OUTRAGEOUS NEW TAX ON UTES could cost YOU $15,000! Why the Govt got this WRONG.
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- Опубліковано 5 тра 2024
- The Government wants to implement a bill that is a ute tax that could mean you will pay $15 - $20k more for a dual cab like a Toyota Hilux or Ford Ranger.💰
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I'm a firefighter, and from our perspective EV fires are a nightmare, you need thousands of Liters of water to put it out. Also the amount of toxic smoke that comes off Lithium batteries is alot worse the your standard diesel and petrol vehicles. When a lithium battery is put out it could reignite hours/days/weeks later. There must be a way the people can over throw this spas government.
how many EV fires have you attended vs regular car fires though?
Regular cars catch fire all the time (looking at you ford ranger) and no-one bats an eye, EV catches fire and everyone looses their mind! We can thank the media and our conservative culture for that.
It's the corporate lobbyists who push this bullshit when Aussies should be demanding better public transport
Sydney used to have a network of free trams but the lobbyists demanded more space for highways
The problem is that an ice vehicle is reasonably simple to extinguish, EV's however are not, the lithium fires are intense. Overseas they have to use dunk tanks and leave the EV's submerged for days to make sure they dont re-ignite.@@Typingwithpaws
@@Typingwithpaws because like the firefighter said, ev fires are more dangerous. Very hard to put out and once you do it can reignite. Does that happen to regular cars? So thats why no one bats an eyelid, ev fires are much worse than regular car fires.
Sounds like you will be driving a electric firetruck soon if they have their way, wonder if it could carry all your water and not run out of battery or worse your firetruck catches fire.
For those living under a rock if the new tax goes through, we'll be paying GST, Luxury Car Tax, Emission Tax, Stamp Duty and registration to the Government before we even drive the car off the lot and then we'll be paying a continual stream of fuel excise, more GST, tolls, and yearly rego (not to mention insurance) just to drive around. Reckon the Government is taking more than its fair share of our hard earned dollar. Wouldn't it be nice for a change for the Government to come up with a "solution" to a problem that doesn't involve raising a tax, levy or fine.
Ban all cars over 2.5T from cities?
You forgot the income tax you paid to get the money to buy the car in the first place
@@lukevidal2758I hear they don't have income tax in Mogadishu
Looks nice this time of year too😊
@@lukevidal2758 so many taxes you can't remember them all
@@Ktmfan450 You could have picked any dump in the world for your example, but you picked one known for it's taxation practices. lol
As a 4wd driver, I completely with you on the Tax issue. But I need to say,although Aussie vs China 1:30 percentage of emissions is a fact, but I don’t like this comparison :)
China has 1.4 billion populations and Aussie 28 million. That’s 1 : 50.
China is the manufacturing hub for the world and it produces all kinds of things that ppl worldwide need daily. That cost fossil fuels. What we produce these days? Kangaroo ???😂
We should think about how to focus on our responsibilities but not pointing fingers to others, especially those countries like China & India who are doing the hard work that western countries no longer want to. Not mentioning these countries are just able to feed their ppl not a long time decades ago.
Agree, a per capita comparison is much more legit.
Spot the CCP properganda operative. Also found around universities policing international students
Good point
There is also that thing of, do we really want to be comparing ourselves to China?
4wd enthusiast - not disagreeing. But in the interest of being 'scientific' Australia has 0.33 percent of the global population (World Bank data 2021) and produces ~1% of World's CO2 emissions, 21.2% coming from transportation. Probs half of that comes from 5OO77Y (not scientific 😉)
32.6% comes from burning fossil fuel for energy. We should have gone nuclear a long time ago!
Wow. People are easily sucked into things they see on the internet. Has anyone here actually read the efficiency standards proposal? There is no tax. No one is saying you can't have a diesel vehicle, just that manufacturers have to offset them.with other more efficient models in their range. This is the same thing that happens in every country except us and Russia. It also impacts new cars only so your old s-box will be fine.
It will make cars more expensive for no good reason. It’s a tax by stealth - redistributing wealth from rural Australians to the inner cities.
It still makes them more expensive to buy regardless?
For christ sakes get the facts
@@joskonings1715what facts am I missing? It’s basic economics. Rural people will not drive EVs like city people will because EVs are not suited to rural areas.
Is that you Albo, or some other Labour propagandist.?
Every single tradie, 4wd and camping enthusiast should be protesting this in every capital city in Oz, similar to the farmers in Europe.
Do it. So we can see on the news how many stupid people can't actually understand the policy or analysis...and are gullible enough to believe a couple of pissheads talking shit on youtube.
Minority protest!
wont cost tradies a cent if they can prove they work out of it... the problem is all the people who got an ABN just to buy a 4by and claim the tax back... never working a day out of it.. this doesnt apply to commercial vehicles or anyone with a genuine log book
Farmers truck drivers as well see how they go starving them to some sort of common sense
@@karloz83 I don't see anyone protesting Coles and Woolworths making billions in profit while ripping off farmers and suppliers
It’s time for people to grow some balls and stand up to this shit.
I don't give a flying F about rich people
Need to organise a march on Parliament House to stand against this crap
Well said mate, we’re all sick & tired of the f__ktard politicians. The world has gone mad.
@@killenukont4170 Yeah that'll work wonders lol
@@justinhollis5579 I don’t see you putting out any ideas What else are people supposed to to do in this PATHETIC COUNTRY. If we can’t even join up to march in protest against the Government
FYI, "Paul Burke, the head of the Arndt-Corden Department of Economics at the Australian National University, rejected the notion that a new vehicle efficiency standard was a tax.
"A tax is a mandatory charge that collects revenue for the government," he told Fact Check in an email. "This is not the case here - it is a scheme that requires average efficiency standards are met by suppliers of new vehicles, with suppliers able to trade credits to meet compliance requirements.""
wow!
Christ .. ‘tax every vehicle’ ? … the new efficiency standards don’t touch existing vehicles at all.
Australia is one of only 2 countries in the world that doesn’t have efficiency standards ..
Exactly the intent. If it burns Dino juice they want to tax you into extinction
Yeah but then the cashed up bogans won't have anything to cry about how persecuted they are if they admit that.
mate we all need to stand up together our government is ruling our lives and only filling their own pockets i cant afford to buy a 5 grand car let alone afford a 90 grand ev car we are getting poorer and the government is getting rich we need to stand up to them and say no we will not roll they want us to give up ciggies and when we do thats not good enough they lost 2 billion in tax on ciggies last year alone the ev car burst into flames
Spot on mate. All this climate garbage is nothing but an excuse to tax and steal more.
It's because Aussies just conform to what ever the government tell us what is the best direction to take. As you said we need to band together and push back finally
What?
