I've gotten several comments suggesting that the items go to family inventory instead of the Sim's personal inventory. They DO NOT go to the family/household inventory when you are not controlling the Sims. Some items go there after purchasing, but only for the active family. I have tested this dozens of times with numerous households. Playables you do not control don't actually buy anything.
When I saw this comment plus reached the part of the video where you discussed this. I WAS SHOCKED! I had a clothing store, designed the clothes myself so townies can look nicer but now I'm wondering if I should really sell other items other than clothes. Since items don't go to your inventory (whether personal or household) I guess I should stick to clothes. Wait! What if its the same issue with clothes?!?
Id suggest speaking with the modders on the Mccc discord. There are so many wonderful and knowledgeable folk there. Also the modder basemental that makes the adult drugs mod has sims who purchase the drugs also use said substances as well in the world. So it may be a lead you could follow up in. best of luck! I really want something like this as well!!
@@MusicLoverICI55 Yeah, I did the same thing, but with an Art Gallery, I thought the customs Art was spreading throughout the town. That's really disappointing.
When The Sims 4 came out I hoped it would be a combination of TS2 and 3 but over the years I got very very disappointed each time they ruined my childhood even more with packs and updates
@Jusey1 lmao what? I have almost 2 GB of cc on my sims 2 and it never crashed or anything. Maybe is something in your pc, sims 4 can work on pretty shitty PCs
@Jusey1 There's a program out there that can fix it. It's called 4gb patch or something like that. A youtuber called SfekTek does a 3 minute tutorial about it if you're interested. The Sims 2 crashes due to not being up to date with newer computers. This 4gb patch program fixes that.
THIS is why we simmers complain. I'm an OG sims 1 player and I miss little stuff like this. The sims use to be so quirky and chaotic. The Sims 4 is graphicly beautiful, but it's missing a TON small characteristics original to the game and gets boring quick. I liked how I never knew how my sims were going to react to things. Sims 1 characters were funny and a hot mess. Now my Sims barely get mad if they are cheated on.
And I hate being told we need to stop complaining or being "ungrateful". If you've played Sims 1 and 2, you know this game has so much it CAN do (it's made HUGE strides) and seeing Sims 4 go back in such simple ways that impact gameplay a lot, it makes you angry; it's like EA is doing everything we DON'T want when it's so obvious what could fix this entire game (it doesn't take a genius to know). I know people say this is "just a game", but for a lot of people, this has been THEIR game since childhood or teenhood and it holds a place for us. It honestly kind of hurts to see such an amazing game be watered down so much. I've been playing this game since I was 10 when I got Sims 1 and was amazed at how much better this game got each time, but then Sims 4 is just... ugh. It's decent, but it's not what we KNOW it could be.
Omg haha i remember i played sims 2 and my sims cheated in the game and that woman (partner) was gone angry when she noticed her man/husband cheated on her with an another woman, i can't forget how the sims got into fights and became enemies, good old times😂😂😂
BooDotBoo OMG I wish I could love your comment over and over. These new simmers don’t know anything about the original sims! It was SOO good. That was my life back in the day. I stayed up all night on a school night playing the Sims 2 when it first came out. Risking my life to play because my parents were strict and wasn’t allowed to play during the week. I was OBSESSED! The Sims 4 is that ex you keep going back to because you think they’re going to change, but don’t. 😂
That's because it's the same recycled animation used for stealing. It's also used for a bunch of other things, such as harvesting. EA refuses to pay for new animations.
@depressed cockroach I have no idea if EA was given a smaller budget for TS4 compared to TS2 but I would guess that TS4 has had a larger audience and therefore a larger intake of profits. That being said it's hard to justify not increasing the budget after 6 yrs of steady profit and putting it back into the franchise. Unless, that money is being spent on other things such as maybe The Sims FreePlay, maybe even The Sims 5. That brings me to my next point which is, our money in not going into TS4 and the budget only leaves room to recycle objects with new skins and recycle animations with only adding new moodlets. Yet we will be charged to play TS5 even though we've essentially already paid for it.
I just hate that this game is over 6 years old and it still has no story progression. The lack of items in their inventory that we saw them buy is a product if that! How they ever thought to release a game that had monster progression is beyond me completely. I have played the sims since the original game and I have enjoyed every one. I even enjoyed the sims 4 at first, until I realised how unfinished and messy it is STILL. And as much as I love CC and mods I shouldnt have to use mods on order to play a game. I can play sims 2 and 3 happily without any mods and any I do have simply advance my gameplay or let me control minor things that are tailored to my play style. In sims 4 I cant even touch it without several script mods. Sadly, I dont believe it will ever be fixed.
I can't play sims 2 and sims 3 without mods, this particular problem is not sims 4 specific. Every sims game need mods. Sims 2 ans sims 3 mods are essential if you want to play a game for more them 1 generation...
@@leaselmary_sims2189 I cannot play Sims 3 without mods (mostly due to all the lag), but I have played Sims 2 without mods for many challenges. I also played vanilla for nearly 20 generations (wanted to see how far I could go, but sadly that computer fried, because all my dlc was on disks then, having to load in every time).
Leaselmary_Sims I play sims 2 and 3 without mods and it’s fun and functional. The sims 4 isn’t fun or functional. The lag I have with vanilla sims 4 is worse than with vanilla sims 3.
The more you compare you realize how much of a downhill curve the whole franchise took since TS4 arrived. How things we would get in 1 expansion pack now are split between 2 expansions packs, 1 game pack and 2 game packs.
I believe that the Sims 2 is the best game. Everything worked properly, even without mods, and it was more in-depth than the Sims 4. To be honest, I'm surprised that a newer version of the Sims couldn't stand up to Sims 2. You'd think Sims 4 would be the better version of the previous games, but I guess not 😒.
Tatyiana Henry sims 3 comes close but it doesn’t have the little details that makes me love sims 2 and it ditched most things sims 2 brought to the table but other then that it’s pretty good! (And the lag but I don’t have much trouble with that)
@@aspirationfailure6100 yeah, the sims 3 were preety good, but the lags make it impossible to play!! And also weird bugs , like a whole family taht stands outside a beautiful house that I built when I'm not playing with it...
If you register on that job ministry on your sim's phone, you can give them a job title. So if your sim is a vet and gets asked what they do for a living, it won't say they're unemployed
@@janel4429 yup, I did that. But the employees tho. When I go to do that and make them an active household they no longer work at the vet clinic and then aren’t electable to be hired anymore
My sim asked her fiancé if he was single and he said he was. And once he called her to invite her on a date while sitting next to her. Those guys are either bugged or delusional
1 more thing with Sims 2 that Sims 4 could never = your business has business value up to 50.000 simoleons depending on your business rank. You can sell your business and get your lot value + 50.000 simoleons!! I always buy community lot with lot value around 30k, make the business successful and then sell it for 80k 😭💓
I forgot how horrendous the simulation lag in the sims 4 is, holy moly. That was the reason I stopped playing the sims 4 because it is basically makes the game unplayable.
It is TERRIBLE. I am AMAZED that this has gone unfixed. How can anyone play this game without a mod to fix it?? I feel really bad for players who are new to The Sims and haven't discovered mods yet. This is what they get....It's shameful.
@@PleasantSims Its really bad, I feel like i remember reading in patch notes once that the simulation lag was fixed and it wasn't. My game was unplayable even with mods because they wouldn't work most of the time for me ):
I have tried the simulation unclogger type mods and couldnt see any difference in my game my game generally behaves for lag 80% of the time but i reinstalled the mods yesterday to see if it helps with the lag iv been getting since battu
When I was playing this game I don't even know what mods are and this makes me so sad and angry, and I thinked that was because my computer wasn't good, I in chock right now that this is a problem in THE game! For me the wrost in all this, is that the time flys and the sims loses it, at least if the time don't run, would be terrible but not so ridiculously disrespectful with the player.
I think it was a bit interesting to complain about customers not getting bought items in their inventories when inventories of other sims are something that causes a lot of lag
God, sims 4 is so disapointing about EVERYTHING. I’ve been playing sims 2 lately, and i thought like “omg, i was so used up with sims 4 poor gameplay since freaking 2014 that i forgot how GOOD a sims game could be”. And here i am playing sims 2 having the same fun as i had in my childhood, and i don’t miss sims 4 at all. Sad that i spent so much money on packs that i haven’t even played yet.
@@DrRisk01 I started playing ts3 again since last week for the 1st time since sims 4 came out. Eventho the loading in s3 is a bit longer but it is better than s4
Same here. I’m currently playing TS2 and I’m having a blast. It blew my freaking mind when I looked into the hobby category and saw so many items. Like holy cow. And pretty much the same thing happened in with many other TS2 features. The only things I miss from the sims 4 are things like the vampires - I really enjoy playing with occults, and you gotta give credit where it’s due, TS4 did vampires really well. Similarly, I miss having velebrities. I also miss CAS swatches and not having to go through 6 of the same clothing items in different colors. And TS4 does have some very powerful building tools (moving rooms or the whole lot? Woah.) but honestly that’s all I can say I miss about TS4... It’s never a good thing when this is all you can list you love about a game this big and this old... on the contrary if I were to list everything I missed from TS2......
Wait I‘be only played sims 4 I heard that sims 3 was the better one out of all of them. What do you like better about sims 2? I’m super interested bc sims 4 is SO boring
@@Boochieween When it comes to Sims 2 CAS is very outdated but with some great replacements for items in the game you can update your sims quite a bit ofc there is cc. The only issue i have is only two body types you are stuck with but yeah the game came out so long ago they probably couldn't figure out how to implement body diversity Build & buy mode is less detailed from 3 & 4 but is still more then enough for regular builders and with some cheats and tricks and cc you can make great builts. But the thing Sims 2 does best is the gameplay. Gameplay is so rich,personalities actually exist and are very much present in your sim's life. Neighborhoods are full of drama and stories,you can go for scripted events but you can also play as you wish. Not to mention you can make your own neighborhoods. Swatch system i forgot to mention is also better then in Sims 4. Also there are so many realistic details not included in the Sims 3 & 4. My favourite packs for Sims 2 are OFB,Nightlife and University. Did i mention that in Sims 2 you can drive cars unlike the Sims 4
The SIms 4 is purely made for builders and they half-assed every other aspect of the game. They know that objects are the easiest thing to make, so they can pump those out 3-4 times a year to keep the expansion pack income flowing. Its hard to believe that there are so many game-breaking bugs in the game still. And at least base game bugs have a chance of becoming fixed, but if your bug is in an expansion? Good luck. Those never get looked at again after they released them.
I build and do hoods and it feels like half the game is unfinished, so I'm still waiting for my sims 2 DISC to arrive bc there isn't a download anymore. I hate sims 4.
@You Tube i already had the game (i bought it from a game store a couple years back) i just reinstalled it. If you want the sims I would recommend getting it on ebay
@You Tube if u have any local app to buy stuff from. Chances are they have the cd version of it and they sell it in a cheap price too! Since it's used and it's more authentic!
