"There are no tools inside the game, that teaches him how to play the game." This, sir, is very true, and something that is an enormously difficult challenge to overcome, especially with a 20 year old game.
This really highlights how even though games like WC3 were in the "Golden Age" of RTS, they still suffer from some trappings of older games in for example the fighting game genre, where the state of competitive play kinda grew completely, wildly away from any sort of intentionality the developers may have had, to the point where the Singleplayer mode and the Multiplayer mode are completely different beasts. To play competitively, you kinda have to "unlearn" a lot of things that the singleplayer game teaches you in the early tutorials etc. which are the only avenue through which new, casual players have any hope of going through towards system mastery. Perhaps if Warcraft 3 were released in the current day and age the early tutorials of the singleplayer campaign could introduce concepts such as timing attacks, rushing, principles in base organisation and defense, the importance of teching up ASAP, how to pull creeps etc., but that would make the game perhaps radically different.
We have seen some moves towards that. With campaigns having set missions but intertwined with skirmishes. 40k Dark Crusade RTS is a great example, with CoH3 being a modern example. However I think it often just waters down the campaign. I think it is best handled with a ''competitive campaign''. Like a side-campaign where you get story but the missions themselves teach you multiplayer. However such a campaign would need to very creative to avoid an overt feeling of gameification but also be updated at times if the fundamental meta shifts. For example if SC2 had such a competitive tutorial mini-campaign at launch you'd need to update it today as even basic things have been changed.
If Warcraft 3 were released in the current day, there might be no concept of "timing attacks, rushing, principles in base organisation and defense, the importance of teching up ASAP, how to pull creeps" yet. Cause those concept were born from accumulation of endless hours of PvP.
@@rikterandersson3568 Also 99% of the time it would be confusing to have a tutorial that tells you how to rush or tech up in the singleplayer campaign, because the whole point of the campaign is to slowly evolve units and tech with the story, while the AI usually has a well established base you simply cant rush and your tech level is also limited. i dont even wanna imagine the work involved to keep a multiplayer tutorial up to date with all the changes that happening,
The worst part about a total newbie being crushed by Grubby is if they don't realise they were just crushed by Grubby. Like, I could absolutely stomach joining some game, getting my ass handed to me, if someone could say, "do you know who that was?!"
Grubby needs to start each game with encouragement to his opponent haha. Inform them that he has his pre-requisite 50,000 hours and is merely climbing the new ladder, and to not give up hope haha
Thank you for bringing back warcraft 3. I am back playing 4v4 again. I played warcraft 3 when i was 18 in 2002 to 2008 or 2009 and quit because of the disconnect hacks. So I played wow instead. It is good to be back thank you.
I remember a few years back when i purchased w3 reforged, in my first multiplayer game i played against a guy that was obviously much better than me and he slaughtered me realy easy with good micro and so on, but he did encouraged me to keep playing on chat. After that i mever played again though :)) A week ago i tried again a few multiplayer games with undead, which i am prety noob at, and i got anihilated 3 times in a row in less than 5 minutes. None of the players sayed anything in chat, i did say hi like i allways did even back in the time of warcraft 3 demo. Yes, i did play that, but 15 years ago or so, i used to be prety decent at that, playing orc with far seer as only hero. Might try again but i guess they will pit me against strong players again and again so i don't see the point
I have the same as the last guy. I just dont know how to play WC3. Do you have a video with basics or could you make one? As it is now I don't even want to give it a try
I think a good strategy vs noobs is to go mass tauren walker with bloodlust. You will give them enough time to build stuff and play with it and then when they meet your army, they will get stomped. Then the game will end in a flash but they will also be impressed.
Hello there! how do you keep the original audio? I can't seem to find it or does the original audio work for English only? or for Russian as well available?
Love this kind of content. Love to see try hard Grubby. Kind of funny though.... says he is going to focus and sit up straight, but then chats nonstop about all kind of things. Great game strategy knowledge explained too. All so good! :-)
I'm not totally noob. Played in the past, not seriously. Playing mostly Dota. Never heard of grubby until coming across this channel, and just started playing again because of this channel. I completely have forgotten past build orders, and it's a hard game to pick up because people are either good, or noobish like me. 3v3 is very fun though.
