How to Install a Rain Gutter | Ask This Old House
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- This Old House general contractor Tom Silva helps a homeowner install a rain gutter, downspout, and rain barrel. (See below for a shopping list, tools, and steps.)
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Shopping List for Installing a Rain Gutter:
- Aluminum gutter
- Aluminum downspout
- Aluminum elbows, end caps, mounting straps, and downspout outlet
- Gutter hanging brackets, for securing the gutter to the house
- Sheet metal screws, used to fasten together the gutter and downspout parts
- Gutter sealant, for creating waterproof connections between gutter parts
- Two 2-inch-thick concrete pavers, used to create a solid base for the rain barrel
- Rain barrel and diverter, used to collect rainwater
Tools List for Installing a Rain Gutter:
- Chalk line
- Tape measure
- Drill/driver
- Level
- Caulk gun
- Crimping tool
- Hacksaw and tin snips
- Hammer and cold chisel (or hole saw), used to cut a hole in the gutter
- Ladder
Steps for Installing a Rain Gutter:
1. Snap a chalk line across the fascia, creating the proper pitch toward the downspout end.
2. Measure the fascia to determine the length of the gutter.
3. Apply gutter sealant to an end cap, then press the cap onto one end of the gutter.
4. Secure the end cap to the gutter with a crimping tool.
5. Use a hacksaw and tin snips to cut the gutter to length.
6. Use a hammer and a cold chisel (or a hole saw) to cut a round hole in the gutter for a downspout outlet.
7. Apply gutter sealant to the flange of the downspout outlet, then screw the outlet to the hole in the gutter.
8. Temporarily screw the gutter to the fascia, positioning it about 2 inches below the chalk line.
9. Install hanging brackets onto the gutter, positioning one in front of each rafter.
10. Raise the gutter to the chalk line and fasten each hanging bracket by screwing through the fascia and into the rafter tail.
11. Set two 2-inch-thick concrete pavers on the ground directly below the downspout outlet.
12. Set a rain barrel on top of the concrete pavers.
13. Use a hacksaw to cut and assemble the downspout and elbows.
14. Screw the upper end of the downspout to the downspout outlet protruding from the gutter.
15. Fasten the downspout to the house with mounting straps.
16. Install a diverter in the downspout, positioning it even with the top of the rain barrel.
17. Attach a short length of downspout to the underside of the diverter.
18. Connect the diverter's flexible hose to the port on the side of the rain barrel.
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Anyone who can accurately and precisely cut a hole in thin aluminium gutter material with a chisel, such as this man, is my hero.
is that the normal way? surely not
I’m a gutter guy who professionally installs and got a few things to say is the hangers should have been installed before hand so we wouldn’t have to install it while the gutter was up. Second is he hung it really low on the left side. If it’s too low and during heavy rain it’s going to shoot over the gutter.
I’m a gutter guy too and I asked the same question. Why not install the hanger first then proceed to hang it
For a professional: Would it actually be better to hang the gutter a little higher? Better to have ice hit the gutter than hit a person, right? (E.g. a gutter over the front of a garage). And wouldn't having the drip edge overlap into the gutter help guarantee that water (both falling and from the roof) stays off the fascia?
@CloverTime419 he literally said the ice would knock the gutter off anyway. So by your logic you're now getting hit by a gutter and ice.
@@FlyingCircles my opinion on a standard asphalt shingle roof on a angle snow will stay on roof depending on angle. I seen some people get up on there roof and shovel snow off. If you have a metal roof which I have and expected the snow to take its time coming down but in this case you need roof guards to stop the snow from sliding off fast as takes mine in about a day or 2 and it is on the ground.
@@RedHatASMR he hung it temporarily so he could see where the rafter tails were. They talk about it at the end of the video.
A 9 minute video that doesn't waste any time and tells you the basics. Love it.
simply the best
Just so you know none of this is what any Gutterman does it is not the correct way to hang gutters again repeat this is a bad video to watch to try to learn how to hang a gutter appropriately
@@lukefeil9659 maybe the case. Could you perhaps give a link to a video that in your opinion IS the correct way?
