I like hidden side mounts for holding the downspouts. I’m also surprised they weren’t using a chop saw with an aluminum blade; we nearly exclusively cut downspouts with a chop saw as the cuts are fast, flawless, and perfectly perpendicular. We also like rivets instead of screws as they leave less obstruction inside the downspouts, don’t have points to catch leaves or the like with, and just look cleaner; rivets do have 2 major downsides they take slightly longer to install as they take 2 steps drill and pop as well as being more work if you make a mistake as they have to be drilled out. In NY I can’t recall the last seamless gutter company I saw with their gear in an open trailer; in NY everyone uses either a box truck or enclosed trailer. You can get good companies for seamless gutters that cut barrel connectors in for downspouts, in my opinion the only way to do it as it directs the water into the downspouts, some companies however will simply cut a cross in the gutter bending the created triangles down and screwing them into the downspouts which allow a lot of water an easy path to flow out of the gutter and around the downspouts; I see this quite a bit around here as homeowners don’t look or know and it is much quicker than cutting barrels in. My aunts house has gutters put in by the areas top company, a company I use from time to time and check the work on, and which uses barrels on our jobs, but who apparently doesn’t use barrels on any other jobs; after seeing their work on her house they came off our sub list as well as my list of referral companies. Know the work you want, let the contractors know what you expect, and the work you get as these unseen areas can make a huge difference to the end product. It’s sad when you think you’re getting top notch work, especially when you’re paying top notch prices, over 10k, and then getting corner cutting. Don’t get me wrong you can cut some corners for savings, and when you do the customer should at a minimum be aware and at most make the choice directly; cutting corners should never be to circumvent either code or safety but sometimes quick and dirty is all they want, just make sure everyone knows what they’re getting and what to expect.
I kept having issues with a particular gutter that would clog and it was the screw that attached the downspout to the gutter that would catch a leaf and then everything when from their. Plus they just cut and bent the gutter instead of putting barrels so that also makes the opening a bit narrower and easier for clogging. I want to replace that screw with a rivet but haven’t seen a rivet that clamps that thin.
Hi Chris. Yes agree with everything you say. Wish I had your comments before my guttering was replaced/added to. They did a poor job however they did put overflow dams (not sure what they are called) on the gutters where a downspout drains onto a roof. I didn't see any on the spec house however I am sure they did. Also surprised the spec house went with corrugated downspouts and bends. I had all mine replaced with rectangular pipes because the corrugated ones looked so cheap. Bearing in mind the angular architecture of this house I would have chosen plain rectangular down spouts, but everyone to their own.
The big box stores sell white and colored rivets typically right in the gutter area; there 1/8” by maybe 1/8” or 3/32” and work great as there is little to nothing that protrudes on the side. As a note to the other comment a downspout should never be dropped on a roof; this both leads to premature shingle/roof wear and can lead to leaks especially in the winter when water can flow down and get behind an ice damn at the soffit and push up under the shingles. Shingles especially will wear out quite a bit faster under the flow as they simply aren’t designed to keep up with the water volume; just think of how Niagara Falls is slowly eroding backwards. Flowing water has a lot of power.
@@libertarian1637 I should have mentioned that my roof is concrete tiles and I live in San Diego so freezing is not an issue. Also it rains about twice a year for a few hours😞 However it looks like you are saying downspouts should never be dropped onto shingles. Isn't the spec house doing that?
I really like your point about screws versus rivets. On my house inevitably some piece of debris will catch on the screw in the downspout and that causes a cascading clog that eventually blocks the whole thing. I just might have to follow your advice and get up there and replace the screws with rivets - easy enough job to do and will stop a lot of the extra work from clogged downspouts (though not from leaves and helicopter seeds!)
I've been a builder for many years and have seen quite a fair bit of sheds. The plans in ryan's package ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxB7IXYxLzb_Ichhe45zM3Im5xfEiSp9vB have some of the nicest looking sheds i've seen in a while.
I've been doing drywall for 30 years. I'll never forget the first summer when I first started. We were taping a good size house when this box truck pulled up. I watched curiously as the guy went around taking measurements, not sure what he was up to. Finally he stepped up in to the back of the box truck and a few minutes later started walking out of that box truck with a gutter that seemed to just keep coming forever. I couldn't figure out what was going on. How was that 30+ foot gutter stored in that 12' box truck. What kind of wizardry was I witnessing? Finally I put down my taping tools and walked out to satisfy my curiosity and was amazed at the machine that turned out those gutters.
This channel needs to be in the National Museum. A lot of people could benefit from this information for decades to come. The right way to do things will never be out of date and this is a great resource of that info.
I agree. Rain chains would have complemented this craftsman style front porch better than ugly aluminum downspouts. Perhaps they couldn't be used here because of the volume of water and/or frequency of high wind?
@@andrewj5998 Usually the bottom of the rain chain is 'anchored' in a tasteful clay pot which has a hole in the bottom where the water is connected to a drain of some kind. Then the pot is filled with river rock or something similar. The chains come in a variety of sizes that can transport water.
The master craftsman’s insight/ingenuity/wisdom, is only exceeded by the smooth, concise and impactful narrative that accompanies each video. I watch these every evening and have many times woken up in the early hours, surrounded by my dogs, in front of one of our fireplaces, struggling to comprehend my immediate circumstances, followed by having to bunk in a guest bedroom so that I don’t disturb the wife zzzzzzz
I mean, it's like these boys have never heard of cutting a downspout with offset elbows to at least attempt following the contours of the front columns.....yikes fellas, yikes. If one of my guys flung two spouts on the front reveal out in mid air like that, we'd be taking them down.
yes i was looking for some thirties to jump the ledge on the front column. Perhaps EC did not want downspout straps screwed into the columns but i still would not leave the front downspouts floating. Also, i prefer matching the downspouts to the gutter not the trim but that is personal preference i think the white head elbows connecting to the coal grey gutters looks tacky.
