I'm so used to elden ring analysis videos going super in-depth, and this is one of those vids that just makes sense. The timing you presented is clear. Miquella abandoned the Golden Order way before The Shattering, Radhan stops the movement of the stars, and Malenia was sent to kill Radhan the same way Blaidd was sent by Ranni.
The answer was really right there in something we've all heard dozens of times: "I am Melania, BLADE OF MIQUELLA"-- to be someone's blade is akin to being their "weapon" or "tool"-- him sending her to kill Radahn makes TOO much sense!
had this thought for a while but.. maybe its to do with their relationship in being twins. maybe Melania was grandfathered in as the shadow? makes the implications of betrayal deeper as well, since we've only ever seen shadows getting betrayed (Maliketh, blaidd)
I don't know, I think Ranni's fingers were stuck underground already. If you look at the crater they are in, there's a couple turns and instead of a hole straight down it plateaues out flat. I think a separate meteor also opened up the crater where her fingers are.
Amber starlight looks a lot like those golden strands Marika was pulling out of Godskin Swaddling Cloth in the trailer. Grace, Gold and Fate could be interconnected concepts here, if not the same thing.
I think another reason Radahn was necessary for Miquella to kill was because his Eclipse plan failed because of the non moving stars. Radahn frozen all of Miquellas plans in place
I could use some help getting back on board with this theory. I used to fw it hard but I changed my mind recently which means either; I identified a flaw & understand astronomy better than most people who support this eclipse theory (not impossible but unlikely) or, I have made a pretty silly error in my comprehension of the dynamic at play and could use a corrective opinion (quite possible and much more likely). To summarize my thought process; > Radahn holds the stars still, in stasis. > The "Sun" is a star {Both Earth's Sol & in game above The Lands Between} > There are two main distinct types of Eclipse, Lunar & Solar. > The moon is not a star. While I do not know what The Lands Between's ecliptic plane of orbit is mapped to be, most people don't know what an ecliptic plane even is, there will be deviations from Earth's solar perspective but this difference won't prevent an Eclipse in any capacity, the alignment may shorten the window of totality at worst. Also, keep in mind how solar bodies move throughout galactic orbit & how gravity fucking works. We orbit our primary, the sun, which then orbits its primary. Since you started reading this, not only has our sun moved hundreds of thousands of miles but we went along with it. If we magically countered gravity and stopped our Sun's movement without our planet flying out of orbit you wouldn't notice any difference visually, without being shown lol. Alright so, difference in Solar Alignment is irrelevant. The movement of the stars & "Sun" irrelevant. Radahn's control on the eclipse, seeming p irrelevant. You can stop reading now, I'm only going to take the time to fully wrap up since I went in fuckin raw. Lunar: Irrespective if Miquella was looking to cause a total, partial or penumbral Lunar Eclipse, this doesn't involve repositioning the Sun. I'll stop yapping, u need the planet in-between the sun and moon ( S ) ( p ) (L) The sunrays Lunar body needs to reach posterior the planet, if the size of the Moon is too large in game & the distance of the sun too far as to allow an umbra sufficient for Miquella's hypothetical then the distance between the Sun and the planet must be decreased, and that's also not because the stars are fucking on timeout lol. If anything that would likely make it easier for a fictional magic wielding wunderkind. I don't have a reason to expect Miquella or Ranni can move planets but they can't just have Radahn release his hold so the Sun starts to move a little closer to TLB, since gravity of the Sun would propel TLB away proportionate to the distance moved lmao. Solar: It's the same for a solar as well, the moon needs to orbit into a lunar node that provides occlusion of the sunrays shining on the planet. These moons are fucking huge relative, Ranni will need to move that bitch waay distal until it doesn't appear to dwarf the sun 10² times over. If the sun is frozen in place or moving as usual, it makes no difference. The RELATIVE distance and perspective must change. I hope that makes sense, for my sake lol. I wrote this directed at myself so the attitude is not directed at anyone reading this and I don't wanna change anyones opinion, I'm hoping to either change mine or be corrected if I'm wrong.
The issue of interpretation in a fantasy world is that you will often drag your understanding of OUR world into it. If holding the stars holds time and fate, anyone looking to defy their fate would need to beat Radhan to continue or change it, assumably. Fingers exist in multiple areas including the Roundtable Hold, so I don’t think Ranni’s fingers were just there. Keep in mind they most definitely didn’t explain EVERYTHING when making the game as there isn’t any need to do so. Sometimes it’s essentially a game mechanic and other times they can just leave it vague knowing full well people can fill in the blanks themselves. There have always been blanks and there always will, but it is a lot of fun trying to fill in those gaps with our own canon.
Great analysis, as always! Some additional details to add to this theory: 1. The color amber, or the amber stone literally, has been tied to Miquella in several ways. The Miquellan Knight Sword is described to be forged in similar fashion to the Carian Knights sword, but instead of glintstone uses a piece of amber from the Haligtree. It seems that the amber is not only a symbol but a real material physically produced by the Haligtree, an essence created from miquella's own lifeblood. Similarly, Loretta who guards the Haligtree has a shield forged in silver but decorated with amber, representing her allegiance to both the albinaurics and Miquella 2. With 1 in mind one may realize the overall color scheme of the Haligtree area is very much amber like. At first I thought it was to represent a sunset color as it symbolizes the final strive of the golden age, but the association with amber makes a lot more sense here. 3. The item image of the amber starlight looks very much like fragments of insect wings. This is perhaps symbolizing, similar to the real-world phenomena where insects are trapped in natural-formed amber, Miquella was once trapped by his fate, which he has chosen to cast aside. The insect wings visual also invokes the image of butterflies or similar insects reborn out of a cocoon, which seems to be what Miquella originally planned to do at the roots of the Haligtree. Hard to say yet if the cocoon-reborn aspect was part of the fate he has abandoned, or part of the new fate he is trying to forge. One wrinkle to this however is I have trouble rationalizing the ember egg held by queen Renalla, and whether the unborn somehow has a connection to Miquella. I would rather prefer they are not the same person otherwise things would get really weird from here! :)
Of course! It was there from the very start, but everyone forgot! The Amber Starlight. It’s explicit, and literally left out in the open for us. Haha. Very cool.