The other thing I liked about Sims 2 clothing is the fact that if you don't own the outfit, you can't wear it. Sims 4 you can change your outfit anytime anywhere with few restrictions. Whats the point of a clothing store then? When they released that in Sims 4 it was so redundant.
yes! In the Sims 2 they would only ever wear clothes they own and if you wanted more outfits you had to buy them! Its super annoying in the Sims 4 that any sim can wear anything. Like I'll have a sim that I want to be super girly and always wear pink but you see them walking around town in anything but. You want a sim to be goth? nah you load into their lot and their wearing a red top, yellow skirt and purple socks . They have no style!
yess! The way you could take your sim and her friends to buy a wedding dress & fancy dresses together before the wedding. That added so much realism and was fun.
That didn't bother me at first but after I made a homeless sim who only had the clothes she was wearing and nothing else. Now I'm at loss what to do when she gets more money to afford to have better clothes. I'll probably just delete some money when I give her new clothes so I can simulate her struggles more. It would have been fun to go to the store to buy new clothes like in TS2... Even if you are lazy and don't want to go to store to buy new clothes we could have online stores where sims could just order them at home. And of course you could use cheats to go to CAS and edit your sims there when your children grow up so it won't be such a hassle everytime. So it's not like it would be impossible to have both in the game!
I started playing The Sims with Sims 3, so I can say this without any nostalgia goggles what so ever... the Sims 2 really kicks the Sims 4's ass. I only seriously picked up 2 a few years ago when EA was giving out the Ultimate Collection for free. It really is the little things for me. Like, when sims cook in 2 they'll open drawers on counters and "pull out" different utensils to cook with rather than manifesting them from thin air. Or the romantic interactions? Compare the stargazing interaction in 2 to the one in 4. In 2 they'll snuggle up next to each other and rest their heads on each others chests and gaze lovingly into each others eyes and in 4 they just... lie flat on the grass near each other. I guess "underwhelming" would be the right term for 4. Sims 2 just has so much more life and personality. The main reason to play 4 over 2 is the vastly improved CAS (seriously I love the ability to swap masculine/feminine clothing preferences and gender and the like on the fly), the abundance of CC, and the improved build/buy mode. That's literally it, though. If I could get a mod that put 4's CAS, CC, and Build/Buy mode into 2 I would never play 4 again.
This retail is so bad in the sims 4 for 2 reasons: 1. This feature came off as an afterthought for get to work. The focus was on active careers and not enough work was put into the retail system. 2. The sims team don’t bother fixing the game! Almost all content they release, they don’t maintain the bugs from it. That simulation lag you mention, it’s been in the game for years! Retail, restaurant, so much more stuff are barely playable because they don’t bother fixing stuff. Just releasing new meaningless content and once it’s not working too bad you’re stuck with it.
The ticket machine in The Sims 2 Open For Business makes it so the possibilities are limitless. Last week I made a fun house/house of mirrors because it's October. This week I want to try a cornfield maze. Then next week I'll really go for it and do a proper haunted house.
I always play my games R2R and always sell my home grown items, bakery or crafted items in a retail store and I love it. As I told Cindy in my comments, don't put out too many items to sell at one time and spread them out. I never have lag and it works perfectly for me.
OFB was my favourite Sims 2 pack. I would play it for hours and hours on end (granted, I would use maxmotives so my sims didn't have to go home lol). I've had Get to work installed for months, and I only recently tested out running a business. AAAAAAND it's a no from me. bored in 5 minutes.
I assumed it was just an animation they already had and repurposed. Instead of taking the time to create ALL the animations for the register. It's a shame because it's those actions that MAKE the game a fun simulation.. it's just WORK otherwise.
It sucks because we have registers, but they are just wasted. I guess tablets are accurate. I’ve seen more businesses using them, but of course the sims 4 half assed it.
@@wii1199 for me it doesn't simulate life at all. In Germany where I live, almost everything is bought at the register. Some of us even buy and read magazine, too. So TS1, 2 and 3 are way more realistic and offer more possibilities with not using a tablet for shopping.
The only store I have ever seen this system at is the Apple store, but that is IT. I can’t believe they based the whole system on one store’s method when 99% use cash registers!
I didn't even know a retail pack existed. That's how much I care for the sims 4 lol. The buying simulation (or lack thereof) wouldn't bother me. I specifically installed a mod in the sims 2 to stop purchases appearing in Sim inventories, because I would just be able to sell them, essentially giving the household free money. Of course there are many ways to fix that. But the Sims just bunching up in one place and not acting like real customers sure would steal any enjoyment for me. Do they even test their own packs?! Like...how did they release such a horrible AI? And ringing up with an iPad? What? If you're able to place a register, why can't you use it for its proper purpose ? Urgh. Anyway, great video!
LITERally, I would rather have sims pay with register than ipad! PLUS ATLEAST they should just allow both the register and ipad to be playable, so we can choose by ourselves what we want..
@@xpeachesxsimmer That would be great! You could do it depending on what type of business you have. For example, for a super market you could have them use the cash register, and at a furniture store they could use the tablet.
Perhaps because you're young and attracked about the "new stuff". But soon or later you'll find the gems of the oldies in which, in this case, sadly, oldie are better. I'm a REALLY old gamer and for me the perfect Sims game is between The Sims 2 and The Sims 3. That's why I play a lot more the 2 and 3 installment more than the newest version.
Honestly, this video just saved me the hassle of having to own a retail store in the Sims 4. I also love the realism aspect of Sims 2 retail stores because it's actually immersive and Sims actually buy things
Yeah, when I'd have a sim own like a bakery. I'd have them make a bunch of stuff to sale and it was realistic. It actually made YOU feel like you owned a store and were putting work into it, and you weren't just watching sims run a store.
I feel like they should have made a whole pack about this instead of splitting them up like sims 4 usually does like vets and restaurants are in separate packs!!! I like how in sims 2 you can actually use the register and sims will get upset if you don’t hurry and stuff shows up into their inventory! It is all so hood to me in sims 2 and I can’t wait to do it more in my custom hood! I didn’t know much about the normal sims 4 businesses because I only had the vet one and i don’t like that the register doesn’t do anything and the whole thing where the sims all bunch up looks like they didn’t check anything about this!! Idk why the items don’t show up in their inventories either. There is some good stuff about sims 4 businesses but the bad out ways the good typical sims 4.
It is just terrible! I don't know why they wouldn't use the same system as in OFB in Sims 4. I think they just don't care about this game and just want to rake in the money because we keep buying it like suckers. Lol
@@PleasantSims they definetely couldn't use the same ofb system as sims 2 because sims 4 has different lot system. Sims 2 base game has two types of lot residential and community. So you don't own store or a restaraunt, you own a community lot. Roles of the stuff and the customers are tied to the objects on the lot. Sims 3 and sims 4 shifted from this by making specialised community lots like "gym", "lybrary", "park", "night club", "cemetery" etc. And I think this is why sims 3 didn't tried to do a business expansion pack. Because since sims 3 every community lot has a type so every business lot has to be a type of business. They can't give us a customisable sims 2 style business anymore. They can only introduce new types of businesses, like hotels in sims 3 and restaraunts in sims 4. Which would be totally fine if they would have done better jobs with the retail stores. Restaraunts and vets are nice. You have customer ratings, reviews, you have to train your employes, perks are specific to that type of business, further customisation. So when I want to play business in sims 4 I open a restataunt, they are clother to ofb.
Ow I totally forgot that the Sims 2 had home buisnesses - I would looove that for the Sims 4... like imagine the artist Sims could have a real home studio with a lil incorporated gallery :'( All the missed opportunities... And yes, the lag is REAL (especially restaurants!)
I cannot express to you how good it makes me feel to see a person other than myself who weaves these complex interconnected storylines for all of my townies even if they’re literally not doing anything but showing up in th background of my sims’ stories
so I have been playing sims 2 for a long time 0_0 but I didn't know about the machine that charge for fee in the entrance. anyway, I did try to play for a minute in the sims 4 retail, hated it, come back to the sims 2. I guess I just hate the sims 4 from every angle. it feels lazy, unfinished and just a slap to the face. also in the sims 4 employers that you hire are very very annoying to keep for long, cause then they always ask for a raise even if they don't do anything. it isn't a bag, some employers will just lay around until you critic them. kinda like the pats in the sims 2 that will scratch your furniture until you teach them not to. at least in the sims 2 the employers actually did things without you need to critic them. I don't know, maybe it happens only in my game but it was annoying to no end. has always thank you for the wonderfully detailed dissection about this topic, and thank you for showing me new things about the sims 2 that I didn't know XD
OH MY GOD IMAGINE A *MALL EXPANSION PACK* like if it was as good as sims 2 expansions you could build massive shopping centres ugh and loads of npcs would fill it omg i’m crying now
@@PleasantSims then EA should just put it out! Of they're scared people would leave sims 4 um if they do regardless they'll have more money because more people would buy the game.
You can buy that mega sims 2 pack off ebay for a couple bucks. They send you a username and password to use. I promise it's legit as that's how I play sims 2. LIFE SAVER
I just bought sims 2 and sims 3 complete collections off etsy and they work perfect i think the sims 2 one was like 12 bucks and you get it in your email right away
OFB was THE BEST. I don't even get what Sims 4 retail is. I liked how, in OFB, you could have a lot that people paid just to visit or you could have a family home on top of a store you owned. L LOVED that because it's something you see in real life; family-owned businesses that are apart of their home. The businesses you could have could range SO much. People actually had the stuff in their inventory. You could hire your family to work in your store. And set jobs for each person to do. Like, it ran like an actual store. Some people didn't like when sims would get angry and leave, but it's realistic; if you're at a store and you've waited 20+ minutes to check out, you'd probably leave, too, lol. Not to mention the levels to your store, which gave you like a mini-game within the game. It was just such good gameplay. I've honestly never bothered with the system in Sims 4 because it's just so boring.
People don't realize that Sims 2 that was the whole expansion, in The Sims 4 it was like 1/5 of an expansion (Retail plus Doctors, Scientists, Aliens and Detective so...)
ye and that makes it even worse... like if youre not gonna do it properly theres no point doing it at all. it felt like the 'retail' aspect was just thrown in at the last minute, it shouldve had more care given to it, or be left out entirely.
I never got into business ownership in the sims 4 but I love it in the sims 2! Recently I’ve been playing in blue water village and I’m on the Ramirez family in my rotation and their furniture store is going so well!