@@fiberoptichairline yes sir; I figure that has to be the case. I've had some folks ask us to do the same but I agree, at least try another alternative
Interesting to see they didn't use levels or anything to set a slope. Hard to see if you got the "biggie size" of downspouts, but I hope you did. Everybody with the smaller size who thinks about these things regrets it. You just have so much less cleaning and less overflowing with the big ones.
@jami w Only if it isn't mistakenly pitched backwards like all my gutters were. Every year I'll get maple trees growing out of the end of the gutter that never drains, which I then have to clean. Having a level would help (I fixed it myself with a level and eyeball).
@jami w and as long as no material builds up in the gutter. I'm no builder, but I will guess there probably is a standard for slope, because you need not just flow, but fast enough flow to carry away both debris and water. (My gutters are sloped yet not enough to keep them clear or even dry. Replacing them is in the long term plan.) I think Practical Engineering has a video on sewers? Definitely has one on culverts, that I think also covers this idea.
Watching this I realized that I am too short to be a gutter installer😉 Just my opinion, “ k “ profile gutters look like an afterthought on an Arts & Crafts style house. It’s like the builder was almost finished and the building inspector or the buyer suddenly says “wait it has to have gutters on it“. Half round copper would look a lot better with those open rafter tails.
I tend to agree with you. I’ve only installed half round with exposed hanger brackets on rafter tails. Aluminum k style is a little cheesy for this application. Those end caps are terrible too. Oh well, at least it’ll function.
Hi, I noticed at the start of this video that one of the rafters was not painted and thought I would let you know in case you had missed it. I was surprised to see the workers scurrying around the roof as if they were stuck to it, it was amazing to see.
@@manillafresh57 Painted exterior, for one, will be a bear. The black painted wood will need to be repainted very frequently. It may not be as classy but there's a reason people use aluminum fascia.
Appreciate the theory of operation, the amount of planning and the importance of a quality job for long lasting performance. Just wondering how the upper gutters connect to the lower ones without eventually staining the shingles in between
Sometimes we run the upper down spout all the way into the lower gutter. However this option is ugly and extremely time consuming in a labor driven business. The best thing to is get a premium new shingle roof at the same time you get the gutter. Some shingles have copper inside to keep moss from growing.
In Scotland where negativity can be an art form, watch out if you show your neighbour your new painterwork. He's bound to say, "You missed a bit!" But I saw what you saw and my reaction was OUCH!
I saw that and wondered if they were going to wrap it with an aluminum flashing. Maybe not, they did paint the rest of the exposed rafters black after I thought about it.
Really enjoyed this one. The downspout on the Front side downhill end would have looked a bit better with a nice thick chain straight down. I imagine looking out into that beautiful paoramic view would benifit from such an addition. Just my opinion
Wow what a flood of memories back in 1978 I worked at a place called watertight industries we made rollform machines for gutters four and 6 inch we also made downspout machines and elbow machines, at one point the boss asked me if I could program his computer to make the rollers that formed the downspout and the gutter. (sometime before that my father told me if anybody ever ask you if you can do anything say yes the worst they can do is fire you if they find out different) so long story short I learned how to program I wrote all the programs and the rest is history.
Hmm I missed that detail. I agree would look awful. I have spouts on two of my pillars but they are at the back of the house so don't show that badly. However I still don't like them. I had then replaced with smooth rectangular spouts instead of that really ugly corrugated form.
Remember guys, always install rodent GUARDS on your gutters. They will climb up them and can enter your house from roof top vents. Seal everything up with rodent barb wire.
You are right about water. And many people are unaware that Water is the most powerful force upon this Beautiful Earth we live upon. And mankind can only do its best to deal with it. Even though you do everything you can to waterproof a house. You will need to continually pay close attention to what the water does. Always enjoy the videos you produce
" Water is the most powerful force ..." Dubious claim. Water wouldn't be a force at all if it wasn't for the sun's energy which causes the rain cycle. If it wasn't for the sun, thee would be no rain and thus no water running downhill in streams and rivers. all the water on the planet would have long ago found it's way to the lowest ocean, and it would be just sitting there, not doing much of anything.
It's really unfortunate how many corners were cut on this gutter install. Dumping the second floor water directly onto the roof of the first floor is lazy and will result in premature wearing out of that section of shingles. The downspouts on the front side of the first floor columns are hideous. Very disappointing to see such a beautiful house sullied by this shoddy work.
I wish I had told Scott to install leader pipe within the interior of the columns, therefore eliminating the vertical pipe that conflicts with the tapered columns.
@@RobertBarth1 If possible have one continuous downspout and then Y-connect the lower level roofs into that. Hard to tell if the roof design would have allowed for it in this case.
@@madman432000 if memory serves the only time I installed chain instead of a downspout the chain was copper plated so it slowly acquired a green patina.
I hope they didn’t leave those front porch downspouts hanging in mid air like that. Build some brackets off the side of those columns to conceal them a little. I get that it’s easy to nitpick without being there but man if they left it like that then they did a disservice to an otherwise beautiful front porch.
I have installed the copper half round gutters. They are expensive, about $20/foot but they would look so great on this house especially after a couple months of patina.
