them for an extremely steep discount at the expense of whoever the intended buyer was, and participating in PvP.
My first raiding guild back in Burning Crusade fell victim to one of these...
When Blizzard removed the requirements to enter the Tier 5 raids, a lot of guilds were eager to get loot off the easier bosses such as Void Reaver so they could have an easier time getting out of Karazhan/Gruul/Magtheridon. My guild was no exception. Although we had Karazhan and Gruul on farm (the latter, ehh...) at that point, we lacked coordination as a unit. I was on the B team when we cleared Karazhan, the A team were mainly the officers and higher tier members. While our team was slower, we pulled through, damn it.
So that night we made our way to Tempest Keep and prepped ourselves once we zoned in. Got ready to pull the first trash group.
Wiped almost instantly. Killed any remaining morale most of us had, if any. While the guild did not disband right away, people just stopped logging in and showing up to raids after. It was a complete joke.
I think Tempest Keep was the nail in the coffin for my BC guild too. We just couldn't progress at all in there or even in Serpentshrine Cavern. You wipe enough and shit falls apart lol
The trash in TK was fucking brutal. We literally had 4 mobs in a pull, while ONE of them was killed by 22 people in the raid, while 3 mages (me being one of them) was spamming polymorph on the other 3 targets. And not just "cast every now and then", but literally spamming poly, until the 1st target died, then we just swapped to spamming 1 target together with a 2nd mage, until the 3rd target died and all 3 spammed the last target until it was pulled.
What i love about you madseason is that ur videos are so calm i just spamm them 2nd monitor when doing boring wow stuff (farming mounts mogs etc.).They are jyust perfect
My hunter used to endlessly help run guildies through a dungeon passing on everything just to help them get geared. Then one day a rare drop bow, the only thing in the place I actually did need, appeared and instead of giving it to my hunter they gave it to a warrior who didn't even equip it. I never did group activity in a game again. It wasn't the bow or the situation in particular, it was the realization general happiness shouldn't be dependent upon the RNG of imaginary bits.
I was an officer in the guild Insanity Inc - Perenolde US which was later named to 3V (Veni Vidi Vici)
We use to have two groups in vanilla WoW when it came to raiding.
Group A being all the chads of the guild
Group B the wannabe's
It was amazing to see us on raid nights though, two groups running MC, BWL, and AQ40
At our peak, we would have anywhere from 100-110 people online on raid nights. But nothing could prepare us for the drama that came with Burning Crusade haha. We had so many people wanting a main raid spots in the 25 man, it was a job for the GM and officers to go over logs and hand pick the best players. Karazhan was our first hurdle since it was only 10 man. The first 10 man had mostly all the officers and the GM/CO-GM. Had so many people angry haha, spreading rumors behind backs. It was crazy. Thankfully we didn't have to remove people, they just up and left. Over the first year of BC, we went from having 120+ people in guild to probably 30-35 (lol)
Our last raid was Throne of Thunder, in Mist. We couldn't get far and people just started losing interest or grew up, had kids and other duties. It was a fun guild, knowing that group of people for over ten years. We lost some people to illness, we remember their names and carry on their memories with us.
I love being a "boomer", because the new players will never understand the bonds that we made with people for years and years.
Long live 3V!
The removal of 10 man raiding is what broke my guild apart back during WoD.. we had a solid 10 Man raid throughout wotlk, cata, and mop, but then as soon as WoD Highmaul arrived and 10 man raiding was removed our guild broke up eventually.
We struggled getting the final couple players who were reliable. we managed to have 17 reliable players but those last 3 slots, we just couldn't find anyone reliable, we trialed many players but they were flakes, MIA on raid nights or just sucked at raiding, and then we resorted to pugging and having a pugs leave midpull, yeah.. many canceled raid nights later due to lack of people, one day a mass exodus happened after another canceled raid night as everyone's frustration levels hit max and everyone went off to join other guilds or quit raiding.
Then a guild I was in during Legion broke apart during Emerald Nightmare, and it was maybe a bit my fault.. We were being stonewalled by mythic Cenarius, I kept trying to feed helpful advice as to which adds the tanks/raid should be triggering as i saw that the dps were running out of steam and healers eventually couldn't keep up and seeing how the world first raids did the encounter, but they didn't take my advice and were stubbornly following some guide from the net and fatbosstv, so after weeks of being stuck there, knowing we could easily beat the boss as we had the dps and heals if only the stubborn leaders would take some helpful advice, i ended up quitting the guild and moved to a friend's guild who had an empty dps slot, who coincidentally was also on cenarius being stonewalled by the same bad/outdated strat, but the difference with this guild is that they were receptive to my advice, and needless to say, they decided to give it a shot, and after a couple pulls we ended up downing Cenarius and moved on to Xavius who we ended up downing the same night as well! So me being an asshole, i hopped on an alt that was still in my old guild, and posted the mythic cenarius and cutting edge xavius achievements, and commented on how the guild i was in took my advice, and by the end of the week after i assume after another failed raid, I learned that raid dissolved and had some peeps asking if still any room in the new guild I was in :P
Honestly Mythic raiding is just insanely challenging and you have to be more hardcore than anything you see in old WoW to actually succeed, grinding for hours everyday to max AP, max Ilvl progression as an individual, learning every boss strategy and executing it with near instantaneous response time or you die instantly whilst maintaining top DPS/HPS, the room for error is non existent and in the world of hyperbalance and pruning there are few clutches or cooldowns left to save your ass if you screw up even once.
you couldn't find 3 reliable raiders right after wows peak? Must be some shitty recruiters.