The Sims 2 OFB is what I expected The Sims 4 Get to Work to be, partially. I knew the active jobs were going to be a part of it, but when I saw retail was a thing, I figured "oh so it's gonna be OFB again, sweet" and then that went to "um... what is this?" Sure, the tablet is more modern, so I could see that (though that's not a thing irl so it really makes no sense), but other than that, running a store in Sims 4 is boring and I hate having no control over my employees. Being able to give them specific tasks makes perfect sense. I guess you could argue that the fixed roles are a thing, but so often they just do what they want. I don't know, it just doesn't feel the same. It's always the same with the new stuff in Sims 4: "Oh, this is cool... let's try it" *plays for a few hours* "...bored now." The worst part is that the formula was already there! They just had to copy it. But yeah, I guess EA just hates things that aren't corner-cutting messes.
They have corner-cut this game into absolute garbage. I am just astonished at some of the things that have gone unfixed in this game, but retail is one of the worst features. Such potential but so poorly executed.
Well, I will say that some stores, very few, have tablets. The main ones I can think of are the Apple Store and the Comcast store in my area... one of the Walmarts used to have someone who would walk through the long lines and ring people up with a tablet, but it stopped earlier this year, because of covid.. Other than that, I've never seen them in any store because, even if it's modern, it would take way too long for a few people to come up to everyone with their tablet. They'd have to hire a BUNCH of people for it to work well. And as I mentioned before, with covid, that close interaction to so many people would probably be discouraged.
@@BooDotBoo Oh ok, so it does exist. And yeah, it's obvious they'd put such close interaction on hold. But yeah, it'd be unrealistic and far more difficult for any store bigger than having 3-4 customers at once, which is truly a case in Sims 4. It's probably why you're more likely to make the waiting customers angry. So I think I'll stick with my "unnecessary corner cutting" thought on how the process works. Though I'd think programming the tablet would have been harder than just having the cash register do everything. Then again, I'm no programmer.
I love OFB! It's definitely one of my favorite sims expansion packs of all time! I love how you can sell pretty much anything and all of the little details it offers!
I found out a while ago that in Sims 2 you can also have a real state agency. You buy a community lot, and you get a ownership title in your inventory. You can place these in a business and mark them for sale as you would any other item and basically sell the lot to another sim. It's quite lucrative, but requires a lot of investment. I never saw anyone talking about this, so I'm not sure if it's a well known feature, but for anyone out there that didn't know this, have fun!
So, just finished the video and once again the sims 2 is superior in every way. It reminds me that I need to play it more often the way it works like a time management game the fact you can make a store out of anything a café a bakery, even a club. It really adds to the limitless possibilities the Sims was known for in it's early days and I never played it until last year. As for sims 4 disappointing beyond belief it shouldn't bother me that the things a sims buys doesn't show up in it's inventory but it does. It's a great attention to detail and as someone who likes realistic game play it's sad that I need to be playing that Sim to make sure what I buy is in there inventory. Proving once again that the sims 4 is a lazy crash grab and the players/ modders shouldn't need to fix a game a triple a company is making.
@@RainbowMilk1996 i suggest to play sims 2! it works on low end computers (idk about sims 3.. you may need mods to make it less laggy but its still a good game
Sims 2 was my first ever video game I ever played so I was very young playing it And I don't remember much about it. The Sims games I've played are Sims 2, Sims 3(PS3), Sims 4 and Sims 3 medieval
Girl... You're just so right! I'm so emotional right now and wanna cry cause there is someone thinking the same things i was thinking. They just release a pack without thinking a gameplay.
To me Sims 2 just felt like one of the most engaging Sims game of them all. The constant random events and severe consequences make sure I'm never bored with it. Though there are ways to break the game like having the elixer of life can easily allow you to have immortal sims.
If I remember correctly, you can *kind of* have a home business by first purchasing your home lot, and then a retail lot. From there you can make the retail lot a livable location, but you’ll still own and pay taxes on your home lot. I share your frustrations. 😤 My partner is a dev (definitely not for The Sims), and he’s constantly shocked at how many issues the game has. I’ve got a lot of opinions about this that I won’t waste anyone’s time with lmao.
That is a workaround you can use, but I don't like it either because then you basically own a separate home lot for nothing. And real estate is precious in Sims 4! I would love to hear from a game dev their opinions on The Sims 4! LOL
i downloaded a super cute bakery from the gallery, it was winter time so i had holiday music playing and had my sim bake a bunch of winter cakes. the windows were all clouded up from snow and the whole situation felt so charming but then i opened the store and omg it just killed the vibe. there was just a huge group of sims standing in the middle of the store doing nothing for hours, that was the first and last time i ever played with the retail stuff
In the Sims 2, I ran a home business as a grocery store. I had flowers, cakes and other random ish. The icing on the cake was that there was an entrance fee. My Sim was EATING WELL
I hate that there's so much stuff to do in the game, but no motivation for the sims to do any of it. They don't have wishes to level up skills or perform skill actions. They don't have wishes towards specific sims. They don't have whims related to specific careers even! It feels like everyone has depression because they are so lacking in motivation. The only way to simulate internal motivation is to change aspirations. However there's only about four of those and hardly any of them correlate to careers or to skills. So I'm working on custom aspirations based on the TS3 base game aspirations, just going through each job and combination of skills trying to figure out how to structure it... TS4 feels like playing with dolls. TS2 and 3 feel like you're guiding a family or a world. I told my husband the other day that I know that TS4 is a sandbox game, but I didn't know I'd have to make my own shovel.
@Foxglove If I ever finish or release these things, I'm gonna be shouting it from the rooftops! I've got a list of about 40 ideas and about 15 sussed out in detail, but I haven't begun the programming or anything
But they totally do have skill related and specific sim related whims, what are you talking about? The writer sim I played today constantly had whims to level up writing skill, start a new book, finish a book, publish a book. He also managed to chose a girlfriend all by himself, he had all the whims to flirt with that girl, talk to her, kiss her, go steady with her. I kinda tried to pair him with someone else, but nope, he rolled his whims for that particular girl, so ok, I let my sims get what their want. He also whanted to have a job and earn the promotions. If your sims never roll whims like that, it's a bug.
I personally didnt like the fact that in TS2 your PC actually bought things. I had a toy shop and was really good at selling everything until several PCs complained that they couldn't afford anything i offered. I had accidentally spent their entire money on toys and they didnt even have kids sometimes 😅 but after you explained how you play i definitely can see the apeal. Id love the option to turn purchases on and off in the settings. Watching your videos made me realize how much i miss TS2. I got TS3 bc after 16 years i felt i deserved an upgrade and i really like build and buy mode, cas and the traits system but some things were just better in TS2. I still dont understand why im paying my fridge to cook food. Or why my dresser has all outfits in the world. Its a game, yes, but its still a life simulation and i miss sending my newly aged up teen to a community lot to get a new outfit.
I have a huge list if things I can't stand about TS4. But I agree with you, I like for my Sims to run stores and restaurants but they are so buggy, it's just unplayable
EA knows people will buy it anyway so why put actual effort in? I stopped buying after TS3 Ambitions or whatever it was called. TS4 seems 100x worse though.
@@SaraL-ul3mp man there are such great expansions for 3 that you missed out on. Island Paradise for example. But yeah Sims 4 is a dissapointing mess :/
The Sims: first-ever Sim series, ground-breaking The Sims 2: major point was aspirations, aging and generations; a lot of gameplay and little details and surprises The Sims 3: open world and Create-A-Style The Sims 4: emotions, beautiful graphics, really cool Build/Buy functions
Sims 2 open business is a better business then sims 4! I'm pretty pissed that I cannot run my home business that sells antics & trinkets and there a cluster of sims standing in the corner doing nothing and getting pissed of for no reason because I can't interact with them and too busy talking to other sims besides me! 😒
OFB is my favorite of all the expansion packs and I used to not even play it because I thought I didn't care about businesses. My favorite way to use the ticket machine is to plop it on a home business lot with a couple of hot tubs (the free aspiration reward ones even), a small restroom, and a grill, and lock the doors to the house for privacy. People will stay on the lot for days. Especially great for popularity sims because new friends just come to them.
What i loved the most in sims OFB, is that you could make different approaches to sale something, like risky sales where you could make a sim buy something instantly but risked being considered too intrusive and rejected. I remember having one guy in my legacy family, Christian, one of my favorites, he was very ugly but incredibly talented as a salesman, he never failed risky sales even when he should. I enjoyed having a family business in sims 2 and had it for generations. Running a buisiness in sims 4 is just so simplified, so dull. I tried it only once, i ran a retail store for an hour, and then i sold it, and never ever did it again.
the simulation within a simulation thing reminded me of university when your roommate's boyfriend/girlfriend visits but then when you interact with them they say they're single :/ it's all so fake in the sims 4
I just have to say how much I LOVE seeing someone not just playing TS2 but playing a modded version too! Clean UI, skylines! On UA-cam I pretty much only see vanilla game examples, but the reality for people who still play TS2 (like me!) is usually a modded and updated game that looks and feels so much richer! ☺️
Wait. I played Open For Business so much as a child and never knew that the playable Sims would actually keep the items they bought! And they bring the pets home too?! That's amazing! I always preferred TS3 rather than TS2 or TS4 because the neighborhood felt more alive, but lately I've been realizing TS2 is just as lively if not more, just without the open world and simultaneous aging which also have been less of a deal breaker for me. Whenever I have the time I really want to get back into Sims 2.
A small tipp to get rich: if you use the ticket machine, add a card table to the business. Sims spent *so much time* playing cards, they might go broke XD
I remember making a bakery that I loved with a combo of mods for the baked goods and building. I adored that bakery in the Sims 2 and had several generations of my family run it. The Sims 4 was just such a disappointment. It felt like so many features had been removed. It was a shame that it wasn't nearly as good.
I stopped playing the Sims 4 about a month ago because of the Sims just standing around for so long! It takes so long to get them to do anything. Also, whenever I would cancel an interaction my Sim would still continue to do said action. For example, if I told my sim to go to the third floor of a building, but then changed my mind and wanted them to go to the bathroom on the first floor that they're already on, my Sim would still walk all the way up to the third floor and then the interaction would cancel and they would then walk all the way back to the first floor. It's so frustrating. And the time they take between finishing an interaction is ridiculous. It shouldn't take a Sim an hour to put a load of laundry in the washer. Thanks for these videos Cindy, they're really good!
Right? I've seen quite a few people complaining about this same thing (can EA not fix this???). I'll have a sim literally standing around for sim HOURS before they do anything. I once had a sim fix their bed and they just stood there, they didn't go to work, didn't go to the bathroom, they just stood there; I had to close that save to get the sim to move again. Like, what are they doing? Or when they do the autonomous getting water, and I can't ever seem to cancel that action, so I have to just wait until it's done and it takes forever.. AND they leave cups everywhere. Eating also takes far too long in Sims 4. When I went back to Sims 3, I was shocked at how fast the sims ate, even if they were eating with other people. Showers take forever. I have to have a sim get up almost 4+ sim hours to actually be ready for work. All of that waiting and wasted time bothered me SO much.
