I sure wish that I didn't have to go looking....but, that said, this is, HANDS DOWN, one of the BEST 'how to' videos that I have ever seen...I've shared it plenty already ....and kudos on the v8 mud dobber nest.
Drew, dude, you were wearing on my OCD with that muddobbers nest🤪lol. Gotta say brother, you are the BEST mechanic I've ever seen and I mean that!!! You're very detailed and you don't miss anything. I wish there wasn't 650 miles between us, there's only one good diesel mechanic near me but he booked up like 3 months lol. Enjoying the content you're putting out Drew, Awesome stuff!!! Jay 🕊🕊🕊
EXCELLENT video! Doing a little bit of studying here. I’ll be replacing the CP4 on our 2017 F450 wrecker this week, got towed in behind our (thankfully) already CP3 converted RAM wrecker for a lack of power, then died while idling. Fuel filters are full of metal. Trying to tell my boss (a retired Ford master tech, did most of his work on 6.0s) that you can’t just replace the pump without having a repeat failure, as I’ve done this job on a couple LML Dmax trucks from my days at the dealer. Hopefully this hammers that fact home, as much as it sucks for the downtime of the truck and profit losses, it beats having to do everything a second time.
Hey i just want to say thank you for your time an effort to show us this i had mines done at ford and they was high and i was gonna try it was scared of the injector programming 😀
Very well done video on this project! Thank you. What did you see on the computer to follow this repair? I have 2012 and died on the road with no start, p0087 code. I thought cp4 for sure, pulled vca/vcv on top of cp4 and clean as a whistle no metal so I replaced it, also looked at the PCV on driver side fuel rail also clean as a whistle, replaced it as well. Only getting around 300psi actual with almost 5000 desired. Also put gauge on low side before engine mount filter and had 54psi. Not sure where to go from there. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Sounds like a cp4 failure. I have seen some fail without sending metal through the whole system. There is a good right up somewhere on the forums about it. I’ll try and find it.
So I'm getting ready to do this on my 2017. My mechanic tells me since my truck lost weight I won't need to reprogram the new injectors. Is that correct?
Hate to think about the possibility of mine going out, but at 255k I figure its bound to happen at some point. I would like to do it myself but my expertise doesn't extend far beyond repairing tractors and bigger equipment, which is typically much less complex than my 6.7. Just general ballpark if you don't mind me asking, what did this fix cost the guy? The workmanship and quality you put into your work would definitely make it worth whatever the costs associated with paying you to do it would be.
@@AutomedicGarageman dude that’s a great deal for 7500$ ik people usually pay 10k or more I have a 2013 with 161k it had the cp4 pump replaced around 75k before I owned it I only run fuel additive every fill up or every other and definitely want to do a dcr replacement one of these dayz
Amazing video! Question.. What are from not so bad to real bad scenarios of accidently putting gas in and running it till it quit, Then pumping gas out filling with diesel starting and running but now it is in limp mode. Thanks again!
Drew, I hope my 7.3L stays running forever, but IF, it shows signs of needing a "good trusted mechanic", you better have a nice place for me to bunk up in, cause I will trailer my little Piaggio scooter behind me, so I can navigate while you fix my Excursion. it is a ways from Tulsa, OK ... but...
After doing any amount of research on Bosch CP4 high pressure fuel pumps why would anyone buy a vehicle with one? Why does Ford continue to use it? Both GM and RAM no longer use a CP4. GM quit using a CP4 in 2017 and switched to a Denso HP4. RAM went to a CP4 in 2019 and 2020 and after mass failures are now recalling those trucks and switching back to a CP3. Do truck buyers blindly purchase without any research? I don't understand. Ford is great if you make money fixing the garbage they make.
The 6.7 PSD was designed around that cp4. Nothing else will fit in the valley of the 6.7 but the cp4. That’s why you can’t use a cp3. I have a lot of 6.7s come in with 300k+ miles on original pump. There is another option now which is the new DCR pump.
@@AutomedicGarage I understand the space limitations of the 6.7's valley and non available space for a different pump. My question to Ford (they won't answer it) is why did it take the aftermarket to manufacture a replacement pump? Why did Ford Motor Company not do it? Would that admit fault on their part? I am a retired mechanic with 35 years on the job and your video is excellent and I'm sure will help many unfortunate enough to own a 6.7 with this issue. Thanks for responding I appreciate you and the information you kindly provide.