I've seen some mixed thoughts on WC3 2.0. I personally like it, although, it made it so it won't run on Win7 anymore which means that my pc can't run it anymore. Also Grubby, "we're not 18 anymore", damn. Made me feel old, I'm almost 20 now... 😢
hey @grubby, hope you have time to answer this. direct strike on wc3 champions is not the same version as direct strike in official client? can you confirm? Noticed my progress here in w3 champions did to transfer to official client
Every time i watch either Warcaft 3 or Starcraft 2 pros i always wonder how League of Legends can be the biggest e-sport in the world. Like a Warcraft or Starcraft pro could go into a LoL tournaments and do decent. If a LoL player would enter a War/Star tourny thay would get completely destroyed xd Warcraft and Starcraft is the 2 games you truly can say that there is no skill ceiling. Even with watching Grubby and his gameplay is insane i still see holes to fill with actions :D
Nonono, 26:40 you're not really ruining 1on1. Based on the direct strike "pro" scene logic, all the new players are ruining 1on1, and they should play at least 250 1on1 matches before playing 1on1!
When I was younger, I would only play campaign bc I would get stomped online since campaign teaches you to play wrong, imo. It's a problem across every game it seems, wanna learn how to play, better look at tons of content creation and outside resources.
This is why nobody wants to paly this game anymore, it's so hard to learn to the point that it feels like doing a thesis. Just why would you write a thesis and put in all these hardwork if all you want is having fun? What's entertaining about that?
"There are no tools inside the game, that teaches him how to play the game."
This, sir, is very true, and something that is an enormously difficult challenge to overcome, especially with a 20 year old game.
This really highlights how even though games like WC3 were in the "Golden Age" of RTS, they still suffer from some trappings of older games in for example the fighting game genre, where the state of competitive play kinda grew completely, wildly away from any sort of intentionality the developers may have had, to the point where the Singleplayer mode and the Multiplayer mode are completely different beasts. To play competitively, you kinda have to "unlearn" a lot of things that the singleplayer game teaches you in the early tutorials etc. which are the only avenue through which new, casual players have any hope of going through towards system mastery. Perhaps if Warcraft 3 were released in the current day and age the early tutorials of the singleplayer campaign could introduce concepts such as timing attacks, rushing, principles in base organisation and defense, the importance of teching up ASAP, how to pull creeps etc., but that would make the game perhaps radically different.
We have seen some moves towards that. With campaigns having set missions but intertwined with skirmishes. 40k Dark Crusade RTS is a great example, with CoH3 being a modern example. However I think it often just waters down the campaign. I think it is best handled with a ''competitive campaign''. Like a side-campaign where you get story but the missions themselves teach you multiplayer. However such a campaign would need to very creative to avoid an overt feeling of gameification but also be updated at times if the fundamental meta shifts. For example if SC2 had such a competitive tutorial mini-campaign at launch you'd need to update it today as even basic things have been changed.
If Warcraft 3 were released in the current day, there might be no concept of "timing attacks, rushing, principles in base organisation and defense, the importance of teching up ASAP, how to pull creeps" yet. Cause those concept were born from accumulation of endless hours of PvP.
@@rikterandersson3568 what well written comment rikter
@@rikterandersson3568 Also 99% of the time it would be confusing to have a tutorial that tells you how to rush or tech up in the singleplayer campaign, because the whole point of the campaign is to slowly evolve units and tech with the story, while the AI usually has a well established base you simply cant rush and your tech level is also limited. i dont even wanna imagine the work involved to keep a multiplayer tutorial up to date with all the changes that happening,
The worst part about a total newbie being crushed by Grubby is if they don't realise they were just crushed by Grubby.
Like, I could absolutely stomach joining some game, getting my ass handed to me, if someone could say, "do you know who that was?!"
19:22 wow that setup for surround was so damn smooth.
New cam size covering in-game chat.