Ranni's twofingers were actually always there since she was born. The whole cathedral is built for it, it's called Manus Celes which means Heavenly Hand, so the carians pretty much built it for the Twofingers, since it chose Ranni as an Empyrean. Nice video, top tier knowledge and work here!
It all makes sense - I haven’t heard the theory of the falling stars but the way it ties in with Radahn just makes sense. And ans the previous posters have said - the timing anll fits perfectly. Top effort as usual.
You are very intelligent to break this lore down, not only break it down but to make it simple and easy to understand, thanks man Also, I do hope we can fight Godwyn to put him to rest
Good catch. I now regret having traded it to Selivus for the magic scropion talisman... Cause wouldn't be surprised if having it would unlock some dialogue with Miquella or someone else. Like how the forgetting potion from the Rya's quest can be used in the Goldmask quest.
Lots of theorists come up with stuff that only makes sense if you ignore all the contradicting evidence, but you always surprise me with how well based your theories are even though they are not tame at all, great job.
I have a theory that Miquella's attempt at creating an eclipse to ressurect Godwyn failed at least in part due to Marika's veiling of the Land of Shadow, and that his goal when entering the Land of Shadow is to lift that veil. It's not entirely clear, but there seems to be at least some theoretical thematic connection between the LoS and spirits or the afterlife, so maybe Godwyn's spirit is trapped within the LoS somehow and reconnecting it with the Lands Between is what would allow Godwyn to be ressurected (and possible be the final boss of the DLC, so that we can give him a "true death" like Miquella wants).
This is a nice and lines up things I was thinking about, namely St. Trina being a part of his fate and that having relation to Radagon being a part of Marika. I do like the idea Malenia was determined to kill Radahn because Miquella knew his fate was bound by the stars. It is interesting to know Jerren was certain "The festival of Radahn will surely set Ranni's fate into motion." It almost made me wonder if he learned that from someone related to the Miquella or Malenia. Though, Iji states "The fate of the Carian royal family is guided by the stars. As is the fate of Lady Ranni, first heir in the Carian royal line." That almost feels like it's the Carian Royals specifically, but perhaps the Carian's are simply those who looked to the stars, where everyone's fate is stored, thus it guides them. If the Carian's were aware of how the stars guide them, I suppose it makes sense for the intellectually complimented Miquella to discover the same.
There must be significance to the area that Amber Starlight is found in and this theory makes a lot of sense. I'm not sure if there's any inherent connection between St. Trina and the Puppets, but perhaps Seluvis' draught doesn't work on Ranni simply because you can't just mix-and-match fates from one Demigod to another? I think there will be a side-quest we have to complete to gain access to the Land of Shadow after we defeat Radahn and Mohg; I wouldn't be surprised if "St. Trina's Hideaway" is a location we have to go to as part of it.
This also explains Ranni getting stuck since Ranni started her journey on the night of black knifes she too would've been caught in limbo when Radahn held the stars. My boy put everyone on pause seemingly accidently.
Excellent, excellent video! Very insightful and well-thought; brilliant. Just going to clarify a disagreement: I don't believe Ranni's Fingers being stuck in the sky and crashing is plausible. Stars are a different sort of creature: the gravity meteor bulls are an example (always found near a crater). Stars too are great enemy bosses that we know as Astels. And indeed, we find an Astel in the city of Nokron. Once the way is opened, the Fingers are either summoned by Ranni, have already been imprisoned in the subterranean space or have gone into hiding there. Though I'm not sure why she needs to kill them. As far as she is concerned, she is no longer controlled by the Fingers after she escaped her Empyrean body. The only thing I make sense of it is that Ranni's Two Fingers could spoil her plans by consulting the Greater Will of her scheme to overthrow its Order in lieu of the Moon's.
I believe discarding her body is only a step but she still needs to kill her 2 fingers to finish the process. Thanks a lot for the kind words and insightful comment ❤️
The way my jaw dropped when I realized by your words that THIS is the reason we also have to kill Radhan in order to access the expansion before you said it. This blew my mind, it makes a lot of sense 🤯
Don't forget about all the small land octopus in that particular place in Atlus. St. Trina torch shows her with something similar to that helm you obtain from them. Also I think that Miquella abandoning everything as a last resort to escape Mogh's influence.
I think the land octopuses are only there because of Miquella's blood. The Octopus Ovary item description says: "Land octopuses eat humans in order to bear young, and theirs is the blood that runs through these ovaries."
i had come up with the concept that 'abandoning his fate' meant that he seperated himself permanently from st.trina removing any chance of being able to become an emperyean himself due to the nature of how it seems emperyeans are ONLY female meaning for him, a male to seperate himself from the other personality within himself that was st.trina, a female, meant that he was removing that possibility all together. beyond that i do believe that melina is st.trina and this is why we meet her and she leads us through the lands between and do believe that it was miquella who granted us the guidance of gold instead of the erdtree and did their best to lead us to the path to becoming elden lord to set the lands between right
It's around the stormcaller church and the bridge of the capital, descriping the place location without the map is super hard but you can search amber starlight location and you will find the location on map.
I like your theories on the amber starlight. I'm pretty sure Ranni is using the finger slaying blade to murder the two fingers. And that's where we find her is at a murder sight where she killed one of the two fingers hiding underground there
The amber starlight shard, and the amber draught Seluvis creates from it, had been bugging me since I first started playing the game. I knew the amber draught would not work on Ranni, and so the item just sat there in the inventory, purposeless. The only other purposeless item we collect that I can think of are glass shards. But now it seems the amber draught has a purpose after all. Maybe the amber draught can be used on Miquella in the DLC, a last resort in case he turns out to be evil after all. Since Miquella and Malenia are twins, maybe there will be some kind of quest similar to Millicent's in the main game where we have to restore something to a hostile demigod? Or maybe Miquella's expecting us to do just that? Or maybe... UGH the theories are driving me insane lmao, the DLC can't come soon enough
I really want the ending of the dlc to be the eclipse, but straight out of berserk. We are enclosed in a realm with the followers of miquella and are attacked to be sacrificed by all manor of otherworldly creatures and monstrosities that we haven’t fought in the game so far (or even better from other from software games) all the while miquella is evolving in a cocoon into the final boss, while the outer gods stand watch over us (the tremendous giant skeletons littered through the lands between, which clearly we are powerless to defeat…now)
@@mrsgamer9218 truthfully I believe that all Marikas children are just another piece of her being that she’s split from herself so I don’t believe miquella is going to save us what so ever
@@richlacerra6668 miquella broke free from his fate so he pretty much became an anomaly. He might be able to do good things so lets hope he will do it. Or else i have to take the frenzied flame ending.... again 8D
Imo, Miquella's kidnapping is sus. I think he needed Morgott for the blood needed to feed the Halig Tree. Maybe it didn't go that way, but there's a connection.
