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I got an estimate from Leaf Filter for $7,900 for 200ft. He started dwindling the price down and was at $3,300 at the end. So that tells you what their profit margins are.
I own my own small contractor company and do many different jobs, including installing gutter guards. I found the best price for the homeowner and for me to make a little bit of money, (since they are pretty easy to put on I don’t kill them on the labor as much as a much more intensive project) I charge 110$ per box of gutter guard, they are about 90$ at Home Depot, and 3$ per piece to put on. I just did a house last week that cost the home owner $440 for the 4 boxes and I charge 4$ per piece to put on. So I’m profiting about $160 per box. The average home in my area has about 160ft of gutters. The cost will go up slightly on homes that are 2-3 stories as it takes me more time to do the job. The prices I quoted are on a ranch style home. With material included it costs this home owner around $1100. Not a bad price and I made that money in about 3.5 hours. So to your point…. They jack the price WAY up and their profit margins are outrageously higher than a 3 man company can do it for that doesn’t try to rip anyone off.
@@danmorse2002 at 1100 for 160 ft thatshould legally be minimum wage Don't pay the least and expect the most.your 3 man team verse one of my best guys. Get a job and invest wiser
The last two types that you showed one in white and one in brown I have installed on my house in White. They were installed in 2007. This Is 2020 currently and they have never failed I have big oak trees and maples near my house. Leaves sticks and acorns get on the roof and get washed Down the Roof to the top of the gutters with any water drainage. What seems to be something that nobody ever mentions is that the plastic ones that have the diamond cut holes and the screen mesh on top work wonderfully if you install them correctly with a notch of an inch and a half cutout of the gutter hook end so that way the mesh can overlap the previous run of the gutter guard. The white ones have been on my house I have had tree limbs hit them little and big and with the overlap none of them have failed or broken or torn or become degraded from Sun. Are they the best option... Maybe not... However installed correctly they work Wonderful! I went around the outside of the 1400 Square foot house and check each gutter section and Joint. I also pulled off one near each downspout and looked in as an inspection. Just like you said you will get granules in your gutter... However all roofs get granules in the gutter I don't care what gutter guard you have and with a good rain the granules get washed down the downspout anyway. So for the money the white plastic or PVC diamond cut holes with the screen over top are the best ones and have worked wonders and no problems ever since 2007 I have never had a leaf an or anything else clog the gutter or sit up there for more than a few days as the wind or another rainstorm will wash them right off the gutter guard. It all depends on how you install them and how smart you are to overlap them which gives them no gappage and strength. The only things that can get through are what you think can fit through the screen and believe me I have tried to fit pine needles leaves acorns sticks, none of them go through. So 13 years in use with no issues and no replacements and no breakage installed correctly with an overlap equals happy homeowner with no clog gutters!!
@@ignited814 yes if you take the plastic diamond cut pattern gutter guards that have the screen over top of them and you cut either end left or right depending on which way you are running them. Always start at the end of The Gutter with a full gutter guard, then the next one cut a notch off the bottom of the gutter guard where the lip Clips onto the gutter. cut a notch into the clip and then behind the clip cut where the screen is bonded to the plastic nearest the gutter guard clip about an inch and a half so that way the piece that you cut out slides up and butts up to the previous. Agard and you have an overlap of about an inch to an inch and a half of screening covering the joint between the two. Nothing ever gets in and it also strengthens the total gutter guard run down each gutter. Installation for these is the same way he said in the video underneath the shingle over top of the decking tar paper or water barrier that you have on the roof sheathing period. If you have Nails close to the edge it is easy enough to put the gutter guard up underneath the single and see exactly where a nail is and cut a notch in the gutter guard in order to make it slide up under the shingle and then slide back to the front of the gutter to clip it onto the gutter lip. The ends of the gutters if you have a run that has a higher or lower and where the roof is either very close or very far from the gutter you can be more creative with the plastic because it's easy to clip with a good pair of tin snips and it is easy to bend form and even if you need to tuck behind short Corner gutter or blind Corner gutter that doesn't have much roof overhang coverage to it. These are very cheap price wise. You can buy a case for under fifty bucks to 60 bucks. And when I say a case I do not mean the single box that they sell in the Shelf I'm talkin a full case which usually has somewhere between 70 to 90 gutter guard pieces. If you need more info comment me back.
@@dsrtodd , thanks for the info, just purchased my home in Polk County Florida 👍 I'm going to give it a try tomorrow. I plan on installing them wish me luck 🤞
My shingles are stuck to the roof and they don't raise freely like this video shows. What a royal pain in the ass installing these things lol. Gotta find a way to do it alone.
My company uses SheerFlow 3 foot sections box of 50 from Menards. good quality vinyl screens with a layer of nylon mesh adhered to the top. After sliding them under the first row of shingles and clipping them to the front lip of the gutter, we put 3 zip screws in each screen on the lip (start, middle, end) and we have yet to be called back to fix a job where we installed covers in this manner. If you don’t want to have to go back and fix rejects, do it right the first time. The outlet strainer is way outdated and is just another excuse for companies to make money when they get called back to clean the debris out of the inevitably blocked gutters. No disrespect just trying to help y’all out
I have been using the plastic with mesh… it was one of the options in the table, but wasn’t showcased. I have to change them out every 4 years or so. Cost is about $150 or so. Works great for me, only takes about 4 hours to put them up. My neighbor just paid $7,000 for metal ones. Yeah, no thanks.