(I've basically been anticipating this video since day one...) Wellp, as many comments as I have right now, as a life-long professional gutter guy, I will stifle myself so I don't come off like all the other whiners that have had "opinions" on every other step of your build haha!! But it looks good 👍 I hope so much that the home buyers will have screens or guards put over the gutters at least; there will be so much tree debris freely flowing into the underground drain system. Hopefully those drains don't get backed up! Thanks again for the series, clan Wadsworth! It's been a blast. Being way out here in Tennessee made the open house trip out of the question for us but it looks like y'all did great! But I gotta say (on behalf of many of us probably) I'm overdue for some EC blacksmithing videos, likely with that big 'ol pile of coal your hoarding hahaha :D
As a German I found the gutter die forming machine mesmerizing and using aluminium is quite smart, but I cringed when they fastened the pipes. Just a screw through that sheetmetal holder into the pipe. I like the german solution much more. Titanium-zink or even copper sheetmetal, everything is standardized, holders that leave the top completly free and open, no crimped and flashed end caps (it's braized in germany) and not even a single screw through sheetmetal to avoid corrosion of a steel screw in aluminium (or titanium-zink or copper).
Yeah, those front porch downspouts look awkward. I would have put a 6inch gutter there and run it all a single downspout on the right side tucked up against the siding of the house. I’m sure there is a way to do it like that and handle the amount of water flow in one outlet. And yes the upper downspout dispensing onto the shingle will wear it prematurely. Some kind of splash guard there would help.
gutter system looks cheap compared to the quality of the rest of the house. And I agree with comments about premature shingle wear on the first level due to the waterfall of water it will receive from the top story.
Well, I guess having one video, the painting guys on the roof, use fall arresting equipment was about all I could ask for. Hopefully they've got good worker's comp.
1:36 The only problem with this continuous gutter is the back of the gutter is only nominally taller than the front. If the back were an inch or more taller than the front, the gutter could only ever overflow the front and never the back where it rots the facia board etc.
1st of all I love all the videos! The problem with architectural details, is they are hard to finish with good detail. The front porch columns are one of those pesky details. Personally I would use a rainchain instead. Down into a wider disguised gravel sump, then to into the ground connection. 3x4 downspouts are not aestheticly pleasing either. For unlimited budgets, the gutter feeds into the wall to an internal downspout. Different looks are different budgets, not the same for every one.
Gutters are on my home remodel plan for next year I have installed drainage underground but I was wondering what advantages/ disadvantages of different materials such as aluminum vs PVC, and any tips and tricks for longevity especially in the northeast where there can be snow and Ice build up on the roof and in the gutters?
I'm replacing cast iron with aluminum (aluminium) ogee gutters. PVC not permitted due to conservation area rules. Although 1,000 miles further north than New York we get less annual rainfall! There can be problems with salt-laden air so if you live near the ocean ... well the sea is two miles away from me so I'm taking the chance. Also great care has to be taken with cutting aluminum. Greetings from Scotland!
Also depends where that gutter is located and if your gonna be bumping into it. I have a aluminum downspout by my trash cans and if you barley hit the pipe it bends and kinks it. Plastic will take the hits better without showing damage.
Hello, I was hoping to see how they attached the down spouts. When they installed the down spouts on my house they cut a X and bent down the edges, the opening is smaller then the down spout. Then the screws that was used to secure the two together obstruct the opening even more. I was advised to get gutter guards and I would not need to be concerned. Brett
You have to admit, you cheaped out on the gutters. So much of ths project was top flight but this work was tract grade. A builder has to make his margin somewhere, I get it, but I would not confuse this with with the term "craftsman." How you frame a stairway is "craftsman" and you might not want to sully your own master-level skill with this price-driven work.
I despise negative comments, but agree with the craftsman part. This house deserves a craftsman quality gutter installation that should have included cutting, braking, and soldering of copper gutters and downspouts. By industry standards, this is a fairly decent gutter job... sans the column downspouts! I wish I had told Scott to install leader pipe within the interior of the columns, therefore eliminating the vertical pipe conflicting with the contour of the taper and the stone work.
How can you keep so many skills at decent level? I haven’t been driving for 3 years and when I’ve gone for a short ride recently I was glad I didn’t cause any accident and I was abusing car. If you don’t use your skills frequently they deteriorate.
Love your channel and I’ve learned a lot from your contributions. One thing I would like to see is a safer execution of these jobs. There are many different options for fall protection for roofers now. Also the step ladder is too short for this job. These roof options are easy to install and provide a much safer workplace for the workers. It would be a tragedy for one of these guys to fall on the job and suffer a life altering injury after all the great work they’ve done. Consider putting out a video showing how to perform this work with the installers safety in mind. Keep up the good work and thank you for your consideration. Gus
Normally we have our aluminum gutter subcontractor add factory preformed outside caps to give it a cleaner look. Gutters are not all that great. I always use lead boots for the roof plumbing vents pipes rather than the rubber, rubber seems to deteriorate after about 5 years and the leaks begin.
IMO, the videos are getting shorter & less detailed/informative. Guess the house is done now, therefore the level of interest in producing detailed videos has gone down “Gutters are more involved than you think. Oh we have one piece. Oh the plumbing requires attention to detail”. Yes, everybody knows that!
To be fair to EC I think his wheelhouse is the foundations and framing, cladding, windows, doors, and some of the internal trim. All the other extras are being shown to us for completeness but are the specialty of other trades and in some respects it's important to witness that you can't know everything.
I think Scott also just doesn't know any of these subcontractors very well, so it's harder to get them to do anything beyond just agreeing to be filmed.
I have been waiting for this episode for a while. I've suspected for a long time that my gutters were installed incorrectly when the house was built 20 years ago. I've always wondered, and it wasn't answered in the video specifically, but how much slope is necessary in a gutter system, to ensure water runs to the downspout?