@@kaibrunnenG maybe is like the spells, each school of magic has a different seal , and so far we know what each one represents, this one, the one with the sun patern seal, represents a school of magic we know nothing about, perhaps is "Miquella's fate" aka St Trina's "school of magic"
I just realized that Mogh may have wanted to abduct Miquella because he knew that the young demigod had “divine” blood he could use to create his dynasty. Like make it flourish from the blood of Miquella.
This makes me wonder though, why did Radahn stop the stars in the first place? I remember theories saying it was to prevent Caelid from getting hit by a meteorite but why didnt that meteorite destroy Caelid after killing Radahn? Did the meteorite change its trajectory to Nokron and thus changing Caelids fate? Or did Radahn have other reasons?
Zayf the Scholar just made a good video about this topic recently: "The REAL reason Radahn Stopped the Stars - Elden Ring Lore Theory & Speculation" I don't want to spoil his video of course, but the theory presented in it did convince me. I still think part of the reason he did is to save Sellia though.
My question, if Miquella has already abandoned his fate as the story trailer told us how does Radahn holding the stars back make sense or affect him? My answer: We don't kill Radahn for Miquella, we kill him for Trina. By killing Radahn, we're letting Trina free and able to act again even if she might not be part of Miquella anymore. Another note, regular Starlight's description ties it to Eternal Cities by saying that these draughts that use Starlight were originally used there.
I like the theory to be honest but I have one problem with it "The Red Lion General wielded gravitational powers which he learned in Sellia during his younger days. All so he would never have to abandon his beloved but scrawny steed." It says exeplecitly that this happened in his younger age
You got a point yes but tbh the word "younger" is very ambiguous. I mean someone in his 30's would refer to his 20's as his "younger days" while it's not really that far away. Now i could be wrong and he learned gravity magic before the shattering but it's worth noting that a huge amount of time have passed between the shattering and our arrival to the lands between that's why I mention our real life example, the word "younger" days could just be referring to the time of the shattering.
One thing I wanted to point out is that although Placidusax heads have different genders in the game files, Placidusax is never referred to as a God but rather the Elden Lord of someone who was a God but fled. Great work regardless!
Indeed you are right but tbh Placidusax is very mysterious, he has a dual gender and i am 90% positive he is the only being that use the golden fire of the elden beast as an attack which is quite weird isn't it ? Hope we get more of Placidusax/ancient dragons backstory in shadow of the Erdtree.
@@G4meplus Yes I believe Placidusax and the ancient dragons have more importance than we are giving them credit for. The association with storms, the hawks all over farum azula, the prevalence of serpents everywhere which seem to be tied to dragons, the dragon attack on Leyndell, Elden Beast looking like a cosmic dragon, Radagon being an anagram for "a dragon" (Marika is Radagon/Marika is a dragon??) Idk I'm reaching here but I think Marika/Radagon and Placidusax may be intimately connected somehow, maybe having something to do with the missing heads? I guess we'll see!
Hai I like your theory but I wanted to share my interpretation. I saw it as Miquella had to divest himself of his fate in order to reach the Shadow realm.
I still want to know why all the great runes are activated at dead fingers. Why are there fingers at the top of the divine tower if they are only for empyreans.
I personally don’t believe they’re for Empyreans. It’s for any and all descendants of Marika, and act as a conduit for communion. When it comes to empyreans, I think each Fingers have specific authority to control the fate of their demigod.
It's not really stated that they are only for empyreans, it seems anyone who can become a lord or a god has his own 2 fingers even the tarnished (roundtable hold) what indicates this even more is that you only get to meet your 2 fingers after acquiring a great rune (this proves you can indeed become a lord therefore you get your own 2 fingers)
Never knew the Dual Sex of Placidusax! What a wild discovery. This leads me to question Godfrey’s dual “sex”. It seems as though, with Godfrey it’s more of a dual nature, with Hourah Loux and his rage. Would love to hear anyone’s thoughts on that. 💜
I think Godfrey and Hoarah Loux didn't have to contain a male and female aspect because they're "just" the Elden Lord, not the actual God. Placidusax might have contained the Elden Ring/Elden Beast (or whatever else his God was) inside his body before it abandoned him, just like how Marika and Radagon do. Still, duality has a strong presence in Elden Ring and the "First Elden Lord" is another example of that!
I think the shards are connected to the fate of Ranni and not miquella. Ranni goes into slumber and is protected by wolves and she also had several followers that were loyal to her. The demigod that Seluvus mentioned could be Ranni. Her fate is guided by stars and the moon.
Don't think so tbh, if this was the case then Seluvis would've specified it belong to her since she is the subject of the scheme anyways. Also the other environmental clues are really strong hint to Miquella.
@@G4meplus The area with the most shards in the entire game are all over the place where Rannis quest ends. They are probably fragments from when the fingers landed in a meteor.
@@G4meplus I didn’t not realize there was a different shard, you are right! I thought the shard Seluvus mentioned was the starlight ones. But yes, there’s clearly a unique one in front of a miquella statue!
Other then the ranni ending, who is our consort when we become elden lord in the other endings, also why does marika/radagon attack you and then the elden beast. Ive just forgotten
Radagon wanted to keep the golden order from collapsing therefore he needs to stop you while the Elden beast in my opinion is just a defence mechanism. The greater will wanted only the strongest to acquire the elden ring so the elden beast attacks you, if you can defeat it then you are worthy and as Godfrey said " a crown is warranted by strength".
