6.7L Ford Powerstroke CP4 Injection Pump Failure #1 Diagnosis
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- Опубліковано 3 чер 2018
- This is the first of two back-to-back failures we recently saw on the 2011-2017 6.7L Ford Powerstroke Bosch CP4.2 high pressure injection pump. Initial analysis points to water in the fuel, as the Fuel Press Control Valve (FPCV) and Fuel Volume Control Valve (FVCV) were both heavily rusted. This water contamination resulted in catastrophic failure of the high pressure injection pump due to the water's displacement of the diesel fuel which provides the lubrication and cooling of the pumps cam and rollers located within the pump crankcase. Due to a design flaw from Ford, this debris from the pump's crankcase was then sent to the high pressure side of the pump, subsequently pressurized, and sent out the the fuel rails, all eight injectors, the return lines, fuel cooler and back to the tank before it was eventually drawn back through the primary filter within the Diesel Fuel Conditioning Module (DFCM) and the engine mounted secondary filter. The end result was complete destruction of the high pressure fuel system resulting in a repair bill nearing $9,000!
The Scorpion CP4 Disaster Prevention Kit would have prevented the contamination of the fuel rails and injections, by diverting the debris from the failing cam and rollers directly back to the tank, instead of the inlet to the high pressure pump, thereby saving everything downstream of the injection pump and a whole lot of $$$. Look for our other video containing the innovative and relatively cheap insurance for your 6.7L Powerstroke.
It is our further belief that a FASS fuel/water seperator would greatly prolong the life of the stock CP4 pump by continually filtering out water, dirt and air from the fuel, thereby delivering the highest quality fuel for this application. Also look for our video containing this relatively cheap upgrade for your 6.7L Powerstroke's fuel system that will help your investment last longer with less downtime and expense.
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I have a 2014 with the CP4 fuel pump. When I bought the truck I knew about the issues the CP4 fuel pump. I would change my fuel filter at no more than 15k miles and usually ever oil change. I also had selected stations I would buy diesel from. When on the road I only used Pilot or Loves truck stops and would plan my stops accordingly. On top of that I put Ford diesel treatment in at every fill up. When I hear people talk about lack of maintenance causing these fuel pump failures I boil over. There was nothing more I could have done to prevent the two fuel pump failures and complete fuel system replacements in 3 years I have had. The pump has a know design flaw with the plunger/roller turning in the sleeve that no maintenance will prevent. Ram used the CP4 in 2019 to 2021 and recognized the problem and has issue a recall in Jan 2022 to replace the CP4 with the CP3. When will Ford step up, do what right and follow suit.
I have 2 fords and Im never going to get another ford.. They have been money pits
Nice vid sir
nice video thank you
Hello how are you. I wanted to ask them if they have had failures in 6.7 camshafts. premature wear in their trucks.
Well this just happened my truck last Sun while i was Literally sittn in my driveway with it idling about to go inside for the night. Then all of a sudden Bam it just Dies out of nowhere. Get it towed to the dealership an this is what happened. This could not have come at a more worse time do to the Holidays. Hopefully i can get it paid for an go back to the oilfield in West Texas. This video helped me understand more about what actually happened.
Caleb, I hate that happened to you brother but glad we could provide some understanding. Stay safe in the oil patch!
Kinda begs the question - why isn't a system in place from the factory to reroute debris in the event of a fuel pump failure?
This system is designed by Bosch but it would appear that they overlooked this failure mode when they were engineering it.
So if you have the same codes and also a passenger side low pressure code, pull the cp4 regulator and don't see a single metal shaving, what else would cause it to have no pressure? I've changed both filters and the regulator on drivers fuel rail but still have a no start with what sounds almost like a grinding sound. It also literally stops the starter and sounds like it's binding. It ran fine before and just suddenly acted up.
It’s going to take every single one of us with this issue to down their name to the fullest extent just to even be thought of by them
Hey guys!! I went to Ford dealership in Québec Canada and they told me nerver had a case of CP4, do you think it is because our fuel is better than the US ? Thanks for your comments.