I'm one of those who has 340K on a CP4. I put an SPE disaster prevention kit on at about 90K when i made some improvements that reduced vehicle weight and created more space in the engine bay, just for the peace of mind.
my 2015 f250 needs this done to it, CP4 blew out about 2 months ago w/280K (yeah I drive a lot--DFw to Houston to Austin at least once a week sometimes twice). Luckily, I have my previous truck-2011 Ram 6.7 for back up. I am wanting to do the DCR and new rails/ injectors/lines etc, but I am wondering why it is necessary to drop the tank and clean it? with a new lift pump and the disaster prevention kit and both of the new stock filters, how would any of that glitter make it past those three filtration points? Also, with 280k, should I also replace the turbo coolant fittings or possibly the turbo too? I would hate to have to go back in there within the next couple of years for something I could have done easily while in there.....
What’s your honest opinion on the disaster kit? Maybe I’m wrong but I just don’t see how a filter can stop all that debris pushing at 29k psi. Maybe it will but I’m a little skeptical. Obviously if the DCR is as good as they say it is this is the best solution. Let me know your thoughts. By the way that was an extremely good video on the process. Very thorough and the best I’ve seen on UA-cam.
I like autoenginuity(what I use)but I will try out the cheap one I just tried out on a 6.0 and made a video on it. It worked great on the older trucks so I’ll make one on the newer ones.
What programming software do you guys use? I have this very issue on a truck right now and would like to get software that will work on my IPAD Pro. Any thoughts?
Customer had bought the complete fuel contamination kit already and had already purchased the S&S disaster prevention kit, I tried my best to talk him into the DCR but he said no. I agree it’s the better option going with the DCR but not my truck or my money. Thanks for watching.
Can you give a recommendation I have f250 6.7 2013 Code p0088 message power engine reduced I have replaced fuel rail ,fuel regulator, and 2 fuel sensors but still with the same problem please give an advice
How much do diesel mechanics normally charge for a repair like this? Im thinking I might need to do the same thing. I have a 2012 F-250 6.7L 300,000 Miles and it’s now doing the same thing. Crank no Start. Replaced both batteries and starter and nothing. Any idea on typically how much one would charge for parts and labor?
@@Ceja-gc5hw I charge $3500 labor which is cheap compared to most. Contamination kit is around 5k add around $1200 to upgrade to DCR pump which I highly recommend. Ford is anywhere from 10-14k for this same repair and I can’t explain why people get different prices from different dealerships cause the book time is the same regardless.
@@AutomedicGarage do you guys recommend I install a new contamination kit and DCR kit if my CP4 failed and there were metal shavings in my bottom (under the cab) fuel filter? And would this new conversion. Would I need to drop the tank and clean it out and program new injectors?
@@Ceja-gc5hw same thing as if you were replacing the cp4. Do the whole system, new injectors, logs, lines, filters, fuel cooler, flush the lines and drop the tank.
How long does a job like this normally take with breaks in between lol and with out breaks in between? I have a diesel mechanic working on the fuel system right now and wondering how long it takes?
What are your thoughts on the DCR conversion from S&S? According to the tests I’ve seen even if that pump dies down the line it has the advantage of not contaminating the whole system and it performs the same as the CP4
@@AutomedicGarage Exactly. I’m a huge 6.0 guy, love working on them, love the platform in general. But the DCR coming out along with the newer steel piston motors greatly increases the likelihood I’ll own a 6.7 eventually
I had it installed Tuesday. I can tell you the truck has more pep. And it does sound different. Very pleased and I can lose the anxiety of the cp4 pump leaving me on the side of the road. I also removed the disaster prevention kit.
@@moose2345 cause he already had the contamination kit bought along with the disaster prevention kit, I tried to get him to get the dcr but he said he didnt want to spend anymore.
@@AutomedicGarage ok thanks for the reply, I have the disaster kit but just bought a DCR and going to install as preventative measure along with a 2017 turbo since I have a 14
Well, this isn't good. I've got a truck ripped apart following along with this video only to find out unless I'm blind there is no instructions on how to mark the vacuum/cp4 before pulling 😮 not good for me. Off to Google, I go. I should say it's been a wonderful video up to thus point very helpful, I'm just having a panic attack now lol
@@jamesh9770 I show in the video how to align the dimples for timing the pump. The vacuum pump does not have to be clocked at all. Just align the cogs on the vacuum pump.