Not familiar with that boss specifically... but as i remember it, very few bosses had multiple different strategies that you could employ... The only one that comes to mind is the really big guy in *_Firelands_* who blocked the bridge to the *_Druid Boss:_* I remember Healing that fight & having to explain to the group how much of a pain it'd be if we did it their way, versus how much easier it'd be on the Healers if we did it with an alternate strategy & technique (sorry, too long ago to detail specifics).
for someone who joined the game in MoP, and never raided with a guild i cannot imagine the feeling playing this game from the beginning with the same people. sounds dope!
One mention. - For the twin emperors, one tactic was to have a warlock tank.
Because they could ward themselves from shadow damage and tank the boss' hitters, and they could tank it from afar as not to get feared out of range or anything.
There's no fear mechanic on Twin Emps...
He knows , he's just commenting on how long it took guilds to figure that out because "only a warrior can tank".
I was mainly a DPS warrior in vanilla (oh... the memories), but turned tank in TBC when fury warrior DPS got obliterated. My guild at the time ran three separate Kara raids each week with like you said most of the guild leaders and top players being in the first group. The next best in the second group. And the peons in the third group. I was the main tank in the second group, and we did alright. We wiped here and there, and usually skipped over netherspite because it was too much for a few in our group to comprehend.
One week I was late to raid night so I was relegated to the peon group. The pain that I was subject to over the course of the next six nights caused me to develop the rock solid time management skills that I have today. Never again... never again.
I hope you had a good Christmas Mad
Same to you. Thanks for watching!
I can't verbally explain how much I love you for using FFX music in your videos.
I got binding last night and the whole server said grats
grats
grats
I have no idea what that is but grats!
@Corey from Corey's World omg its been 8 months and i still havent gotten left binding....
Cata was my favorite expansion because it allowed me to have multiple geared characters to Raid with without having to play 24/7. There were plenty of negatives with the expansion (introduction of lfr) but I felt that it was the most alt friendly and since I enjoyed playing multiple characters it ended up being great, imo of course.
My best memories of raid is when I was little my dad was in this all darwf hunter guild where they caped at certain lvls and did the old raids I can't recall the raid name but my mom called my dad to help him and he let me take over and I say about 8 years old and I was so happy to play the game I seeny dad play for hours but since I didn't really know what I was doing I was in the back not doing much, and it turned out I was the last alive. And everyone was saying to restart but I just keto running and rezing pet alive and it was very low to I eventually killed the raid boss that they been trying for a long time which made fall in love with the game at 8 years old. But sadly can't afford the membership of the game to continue playing it.
I don’t watch these videos for the title, because I started during the mists of pandaria expansion as a non hardcore player. I just leveled up to 20 and sometimes 25 and then started a new character because I got bored. Anyway, I watch these videos because you’re extremely entertaining.
"I used the World of Warcraft to destroy the World of Warcraft"
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The Blue Danube waltz fit so perfectly in this video.
What did you get for Christmas MadSeasonShow?
With the change to 10 man raids my guild had a core group of officers aswell. I knew that we still had plenty of solid player and I started a second group within the guild to raid. Within weeks we were caught up too the core group and surpassing them. A third group then started for Karazan. We had multiple ppl to swap from groups, who knew the fights, and who could lead on any given night.
The point is don't rely on others. Be strong enough to build your own.
Tony Piazza LOL, you are relying on others just as much with your method....
Recently, I was in a raid guild. I won a roll a weapon. I was not in the “officer clique” tho. They wanted to give the loot to one of their friends. I called them out. I’d also decided I was going to bail on the guild after we finished CN They gave me the loots, but demoted me from raider to social. I quit that crappy guild and am happier for it. Lol 😝 Demoted for winning a roll...
It took my guild two months to kill lady vahj that was the hardest fight we had and we somehow went on and cleared BT I’m still amazed about that l, we whiped so many times.
The mad season show has to be the best WOW channel.
So much personality, with such a relaxed voice.
Merry Christmas and happy new year dude, have a good one.
I haven't seen all your stuff, but a lot of it. This one was probably the best one you've ever done.
If the changes in Wrath made subscriber growth almost stagnate, and then in Cata the sub numbers actually declined, why have Blizzard actually doubled down on this type of gameplay? isn't it in their interest to go back to the Vanilla and TBC type of MMO?
Dude you need way more subs!