Are you in the south? Your gutter is too high and stops snow from sliding off the roof. The best gutter I ever had was about 8 inches across and 4 inches deep with 4 inch round downspouts. The best part was they were below dormers and I could sweep them out from the second story windows.
What your saying is true up north but here in Florida the benefits of putting gutter high as possible far outweigh the negatives (there really arnt any) but as you mentioned if you have snow this is a bad choice in my experience ive always tried to install as high as possible but that decision is made on a per job basis things like type of roof whether there is a 1x, and roof pitch can change that we also use mostly 6" unlike the rest of country
I spent a lot of money on leaf guard gutters, and they are the worst I've ever had! Really did not have any follow up by the company. Would avoid this product altogether. G.
Wished I had seen your video before I bought a plastic cover. It was cheap so I didn't think it would be too bad a problem. The covers came in a roll about 6 inches across by 30 feet long. I had a friend who said he knew what he was doing and give him a few bucks to install. He started to cut the rolls into sections a few feet long. Anyways within a week those sections started to fall out so I guess I wasted about 80 bucks. Good video.
Have had the trianglular (it's spun plastic strand, no foam) for thirty years and they still work perfectly. Probably brush them off every other year or so.
I don't like anything that goes under the shingle. Unnecessary. Asking for trouble. And I've just seen far too many times shingles lose from it. I like simple aluminum Leafguard, has drilled holes in it large enough for granules. A lip on back to screw through drip edge. But that's not really an issue but once every 20 years. Gutter can hold a little water, it'll evaporate, at least in Florida. Then again with leafguard maybe it won't evaporate like normal. And it sits recessed like a quarter inch so it drains the water nicely. It's also easy to remove if needed for whatever reason. Never had an issue with it and have installed it on 500+ houses. Only thing it has issues with to a degree is pine needles. But those are sent from Hell to begin with and either way you're sweeping the top of the leafguard off occasionally. Especially in areas that don't get sunlight, thus the leaves/debris never dries and becomes light enough to blow away. Or if there is no wind down that side of the house or whatever etc.
I made my own, used stainless screen mesh from a big roll, cut to fit and used clear uv silicone to keep it in place. Cheap, effective and hail/debris/tree rat resistant, just time and patience to cut and install it.
Thank you for creating this video . I’m a contractor and I appreciate it. The only issue I have with the video is that is a new shingled roof system that hasn’t adhered to the structure yet. Most roofs are not able to lift up the edges like you do in your video making installation much different.
Don't waste your money or time with the Huxley plastic gutter snap-in screens... They do not work ... After a few hours if you manage to get one or two installed, the plastic will crack and fall apart from the sun rays in just a few years ... (Oakland Home Inspections LLC) Metal gutter guards are the only ones that work and actually fit, and do not crack or fall apart ...
Update - the first gutter guard recommended is made very good, but it also has a serious issue in one of my customers who has this installed. The screen has actually started to become one big muddy mat. In other words, the screen is so fine that little grains of mud or asphalt are starting to fill in the screens and water is now running over those areas. For 2 years now I have gone out to her home and manually brushed the screens where the muddy matting is occurring.
Wow. I've seen a lot of how to videos and reviews, but this is one of the best ones. Great job comparing everything without selling anything and not throwing companies under the bus. Great video.
Some products and companies need to be under the bus. If you don’t tell the brand why do the video. It’s amazing people can’t call crap ,,, what it is,,, crap.
Don't waste your money or time with the Huxley plastic gutter snap-in screens... They do not work ... After a few hours if you manage to get one or two installed, the plastic will crack and fall apart from the sun rays in just a few years ... (Oakland Home Inspections LLC) Metal gutter guards are the only ones that work and actually fit, and do not crack or fall apart ...
I was sold on the foam insert gutter filter by Future Foam from Menards. After 1 year it has proven to be a massive failure. It is as if there is no gutter installed. The rain flows right over the gutter because the filter is plugged with small debri and creates a plugged effect. Water comes in the basement again. Total waste of money. I have given up on the idea of any guard or filter. Back to the days of cleaning the gutters twice a year!
Did you have to screw them in or just snap them in i was wondering i just need a few on one end where the neighbor trees pours all the leaves in the gutter about 9 feet or so
I find it funny that he gets to the last plastic ones and say are a waste of money, and they won't last. I have those cheap plastic one on my house. They've been there for 20 years, and they do a great job on a house that is surrounded by Oak trees.
