The Truth About Machiavellian Narcissistic Abusers
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- In today's video Jill explains the truth about Machiavellian Narcissistic Abusers.
Jill Wise, otherwise known as The Enlightened Target, is a life long survivor of narcissistic abuse. She was raised by a malignant narcissist and married to a malignant narcissist, she has endured years of parental alienation, has repeatedly been targeted by narcissists throughout her life. She has an intimate understanding of all aspects of narcissistic abuse and Cptsd. She uses her experience and what she has learned to help educate others and bring awareness to narcissistic abuse. She is also a Narcissistic Abuse Recovery Coach and works with clients all over the world heal from the trauma of narcissistic abuse, parental alienation and Complex Ptsd.
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You need full armor for 1 of these walking legions.
Yes for theyre flyin monkeys also
There is no defense. You just avoid these people or you lose everything
@@andrewsmith3257 I totally agree cause as soon as I see the signs I’m out 🏃🏾♀️
@@andrewsmith3257 So true …. !
Yes you do
Dark Triad-
Machiavellianism-1- lack of empathy, 2- grandiosity, 3- manipulative, 4- lacking accountability, 5- impulsivity, 6- lack of conscience/ morality, tactics 1- gaslighting, 2- triangulation, 3- projection, 4- blame shifting. 5- isolation, 6- threats and intimidation, 7 - love bombing, 8- smear campaigns
victims feel anxiety fear, anxiety, uncertainty, low self esteem, depression, despair, PTSD, flashbacks, intense anxiety, isolation, physical health problems, difficulty trusting others
Analyzing the narrcasist is a fool's errand. I wish I could convince you all to make better use of your precious time.
@@jannettekirwin4530 I don’t disagree but when you have no choice but live with these monsters, it is in your best interests to know the nature of the beast to fight against the coming onslaught of psychological abuse. Suddenly feeling anxious and despair because the business trip is over, likely intended by the monster that’s just another room over.
@@saturdayschild8535 If you really can't physically leave, then treat the monster as he/it is: a nothing. That's grey rock on steroids. You wouldn't converse with a snake, a crop of poison ivy, the ebola virus, or a TAPEWORM etc. The monster is even less worth engaging with than any I mentioned. Once I finally percieved it that way, that monster became to me, what I always was to it:
NOTHING.
@@saturdayschild8535 The WORST THING one can do with a narcissistic friend, sibling, or parent especially-- is to excuse away their abuse. The next thing you know you're giving them narcissistic supply at your own expense if you doing that. (In 2 of those 3 mentioned type of cases - it took me DECADES to admit that in one way or another-- but THANKFULLY I went NO CONTACT and now have had NO CONTACT with those so-called people. (Now you're gonna have to find someone else to bitterly SMEAR CAMPAIGN without direct contact with nowadays, you haters/losers!)
@@saturdayschild8535 check out Lori Vallow. That's the nature of the beast you speak of. There is always a choice,, UNFORTUNATELY You must INSIST ON IT.
Every Narcissist I have dealt with in my life has been Machiavellian. So I think of it as one and the same.
Here too Robin.
I truly understand how painful of a life as an abused blamed hated out casted scapegoat is around these types of monsters.
They have caused such damage on the levels of prolonged exposure to complex trauma. (Known as PE-CPTSD)
Thru all the narc channels I've been on, I have never met anyone who's only endured the dark tetrad Machiavellian scapegoat survivor.
In a weird way, its so relieving to know I'm not alone, and you too, understand this kinda life of suffering.
Sending you huge thanks and huge ((((HUGS))) of healing and support. ❤👑❤
@@forensicbadassprofiling Thank you so much for your words and support! I appreciate it. Life has been an absolute hell-ride. I wish I had known somewhere along the way what I know now. Spent decades in disbelief and confusion, to add to the horror of what was happening, running like a prey animal. I remember at one point only feeling safe in my car. At least I could relax for a few moments before going back into war zones. Thanks again for your support. You are definitely not alone!
It's not the same. If you listed to hg tudor most narcs operate on instinct but the machiavelli narc is calculating in their manipulation and will go to any lengths for a win.
@@asmrfoodieuk7965 Yes, I said I think of it as the same because all of my encounters have been with the very aware machiavellian type. I'm aware there is another type.
They do not struggle...they just do what they do for their grandiosity and satisfaction....