On Malenia and Radhan's fight scene after she stabbed him she spoke something in his ear (you can see her lips moving), and then pierced herself to break the needle, possibly infecting Radhan with her blood before she bloomed into the scarlet flower. I don't believe she was trying to kill him and what that scene is depicting is the moment she intentionally influenced him to stop the fate of the stars in favor of Miquella's plans (or it could be to purposefully affect Ranni's fate as well, so she wouldn't be able to achieve her goals - maybe both). But I don't believe Radhan did it intentionally since his motivations for learning gravity magic was solely to ride his horse. Now with the DLC story trailer we can speculate that a bunch of the original game's history after the shattering was probably influenced by Miquella, as he never intended to fulfill his fate. Maybe he wasn't ready to leave the cocoon yet and that's why the stars had to be placed in stasis, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to discard his destiny as he did. Like you said, Ranni had to go thought multiple steps to reach her goals and couldn't have done it without us, the chosed tarnished. So Miquella probably had to wait for his champion as well to move forward with his plans - torrent chose us after all, as acknowledged by Ranni as well. So the tarnished is the catalyst. Just like Ranni, Miquella is in pursuit of something even greater than godhood over the lands between outside the influence of the fingers.
This makes so much sense. I only disagree with you calling Ranni's fingers 2 fingers. I'm firmly on the camp of the 3 fingers theory. This is the first video I'm seeing from you, so I'm going to look around to see what other theories you have :D
Ziostorm stole your theory without referencing you in his video "NEW Secrets Found in the Elden Ring DLC Story Trailer!". he copied everything you said here
I’ve got a frenzied theory so imma just dump it here. Radagon and Rennala had a fourth child, but that child died at birth (or was aborted) and this is why Radagon divorced her. I believe in the fourth child’s existence because: 1. Rykard designed the Abductor Virgins, who have a woman’s face which weeps black tears onto a gray baby. The Abductor Virgins are purposed to fight Golden Order soldiers, so, Rykard must be reminding his enemies of why he is fighting. Perhaps the Abductor Virgins’ designs are symbolising his sibling’s death (the gray baby), which split his family apart (the weeping face / mother). 2. Rennala’s great rune is called “Rune of the Unborn.” It doesn’t get much more obvious than that. 3. Rennala makes artificial children even before she fights us; they’re not soldiers. We know they’re designed as Rennala’s children because they look up at her whilst singing, “by my mother’s calling.” She just makes children in her spare time… like she’s trying to replace something? 4. Renalla calls her artificial children “sweetings.” She also refers to sweetings in her NPC dialogue, which quotes, “where did ye flee my sweetings.” Interestingly, the word “ye” means “you [in referral to multiple people]” in old English. So, Rennala may be referring to how all of her children left her. This would be reinforcing a theme of child-loss. 5. Two visuals which bolster this theory vastly: Rennala sits in an EMPTY CRADLE and literally turns her artificial children into TOMBSTONES. Birth and death within minutes… Hm… Just like a child who dies after birth. 6. Finally, the amber Rennala holds (which might be who she is calling “sweetings,” by the way) is not the only notable amber in the game. The Starlight Amber’s description reads, “the stars command our fates… amber-hued stars must command the fates of the gods.” The Starlight Amber controls a Demi-god’s fate by literally freezing it, so, is this what the amber represents for Rennala: her fourth child’s fate to die at birth? Anyway, if this is true (which seems REALLY likely), Rennala’s fourth child has massive lore implications. For example, the child would’ve been a Demi-god because it was born from Marika’s body. However, it died and Demi-gods immortality was a defining feature of the Age of The Erdtree. You could even assume this Demi-god child’s death is what convinced Queen Marika the Eternal of her eternal empire’s mortality: all things die eventually, even gods: “Destined Death.” Could this be the first step to her reason leading to her shattering the Elden Ring? We can’t be sure, but it’s my head-canon now until proven wrong.
If you casually discard astrology, then you still don't understand Elden Ring. The DLC is being released on Summer Solstice Day this year. Why do you think that is(The 21st in the states is actually the 20th in Japan).
I appreciate your lore takes, you have the most interesting thought process compared to the other channels
Thanks a lot my friend, really appreciated ❤️
I'm so used to elden ring analysis videos going super in-depth, and this is one of those vids that just makes sense. The timing you presented is clear. Miquella abandoned the Golden Order way before The Shattering, Radhan stops the movement of the stars, and Malenia was sent to kill Radhan the same way Blaidd was sent by Ranni.
The answer was really right there in something we've all heard dozens of times: "I am Melania, BLADE OF MIQUELLA"-- to be someone's blade is akin to being their "weapon" or "tool"-- him sending her to kill Radahn makes TOO much sense!
and it makes you wonder why they don't have shadows of their own ??
had this thought for a while but.. maybe its to do with their relationship in being twins. maybe Melania was grandfathered in as the shadow? makes the implications of betrayal deeper as well, since we've only ever seen shadows getting betrayed (Maliketh, blaidd)
I don't know, I think Ranni's fingers were stuck underground already. If you look at the crater they are in, there's a couple turns and instead of a hole straight down it plateaues out flat. I think a separate meteor also opened up the crater where her fingers are.
That's a good theory too, nice job.
After the Finger reichen the earth they started digging to escape Ranni they knew she was coming and got to parts broken from that.
Maybe the cavern was already there and the meteor just opened a way to it.
Maybe they were deep underground as a way to pull her attention away from the stars
Radahn casually holds the lore, the plot, the fate of the Elden Ring and even its DLC. Real Chad!
Amber starlight looks a lot like those golden strands Marika was pulling out of Godskin Swaddling Cloth in the trailer. Grace, Gold and Fate could be interconnected concepts here, if not the same thing.
Interesting take, honestly i think it looks more like the Elden beast wound !
I think another reason Radahn was necessary for Miquella to kill was because his Eclipse plan failed because of the non moving stars. Radahn frozen all of Miquellas plans in place
I could use some help getting back on board with this theory. I used to fw it hard but I changed my mind recently which means either; I identified a flaw & understand astronomy better than most people who support this eclipse theory (not impossible but unlikely) or, I have made a pretty silly error in my comprehension of the dynamic at play and could use a corrective opinion (quite possible and much more likely).
To summarize my thought process;
> Radahn holds the stars still, in stasis.
> The "Sun" is a star {Both Earth's Sol & in game above The Lands Between}
> There are two main distinct types of Eclipse, Lunar & Solar.
> The moon is not a star.