I bought one of the cheap white plastic guards he was talking about at 14:45. I tried it out on my garage. There are two giant maple trees that throw out tons of debris and leaves on the garage. Let me tell you...they work awesome! I'm totally blown away. They have been on there for 8 years and I've yet to have to clean my gutter once. I look into them every year and they are clear, no issues. I live in Minnesota and these gutters see every weather scenario you can throw at them: heavy thunderstorms, hail, snow, ice, leaves, seeding trees in the spring, leaves in the fall. The only thing they haven't seen in 8 years is a tornado or straight line winds. They are still in good shape. The ones I have do look cheap and kinda flimsy but I've gotta say, if they failed tomorrow I'd go out and buy the same thing again because I think I paid $5 bucks for a 3 foot section. I did my whole garage for less than $40 bucks. Maybe I got lucky and there are similar products that do suck? Not sure.
Same with me. I bought them on sale (Menards) and they were less than you paid. And I am in MN also. I had them for 5 years and just sold the house and inspector passed them. I need some on my new house and will go with the same cheapos on sale at Menards. But I need gutters on my walkout wide which is 2 floors up. For these I will get some LeafGuard or similar as I don't do tall ladders anymore (nor roofs).
I used those kind as well here in CT. We have lots of maple trees around. They were installed about 20 years ago, and only were taken down because we put a new roof on. We get a LOT of leaves and maple helicopters around. Every couple of years, I need to clean out the helicopter bits.
So glad to hear this. I just bought these plastic ones at Menards, but they had the hole grid and mesh. I'm not cheap but for what most people charge to install leaf guards, this cost me a couple hundred bucks and that was including paying a local handyman to install them on the second story that I couldn't get to. Easy install, snaps right in, no screws.... Seemed like a no brainer to me.
I've been saying this for years. I used to work in the aluminum industry and installing gutters was one of many products I installed. I have seen all the issues with these gutter guards. It usually just makes more problems. Just buy a gutter nozzle attachment for your hose and give your gutters a periodic spray down. You can even get one with an extension and clean your gutters from the ground.
Seems like even with gutter guards, you're still doing work, may as well just clear them out every year. In our case, it's definitely not as easy. We live on a hill, so our house is such that the only way to do that is to get on the roof. It's technically 4 stories tall from the back (3 levels with main floor access from the front, but lower level still elevated by about 1 level from the rear). There's no way a gutter nozzle attachment is gonna work for us in the back of the house, so... to the roof it is!
Someone's speaking common sense! I am surrounded by trees and I clean mine twice a year (in spring and fall). It takes me less than an hour to do my house, car port and workshop. If you are using gutter guards in a cold climate you are setting yourself up for ice damming and potentially thousands of dollars of damage to your roof. Even if you do find guards that work for you, you will spend thousands of dollars on something that could have been accomplished with simple maintenance.
He bashes the foam inserts, but I see a problem: At about the 8:15 mark, it appears he is starting an install of the foam and it is backward! The wide edge goes against the REAR of the gutter and the thin "knife-edge" goes into the groove in the FRONT of the gutter. If I am correct, then he cannot assess the efficacy of these foam inserts fairly ... right? I installed about 20 feet of these just a few days ago, so I cannot comment yet, but a neighbor who has had them in his same-configuration gutters for five years and says they work quite well ... when install correctly.
Good review. I would be interested in knowing the impact of these gutter covers when there is snow and when it freezes . and how that might actually cause damning that might push ice back up under your shingles. My personal opinion is that in the winter months in areas of snow and ice it is important to get sun shining into the gutters to help melt the snow and ice. I recently installed new open gutters on my home, but I opted for the 5 inch larger gutters and downspouts and that sure has helped with keeping out debris.
Most gutter guards that screw into the fascia come with rubber washers for the screws to prevent this. 20 years in business I've never had this happen.
Great review. I think that micro-mesh is the only way to go. It completely closed off your gutters, so there is zero chance of anything getting in (except rain). I installed Gutter Guard a few years ago in the back, and just installed them in the front. It was quick and easy, and it looks great. Total cost was around $300.00. A friend paid over $10,000.00 for LeafGuard. What a rip-off. And LeafGuard does clog up.
@@peterc504 gutter guard is from costco. I installed them at my father's house and they work great and are easy to clean if too much debris stays on them which happens rarely and only in certain spots
@@gheerock4077Costco guards are called Easy On and are a fine mesh design. Biggest criticism I have seen is that they allow too much water to runover gutters in heavy rain, but they do not clog.
Properly sized gutters and leader pipes with proper pitch will wash out most of the roofing granules in the gutters. Don't sweat the small stuff, if you can keep the large debris out yet allow good water flow into the gutter you can go many years without even looking up there to check them. I personally use 22 gage sheets of perforated stainless steel, it has 1/8" holes on 3/16" centers. Basically nothing gets through except shingle granules, even pine needles stay out because they would have to land vertically and hit the hole perfectly to make it in. I have a 6 inch gutter so i cut 8 inch pieces 10 foot long and put a 2 inch kick (bend) on them to match the pitch of the roof, then slide the 2 inch kick under the shingles, and use 3/4" stainless tek screws to fasten the perf to the top side flange of the gutter. I like using tek screws because they can be taken in and out several times and reused if the guards need to be removed for any reason. Had them up there for 4 years so far and they are clean as a whistle. Cost for material broke down to $3.30 per linear foot. Of course you have to shear and bend the pieces and install yourself. Fortunately i am a sheetmetal worker and was able to get this task done fairly easily. This setup will last a lifetime.