I don’t understand how you can explain some thing like how to remove the high-pressure fuel pump gear, and then not show us how to do it. Because I’m hitting it with a punch and it’s not coming out.
I explained how to do it. I use a punch and a 2 lb mini sledge. Works for me. If you don’t care about the pump put a air hammer on it. I guess you didn’t think of the fact that it’s a hard angle to film while I swing a hammer at a punch or did I need to show how to swing the hammer?
I can only do what the customer wants and approves. I recommended the DCR but he already had bought the disaster prevention kit with intentions of doing it himself and realized he was in over his head and brought it to me.
Forward should pay for everybody's pump. They put a junkie pump in there. I think that we pay all that money for a vehicle and they put a s***** pump. They shouldn't about Japanese.
Motor was designed around that pump before ford,dodge or GM knew it was problematic. Problem is GM and dodge had room for other options while Ford didn’t till the DCR came out.
Why would you put the same type of pump? Then worth it darn. You should have gone with the new version. You wasted all that time you're looking for more contamination. Or do you want to have problems all your life?
If you would have paid attention and noticed I run a shop. It ain’t my truck. The customer brought his parts in and wanted them installed. I recommended a DCR pump and he said “no I’m good with that” I don’t give parts away and I can only do what the customer approves. And for what it’s worth I have a ton of customers with over 300k on their factory cp4. Is the dcr better, yes but like I said it ain’t mine. Lose the ego.
I sure wish that I didn't have to go looking....but, that said, this is, HANDS DOWN, one of the BEST 'how to' videos that I have ever seen...I've shared it plenty already ....and kudos on the v8 mud dobber nest.
Yea, I should have removed that nest sooner to avoid catching flack over it. Thanks for the compliment and watching.
I agree!! Excellent video and very informative!!
Thanks for this video! I’m doing a Decontamination kit on a 19 6.7 at my shop and this definitely gave me an edge and nice work flow
@@PETROCKTRADING good deal
Drew, dude, you were wearing on my OCD with that muddobbers nest🤪lol.
Gotta say brother, you are the BEST mechanic I've ever seen and I mean that!!! You're very detailed and you don't miss anything. I wish there wasn't 650 miles between us, there's only one good diesel mechanic near me but he booked up like 3 months lol. Enjoying the content you're putting out Drew, Awesome stuff!!! Jay 🕊🕊🕊
Thanks jay, your one of my first regulars. You’ll have to come see me one of these days.
@@AutomedicGarage most likely I will 👍👍
@@AutomedicGaragewhere are you guys located at? I need my cp4 replaced is running weak on my 2019 6.7
@@everardogomez80 Arlington tn
EXCELLENT video! Doing a little bit of studying here. I’ll be replacing the CP4 on our 2017 F450 wrecker this week, got towed in behind our (thankfully) already CP3 converted RAM wrecker for a lack of power, then died while idling. Fuel filters are full of metal. Trying to tell my boss (a retired Ford master tech, did most of his work on 6.0s) that you can’t just replace the pump without having a repeat failure, as I’ve done this job on a couple LML Dmax trucks from my days at the dealer. Hopefully this hammers that fact home, as much as it sucks for the downtime of the truck and profit losses, it beats having to do everything a second time.
Hey, did you get it done? I’m about to attempt this job as well.
Great video! Love watching an experienced tech do great work!! New subscriber!! Thanks for sharing!
Just supporting youand your family by commenting on ur videos to help you out friend! I’m happy to see y’all doing well!
Thanks sandy
Hey i just want to say thank you for your time an effort to show us this i had mines done at ford and they was high and i was gonna try it was scared of the injector programming 😀
Programming ain’t bad just gotta have a capable scanner. You could’ve done it I’m sure and found someone to program the injectors.
Great videos well explained
I can install the diesel disaster prevention kid before something like that happens on my 2015 f550 now
Thank you
Great Video, I have a friend with a 6.7 and I wrote up a document for him, to watch this video along with your suggestions to keep it clean.