We pour water on the roof from an old plastic pop bottle, and make it run as slow as we can but definitely enough that the water runs to the downspouts. Taken off many old gutters half full of water and shingle grit. The brackets they are using won't allow proper installation of leaf guard if required, as it sticks up in the middle when the screw is screwed in. Difficult installation having no fascia. We place a bracket every foot, normally they are every 2 feet, these look to be several feet apart with no support behind the trough
@@rickcathcart2196 thanks so much for the response. So it sounds like the slope is VERY NEAR zero but not quite. It’s JUST enough to ensure that water does run!
I'm sure these boys just gouged a hole in the trough.... not sealed, likely undersized and exceptionally cheap.... as a life long professional gutter guy, I feel like crying haha But I'll just keep using properly- sized dropout flanges and doing it the right way. Oh well :P
“Any mistakes at this stage are going to be obvious” then show ground drain not planned for hook up and they have to put 2 right angles on…. Veranda down spout not planned either…. How does this get passed by inspector?
I will give Scott the benefit of the doubt. There must be a good reason the "ground drain" does not line up with the leader pipe. As for the veranda, I wish I had told Scott to install leader pipe within the interior of the columns, therefore eliminating the vertical pipe conflicting with the tapered columns.
I was wondering if there would be something more innovative than the old aluminum gutter system. As long as it works it's all good, better than having it run off the edge of roof. Same gutter system(eaves troughs) I have on my house so I'm not really criticizing.
I install for leafguard. It comes with a hood roll formed in one piece of the gutter. It really is a good alternative to the conventional K-style gutters but really only works when installed perfectly. Most of my services come after hurricanes but the leafguard system really is not designed to handle that much water
@@fiberoptichairline My GF had these installed on her house and garage and they work reasonably well, but she has trees around her house and doesn't like climbing in roof to clean out gutters. Had them for several years and still work fine. They are pricey though...
Loving this series but as a commercial contractor, the OSHA violations on this video are borderline criminal. No fall protection, standing on top steps of the ladder……
This is a residential house not a commercial job. If we all followed osha rule the residential projects would take twice as long and cost twice as much.
They should have extended those upper downspouts to not dumping on the roof. Wears out the shingles much faster and guarantees that spot will rot well ahead of the rest of the roof.
Extending a downspout over the roof is not practical, it looks terrible and would require penetrating the shingles with screws to fasten the downspout.
It was my understanding that you don't want to use aluminum gutters or flashing, if you're using a shingle with algae resistance. The shingle exudes a copper particle that will deteriorate/corrode aluminum in a matter of a few years, especially in salty marine environments.
I like hidden side mounts for holding the downspouts. I’m also surprised they weren’t using a chop saw with an aluminum blade; we nearly exclusively cut downspouts with a chop saw as the cuts are fast, flawless, and perfectly perpendicular. We also like rivets instead of screws as they leave less obstruction inside the downspouts, don’t have points to catch leaves or the like with, and just look cleaner; rivets do have 2 major downsides they take slightly longer to install as they take 2 steps drill and pop as well as being more work if you make a mistake as they have to be drilled out. In NY I can’t recall the last seamless gutter company I saw with their gear in an open trailer; in NY everyone uses either a box truck or enclosed trailer. You can get good companies for seamless gutters that cut barrel connectors in for downspouts, in my opinion the only way to do it as it directs the water into the downspouts, some companies however will simply cut a cross in the gutter bending the created triangles down and screwing them into the downspouts which allow a lot of water an easy path to flow out of the gutter and around the downspouts; I see this quite a bit around here as homeowners don’t look or know and it is much quicker than cutting barrels in. My aunts house has gutters put in by the areas top company, a company I use from time to time and check the work on, and which uses barrels on our jobs, but who apparently doesn’t use barrels on any other jobs; after seeing their work on her house they came off our sub list as well as my list of referral companies. Know the work you want, let the contractors know what you expect, and the work you get as these unseen areas can make a huge difference to the end product. It’s sad when you think you’re getting top notch work, especially when you’re paying top notch prices, over 10k, and then getting corner cutting. Don’t get me wrong you can cut some corners for savings, and when you do the customer should at a minimum be aware and at most make the choice directly; cutting corners should never be to circumvent either code or safety but sometimes quick and dirty is all they want, just make sure everyone knows what they’re getting and what to expect.
I kept having issues with a particular gutter that would clog and it was the screw that attached the downspout to the gutter that would catch a leaf and then everything when from their. Plus they just cut and bent the gutter instead of putting barrels so that also makes the opening a bit narrower and easier for clogging. I want to replace that screw with a rivet but haven’t seen a rivet that clamps that thin.
Hi Chris. Yes agree with everything you say. Wish I had your comments before my guttering was replaced/added to. They did a poor job however they did put overflow dams (not sure what they are called) on the gutters where a downspout drains onto a roof. I didn't see any on the spec house however I am sure they did.
Also surprised the spec house went with corrugated downspouts and bends. I had all mine replaced with rectangular pipes because the corrugated ones looked so cheap. Bearing in mind the angular architecture of this house I would have chosen plain rectangular down spouts, but everyone to their own.
The big box stores sell white and colored rivets typically right in the gutter area; there 1/8” by maybe 1/8” or 3/32” and work great as there is little to nothing that protrudes on the side.
As a note to the other comment a downspout should never be dropped on a roof; this both leads to premature shingle/roof wear and can lead to leaks especially in the winter when water can flow down and get behind an ice damn at the soffit and push up under the shingles. Shingles especially will wear out quite a bit faster under the flow as they simply aren’t designed to keep up with the water volume; just think of how Niagara Falls is slowly eroding backwards. Flowing water has a lot of power.
@@libertarian1637 I should have mentioned that my roof is concrete tiles and I live in San Diego so freezing is not an issue. Also it rains about twice a year for a few hours😞 However it looks like you are saying downspouts should never be dropped onto shingles. Isn't the spec house doing that?