It’s amazing what people can do when they stand together. Look at many of the protests that happen in France, the farmers one most recently . It’s an easy thing to do but hard for most to actually do it
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Your main argument, "it's not fair!", has the potential to be really compelling, especially coming from someone directly impacted by such changes. This episode could have been impactful, but it often feels like an echo chamber, with repetitive discussions on "what about China," "Australia is only 1%," "it's not sustainable," and references to "the science behind it" without delving into the actual science. Don't get me wrong, I greatly appreciate your work! I just hoped for a more thorough exploration of this topic. - Maybe for the next round table: An outlook on what Australia should look like from your PoV, would be great!
totally agree. just say science doesn’t make it so
Im in the EV industry in the UK and everything you are saying is correct:
Extremely dirty to produce from the lithium, where its sourced, packaged and put in to cars the carbon footprint is unbelievable.
They do not last even 10 years, if they do, there pitiful range is often at the very least halved, the batteries to replace them are not just expensive, it is often impossible to replace them so the whole car goes in the the bin.
In real world driving you are very lucky to do more than 70% of the claimed range, in 2024 usually about 300km. If you find a fast charger that's working, its an hour to charge.
They are worthless if you are a private buyer. Due to tech glitches, updates, faults, old technology, poor range and longevity, these things are purely to be leased. However, the residual value is so bad, those costs are now absolutely sky rocketing.
The fire risk. Yes they catch fire less than ICE vehicles, but when they do it is ferocious and cannot be put out, cargo ships, blocks of flats and entire carparks can go up from one EV fire.
While it is a nice thought driving through the town emitting no emissions, that 80-100kwh battery needs to be fed. On public charging it would work out to cost 20L/100km in a petrol (also its only as green as what powers the grid).
Oh and that 600hp 3 tonne vehicle, will deffo make some headlines when these start to be crashed into your Jo's Rav4.
The disposal..... they go in the bin after a maximum of 10 years if you are lucky.
This EV bubble that is exploding with either tax incentives, or ICE tax's is going to burst. It is like a religion that cannot be questioned. But when people see the mess that is the public network, or spend any time and drive an EV any distance at all.
Even in 20 years time the majority of people, who do not have home charging capability will see the big scam for what it is. These EV's are lovely to drive to do boring miles around the city, but even in the UK, this legislation only benefits Londoners.
Just think where the tech would have taken us if we continued to invest and improve ICE vehicles or synthetic fuels.
James
I work in a new car dealer (mechanic) and EVs are junk,we replace batteries everyday on cars that are not even 1 y-o.
Which part of the EV industry.
Leasing@@captaincnut
As the driver of both a Tesla EV and a Y62 I can honestly say that I would not buy another EV.
The big so-called benefit of the EV is the cheaper running costs, but what is happening to this saving as power prices continue to sky rocket?
EV's are fine around the city but are frustrating on longer drives. For example I did a run from Brisbane to Melbourne and back in just 3 days with an EV and the time spent charging the thing every 300-400 klms almost drove me mad (it is a Model 3 performance so has the big battery and only gets this sort of range at 110 klm per hr). Give me a petrol or diesel car anyday of the week for a long trip.
If the Government is serious about cost of living let's focus on things that make people's lives better and saves people money (e.g. make solar and batteries cheaper so we can all reduce our usage and bills).
Finally, Australia does not have the charging infrastructure or the excess power generation to support us all having EV's so the Government is definitely putting the cart before the horse on this one.
Haha just so you guys know... the landcruiser is already out of touch of the everyday Australian to buy ... wish we everyday Aussies had 150 grand to buy a car that used to be worth 85k to 90k...
Bring back the Pajero 😉
Yet we see the 300 landcruisers everywhere. If people are prepared to take a huge loan and get themselves in debt then it's not out of touch.
@@stevendcunha1 Prepared doesn't make it smart, especially in this economy, this next GFC will make 2008 look like a blimp.
@@KK-mc9qwNot smart at all but each to their own I suppose.
I never ever thought I'd see 4WD 24-7 do this type of video. Says a lot about the state of the nation very very sad. Keep punching guys we are with you. Ill keep my S5 Y62 and stay away from places that want to charge me more to park.
Damn and I thought I was tight
This is the 2nd time they've touched on this topic. I'll keep my old rodeo and 👆the grubberment.
I love nailing it next to a Tesla just for the pure fact is they probably sit there having heart palpitations on the fuel I use when taking off 😂😂😂 my wife laughs when we pull up next to an ev. She says from one end of the spectrum to totally the opposite the other end
@@feral4mr2 That's the point of the tax increase.... To stop people buying unnecessary large vehicles
@@Ktmfan450 I understand that mate. But rarely will Australians buy large vehicles unnecessarily, there's always a use. This is just unnecessary climate change BS agenda crap.
It's a fuel efficiency standard, it's worrying your getting your news from Mr PotatoHead. Loads of other countries have this standard. Even NZ have it..
From my reading of this proposal a Toyota Hilux WITH the same engine as the current model would incur a carbon penalty of $2,600. That's nowhere near $15,000. And that is with the current engine. If Toyota released a Hilux with say a hybrid petrol/electric drivetrain then you may not incur any tax at all and it may get a carbon credit. It also depends on what other cars are being offered by the same manufacturer and how efficient they are. Some of these hybrid vehicles are already available in the US and they will offer good power and efficiency and will have good range.
Nobody is buying the hybrid 4x4s in the US. The are just sitting on lots with deep discounts. We tried them. Power and range are horrible.
The people sent a strong message in 2013 around carbon taxing. Typical of the slimey ALP to try and sneak it back in.
but we saved you 275 dollars on power.. ohh wait we did not do that either.
You need further context for that statement. I’d be keen to hear it?
Australia needs to nationalise its energy grid as an issue of strategic importance
Power companies will only do what returns the most profit to shareholders
It's from 2025, as legislated.
@@Ktmfan450 Everything sold off by Liberals need to bought back. Then all the private companies will be made to compete. Especially the 2/3rds of our gold reserves that howard signed off on.
If they try introduce this tax, we should organise a protest at Parliament House.
I wish people would dig a little deeper. It's not a tax, your current vehicle is unaffected. It's bringing in Euro 6 emissions standards. The 4cyc common rail turbo diesels found in most utes are already compliant. The new landcruiser is euro 6 compliant.
4WD247 do better.
XXXX THERE IS NO NEW “UTE AND HEAVY VEHICLE TAX” XXXX
Wow 4wd24/7 I cannot believe my ears! Who paid for this segment I wonder? Someone from the LNP? As someone who watches parliament closely I can tell you with certainty that there are not any new taxes being imposed.
Currently Australia has NO FUEL EFFICIENCY STANDARDS! The only country to not have them other than Russia. What the Albanese federal government and Chris Bowen are doing is introducing fuel efficiency standards for NEW vehicles bought in Australia.
The fuel efficiency standards being introduced bring us to the same standard that they have in the EU and that have been in the USA since 1975!
Saying that there is a new tax being imposed is something that the Liberal and National parties have made up to spread misinformation.
It is misleading to tell people that the government is imposing taxes that don’t exist!
4WD24/7 is in the pocket of certain politicians it would seem!
@@xrtango totally agree mate. They have obviously listened to Peter Dutton and his mob too much and don’t have the ability to think for themselves or undertake some research.
So like ole mate said. But also, the way around it is simple………. All the four wheel drive companies have to do ensure they are compliant so they don’t fall in that category…. Not really a hard concept right….. many countries already do it…. And they over came the problem quite easily.