@@cash5627 I'm gonna put some out along with siding vids someday but thers a channel called start a rain gutter business and he's not too bad.
That’s what I’m looking for
Such a gorgeous book - each shed is unique and inspiring, and I love all the tiny details Kotite features to help readers imagine how to create their own She Sheds ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxe9yi0sulKgsp0VJJCIrLWWkvVqcU7LFR . The feature on Dinah's Rustic Retreat is like something from a fairy tale. It's really inspiring to see how creative all these ordinary people are in making beautiful and useful spaces on a modest scale.
I’m 15 and had to opportunity to do work taking off and replacing rain gutters, downspouts, and all the gravy. Ever since then I feel like I’ve found a cheat code to earning some nice money
I really appreciated the tip of using the end cap to set the nail to snap the chalk line. I was going to wrestle with the gutter itself to do this step. Using the end cap really simplifies this step. Thank you. 🙂
In 23 years, I've never used a chalkline
I installed a gutter after watching this great video and it worked perfectly. The whole project was about 130$. Saved me a lot of money since I was planning on hiring a contractor. The only portion of the video that I did not follow was that I placed and spaced the hidden screws 24" apart on the ground and not up there while on the ladder. Thank you so much for this informative video!
Lang is such a good helper.
my Grandparents gutters had a Y or split downspout with a tip can to allow the first few min of rain to flush some of the dirt away before it tipped to fill the cisterns.
A no nonsense approach. Very thorugh, precise and concise. Good presentation. Thank you.
My father-N-law has a 5 and 6 inch gutter machine and has been running gutters scenes early to mid 90s. I’ve worked with him just about every spring summer and fall for the past six years and we have never ever run a gutter that way. We run are high as possible in hopes of staying behind the drip edge. We also live in Michigan so there’s plenty of ice and snow and we have never had a gutter ripped off from that. Usually trees and roofers are number one destroyer of gutters🤫
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I agree 100% never do that with drip edge this guy's a f****** moron
Even a small pitch , I agree as I like this old 🏠 many great ideas. Interesting Jon keeping it level as I would thing then a weight problem. Just my opinion. Doing a job now and I partly see what he means a lot.
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My roof line goes too far into the gutter area so the water over laps the gutter and spills over it. How can I fix this?
Back edge of Gutter should be installed under the drip edge so you don’t have water running behind you gutter.... if the drip edge is to short to get the proper slope you’ll need to add slip flashing
Not is, as is the case here, you are also worried about ice sliding off the roof damaging the gutters.
Just saw this. I was going to comment the same thing until I saw this.
Yes hanging gutters now, had ice damming in valley because of gutters mounted too high and drip edge was notched to allow gutter screws. It probably depends on the roof pitch and fascia size though. That said I do HVAC but asked my bud who’s a serious “carhartts are on” roofer
There’s no reason to have a gutter installed if water can simply migrate behind it… at least create a water lap so water is going into the gutter it’s very simple to do and inexpensive too
So the ice sliding off the roof now hits a person or pet or vehicle instead of a gutter… smh
Thank you Tom, and for the guidance below, as I just installed a seamless gutter on my porch remodel. Three seamless gutter places said that the job was too small, so I found a place that comes to Cape Cod once per week. Guy made up the lengths that I asked for, gave me everything that I needed, and even punched the outlet for the downspout for me, looks great against new pvc facia boards!
I ran into the same problem when I needed a 24' section of gutter on the back of a new porch roof. The local roofing/gutter companies wouldn't look at small projects like that, or they wanted to charge me a minimum fee of like $500. I ended up just using a 16' and a 10' section from Home Depot and spliced them together. Continuous is better if you can find someone to make it for you though.
@@livens100 If it was just a 24ft run plus the downspout which is another 10ft addition, so 34ft in total at what I assume the rate was about 4.50 a ft that would put you at $153. At most they should’ve charged you for that installation was 200 dollars. Those big companies just like to scam
I was wondering if you could tell me the company you used. I am looking for the same thing on cape. Thanks
I've been hanging gutters for almost 25 years this video is exactly how not to hang a gutter
I’m about to replace mine, care to share?