While I do not know what The Lands Between's ecliptic plane of orbit is mapped to be, most people don't know what an ecliptic plane even is, there will be deviations from Earth's solar perspective but this difference won't prevent an Eclipse in any capacity, the alignment may shorten the window of totality at worst.
Also, keep in mind how solar bodies move throughout galactic orbit & how gravity fucking works. We orbit our primary, the sun, which then orbits its primary. Since you started reading this, not only has our sun moved hundreds of thousands of miles but we went along with it. If we magically countered gravity and stopped our Sun's movement without our planet flying out of orbit you wouldn't notice any difference visually, without being shown lol.
Alright so, difference in Solar Alignment is irrelevant. The movement of the stars & "Sun" irrelevant. Radahn's control on the eclipse, seeming p irrelevant. You can stop reading now, I'm only going to take the time to fully wrap up since I went in fuckin raw.
Lunar: Irrespective if Miquella was looking to cause a total, partial or penumbral Lunar Eclipse, this doesn't involve repositioning the Sun. I'll stop yapping, u need the planet in-between the sun and moon
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The sunrays Lunar body needs to reach posterior the planet, if the size of the Moon is too large in game & the distance of the sun too far as to allow an umbra sufficient for Miquella's hypothetical then the distance between the Sun and the planet must be decreased, and that's also not because the stars are fucking on timeout lol. If anything that would likely make it easier for a fictional magic wielding wunderkind.
I don't have a reason to expect Miquella or Ranni can move planets but they can't just have Radahn release his hold so the Sun starts to move a little closer to TLB, since gravity of the Sun would propel TLB away proportionate to the distance moved lmao.
Solar: It's the same for a solar as well, the moon needs to orbit into a lunar node that provides occlusion of the sunrays shining on the planet. These moons are fucking huge relative, Ranni will need to move that bitch waay distal until it doesn't appear to dwarf the sun 10² times over. If the sun is frozen in place or moving as usual, it makes no difference. The RELATIVE distance and perspective must change.
I hope that makes sense, for my sake lol. I wrote this directed at myself so the attitude is not directed at anyone reading this and I don't wanna change anyones opinion, I'm hoping to either change mine or be corrected if I'm wrong.
Now THIS makes sense!!!! Awesome video mate!
Glad you liked it ❤️
The issue of interpretation in a fantasy world is that you will often drag your understanding of OUR world into it.
If holding the stars holds time and fate, anyone looking to defy their fate would need to beat Radhan to continue or change it, assumably.
Fingers exist in multiple areas including the Roundtable Hold, so I don’t think Ranni’s fingers were just there.
Keep in mind they most definitely didn’t explain EVERYTHING when making the game as there isn’t any need to do so.
Sometimes it’s essentially a game mechanic and other times they can just leave it vague knowing full well people can fill in the blanks themselves. There have always been blanks and there always will, but it is a lot of fun trying to fill in those gaps with our own canon.
Great analysis, as always! Some additional details to add to this theory:
1. The color amber, or the amber stone literally, has been tied to Miquella in several ways. The Miquellan Knight Sword is described to be forged in similar fashion to the Carian Knights sword, but instead of glintstone uses a piece of amber from the Haligtree. It seems that the amber is not only a symbol but a real material physically produced by the Haligtree, an essence created from miquella's own lifeblood. Similarly, Loretta who guards the Haligtree has a shield forged in silver but decorated with amber, representing her allegiance to both the albinaurics and Miquella
2. With 1 in mind one may realize the overall color scheme of the Haligtree area is very much amber like. At first I thought it was to represent a sunset color as it symbolizes the final strive of the golden age, but the association with amber makes a lot more sense here.
3. The item image of the amber starlight looks very much like fragments of insect wings. This is perhaps symbolizing, similar to the real-world phenomena where insects are trapped in natural-formed amber, Miquella was once trapped by his fate, which he has chosen to cast aside. The insect wings visual also invokes the image of butterflies or similar insects reborn out of a cocoon, which seems to be what Miquella originally planned to do at the roots of the Haligtree. Hard to say yet if the cocoon-reborn aspect was part of the fate he has abandoned, or part of the new fate he is trying to forge.
One wrinkle to this however is I have trouble rationalizing the ember egg held by queen Renalla, and whether the unborn somehow has a connection to Miquella. I would rather prefer they are not the same person otherwise things would get really weird from here! :)
Man the third point blow my mind!
Amazing analysis.
Of course! It was there from the very start, but everyone forgot! The Amber Starlight. It’s explicit, and literally left out in the open for us. Haha. Very cool.
Ranni's twofingers were actually always there since she was born. The whole cathedral is built for it, it's called Manus Celes which means Heavenly Hand, so the carians pretty much built it for the Twofingers, since it chose Ranni as an Empyrean.
Nice video, top tier knowledge and work here!
It all makes sense - I haven’t heard the theory of the falling stars but the way it ties in with Radahn just makes sense. And ans the previous posters have said - the timing anll fits perfectly.
Top effort as usual.
Thanks a lot my friend, glad you liked it ❤️
You are very intelligent to break this lore down, not only break it down but to make it simple and easy to understand, thanks man
Also, I do hope we can fight Godwyn to put him to rest
This makes complete sense, love your videos brotha. IMO this hits the nail on the head with receipts and all 🤌🏾. Thank you for your videos 🙏🏾
Good catch.
I now regret having traded it to Selivus for the magic scropion talisman... Cause wouldn't be surprised if having it would unlock some dialogue with Miquella or someone else.
Like how the forgetting potion from the Rya's quest can be used in the Goldmask quest.
Awesome job man, really a fine work you did there ressearching all this!
So clear, well explained and supported! Keep doing what you're doing! x
Lots of theorists come up with stuff that only makes sense if you ignore all the contradicting evidence, but you always surprise me with how well based your theories are even though they are not tame at all, great job.
I have a theory that Miquella's attempt at creating an eclipse to ressurect Godwyn failed at least in part due to Marika's veiling of the Land of Shadow, and that his goal when entering the Land of Shadow is to lift that veil. It's not entirely clear, but there seems to be at least some theoretical thematic connection between the LoS and spirits or the afterlife, so maybe Godwyn's spirit is trapped within the LoS somehow and reconnecting it with the Lands Between is what would allow Godwyn to be ressurected (and possible be the final boss of the DLC, so that we can give him a "true death" like Miquella wants).