I purchased the Leaf Filter guards but it was a long battle with a very aggressive salesperson. I have a lot of experience with corporate negotiating, so took it as a challenge and ultimately paid less than a third of their starting price. As an engineer I appreciate the design, and they have performed very well on the house for several years now. Just know you don't have their best price until they literally walk out of the house and start to drive away. Shame that such a nice design is such a pain to purchase.
I just bought some, I refuse to pay someone to install them and I'm finding out these things are very difficult to install. I hate gutter guards beyond belief but I'll have to spend over $1,000 to have them installed and that is just a rip off and I don't care who you are or what you think (to you installers out there). That's way too much just to install 88 ft of it. I think I'm just going to deal with cleaning them every couple of weeks. It's less work lol.
@@TJ-ve8svSo you’re saying that it’s super hard to install to the point that you gave up, but a business is ripping you off if they try to charge accordingly. Hmmm
@@TJ-ve8svso, how do you figure that 'very difficult' = cheap? Did you not hear him say you can pay 30/40$ LF? Sometimes we like things we can't afford, and that's ok, but we all over pay somehow for things we use and eat on daily basis, that in the end, end up in the toilet.
Would be interested in knowing what you would recommend to someone whose home has a metal roof. It is impossible to lift and slide the back side of the guards you've recommended between the metal and the wood (I've tried), not to mention trying to screw the back lip into the fascia.
I have a metal roof with fairly steep pitch. I had the white plastic guards with the micro mesh over gutters for 10 years and they were great. I thought the sun would destroy them (live in Alabama) but when I put up brand new gutters last month, to my surprise, the old white plastic gutter guards were still pliable and really, seemed to be fine. I had installed the plastic gutter guard myself (I am a female and was over 60 at the time). I took the screws out of the bottom edge of the metal roof and stuck the lip of the plastic guard under the edge of the roof, clipped the front of the guard to the front of the gutter and then I screwed the screws in through the plastic at the back edge of the gutter guard. I never screwed down the front of the guard and it stayed in place. It worked fine and lasted better than I expected. It is more work to undo the screws on the edge of the metal roof and slip the gutter guard in and re-screw the screws down - but once in 10 years, it was well worth doing.
Owning a house is a lot of work if you want to do it right. I'm up the ladder twice a year (spring and fall) to inspect and clean. It takes me half an hour to do the job. I also use the cheap little strainers that stick in the downspouts. All those other products are garbage. If you are too old to climb then get a family member to go up there. Buy him a case of beer for the trouble.
Chris, i totally agree with you. I am 42 and i inspect 2 to 3 times per year. At 6:33, i recently purchased those. They wrk fine and fit my gutters well. I have 6 oak trees in my backyard and must check my gutters everso often. My neighbors just spent thousands on leaf guard, the prob is, she has trees hanging over her house. The leaves pile up on the gutters/guards and becomes stuck. I would never scew dwn my guards, too much wrk if there is a need to remove them. I dn't care how great the gaurd is, overtime, small particules build up. Leaf Filters are thieves....and yes, very aggresive. ***Plastics are no good if you have squirrels, like i do. I have a few plastic on the backside, need to change them (can only blame laziness).
I have a question for people that have tried one of these units. Are you really supposed to lift? They're starter row of shingles up away from the tar paper breaking the tarbond. If I remember right watching the installers put my roof on last year. They put the first row on upside down, and told me It's because the tar seal will bond to the edge of the subroof. In this video it looks like the gentleman is lifting up the starter row and the first row to show you underneath 6 or 7 inches. Of space.
My home is 2219 ft.² those assholes at least filter wanted to charge me $10,000. I paid $3800 for the entire gutter system and it covers the entire house.
I have to disagree on the strainer idea. I tried it and 2 weeks later my gutter was overflowing during a rainstorm. I checked it during that rainstorm and sure enough debris was clogged all around it not allowing it to drain whatsoever, so I pulled it out and the water shot down the downspout like it should. I am now just checking my gutters 2-3 times a year and cleaning out by hand.
While I like your roofing videos, you are inventing your own logic to something that is not your trade. The third product that you mention the contractors use... There's a reason for that. Your talk about hole size letting the shingle aggregate through... Yes they are supossed to (with properly installed eaves water will carry them through downspout to the ground). Lip on the front has a function as well. All your issues with it are speculative and any fails are due to improper eavestrough slope (it doesn't matter if there's one inch of shingle aggregate or water an ice sitting in the gutters wrong is wrong) or the improper leafguards install. Plus no self respecting aluminum guy will install the leafguards on a house that has evergreens without telling the customer that maintenance will be required. Micro mesh is just a garbage (due to polen and dust and pollution clog them up after a season) in the real world as is the gutter helmet. Any decent amount of rain just overshoots the gutters. What's the point of having them then. BTW majority of the leafs with leafguards installed depend on spring and fall windstorm (those 60 - 90 kmph wind gusts) to do their magic. So installing on a lone house in the middle of the Forrest, or on a bungalow surrounded by taller houses and in a ravine is a no go. Just throwing money away. They make sweeping easier but are not maintenance free. Need that wind. Also you mention screwing the back portion to the fascia to make gutters stronger. Few screws on the thin metal like that is negligible regarding strength. You know what makes them stronger? Having crews not cheat putting brackets every 4-5 feet apart and customer having no clue till one day snow and ice starts to slide down and smashes the whole thing, or the roofer not using protectors leans ladder against it and crushes it. Edit: I see you are responding very mature to constructive criticism (it comes from the heart), so I appreciate you even more. All the best. Sponges are absolute worst for leafguard. They are cheapest large pore sponges for diy aquarium for sumps and filters for ponds and I use some for that as a pre-filter.