Thanks for watching and sharing. Stay tuned into us.
Love the videos man. Keep em coming. Just used your 7.3 oil cooler video on a buddy’s truck this past weekend
That’s what I like to hear. Thanks for watching,
Great video, pal! I dont even have a 6.7 but i feel like i could complete this job by myself.
Thanks for watching
Awesome video man. Great detail. Ty
If you dont mind me asking, how much did that all run?
Nice job👍, just one thing I saw and I’d change… I’d have to get rid of the mud dauber nest🙂
Yea I know, it was gone in the end. Just didn’t get it in video.
Didn't know Billy Bob Thornton was working on powerstrokes these days. Haha jk great video thank you!
Very well done video on this project! Thank you. What did you see on the computer to follow this repair? I have 2012 and died on the road with no start, p0087 code. I thought cp4 for sure, pulled vca/vcv on top of cp4 and clean as a whistle no metal so I replaced it, also looked at the PCV on driver side fuel rail also clean as a whistle, replaced it as well. Only getting around 300psi actual with almost 5000 desired. Also put gauge on low side before engine mount filter and had 54psi. Not sure where to go from there.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Mine is doing the same thing
Sounds like a cp4 failure. I have seen some fail without sending metal through the whole system. There is a good right up somewhere on the forums about it. I’ll try and find it.
Was it fixed? Have same issue here
Great video 👍
Real good video
So I'm getting ready to do this on my 2017. My mechanic tells me since my truck lost weight I won't need to reprogram the new injectors. Is that correct?
Hate to think about the possibility of mine going out, but at 255k I figure its bound to happen at some point. I would like to do it myself but my expertise doesn't extend far beyond repairing tractors and bigger equipment, which is typically much less complex than my 6.7. Just general ballpark if you don't mind me asking, what did this fix cost the guy? The workmanship and quality you put into your work would definitely make it worth whatever the costs associated with paying you to do it would be.
It was around $7500 for everything
@@AutomedicGarageman dude that’s a great deal for 7500$ ik people usually pay 10k or more I have a 2013 with 161k it had the cp4 pump replaced around 75k before I owned it I only run fuel additive every fill up or every other and definitely want to do a dcr replacement one of these dayz
Amazing video! Question.. What are from not so bad to real bad scenarios of accidently putting gas in and running it till it quit, Then pumping gas out filling with diesel starting and running but now it is in limp mode. Thanks again!
Gas will ruin the cp4 fast. The fuel itself is all that lubricates it
Drew, I hope my 7.3L stays running forever, but IF, it shows signs of needing a "good trusted mechanic", you better have a nice place for me to bunk up in, cause I will trailer my little Piaggio scooter behind me, so I can navigate while you fix my Excursion. it is a ways from Tulsa, OK ... but...
Thanks John, that’s a hell of a compliment.
Great video
Thanks bud.
Tiny bit of sticky grease between that copper washer and the bottom of the injector keeps that washer stuck on and not falling sideways to the bottom
After doing any amount of research on Bosch CP4 high pressure fuel pumps why would anyone buy a vehicle with one? Why does Ford continue to use it? Both GM and RAM no longer use a CP4. GM quit using a CP4 in 2017 and switched to a Denso HP4. RAM went to a CP4 in 2019 and 2020 and after mass failures are now recalling those trucks and switching back to a CP3. Do truck buyers blindly purchase without any research? I don't understand. Ford is great if you make money fixing the garbage they make.
The 6.7 PSD was designed around that cp4. Nothing else will fit in the valley of the 6.7 but the cp4. That’s why you can’t use a cp3. I have a lot of 6.7s come in with 300k+ miles on original pump. There is another option now which is the new DCR pump.
@@AutomedicGarage I understand the space limitations of the 6.7's valley and non available space for a different pump. My question to Ford (they won't answer it) is why did it take the aftermarket to manufacture a replacement pump? Why did Ford Motor Company not do it? Would that admit fault on their part? I am a retired mechanic with 35 years on the job and your video is excellent and I'm sure will help many unfortunate enough to own a 6.7 with this issue. Thanks for responding I appreciate you and the information you kindly provide.
I'm one of those who has 340K on a CP4. I put an SPE disaster prevention kit on at about 90K when i made some improvements that reduced vehicle weight and created more space in the engine bay, just for the peace of mind.