I would change the pump and hope the filters do their job
Where did you get that ladder to work over that truck?
It's a topside creeper made by Traxion. I picked mine up off Amazon.
What fuel additive , lubricity enhancer and water treatment do you recommend for tanks,,, how often? Does a bypass kit make a difference to recent this problem?
“ The metal shavings problem”
use Motorcraft cetane booster or stanadyne fuel conditioner
So my 2016 deleted powerstroke is popping up p2269(water in fuel) and p0087 (fuel rail press too low). I have religiously changed fuel filters, and use good fuel and archoil every fillup. I have the “drain fuel filter” message on my dash still, even though i drained the water (there was a lot) and ordered a new water sensor. Im really hoping i didnt frag my cp4. I may be being paranoid, but im not sure what happens when the cp4 fails. My truck still runs fine, until you romp on it, it triggers the CEL. Would a failed cp4 still allow the truck to run perfectly fine? No noises or anything either. going to order fuel filters tmoro as well as try and check my MPROP for shavings, but id sleep a lot better ruling out a failed cp4. Thanks!!
Jason Keeling yes, figured it out tho. My aux tank must be letting water inside and then im filling it up, so ya
Wow!!
Great video and very informative. The problem this truck has, do you think it's because of how he took care of his truck caused this or is this something that can happen to someone like me who is ALWAYS ON TOP of his engine? I change my filters when it's time and I don't hot rod my rig or abuse it. As far as you can tell, does this truck owner take care of his rig? I bought brand new back in 2011 a ford f250 4×4 6.7L and its my first diesel and I gotta tell you, it makes me nervous wherever a service engine light kicks on. I'm a muscle car guy and I've built my own engines but this diesel world it's another ball game and what really worries me isn't working on it but the price for parts. Like the truck in your video, if that happened to me I could fix it with no problem but I too would have to sale mine because I wouldn't have the 2 to 5 grand or more to fix it. Take care and God bless. Thumbs up on your video bud.
Thank you for your comments sir! The owner of this 2014 bought the truck used and it was previously deleted and tuned. There was evidence of water in the fuel pressure regulator due to excessive rust. However, we had another 2013 which was a company/personal vehicle that was meticulously maintained with NO evidence of any previous water contamination. It is possible that one bad tank of fuel had excessive emulsified water that overran the capability of the stock filtration system and ruined the pump. I would use a high quality fuel additive with a lubricity enhancer and water treatment with every tank.
@@ozarkdieseloffroad567 Thank you for the fast reply and the info buddy.
No, the CP4 pump is not made to run on American diesel fuel, you can read the publishing by Bosch. Our low emissions diesel does not provide enough lubricant.
@@ozarkdieseloffroad567 What Fuel additive do you recommend?
Ozark Diesel & Off Road deleted and tuned. Say no more. Folks buy these trucks and then immediately try to out engineer the engineer. Hardly ever works out and it’s expensive. Just maintain them properly and don’t abuse them and they will last. My last one was a 2006 6.0 traded it with 280,000 miles on it. Ran like a top. Never tuned or molded except for some minor mods like coolant and oil bypass filter and the like. Had riser pipes and injectors done and egr cooler. I backflush Ed the oil cooler annually and flushed coolant, ran synthetic oil, serviced transmission every 30k. Never gave me any issues. Now I have a 2020 f350 dually. Running synthetic oil changing every 6000 miles, factory air filter, no tuner, fuel filters every 15k just like my last one. I suspect this truck will also last for many trouble free years.
Nice video! I have a 2013 f350 6.7 and I have a p0088 code and it says fuel rail pressure too high bank 1 in your experience what would you say I should have checked out or what could it be I can't find any videos on it thanks
Did you figure out this issue?
@jamescarr290 yes it was my metering valve that sits on top of the fuel pump it didn't look bad at all but once I changed it it never did it again towing a 10k trailer state to state too👍🏼
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Thanks for the reply! Mine is doing it only when I rev it up multiple times at once without giving it time to go back to idle. Driving,flooring it no issues. Code stays cleared until I rev fast. I rev Normal once or twice no code there either.