I was exposed to a female maquiabelian narcissist for over 20 years. I totally forgot who I was, and start with the symptoms you've described. She manipulated my mom and dad, and abused them financially in a very sneaky way, almost unnoticeable. This argentinian lofty and arrogant woman is a freaking witch. She presents all the behaviors you've described here in this video. Her only daughter ended up a narcissist and she now is ruining her husband's life in all manners and ways possible. These are diabolical entities dressed as humans.
They aren’t human you’re right
@@colinwalter9381 yes..I asked God about ex and read to a child at work....story of spider .... Let words were cobweb wicked
If you guys are familiar with history, you'll find these women, not only torturing and killing Jews to fabricate lamps with their skins, and soap with the body fat, but also taking pleasure in their abominable acts. These are Maquiabelians. They just went up in their level of evil.
Our government is full of these character's!!
All anyone needs to know is: if you're with someone who makes you feel bad: LEAVE. LEAVE NOW.
You can stick around and check off all the symptomology or just LEAVE.
5 years with a dark triad narcasist...3 years out and your video really nails it.
I will never forget the eggshell walking everyday at the end. The violence had escalated over the years from slaps to punching..bites and spit in the face. Horrific abuse of my loved ones and the unbelievable blame shifting and zero remorse.
It takes total courage to walk away from someone you love and has become so enmeshed with....but you've got to do it...your very soul is on the line!
In the Netherlands we have this very prestigious price, a sort of social award, named Machiavelli-award. It exposes how rotten to the core the Dutch government is.
Shit, every country need dat bo 😂
@@redherronrecords what’s it to you? 💩🧻
You literally described the 1st 52 years of my life being surrounded by Machiavellian Dark Tetrads.
I'm almost 58 now, and have a diagnosis of PE-CPTSD.
A long road of recovery, but also the 1st 5 years of my life feeling safe as myself.
I have an incredible resource team of professionals helping me.
Thanks Jill.
Big hugs.
Five years on/off with a malignant: The way they treat those around them is disgusting.
I became so hyper-vigilant and my anxiety became so high that it massively affected my life. Digestive issues! I had to get out. I finally stopped loving him. He finally stopped being interesting to me and I saw the situation with him for what it was. I don’t know why “figuring him out” became such a fascination for me, but it did. Working on getting my own life! Working on having healthy boundaries.
The covert malignant narcissist i unknowingly got involved with years ago , turned out to be sadistic in nature and would set me up for situations were she tried to pit me against other men , because it gave her pleasure to see men fight over her. She never succeeded by the way , because we , good men , wouldn"t go there. When i tried to get away from her , she tried to accuse me of stalking and abuse. Luckily law enforcement and people in general didn't believe any of it.
Keep on exposing these demons!
Love and light Jill ❣️
People like her should really speak out against Anime and Manga, especially those which promote Narcissists like Asuka Langley Soryu from Neon Genesis Evangelion. Seriously entire generations of youth, teens and other people are being brainwashed into either becoming Narcissists, condoning Narcissists and falling victim to Narcissists.
Hi Jill. You’ve just conducted a master class on identifying the worst type of narcissist.Bless you.
Unbelievable how “she” checked every box…every single trait you mentioned. You were also correct about the lasting effects long after I left. The trust thing…I don’t even feel motivated to date…
I hear you brother...3 years out and I am unable to trust again.
Same here. Dating feels way too risky, especially when we know we're still pretty vulnerable and need to do a LOT of healing before we could possibly have a healthy relationship. Makes it seem like so much work, in a way. 😒🙄
They pretend empathy yet when op back turned they are belittling their experiences. Thank you for your video and the intro music soothes me
My so called “family” did every one of these to me.
This is one mayor symptom of being exposed to malignant narcissistic abuse which is NOT limited to a romantic partner: ANHEDONIA:
What's an Example of Anhedonia? Engaging in an activity that previously brought on a positive effect, but no longer elicits those feelings.
Yasssssss! I would wager we ALL* experience a period of time dealing with this after a narcissistic relationship.
My ex girlfriend if i just talked to another lady at a social dance event and seemed to be getting on she would go one step further and triangulate me with walking ahead of me and signalling to the guy to hold her hand in the expectation that he was going to get something a bit more that evening. They seem to retaliate to perceived wrongs in an over aggressive way. It would then be up to me to put myself in danger for her to ‘save’ her from an encounter in the man’s room.