@@theozBandit I call bullshit
We have the loosest emissions restrictions, the US have stricter ones and they still have big 4x4's I think you may have bitten the wrong PR brief.
Big 4x4’s in the US are exempt under their emission laws. This also includes train locomotives that are diesel/electric.
It’s not a tax… it’s the manufacturers being fined for not selling more fuel efficient versions of vehicles that are already sold elsewhere. If they are passing that cost onto consumers rather than innovating that’s their greed not the governments. And it’s only for new cars, anything sold before 2025 is unaffected. Pretty smooth transition if you ask me.
Spot on. The hyberbole is incredible for political gain. People are falling for the libs lies here. How much more are we paying for fuel at the moment????
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story!
Everyone’s talking about landcruisers but Toyota doesn’t sell a car that is a V8 anymore. They’re investing in hybrid and hydrogen technology. Nissan is the brand that should be talked about
Just wait and see if they don't tax us for diesel vehicles within the next 10 years aswell as raising rego costs. DONT BE NIEVE AND GULABLE!!
@@rowangleeson8244 no need to YELL! 🤣🤣
ute price goes up then tradie will put there prices up on jobs
and that wont effect a single politician so they wont care
- tradies will go back to driving Dynas and NPR's (etc).. Or step up to a 4x4 Daily - just keep it longer for the same monthly payments as a Hilux.
Tradies need to get electric vans they are far more practical and way cheaper to run
@@AlanBarryGriffinProperty that was pretty funny. You are obviously not a tradie.
Why? Tradies buy a ute and claim it all back on tax already. It's a "business" expense.
Emission standards on new vehicles are coming if you like it or not. Australia is years behind other developed countries in not already having them in place. $15-20k price increases are a beat up by the LNP.
Good luck getting people to understand what's really going on. They'd rather spill their righteous outrage on the word of people who don't even understand how efficiency standards work. This not to mention the people expressing all this outrage are being saddled with vehicles that are far less fuel efficient than the same vehicle sold in other markets. If our vehicle consumers actually knew how much extra they've already paid because their ute uses far more fuel than the same vehicle sold in different markets, they'd be shocked. It just goes to show how well the LNP can profit from propaganda. 'Look, a squirrel!' 🙄
Bullshit, it's the labour party, have been telling you most favourite ABC on the radio
What is your source of the increase to NEW utes due to these changes?
So a few points here:
-Just because we are responsible for 1% of emisisonss, doesn't mean we don't have a responsibility to be better. Our emissions per capita are among the worst. What's wrong with wanting to do better?
- EVs are better for emisions long term. There's plenty of research that shows the break even point for them is around 60k km. The upfront emissions cost may be more, but if the Breakeven point is earlier then you can't argue with the math. Sure the grid still relies on fossil fuels, but as that shifts that will be less or an issue. ICE cars will always use petrol/diesel
- you're talking like engines and diffs don't need rebuilds every so often, those are both big costs. An engine could easily be the price of a battery
- precious governments have failed to keep Australian car standards up to speed with other countries. This is just catching up. Plus it's not a tax, it's an incentive for companies to do better and reduce their vehicles emissions. 4wds are already crazy expensive, I strongly doubt manufacturers want to have to pass on more costs. In two years this won't be an issue
- there's plenty of ways for tradies to transport their gear around other than big 4wds. There's plenty of options available and it wasn't that long ago that HSV and Ford utes were the flavour for utes.
- Recycling does need to improve and it will. Again, Australia is behind due to lack of care, but we will get there
I love your content, and love 4wding. I just think this conversation is way more nuanced than how you're phrasing it. I'm sure this comment will go down like a lead balloon, but yolo. Love the videos generally boys
Tyranny is at an all-time high across the globe.
Ironically, all the wests countries have introduced it because of WEF. Russia and China looking better every day in comparison.
Ok cooker, I'm sure you definitely "feel" persecuted🤣
Efficiency is such a key word and concept that is overlooked in this debate.
Internal combustion engines have come such a long way over the years now to the point where they can run on the smell of an oily rag by comparison to yesteryear.
If we truly want to lower emissions from the food we eat, the cars we drive, the homes we live in etc, efficiency should be the key driver. Why is my dinner caught in NZ, send to Thailand for packaging, and then sold in an Australian supermarket at a price that does not reflect the inefficiencies the manufacturer has exploited to make more money? What about charging an EV, from a non-renewable energy source, and the inefficiencies in the generation, transportation and storage of that power?
If I owned a house with solar panels, battery banks and a garage to charge my EV in, well then we’ve achieved the end goal. But the reality is the charging network predominantly sources energy from non-renewable sources, and there lies the hypocrisy of it all.
We should be a nation driven by fact and reason, striving for maximum efficiency. If the task is a farmer who needs transportation that suits the purpose, well then they should be financially incentivised to do that as efficiently as possible. If a ford ranger is the most efficient way to achieve that goal, then they should be even cheaper.
My two cents.
My 93 Hilux 10l/100, my 2011 Collie 10l/100 , Dad's D22 10l/100. I suspect it's a similar story with the current utes. More power but similar economy. Smell of an oily rag? Surely if you have solar panels and you charge your EV
Saturday or Sunday you wouldn't need a battery. Plus then you're paying less for power as well. I don't know man. There's a lot of people in Australia with solar panels, are they all getting duped? And I mean saying that the network uses mainly fossil fuel to produce electricity, while currently true is rapidly changing. And EVs are still cheaper to run while that transition is happening. It does seem to me that it is still very intensive to manufacture an EV, and they are expensive to repair which is influencing insurance prices. They also can't cover some parts of the market's needs. But that's ok. I'm going to keep my RC Colorado for many years to come, by which time, I reckon there's going to be an alternative.
I’m currently a uni student in brissy and recently wrote a paper on the practical application of renewable energy and my findings were that not only do we not have enough lithium and other materials to make enough batteries to replace internal combustion completely but even if hypothetically we could replace all cars with EV the sheer strain on the power grid to recharge would be too much, additionally the amount of land required to put in enough solar would take up significant areas on central Australia (killing off large areas of land) but then you’d lose a significant amount of that electricity produced just in transit to major cities and still it wouldn’t be enough to satisfy the electricity demand. We will drive ourselves into the ground and end up with load shedding like South Africa. I am happy to link any of the peer reviewed studies/articles for anyone who is interested in learning more or wants to play devils advocate
Mmm, how did your study go with the sodium batteries? No lithium required. One of the most abundant minerals on earth and cheap. SA runs completely from home rooftop solar during the day sometimes already. Wind farms and large scale solar don't even operate once the large batteries and interstate connector it at its limit. All this done with no coal, backup gas is being used less and less year on year all in just a few years. Charging some EVs sounds like a good use of all that excess renewable energy we have. Maybe we could use some of the 11.8 billion dollars of taxpayer money given to the highly profitable fossil fuel companies in the last 12mths to help with the infrastructure.