Lol don't see why you say that! Been doing them 20 years same way and never a problem
Well seems to have worked pretty well there, dipshit. Nobody asked your opinion
Understanding the pitch, the grade, the slope is SOOOO important 👍
This video took all the intimidation out of the prospect of installing additional gutters on my house. Tom's Boston accent is music to my homesick ears💛
Tom Silva is the man!
I think this video is awesome . Although I would not install the gutter by myself after watching it, but it helps me a lot to talk to the pro in detail to make sure they're doing right job.
He went over the pitch real quick. That is an important part of the installation. Usually about 1/4" drop per 10 feet
But where else is the water gonna go?
@@whoopem2006 If it's level, it can get debris clogged. Or little dams can form. Then you get standing water. Then you get mosquitoes laying eggs in it.
@@whoopem2006 Believe me, you want some pitch to the gutter.
Tommy is a genius with that chisel.
Man that ain’t no bull. He made that look a lot easier than it is.
Definitely flexing.
@@micahwest5347 I'm busting out a Dremel for that job. Aluminum cutting discs are a dime a dozen compared to a chisel.
Great job installing that great looking rain barrel on the side of the house. It matches the siding so well and looks fantastic, it doesn't stick out like a sore thumb at all.
Yeah, it definitely didn't match the green house. Paint it a better color.
Remember, Tom is from somewhere in Massachusetts, right? So, the people have to deal with snow. Being from California I would never expose that much of my fascia board or roof structure to any water.And, all rain gutter needs to be installed behind the metal drip edge, then sloped towards the downspout. If your gutter doesn’t have a wing or is not counter-flashed. It’s only a matter of time 2:00 before you replace your fascia boards.
He is going to be there all day if he installs like this
I really enjoy this old house episodes, so practical and very good information to consider.
Yeah again I will just let you know don’t ever try to hang and gutter yourself unless you’re a professional gutter installer the things that he’s doing are not correct
3:23 Such a satisfying length though 😂
This man loves his chisel literally every video I watched chisel is out for business lol 🤣🤣 I don't blame him though
Good video but the gutter need to be behind the drip edge so water does not get behind gutter causing fascia board, soffit, and rafter to rot. The hanger screw also need sealant to prevent water get into fascia board. Learned it hard way.
Could you elaborate? It appears there is vinyl siding against the fascia board and against the roof deck. I think some building codes count it as flashing.
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I like to mark where the rafters are on the top edge of the roof with a piece of chalk. First rain washes it off.
Very good job! You don't need to install the gutter little down to install the hangers just do it before to put the gutter up and then just adjust into the right position.
Moron! Been doin seamless guess almost 15 years n this is one of the worst jobs i've ever seen!
@Troller Skates no the screw do not have to go into the rafter tails! If they're hidden clips they have to hit the fascia board but even on open rafters they don't have to but way more often than not you would want to
@Troller Skates guess you don't know what swipe is and prob don't know the actual recommended spacing between clips is do ya? He might have thought he was logical but all he did was show his lack of expertise like ur doin
You don't need to hit the rafter tails at all. Most new constructed homes have 2 x 6 fascias. The gutter when screwed in will never come off! Even an older home with a 3/4" fascia, as long as it's sound, will hold the gutter with no problem.
Locating the rafter tails is a waste of time!
Excellent! Thank you! I trust This Old House.
You guys are great....young lady good too....helpful video... youtube is a modern day miracle
I love their little exchange at 7:08 when the homeowner chimes in with "I think it's a great idea!" Tom just replies "Alright, good," and keeps going. He's a true professional. I probably would've said "I know it's a great idea, that's why I already started doing it, and also I'm Tom Silva!"
His work is basic job in here. These hangers are flimsy and available in Home Depot.
It's all scripted man.
The rain barrel was a great addition. I'm hoping to install gutters and rain barrels off our barn. We have a mud problem and I know it would help resolve the runoff.
Rain barrels are a feel good gesture in my option. They catch such a miniscule amount of water as compared to having the drain empty into a swale in your yard
What cant Tom with a hammer and chisel.... Legend has it, Tom starts his truck with with a hammer and chisel!