I would like one of the cheap plastic ones with the fine mesh. I don’t mind cleaning the gutters every 3 years because without the gutter guard, I clean them 3 times a year :D
why waste any time or money on installing gutter protection of any kind? it is easier to clean an open gutter than to remove gutter protection, clean the gutter and then put the gutter protection back on. cleaning open gutters is easy and is low cost maintenance. As far as i am concerned, metal gutter protection is good for scrapping. i clean gutters for a living and have more work than i can handle. i refuse to maintain gutters with gutter protection. these gutter protection products should be taken off the market, because uninformed consumers are getting ripped off. just look at the back of my garage and see all of the metal gutter protection that i have removed and is just waiting to be taken to the scrap metal yard.
The microguard gutter guards that I've installed stopped my gutters from clogging every couple of months and it reinforces the gutter so branches don't dent it and they have yet to clog up 3 years later.
I can't allow my gutters to remain open in the Spring or in the Fall because if I did, every downspout would clog up every time it rains for weeks at a time. In the Spring, I get billions of maple leaf helicopters and all the other trash from trees for about 3 or 4 weeks. I would have to clean them every time BEFORE it rains or I'd have problems. In the Fall, it's all the leaves for about a month or 2. Same thing. If you don't clean your gutters every time BEFORE a rain, I would have tons of problems with my downspouts clogging up and gutters running over.
essentially, esp in my country which means NEEDLES all gutter covers are crap, IF roof fascia etc. is perfect, IF gutters perfect..and REMSAIN SO, IF micromesh SS gutter cover ATTACHED TO FASCIA AND GUTTER LIP properly..... possibly last 10 years... maybe
I only have a one story house, but I've never seen any gutter guard that has convinced me that it is less trouble than just cleaning the gutters once in a while.
Living in Ontario Canada we experience all nature throws at our treed property into our gutters. Each late fall I climb a ladder to the high side of the slope with garden hose in hand and rinse the gutters out. For safety I have my wife down at the bottom of the ladder to give me something soft to land on should I slip. Gutter guards,save your money.
@@happyrecluse2849 Here's a pro tip. Have your wife wear a bright green safety vest so you can always see where your landing spot is out of the corner of your eye. 😆
Oh my I’m glad we have them with lots of trees but the right kind must be used or they clog up. He’s right. They do help a lot so get the best one. Raptor rail with aluminum rails and a special stainless steel mesh. I’ve learned from others that this is very good. And you use screws to attach on both running rails and it helps strengthen. There is another kind….Leaf filter. Good reviews too.
I built an extension for my wet/dry portable shop vac out of central-vac pipe. I used 90° & 45° sweep fittings at the top to get the right angle for the last short piece of pipe that I cut to fit flat in the gutter. Works great! NO leaf guard, NO ladder!
I was skeptical about the gutter guard foam, but a neighbor swore by it. I installed it five years ago and it has worked great so far, and yes I have lots of trees overhanging my roof. That being said it's ridiculously expensive for a piece of foam.
@@IrulianDark hope your luck continues. mine lasted about 5 years, i just had to pull them out today. they had completely deteriorated and became a great place for maple trees to take root. couldnt believe what i saw when i climbed up there. pretty much exactly as described in the video. on my sunny side they grew trees, on my shady side they grew moss. what a waste. in northeast ohio here.
At home Depot they are like 7$ for a 5ft section, I'm thinking of using them just in the roof channels and leaving the straights open and maybe replacing them every year or two
Don't purchase LEAFFILTER GUTTER PROTECTION system from LEAFFILTER NORTH because they do clog on top of the filter which is not covered by the warranty
Gutter guard companies are almost all crooks. It’s ridiculous to charge $7900 for 200’ of gutter guards. I have a handyman who will clean my gutters once a year for $50. At $7900 I could have my gutters cleaned completely for 158 YEARS! And that’s with no gutter guards. I think it’s absurd and dishonest for gutter manufacturers to make gutters with no covers. The cost to manufacture covered gutters would be negligible. It’s not rocket science. I get so sick of the huge number of companies that are corrupt to the core. The larger the companies the worst the corruption is. Sadly, dollar for dollar the US is the most corrupt country in the world. It’s corrupt because of all the brainwashed fools who are against any and all regulations. Those idiots are helping predators steal from hard working people.