@@Gearz-mu7ud Yeah one of my suggestions in the report was more research and innovation needs to be done into sodium-ion batteries cause they could be a very viable option in the future but currently they have very limited storage capacity compared to lithium batteries so using them in EVs likely won’t happen for at least a few more years. As for SA running off of solar it’s a fantastic example of renewable energy being used efficiently in conjunction with the wind farms however SA also is the 4th largest state with the entire population being less than Brisbane (the 3rd largest city) and I suspect if the amount of EV’s on the road in SA outweighed internal combustion the electricity demand would surpass the output possible from these renewable sources with the average EV consuming 2,000kWh a year if it does 12,000km and the average Australian home using between 4,000 to 8,000kWh annually.
@@Gearz-mu7ud I mean that's good for SA but what about all the other states and territories that don't have that kind of infrastructure, I doubt the government has it in its budget to make solar rebates what they once were so putting solar on your roof is affordable for the everyday Aussie, plus the cost of putting batteries at home to store the electricity made will be an additional $6,000 to $8,000 and as old mate pointed out the population of SA is significantly smaller so therefore less electricity demand.
Maybe Nuclear Power should have been considered 30 years ago, with a mindset to transition to renewable energies, so we wouldn't be in this position right now.
When the black summer fires come through southern NSW from the Vic high country we had no power or communication with anyone for over a week every road was blocked from fallen trees, three days after the fires had passed it was the locals in there 4wd's who cleared the the roads to come out to check on everyone, the nearest place you could charge a electric vehicle is over a two hour drive there's no electric firetrucks so there was no way some one in a electric vehicle was coming the help us in this time the roads where so bad you needed 4x4 it took the Fire fighters a week after the fires before they checked on anyone because they where all so busy.
Mate that sounds like an ordeal & we're sorry you went through that! You're so right though, Australia is so big and it would be extremely challenging to have EV everywhere.
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In NZ, they give you a DEDUCTION on price of an EV, rather than charging you more for a normal petrol or diesel vehicle. Incentive rather than punishment.
Also, the infrastructure for EV charging in Australia is waaaay off. You are lucky to get petrol or diesel in some places, let alone a charging station every 400-500km!!!
They were also charging 4-5k on new utes... The ute tax! Thankfully this has been stopped.
Not quite right, NZ (where I live) had a tax on vehicles with higher emissions and used this to fund a subsidy for low and no emission vehicles. This tax and subsidy arrangement was recently taken away by an incoming Government with the justification given as it was no longer needed as the low / no emission vehicle market had enough momentum.
Yep, thankfully our new NZ govt got rid of the EV subsidy! and removed the ute tax! awesome outcome.@@craybro
Drove from SA to Melbourne over Christmas to vist family. 8 people waiting at the Telsa charging stations and only two chargers operational. We let the kid and the dogs run on the oval and left after 30 minutes. Wonder how many spent 5 hours waiting for a cable 😂
Trouble is the deduction they give you is coming out of the tax payers so either way they're screwing you.
4wd trip to Parliament House the numbers will be insane.
I doubt it
Farmers with tanker trailers full of liquid manure. A convoy to parliament and start spraying. 😅
Sounds good!
I love doggo jumping in "dad, dad, ball, stick"
I also like your point about us off-roaders allowing better access for bush fires. Locally we had a big fire spreading fast. My offroad group had a guy close by meet the fire department and show them how to get to it when they got lost
Please keep on top of this issue - it's so important - and the National Park and public space closures as well. Both issues are being experienced worldwide. Thank-you for alerting people to what they are proposing.
They're not even arguing facts. It's shameful. This is just euro 6 standards, most if not all new utes are euro 6 compliant. (maybe not the yank tanks but fk them).
Do you know we still have coal in this country? So one standard for some, another for others. @@xrtango
Fellas.... The govt want to introduce fuel efficiency standards for the industry (like in the rest of the developed world). How you get to a ute tax from that is right wing PR misinformation.
You get all riled up, you get a community of people who look up to and respect what you do riled up, and do yourself a disservice where you could advocate at a higher level if you talk sense not emotive non-sense.
This, so much, this. The US have stricter emissions rules than AUS. Still plenty of 4Bs over there.
Shauns lack of engagement in the political process shows here. He's either an unwittingly repeating FCAI talking points or deliberately repeating them. Either is not a great look.
It's also very evident where the team gets their news from with beat ups like this.
It’s amazing how many people they take this video at fact and don’t actually do the research…Your right 4WD 24/7 has failed their community by making such a sloppy video.
I agree with 4x4 24/7.
Don't be gullible people!
Btw, they have the absolute right and free will to watch whatever news they like, that choice is not yours thankfully or the govts in a democracy,....ahhhh now we are getting to the point, you don't want to admit that our govt plus many others are heading for communism. But i get it, sticking your head in the sand makes it way easier to cope with if you can't face it head on. Unfortunately in the end this approach hurts ALL of us! In a few years you will see these taxes plus many more things happen.
Btw, they have the absolute right and free will to watch whatever news they like, that choice is not yours thankfully or the govts in a democracy,....ahhhh now we are getting to the point, you don't want to admit that our govt plus many others are heading for communism. But i get it, sticking your head in the sand makes it way easier to cope with if you can't face it head on. Unfortunately in the end this approach hurts ALL of us! In a few years you will see these taxes plus many more things happen.
As a tradie,i need a ute to work to load up with tools and tow a trailer. Nothing else can do this like a ute, vans are useless and no ev can do what a ute can do today, maybe one the future if a ev ute can do what a diesel can do now then give incentives to go ev, but why now increase the cost of living even more.
This is unbelievable. Here in nz they brought in this same ute tax and we literally had nation wide protest but they still taxed us fast forward to this year they have dropped the tax on utes/new vehicles. Band together and be loud with a strong message!
Mate, we need someone like you guys in power making these decisions, clean up Australia first by cleaning up our government. I drive a 79 for remote work and a 100 series for my family daily driver/tourer, an ev wouldn’t even come close to fitting my requirements day to day, not everyone’s life is confined to suburbia sipping a latte. Keep up the good work guys
lol this pair of beer swilling morons!!?? are you kidding!
As much as i despise the Ranger sized shitboxes, exceptions should be made pending a negative drug test for Meth and a dashcam which proves you don't tailgate everyone like 99% of these vehicles do
Without petrol and diesel Australia stops!
Yeah
who said it was stopping?
Australia needs fuel efficiency standards
@@Ktmfan450 Dumb idea, only creates MORE bureaucracy.
Gov't must remain small, not ginormous.
hahaha so you think they're just gonna let Australia shut down, wouldn't be very self serving of them, would it? they'd get voted out in an instant. they don't want to ban utes thjey want to incentivise car makers to bring more efficient cars to Australia@@Aussiebuilds
Our current transportation system, which relies heavily on internal combustion engines (ICEs), is contributing to environmental damage. To address this issue, it has been suggested that a "vehicle efficiency standard" be introduced to improve ICEs' efficiency and reduce their environmental impact. While this standard would be a step in the right direction, the cost of implementation will be borne by individuals. In addition, it is not yet clear if this standard would apply to other transportation modes, such as cargo ships, commercial airliners, semi-trailers, diesel locomotives, etc.