Gutter guy for 6 years, I don't like this video. I have a few things I can tell you on how to make this process way easier and done correctly.
- He should've measured the gutter length from the wall to the shingles(edge of the roof). And add half an inch or inch to overhang past the edge of the roof Measuring the fascia board like he did doesn't make sense here.
- INSTALL HANGERS INTO THE GUTTER while it is still on the ground to save yourself the trouble of climbing up and down.
-Rafters that are up to code will all be spaced equally, usually 16". Measure to find your starter rafter and measure roughly 16" from there. Now once you've marked out all the spots where you have rafters you can put all your hangers into the gutter, they can be slid around if they need adjusting.
- HANGERS INTO RAFTERS IS NOT EXACTLY NECESSARY, as long as your fascia is solid and you put enough of them (I do 1 hanger every ft) then you should have no issues. For example, if your fascia is metal wrapped, finding rafters can be a pain in the ass.
-Put the end cap onto the gutter, crimp it, THEN run sealant into the seams. It'll save the mess of putting on sealant first.
- when you punch the hole for the outlet, use a hole saw attachment for a drill. But if you do it with a chisel, make it a little smaller so when you fit the outlet in, it sits snug and you don't have to screw it down. If your screws show then it'll look ugly as hell.
- By code, GUTTERS ARE GENERALLY PITCHED 1/4" for every 10ft.
- He says 60ft requires 2 downspouts, for a 5" gutter (which is what he has there), you need 2 downspouts for anything over 35ft.
-ICE WILL NOT KNOCK YOUR GUTTER OFF unless it doesn't have enough brackets to support it. Hanging your gutter low doesn't make sense. Water will shoot over or leak behind your gutter if it is too low. (Which it could be, on the side with the outlet).
- 0.24 GAUGE IS THIN material, if you want your gutter to be durable and rugged, go with 0.32. It's a lot stronger and doesn't dent and ding as easily.
That's just a few things that I saw wrong with this video... hope this helps
I'm an installer as well. 14 years exp. Everything you say is correct.
@@tical2014 I agree too. But I did like the chisel action. I'll have to try it.
Also agree completely aside from one factor... codes are a bitch. Lol. We don’t necessarily know why he did and said those specific factors such as the “ice rule” (never heard of that btw lol) but in his township it may be code to have it installed that way. Very good outline though you know your stuff, I’m a roofer but gutters is a rarity for us so it’s nice to learn a few things from you. Oh and .32 gauge is definitely stronger for the minimal extra cost they should have went with it. Home owner may have been stingy lol
That chalk line was completely unnecessary, you can just go to one end and check for a high spot. Then the downspout was ridiculous. How about you measure it when you have the pipe on the wall?? Building it when it's on the wall is so much faster and accurate because you don't need to mess with any measurements and numbers. And then drilling into the rafters is so unnecessary. You really only need to if the fascia board sucks or if the rafters are covered like they are here
I've only helped hang gutter twice. And the guy I helped has 20+ years experience. He did pretty much everything different. we put the hangers in while it was still on the ground. 2 feet apart.
Nice video Tom , was wondering where to hang the gutter , some said the gutter has to be under the drip edge and I watched many video on hanging gutters but your vid confirm it does not , I will be hanging my guttes first thing tomorrow , thanks for your Video.
It’s not clear to me why you would need it under the drip edge. Everything is already shedding water away from the wood. The only possible reason I can think is to prevent water penetrating through the screw holes made by the brackets, but that seems an unlikely occurrence.
You shouldn't place the gutter directly against the wall. If the gutter does happen to overflow it will run down the wall and straight to the foundation. As he said in the begining of the video this can damage your siding and your foundation. It's better to leave it away from the wall 1" and make sure there is a piece of kick-out flashing above. This way the water coming down the roof will kick-out away from the wall and into the gutter. Great video!
This guy is funny bro. Love it. I’m 24. This dude has style
I’m drinking orange juice. Who cares your age?
Thank you for providing this educational video for all us D.I.Y
People.