Love your takes, love your accent, thanks for all your hard work!
Thanks a lot, glad you liked it ❤️
This is a nice and lines up things I was thinking about, namely St. Trina being a part of his fate and that having relation to Radagon being a part of Marika. I do like the idea Malenia was determined to kill Radahn because Miquella knew his fate was bound by the stars.
It is interesting to know Jerren was certain "The festival of Radahn will surely set Ranni's fate into motion." It almost made me wonder if he learned that from someone related to the Miquella or Malenia. Though, Iji states "The fate of the Carian royal family is guided by the stars. As is the fate of Lady Ranni, first heir in the Carian royal line." That almost feels like it's the Carian Royals specifically, but perhaps the Carian's are simply those who looked to the stars, where everyone's fate is stored, thus it guides them.
If the Carian's were aware of how the stars guide them, I suppose it makes sense for the intellectually complimented Miquella to discover the same.
At this point your the best theory channel out there.
Thank a lot my friend, really appreciated ❤️
Wow, brilliant analysis and finds. 10/10! Subbed
Welcome aboard ❤️
There must be significance to the area that Amber Starlight is found in and this theory makes a lot of sense. I'm not sure if there's any inherent connection between St. Trina and the Puppets, but perhaps Seluvis' draught doesn't work on Ranni simply because you can't just mix-and-match fates from one Demigod to another?
I think there will be a side-quest we have to complete to gain access to the Land of Shadow after we defeat Radahn and Mohg; I wouldn't be surprised if "St. Trina's Hideaway" is a location we have to go to as part of it.
This also explains Ranni getting stuck since Ranni started her journey on the night of black knifes she too would've been caught in limbo when Radahn held the stars. My boy put everyone on pause seemingly accidently.
Holy shit I am tripping balls watching this!!! These observations are next level. I haven't seen a video that makes this much sense in a long time,
Glad you enjoyed it ❤️
Excellent, excellent video! Very insightful and well-thought; brilliant.
Just going to clarify a disagreement: I don't believe Ranni's Fingers being stuck in the sky and crashing is plausible. Stars are a different sort of creature: the gravity meteor bulls are an example (always found near a crater). Stars too are great enemy bosses that we know as Astels. And indeed, we find an Astel in the city of Nokron. Once the way is opened, the Fingers are either summoned by Ranni, have already been imprisoned in the subterranean space or have gone into hiding there.
Though I'm not sure why she needs to kill them. As far as she is concerned, she is no longer controlled by the Fingers after she escaped her Empyrean body. The only thing I make sense of it is that Ranni's Two Fingers could spoil her plans by consulting the Greater Will of her scheme to overthrow its Order in lieu of the Moon's.
I believe discarding her body is only a step but she still needs to kill her 2 fingers to finish the process.
Thanks a lot for the kind words and insightful comment ❤️
The way my jaw dropped when I realized by your words that THIS is the reason we also have to kill Radhan in order to access the expansion before you said it. This blew my mind, it makes a lot of sense 🤯
Don't forget about all the small land octopus in that particular place in Atlus. St. Trina torch shows her with something similar to that helm you obtain from them.
Also I think that Miquella abandoning everything as a last resort to escape Mogh's influence.
I think the land octopuses are only there because of Miquella's blood. The Octopus Ovary item description says: "Land octopuses eat humans in order to bear young, and theirs is the blood that runs through these ovaries."
Ziostorm mentioned this as well in his recent video, super cool
cool vid as always :3
i had come up with the concept that 'abandoning his fate' meant that he seperated himself permanently from st.trina removing any chance of being able to become an emperyean himself due to the nature of how it seems emperyeans are ONLY female meaning for him, a male to seperate himself from the other personality within himself that was st.trina, a female, meant that he was removing that possibility all together. beyond that i do believe that melina is st.trina and this is why we meet her and she leads us through the lands between and do believe that it was miquella who granted us the guidance of gold instead of the erdtree and did their best to lead us to the path to becoming elden lord to set the lands between right
hello!! great video. where is the statue of malenia and miquella outside the haligtree located? thanks.
It's around the stormcaller church and the bridge of the capital, descriping the place location without the map is super hard but you can search amber starlight location and you will find the location on map.
SoTtrina is the God Miquella was supposed to become but Radahn stopped it from happening
Great video!
The sacramental bud is also used to make anti scarlet rot item
I like your theories on the amber starlight. I'm pretty sure Ranni is using the finger slaying blade to murder the two fingers. And that's where we find her is at a murder sight where she killed one of the two fingers hiding underground there
The amber starlight shard, and the amber draught Seluvis creates from it, had been bugging me since I first started playing the game. I knew the amber draught would not work on Ranni, and so the item just sat there in the inventory, purposeless. The only other purposeless item we collect that I can think of are glass shards. But now it seems the amber draught has a purpose after all. Maybe the amber draught can be used on Miquella in the DLC, a last resort in case he turns out to be evil after all. Since Miquella and Malenia are twins, maybe there will be some kind of quest similar to Millicent's in the main game where we have to restore something to a hostile demigod? Or maybe Miquella's expecting us to do just that? Or maybe... UGH the theories are driving me insane lmao, the DLC can't come soon enough
Would be a good idea to keep it in our Inventory until the DLC.
I really want the ending of the dlc to be the eclipse, but straight out of berserk. We are enclosed in a realm with the followers of miquella and are attacked to be sacrificed by all manor of otherworldly creatures and monstrosities that we haven’t fought in the game so far (or even better from other from software games) all the while miquella is evolving in a cocoon into the final boss, while the outer gods stand watch over us (the tremendous giant skeletons littered through the lands between, which clearly we are powerless to defeat…now)
Gods i hope you are completely wrong. I hope miquella will actually save us all from this mess. Let him be the grand hero.
@@mrsgamer9218 truthfully I believe that all Marikas children are just another piece of her being that she’s split from herself so I don’t believe miquella is going to save us what so ever
@@richlacerra6668 miquella broke free from his fate so he pretty much became an anomaly. He might be able to do good things so lets hope he will do it.
Or else i have to take the frenzied flame ending.... again 8D
@@WhySoSeriousSenpai .....really bro?