Electric vehicles (EVs) have been touted as the solution to the environmental damage caused by ICEs. However, it is essential to note that EVs still depend heavily on energy generated from coal production in this country, whilst Electric Vehicle manufacturing contributes significantly to carbon emissions. As EVs become more prevalent, the cost of operations will increase as private energy companies and the government take full advantage of EV consumers.
The integration of electric vehicles necessitates a significant amount of infrastructure, which will also have an adverse impact on the environment. Moreover, the ongoing mining for the precious metals required for electric vehicles contributes significantly to environmental degradation. It's disheartening to learn that a lithium mine was approved in the Northern Territory and that mining companies have jurisdiction over National Parks. This demonstrates the conflicting and hypocritical interests at play, which is frustrating to witness.
It is crucial to recognize that electric vehicles (EVs) were ready for commercial use over 30 years ago. However, the inaction of governments who chose to support oil companies instead caused these EV prototypes to disappear. The truth is, that those in power find it easier to blame individuals for environmental issues today rather than taking responsibility for the damage caused by industries or themselves over time. Consequently, heavy vehicle owners as mentioned in this video (or individuals) are now bearing the cost of this neglect.
We are a family who have been travelling Australia for the past year. Once out of the cities, it's hard to see how EV vehicles can be suitable for Australia. The distances, durability requirements and maintenance needs just can't be done with current EV technologies. If you factor in the need for many rural & remote Australians to tow (equipment, horses, caravans, boats), its even more ludicrous. The largest EV towing vehicle is a 4.1T tare EV Hummer. It would not even tow our caravan 200km and then need a full day's recharge! The EV debate is polluted by the lobby groups. Imagine where we could be if the same money and political focus had been invested in biofuel or alternative combustion engine fuel research.
It’s got me gobsmacked how our governments are getting away with these ever increasing restrictions and bans on outdoor pursuits. Whether it be fishing, hunting or fourbying you’d think in this day and age activities which benefit so many peoples’ physical and mental health while getting them into the great outdoors should be protected and promoted!
And yet people keep voting them in….
It must be something to do with COVID and all the lockdowns and stuff
@@irongirl2554smells like what’s happening in the US, let millions in to keep the current gov in power while they tax the shit out of its residents
Australians are aesthetic, she will be right mate
Australia needs cities where 90% of the population lives to be friendly to walking
It’s not just Australia, it’s happening everywhere unfortunately. I’m glad you got a chance to visit the US and hit some rad trails, never know when they will get closed for environmental reasons. Thank you for putting the discussion out there!
Hey lads,
NZ labour government introduced a Clean Car Rebate & Fee in 2022. Same as what you’re saying, was a co2 tax or rebate depending on the vehicles emissions. The tax or “fee” was to off set the money EV purchases got. At peak it was around $9000 tax and $8000 rebates.
New National government has scrapped it as was costing the government money. It smashed the industry hard. The worst part was it was on new registrations, so all that happened is people stayed in their older vehicles which are less emissions friendly over updating to the latest and greatest models with far better emissions.
Couldn’t agree more, we are being feed a load of rubbish about EVs being greener.
Also was targeting people who didn’t necessarily “need” a big vehicle… but what about all the tradies, mobile mechanics etc?
I’ll get an electric vehicle when they put charging stations on the Canning-Stock route.
How many Aussies have done that route? .01%? However, other countries have shown they can set up charging stations in environmentally sensitive places, that fuel stations would never be approved for.
We are getting the absolute piss taken out of us by our government. How much we get taxed on our hard earned wages and day to day items is criminal.
Then to try and reward myself for all the hard work I do and try to go out bush and every second 4wd track Is closed and then get car defected and fined for having 35s by cops on dirt bikes whilst youth crime is out of control and other crimes are being committed. We need to stand up to our government.
because it's an attack on honest hardworking tax payers...
Agreed, and agreed. The madness of these politicians is nonsensical and unscientific in every way.
I’m not in Australia and I’m feeling your pain. I don’t know your governments but ours use to be for the people by the people.
In the last 12 years it’s more like for the politics by the politics.
It’s financially draining to live here. If you’re making $100,000 or more you can sustain financial stability.
So this might be a time to focus on the big picture, that we as an off-road community need to do what we can about being stewards and caretakers of the places we ride and the trails we love so much to show we’re doing our part, because it gives us some credibility to be heard when we make logical, fact-based arguments like this. In the US we try to promote “Tread lightly” for our trails, with simple rules, like “Pack it in, pack it out”, and “Leave it better than we found it”.
I used to be proud to be an Aussie, more recently not so much. But, videos like this give me hope. Keep it up lads, keep speaking up.
So you stopped being a proud Aussie...because you watching idiots like this who are wrong? Get off social media, clearly rots the brains of those who can't fend for themselves.
As a firefighter the best thing for us is the fire trails managed properly, and there r some places that’s just not happening unless the 4x4’s go through and clean it up, the garbage and the fallen trees across the tracks. Us needing to clear those ourselves takes time which can lead to big fires cause we wasted time clearing tracks to get to the little fire, as a 4x4 driver myself my kids r seeing parts of this country they would never see in those ev vehicles. They get to see our true nature not just at a zoo.
So the rutted out tracks and the bog holes aren't an issuers for you? and as most of those tracks are maintained by parks (whatever state) I do question how beneficial 4x4 are.
Yes I have chopped up trees blocking tracks, and my wheels are too small to causes your fire trucks any issues.
I suspect the real value of 4x4s is the increased social value it puts on 'green spaces'
@@SilverMe2004 it depends on when parks get to them. And I have been called out to a fire trial to cut up a tree that had fallen over that a member of the public out for a walk found so no park don’t always do it. It is more likely a group of 4x4ers will come across and sort out fallen trees than parks will get to it. As for the wheeling and rock crawling spots they r obviously not part of the firetrails the trucks go on.
A LOT of mischaracterizations here in and in the comments.
For reference: I own both a 4x4 OffRoad truck and a Tesla, I love both for different reasons.
1. EVs are statistically much less likely to catch fire than ICEs. Yes they are different and sometimes harder to put out. Not proving any points about anything by bringing this up.
2. EV batteries are rated to 80% of capacity out to 200k miles. You take care of them, you can drive them a VERY long time without needing a replacement.
3. There are companies that specialize in lithium battery recycling and reuse. They have fairly good reclamation rates. If batteries end up in landfills something went very wrong. See point 2. This is a much smaller problem than people seem to think it is.
4. EVs are more environmentally friendly than ICE vehicles after about 15k miles. Accounting for mining, assembly, batteries, energy generation, everything. An EV will emit less than 1/4th as much as an ICE during it's life... Including everything.
5. Yes I agree with your premise that this tax is dumb. ICE trucks are needed for a very long time... obviously. Anyone who thinks otherwise is, as my pop would say, "as sharp as a marble". No reason to peddle false narratives about EVs to try and make a counter point to this dumb policy. It's just a dumb policy that should never have been proposed. can we leave it at that?
Same in the UK, but we're taxed highly on vehicles with high emissions.