Thank you... I have a home that needs gutters and I just learned alot
I've been hanging gutters for almost 25 years this video is exactly how not to hang a gutter
@@jasonstockman3532 How is it wrong?
Icey snow will still get stuck on it pushing it off.
@@jasonstockman3532 ha! Oops. How is the better method different?
@@jasonstockman3532 yeah he didn’t even pitch it right so the water is not gonna drain and we always put the hangers in before hanging in and we don’t cut the hole for the down spout till it’s hung
So you can speed things up put all the brackets in the gutter prior to putting them up to the building, they slide very easy.
I think he was trying to line them up to the nail holes in the facia boards which are attached to the roof rafters. Otherwise you are just attaching it to the facia boards which isn't good
I like the idea of the rain barrel and its set up. That is nice. Thank you..............
3:14 - Lang taking to climbing the ladder, to another level, ,!
Thanks cameraman.
I know she doesn't need them in that location, but he should have mentioned leaf guards. I just replaced the last cheapo gutter on my old house with 5 inch copper (gorgeous), and since I have a pair of big old oak trees in the yard, I added the covers. Just this morning I noticed a guy walking on my neighbor's roof blowing out the leaves (probably mine...).
Two Chinese gutter brands I know of Hung Tu Low, Hung Tu Hi, sometimes Wei Tu Short
Well Hung😅
Personally, I find that the most useful videos for DYI folks would be installing vinyl gutters and downspouts. And not just because they are easier to install. But because it eliminates the need for purchasing expensive tools that you will in all likelihood never use again in decades. BUT, this video is excellent for DYI'ers that don't care about costs and/or really like the look of the metal components.
Personally vinyl gutters are pure crap
Down here in Florida, the vinyl gutters melt/warp in the summertime. Metal and you do it once.
@milenkosoe Plus one for metal gutters. Temperature extremes in the southern states will warp vinyl gutters.
If you're never going to use those tools again, you can sell them at a slight loss on-line or at a pawn shop.
Been there done that and vinyl gutters were a total waste of money. Even a tiny dip means that more water collects there, weighing it down and sagging further, ending up filling one place and causing them to fail. I'm replacing them with metal. Sounds like you've never used vinyl gutters, so careful about the conclusions!
I read most of the comments here. I didnt see one yet that talks of level gutters verses gutters on a slope. In my little experience regarding gutters here in BC Ive learned level gutters are superior to a sloped gutter. Reason being, this allows for the gutter to fill and drain without pushing or rushing all the water and debris to one end, as well having two down spouts reduces all the volume going down one drain tile creating an all round low maintenance gutter system. As the water rushes on a sloped gutter it sends the leaves to one downspout causing it to plug faster.
I think It depends on how often and how hard it rains in the area, and if it freezes often. In your area a level gutter might be better, but in a dryer, colder area a sloped guttter would be better.
How many downspouts per what distance do you recommend? I've read one every 40'. This one was then 40'. Would you still go with level and two downspouts? Also, there don't seem to be any trees nearby, so probably not much in the way of debris to be concerned about.
Very informative video thanks for posting. I never complain when amateurs make a video because they are taking the time to share something with you for free but I hold the The professional video makers to a higher standards. I wish that I had seen your video before I did mine because I did it alone thinking it was easy to do. It would of been helpful if you discussed how to figure in the elbows and down sprouts and us show how to properly put one end into the other so they don't leak when you're done 🤔.
Could you please explain the benefits of using screws or rivets. I picked up a tool box filled with gutter repair items and it had rivets and 2 guns so I figured that was the way to go. I had no idea what the crimping tool was for or to use it until I saw you demonstrate it. Thanks
I would use screws. If you rivet something you can''t take it a part except if you drill it out. With screws it makes it simple. Pull it apart and then place the same screw back in the hole!
If you have to pay somebody to come out and roll your seamless gutter, it might make economic sense to have them install it too.
It's generally twice the price for the install. At least in FL
He put that chalk in that crack really nicely 😎
It got a little messy
My grandmother had a nice 2600 sq. ft. brick ranch and never had gutters on it. Lived in it 30 years. No foundation problems, passed inspection upon selling. Thinking about removing ours, they seem to be causing more problems than not.