I really like your point about screws versus rivets. On my house inevitably some piece of debris will catch on the screw in the downspout and that causes a cascading clog that eventually blocks the whole thing. I just might have to follow your advice and get up there and replace the screws with rivets - easy enough job to do and will stop a lot of the extra work from clogged downspouts (though not from leaves and helicopter seeds!)
I've been a builder for many years and have seen quite a fair bit of sheds. The plans in ryan's package ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxB7IXYxLzb_Ichhe45zM3Im5xfEiSp9vB have some of the nicest looking sheds i've seen in a while.
I was a gutter guy back in the 90s...them guys have a nice setup...great job👌
I've been doing drywall for 30 years. I'll never forget the first summer when I first started. We were taping a good size house when this box truck pulled up. I watched curiously as the guy went around taking measurements, not sure what he was up to. Finally he stepped up in to the back of the box truck and a few minutes later started walking out of that box truck with a gutter that seemed to just keep coming forever. I couldn't figure out what was going on. How was that 30+ foot gutter stored in that 12' box truck. What kind of wizardry was I witnessing? Finally I put down my taping tools and walked out to satisfy my curiosity and was amazed at the machine that turned out those gutters.
Good morning EC. These guys are so professional in their job. This house is going to have a happy owner. Greetings from Jamaica 🇯🇲🇯🇲
Amazing machine. Never knew such a thing existed
This channel needs to be in the National Museum. A lot of people could benefit from this information for decades to come. The right way to do things will never be out of date and this is a great resource of that info.
The downspouts in front of the columns look ........ not great. Oof
Agreed! I would have used cup-style rain chains for the front porch section
I really dislike the typical gutter systems. The better alternatives are rain chains and if you have even more money - hidden gutter systems.
I agree. Rain chains would have complemented this craftsman style front porch better than ugly aluminum downspouts. Perhaps they couldn't be used here because of the volume of water and/or frequency of high wind?
@@andrewj5998 Usually the bottom of the rain chain is 'anchored' in a tasteful clay pot which has a hole in the bottom where the water is connected to a drain of some kind. Then the pot is filled with river rock or something similar. The chains come in a variety of sizes that can transport water.
@@andrewj5998 Wind does factor in with rain chains
Those pre-painted gutters look sharp!
going to be some happy homeowners in the future looks great
The master craftsman’s insight/ingenuity/wisdom, is only exceeded by the smooth, concise and impactful narrative that accompanies each video. I watch these every evening and have many times woken up in the early hours, surrounded by my dogs, in front of one of our fireplaces, struggling to comprehend my immediate circumstances, followed by having to bunk in a guest bedroom so that I don’t disturb the wife zzzzzzz
wait… A MILLION SUBS!?? nice 😎
I love the way you build houses in the USA 👍
Very nice job turned out very well. Keep making. God bless.
Very nice
I’ll been whatching this videos from the beginning and are the best please keep posting videos ✌🏻
I mean, it's like these boys have never heard of cutting a downspout with offset elbows to at least attempt following the contours of the front columns.....yikes fellas, yikes.
If one of my guys flung two spouts on the front reveal out in mid air like that, we'd be taking them down.
Back to back, one ledger jumper, and 2inch double offset
yes i was looking for some thirties to jump the ledge on the front column. Perhaps EC did not want downspout straps screwed into the columns but i still would not leave the front downspouts floating. Also, i prefer matching the downspouts to the gutter not the trim but that is personal preference i think the white head elbows connecting to the coal grey gutters looks tacky.
@@fiberoptichairline yes sir; I figure that has to be the case. I've had some folks ask us to do the same but I agree, at least try another alternative
Aluminum gutters are roll formed, not extruded. Two different processes.
Steel gutters are also roll formed but much tougher and heavier. 😜
Really nice looking guttering
Interesting to see they didn't use levels or anything to set a slope. Hard to see if you got the "biggie size" of downspouts, but I hope you did. Everybody with the smaller size who thinks about these things regrets it. You just have so much less cleaning and less overflowing with the big ones.
Maybe they’d pre marked the slope?
@jami w Only if it isn't mistakenly pitched backwards like all my gutters were. Every year I'll get maple trees growing out of the end of the gutter that never drains, which I then have to clean. Having a level would help (I fixed it myself with a level and eyeball).
@jami w and as long as no material builds up in the gutter. I'm no builder, but I will guess there probably is a standard for slope, because you need not just flow, but fast enough flow to carry away both debris and water. (My gutters are sloped yet not enough to keep them clear or even dry. Replacing them is in the long term plan.)
I think Practical Engineering has a video on sewers? Definitely has one on culverts, that I think also covers this idea.
You always need a level, that's why exist the tool.
Watching this I realized that I am too short to be a gutter installer😉
Just my opinion, “ k “ profile gutters look like an afterthought on an Arts & Crafts style house. It’s like the builder was almost finished and the building inspector or the buyer suddenly says “wait it has to have gutters on it“. Half round copper would look a lot better with those open rafter tails.
actual copper is ten times the price... and hanging round is super annoying to do even if you have all the proper hangers for it.
I tend to agree with you. I’ve only installed half round with exposed hanger brackets on rafter tails. Aluminum k style is a little cheesy for this application. Those end caps are terrible too. Oh well, at least it’ll function.
I love your work.
This house is amazing
Hi, I noticed at the start of this video that one of the rafters was not painted and thought I would let you know in case you had missed it. I was surprised to see the workers scurrying around the roof as if they were stuck to it, it was amazing to see.
It looked so good until 5:36
yeah I don't what they were thinking with the downspouts out in front of the porch pillars.
Wow i was just thinking the same thing! Screwing the bracket into the downpipe! Im not a gutter guy but that cannot be right?