Well, whadda ya know -- I put those "worst gutter guards" sponge foam inserts in the gutters along my front porch, a very shaded area under two huge maple trees that otherwise overwhelm the gutters, and got at least 8 years of almost maintenance free use before they needed to be replaced. In the wet Northwest, small-mesh guards would've plugged with algae slime/dirt long before that, turning the gutter into a waterfall. I'll be putting in new foam soon. (On the other hand, I wouldn't put them anywhere else around the house -- it's all about specific application.)
I got a wire mesh on my gutter. Keeps the big stuff out. Stays put. Had goofy clips but they don't work. Roof pebbles and dirt does get in but I clean every two years instead on yearly. Older subdivision and a lot of mature trees plus hedges, lilacs, etc. I don't want anything that is screwed in because in this neighborhood you'll have to clean eventually.
For my one story house I duct tape an eight foot pvc section and elbow on my leaf blower, works great. My neighbor paid LeafFilter six thousand dollars to install on his one story house. I told him he was nuts.
POOR DEMO - did not clearly show each type which is whole point and lift the friggin shingles? this is a roof guy? sure left the shingles, no problem, no leak??? WTF? how can you trust someone who says something so stupid.
I installed seamless gutters for many years. I am qualified to tell you that using any kind of "Gutter Guard" is like putting Armor All on your valve stem caps! Lolol Just a way to get more $$$ from you pocket to someone else's pocket. Strainers do keep birds from building nests in the downspouts, but can block and fill gutters to very heavy weights. I don't sell gutter guards of any kind, I don't install it, I don't recommend it. Inspect your gutters and remove twigs and branches, then blow gutters out 2 or 3 times a year with a leaf blower and a gutter blower attachment, it's that easy. 2nd story gutters usually get enough wind to clear leaves when they are dry. The shingle granules are flushed by heavy rain provided your gutters have the proper pitch to the outlet drains. Flushing with a hose works verywell. The best gutters were the copper half round ones on old farmhouses, as they ever clog, the wind cleaned em just fine, they lasted for many, many years. Everything now is just made poorly. No magic cure, clean your gutters or have someone do it for you.
I have gutters that are 3 stories high in the back and size of my house ... I can't clean them multiple times a year. I'm getting too old for that. I want to try some chicken wire with say about 1/4 to 1/2 inch holes to try. Do they sell rolls of this?
Rick Sievers what you’re talking about is called hail screen or hardware cloth..comes in 1/2 or 1/4 squares but it’s gonna be hard to anchor it to the gutter and roof. you can cut it with tin snips but i don’t think you would be happy. 1/4” squares will let tree seeds like maple get caught and wet leaves will probably dry and attach to the mesh..good luck with what ever you chose, if someone would make a good reliable sysgem they could sell it cheap and still make a fortune..
So do you have any suggestions for the best gutters in today's market being that you said they are off lower quality than in past times? I ask because I'm getting a house built but didn't trust the builders to give me good quality gutters so I'll do it when they are done. Plus I thought they'd charge me an arm and a leg
The grit from the roof shingles don't clog the fine openings in the gutter cover? If you have 1/2" of granules in the bottom of your gutter, the water will still flow but that quantity of granules on the cover may be a problem.
I live in Florida and have several trees including oak and magnolia. Older home with various sized gutters. Was wondering about gutter whiskers? Do they stand up to the sun? Here the sun is brutal in summer and plastic almost melts.
Are you kidding? Did it cross your mind that the guard itself is going to be plugged with debris and the rain will just flow over it onto the ground....Defeating the purpose of doing it.
Wow, the drain guards that fit above the downspout are terrible. The leaves collect very quickly and the water cascades out of the gutter and down to your foundation. A miserable option
Is there a way to have a flapper door on the end of a gutter that you can manually open and allow everything to flush out the end? (thinking like an RV gate valve). Especially important to be accessible on the second story from the ground. Then it doesn't matter if debris fills it.
I live in Florida. First course of Shingles are sealed to the drip edge with roof cement. So these gutter guards can’t be slipped under the shingles. Useless
I have seen the very same as you described with snow And ice with leaves get stu k on top of the screens. But I have been told that bulldog is the best. What is your advice? Bulldog is costly.
I’ve been called out to clean the leaf guard gutter, at every house the warranty had been voided out because the owner didn’t keep the gutters clean. However I did find a way to clean them out with all the leaves inside. The owners were very upset , especially with what they had paid. You can’t keep the grit out of the gutters so get the one that stops the limbs, leaves and nuts 🥜, and every 3 to 4 years the grits can be washed out because of the larger holes
That metal catcher doesn't work its total garbage. The problem with it is that when it rains it pushes all debris to the spout openings where that catcher is located. So all debris will be piled around the catcher not allowing water to drain in your down spouts creating a flood in your gutter system...one thing I don't understand is why can't gutter companies create a very large hole in the gutter where your down spout connects that way debris can be pushed inside of it easier by the strong flow of water when it rains? Why is it not possible to create a hole large enough to go from end to end on the gutter part that connects to the spout that way when things come across they have to go in the hole instead of skipping it and moving further down the gutter system?