@@jimm2442probably because Bosch made the pump. Just like Ford didn’t build the diesels before the 6.7.
I like how the egr coooler vanished on the example for the video.
my 2015 f250 needs this done to it, CP4 blew out about 2 months ago w/280K (yeah I drive a lot--DFw to Houston to Austin at least once a week sometimes twice). Luckily, I have my previous truck-2011 Ram 6.7 for back up. I am wanting to do the DCR and new rails/ injectors/lines etc, but I am wondering why it is necessary to drop the tank and clean it? with a new lift pump and the disaster prevention kit and both of the new stock filters, how would any of that glitter make it past those three filtration points? Also, with 280k, should I also replace the turbo coolant fittings or possibly the turbo too? I would hate to have to go back in there within the next couple of years for something I could have done easily while in there.....
My 2015 f250 just crapped out on me as well. Has about 170k miles
What’s your honest opinion on the disaster kit? Maybe I’m wrong but I just don’t see how a filter can stop all that debris pushing at 29k psi. Maybe it will but I’m a little skeptical. Obviously if the DCR is as good as they say it is this is the best solution. Let me know your thoughts. By the way that was an extremely good video on the process. Very thorough and the best I’ve seen on UA-cam.
DCR is better money spent than the disaster kit
Really good and detailed video. Thank you! What scanner do you recommend for a 2017 f550?
I like autoenginuity(what I use)but I will try out the cheap one I just tried out on a 6.0 and made a video on it. It worked great on the older trucks so I’ll make one on the newer ones.
Can you use forscan to do the flushing and injector programming?
@@matthewvannorman5667 not sure if forscan will let you command the lift pump on or program the injectors. I’ve only used autoenginuity
@@AutomedicGarage I'm currently gathering all the things im going to need to do this to my truck. Any suggestions on the computer aspect of this?
@@matthewvannorman5667 autoenginuity
What programming software do you guys use? I have this very issue on a truck right now and would like to get software that will work on my IPAD Pro. Any thoughts?
DCR pump ?
Customer had bought the complete fuel contamination kit already and had already purchased the S&S disaster prevention kit, I tried my best to talk him into the DCR but he said no. I agree it’s the better option going with the DCR but not my truck or my money. Thanks for watching.
Can you give a recommendation
I have f250 6.7 2013
Code p0088 message power engine reduced
I have replaced fuel rail ,fuel regulator, and 2 fuel sensors but still with the same problem please give an advice
Looks like that high press pump is bad time for a new 1
Is it necessary to program the flow rates on the injectors? I have to do a whole new system on my 2027 f350.
@@ballacii I’m assuming you mean 2017. Yes flow rates matter, each injector is different and the pcm needs to see what the new injector flows
How much do diesel mechanics normally charge for a repair like this? Im thinking I might need to do the same thing. I have a 2012 F-250 6.7L 300,000 Miles and it’s now doing the same thing. Crank no Start. Replaced both batteries and starter and nothing. Any idea on typically how much one would charge for parts and labor?
@@Ceja-gc5hw I charge $3500 labor which is cheap compared to most. Contamination kit is around 5k add around $1200 to upgrade to DCR pump which I highly recommend. Ford is anywhere from 10-14k for this same repair and I can’t explain why people get different prices from different dealerships cause the book time is the same regardless.
@@AutomedicGarage do you guys recommend I install a new contamination kit and DCR kit if my CP4 failed and there were metal shavings in my bottom (under the cab) fuel filter? And would this new conversion. Would I need to drop the tank and clean it out and program new injectors?
@@Ceja-gc5hw same thing as if you were replacing the cp4. Do the whole system, new injectors, logs, lines, filters, fuel cooler, flush the lines and drop the tank.
@@AutomedicGarage Ok thank you.
How long does a job like this normally take with breaks in between lol and with out breaks in between? I have a diesel mechanic working on the fuel system right now and wondering how long it takes?
Did you replace the injector-to-rocker cover seals?
Negative
No fuel cooler?
@@FlatwoodsDairyLLC no I replaced it. Always do. Ford doesn’t
What’s with that mud dauber nest by the driver’s side exhaust manifold?