@@itsonlyafl3shwound actually that’s typical
Wow, id guess leaves and debris would catch on the screw internally and possibly block the pipe or cause premature corrosion? Interesting
@@itsonlyafl3shwound i think he was referring to the downspouts being in front of those pillars . Ugly
Seen every episode and I’m so sad to see it come to an end 😭
Would hate to be the homeowner who has to do the upkeep of this house. But would really like to live in it.
what upkeep?
@@manillafresh57 Painted exterior, for one, will be a bear. The black painted wood will need to be repainted very frequently. It may not be as classy but there's a reason people use aluminum fascia.
Didn’t see a level used once
man.. what a good looking house....
Appreciate the theory of operation, the amount of planning and the importance of a quality job for long lasting performance. Just wondering how the upper gutters connect to the lower ones without eventually staining the shingles in between
Sometimes we run the upper down spout all the way into the lower gutter. However this option is ugly and extremely time consuming in a labor driven business. The best thing to is get a premium new shingle roof at the same time you get the gutter. Some shingles have copper inside to keep moss from growing.
Someone missed painting a rafter tail...
Yep, 4:00 mark. I wondered if I would be the only one to catch it.
Nice catch
In Scotland where negativity can be an art form, watch out if you show your neighbour your new painterwork. He's bound to say, "You missed a bit!" But I saw what you saw and my reaction was OUCH!
I saw that and wondered if they were going to wrap it with an aluminum flashing. Maybe not, they did paint the rest of the exposed rafters black after I thought about it.
Can't be. He sold those painters so hard.
Keep up the good work!
Really enjoyed this one. The downspout on the Front side downhill end would have looked a bit better with a nice thick chain straight down. I imagine looking out into that beautiful paoramic view would benifit from such an addition.
Just my opinion
People see to many production houses being slapped together and don't realize that a nice well built house takes time and patience, nice work!
Wow what a flood of memories back in 1978 I worked at a place called watertight industries we made rollform machines for gutters four and 6 inch we also made downspout machines and elbow machines, at one point the boss asked me if I could program his computer to make the rollers that formed the downspout and the gutter. (sometime before that my father told me if anybody ever ask you if you can do anything say yes the worst they can do is fire you if they find out different) so long story short I learned how to program I wrote all the programs and the rest is history.
The downspouts in front of the columns look awful. If I bought that house the first thing I would do is tear them out and use another alternative.
Rain chains would be a good alternative.
@@justinhosmer2500 Or hidden downspouts
Hmm I missed that detail. I agree would look awful. I have spouts on two of my pillars but they are at the back of the house so don't show that badly. However I still don't like them. I had then replaced with smooth rectangular spouts instead of that really ugly corrugated form.
Definitely need some “Bluetooth” downspouts! Out of sight, out of mind!
Your friend the wheelsmith at EnglesCoachShop in Joliet, Montana, got a GoPro and did a timelapse... what a nice thing to suggest!
Remember guys, always install rodent GUARDS on your gutters. They will climb up them and can enter your house from roof top vents. Seal everything up with rodent barb wire.
You are right about water. And many people are unaware that Water is the most powerful force upon this Beautiful Earth we live upon. And mankind can only do its best to deal with it. Even though you do everything you can to waterproof a house. You will need to continually pay close attention to what the water does. Always enjoy the videos you produce
" Water is the most powerful force ..." Dubious claim. Water wouldn't be a force at all if it wasn't for the sun's energy which causes the rain cycle. If it wasn't for the sun, thee would be no rain and thus no water running downhill in streams and rivers. all the water on the planet would have long ago found it's way to the lowest ocean, and it would be just sitting there, not doing much of anything.
Its been quite some time since we have seen a mail time video
that machine... WOW
It's really unfortunate how many corners were cut on this gutter install. Dumping the second floor water directly onto the roof of the first floor is lazy and will result in premature wearing out of that section of shingles. The downspouts on the front side of the first floor columns are hideous. Very disappointing to see such a beautiful house sullied by this shoddy work.
Regarding dumping on the first floor roof... what is the alternative? Genuinely curious as my house is built the same way.
@@RobertBarth1 The better option is to have the gutter downspout run along the roof and then over the edge into the 1st floor gutters
Maybe the customers didn’t want to spend that extra money
I wish I had told Scott to install leader pipe within the interior of the columns, therefore eliminating the vertical pipe that conflicts with the tapered columns.
@@RobertBarth1 If possible have one continuous downspout and then Y-connect the lower level roofs into that.
Hard to tell if the roof design would have allowed for it in this case.
I would opt for rain chains in the front instead. Those downspouts look hideous
Especially at those nice columns out front.
@@natej6671 Even if they found a way to contour the downspout to the angle of the column I don’t think it would look good
And a rusty chain would be better?
nah. to each his/her own I guess
@@madman432000 if memory serves the only time I installed chain instead of a downspout the chain was copper plated so it slowly acquired a green patina.
Amazing workdone. Btw he looks like Scott Adkin.
It’s sure feels good to see a screw attaching to house and holder gets screwed in not something that’s gotta be drilled out to repair !
I hope they didn’t leave those front porch downspouts hanging in mid air like that. Build some brackets off the side of those columns to conceal them a little. I get that it’s easy to nitpick without being there but man if they left it like that then they did a disservice to an otherwise beautiful front porch.
It looks like crap
There not so bad......They go with the backstab outlets inside.
I was looking online for gutter parts and came across some beautiful copper gutters on homes. Absolutely incredible looking.
And gone when you come back from vacation because the tweakers have stolen them for scrap.
I have installed the copper half round gutters. They are expensive, about $20/foot but they would look so great on this house especially after a couple months of patina.
what a machine that is
These guys need to upgrade to the next size stepladder.