Great video sir, NO, “BS” just straight facts. Many of those you have shown, I have seen at the stores, your thoughts mirror mine. One thing I will add, that big sponge one “STINKS BAD”.
Thanks for sharing , didnt know all this and i was going to get a few since my neighbor has a big tree and all the leaves go in my left side of the gutter ... thought this might help cut down on all that mess .. then i dont have to keep going up there to clean out the leaves..
Excellent. I almost purchased the foam gutter guards for ease of install. I wasn't thinking about dirt roof debris clogging them. Thanks for the video.
i was using the plastic mesh for 27 years on my gutters and do not have any problem just do the roof and my gutter look like new the small debris will wash out by rainwater and chuted down
I have actually had great success with the cheap plastic ones with the round holes and mircoscreen. I have had them on my house for 12 years. I removed them this year to paint the gutters and fascia. The only gutter that had any build up was a 40 footer with only one downspout and not enough pitch,
I have been listening to all your excellent advice . Thank you. So in conclusion I feel the best gutters to get is seamless 5 inch gutters. By chance any one in particular?.
I have a ranch house and have my young son( now 22 ) get on the roof and clean out the gutters. He can do the whole house in 15 minutes. I used to do it myself but am too old and fat to do it now. If you can not find anyone to do it, then use a j shaped extension on a blower and blow out the gutters. Then get on ladder and inspect in a few places. If you can not do any of this you will have to hire someone. Leaf covers are crap.
Micro mesh will plug due to roof granules. Let the granules fall into the holes into the gutter and running water will flush them out of the downspout. This guy knows nothing and hard to understand.
I'm goin with leaf filter next week 😢. My neighbor keeps complaining to me about cleaning my gutters. So im goin to get these so I wont have to clean them ever again.
No matter which option you choose a good summary is: that you still have to clean and maintain your gutters but most of these products will reduce how often you have to.
@@ernievilla6840 *Actually, that might be true. Not as often, but **_removing_** the screens / covers to allow the "less often" cleaning negates the advantage. Cleaning becomes a hellofa job.*
I have to disagree. I put the plastic ones on my new 2,600 square foot house in 2006 and they have not failed and work really well. I have three locations on the house where I still have to put a ladder up to clean buildup off the top of the guard and that is due to house design and no the design of the guard. The three locations all have crickets where three different roof lines drain and there is a deflector on the gutter to prevent overflow in these locations. The deflector catches and traps leaves and what I call oak pods that drop from numerous trees in the spring time. For the little time I have to put up ladder to clean these areas twice a year, I would install the same product all over again. I see no failure or sagging of these guards.
Loved your comparisons. I think you are spot on with assessments for residential roofs. However, I have an almost flat commercial building metal roof in which I had guards like your second best you recommend with small holes. I have found these horrible for my roof because they can’t pass enough water through the small holes when there is a half decent rain (large roof area collects lots of water). The water then pools on top of the guard (particularly with some leaves on top also), and it flows over the gutter edge and into my building creating a leak that actually pools water! I have no doubt my building is poorly designed (and it’s old too), but in my case the small hole guards (flat AL with too few and too small hole) are causing leaks instead of helping to prevent them. I had the spout guards before but they would clog with leaves and then gutters overflow, again with leaks. I’m going to remove the small hole guards and replace them with a large hole mesh type. Since I have a metal roof, I’m not concerned about aggregate collecting, and I can spray out debris every couple years: I just need to keep leaves from clogging the spouts. Bottom line is one size doesn’t fit all. Thanks for the comparison!
Leaf Filter is the best Way better than leaf guard leaf guard has an opening where debris gets inside were Leaf Filter has a stainless steel mesh with a pure vinyl casing on it no debris zero clogs.
On my house 33 years ago the gutter installers used a 1/4" screen material as a leaf guard. Still in use. I still have to clean the gutters time to time but after watching this I'm probably going to keep what I have. I was considering spending money on plastic or metal covers. This video was very helpful. Seems no system is perfect. I probably have 75 feet of gutters. You saved me a lot of money. Thanks
Thanks, a very good presentation. You answered all the questions I had pertaining to the differences between gutter guard types and how they'd preform compared to each other.
So who’s pushing the gutter guards in like this clown cmon man there just going to sit there it isn’t that serious with regular maintenance these are all good smh
Just out of my curiosity. If you put screws in your gutter covers and eventually you will need for sure clean them, the process of cleaning them would be incredibly tedious. Right?
Just had Leaf filter rep give me a quote the first quote was for $21000 then he dropped it to $15880 then final buy today special was $6750 . THAT BULL SHIT SCREW THE CUSTOMER i showed him the door........
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Thank you for providing such detailed info on them all. Understanding the reasons why they fail is a big help!!
I got an estimate from Leaf Filter for $7,900 for 200ft. He started dwindling the price down and was at $3,300 at the end. So that tells you what their profit margins are.
A rep just left my home.
Saying he can give me a great price if I act on it today.
REALLY Sir?!