A land cruiser amazon would cost £1000 a year new on road tax. Others similar.
Theres something else a lot of people miss, having a good amount of off road capable vehicles in the country improves resilience. A while ago Ukraine was thinking about trying to import a lot of utes (second hand) from here because there just are almost none in Europe, and now that they are in the middle of a war they have suddenly realized that utes and off road vehicles are very useful things to have around when things go wrong. Off road vans are even more useful (as ambulances), unfortunately they are even rarer. Now I know you can make utes electric however I'm not sure how many working charging stations they have in bombed out cities over there at the moment. I do think the ultimate in resilience would be to have a mix of both, as electric vehicles can be charged with solar etc but for right now diesel is the best we have (for disasters).
Mate that is very well said, and a good point to bring up.
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@@4WD247Thanks, however I have a canopy on my ute and no need for any spray coating so feel free to re-draw mine.
I feel for us 4wdrivers because the the real problem is too many people have huge vehicles that only ever get driven in the cities. Don't know how the government singles them out without adding even more unnecessary bureaucracy. The rapid increase of people treating our tracks like crap and putting on the internet isn't helping the cause.
Talking too much sense
Look i know about these type of people but what about us the tradies the people who need it for work
@@Hil_lol Trades persons can claim it all back on tax
I cant due to the fact thcar is under my namee
There is no new tax being levied on utes.
All that has happened is that manufacturers importing cars will have a cap on the emissions their suite of cars can produce. Failure to meet that cap means they will have to buy offset permits
typical 4wd247 😂
So - a tax via an alternative “description.”
@@nigelransley5050well, it’s not based on each vehicle, it’s the total of their production and sale. So as an example, if Ford sells enough EV and plugin hybrid with low emissions, they can continue ship and sell Rangers in Australia with no issue.
Peter Dutton is idiot and he thinks people are idiot too, to accept his words without doing some research!
@@nigelransley5050 No, mate it's euro6d emissions standards... manufacturers already sell euro6d complaint models of the Utes we have here in other markets (England for example). They will simply have to sell us the same models they're already selling overseas.
As a young bloke soon to get his first car on the road and on an apprentice wage, there is no way young blokes could by a 4wd with that much tax. Also, if they make us get EV's there is no way on a apprenticeship wage could we afford a second EV then go put a battery in because it shit its self.
Too true mate!
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@4WD247 Hey, guys thank you very much I have messages you on instagram.
We all need to respect each other on the tracks, 4WD, Horses and bushwalkers. We are stronger together when it comes to challenging and influencing government.
Honestly, I'm pretty bummed at hearing about this.
I've only recently started getting into the 4wd scene after watching you boys the last few months. I've been putting together my dream Hilux setup and build. To hear that I'm going to be taxed for purchasing and building a vehicle that will help me explore this beautiful country we call home, really is a kick in the guts.
Like you said, the reason we have these vehicles and do these tracks is to get out there and explore and in fact helps mitigate issues that otherwise aren't spoken about. A lot of hardworking folks, especially in far north Queensland and remote areas of the country rely on people with such vehicles in order to generate their tourism income. I'm all for saving helping the environment but I'm not schlepping an EV Hummer on the old tele track.
I'm still super keen to get my dream Lux together. Lets hope we can talk some sense into these blokes sipping on lattes.
The tax they're talking about is in regards to vehicles priced over $70,000 from the manufacturer
Oh right, Lux is on the cards then :D
@@Ktmfan450
did you read Toyota are gonna stop making diesel Hilux and Prados ? opting for some petrol but mostly hybrid engines,,, scam i tell ya !!
@@andrewcoulter323 Breaks my heart 😢
Dude, get the facts. Don't listen to these two boofheads. The laws are getting the manufacturers to sell more low/zero emission vehicles so they can get average emissions down. 4wds would still be sold. Second, it has no effect on second hand vehicles. It's just a matter of getting all the grannies driving electric cars and charging them at home off the solar. Chill man
Ant tax is government theft! You are completely correct in saying that EVs cost the environment tons more overall emissions than any petrol land vehicle. If allowed (voted in), you are opening the flood gates for more luxury and duty tax.
As a 19 year old tradie living in the ACT it’s gonna make life driving a diesel Ute a living hell expense wise especially while building my dream build! Have had to start looking at other options to get my rig registered outside Canberra and in nsw .
The amount off misinformation in this video is mind blowing! NVES is not a tax, it’s there to encourage car makers to make more efficient cars(including utes/4wd). Manufacturers will get fined if their average is above the target. So, if they can sell small EV for city drivers, they can use credits from them to offset the emissions of vehicles that are above target.
Maybe you should read the proposal before you go putting out videos like this.
If the premise behind the government’s move is to reduce emissions. Why are they placing the luxury car tax on all hybrid cars.
Let's say Isuzu sold an electric D-Max along with the diesel D-Max. Sure, if people bought the electric D-Max, they could use credits to offset the penalty for the diesel D-Max. But the thing is, no-one is going to buy the electric D-Max.
When’s 4WD 24/7 Camping outside Parliament House, I’ll be there with my rig.
I'll come from Perth to join you
agreed. they have 1.1 mil subs... lets see 1.1 mil people out the front steps of parliament house.... power in numbers peoples..
Ooooaar sheeet yeeer!! Haha
See if albo wears his sheeety akubra then on
Swag out day-at parliament2024” 💪
@Beej-wp6tg
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Maybe for Albo's one-month wedding anniversary, we can all gather together??
EV’s are not green vehicles. Most of the country’s power comes from Gas and Coal fired power stations, with coal producing roughly 1050 gCO2/kWh and gas 440gCO2/kWh. Australia’s grid is supplied from 47%Coal, 19% gas and 2% oil fired power stations. Neglecting the 2% oil fire power stations, it gives you an average of 577.1 GCO2/kWh produced. Even if you run Solar at home to charge the vehicle, the current accepted carbon footprint of solar panels are claimed to be around 48gCO2/kWh. New studies show it to be closer to be between 170 to 250 gCO2/kWh. An electric car uses roughly 2.25 kWh/km. (UTEs will be more). A Ranger / Hilux/ D-Max tailpipe emissions are currently 193 - 194 gCO2/km. Let’s say 20% of power to charge EV’s come from the grid and forget about the carbon footprint of the solar panels, wind farms, lithium batteries and large amounts of copper in an EV, then you still have an average 260gCO2/km produced to run an electric car. This is more than what a Ute is producing. This is just based on data from some simple Google searches. I would love to see results from some proper research.
It's disheartening to think that future generations might miss out on the opportunity to explore the beauty and diversity of Australia due to political standpoints. Access to such natural wonders should be a universal privilege, enriching lives and fostering understanding of these ecosystems
The way the world is going I am legitimately terrified to have a child. It really puts me off wanting to bring up life in these current days
people in nature ( 4wd drivers, hikers, motorbikes, mountain bikes) keep the bush a valuable resource. If we get rid of these groups, or start infighting, then we will collectively loose the mass effect we have on keeping the wild areas useful accessible, whilst still pristine. We need all the passionate people invested.
getting rid of the ability to go into nature so it loses its interest so they can mine the shit out of it
The government have forgotten about the caravan industry. How do they expect people touring Australia including the outback to use an EV . What a joke. 😢
They don't that is the point.