(I've basically been anticipating this video since day one...)
Wellp, as many comments as I have right now, as a life-long professional gutter guy, I will stifle myself so I don't come off like all the other whiners that have had "opinions" on every other step of your build haha!! But it looks good 👍
I hope so much that the home buyers will have screens or guards put over the gutters at least; there will be so much tree debris freely flowing into the underground drain system. Hopefully those drains don't get backed up!
Thanks again for the series, clan Wadsworth! It's been a blast. Being way out here in Tennessee made the open house trip out of the question for us but it looks like y'all did great!
But I gotta say (on behalf of many of us probably) I'm overdue for some EC blacksmithing videos, likely with that big 'ol pile of coal your hoarding hahaha :D
Exactly the same product I have on my house here in southern Spain.
Nice quality work. The black looks dirty. I always use white.
if I may, this gutter is bent to shape, not extruded...
but I agree this is a neat installation in the truck to do it on site.
Nice job by those guys. Is the rectangular cross-section pipe aluminium or steel?
As a German I found the gutter die forming machine mesmerizing and using aluminium is quite smart, but I cringed when they fastened the pipes. Just a screw through that sheetmetal holder into the pipe. I like the german solution much more. Titanium-zink or even copper sheetmetal, everything is standardized, holders that leave the top completly free and open, no crimped and flashed end caps (it's braized in germany) and not even a single screw through sheetmetal to avoid corrosion of a steel screw in aluminium (or titanium-zink or copper).
Die Profilieranlage ist definitiv der Klopper :)
Nice gutter !!!!!!
Yeah, those front porch downspouts look awkward. I would have put a 6inch gutter there and run it all a single downspout on the right side tucked up against the siding of the house. I’m sure there is a way to do it like that and handle the amount of water flow in one outlet. And yes the upper downspout dispensing onto the shingle will wear it prematurely. Some kind of splash guard there would help.
3:10 Except if the downspouts get clogged the gutter can overflow the front and back because the back is only nominally taller than the front.
0:21 what keeps that piece in? if the storm water main backs up..whats to keep hydraulic pressure from pushing it out?
The first problem is you hired a roofer to do your gutter install. Way different then a sheet metal tech
Curious: why no facia boards? Is it an architectural or regional functional decision?
it looks terrible like this
The savings on that gutter and downspout material adds another reason to paint the house white.
gutter system looks cheap compared to the quality of the rest of the house. And I agree with comments about premature shingle wear on the first level due to the waterfall of water it will receive from the top story.
I'm a little disappointed. I was expecting copper gutters and soldered connections. THAT would have stood out.
Copper Half-Round gutters would pop after a couple months of patina on this house.
Was waiting for this one! Handsome finishing detail.
What is the standard for distance between hangers in your area?
Well, I guess having one video, the painting guys on the roof, use fall arresting equipment was about all I could ask for. Hopefully they've got good worker's comp.
Gutters are EVIL if left unmaintained. Part of my business of fixing things that gutters hide on the fascial of the houses.
I can’t believe you brought those guys back onto your job site.
Why? What happened when they did the roof? I missed that one
Finally a gutter men video
1:36 The only problem with this continuous gutter is the back of the gutter is only nominally taller than the front. If the back were an inch or more taller than the front, the gutter could only ever overflow the front and never the back where it rots the facia board etc.
1st of all I love all the videos!
The problem with architectural details, is they are hard to finish with good detail.
The front porch columns are one of those pesky details.
Personally I would use a rainchain instead.
Down into a wider disguised gravel sump, then to into the ground connection.
3x4 downspouts are not aestheticly pleasing either.
For unlimited budgets, the gutter feeds into the wall to an internal downspout.
Different looks are different budgets, not the same for every one.
Rain chain is a great idea. I cringed looking at the front porch install
OSHA IS COMING FOR YA SHORT LADDER GUY!!!... oh and hey those extension cords are missing the grounding leg. your fine 20k :)
Gutters are on my home remodel plan for next year I have installed drainage underground but I was wondering what advantages/ disadvantages of different materials such as aluminum vs PVC, and any tips and tricks for longevity especially in the northeast where there can be snow and Ice build up on the roof and in the gutters?
I'm replacing cast iron with aluminum (aluminium) ogee gutters. PVC not permitted due to conservation area rules. Although 1,000 miles further north than New York we get less annual rainfall! There can be problems with salt-laden air so if you live near the ocean ... well the sea is two miles away from me so I'm taking the chance. Also great care has to be taken with cutting aluminum. Greetings from Scotland!
Also depends where that gutter is located and if your gonna be bumping into it. I have a aluminum downspout by my trash cans and if you barley hit the pipe it bends and kinks it. Plastic will take the hits better without showing damage.
Hello,
I was hoping to see how they attached the down spouts. When they installed the down spouts on my house they cut a X and bent down the edges, the opening is smaller then the down spout. Then the screws that was used to secure the two together obstruct the opening even more. I was advised to get gutter guards and I would not need to be concerned.
Brett
You have to admit, you cheaped out on the gutters. So much of ths project was top flight but this work was tract grade. A builder has to make his margin somewhere, I get it, but I would not confuse this with with the term "craftsman." How you frame a stairway is "craftsman" and you might not want to sully your own master-level skill with this price-driven work.
I despise negative comments, but agree with the craftsman part. This house deserves a craftsman quality gutter installation that should have included cutting, braking, and soldering of copper gutters and downspouts. By industry standards, this is a fairly decent gutter job... sans the column downspouts! I wish I had told Scott to install leader pipe within the interior of the columns, therefore eliminating the vertical pipe conflicting with the contour of the taper and the stone work.