Imo, Miquella's kidnapping is sus. I think he needed Morgott for the blood needed to feed the Halig Tree. Maybe it didn't go that way, but there's a connection.
Yeah, they worked together from the very beginning.
Noticed the Sun pattern in the Nepheli Loux puppet? , look the background
Actually i didn't notice that, will take another look.
All puppet spirits have that background.
@@kaibrunnenG maybe is like the spells, each school of magic has a different seal , and so far we know what each one represents, this one, the one with the sun patern seal, represents a school of magic we know nothing about, perhaps is "Miquella's fate" aka St Trina's "school of magic"
@@kaibrunnenG since Seluvi's puppet ability is linked apparently to both , all summons and the amber shard , which is also linked to St Trina
Im pretty sure you are right about the amber starlight belonging to Miquella.
But I think Trina is inside the Haligtree.
I just realized that Mogh may have wanted to abduct Miquella because he knew that the young demigod had “divine” blood he could use to create his dynasty. Like make it flourish from the blood of Miquella.
This makes me wonder though, why did Radahn stop the stars in the first place? I remember theories saying it was to prevent Caelid from getting hit by a meteorite but why didnt that meteorite destroy Caelid after killing Radahn? Did the meteorite change its trajectory to Nokron and thus changing Caelids fate? Or did Radahn have other reasons?
Zayf the Scholar just made a good video about this topic recently: "The REAL reason Radahn Stopped the Stars - Elden Ring Lore Theory & Speculation"
I don't want to spoil his video of course, but the theory presented in it did convince me. I still think part of the reason he did is to save Sellia though.
You nailed this theory!
My question, if Miquella has already abandoned his fate as the story trailer told us how does Radahn holding the stars back make sense or affect him? My answer: We don't kill Radahn for Miquella, we kill him for Trina. By killing Radahn, we're letting Trina free and able to act again even if she might not be part of Miquella anymore. Another note, regular Starlight's description ties it to Eternal Cities by saying that these draughts that use Starlight were originally used there.
I like the theory to be honest but I have one problem with it
"The Red Lion General wielded gravitational powers which he learned in Sellia during his younger days. All so he would never have to abandon his beloved but scrawny steed."
It says exeplecitly that this happened in his younger age
You got a point yes but tbh the word "younger" is very ambiguous.
I mean someone in his 30's would refer to his 20's as his "younger days" while it's not really that far away.
Now i could be wrong and he learned gravity magic before the shattering but it's worth noting that a huge amount of time have passed between the shattering and our arrival to the lands between that's why I mention our real life example, the word "younger" days could just be referring to the time of the shattering.
Another banger as always
Loving your vids
You're on a roll! 🔥🔥
Thanks for the interesting video :)
Glad you liked it ❤️
quality content right here👍
One thing I wanted to point out is that although Placidusax heads have different genders in the game files, Placidusax is never referred to as a God but rather the Elden Lord of someone who was a God but fled. Great work regardless!
Indeed you are right but tbh Placidusax is very mysterious, he has a dual gender and i am 90% positive he is the only being that use the golden fire of the elden beast as an attack which is quite weird isn't it ? Hope we get more of Placidusax/ancient dragons backstory in shadow of the Erdtree.
@@G4meplus Yes I believe Placidusax and the ancient dragons have more importance than we are giving them credit for. The association with storms, the hawks all over farum azula, the prevalence of serpents everywhere which seem to be tied to dragons, the dragon attack on Leyndell, Elden Beast looking like a cosmic dragon, Radagon being an anagram for "a dragon" (Marika is Radagon/Marika is a dragon??) Idk I'm reaching here but I think Marika/Radagon and Placidusax may be intimately connected somehow, maybe having something to do with the missing heads? I guess we'll see!
Omg that's why Radahn is necessary to access the DLC
It’s mohg that’s necessary..
They are both in fact necessary to access the DLC unless Miyazaki was lying
Both are necessary.
Hai I like your theory but I wanted to share my interpretation. I saw it as Miquella had to divest himself of his fate in order to reach the Shadow realm.
I wonder... did Miquella murder his own elden beast / fate in that crater?
I still want to know why all the great runes are activated at dead fingers. Why are there fingers at the top of the divine tower if they are only for empyreans.
I personally don’t believe they’re for Empyreans. It’s for any and all descendants of Marika, and act as a conduit for communion.
When it comes to empyreans, I think each Fingers have specific authority to control the fate of their demigod.
@@HeevaEgo ok. I like this. The lore does say the empryreans are chosen by their fingers....
So like isn't Ranni an empryean because renala introduced her to her full moon? Radagon wasn't the divine rebus then and rennala is her mother.
It's not really stated that they are only for empyreans, it seems anyone who can become a lord or a god has his own 2 fingers even the tarnished (roundtable hold) what indicates this even more is that you only get to meet your 2 fingers after acquiring a great rune (this proves you can indeed become a lord therefore you get your own 2 fingers)
Never knew the Dual Sex of Placidusax! What a wild discovery. This leads me to question Godfrey’s dual “sex”. It seems as though, with Godfrey it’s more of a dual nature, with Hourah Loux and his rage. Would love to hear anyone’s thoughts on that. 💜
I think Godfrey and Hoarah Loux didn't have to contain a male and female aspect because they're "just" the Elden Lord, not the actual God. Placidusax might have contained the Elden Ring/Elden Beast (or whatever else his God was) inside his body before it abandoned him, just like how Marika and Radagon do.
Still, duality has a strong presence in Elden Ring and the "First Elden Lord" is another example of that!
@@Solibrae Fair points, thank you. 🥂
I think the shards are connected to the fate of Ranni and not miquella.
Ranni goes into slumber and is protected by wolves and she also had several followers that were loyal to her.
The demigod that Seluvus mentioned could be Ranni. Her fate is guided by stars and the moon.
Don't think so tbh, if this was the case then Seluvis would've specified it belong to her since she is the subject of the scheme anyways.
Also the other environmental clues are really strong hint to Miquella.
@@G4meplus The area with the most shards in the entire game are all over the place where Rannis quest ends.
They are probably fragments from when the fingers landed in a meteor.
@@travman1987 you are right yes but those are the normal shards.