You have to look at each situation independently. Whether there is problems depends on what is happening on the ground. I have one side of my house where the ground slopes away from the house and eventually down a mountain. No problems there, except backsplash onto cinder block walls. However, after removing the guttering from 2 other sides, I have a big problem.
The one area is over our driveway/carport entry. It was a problem before because a valley meets there, and the water would overshoot the gutter. My spouse thought it was better just to remove the gutter, which I did not agree with, but accidentally ran over the gutter while it was down for painting the fascia, so that is why we removed it. The water falls on the cement and has no place to go. And there was a knot in the fascia wood. So, we now have rotted fascia and soffit, and the driveway sank next to to the carport and now must be raised. It is very costly. Plus, the water was too close to a support porch pillar, and now that is rotted at the bottom.
Another area without gutters was over a cement patio. Again, there was a problem with water overshooting the gutter. Due to no gutters and the water overshoot when there were gutters, the water ran below the cement next to the house and washed away soil, which caused the patio to drop next to the house. Now we have peeling paint on the cinder blocks, major cracks in the cement, and water standing against the foundation wall. It will be very costly to repair.
Exactly.
Gutters are a good idea, but where you put that water is also just as important. Mulch beds catch water off a roof very well.
Too many times I see the downspout empty right next to the foundation, which doesn't help.
I do this for a living, the principles are the same, but practical applications are a lot different.
Invaluable input. So very glad you chimed in. Dumb monkey
Install gutter hangars on the ground.
He said he does that so he can see the placement of the nails on the fascia board before he screws in the hangers
A very professional masters. A lot to learn from all of you. This old house is the best
Not in this case! I've done thousands of houses in over 2 decades and this is even worse than what most homeowners with no idea would do
@3:10 Thanks for showing Lang climbing her ladder instead of Tom climbing his.
Thanks for the video! Always wondered how they were hung. Now I know. I want to go do some gutters now!
The way he hangs gutters is not how it’s done. All wrong
I own a gutter installation company so I bring an obvious prejudice to the table, however, I am a fan of DIY. Most of us needs to save a couple of bucks when we can. Needless to say, I think that seamless gutters are the best long term solution. Here are some things to consider.
First, if you're not at all handy, the Peter Principle might apply: if something can go wrong, it usually will. If you have no skills you will struggle. It will take you double or triple the time estimated. Second, not everyone is comfortable with heights; a single story home may be ten or twelve feet off the ground. If you're not comfortable with heights, don't do it. Third, whenever you work outdoors on a ladder, be careful about wind, trees, power lines, etc. Fourth, maybe you can do this alone, but it will be easier and safer with two people.
You need to use the right tools. Finally, if you're elderly or clumsy, don't take a chance. You may decide a competitively priced professional could save you time and trouble and money. Hope this is useful to somebody.
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buyriteseamless good pointers but the Peter Principle actually says that people rise to their level of incompetence.
@Jerry Moody if u use the horns u see that he used to just put on the wall you could use the horns on the ladder to put it up on the roofing to install it easier
I always install the hangers every 2 ‘ as I’m running it out the machine. I install the end caps with my crumpets then caulk with geo cell . I cut an x with my chisel then fold them down to screw to the downspouts. I hang as high as I can . And I use a chop saw to cut my downspout.. but I guess this is good for tv
Aha, I was thinking to make my outlet the same way. Just tabs bent down.
I had a rain barrow under my gutter, one day I opened the lid & had millions of mosquitos I had to go buy mosquito tablets. I now use my rain barrow to collect my long-handled tools, shovels, brooms, etc.
B A R R E L
Very informative video.
I like how she waits until she’s at the door getting soaked to get her keys, instead of getting them while she’s in the car all nice and dry...
That's a woman for you.
I bought a 130 year old huge school house with gutters right underneath roof. Snow demo gutters every spring. Took em all down. (I have a steel roof with no protector bars above gutters. My garage-shop is 130 feet in length, so Ima gunna need lotsa gutters. I am going to neighbourhood hardware store and getting me materials fer my next home-covid project. Thanks fer info.