Hey, I have a 6.7 powerstroke, 2013, I accidentally put about 1/4 of diesel exhaust fluid in the wrong tank, drove it 2 days ran fine. Got the fuel filters and diesel tank emptied out, still running great, but there’s a check engine light, it say the same thing change the p228f , but my truck is still running good, how severe is this? Thank you
Need complete new fuel system
I'm considering a new truck for my small buisness i own a 7.3 still going strong with 300k miles. When I see these videos about the cp4 and fuel system issues it scares the shit out of me wanting another diesel at this time. What would be your best recommendation from experience should I play it safe and settle for a gas truck versus a ticking time bomb with these new diesels ??
You'll be fine all you really need to do is additive like Stanadyne
Rebuild the 7.3 with more fuel lol
Buy 2021 ram diesel has bullet proof cp3
@@Luis-ic8ej I am sure that Ram starting using the CP4 in 2019. Ram has a recall coming out in Jan 2022 to convert it back to the Cp3.
I have a 2017 Ford 6.7 with only 32k miles. I've heard that this can be caused by low sulfur fuel and a few other design flaws in the pump. Can my pump be changed to a CP3 ? Or do I put a bypass kit in it ? If so, which one ?
you have to put a bypass on it, there’s no actual cp3 conversion
Hs by pass kit
@@Luis-ic8ej H&S makes a dual fueler kit that adds a cp3 which takes some of the workload on the cp4 but you’ll still need a cp4 bypass. I suggest you get one from S&S diesel
Cp4 buypass do you think it’s worth time and money to have done
Absolutely worth it, under $400 parts and roughly 2 hrs to install, easy DIY. Won't save the pump but will save the injectors and rails. Just have to flush the tank, lift pump/filter housing, and replace cp4. Its worth the price of 1 injector.
Where are y’all located at I’m in Russellville AR I need to find me a good diesel mechanic
My 2012 6.7 just had a cp4 failure what all do I need to replace now? Thank you so much
The whole fuel system!
How much did it cost to replace ..my 2014 just hit the dealership for CP4 catastrophic failure...I'm so depressed
I hope you found and independent repair shop that was able to take of this issue for you. They can supply you with much better solution than the factory parts.
The Scorpion CP4 Disaster Prevention Kit sound like to me should have come from manufacture already on engine! So, know some has an aftermarket part? Class action Lawsuit seems to be in play here! If Toyota comes out with a diesel dually there goes our big three due to these damn repair bills on already overpriced vehicles!!
I want a 6.7 but they are so dang expensive to work on.
I've seen more expensive vehicles lol. As I've always said, we're not the cheapest, we're the best!
:( water in fuel. sucks. Gotta stay on top of fuel filter and there should be a dash light that comes on for that. A lot of diesel fuel filters have a water in fuel sensor. That needs to be changed on an interval and if the light comes of the engine needs to be cut off immediately after turbo has a moment to slow down.
it still can happen
It’s sad , u pay 65+ k for a truck an it shits fuel pump an the whole fuel system before u can even pay it off 😬 those things are just a big money pit ..... junk
Dear friend I'm working on 2018 ford f550 6.7 I replaced fuel gas tank fuel filter 8 injectors High fuel pressure pump and I'm getting one code P0093 and everything form the dealer any idea
Does the truck start and run at all? Did you replace EVERYTHING with the contamination kit from Ford? If not, the injectors, the injector return line, all high pressure lines, and both fuel rails with all sensors MUST be replaced. Did you flush the system with new fuel from a clean/new tank prior to removing the old engine components? You won't get all of the debris out, but it is a start. Did you flush the system with the new fuel and the new components in place with the return line disconnected from the tank to verify a complete flush? Ford does not specifically say to replace the low pressure lift pump or the fuel cooler on the return line, but it is highly advisable to do so. With a scan tool, can you see the difference in actual vs desired fuel pressure?