@@BooDotBoo I know, I've had all those things happen to me too. I went back to the Sims 3 also and it's crazy, the Sims do exactly what you tell them to do. They don't stand around for hours doing nothing and if you want to cancel something they immediately stop. Unless they do some major fixes, which I doubt, then I'm not going back any time soon. It's just too frustrating sitting there waiting for them to stop/start/finish doing something.
I like ts4 graphics but ts2 seems has soul for me. I play sims 2 since last year. I added cc and mods so the game feel so alive and I love so many details in sims 2 💕❤
Sims 2's business system was honestly so good, it functioned flawlessly! Was one of the most addicted things about Sims 2. I loved Open For Business was probably my favorite EP, but honestly I didn't purchase a single pack for Sims 2 that I didn't love, I loved them all and every single one was worth the money, and was money well spent. I honestly feel like future games after Sims 2 were downgrading, because so much functionality and features missing. Pretty sad that a 2004-2009 game still has more features then a 2014-2022 game. So sad.... Sims 4 I do love the Create a sim though and it's build mode, I think the build and cas are the best of all the sims games. Sims 2 was the most realistic, had so many interactions and emotions. Gameplay was crazy, chaotic, wild and fun! AI was better, autonomy was great, you didn't have to make them do everything they freaken were alive! In future Sims games the AI become dumber and less advanced...yet it's advertised as better. In SIms 2 when needs are low they will take care of their selves, when a baby cries they automatically take care of it, feed it a bottle, change diaper, bathe it. I know people like Sims 3 so much because of the open world, which was cool. It's gameplay was good, but the Sims were so ugly in my opinion.... But so many Sims 2 features were gone in Sims 3, and same with Sims 4... some new additions like the CAS and Build are great with Sims 4... but each game after 2 felt like we were losing more features than gaining them. Sims don't have animations anymore when cooking, they used to open cabinets, so many small details. My dream Sims game would be a new Sims 2 basically with 4's CAS and Build and some of 1 and 3's gameplay features. Sims 2 animations, gameplay mechanics... more realistic like Sims 2, but with CC Cartoony could be an option, so much! Sims 2 was also the last game made by the original Sims creator before EA took over Maxis fully. It's why future games don't have as much depth or feel as wholesome.
U can make any kind of business u want in the Sims 2. I made the 7th Heaven bar from FF7 and my Sims lived in it and when u go downstairs thats the bar. I think its crazy to live technically on a community lot.
As someone from a bakery family, I remember I got so excited that it looked like you could make a cafe or bakery in Get To Work trailer where the customers buys pastry and sit down to eat. It had many cafe and bakery-related objects so I spent hours to build a large bakery at home. But then when I was done, I couldn't have a business at home like in Sims 2 so I saved by bakery and replace it on another lot and spend more hours to build a separate building around my bakery and fill the large empty space at my home. Then when I open the bakery, I got even more confused and frustratedly disappointed when the customers just buys one pastry and leaves. I REALY wish there was a bakery mod for this.
Can we talk about the retail system in the Sims 3? It is such a let down, for an open world game. I agree that in the Sims 2, it feels complete with so many possibilities. It could be much better in the Sims 4, it's not as immersive and enjoyable and is quite limited. It feels as if only the minimum was done as a part of the Get to Work EP.
SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS MY PAIN! I find that many sims players don't seem to care that much about retail or lack there of BUT I DO, I DO SO MUCH. I'm glad to finally see someone talking about this, the fact that the shopping in Sims 4 is entirely fake and for show, and that nothing a sim buys actually ends up in their inventory completely ruins the immersion! As you said, 'it's a simulation of a simulation.' Also, does a sim actually wear an outfit they buy from a store in Sims 4? I know you see them try it on, but does it actually change their displayed outfit? That was something I adored in sims 2, the clothing was an actual inventory item, you kept an inventory of clothing in your sim's dresser, and could actually put together outfits from it.
The Sims 2 smashes it once again! I actually didn't know half of the stuff you covered on TS2 OFB and I'm excited to try out retail again in my new clean hood!
I wish they would, but they don't care. They're still making big money from the shit show that is Sims 4. And as long as people keep buying it, they won't change anything.
As long as EA is making money from so many people buying the games, even when they are on sale, they won't care about fixing this game. What business would spend unnecessary money to fix something if they can keep their money and still make lots of money? That wouldn't make sense for a business, lol.
My legacy family is on generation 8. They opened a small mom and pop garden center/ produce stand. It takes all day to sell two or three things....and like you said....they don't really even buy it. So what happens?? I end up never sending my sim to their business. I just sell from inventory for money. I gave up. My sims saved up for so long to build and open a store that they cannot even use. Sims 4 is eye candy with no depth at all. All game play basically has to happen in your head...cuz it sure ain't happening in the game. So fed up with it. 🤬.
good god, I've never heard much about open for business, so seeing this video opened my eyes, you literally could make any kind of storyline with this system. You could make a simple small grocery store, or make the biggest franchise in furniture that's basically a household name. In the sims 4, it sounds so good in concept but the gameplay itself is super tedious
Honestly, while I love Sims 3's open world, I'd be fine with a Sims 2 remaster where the only fix would need to be synced time across lots and I'd be good. The base of Sims 2 is solid and the only thing that ever bothered me was going to a lot and it becoming night, but going back home and it's still day xD
You can use the community lot time mod to fix this. Works great as long as you don't send your pregnant Sims out while they're pregnant. I've had issues with that. The mod enables the passing of time on community lots to be spent on the home lot. When a Sim leaves a community lot at 5:00 PM, it will be 5:00 PM when they get back home, but you’ll still be able to play the family left behind in the meantime. Download it here: simfileshare.net/download/1191177/
It's also crazy that Get to work is I think the first expansion pack and it's full of bugs. Also I'm pretty sure that if your active household "A" visits a retail lot owned by the household B, once you load the household B you'll get a pop up that says your store was opened for hundreds of hours and you've lost a bunch of money 💪🏻
Sims 4 is like a parent’s “runt of the litter” child or a disappointment while sims2 and 3 are like the grand siblings that have success that the parents are proud of. Hope you guys understand what I’m trying to say 😅
DUDE, this is besides the point but THANK YOU for linking the simulation lag fix!!! I'm going to try it immediately!! The game is practically unplayable due to the simulation lag, I've lost enormous amounts of money in my café because it lags so much that I hardly get through any customers before closing so my employee salaries were way higher than my profits :P
I've gotten several comments suggesting that the items go to family inventory instead of the Sim's personal inventory. They DO NOT go to the family/household inventory when you are not controlling the Sims. Some items go there after purchasing, but only for the active family. I have tested this dozens of times with numerous households. Playables you do not control don't actually buy anything.
When I saw this comment plus reached the part of the video where you discussed this. I WAS SHOCKED!
I had a clothing store, designed the clothes myself so townies can look nicer but now I'm wondering if I should really sell other items other than clothes.
Since items don't go to your inventory (whether personal or household) I guess I should stick to clothes.
Wait! What if its the same issue with clothes?!?
Id suggest speaking with the modders on the Mccc discord. There are so many wonderful and knowledgeable folk there. Also the modder basemental that makes the adult drugs mod has sims who purchase the drugs also use said substances as well in the world. So it may be a lead you could follow up in. best of luck! I really want something like this as well!!
It is upsetting. I don't do retail in sims 4. I did prefer the sims 2 for this.
@@MusicLoverICI55 Yeah, I did the same thing, but with an Art Gallery, I thought the customs Art was spreading throughout the town. That's really disappointing.
@@mikisommer949 Guess they only spread through town if you load up different households and have them buy clothes from the store
"While it's more beautiful to look at, it's not nearly as functional" basically sums up all of sims 4 tbh
That's the truth! Lol
teaaaa
Ouch lol
Sims 4 be like "aesthetics >>>>>>> actual gameplay"
i find it easire to play the sims 4 because it hast better controls the 3 the only other main sims game i played (i did play the sism freeplay)
honestly they need to just make a Sims 2 remastered version and it will sell a million times better than anything they have planned now
I would love that! But I don't think it will ever happen.
Oh I wish they would do that.... I loved playing open for business in sims 2, a lot of fun....I dont like sims 4 version at all ....
When The Sims 4 came out I hoped it would be a combination of TS2 and 3 but over the years I got very very disappointed each time they ruined my childhood even more with packs and updates
Yes plz let them remake Sims 2 cause I would love to play it again
If you said remastered version with open world and realistic aging (and more current fashion and objects) I'd agree.
Honestly it's kind of criminal how many mods a person needs just to make sims 4 playable smh
EA should offer modders to work on Sims games, They deserve to be paid and we can also see that they love the franchise.
I didn't even know what were mods until Sims 4 😒
@@magnus87 Exactly. They are gonna fail at fixing the skin tones when they could just hire a modder. It makes no sense at this point.
@Jusey1 lmao what? I have almost 2 GB of cc on my sims 2 and it never crashed or anything. Maybe is something in your pc, sims 4 can work on pretty shitty PCs
@Jusey1 There's a program out there that can fix it. It's called 4gb patch or something like that. A youtuber called SfekTek does a 3 minute tutorial about it if you're interested. The Sims 2 crashes due to not being up to date with newer computers. This 4gb patch program fixes that.
"a simulation of a simulation" is the perfect way to describe The Sims 4
Journey to Batu is the epidomy of the Simulation in a Simulation not even the Aliens are real they wear costumes.
hits like a ton of bricks tbh
I was dying when i heard that 🤣
THIS is why we simmers complain. I'm an OG sims 1 player and I miss little stuff like this. The sims use to be so quirky and chaotic. The Sims 4 is graphicly beautiful, but it's missing a TON small characteristics original to the game and gets boring quick. I liked how I never knew how my sims were going to react to things. Sims 1 characters were funny and a hot mess. Now my Sims barely get mad if they are cheated on.
Agreed! It's been so watered down it barely feels like The Sims any more.
@@PleasantSims It's unfortunate! But, thanks for the mods. I just downloaded them. Should be fun for a few hours lol
And I hate being told we need to stop complaining or being "ungrateful". If you've played Sims 1 and 2, you know this game has so much it CAN do (it's made HUGE strides) and seeing Sims 4 go back in such simple ways that impact gameplay a lot, it makes you angry; it's like EA is doing everything we DON'T want when it's so obvious what could fix this entire game (it doesn't take a genius to know). I know people say this is "just a game", but for a lot of people, this has been THEIR game since childhood or teenhood and it holds a place for us. It honestly kind of hurts to see such an amazing game be watered down so much. I've been playing this game since I was 10 when I got Sims 1 and was amazed at how much better this game got each time, but then Sims 4 is just... ugh. It's decent, but it's not what we KNOW it could be.