@@G4meplus I didn’t not realize there was a different shard, you are right!
I thought the shard Seluvus mentioned was the starlight ones.
But yes, there’s clearly a unique one in front of a miquella statue!
Other then the ranni ending, who is our consort when we become elden lord in the other endings, also why does marika/radagon attack you and then the elden beast. Ive just forgotten
Radagon wanted to keep the golden order from collapsing therefore he needs to stop you while the Elden beast in my opinion is just a defence mechanism.
The greater will wanted only the strongest to acquire the elden ring so the elden beast attacks you, if you can defeat it then you are worthy and as Godfrey said " a crown is warranted by strength".
I fucking knew it ❤ i found it and inmediately noticed something funny about it
On Malenia and Radhan's fight scene after she stabbed him she spoke something in his ear (you can see her lips moving), and then pierced herself to break the needle, possibly infecting Radhan with her blood before she bloomed into the scarlet flower. I don't believe she was trying to kill him and what that scene is depicting is the moment she intentionally influenced him to stop the fate of the stars in favor of Miquella's plans (or it could be to purposefully affect Ranni's fate as well, so she wouldn't be able to achieve her goals - maybe both). But I don't believe Radhan did it intentionally since his motivations for learning gravity magic was solely to ride his horse.
Now with the DLC story trailer we can speculate that a bunch of the original game's history after the shattering was probably influenced by Miquella, as he never intended to fulfill his fate. Maybe he wasn't ready to leave the cocoon yet and that's why the stars had to be placed in stasis, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to discard his destiny as he did.
Like you said, Ranni had to go thought multiple steps to reach her goals and couldn't have done it without us, the chosed tarnished. So Miquella probably had to wait for his champion as well to move forward with his plans - torrent chose us after all, as acknowledged by Ranni as well.
So the tarnished is the catalyst.
Just like Ranni, Miquella is in pursuit of something even greater than godhood over the lands between outside the influence of the fingers.
I wonder Where is miquilla’s godwyn, and marika’s two fingers?
Me too!
Why these empyreans want to abandon their fates...
Me staring at Placidusax for 10 minutes trying to figure out which head is male and which is female 🤔
One of them looks much more aggressive, this is the male head.
Your theory bothers me. We find Malenia in a state of slumber after she was carried back to the Haligtree. Whose puppet is she?
So given this, where are Miquella’s Two Fingers? 🤔
Super positive that we will know in the DLC.
This makes so much sense. I only disagree with you calling Ranni's fingers 2 fingers. I'm firmly on the camp of the 3 fingers theory. This is the first video I'm seeing from you, so I'm going to look around to see what other theories you have :D
Melina is st Trina
the only think I am sure its that miquella has griffith vibes and I dont like it
Ziostorm stole your theory without referencing you in his video "NEW Secrets Found in the Elden Ring DLC Story Trailer!". he copied everything you said here
No my friend Zio is cool, his video was posted i think a couple of hours before mine also his video is more of a compilation of theories.
the dragon lord is not dual
there were five heads
Yeah we know that he originally had 5 or 4 heads, talking about his current design which of course is intentional by fromsoft.
Bro where you at you ain’t post nothing about the gameplay …
I NEED THE LORE … : I NEED IT
Going for the blind DLC walkthrough 💪
@@G4meplus respectable .. but u always find the stuff no one else does first and that’s what I want !
Idk why, but it was funny when you said "in real life, dont believe this nonsense" with respect to astrology.
I’ve got a frenzied theory so imma just dump it here.
Radagon and Rennala had a fourth child, but that child died at birth (or was aborted) and this is why Radagon divorced her. I believe in the fourth child’s existence because:
1. Rykard designed the Abductor Virgins, who have a woman’s face which weeps black tears onto a gray baby. The Abductor Virgins are purposed to fight Golden Order soldiers, so, Rykard must be reminding his enemies of why he is fighting. Perhaps the Abductor Virgins’ designs are symbolising his sibling’s death (the gray baby), which split his family apart (the weeping face / mother).
2. Rennala’s great rune is called “Rune of the Unborn.” It doesn’t get much more obvious than that.
3. Rennala makes artificial children even before she fights us; they’re not soldiers. We know they’re designed as Rennala’s children because they look up at her whilst singing, “by my mother’s calling.” She just makes children in her spare time… like she’s trying to replace something?
4. Renalla calls her artificial children “sweetings.” She also refers to sweetings in her NPC dialogue, which quotes, “where did ye flee my sweetings.” Interestingly, the word “ye” means “you [in referral to multiple people]” in old English. So, Rennala may be referring to how all of her children left her. This would be reinforcing a theme of child-loss.
5. Two visuals which bolster this theory vastly: Rennala sits in an EMPTY CRADLE and literally turns her artificial children into TOMBSTONES. Birth and death within minutes… Hm… Just like a child who dies after birth.
6. Finally, the amber Rennala holds (which might be who she is calling “sweetings,” by the way) is not the only notable amber in the game. The Starlight Amber’s description reads, “the stars command our fates… amber-hued stars must command the fates of the gods.” The Starlight Amber controls a Demi-god’s fate by literally freezing it, so, is this what the amber represents for Rennala: her fourth child’s fate to die at birth?
Anyway, if this is true (which seems REALLY likely), Rennala’s fourth child has massive lore implications. For example, the child would’ve been a Demi-god because it was born from Marika’s body. However, it died and Demi-gods immortality was a defining feature of the Age of The Erdtree. You could even assume this Demi-god child’s death is what convinced Queen Marika the Eternal of her eternal empire’s mortality: all things die eventually, even gods: “Destined Death.” Could this be the first step to her reason leading to her shattering the Elden Ring?
We can’t be sure, but it’s my head-canon now until proven wrong.
This is really interesting.
@@G4meplus no way you read all of that!
@@harvesterofsubs5561 being a lore enthusiast helps lol
Are you Egyptian?
Yes.
If you casually discard astrology, then you still don't understand Elden Ring. The DLC is being released on Summer Solstice Day this year. Why do you think that is(The 21st in the states is actually the 20th in Japan).
That doesn't make astrology real. Our traits and human events aren't controlled by the objects in space.
Praise the Sun!
Astrology is a pseudoscience, bud
I don’t understand Egyptian language.
Your name says otherwise tho.