How many miles on your 2018 ?
What causes this I’ve ran through two trucks within a year
The general consensus is lack of lubrication from ULSD. Other contributing factors include fuel contaminated with air, water or dirt. The pump has two lobes and two roller bearings located on a "bucket" or follower. If the buckets are upset, they will rotate in their bore and in turn cause the roller to be at a right angle to the cam lobe and cause rapid destructive wear.
How do I take out the cvp
The Fuel Volume Control Valve or MPROP is located in the top of the CP4 pump. You must remove the both the upper and lower intake manifolds to access it.
Great video man I guess maybe that was your personal truck? Hope it worked out okay for you.
No sir, it was a loyal customer's rig. He loves the truck but he's in it deep now lol.
How much are repairs?
How many miles were on the truck when the cp4 failed?
We had two back-to-back. 1st was a 2014 with 130,709 miles. At some point significant water had been in the system because the fuel pressure regulator was rusted. 2nd was a 2013 with only 74,849 miles with ZERO signs of water contamination. We have a second video where I show the extent of the damage to my son.
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Hello, I have a 2013 with a whine sound coming from around that area. Do the pumps show/sound premature failure?
@@ozarkdieseloffroad567 how about a 5-month-old, 2020 Ford 6.7L with 7,500 miles shutting down without any warning of any kind due to a failed Bosch CP4 high pressure fuel pump? Hadn't even changed the oil yet.
I'm looking for a fuel sensor location
It is on the front of the driver side fuel rail.
Isn’t there a lawsuit against Ford over the fuel pump ?
Should be!!
Ford strikes again!
That's all new diesels that run the Bosch injector pump. CP4 class action lawsuit.
The cummins and Duramax use the same fuel system and they grenade also.
chevy same issue
Change it out to cp3 conversion then he’ll get more for it
On my2022 F250 6.7 p s
How much does it take to fix it ?
Right about 10,000 dollars or better!
@@midnightstalk5906 right, if you pay a shop
To do it. I’m talking if you do it yourself
@@TheNotYetProSkaters the entire fuel system.... everything that has to do with fuel.
@@midnightstalk5906 8x Injectors
1x CP4 Fuel Pump
2x Bosch Fuel Rails
8x Injector Fuel Lines
1x Return Line Assembly
8x Injector Hold Down Bolts
1x Fuel Pipe Assembly
1x High Pressure Fuel Line Assembly
1x Fuel Pump Installation Gasket Kit
Also fuel cooler and low pressure fuel pump. We like to install the FASS pump and factory fuel filter delete for additional filtration and peace of mind.
CP4 grenaded. What creeper is that??
Traxion top side creeper.
It is simple gentlemen... FORD does not make trucks.. they make MONEY...and lots of it. The FORDs your pappy bought for years.... are no longer produced. What is really a back stabbing... is what FORD charges for this junk. Also, FORD does not care if it fails before you pay off the note..WHY? They will gladly roll your existing DEBT into your new loan for another piece of krap truck.....it is a wealth generating machine. FORD needs competition... and buyers need to stop purchasing FORDs... or they will just keep shafting working people.
My company truck has the same problem Ford house wants 9k to fix it.
That's about the going rate for this type of failure. However, we always add the CP4 Disaster Prevention Kit whenever we replace the CP4 pumps, which Ford cannot do.
Anyone read where the CP4 was meant for European diesel fuel which has more lubricant in it? But due to cost issues to put in the more expensive American fuel pump, Ford put in the European one. The diesel in the US has less lubricant causing these catastrophic failures. Recommended that you put lubricant additive in EVERY time you fuel if you have this specific pump.
Not just Ford. Gm and fiat
I don't know the exact process how US automakers choose the suppliers, whether they issue specifications and accept bids, collaborate with suppliers to design and build systems, or choose readily available systems. I'm leaning towards the last based on this document from Bosch's website found here: www.boschautoparts.com/documents/101512/0/0/5e9f6e43-6e7f-490f-b455-24d6b377c4ca