My ex is a malignant narcissist which I am thinking is the same as Machiavelli narcissist. He has all these traits, you described him exactly.
Thank you Jill. Another absolutely necessary video, egs Bernie Madoff, Alex Murdaugh and so so many others, including my husband and his entire vampiric cult family. 😫😫
@@Moon999Girl EXACTLY THE SAME HERE!! It has become so clear over the last 18 years how deprave they ALL are, and I would bet millions on incest-not just emotionally, but sexually!!! They are sooooo sick I cannot stomach it a minute longer, and I’ve stayed to protect my one son, but they are ALL buying him off 🤮🤮🤮🤮💰💰💰💰💰
Wow. Thank you for describing EXACTLY what i dealt with and still dealing with her. It never ends. RUN FROM THESE DEMONS.
My narcissistic mother and sister are Machiavellian types. I am working on escaping from them and get for the innocent relatives that were harmed by them.
My narc "father" was on a regular base obsessively cruel to me but was crying I was once drinking "his" multifruit juice (that he has given me himself), he cried really crocodile tears, it was so hurting for him to share something he could have had for himself! Thank You!!:))!!💯!!
Threats and intimidation DAILY.
Tough day for me, got a text from my old friend who has basically taken my place with my mom and step dad, they think he the king of the world, always talking him up to everyone. I know he was be used to triangulate me by my mom who has been no contact for 4 months. Just sad I can't have a normal family, or at least someone who doesn't lie and expect me to endure abuse into adulthood.
Get as far away from that family as you can. They will become more and more clever at pulling you in until you have literally lost everything. And I mean everything. Because it will come to the point where you will leave it all behind just to save your life
@@theliberatedplanet, 💯💯💯
Thank your guardian angels and sit back and watch. They will show you WHY you don't want to be " that guy"
@@theliberatedplanet oh I left them behind, I live in Florida on the coast and they live all the way back in Montana. I actually lived in Siberia at one point to get as far away, 13 time zones, as possible.
@@moscowcowboy_13 Man u can be as far as u want from anybody once u cut the power off that u give someone
Thank you for sharing your wisdom and knowledge Jill !!
Words can not express my gratitude !!
The abuse is insidious, the trauma bonds leaves the victim with Stockholm Syndrome !!
Empaths beware we are Targets !!
End it at the first lie !!!
Sounds like my ex-husband , but it also sounds like a female I once knew ! Needless to say , neither one of them are in my life anymore! Thank god!
Experienced every aspect! When I left i was "wrong" for leaving 😅 Thanks Jill ❤ Knowledge is power! 💯 👏🏼
I am probably dealing with and may be moving down the street, from a sister who’s like this, as if my now-deceased mother wasn’t like this.
The absolute righteousness these people have. Although I’m not actually living in the situation yet, I and a friend feel as if my sister is ensuring that she is smearing me enough, to ensure my stay is miserable. Once I’m done clearing the property, however, I may sell. The only reason I’m considering staying there right now, is because of the real estate market. But, having someone actually go against the court who’s approved you changing the lock to keep her out and she breaks in and changes the lock so I’m locked out, is a pretty dangerous thing. I will work to port all of my security over and will have her arrested, if she does this again.
❤❤ Grateful for your spreading TRUTH & Knowledge!💞💞💞 Blessings!!
Oh God. I lived this. So glad to be set free...
Thank you so much for this Jill, Absolutely tremendous, Speaks volumes, Peace, love and respect to you and everyone, Thank you universe, All glory to the most high God 💛💜👁😃🕆🌹⚽🕊💙🌈💚✌♱👽☘🐎🍄😊😇🌲❤🌌🦁🦄
I was raised by a malignant narc.
I'm in therapy and will try my best to always be.
I'm never sure enough that I'm only a lil damaged.
Definitely my narc ex and my father
Thank you Jill we love you and happy Easter❤❤
Exactly what I’m coming out of, so much trauma🥲🙏🙏🥰
In around 1980 a group of people bought a publication called "Psychology Today", and started a new column by a writer who called himself Prince Machiavelli and gave fatherly advice to the president of the US, Ronald Reagan. The issues 80-83 are hard if not impossible to find anywhere, but I clearly remember my disgust as I read them, and who knows if Reagan did. He seemed to lack empathy also.
yes, i have difficulty trusting.
