You Get What You Pay For - S&S CP4 Disaster Prevention Kit vs Knock-Offs
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- Опубліковано 22 гру 2022
- It has come to our attention that foreign companies, lacking ethics and originality, have ATTEMPTED to copy our Gen2.1 CP4 Disaster Prevention Kit, right down to the instructions. They seek to steal the knowledge, time, and money that we have invested in our kit, and our nation... BUT THEY CAN'T GET IT RIGHT, and here's why!
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Great video , best part is made in the USA
Thank you for sharing. Very much appreciated.
Great video! I bought my S&S DPK through Thoroughbred Diesel and they were great to work with. Glad to have the real deal on my truck! Thanks for everything y'all do!
Thank you for your business! The team at Thoroughbred Diesel are top notch and we're fortunate to have them as partners.
Why I have almost completely stopped doing business with Amazon. Even items sold by and shopped by them, let alone fulfilled by them only are starting to have knock-offs enter the supply chain. It all started for me a few years back when I ordered a fuel filter kit for my 2014 F350 with the 6.7L diesel. The photo was correct, but having been doing this for years I immediately knew the filters were bullshit when they arrived. I have yet to bolt on an S&S part yet. With 200k on my truck now, I had been ready to pull the trigger on the bypass kit. Then you announced the DCR. Tough choice. Either way, PTT wA Rod will be installing whichever I choose. The dude is an artiste, much like yourselves
Amazing Video. Wish more products were made in the USA. Going to be purchasing this kit.
Loved the video thank you S&S team
I am all about saving money. That’s why I bought your bye pass kit because you’ve done great testing and showed that they work and the savings will come if I (we) have a failure in the future I have bought 3 of your kits in last 4 days one for my truck and 2 for friends of mine. Came across this video watching install videos because I am in the process of installing your kit on a friends truck first then mine and then next friends truck. Thanks for putting out a quality product.
Thank you for your business, and for choosing the original over the cheap clone attempts.
Thanks for the video and information. What kind of flashlight is that?
sweat shop disaster prevention kit. i used the OG S&S kit.
Sad deal when someone does this... I will spread the news to anyone I know who is looking to install a genuine S&S Disaster Kit.
Great video!
Thank you!
I would add a cosmetic fault , because the cloned copies will get better. In Europe some of the cloned parts on certain products were so good that the steel had to be tested ! After that slight printing and stamping errors were introduced which were not copied onto the clones making them easy to distinguish to the trained eye.
You guys are great!! I absolutely believe you get what you pay for. I've had your disaster prevention kit on my '17 for a while now and I love having the piece of mind knowing my fuel system is protected by a quality American product.
The ol’ adage, ‘You get what you pay for’….I have been burned to many times in the past and always ended up spending double in the end trying to save half to begin with!
I was shopping for a kit on Amazon and I wasn’t sure if the S&S kit was worth the extra money. This video put the nail in the coffin for sure, I’m only going to order an S&S kit.
Thank you! The guys in the back that build them appreciate your support.
@@SSfueled I ordered one yesterday
This video made me decide on your kit hands down. You are by no means talking bad about the other kits, you a merely showing the flaws that are below par to what our trucks require.
Thank you.
My biggest thing would be the bypass block you don't want it to have any paint on it or eventually it will come off I just installed mine definitely worth the extra money
Thank you for choosing the original. We appreciate your support.
I’ll be buying mine thru s&s
i need on of these kits for my 3.0l powerstoke
You know my cp4 blew up in my truck and I was gonna buy spe but I actually like this dude he seems like a no bullshit kinda guy.
S&S all day! Thanks to Arod for educating me.
Good morning. I have an Isuzu engine that uses the cp4 pump. I want to install a bypass kit and need only the piece that holds the metering valve as the rest will need to be customized anyway. Can you sell parts separately?
I don't see anywhere on S&S website were I can ordered directly from S&S. Yes I see the vendor list. When people have to go looking through vendors, bad things happen. I think sometimes they accidentally buy the wrong kit. Being able to buy directly from S&S would be an amazing benefit to customers. They know they got the right kit from the right people. I understand though. Having a massive shipping and receiving department is not feasible. I see both sides loosing a little bit here. 🤷♂️... AND, Thank you for showing us the correct kit.
Solid feedback and a good point, thank you. We're one of the few companies in the aftermarket that does not sell directly. We've often considered it, yet we keep making the choice to support the people that helped us get where we are today. 10 years ago, when the S&S brand was unknown, several dealers took a chance and partnered with us. We want to honor that partnership and not compete with our dealers. The flip side is that it's a hassle for guys like you. One of these days we may find a good balance. Thank you for giving us a customer's perspective on it.
S&S!! Love your products but - can you please put on your instructions that the off-road kit you DO NOT use the 9th injector.
It cost me a day trying to figure that out. I only risked it when I watched a video and didn’t see the banjo bolt….