Omg haha i remember i played sims 2 and my sims cheated in the game and that woman (partner) was gone angry when she noticed her man/husband cheated on her with an another woman, i can't forget how the sims got into fights and became enemies, good old times😂😂😂
BooDotBoo OMG I wish I could love your comment over and over. These new simmers don’t know anything about the original sims! It was SOO good. That was my life back in the day. I stayed up all night on a school night playing the Sims 2 when it first came out. Risking my life to play because my parents were strict and wasn’t allowed to play during the week. I was OBSESSED! The Sims 4 is that ex you keep going back to because you think they’re going to change, but don’t. 😂
Buying stuff in sims 4 feels like your sims is shoplifting
It really does! HAHA
I noticed that too😂😂
That's because it's the same recycled animation used for stealing. It's also used for a bunch of other things, such as harvesting. EA refuses to pay for new animations.
It's Cyberqueen13 wow I never realized that! Maybe it’s because I stopped play this for months 🤣
@depressed cockroach I have no idea if EA was given a smaller budget for TS4 compared to TS2 but I would guess that TS4 has had a larger audience and therefore a larger intake of profits. That being said it's hard to justify not increasing the budget after 6 yrs of steady profit and putting it back into the franchise. Unless, that money is being spent on other things such as maybe The Sims FreePlay, maybe even The Sims 5. That brings me to my next point which is, our money in not going into TS4 and the budget only leaves room to recycle objects with new skins and recycle animations with only adding new moodlets. Yet we will be charged to play TS5 even though we've essentially already paid for it.
I just hate that this game is over 6 years old and it still has no story progression. The lack of items in their inventory that we saw them buy is a product if that! How they ever thought to release a game that had monster progression is beyond me completely. I have played the sims since the original game and I have enjoyed every one. I even enjoyed the sims 4 at first, until I realised how unfinished and messy it is STILL. And as much as I love CC and mods I shouldnt have to use mods on order to play a game. I can play sims 2 and 3 happily without any mods and any I do have simply advance my gameplay or let me control minor things that are tailored to my play style. In sims 4 I cant even touch it without several script mods. Sadly, I dont believe it will ever be fixed.
I can't play sims 2 and sims 3 without mods, this particular problem is not sims 4 specific. Every sims game need mods. Sims 2 ans sims 3 mods are essential if you want to play a game for more them 1 generation...
@@leaselmary_sims2189 I cannot play Sims 3 without mods (mostly due to all the lag), but I have played Sims 2 without mods for many challenges. I also played vanilla for nearly 20 generations (wanted to see how far I could go, but sadly that computer fried, because all my dlc was on disks then, having to load in every time).
Leaselmary_Sims I play sims 3 with zero mods and it’s amazing for me. I’m lost in the game as is. I honestly could never do that with Sims 4.;
Leaselmary_Sims I play sims 2 and 3 without mods and it’s fun and functional. The sims 4 isn’t fun or functional. The lag I have with vanilla sims 4 is worse than with vanilla sims 3.
I didn't know what mods were when I played Sims 2. I had a disk full of CC but zero mods and it was my favourite of any Sims game anyway.
sims 2 is just chefs kiss sims 4 could never
You're right about that! Lol
Sims 4 is a chef’s fart😂😂
The more you compare you realize how much of a downhill curve the whole franchise took since TS4 arrived. How things we would get in 1 expansion pack now are split between 2 expansions packs, 1 game pack and 2 game packs.
It just sucks! I'm really disappointed with the WHOLE game, but especially retail.
I believe that the Sims 2 is the best game. Everything worked properly, even without mods, and it was more in-depth than the Sims 4. To be honest, I'm surprised that a newer version of the Sims couldn't stand up to Sims 2. You'd think Sims 4 would be the better version of the previous games, but I guess not 😒.
Tatyiana Henry sims 3 comes close but it doesn’t have the little details that makes me love sims 2 and it ditched most things sims 2 brought to the table but other then that it’s pretty good! (And the lag but I don’t have much trouble with that)
@@aspirationfailure6100 yeah, the sims 3 were preety good, but the lags make it impossible to play!! And also weird bugs , like a whole family taht stands outside a beautiful house that I built when I'm not playing with it...
@@vanilla5452 and they mostly never used updates, considering the internet wasn't that big at the time
the fact that when u ask the employees about their job they say they’re unemployed 😭😭 in vet clinics too. also mixologists at bars
If you register on that job ministry on your sim's phone, you can give them a job title. So if your sim is a vet and gets asked what they do for a living, it won't say they're unemployed
@@janel4429 yup, I did that. But the employees tho. When I go to do that and make them an active household they no longer work at the vet clinic and then aren’t electable to be hired anymore
My sim asked her fiancé if he was single and he said he was.
And once he called her to invite her on a date while sitting next to her. Those guys are either bugged or delusional
😆😆😆
1 more thing with Sims 2 that Sims 4 could never = your business has business value up to 50.000 simoleons depending on your business rank. You can sell your business and get your lot value + 50.000 simoleons!! I always buy community lot with lot value around 30k, make the business successful and then sell it for 80k 😭💓
A very good point!
I forgot how horrendous the simulation lag in the sims 4 is, holy moly. That was the reason I stopped playing the sims 4 because it is basically makes the game unplayable.
It is TERRIBLE. I am AMAZED that this has gone unfixed. How can anyone play this game without a mod to fix it?? I feel really bad for players who are new to The Sims and haven't discovered mods yet. This is what they get....It's shameful.
@@PleasantSims Its really bad, I feel like i remember reading in patch notes once that the simulation lag was fixed and it wasn't. My game was unplayable even with mods because they wouldn't work most of the time for me ):
I have tried the simulation unclogger type mods and couldnt see any difference in my game my game generally behaves for lag 80% of the time but i reinstalled the mods yesterday to see if it helps with the lag iv been getting since battu
When I was playing this game I don't even know what mods are and this makes me so sad and angry, and I thinked that was because my computer wasn't good, I in chock right now that this is a problem in THE game! For me the wrost in all this, is that the time flys and the sims loses it, at least if the time don't run, would be terrible but not so ridiculously disrespectful with the player.
I think it was a bit interesting to complain about customers not getting bought items in their inventories when inventories of other sims are something that causes a lot of lag
God, sims 4 is so disapointing about EVERYTHING. I’ve been playing sims 2 lately, and i thought like “omg, i was so used up with sims 4 poor gameplay since freaking 2014 that i forgot how GOOD a sims game could be”. And here i am playing sims 2 having the same fun as i had in my childhood, and i don’t miss sims 4 at all. Sad that i spent so much money on packs that i haven’t even played yet.
I feel you. I went back to ts3, and I was shocked about all of the gameplay.
Same lol the only sims games I play are 1-3
The sims 4 is non existent I’m hoping if their is a sims 4 it’s a great version of the sims 2-3
@@DrRisk01 I started playing ts3 again since last week for the 1st time since sims 4 came out. Eventho the loading in s3 is a bit longer but it is better than s4
Same here. I’m currently playing TS2 and I’m having a blast. It blew my freaking mind when I looked into the hobby category and saw so many items. Like holy cow. And pretty much the same thing happened in with many other TS2 features.
The only things I miss from the sims 4 are things like the vampires - I really enjoy playing with occults, and you gotta give credit where it’s due, TS4 did vampires really well. Similarly, I miss having velebrities. I also miss CAS swatches and not having to go through 6 of the same clothing items in different colors. And TS4 does have some very powerful building tools (moving rooms or the whole lot? Woah.) but honestly that’s all I can say I miss about TS4...
It’s never a good thing when this is all you can list you love about a game this big and this old... on the contrary if I were to list everything I missed from TS2......
Another ep of Sims 4 could never and Sms 2 rules and is ahead of it's time and i am all here for it 😂
I feel like this is becoming a theme. 😆
Its definitely the favorite child
It's crazy how Sims 2 still does so many things much better than 3 and 4.
Wait I‘be only played sims 4 I heard that sims 3 was the better one out of all of them. What do you like better about sims 2? I’m super interested bc sims 4 is SO boring
@@Boochieween When it comes to Sims 2 CAS is very outdated but with some great replacements for items in the game you can update your sims quite a bit ofc there is cc. The only issue i have is only two body types you are stuck with but yeah the game came out so long ago they probably couldn't figure out how to implement body diversity
Build & buy mode is less detailed from 3 & 4 but is still more then enough for regular builders and with some cheats and tricks and cc you can make great builts.
But the thing Sims 2 does best is the gameplay. Gameplay is so rich,personalities actually exist and are very much present in your sim's life. Neighborhoods are full of drama and stories,you can go for scripted events but you can also play as you wish. Not to mention you can make your own neighborhoods. Swatch system i forgot to mention is also better then in Sims 4. Also there are so many realistic details not included in the Sims 3 & 4.
My favourite packs for Sims 2 are OFB,Nightlife and University.
Did i mention that in Sims 2 you can drive cars unlike the Sims 4
The SIms 4 is purely made for builders and they half-assed every other aspect of the game. They know that objects are the easiest thing to make, so they can pump those out 3-4 times a year to keep the expansion pack income flowing. Its hard to believe that there are so many game-breaking bugs in the game still. And at least base game bugs have a chance of becoming fixed, but if your bug is in an expansion? Good luck. Those never get looked at again after they released them.
I build and do hoods and it feels like half the game is unfinished, so I'm still waiting for my sims 2 DISC to arrive bc there isn't a download anymore. I hate sims 4.
I just reinstalled sims 2 and 3 and i totally forgot sims 4 even existed. Hahah
SAME
way to go lol
@You Tube i already had the game (i bought it from a game store a couple years back) i just reinstalled it. If you want the sims I would recommend getting it on ebay
@You Tube if u have any local app to buy stuff from. Chances are they have the cd version of it and they sell it in a cheap price too! Since it's used and it's more authentic!
The other thing I liked about Sims 2 clothing is the fact that if you don't own the outfit, you can't wear it. Sims 4 you can change your outfit anytime anywhere with few restrictions. Whats the point of a clothing store then? When they released that in Sims 4 it was so redundant.
yes! In the Sims 2 they would only ever wear clothes they own and if you wanted more outfits you had to buy them! Its super annoying in the Sims 4 that any sim can wear anything. Like I'll have a sim that I want to be super girly and always wear pink but you see them walking around town in anything but. You want a sim to be goth? nah you load into their lot and their wearing a red top, yellow skirt and purple socks . They have no style!
yess! The way you could take your sim and her friends to buy a wedding dress & fancy dresses together before the wedding. That added so much realism and was fun.
That didn't bother me at first but after I made a homeless sim who only had the clothes she was wearing and nothing else. Now I'm at loss what to do when she gets more money to afford to have better clothes. I'll probably just delete some money when I give her new clothes so I can simulate her struggles more. It would have been fun to go to the store to buy new clothes like in TS2... Even if you are lazy and don't want to go to store to buy new clothes we could have online stores where sims could just order them at home. And of course you could use cheats to go to CAS and edit your sims there when your children grow up so it won't be such a hassle everytime. So it's not like it would be impossible to have both in the game!