He's aware, he said he will keep this as a form of protest so that they allow you to move the ingame chatbox (a bit sarcastically)
Yah, he's been saying he doesn't care. His face is more important 😂
@@rdubs1705Who cares about his face? If it was a blonde lady, okay, but just keep the chat visible in this case 😆
Grubby needs to start each game with encouragement to his opponent haha. Inform them that he has his pre-requisite 50,000 hours and is merely climbing the new ladder, and to not give up hope haha
Could*
Answer to video question:
Cairne Bloodhoof was 99 during the Third War, . He died at the age of 107.
Which is old for a Tauren
Cairne didn't even die from old age. He gave his life for The Horde when Garrosh was laying waste to our honor.
Thank you for bringing back warcraft 3. I am back playing 4v4 again. I played warcraft 3 when i was 18 in 2002 to 2008 or 2009 and quit because of the disconnect hacks. So I played wow instead. It is good to be back thank you.
I think the fact we can use skins now in SD classic is a good enough reason to say it was a nice patch
How do u use them? Ive been trying for 3 days
Oh, yea. Agree.
@@l00koutqc44 the same way you change your profile-picture. There is a tab called "skins"
I remember a few years back when i purchased w3 reforged, in my first multiplayer game i played against a guy that was obviously much better than me and he slaughtered me realy easy with good micro and so on, but he did encouraged me to keep playing on chat.
After that i mever played again though :))
A week ago i tried again a few multiplayer games with undead, which i am prety noob at, and i got anihilated 3 times in a row in less than 5 minutes. None of the players sayed anything in chat, i did say hi like i allways did even back in the time of warcraft 3 demo.
Yes, i did play that, but 15 years ago or so, i used to be prety decent at that, playing orc with far seer as only hero.
Might try again but i guess they will pit me against strong players again and again so i don't see the point
I wanna play this so bad lately, I'm so sad I missed last sale. Warcraft was my childhood, glad Reforged looks better now than at launch.
It's impressive, they made direct strike into a really good rts!
How much longer are we going to make this joke
A barrow is a very English term for a hill which is a tomb... Lord of the rings has a whole thing with barrows and wights
The new players are leaving without saying gg because the chat is disabled by default now.
thats an unfortunate side effect
It might literally be the end of the tradition for W3 aside from specific interactions/events and the old guard
@@victornguyen1175 that's pretty dramatic to think considering there are people that willingly do not put gg after a game with chat enabled
OR they might've considered it a "bg". 😆
Cairne spawning quote hit me hard man how could blizzard not know this is what we wanted
Can you explain?
Cairne is all of us just over 35 years old realizing that our old bones will ache every morning we wake up.
I have the same as the last guy. I just dont know how to play WC3. Do you have a video with basics or could you make one? As it is now I don't even want to give it a try
You seem like a very intelligent guy. :D Nice play too. Subbed to you. I loved to play the old version of Warcraft 3 (and WC 2!
Awesome games! I can't wait for Grubby Fits. The new channel for fitness and occasional rants.
thumbnail grubby accepted his fate
Could someone explain to me how can I enable the camera click-drag without removing the edgepan?
6:30 - What a huge cast range it has!
21:18 aged like wine
24:00 Cairn Bloody Hoof died at the age of 107.
I think a good strategy vs noobs is to go mass tauren walker with bloodlust. You will give them enough time to build stuff and play with it and then when they meet your army, they will get stomped. Then the game will end in a flash but they will also be impressed.
grubby, u can eat pancakes everyday, u just gotta replace 70% of the flour with non-flour, cottage cheese works well
Hello there! how do you keep the original audio? I can't seem to find it or does the original audio work for English only? or for Russian as well available?
Looks like 1v1 is back on the menu, boys!
Love this kind of content. Love to see try hard Grubby.
Kind of funny though.... says he is going to focus and sit up straight, but then chats nonstop about all kind of things. Great game strategy knowledge explained too. All so good! :-)
I'm not totally noob. Played in the past, not seriously. Playing mostly Dota. Never heard of grubby until coming across this channel, and just started playing again because of this channel. I completely have forgotten past build orders, and it's a hard game to pick up because people are either good, or noobish like me. 3v3 is very fun though.