Thank you for your business, and for the honest feedback.
Thanks for everything you guys do there at S&S! I've used and sold many of your products through the years. Never had s single problem or customer comeback with even one! Soon, I'll be installing one of these kits on a customer's '15 F350 and I'll be purchasing it through Thoroughbred Diesel. BUY AMERICAN, SUPPORT THE USA!!!
Thank you for your business and support! We'll do our best to continue the streak.
Hi, is there a kit for the 2017 Nissan Titan 5.0 Cummins Diesel
The Donaldson fuel filter interchanges with Napa 3358 (10 micron) and Napa 3124 (6 micron) fuel filters. Do you have any experience with this to know if either of these are an acceptable replacement filter for me when the time comes?
We did not have the bandwidth to test every filter out there. As long as the micron and efficiency rating match Donaldson's 9 micron at 99.5%, they should work the same. We say "should" because we prefer to make data-based confirmations. Keep an eye on the efficiency rating of other filters. You may get a low micron yet with a low efficiency percentage. We prefer to use the micron rating at 99% because it's as close to absolute as you can get. Technically, the Donaldson is 7 micron at 99.1%. Another factor in choosing the Donaldson filter was availability. You should not have much trouble finding one. Thanks for checking.
make a kit for the vw 3.0 tdi.
Hey those filters might catch sticks and twigs. lol A shame every good idea winds up getting tried to backdoored.
I'm buying a FUBAR truck that needs a complete fuel system contamination kit (at least) and I want to do it right. Can I pair this product with your CP4 to DCR conversion kit? Or is this kit not needed with the DCR conversion? Please forgive me if that is a dumb question. New subscriber.
Great question. The Disaster Prevention Kit in this video is not needed with a DCR pump conversion.
Have you guys just changed the filter and the adapter and rubber hose to braided?
We have not seen the need to use braided hose. The rubber fuel hose that we use has been tested for fuel, pressure, and longevity. We’ll certainly make changes if/when needed.
What’s really shitty is that when they don’t sell enough of the knockoffs fast enough, they’ll drop the price and then people will cheap out and buy them
Very true. We hope that this video gives fair warning of what they are getting themselves into. Based on Amazon reviews, it seems that a few people are learning the hard way.
I would love to see how long the air hose tubing would last with fuel in it! What an absolute pile of sh1t.
Would this work on a VW/Audi TDI engine with a CP4 pump installed?
This particular version will not, but we are currently testing a new prototype in a few of our TDI development vehicles.
Has anybody ever provided with a definition for diesel fuel lubricity beyond just the words? what is the causal mechanism for poor diesel fuel lubricity?
Wouldn't teeing off the supply fuel limit the fuel that lubricates the crankcase a little bit? I have the kit and I'm on the fence on installing.
That's a valid concern. Rest assured, it will not limit lube flow to the case. The overflow valve on the pump case is what sets the supply pressure by bleeding off excess fuel. This ensures that the case is completely full of fuel and at the correct pressure. We've thoroughly validated our kit to make sure stuff like that doesn't happen. Just one more example of what we do and what the knock-offs don't. They just sit back and let us do all of the work and then swoop in and copy a thoroughly developed product. Based on the results of this video, they can't even copy it right.
@@SSfueled awesome, looking forward to installing it. Thanks for your reply
When an engine is replaced do you need to replace the blue o-ring on the metering block to pump place or can it be reused when reinstalling on the new engine? Thank You.
You can reuse the blue o-ring that sealed the IMV to the pump.
Thank you!!!!!!!!
Great video showing the showing the short comings of the knock off kit. Honestly I'm not sure why anyone would be willing to save $50 and not just buy the real deal. You would be supporting a US based company, American made product. Plus saving $50 to have install headaches and potentially costing you thousands of dollars down the road in fuel system replacement. Having been around building high horsepower vehicles and being meticulous with builds I find these knockoff products atrocious to the industry and poison to those that just don't know any better. Pay once, cry once. If you cut corners it will always cost you more in the end. Another thing to consider is how responsive and supportive a company's customer and technical support is. I know S&S has top notch support and technical support, can you say the same for these over seas companies that make these knock off products? I have a S&S CP3 conversion kit in my current 5th gen ram, its a superior product that you can tell that it went through a thorough QC process and made with top quality components. It ticks me off to see a company spend the time and resources on R&D just for another company to swoop in and copy their products and do a sh*t job of it. Spend the few extra bucks, support an American built company that employs Americans and end up with a premium quality American made product. Its a win win and no brainer. Great job S&S 👍 🇺🇸
Thank you for trusting us!
Wow.
I believe the first knockoff one has the same push ball in there as yours, is that not reliable?
At least they managed to copy that part of our design correctly. Pressing a ball into the drilling is the best way to ensure a good seal without metal burs, which would make it more reliable than the NPT plug used by the second knock-off. Yet, the first kit uses rubber air hose that is not rated for diesel fuel, loose worm gear clamps, plastic flashing in the quick connect fittings, and a knock-off fuel filter that doesn't even filter. It is NOT reliable at all.