Because you can simply just go change clothes from the wardrobe in Sims 4, made me not understand the point of laundry😕
@Baptiste L. if that's annoying you can just use cheats and stuff
I started playing The Sims with Sims 3, so I can say this without any nostalgia goggles what so ever... the Sims 2 really kicks the Sims 4's ass. I only seriously picked up 2 a few years ago when EA was giving out the Ultimate Collection for free.
It really is the little things for me. Like, when sims cook in 2 they'll open drawers on counters and "pull out" different utensils to cook with rather than manifesting them from thin air. Or the romantic interactions? Compare the stargazing interaction in 2 to the one in 4. In 2 they'll snuggle up next to each other and rest their heads on each others chests and gaze lovingly into each others eyes and in 4 they just... lie flat on the grass near each other. I guess "underwhelming" would be the right term for 4. Sims 2 just has so much more life and personality.
The main reason to play 4 over 2 is the vastly improved CAS (seriously I love the ability to swap masculine/feminine clothing preferences and gender and the like on the fly), the abundance of CC, and the improved build/buy mode. That's literally it, though. If I could get a mod that put 4's CAS, CC, and Build/Buy mode into 2 I would never play 4 again.
This retail is so bad in the sims 4 for 2 reasons:
1. This feature came off as an afterthought for get to work. The focus was on active careers and not enough work was put into the retail system.
2. The sims team don’t bother fixing the game! Almost all content they release, they don’t maintain the bugs from it. That simulation lag you mention, it’s been in the game for years! Retail, restaurant, so much more stuff are barely playable because they don’t bother fixing stuff. Just releasing new meaningless content and once it’s not working too bad you’re stuck with it.
i never realized simulation lag was a thing ,, i thought it was just my crappy laptop
Yes that’s why I stopped playing the simulation lag so baf
@@gamelagging3735 it's terrible 😭 the sims would just be standing there and doing nothing but time is passing by... aargh
it's ridiculous, with how notoriously laggy ts3 is there *still* isn't the amount of simulation lag as "made for low spec computers" ts4
The ticket machine in The Sims 2 Open For Business makes it so the possibilities are limitless. Last week I made a fun house/house of mirrors because it's October. This week I want to try a cornfield maze. Then next week I'll really go for it and do a proper haunted house.
Wow those are some really creative ideas!
sims 4 retail sucks
That's no lie!
I always play my games R2R and always sell my home grown items, bakery or crafted items in a retail store and I love it. As I told Cindy in my comments, don't put out too many items to sell at one time and spread them out. I never have lag and it works perfectly for me.
OFB was my favourite Sims 2 pack. I would play it for hours and hours on end (granted, I would use maxmotives so my sims didn't have to go home lol).
I've had Get to work installed for months, and I only recently tested out running a business. AAAAAAND it's a no from me. bored in 5 minutes.
I love the sims 2 and 3. But 4 was a disappointment for me. I play on Super Collection. The sims 2 was really fleshed out
For sure
I DESPISE the tablets, that alone is reason enough for me to not play retail in the Sims 4, are they supposed to be hip and fresh or what??? just me?
I dislike them. BUT...I could live with it if everything else worked well. Too bad it doesn't.
I assumed it was just an animation they already had and repurposed. Instead of taking the time to create ALL the animations for the register. It's a shame because it's those actions that MAKE the game a fun simulation.. it's just WORK otherwise.
It sucks because we have registers, but they are just wasted.
I guess tablets are accurate. I’ve seen more businesses using them, but of course the sims 4 half assed it.
@@wii1199 for me it doesn't simulate life at all. In Germany where I live, almost everything is bought at the register. Some of us even buy and read magazine, too. So TS1, 2 and 3 are way more realistic and offer more possibilities with not using a tablet for shopping.
The only store I have ever seen this system at is the Apple store, but that is IT. I can’t believe they based the whole system on one store’s method when 99% use cash registers!
I didn't even know a retail pack existed. That's how much I care for the sims 4 lol.
The buying simulation (or lack thereof) wouldn't bother me. I specifically installed a mod in the sims 2 to stop purchases appearing in Sim inventories, because I would just be able to sell them, essentially giving the household free money. Of course there are many ways to fix that.
But the Sims just bunching up in one place and not acting like real customers sure would steal any enjoyment for me. Do they even test their own packs?! Like...how did they release such a horrible AI? And ringing up with an iPad? What? If you're able to place a register, why can't you use it for its proper purpose ? Urgh. Anyway, great video!
LITERally, I would rather have sims pay with register than ipad! PLUS ATLEAST they should just allow both the register and ipad to be playable, so we can choose by ourselves what we want..
@@xpeachesxsimmer That would be great! You could do it depending on what type of business you have. For example, for a super market you could have them use the cash register, and at a furniture store they could use the tablet.
Girl it was the first expansion lmfao
I’ve never played another sims game before, I’ve only played ts4. And let me tell you... it let me down and I can’t even compare it to anything 😳
Ouch.
please...try The sims 2, you will love it and wont be let down at all.
Perhaps because you're young and attracked about the "new stuff". But soon or later you'll find the gems of the oldies in which, in this case, sadly, oldie are better. I'm a REALLY old gamer and for me the perfect Sims game is between The Sims 2 and The Sims 3. That's why I play a lot more the 2 and 3 installment more than the newest version.
I only started playing the sims with the Sims 4. This really makes me want to pick up the Sims 2!
I highly recommend it! It's a wonderful game!
I used to play sims 2 and it's a amazing game, i can tell you already😊👍
You totally should. You can buy the sims 2 pack that includes ALL eps and stuff for a couple bucks on ebay :)
Honestly, this video just saved me the hassle of having to own a retail store in the Sims 4. I also love the realism aspect of Sims 2 retail stores because it's actually immersive and Sims actually buy things
Yeah, when I'd have a sim own like a bakery. I'd have them make a bunch of stuff to sale and it was realistic. It actually made YOU feel like you owned a store and were putting work into it, and you weren't just watching sims run a store.
I always loved seeing a playable sim in my store and then going to play them to see what they bought!
I feel like they should have made a whole pack about this instead of splitting them up like sims 4 usually does like vets and restaurants are in separate packs!!! I like how in sims 2 you can actually use the register and sims will get upset if you don’t hurry and stuff shows up into their inventory! It is all so hood to me in sims 2 and I can’t wait to do it more in my custom hood! I didn’t know much about the normal sims 4 businesses because I only had the vet one and i don’t like that the register doesn’t do anything and the whole thing where the sims all bunch up looks like they didn’t check anything about this!! Idk why the items don’t show up in their inventories either. There is some good stuff about sims 4 businesses but the bad out ways the good typical sims 4.
It is just terrible! I don't know why they wouldn't use the same system as in OFB in Sims 4. I think they just don't care about this game and just want to rake in the money because we keep buying it like suckers. Lol
Pleasant Sims and that lag looked awful! I remember when I used to play sims 4 a little bit it happened ALL THE TIME
@@PleasantSims they definetely couldn't use the same ofb system as sims 2 because sims 4 has different lot system. Sims 2 base game has two types of lot residential and community. So you don't own store or a restaraunt, you own a community lot. Roles of the stuff and the customers are tied to the objects on the lot. Sims 3 and sims 4 shifted from this by making specialised community lots like "gym", "lybrary", "park", "night club", "cemetery" etc. And I think this is why sims 3 didn't tried to do a business expansion pack. Because since sims 3 every community lot has a type so every business lot has to be a type of business. They can't give us a customisable sims 2 style business anymore. They can only introduce new types of businesses, like hotels in sims 3 and restaraunts in sims 4. Which would be totally fine if they would have done better jobs with the retail stores. Restaraunts and vets are nice. You have customer ratings, reviews, you have to train your employes, perks are specific to that type of business, further customisation. So when I want to play business in sims 4 I open a restataunt, they are clother to ofb.
They split packs to get more money
niaraa yea I already knew that
Ow I totally forgot that the Sims 2 had home buisnesses - I would looove that for the Sims 4... like imagine the artist Sims could have a real home studio with a lil incorporated gallery :'(
All the missed opportunities...
And yes, the lag is REAL (especially restaurants!)
I cannot express to you how good it makes me feel to see a person other than myself who weaves these complex interconnected storylines for all of my townies even if they’re literally not doing anything but showing up in th background of my sims’ stories
This was definitely a classic example of "Wasn't broke but fixed it anyways" Progress!
so I have been playing sims 2 for a long time 0_0 but I didn't know about the machine that charge for fee in the entrance.
anyway, I did try to play for a minute in the sims 4 retail, hated it, come back to the sims 2.
I guess I just hate the sims 4 from every angle. it feels lazy, unfinished and just a slap to the face.
also in the sims 4 employers that you hire are very very annoying to keep for long, cause then they always ask for a raise even if they don't do anything. it isn't a bag, some employers will just lay around until you critic them. kinda like the pats in the sims 2 that will scratch your furniture until you teach them not to.
at least in the sims 2 the employers actually did things without you need to critic them.
I don't know, maybe it happens only in my game but it was annoying to no end.
has always thank you for the wonderfully detailed dissection about this topic, and thank you for showing me new things about the sims 2 that I didn't know XD
A lot of sims 2 deco grocery items have been turned into functional food you can eat or stock fridge with
Yes they have! I haven't been motivated to change out all my stock yet, but I'll do it someday. HAHA
@@PleasantSims same here ! My grocery stores have harvestables and fresh fish . And a few more things to fill up the shelf’s 😂😊
OH MY GOD
IMAGINE A *MALL EXPANSION PACK*
like if it was as good as sims 2 expansions
you could build massive shopping centres ugh and loads of npcs would fill it omg i’m crying now
Imagine needing another 400 packs for 4, just to have the same possibilities we had in 2. They just messed up big with 4!
Literally no reason to hire employees in the Sims 4. They are so buggy and don’t do anything-just paying a sim to stand around 🙄
It's little things like this that makes me wish origin would just sell the sims 2 again TwT
Same. I think it might outsell Sims 4 at this point.
@@PleasantSims then EA should just put it out! Of they're scared people would leave sims 4 um if they do regardless they'll have more money because more people would buy the game.
@@PleasantSims Lmao true, y'know it's bad when your older game has more demand then this one xD
You can buy that mega sims 2 pack off ebay for a couple bucks. They send you a username and password to use. I promise it's legit as that's how I play sims 2. LIFE SAVER
I just bought sims 2 and sims 3 complete collections off etsy and they work perfect i think the sims 2 one was like 12 bucks and you get it in your email right away
OFB was THE BEST. I don't even get what Sims 4 retail is. I liked how, in OFB, you could have a lot that people paid just to visit or you could have a family home on top of a store you owned. L LOVED that because it's something you see in real life; family-owned businesses that are apart of their home. The businesses you could have could range SO much. People actually had the stuff in their inventory. You could hire your family to work in your store. And set jobs for each person to do. Like, it ran like an actual store. Some people didn't like when sims would get angry and leave, but it's realistic; if you're at a store and you've waited 20+ minutes to check out, you'd probably leave, too, lol. Not to mention the levels to your store, which gave you like a mini-game within the game. It was just such good gameplay. I've honestly never bothered with the system in Sims 4 because it's just so boring.