I stopped playing wow 2 years ago but i still watch your videos
The Ninja Looters montage just makes me empathize with the ninja looters lmao
Level of enthusiasm in this guy's videos is over 9000
I never realized I quit right at the spot where the numbers started its massive decline right after Cata was released. Kind of nice knowing I wasnt alone.
Guadosalam, thanks for your awesome choice of music every time Madseason!
*A Link to the Past Kakariko Village
*Super Mario World Ending
Simply awesome, thanks!
10:51 he definitely had to get that solid stone as well. :D:D:D
Here's a short story for you from when I played Wrath almost religiously. A few things I don't remember exactly, but I do remember the important bits.
I joined a guild when I was a low level on the US server Bleeding Hollow with a buddy of mine at the time. The guild was pretty small, and was gearing up for the new raid, which was one of the greatest in the game at the time: ICC. Being a small guild, it was pretty ambitious to clear ICC, since we weren't hardcore raiders. The guild leader though, wanted to become a hardcore raider, without having any real experience. So fast forward a little and we're doing one of the new dungeons to get our GL's GS (yeah, remember gear score? that terrible system that was a make or break for if you got to raid) since the gear there was better than most previous raids. The only issue, was that I was in competition with our GL with the item - a staff that dropped off Tyrannus.
So, we're clearing the dungeon, and he's constantly talking in vent about how he wants and hopes the staff drops so he can get it. Yes, he literally reserved the staff from a dungeon in which we were only running with 1 PuG, who was the tank. We clear it pretty easy, since the tank was pretty geared, except a few hiccups where my GL messed up by pulling more mobs. And eventually we get to the boss, we kill it after a second attempt, and like he was hoping for - the staff drops. He then begins to freak out like it was a legendary item. He needs it, rolls mid and tells us all to pass. Everyone passes...except me, because I had a worse weapon than my GL. And I won with a roll that was close to 100. Which sparks a rant from our GL, and a bit of rage, then kicks me from the guild. Shortly after, the guild ended up disbanding because of my previous GL's unreasonable demand on this huge ego-trip.
TL;DR ICC and new dungeons just released so my guild leader wanted to change our small guild to a hardcore raiding guild. We ran one of the new dungeons where he reserved an item him and I both needed. I rolled need after him telling us to pass, because I needed it and was tired of hearing him brag about something he didn't even have yet. I won the roll and got kicked; guild then disbanded because he was being unreasonable with drops and raid times because of a huge ego trip.
As someone who went from a hardcore Sunwell raiding guild to my friend's casual raiding guild in TBC, I thought it was maybe be a small step down and with a little guidance could easily go far, considering the previous guild was ran like a military boot camp and everyone was miserable in it, surely a happy talkative group would be far more receptive to discussion? I had no idea I was entering into a nest of extreme ignorance, friendship cliques and incompetent people in power. Any attempt to teach or change strategy was met with hostility believing I was insulting them and their skills, whilst we constantly wiped to incredibly simple bosses in Karazhan, even the first boss which was well known PUGs could clear no problem. The guild leader let his girlfriend lead the raids which she was clearly not interested in doing, mostly consisting of telling people to watch/read an online guild and then we silently wipe whilst people screw up and blatantly didn't read the strategy, when I try to chime in and help I get told to shut up and stop patronising since GL GF is lead, ofc this is someone I have known for years so I don't want to upset our friendship, but you can only take wasting hours of your life so much to incompetence that it becomes untenable. I leave to join another raiding guild and I learn many of the skilled players also leave after me since they cannot carry all the others all the time anymore, and the guild eventually dies and I am forced to put my long term friend on ignore from the daily abuse he sends my way blaming me for conspiring to break up his guild, just sad.
I really want them to put in unpatched C'thun in Classic to see just how impossible it is now that everybody is not complete shit at the game.
FEfan56 i loved that fight. My guild slammed our faces against him for weeks and even once they did the first “fix” it was still insanely hard. Our first kill was probably the best moment in our guild, moreso than our first Rag, Nef kills. We had that pos on farm before they totally nerfed him but was still, imo, the toughest and most rewarding boss fight of vanilla (close 2nd was 4 horsemen in naxx imo)
Some sort of Hard Mode C'Thun right??
Classic uses a different engine than vanilla, so it's already not the same.
The tuning in this engine is 300% easier
I'm completly new to WoW and all these videos of yours are really interesting
biggest guildbreaker of all time is tinyviolin
These rages are half the reason I'm still guildless even after 11 years on and off
Mate you forgot the biggest guild breaker of all: "Hello is a rapidly growing fun leveling guild that one day aims to do raiding! Please join for a fun and welcoming community!"
Your background music choice is always on point. Giving my ptsd to my 5 year old self trying to do ffx's trials.
I did it again. So early to a nice Video of yours again :)
Greetings from Europe.
Grettings from U.S.. Thanks for watching!
Hilarious when in that clip where the guy is chewing out his healers for not avoiding Fear, it sounds like he almost says, "Cause I blame myself."