Bangs nail in. Entire house moves.
Awesome we just bought a house and one of the gutters were damaged by a tree limb.... Great tutorial as usual
I'm taking youtube college Courses , I know so much stuff now
Hey Brian! :)
Yeah but can you actually do anything?
Best video ever! Thx for posting this!👍🏼
This guy makes it look so easy!
I am always amazed at the amount of wrong information people put online. If your not sure about something ask or get the instructions from the manufacture of the product because 75% of the contractors do things the wrong way. i have made a living out of repair work. Same mistakes over and over, whether its roofing, siding or eavstroughs. There are instructions for just about every building product. You would be shocked how many contractors don't read them just install based on what they have be doing or done in the past.
For instance you don't want your eavstrough low on this job because ice will never slide off a low slope shingle roof, he has placed it to low so it won't catch water in a heavy rain and when it rains it will splash back up on exposed painted wood. rotting it out over time. For $60 he should have purchased alum fascia to cover the painted wood and kept trough tight to the rough starter.
A tin roof with no ice guards then yes you want to place it a bit low but still high enough to catch water. There is a fine line to the placement of eavstrough when a tin roof is involved. (sometimes).
As for number of downspouts per trough its not so much the length of the trough it's the square footage of the roof dumping into it, as a rule of thumb though, 50 lineal ft per downspout is a good guide.
If you have to go a long way and don't want two downspouts you can sometimes simply increase the size of the downspout.
A two foot level isn't really the best for hanging trough, 6ft is much better for getting your slope because as mentioned in another comment 1/8" over 6ft or 1/4" over 10 to 12 ft is sufficient.
With a 6 ft level you basically want your bubble touching the line on the high side of your chalk line.
Glenn Murphy are you anywhere near Milwaukee or can you recommended someone who does good work in the area - please let me know
" rough starter." ? Starting rafter in the rough framing ?
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And if you forget to do that, at least don't be a complete imbecile and stand directly under where the rain pours off your roof while looking for it.
Bazinga... have it out and ready when you walk to your vehicle in a parking lot too.
Lang is the real star here
Thats pretty cool Tom doesn't that hurt your chisel, it's sure does but that's a pretty beat up chisel anyways😂
What about the locking strip that slides under drip edge and over backside of gutter to keep water from going behind the gutter
LMAO
What about the roof drip edge or flashing? This is extremely important and it looks like you left it out
That's a problem for the roofers no?
I watched this old house as a kid with my parents and loved it! Its probably why I'm in the trade I am today. This video is a terrible example of professional gutter installation, despite it being listed as a DIY installation.1 zip clips are installed as the machine is spooling the gutter, generally 16 inch to 24 inch pending snow load.2 at 0 C you need to accommodate for expansion and contraction!3 far and few use a hacksaw in 20184 geocel 2320 is key for narrow seam sealant(looks like theyre using this product)5 no temp screws (zip hangers are installed as the the ironman spools the trough)6 nobody goes back and forth to screw the brackets on.7. from a professionals view I respect that DYI channels are respecting our trade but this is a bad example of true gutter install.
@@No_bread-and-circuses in northern US yes.
Northern Ontario.. never.
Water doesnt lie. Ice doesnt slide off shingles.. ice slides of tin... if ice slides of tin you need ice rake system.
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I have been installing gutters for over 10 years and this is not how its done. Most guys just set the level right in the gutter and check pitch every few feet. But aside from that, the ice height theory is not at all accurate, unless you plan on adding flashing along the entire length of the gutter. The back of the gutter needs to be under the drip edge or water will seep behind the gutter and drip everywhere. Thats the purpose of the drip edge! you slide the back of the gutter underneath it. then you cram the high end as far up as it will go and pitch to the outlet, if it falls below the drip edge, you add flashing.
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Well considering he's been doing it over 40 years, he's pretty spot on. Also, its fine for the application he's demonstrating. I've seen a lot of ice tear gutters right off the roof.
you pretty much summed it up
so your saying to instal the gutter level then no pitch if the entire length is up under the drip edge
That was a bad install, that gutter looks horrible. 22' of gutter shouldn't hang that low at end. Gutters need to be installed behind the dripe edge if there is one, the ice theory is just that, ice will never slide down that shingle roof.
thanks for the video, what company did you use to provide the rain gutters to your custom size?