You're totally right, the Sims 2 OFB brought a new game play to the game!! I loved it too!!
People don't realize that Sims 2 that was the whole expansion, in The Sims 4 it was like 1/5 of an expansion (Retail plus Doctors, Scientists, Aliens and Detective so...)
ye and that makes it even worse... like if youre not gonna do it properly theres no point doing it at all. it felt like the 'retail' aspect was just thrown in at the last minute, it shouldve had more care given to it, or be left out entirely.
I played the sims 4 retail for one day, its all play pretend, wonky and cringe. Sims 2 is amazingggggg, it doesnt even compare.
I never got into business ownership in the sims 4 but I love it in the sims 2! Recently I’ve been playing in blue water village and I’m on the Ramirez family in my rotation and their furniture store is going so well!
Loving these comparison videos! I definitely think it is more challenging to run a business in the sims 2 (and way more fun)
It definitely is more challenging, but so much more rewarding! And fun!
The Sims 2 OFB is what I expected The Sims 4 Get to Work to be, partially. I knew the active jobs were going to be a part of it, but when I saw retail was a thing, I figured "oh so it's gonna be OFB again, sweet" and then that went to "um... what is this?" Sure, the tablet is more modern, so I could see that (though that's not a thing irl so it really makes no sense), but other than that, running a store in Sims 4 is boring and I hate having no control over my employees. Being able to give them specific tasks makes perfect sense. I guess you could argue that the fixed roles are a thing, but so often they just do what they want. I don't know, it just doesn't feel the same. It's always the same with the new stuff in Sims 4: "Oh, this is cool... let's try it" *plays for a few hours* "...bored now."
The worst part is that the formula was already there! They just had to copy it. But yeah, I guess EA just hates things that aren't corner-cutting messes.
They have corner-cut this game into absolute garbage. I am just astonished at some of the things that have gone unfixed in this game, but retail is one of the worst features. Such potential but so poorly executed.
Well, I will say that some stores, very few, have tablets. The main ones I can think of are the Apple Store and the Comcast store in my area... one of the Walmarts used to have someone who would walk through the long lines and ring people up with a tablet, but it stopped earlier this year, because of covid.. Other than that, I've never seen them in any store because, even if it's modern, it would take way too long for a few people to come up to everyone with their tablet. They'd have to hire a BUNCH of people for it to work well. And as I mentioned before, with covid, that close interaction to so many people would probably be discouraged.
@@BooDotBoo Oh ok, so it does exist. And yeah, it's obvious they'd put such close interaction on hold. But yeah, it'd be unrealistic and far more difficult for any store bigger than having 3-4 customers at once, which is truly a case in Sims 4. It's probably why you're more likely to make the waiting customers angry. So I think I'll stick with my "unnecessary corner cutting" thought on how the process works. Though I'd think programming the tablet would have been harder than just having the cash register do everything. Then again, I'm no programmer.
I love OFB! It's definitely one of my favorite sims expansion packs of all time! I love how you can sell pretty much anything and all of the little details it offers!
I found out a while ago that in Sims 2 you can also have a real state agency. You buy a community lot, and you get a ownership title in your inventory. You can place these in a business and mark them for sale as you would any other item and basically sell the lot to another sim. It's quite lucrative, but requires a lot of investment.
I never saw anyone talking about this, so I'm not sure if it's a well known feature, but for anyone out there that didn't know this, have fun!
So, just finished the video and once again the sims 2 is superior in every way. It reminds me that I need to play it more often the way it works like a time management game the fact you can make a store out of anything a café a bakery, even a club. It really adds to the limitless possibilities the Sims was known for in it's early days and I never played it until last year. As for sims 4 disappointing beyond belief it shouldn't bother me that the things a sims buys doesn't show up in it's inventory but it does. It's a great attention to detail and as someone who likes realistic game play it's sad that I need to be playing that Sim to make sure what I buy is in there inventory. Proving once again that the sims 4 is a lazy crash grab and the players/ modders shouldn't need to fix a game a triple a company is making.
I honestly never got into the business aspect in sims 2, it actually looks awesome, I need to do it.
Man, Sims 4 feels so lacking after seeing gameplay of Sims 2 or even Sims 3. Sad thing is Sims 4 was my first game.
You can still start playing Sims 2 and/or 3. They are still good games
@@MimiWalburga true
@@RainbowMilk1996 i suggest to play sims 2! it works on low end computers (idk about sims 3.. you may need mods to make it less laggy but its still a good game
Sims 2 was the first game I ever played and to this day I still play it (as well as the sims 3) but the sims 4 I give up on it👏🏻 love your content!❤️😊
Sims 2 was my first ever video game I ever played so I was very young playing it And I don't remember much about it. The Sims games I've played are Sims 2, Sims 3(PS3), Sims 4 and Sims 3 medieval
Girl... You're just so right! I'm so emotional right now and wanna cry cause there is someone thinking the same things i was thinking. They just release a pack without thinking a gameplay.
To me Sims 2 just felt like one of the most engaging Sims game of them all. The constant random events and severe consequences make sure I'm never bored with it. Though there are ways to break the game like having the elixer of life can easily allow you to have immortal sims.
Great video cindy!! Im living for the constant uploading, dont burn yourself out tho :)
Thanks! Being full time means I can publish more thank goodness!
If I remember correctly, you can *kind of* have a home business by first purchasing your home lot, and then a retail lot. From there you can make the retail lot a livable location, but you’ll still own and pay taxes on your home lot.
I share your frustrations. 😤 My partner is a dev (definitely not for The Sims), and he’s constantly shocked at how many issues the game has. I’ve got a lot of opinions about this that I won’t waste anyone’s time with lmao.
That is a workaround you can use, but I don't like it either because then you basically own a separate home lot for nothing. And real estate is precious in Sims 4! I would love to hear from a game dev their opinions on The Sims 4! LOL
Pleasant Sims that’s exactly my issue with it. I honestly don’t know how these things just get overlooked. They’re not small details. 🙄
i downloaded a super cute bakery from the gallery, it was winter time so i had holiday music playing and had my sim bake a bunch of winter cakes. the windows were all clouded up from snow and the whole situation felt so charming but then i opened the store and omg it just killed the vibe. there was just a huge group of sims standing in the middle of the store doing nothing for hours, that was the first and last time i ever played with the retail stuff
In the Sims 2, I ran a home business as a grocery store. I had flowers, cakes and other random ish. The icing on the cake was that there was an entrance fee. My Sim was EATING WELL
I hate that there's so much stuff to do in the game, but no motivation for the sims to do any of it. They don't have wishes to level up skills or perform skill actions. They don't have wishes towards specific sims. They don't have whims related to specific careers even! It feels like everyone has depression because they are so lacking in motivation. The only way to simulate internal motivation is to change aspirations. However there's only about four of those and hardly any of them correlate to careers or to skills. So I'm working on custom aspirations based on the TS3 base game aspirations, just going through each job and combination of skills trying to figure out how to structure it... TS4 feels like playing with dolls. TS2 and 3 feel like you're guiding a family or a world. I told my husband the other day that I know that TS4 is a sandbox game, but I didn't know I'd have to make my own shovel.
@Foxglove If I ever finish or release these things, I'm gonna be shouting it from the rooftops! I've got a list of about 40 ideas and about 15 sussed out in detail, but I haven't begun the programming or anything
But they totally do have skill related and specific sim related whims, what are you talking about? The writer sim I played today constantly had whims to level up writing skill, start a new book, finish a book, publish a book. He also managed to chose a girlfriend all by himself, he had all the whims to flirt with that girl, talk to her, kiss her, go steady with her. I kinda tried to pair him with someone else, but nope, he rolled his whims for that particular girl, so ok, I let my sims get what their want. He also whanted to have a job and earn the promotions. If your sims never roll whims like that, it's a bug.
I personally didnt like the fact that in TS2 your PC actually bought things. I had a toy shop and was really good at selling everything until several PCs complained that they couldn't afford anything i offered. I had accidentally spent their entire money on toys and they didnt even have kids sometimes 😅 but after you explained how you play i definitely can see the apeal. Id love the option to turn purchases on and off in the settings.
Watching your videos made me realize how much i miss TS2. I got TS3 bc after 16 years i felt i deserved an upgrade and i really like build and buy mode, cas and the traits system but some things were just better in TS2. I still dont understand why im paying my fridge to cook food. Or why my dresser has all outfits in the world. Its a game, yes, but its still a life simulation and i miss sending my newly aged up teen to a community lot to get a new outfit.
I loved the Sims 2 Open for Business! It was a real challenge, but not impossible to succeed. You could get so creative with it, too!
I have a huge list if things I can't stand about TS4. But I agree with you, I like for my Sims to run stores and restaurants but they are so buggy, it's just unplayable
I don’t understand how the sims get worst with time it’s crazy
EA knows people will buy it anyway so why put actual effort in? I stopped buying after TS3 Ambitions or whatever it was called. TS4 seems 100x worse though.
@@SaraL-ul3mp man there are such great expansions for 3 that you missed out on. Island Paradise for example. But yeah Sims 4 is a dissapointing mess :/
The Sims: first-ever Sim series, ground-breaking
The Sims 2: major point was aspirations, aging and generations; a lot of gameplay and little details and surprises
The Sims 3: open world and Create-A-Style
The Sims 4: emotions, beautiful graphics, really cool Build/Buy functions
another reason why I ditched sims 4 for sims 2 lol. it amazes me how EA managed to strip the personality of this game down so far
Sims 2 open business is a better business then sims 4! I'm pretty pissed that I cannot run my home business that sells antics & trinkets and there a cluster of sims standing in the corner doing nothing and getting pissed of for no reason because I can't interact with them and too busy talking to other sims besides me! 😒
OFB is my favorite of all the expansion packs and I used to not even play it because I thought I didn't care about businesses. My favorite way to use the ticket machine is to plop it on a home business lot with a couple of hot tubs (the free aspiration reward ones even), a small restroom, and a grill, and lock the doors to the house for privacy. People will stay on the lot for days. Especially great for popularity sims because new friends just come to them.