I know, I know, I removed it and should have before I even made the video. I’ve gotta more comments over that than anything
I’ve got a DCR and a 2017 if you need a truck for a video. Let me know! Cp4 just went out with no disaster kit so it’s completely trashed.
Give me a call
How does the fuel filter look? Dirty with rusty water?
It didn’t look bad. Normal. I didn’t see any fuel contamination.
❤️
What are your thoughts on the DCR conversion from S&S? According to the tests I’ve seen even if that pump dies down the line it has the advantage of not contaminating the whole system and it performs the same as the CP4
I’m on the same page with you, I want to get my hands on one. I like it.
@@AutomedicGarage Exactly. I’m a huge 6.0 guy, love working on them, love the platform in general. But the DCR coming out along with the newer steel piston motors greatly increases the likelihood I’ll own a 6.7 eventually
I have it going in on Tuesday. PTT Arod is installing it. Im pretty geeked to have it on my F250 2020 Platinum. It will be a good day!
Getting one put on mine.
I had it installed Tuesday. I can tell you the truck has more pep. And it does sound different. Very pleased and I can lose the anxiety of the cp4 pump leaving me on the side of the road. I also removed the disaster prevention kit.
how do you feel about cheaper fuel systems vs the ford one
Nope. Motorcraft or dcr
dcr has a whole kit as well if so where can you find it at@@AutomedicGarage
Perhaps a little Marvel Mystery Oil into the tank everytime you fill up.
Marvel mystery oil has been disproved more than once, it’s basically transmission fluid.
I did not know that. PK, how about a little ATF in the tank with a fill up🙂
No dirt dobbers were harmed in the making of this video 😅.
No sir
Where do you get the disaster kit
Ford or full force diesel
Why wouldent the customer instead of putting another cp4 in it go with a DCR
@@moose2345 cause he already had the contamination kit bought along with the disaster prevention kit, I tried to get him to get the dcr but he said he didnt want to spend anymore.
@@AutomedicGarage ok thanks for the reply, I have the disaster kit but just bought a DCR and going to install as preventative measure along with a 2017 turbo since I have a 14
Well, this isn't good. I've got a truck ripped apart following along with this video only to find out unless I'm blind there is no instructions on how to mark the vacuum/cp4 before pulling 😮 not good for me. Off to Google, I go.
I should say it's been a wonderful video up to thus point very helpful, I'm just having a panic attack now lol
@@jamesh9770 I show in the video how to align the dimples for timing the pump. The vacuum pump does not have to be clocked at all. Just align the cogs on the vacuum pump.
@AutomedicGarage thanks! Wonderful video! Very helpful. Thanks for the reply, as well as the videos I recently found your channel, it is very helpful.
Hey brother, where u located?
Arlington, Tn
I don’t understand how you can explain some thing like how to remove the high-pressure fuel pump gear, and then not show us how to do it. Because I’m hitting it with a punch and it’s not coming out.
I explained how to do it. I use a punch and a 2 lb mini sledge. Works for me. If you don’t care about the pump put a air hammer on it. I guess you didn’t think of the fact that it’s a hard angle to film while I swing a hammer at a punch or did I need to show how to swing the hammer?
I would of put a S&S DCR pump not the OEM one that’s prone to fail
I can only do what the customer wants and approves. I recommended the DCR but he already had bought the disaster prevention kit with intentions of doing it himself and realized he was in over his head and brought it to me.
My CP4 has not failed I am ordering my DCR on Monday great video on installation little bit of money now save Thousands if it fails 👍
Forward should pay for everybody's pump. They put a junkie pump in there. I think that we pay all that money for a vehicle and they put a s***** pump. They shouldn't about Japanese.
Motor was designed around that pump before ford,dodge or GM knew it was problematic. Problem is GM and dodge had room for other options while Ford didn’t till the DCR came out.
Why would you put the same type of pump? Then worth it darn. You should have gone with the new version. You wasted all that time you're looking for more contamination. Or do you want to have problems all your life?
If you would have paid attention and noticed I run a shop. It ain’t my truck. The customer brought his parts in and wanted them installed. I recommended a DCR pump and he said “no I’m good with that” I don’t give parts away and I can only do what the customer approves. And for what it’s worth I have a ton of customers with over 300k on their factory cp4. Is the dcr better, yes but like I said it ain’t mine. Lose the ego.