Solar panels on the Caravan charging the car. You can travel 20km a day for absolutely free. How good is that.
More slowly?
Self entitled thinking. Still will be fuel around for few years to come.
They serve the WEF and UN shiz not us. Defend your neighbour ❤
I had a little giggle at the fact that the sooty number plate is just sitting there centre screen 😂 probably not helping the cause
Us Canadians are going through similar Carbon - Tax hikes for Gas, Diesel, Home Heating oil, etc.. it all trickles down to the cost of living becoming so incredibly high that our out of touch Government has become so unpopular that he's heckled no matter where he goes. Even from former Liberal supporters and politicians.
I say our countries should show these out of touch political figures how unpopular they really are the next vote. We once held and ATV rally and invited local politicians out for the publicity. Turned out they had such a great time in the woods, they supported positive off-highway infastructure changes in the future. This was back when the conservative government was in.
Never thought my patrol would become an heirloom.
Isn't that the point of buying an expensive vehicle? Hoping that you can pass it down
@@Ktmfan450 not expensive, just sentimentality.straight swap for my bike!
Look up a Cobalt mine and see what it does to people and that's green people
Australia is one of the largest Cobalt producers
Unless you make a car out of wood there is going to be mines involved, EV or fuel. Everything is mined. Unless we go back to the stone ages there will always been mines
@@ElisPalace Because there isn't adequate public transport
yep nothing green about lithium batteries, you can almost feel the child slave labour oozing of off them....
I live and work on a farm, but I also have a job at my local bunnings. It's 70km into town for me to work. If I spend the morning driving around the farm chasing sheep and then have to go into work, I don't have the time to sit and wait for a vehicle to charge. And if I run out of diesel, it's easily fixed, if an ev dies I'm fucked.
I drive a full touring setup as my daily, as I carry tools in the back for the farm and use my cooking gear for lunch and to keep things cold when I'm in town. To put that kind of weight on an EV would chew through the battery. I'm all for making the world a better place, but the technology isn't there yet, and I don't appreciate being told what kind of vehicle I should drive.
EV ranges are going to 1000km plus on a single charge. Cybertruck already has a range of over 500 km and EV prices are plunging. Just chill man
EVs Good for the city, but they are not green and they are not environmentally friendly
Yeah, they are not as green as walking or cycling but they release way less carbon than ICE vehicles and are much cheaper to run and maintain and will very soon have much higher ranges than a full tank of diesel so good for almost everything except crossing the Simpson but then maybe 300 vehicles do that a year.@@nickrose5705
Working as a plumber myself, I need a work vechile that's reliable and capable of towing. I heavily rely on a car that's capable of carrying tools and equipment.
What government fails to realise is people working in rural area's will be affected by these legislations.
Keep up the good work boys love watching the videos. 👍
Wrote about this after the last beers in the shed on your Facebook page.
Have written to a senator expressing my anger
I ask all to do the same
Lucky for us there is a federal election coming your vote counts
Lucky for you it’s almost total bullshit and nothing of the sort is happening
If you’re writing to a coalition senator they’ll be laughing that Dutton’s lie has managed to fool you. A Labor senator will just be puzzled. This is an emission standard, not a tax. 4wd 24-7 just know that this is a topic that will get clicks.
I reckon we need to start looking at what’s going on in Norway where did crackdown on petrol and diesel cars in the big city’s. I recommended EVS in the cities, but everywhere else got a diesel petrol to getting out on the country side and up in the mountains for skiing where EV don’t really fit
I think the only talk about emission control with our current state of technology worldwide should be what Edison Motors is doing in Canada. They’re meeting roadblocks of their own but they’re making amazing headway and I feel like social media and the “little guys” or consumers are the only way their work will get promoted. Quite a shame for it to be out of the spotlight as a solution.
If a Kimberlys trip is on the cards, do a remote trip with a Tinny on an off-road trailer and find the most remote untouched spots you could possibly put a boat in the water! Also good too see some of the more influential off road people standing up for the everyday off roader! If anyones got a voice its you guys and you've got all the support you could get from us 🤙
How does Australia allow as much coal mining and get mad at the like 25 of the 30 people who live in the entire country who owns a 4by
4wd cab utes are the biggest selling vehicles in Australia.
@@darrylduck6356 Because the LNP let hairdressers claim back a Wildtrak as a tax write off
@@Ktmfan450 And so they should, trades exist and create the country, Labor is just letting in more welfare recipients.
@nethiuz9165 Or Deepak and his sixteen cousins to drive Uber, taxi or operate your local 7/11
@@nethiuz9165 What's the line up look like down at the dole queue? I take it you're talking from personal experience
The 4x4 show is on this weekend in Brisbane.... If 4wd/24.7 are on stage lets give them a standing ovation... For bringing this subject up, Maybe they will talk about this on stage ?
I was a scuba instructor in a previous life so I'm a bit of a greeny or I prefer to say a bluey. The science behind the groper is that they were almost fished out during the 1950's & 60's. They are slow growing and late maturing. They can grow to 1.2m long but none are ever found near that size now days.
As for the car tax. Our governments are morons. How do they expect Aussies to be able to afford brand new EV cars. WHats the pollution on mining lithium. how much lithium is left in the ground, and then there is the fact that we have coal powered power stations to charge them. Australia doesn't have enough renewable power to do the EV thing properly.
The old Mitsubishi Challenger is a very capable car and extremely overlooked and I love mine. They are a wagon version of the Triton
If they bring this in how are Australians supposed to afford it yet if they get rid of all diesels and petrols then farmers,trucks and 4wdrivers are going to struggle you can’t just charge the car out in the outback bush or on your farm. Then a truck will be wasting money by waiting for the batteries to charge to keep going hence then missing deadlines cheers boys
Its called demand destruction. It happend during the oil shock in the late 1970's when governments said that the easy to drill crude oil is going to run out and raised the price of oil to make it too expensive to run the fuel guzzling V8's of the time. They also raised the cost of rego and government interference for manufacturers on V8 cars. To get around this manufacturers then introduced the term SUV's into the market because utility vehicles were cheaper to register as V8 cars became more expensive. V8s also became more fuel efficient as time went by. Australian Lithium (LIT) is a company that has patented SiLeach technology that recycles Lithium batteries.
Wasn't the Oil shock caused by the overthrowing of the government in Iran by the CIA which shut down oil pipelines in the Middle East
ever noticed we didn't run out of oil ? wells refill over time there is plenty of oil, just another scam to overcharge people for greed...
Hybrids make more sense in Australia than pure battery EV's.
No diesel and petrol tried and true hybrid are too heavy
My mother had a brand new hybrid camry, before 3years and 100k it was due for a new battery which was about 8k. She sold it and bought a old VW Jetta instead for 10 grand, it gets about 5L/100km and has been trouble free for over 400k now.