Nooo this reminds me of when I was playing as a doctor and Cassandra Goth came to the hospital and had a baby which immediately ceased to exist
What i loved the most in sims OFB, is that you could make different approaches to sale something, like risky sales where you could make a sim buy something instantly but risked being considered too intrusive and rejected. I remember having one guy in my legacy family, Christian, one of my favorites, he was very ugly but incredibly talented as a salesman, he never failed risky sales even when he should. I enjoyed having a family business in sims 2 and had it for generations. Running a buisiness in sims 4 is just so simplified, so dull. I tried it only once, i ran a retail store for an hour, and then i sold it, and never ever did it again.
the simulation within a simulation thing reminded me of university when your roommate's boyfriend/girlfriend visits but then when you interact with them they say they're single :/ it's all so fake in the sims 4
I just have to say how much I LOVE seeing someone not just playing TS2 but playing a modded version too! Clean UI, skylines! On UA-cam I pretty much only see vanilla game examples, but the reality for people who still play TS2 (like me!) is usually a modded and updated game that looks and feels so much richer! ☺️
Wait. I played Open For Business so much as a child and never knew that the playable Sims would actually keep the items they bought! And they bring the pets home too?! That's amazing! I always preferred TS3 rather than TS2 or TS4 because the neighborhood felt more alive, but lately I've been realizing TS2 is just as lively if not more, just without the open world and simultaneous aging which also have been less of a deal breaker for me. Whenever I have the time I really want to get back into Sims 2.
The lack of effort put into Sims 4 as a game makes me physically ill. These videos are gonna put me in the hospital 😂
Again, you just solidified my reasons not to play sims 4 🤣🙌🏼 also, I had no clue you could promote employees to manager in sims 2 OFB! Love that 💙
A small tipp to get rich: if you use the ticket machine, add a card table to the business. Sims spent *so much time* playing cards, they might go broke XD
I remember making a bakery that I loved with a combo of mods for the baked goods and building. I adored that bakery in the Sims 2 and had several generations of my family run it. The Sims 4 was just such a disappointment. It felt like so many features had been removed. It was a shame that it wasn't nearly as good.
I stopped playing the Sims 4 about a month ago because of the Sims just standing around for so long! It takes so long to get them to do anything. Also, whenever I would cancel an interaction my Sim would still continue to do said action. For example, if I told my sim to go to the third floor of a building, but then changed my mind and wanted them to go to the bathroom on the first floor that they're already on, my Sim would still walk all the way up to the third floor and then the interaction would cancel and they would then walk all the way back to the first floor. It's so frustrating. And the time they take between finishing an interaction is ridiculous. It shouldn't take a Sim an hour to put a load of laundry in the washer. Thanks for these videos Cindy, they're really good!
Right? I've seen quite a few people complaining about this same thing (can EA not fix this???). I'll have a sim literally standing around for sim HOURS before they do anything. I once had a sim fix their bed and they just stood there, they didn't go to work, didn't go to the bathroom, they just stood there; I had to close that save to get the sim to move again. Like, what are they doing? Or when they do the autonomous getting water, and I can't ever seem to cancel that action, so I have to just wait until it's done and it takes forever.. AND they leave cups everywhere. Eating also takes far too long in Sims 4. When I went back to Sims 3, I was shocked at how fast the sims ate, even if they were eating with other people. Showers take forever. I have to have a sim get up almost 4+ sim hours to actually be ready for work. All of that waiting and wasted time bothered me SO much.
@@BooDotBoo I know, I've had all those things happen to me too. I went back to the Sims 3 also and it's crazy, the Sims do exactly what you tell them to do. They don't stand around for hours doing nothing and if you want to cancel something they immediately stop. Unless they do some major fixes, which I doubt, then I'm not going back any time soon. It's just too frustrating sitting there waiting for them to stop/start/finish doing something.
I like ts4 graphics but ts2 seems has soul for me. I play sims 2 since last year. I added cc and mods so the game feel so alive and I love so many details in sims 2 💕❤
Sims 2's business system was honestly so good, it functioned flawlessly! Was one of the most addicted things about Sims 2. I loved Open For Business was probably my favorite EP, but honestly I didn't purchase a single pack for Sims 2 that I didn't love, I loved them all and every single one was worth the money, and was money well spent. I honestly feel like future games after Sims 2 were downgrading, because so much functionality and features missing. Pretty sad that a 2004-2009 game still has more features then a 2014-2022 game. So sad....
Sims 4 I do love the Create a sim though and it's build mode, I think the build and cas are the best of all the sims games.
Sims 2 was the most realistic, had so many interactions and emotions. Gameplay was crazy, chaotic, wild and fun! AI was better, autonomy was great, you didn't have to make them do everything they freaken were alive! In future Sims games the AI become dumber and less advanced...yet it's advertised as better. In SIms 2 when needs are low they will take care of their selves, when a baby cries they automatically take care of it, feed it a bottle, change diaper, bathe it.
I know people like Sims 3 so much because of the open world, which was cool. It's gameplay was good, but the Sims were so ugly in my opinion....
But so many Sims 2 features were gone in Sims 3, and same with Sims 4... some new additions like the CAS and Build are great with Sims 4... but each game after 2 felt like we were losing more features than gaining them. Sims don't have animations anymore when cooking, they used to open cabinets, so many small details.
My dream Sims game would be a new Sims 2 basically with 4's CAS and Build and some of 1 and 3's gameplay features. Sims 2 animations, gameplay mechanics... more realistic like Sims 2, but with CC Cartoony could be an option, so much! Sims 2 was also the last game made by the original Sims creator before EA took over Maxis fully. It's why future games don't have as much depth or feel as wholesome.
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Thank you Sophie!
Imagine sims 2 with open world... its a dream come true..
I miss buying clothes, and only have them to dress my sim, instead of going to cas, and have all the options in the game 🤷🏻♀️
Yes!!! I want to struggle after buying an expensive top in sims 😂😂
Same, that’s one of the hundreds of reasons I play the sims 2 in 2020
U can make any kind of business u want in the Sims 2. I made the 7th Heaven bar from FF7 and my Sims lived in it and when u go downstairs thats the bar. I think its crazy to live technically on a community lot.
i always love it whenever you post vids i know its gonna be a good day even if my day already wasnt that great
Thank you so much! Glad I could make your day better!
As someone from a bakery family, I remember I got so excited that it looked like you could make a cafe or bakery in Get To Work trailer where the customers buys pastry and sit down to eat. It had many cafe and bakery-related objects so I spent hours to build a large bakery at home. But then when I was done, I couldn't have a business at home like in Sims 2 so I saved by bakery and replace it on another lot and spend more hours to build a separate building around my bakery and fill the large empty space at my home. Then when I open the bakery, I got even more confused and frustratedly disappointed when the customers just buys one pastry and leaves.
I REALY wish there was a bakery mod for this.
“It’s a simulation of a simulation”....... damn, so true.
Thanks for doing this. This is the most complete review of this that I have seen highlighting all the issues.
Can we talk about the retail system in the Sims 3? It is such a let down, for an open world game.
I agree that in the Sims 2, it feels complete with so many possibilities. It could be much better in the Sims 4, it's not as immersive and enjoyable and is quite limited. It feels as if only the minimum was done as a part of the Get to Work EP.
It is really insane the amount of modes you have to use just to make sims 4 playable; like gezz. Take a shot for every time "mods" is said.
Describing Sims 4 with 5 words or less: "The Disappointment is Real"
I'm happy to have found your channel - not many people play older games or even talk about them. i'm very happy to found out more about ts2!
This makes me want to play The Sims 2
You should!
Go ahead😊👍
SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS MY PAIN! I find that many sims players don't seem to care that much about retail or lack there of BUT I DO, I DO SO MUCH. I'm glad to finally see someone talking about this, the fact that the shopping in Sims 4 is entirely fake and for show, and that nothing a sim buys actually ends up in their inventory completely ruins the immersion! As you said, 'it's a simulation of a simulation.'
Also, does a sim actually wear an outfit they buy from a store in Sims 4? I know you see them try it on, but does it actually change their displayed outfit? That was something I adored in sims 2, the clothing was an actual inventory item, you kept an inventory of clothing in your sim's dresser, and could actually put together outfits from it.
I don't think so! But I have to experiment more with this. I got kind of disgusted with retail and rage quit, but I need to look into this more.
I just downloaded the Sims 2: Super Collection for Mac! This comes with it and I wasn't really interested until I saw your video pop up
That's awesome! It is really fun. You should give it a try!
The super collection is really good,
Same!
The Sims 2 smashes it once again! I actually didn't know half of the stuff you covered on TS2 OFB and I'm excited to try out retail again in my new clean hood!
I want for the big bosses in EA to watch this series.
I wish they would, but they don't care. They're still making big money from the shit show that is Sims 4. And as long as people keep buying it, they won't change anything.
As long as EA is making money from so many people buying the games, even when they are on sale, they won't care about fixing this game. What business would spend unnecessary money to fix something if they can keep their money and still make lots of money? That wouldn't make sense for a business, lol.
Pleasant Sims like they even made a whole REALITY SHOW and they can’t fix their game🤦🏽♀️
My legacy family is on generation 8. They opened a small mom and pop garden center/ produce stand. It takes all day to sell two or three things....and like you said....they don't really even buy it. So what happens?? I end up never sending my sim to their business. I just sell from inventory for money. I gave up. My sims saved up for so long to build and open a store that they cannot even use. Sims 4 is eye candy with no depth at all. All game play basically has to happen in your head...cuz it sure ain't happening in the game. So fed up with it. 🤬.
Im only 20 minutes into the video and I'm already loving it!! Much love to you Cindy!!❤️❤️
Thank you Miles!!
good god, I've never heard much about open for business, so seeing this video opened my eyes, you literally could make any kind of storyline with this system. You could make a simple small grocery store, or make the biggest franchise in furniture that's basically a household name. In the sims 4, it sounds so good in concept but the gameplay itself is super tedious
Honestly, while I love Sims 3's open world, I'd be fine with a Sims 2 remaster where the only fix would need to be synced time across lots and I'd be good. The base of Sims 2 is solid and the only thing that ever bothered me was going to a lot and it becoming night, but going back home and it's still day xD
You can use the community lot time mod to fix this. Works great as long as you don't send your pregnant Sims out while they're pregnant. I've had issues with that.
The mod enables the passing of time on community lots to be spent on the home lot. When a Sim leaves a community lot at 5:00 PM, it will be 5:00 PM when they get back home, but you’ll still be able to play the family left behind in the meantime. Download it here: simfileshare.net/download/1191177/
@@PleasantSims Oh I had no idea about this! Thank you so much! :)
It's also crazy that Get to work is I think the first expansion pack and it's full of bugs.
Also I'm pretty sure that if your active household "A" visits a retail lot owned by the household B, once you load the household B you'll get a pop up that says your store was opened for hundreds of hours and you've lost a bunch of money 💪🏻
Sims 4 is like a parent’s “runt of the litter” child or a disappointment while sims2 and 3 are like the grand siblings that have success that the parents are proud of. Hope you guys understand what I’m trying to say 😅
DUDE, this is besides the point but THANK YOU for linking the simulation lag fix!!! I'm going to try it immediately!! The game is practically unplayable due to the simulation lag, I've lost enormous amounts of money in my café because it lags so much that I hardly get through any customers before closing so my employee salaries were way higher than my profits :P