My narcissistic father told me to get this book and I got it to learn what to look out for and how to avoid these types of men in relationships and business relationships.
Thank you.
Peace 💕🇺🇲
I have to comment... Your explanation was Absolutely Brilliant. Very well done!
Absolutely true! Very grateful I found the strength and courage to get away. 37 years down the tube!
Sadly right on with a number of persons I know.
Wow! I can relate to everything you have explained in this video. Thank you for your great work Jill. xoxo Deb🐝🌺
Thank you🤍🕊🙏🙂
I been thru unfourantely smh
Well done, lady! Excellent descriptions. 🎯
The trauma bond is hard to break but you can do it I'm on 3 months and I think I'm ok I'm better that's for sure than I was
Oh one if my old neighbors/boss/friend/abuser/acquaintance/family lol 😌😌😌🙏🙏🙏 believe that was about the only thing on my block God knows best I leave it to you God I surrender to you!❤❤❤❤
Yea the narcissist told me i was cheating smh
How do we deal with these people?
Reflection if you're in a position of safety only.
GET AWAY from them.
Build large asylums and put them away, so they can't hurt people anymore.
Flee, stay away.
Run!
Would this be an individual with ASPD and NPD?
I've heard professionals say that every ASPD is narcissistic, but the comorbidity of the two disorders is a Magligant Narcissism
My child's father is diagnosed ASPD-textbook case, and fits this description. I'm at a loss for my 10 year old who doesn't want a relationship with him, but the family court system has ordered access regardless.
Why aren't personality disorders seen as safety issues/unfit parents such as other mental health conditions like depression and addiction
Yes, it would be a person with both NPD and ASPD.
Hello Jill!
There are also perverse narcissists/perverse narcissism. Would be cool to listen to your take on them some time. They really feel like everything is upside down for them, but they project it onto you, which is truly amusing, yet they can be dangerous because of how stong projections are for them
A few years back, I discovered this personality type from Bill Eddy as being a "High Mac". It's nice to finally see someone in the narcissistic abuse community shedding light on this and giving it the attention that it deserves. I have a sister whom I have long suspected is Machiavellian. I still don't understand how she turned out to be this way as an adult, as she was such a good person growing up. I do believe, however, that her behavior evolved into what it is, from her strong need to control and "help" other people to such great extremes... Denying them their own free will choices, by force, if necessary, out of fear that bad things will happen to them and to the world if things do not go according to how her belief system dictates that they should.
Morally speaking, I was "on the wrong side", so she made my life and the lives of others in the community a living hell. The end absolutely justifies the means and I can not underestimate the damage that these people can cause and how dangerous they can be.. Put her together with my toxic, bullying, older brother, and my enabling younger brother and you have the perfect storm. I've been no contact with them for years. It's very sad and hard not to have a family anymore, but I have a loving spouse and I am finally building up social networks of support.
Jesus God have mercy the thumbnail for this video was a HORRIBLE thing for me to see while house sitting for friends in their isolated house, midnight, in the dark, already unsettled and trying like Hell to fall asleep despite my fear.
Excellent & Fantastic lessons!!! Keep it up
You keep describing my father. 🤔
You're speaking about my former wife and her mother, who have all these nasty traits but masquerade as devout Seventh Day Adventist church members!
It almost sounds like ASPD
PROFOUND LACK OF EMPATHY! SKILLED MANIPULATORS...that's my family 🤮
Yep, that’s my ex.
Thank you for your incredibly useful videos! ❤
How so you shut a person like this down?
I just can't figure out what's the difference between the Machiavellian narcissist and any other narcissist. Don't all narcissists do these things that you are describing? I just can't see the difference.
Here's my personal experience and understanding of this: A pure narcissist just wants narcisstic supply ie adoration, commitment, prioritisation, servitude. So it's all for them. Machiavellian requires outward aggression to harm and destroy someone's life to give them the abuser a feeling of power and control. It's psychopaths that lie in manipulative ways to cause you problems knowing it's a lie for that purpose. Narcissists lie but they believe their own disordered truth and it is self-serving in nature for supply. The hardest to distinguish are therefore covert psychopathic narcissists who display aspects of these at different times which is extremely disorienting, even hypnotic and trauma bonding, because of the push pull and unpredictable nature that creates codependency among other things. Jill's the expert but that's my personal unfortunate experience.