After watching that I can def see how that guy got 50 wins in 24 hours.
I've seen some mixed thoughts on WC3 2.0. I personally like it, although, it made it so it won't run on Win7 anymore which means that my pc can't run it anymore.
Also Grubby, "we're not 18 anymore", damn. Made me feel old, I'm almost 20 now... 😢
Win 7 in 2024? You're living on the edge, man!
I should be able to calculate how old you were when win 7 came out .. I know it's not very old
"is the Netherlands Germanys Canada?" - Yes... Now it is
2:19 😂😂😂😂
hey @grubby, hope you have time to answer this. direct strike on wc3 champions is not the same version as direct strike in official client? can you confirm? Noticed my progress here in w3 champions did to transfer to official client
The update added a setting which mutes all opponent chat, it's on by default as well.
Guys, how do i change the hotkeys on the inventory, its killing me bad
I don't think that's possible
Does anybody know how you get the demonic illidan with wings? I cant find any info on it. I have reforged 2.0 but dont find an option for this skin.
Good morning señor grub
Aah Grubby, the stomper of noobs, the gatekeeper warchief, the journeys end
great video!
Glad your back in 1v1 I didn’t care for direct strike, now can you hit Glad level with human and NE ?
how many pepons do I have to put on wood for ork?
5
How to play with the old SD graphics instead of the HD new ones.
change it into classic in options right below
Did i miss something? How u have thrall skin in normal 1v1
maan this game is way harder than I realised, I bought it yesterday played for 1h and then got a refund ahahahha
Bro why sit straight ur my lullaby.
Every time i watch either Warcaft 3 or Starcraft 2 pros i always wonder how League of Legends can be the biggest e-sport in the world.
Like a Warcraft or Starcraft pro could go into a LoL tournaments and do decent.
If a LoL player would enter a War/Star tourny thay would get completely destroyed xd
Warcraft and Starcraft is the 2 games you truly can say that there is no skill ceiling. Even with watching Grubby and his gameplay is insane i still see holes to fill with actions :D
its easier to follow league of legends game as an audience.
so it gets more audience. more audience means bigger sport
5 games in 30 min? gotta be a record or something
update is cursed wins are not counting nice !!
Did you enjoy them, at least?
@@AG_247 sure i cant lose bcs new people are playing this game or the old one
funny thing if you are winning all the time it can be boring XD
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I prefer no videos about such newbie stomping matches (except if it's by some trolling strategy)
Whats the reason for him clicking him so many times? he is setting the waypoint for new peons so many times? is that just habit?
Going back to SD graphics is disappointing. Went from eye candy to eye raw vegetables.
Vegetables are good for you.
@Lucius_Chiaraviglio ketchup is my favorite vegetable.
@@rdubs1705 😆
La perdono!
Is it really a sixth sense, when every NE is AP rushing? 😂😂
let's goooo
🌳
Grubby WoW classic confirmed
Nonono, 26:40 you're not really ruining 1on1. Based on the direct strike "pro" scene logic, all the new players are ruining 1on1, and they should play at least 250 1on1 matches before playing 1on1!
Just cAme across Grubby.. giggitty...If hes a keyboard hotkey clicker, has he won any Tourneys?
Ask Google or GPTs.
@AG_247 Whats a GPT?
Need more DS, I know when you were playing DS people were screaming for 1V1 but i have become addicted to watching DS.
Grubby Onlyfangs sounds amazing.
🙃
Wait, you're playing in OnlyFangs?
gg
gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
When I was younger, I would only play campaign bc I would get stomped online since campaign teaches you to play wrong, imo. It's a problem across every game it seems, wanna learn how to play, better look at tons of content creation and outside resources.
poor poor players... make a fresh acc and face the end boss round 1...
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This is why nobody wants to paly this game anymore, it's so hard to learn to the point that it feels like doing a thesis. Just why would you write a thesis and put in all these hardwork if all you want is having fun? What's entertaining about that?
The reason might be, that the average person of the TikTok generation is already overwhelmed with walking and breathing at the same time...