Would it matter unless you live in the same area
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1. You gotta love that low-pitch roof section. I wonder how long that's gonna last.
2. Roof over porch...give it some thought.
3. Gutter guys are lovin' that chisel technique, etc. (But I do like Tommy overall, to be fair.)
4. I'm diggin' the chick...not too shabby.
Other videos I have watched indicate that the back of the gutter must go under the drip edge. One video with a short drip edge as in this video actually order a piece of flashing to go behind the drip edge, down and into the gutter. If this isn't don't, it appears that water runs off the roof, down the drip edge - and in the case with this video - behind the gutter and onto the fascia. Good points in the video but very disappointed in the lack of addressing the drip edge.
You would be correct sir.
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I did not see where you tucked the gutter under the drip edge or added additional flashing, Why not?
Next proyect how to replace a fascia board damage.
It always goes under the drip edge I do this everyday day
...because Tommy wanted to get to the bar before happy hour was over.
Luis Aguilar under being lower than or flush with the edge or under as in tucked under the drip edge?
@@LuisAguilar-zd8dh WRONG!!!
I’d ask this gentleman how many feet of rain gutter he’s installed . By placing the gutter so low below the drip edge and not bending the drip edge out and placing the gutter behind the drip edge water will find it’s way behind the gutter creating an unhappy customer and callbacks to the job. Concern for ice sliding off the roof is more valid on a metal roof then a shingled roof.
Put the end caps on the put the gutter seal on the inside of the gutter. Use gutter seal in a squeeze tube not a caulk tube. Rookie mistakes.
So this is where a lot of my work comes from I’ve been installing 20 years now and about every step is wrong
Yep.
How so
Judging by the jokes at the end, TOH must be using writers from SNL.
You guys are awesome thanks for the tips
Tommy always finds a way to use his chisel :-)
How do you find out where the rafters are to drive the bracket screw into, I'm guessing with a stud finder?
He saw the nail heads holding the facia board onto the rafter tails. (8:35) I suppose a stud finder would work fine if you can't see those.
@@dustinjacobsen2546 thanks
Hello and thank you for helping us :>) Now, how would join gutters on a let's say, 120 degree angle?
The same way you do a 90 degree angle. But instead of cutting your corners 45 degrees you cut them 60 degrees and reinforce accordingly.
Hi there, do all of these steps apply if one buys 10 ft gutters from a box store? I ask because you mentioned someone coming to your house and making the gutters with a machine on their truck. Thank you!
My wife overheard this video from the other room while Im watching it. She says “Why don’t you just watch the movie on the tv?” I said what movie ?? She says “what ever movie your watching that has Matt Damon in it?”.
Thanks Tommy to you I'm fateful that I can do it!
Rivet the outlet onto the gutter. Much nicer look.
Fine job guys.
He's a good teacher 👍rain barrel good idea
What if you have aluminum covering on your fascia and therefore can't see where the rafter ends are?
I know this is pretty old, but you can use a small drill bit to drill through your aluminum fascia! If you see wood no matter where you drill, there's probably a 1x6 under your aluminum so you can place your nails or screws anywhere!
We old schoolers just tap around on the roof. It sounds hollow until you tap directly over a rafter, then it sounds solid.
@@troydickey5968 ... You can also drive in a few finishing nails till you find the first rafter, then measure from there. The nails will be behind the gutter anyway so you will never see them.
@@dropndeal ... if you miss the stud / rafter with a finishing nail just move an inch till you find it. I can't think of any normal case where beams wont be perpendicular to the fascia.... unless it's a 3rd world country. (been there)
In some countries if you install a gutter with a woman, you're considered married. And she said, "I do!"
lol why is it so? whats so special about the gutter?
Super encouraging video for us newbies. Could you possibly share the diverter brand/model?
Thank you for this educational video!
I feel sorry for anyone who tries to follow this diy. Love the end cap sealing, too funny