Machiavelli writing where very proper if you fit that with the modern contemporary common PTSD usage you didn't understood at all the knowledge that is part of specific curriculum and maybe not for all to move with, has a kitchen knife it was simply tools for an already specific experienced learner
Oh my gosh!! Spot on my ex husband!!!!
My brother is this. He managed to convince my mom with dementia to discard me. She is a covert neglect narcissist. I didn’t realize that he would take advantage of my dad dying, moms dementia, and use whatever he made up to make mom hate me. I couldn’t make dads funeral due to a child with a high fever. I kept running into roadblocks, like God wanted me no where near him. I had a horrible gut feeling. He also didn’t call on my dads death bed, and they were supposed to, and he said he’d fly me there when the time was right, and he lied.
I believe his ultimate goal is everything in my moms house, their land, antiques, whatever money she may have, and I’ve called lawyers and more, and no help. My mom may not be the best, but she has no idea what I witnessed in his awful evil voice he used toward me. I asked for copies of the will, life insurance and more, and he would not furnish them. He stated he wasn’t hiding them, but he is. He put his name on the safety deposit box, consolidated moms accounts, and I have no idea what else he is doing besides looting her house and lying about an infestation.
My ex. is into BDSM she was suppose to visit me to be my caretaker during my jaw surgery I connected the dots she takes pleasure watching me in pain. Thought this person would be the wrong person for the job. Left the abuser not ounce of stability. Her mind was like hornets nest.
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Know one and been a victim
I don’t see complex ptsd in the dsm 5, wgat is that?
Unfortunately it still hasn’t made it into the DSM. Hopefully it will for the next addition. Google Pete Walker Complex PTSD, it will tell you all about it.
I've heard that it's recognized in the ICD. Not familiar with that literature though.
There's been debate on whether BPD is actually CPTSD or is a combination of BPD and PTSD.
Avoid the toll, LEAVE.
💯✌️. 👍
Correct me if I’m wrong I’m just trying to understand I’m 8 months into obsessive research and am now what I consider to be highly educated in this stuff but I’ve seen many many videos on covert narcissist which is what I was with and this sounds identical in every way like if you watched a video about a coverts triats what is any different?
That would mean your ex is way higher on the spectrum than the average covert narcissist. Machiavellian Narcissists are considered the highest on the spectrum.
When the lady cop got there. We were already out there !! Ask her !!; tgats why this is my story !!!!! That happened to me !!!!! How you going to tell me I can't work I can't do this or do that if I don't do this or say this or that ?????? Because all the other people giving their accounts as to what happened !! Where not even there ! Not even trusted to be told what happened !! And Aaron's story is a certain way for a reason. !! Because I was there !! So. .,.. you going to be accusing me I should have the right to tell my story and I should have the right to legal representation !! Not to sit here and be told what to say !! Or threaten !!!
So they are psychopaths, right?
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Singapore. Hole in back and their fear based media game. Repeat. This time they have hurt me too much. Teeth and legs. Their karma.
Bullseye 🎯🎯
i live with one omg ots like living with satan
Sounds like a few politicians , like a former president called Donald trump.
Also Joe Biden
Sounds like most of the political elite: both past and present.
Absolutely and All other politicians, "lawyers" as well as certain of- especially the Western World's "social welfare administrators"...as well off course as all the tech-psycho's
In Dublin eevcall them all "the entitled" and, everyone know which restaurant's and cafe's to avoid - in order to actually be able to breathe....
These people can't be described in normal human words I'm afraid....they should be deported to another planet - best another solar system as they clearly have absolutely NO normal human insigh 🤮t!!
@@phyllistouchstone7136 You are fukin nuts. You have zero skill identifying disorder.
Um no
Stop giving them the stage. You're wasting your time. Just leave. They are not worth analysis.
Stop giving bad advice. It’s wrong.
That thumbnail pic is pure Satan
Thank you for doing this video.🕊️🙏❤️perfect description.
Hi. Dr Craig Childress evaluated my 6 children. They are showing 8 out of 8 of the diagnostic indicators of severely alienated kids. Can you help me find a subspecialist in Arizona? I’m doing a motion to the court begging for treatment.
He told me my husband is dark triad
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