How can you keep so many skills at decent level? I haven’t been driving for 3 years and when I’ve gone for a short ride recently I was glad I didn’t cause any accident and I was abusing car. If you don’t use your skills frequently they deteriorate.
Love your channel and I’ve learned a lot from your contributions. One thing I would like to see is a safer execution of these jobs. There are many different options for fall protection for roofers now. Also the step ladder is too short for this job. These roof options are easy to install and provide a much safer workplace for the workers. It would be a tragedy for one of these guys to fall on the job and suffer a life altering injury after all the great work they’ve done. Consider putting out a video showing how to perform this work with the installers safety in mind.
Keep up the good work and thank you for your consideration.
Gus
Pretty sure these guys haven't watched Scott's stair safety video!
Normally we have our aluminum gutter subcontractor add factory preformed outside caps to give it a cleaner look. Gutters are not all that great.
I always use lead boots for the roof plumbing vents pipes rather than the rubber, rubber seems to deteriorate after about 5 years and the leaks begin.
IMO, the videos are getting shorter & less detailed/informative. Guess the house is done now, therefore the level of interest in producing detailed videos has gone down
“Gutters are more involved than you think. Oh we have one piece. Oh the plumbing requires attention to detail”. Yes, everybody knows that!
To be fair to EC I think his wheelhouse is the foundations and framing, cladding, windows, doors, and some of the internal trim. All the other extras are being shown to us for completeness but are the specialty of other trades and in some respects it's important to witness that you can't know everything.
@@theadrum I have watched every video of this series. That is the background to my comment. If you see the series, you will know what I mean
I think Scott also just doesn't know any of these subcontractors very well, so it's harder to get them to do anything beyond just agreeing to be filmed.
All you have to do is think like water and you will be fine
The gutter in front is the column is very tricky
ruffing
Those dudes need some cordless bandsaws for cutting that gutter material!
I have been waiting for this episode for a while. I've suspected for a long time that my gutters were installed incorrectly when the house was built 20 years ago. I've always wondered, and it wasn't answered in the video specifically, but how much slope is necessary in a gutter system, to ensure water runs to the downspout?
We pour water on the roof from an old plastic pop bottle, and make it run as slow as we can but definitely enough that the water runs to the downspouts. Taken off many old gutters half full of water and shingle grit. The brackets they are using won't allow proper installation of leaf guard if required, as it sticks up in the middle when the screw is screwed in. Difficult installation having no fascia. We place a bracket every foot, normally they are every 2 feet, these look to be several feet apart with no support behind the trough
@@rickcathcart2196 thanks so much for the response. So it sounds like the slope is VERY NEAR zero but not quite. It’s JUST enough to ensure that water does run!
Good stuff. I’d like to see how they install the “drop out” on the gutter for the downspout.
My company uses a punch and hits a hole in
I'm sure these boys just gouged a hole in the trough.... not sealed, likely undersized and exceptionally cheap.... as a life long professional gutter guy, I feel like crying haha
But I'll just keep using properly- sized dropout flanges and doing it the right way. Oh well :P
@@IronsInTheFire-Official I’m really interested on how to properly install them. Please describe it to me. I dont want to mess it up.
what is the total cost for far to this build? please
Building costs are available to Patreon donors
Is the house for sale yet?
3044 NW Daysha Drive
@@domlaw1035 Not yet for sale according to Zillow, Redfin, et.al.
Exterior Precipitation Diversion System Installation Technician
Don’t like those ugly downspouts in front of those nice columns
What's with the rafter tail at 4:00 ????
“Any mistakes at this stage are going to be obvious” then show ground drain not planned for hook up and they have to put 2 right angles on…. Veranda down spout not planned either…. How does this get passed by inspector?
Yeah I'd be talking them into a rain chain. There isn't a good place for down spout or a half cap.
I will give Scott the benefit of the doubt. There must be a good reason the "ground drain" does not line up with the leader pipe. As for the veranda, I wish I had told Scott to install leader pipe within the interior of the columns, therefore eliminating the vertical pipe conflicting with the tapered columns.
I was wondering if there would be something more innovative than the old aluminum gutter system. As long as it works it's all good, better than having it run off the edge of roof. Same gutter system(eaves troughs) I have on my house so I'm not really criticizing.
I install for leafguard. It comes with a hood roll formed in one piece of the gutter. It really is a good alternative to the conventional K-style gutters but really only works when installed perfectly. Most of my services come after hurricanes but the leafguard system really is not designed to handle that much water
@@fiberoptichairline My GF had these installed on her house and garage and they work reasonably well, but she has trees around her house and doesn't like climbing in roof to clean out gutters. Had them for several years and still work fine. They are pricey though...
Thanks!
Loving this series but as a commercial contractor, the OSHA violations on this video are borderline criminal. No fall protection, standing on top steps of the ladder……
This is a residential house not a commercial job. If we all followed osha rule the residential projects would take twice as long and cost twice as much.
They should have extended those upper downspouts to not dumping on the roof. Wears out the shingles much faster and guarantees that spot will rot well ahead of the rest of the roof.
I agree,my sons house had 2 locations like this and showed signs of rot within seven years after a new roof with sheeting was installed.
It also leaves water marks all down the roof too.
Extending a downspout over the roof is not practical, it looks terrible and would require penetrating the shingles with screws to fasten the downspout.
5:36 the nuts are at different heights. Gonna have to start over or slowly go insane
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It was my understanding that you don't want to use aluminum gutters or flashing, if you're using a shingle with algae resistance. The shingle exudes a copper particle that will deteriorate/corrode aluminum in a matter of a few years, especially in salty marine environments.
This installation gets worse and worse😞
This isn't the coast.
thanks for the vid