Diesel and Petrol are more efficient, The whole Ev thing is a scam and there is no climate emergency, It's all about controlling people and extorting more money out of them
try inventing a 4wd suspension that's hybrid and that's bush capable.
@@blacksheep6888 Except they dont have to be and are a good compromise for Australia.
If you are going to raise this issue on your website, then it is incumbent on the presenters to provide the full details and not just give a headline which is designed as clickbait and to fire up outrage. More careful examination of this issue shows that it is NOT a ute tax at all and $15-$20K more to buy a ute is fake news.
Our government gets bogged down in unnecessary details, delaying important projects like a 2km road for 3 years over safety concerns. They need to focus on getting things done efficiently instead of burdening taxpayers with excessive costs. Give people a break let them do what they enjoy.
I’m not a big fan of the government
No one is lol
30 on 30
I'm not a big fan either
Government are fuckwits
Only government workers are fans of government.
I’m an apprentice heavy vehicle mechanic and it’s definitely feels like it could be waist in the long run if they way the Aus government is going trying to EV everything. I just don’t see it working at all in Australia from trucks to non city living and driving. Ev is not for everyone so they need to stop forcing it to us!
it's an agenda being pushed from those in charge ! not goverments they are only puppets to the UN and WEF
Waste. It’s spelt waste.
Don't worry too much, mechanics used to be blacksmiths, we evolved then and we'll evolve again. The only guarantee in life is death, taxes and change, and those that change will not only live but thrive!
It's imperative we resist the imposition of extra taxes on new utes in Australia. These vehicles are not just a means of transportation; they are the lifeblood of many industries vital to our economy, such as agriculture, construction, and mining. Penalizing their purchase would unfairly burden hardworking Australians and small businesses, stifling growth and hindering productivity. Moreover, singling out one vehicle type ignores broader environmental issues and fails to address the root causes of emissions. Instead of punitive measures, let's foster innovation through incentives and investment in cleaner technologies.
Well, you allowed your government to disarm the public.
You allowed some of the most draconian Charlie Victor 19 measures of the civilized world.
It's high time the citizens of Oz stand up and start saying no to government over reach.
You all have an awesome country with wonderful people. Do not allow the government to ruin it.
Cheers!
Taxing 4WDs in Australia would greatly impact many Aussies who depend on these vehicles for their jobs, safety, and fun. For people in rural and remote areas, 4WDs aren't just nice to have-they're necessary for getting through tough terrain and harsh weather. Taxing them more could make life harder for these folks, making it tough to reach essential services and go about their daily routines. Also, families use 4WDs for outdoor adventures and camping trips, instilling a love for nature and outdoor activities in their kids. Taxing them more could discourage families from enjoying these experiences, limiting their connection to nature and each other. Instead of punishing 4WD owners, let's focus on encouraging greener practices and giving incentives for cleaner technologies in all vehicles.
any changes we make will be insignificant as we are a tiny % of world CO2 outputs, mind you CO2 isn't pollution it's a scam to push an agenda, the biggest polluters are not promising any reductions, China India and the US military..... the sooner we stop buying into this carbon dioxide is pollution the better !
Your new 15 minute city will be beautifully paved, you wont need anything bigger than a scooter.
Until you need work done an trades to comes an materials to come
@@RobertJohnson-uv9efI think the guy was sarcastic 😊 F the 15 minutes cities
Yep, you'll own nothing and be happy
yeah but electric scooters are banned in most states bud
It's Just the start
Even though Australia amounts to 1% of emissions we still are consumers of products made in China. It's been a combination of cost of manufacturing in Australia forcing it offshore and unrealistic emissions targets in the early years. Doesn't matter which way you look at it, our carbon emissions contribution extends outside of Australia.
That is ridiculous, but here in Canada the government is the same - we don't represent much of the carbon either but government wants to ban the sale of internal combustion vehicles by 2035. Our governments are not representing the people whom they are supposed too, they want to impoverish their citizens to reduce emissions which will not have an affect on global emissions. I feel you frustration.
It shits me to tears that pollies who've never driven past the Blue Mountains try to dictate what cars we should be driving.
I'd like to mention something that has been burning me for a while and that is the cost of diesel. think back before Covid, diesel was marginally cheaper than petrol. Covid came along and the Govt reduced the fuel levee by 20c per litre but diesel did not go down. Post Covid the govt increased the levee by the 20c per litre and BINGO up went diesel by 20c per litre. Why? They didn't drop the fuel levee on diesel, but up it went by 20c. Is this the fuel companies gouging diesel fuel vehicle owners? Have I missed something? Why have organisations like NRMA been so quite about it. They usually crow about everything?
It is the move to get rid of diesel-powered vehicles!!
Diesel is the fuel of the world and its price is heavily dictated by the global economy.
@@simmo6035 Its not just that. The vast majority of diesel sold in Australia is sold on contract to large consumers (freight companies, mining companies, etc) The fuel sold through your local servo is only a very small percentage so the price varies at the whim of the fuel companies
Fuel companies literally decided they didn't want to drop their prices
I think diesel is loosely tied to the price of jet fuel as its able to be re-cracked and refined into it so that woulden't help much.
sucks biodiesel isnt here, not that it'd sell....e85 didn't.
The excise cut was applied to both petrol & diesel. Keep to the facts.
I live in Europe and here we are suffocated by regulations. And the European Parliament is drafting further hair-raising laws. I thought Australia was a 4WD paradise. It's shocking to hear what politicians come up with for you in Australia 😮😢
I hope you guys in Australia get to keep your 4x4s and the freedom to keep wheeling the amazing tracks you have over there. Hopefully, I will get to meet up with you blokes next time you're in the US . Cheers Boys!
Well said!! We need high profile people to get involved and project a louder voice. These ridiculous policies have to stop before we can’t travel and see this beautiful country anymore. We also have to do our part and keep the tracks and campsites clean. DONT GIVE TYEM SN EXCUSE!!!
The biggest cancer in our society is the rise of the career politician. Young idealists go through school and university, emerge with a PPE degree then straight into politics for a life on the taxpayer dollar. All have been indoctrinated in the education institutions, without any experience of the real world or any clue what the vast majority of hard-working taxpayers want for their themselves and their children.
Politicians are supposed to be public servants, employed by the taxpayer to represent them, spend their taxes responsibly and keep their families safe. Instead we have ideologues who are more concerned with signalling their virtue to organisations like the WEF and UN.
Are you not signaling your own virtues and beliefs by way of this post?
100% correct !
There is no proposed ute tax. This is a total beat up. Do a fact check.
Well said.
NET ZERO! PRETTY SURE THATS A PUSH FOR EV
Your spot on 4x4 24/7 fellas! Good on you Shauno and Jesse for standing up and saying this. I stand with you!! I do not want to taxed for owning and using a patrol. Dont give in to people reprimanding you both about this,time will show that you are spot on with where our controling govt is heading. This comes from a fellow 4x4er who has seen almost every single one of your vids, and subd a long time ago!
This is the tip of the iceberg with what govt is up to!
STAND FIRM 4X4 COMMUNITY, STAND FIRM 4X4 24/7!!