WHATS THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEE YOUR S&S KIT AND THE SPE KIT?? Please
We try to focus on the features of our product and not what our competition is doing differently. We made an exception with this video because ATTEMPTING to copy our kit to a T is not competing, it's cheating. In the case of SPE, they at least took our original DPK idea and expanded on it with their own design and added a 20 micron metal screen to catch the metal. We have not failed a CP4 to test their kit, but we have failed multiple CP4s to validate our Gen2.1 DPK. The first failure was on our test bench to get a debris sample for analysis. Results show that 51.43% of the debris volume was under 21.2 micron and 27.49% was under 9.86 micron. Based on those results we were confident that any extremely small particles would get filtered out in the factory fuel filters. Mold and tree spores fall into the 9 micron category, so we're not too concerned with particles under that making it past the return filter. Just to be safe, we also failed a pump in-truck and towed a trailer with it. All of the visible metal was contained in the return filter and and injectors tested like new. We also chose to have no threaded connections on the supply side due to the potential for threads to create debris.
I'm fighting with SPE to try to get them to refund my money for their cold air pipe. They altered the IAT sensor port to delete the locking feature and make the hole shallower so the sensor isn't supported as well as the stock part. So I wasn't able to install the pipe, but they're refusing the return because I assembled the upper end to the intake. Totally bogus, and I'll never get anything from SPE again.
I just ordered the S&S DPK. If my CP4 ever goes bad I'll get the DCR.
So sorry, frustrating when you work hard and come up with something great this happens. I’ll go online and review all the knockoffs as 1 star JUNK!
The child that assembled this lol!!
did you happen to have a chinese company cnc your parts? if so thats how they got your design.
All machine work for the S&S Disaster Prevention Kit is performed in Indiana. It's likely that one of these bottom feeders purchased our kit and sent it off to be cloned.
Must be frustrating your product has been a victim of knock offs... 🙂
*The Chinese business culture is that it is okay to cheat and lie and all problems lie with the buyer.* They figure, you bought it, it's your problem... they didn't force you... 🙂
That's a good point. If there wasn't a market for clones, they wouldn't be doing it. We're doing our best to warn the consumer, but at the end of they day "you get what you pay for," and the consequences that come with it.
Scamming Bargain Knock offs🙄👎🖕...Buy only the real thing S&S👍👌💪💯😉
Seems like you would have a defense against this by working with Amazon to identify these products and have them removed. You clearly were able to demonstrate they just copied you.
Should've cut the filters on camera....
We didn't want to bore people with a long video of us cutting the three filters apart. We're an honest company and if people choose to not take our word, then they are free to roll the dice with these knock off kits. Being an S&S customer is more than just a transaction, it's a partnership in truck performance an longevity. If someone thinks we're that dishonest, we don't want them as a partner.
Could have sped up the footage of yall cutting the filters. Your response sounds a bit condescending as if you felt attacked. I was just asking for %100 transparency.
You make a great kit however $400 for what is there certainly is a high profit product. I think they are all overpriced. The sum of all parts to me does not add up to 400 and even worse is the new pump that replaces the factory cp4. You guys could certainly make it more affordable and if you did you would probably sell more. That new pump while it is a great product is cost prohibitive at almost 2000 dollars. It seems that everything your company makes is super high dollar to the max.
We agree that the sum of parts does not add up to $400, if so we would be out of business and unable to continue to develop solutions to fuel system problems. The difference between us and the copies, is that we have invested a lot of money into the design and validation of the product. That includes fuel system testing stations, multiple test vehicles, engineering payroll, software licensing, etc. It is a high-profit product per unit, but considering what it does and what it took to design it, we feel the value is just right. Thank you for the honest feedback.
We have our government to thank for allowing this cheap stuff to enter our economy. People will learn one day to buy America quality.
This kind of duplicating by money grubbing lazy people is unconscionable companies like Amazon and Walmart and many others with substantial investments by China became what they are today in footprint and volume of sales peddling cheaper versions of better made and proven products supported by a customer base that has been slowly conditioned over decades to buy cheap instead of for quality not thinking about the fact that this cheapening mind set potentially can cost you so much more in the long run both in money spent and time wasted and usually does it’s time for the American consumer to start investing in quality that supports our country and our workers i.e. make the American middle class great again!
Great video. Proves that it’s best to spend a little more (or even a lot more) and get a quality product from a quality company. Glad I got your kit and glad @PTTWAROD made me aware of your kit.
I can also say you have great customer support and helped me out when I needed assistance.
Thank you for sharing your experience with us, and for warning Amazon shoppers!
Thanks to Arod @ ptt for showing the real world aplicacion and installing videos! You guys are great!
“The child that assembled this thing” ☠️