I own my own small contractor company and do many different jobs, including installing gutter guards. I found the best price for the homeowner and for me to make a little bit of money, (since they are pretty easy to put on I don’t kill them on the labor as much as a much more intensive project) I charge 110$ per box of gutter guard, they are about 90$ at Home Depot, and 3$ per piece to put on. I just did a house last week that cost the home owner $440 for the 4 boxes and I charge 4$ per piece to put on. So I’m profiting about $160 per box. The average home in my area has about 160ft of gutters. The cost will go up slightly on homes that are 2-3 stories as it takes me more time to do the job. The prices I quoted are on a ranch style home. With material included it costs this home owner around $1100. Not a bad price and I made that money in about 3.5 hours. So to your point…. They jack the price WAY up and their profit margins are outrageously higher than a 3 man company can do it for that doesn’t try to rip anyone off.
@@danmorse2002 at 1100 for 160 ft thatshould legally be minimum wage
Don't pay the least and expect the most.your 3 man team verse one of my best guys. Get a job and invest wiser
@@juschill1 really every quote on average last for 7 days. Quotes go up cuz material cost goes up thats life
Wow nothing like wasting money 💰
Some of them tent to raise the shingle a bit, creating a hump or damming the running water and also having crap build up! Nice video
The last two types that you showed one in white and one in brown I have installed on my house in White. They were installed in 2007. This Is 2020 currently and they have never failed I have big oak trees and maples near my house. Leaves sticks and acorns get on the roof and get washed Down the Roof to the top of the gutters with any water drainage. What seems to be something that nobody ever mentions is that the plastic ones that have the diamond cut holes and the screen mesh on top work wonderfully if you install them correctly with a notch of an inch and a half cutout of the gutter hook end so that way the mesh can overlap the previous run of the gutter guard. The white ones have been on my house I have had tree limbs hit them little and big and with the overlap none of them have failed or broken or torn or become degraded from Sun. Are they the best option... Maybe not... However installed correctly they work Wonderful! I went around the outside of the 1400 Square foot house and check each gutter section and Joint. I also pulled off one near each downspout and looked in as an inspection. Just like you said you will get granules in your gutter... However all roofs get granules in the gutter I don't care what gutter guard you have and with a good rain the granules get washed down the downspout anyway. So for the money the white plastic or PVC diamond cut holes with the screen over top are the best ones and have worked wonders and no problems ever since 2007 I have never had a leaf an or anything else clog the gutter or sit up there for more than a few days as the wind or another rainstorm will wash them right off the gutter guard. It all depends on how you install them and how smart you are to overlap them which gives them no gappage and strength. The only things that can get through are what you think can fit through the screen and believe me I have tried to fit pine needles leaves acorns sticks, none of them go through. So 13 years in use with no issues and no replacements and no breakage installed correctly with an overlap equals happy homeowner with no clog gutters!!
Thank you for the feedback!
You said if installed correctly they work. I’m not sure of the correct way to install them. Can you explain?
@@ignited814 yes if you take the plastic diamond cut pattern gutter guards that have the screen over top of them and you cut either end left or right depending on which way you are running them. Always start at the end of The Gutter with a full gutter guard, then the next one cut a notch off the bottom of the gutter guard where the lip Clips onto the gutter. cut a notch into the clip and then behind the clip cut where the screen is bonded to the plastic nearest the gutter guard clip about an inch and a half so that way the piece that you cut out slides up and butts up to the previous. Agard and you have an overlap of about an inch to an inch and a half of screening covering the joint between the two. Nothing ever gets in and it also strengthens the total gutter guard run down each gutter. Installation for these is the same way he said in the video underneath the shingle over top of the decking tar paper or water barrier that you have on the roof sheathing period. If you have Nails close to the edge it is easy enough to put the gutter guard up underneath the single and see exactly where a nail is and cut a notch in the gutter guard in order to make it slide up under the shingle and then slide back to the front of the gutter to clip it onto the gutter lip. The ends of the gutters if you have a run that has a higher or lower and where the roof is either very close or very far from the gutter you can be more creative with the plastic because it's easy to clip with a good pair of tin snips and it is easy to bend form and even if you need to tuck behind short Corner gutter or blind Corner gutter that doesn't have much roof overhang coverage to it. These are very cheap price wise. You can buy a case for under fifty bucks to 60 bucks. And when I say a case I do not mean the single box that they sell in the Shelf I'm talkin a full case which usually has somewhere between 70 to 90 gutter guard pieces. If you need more info comment me back.
@@dsrtodd , thanks for the info, just purchased my home in Polk County Florida 👍 I'm going to give it a try tomorrow. I plan on installing them wish me luck 🤞
My shingles are stuck to the roof and they don't raise freely like this video shows. What a royal pain in the ass installing these things lol. Gotta find a way to do it alone.
My company uses SheerFlow 3 foot sections box of 50 from Menards. good quality vinyl screens with a layer of nylon mesh adhered to the top. After sliding them under the first row of shingles and clipping them to the front lip of the gutter, we put 3 zip screws in each screen on the lip (start, middle, end) and we have yet to be called back to fix a job where we installed covers in this manner. If you don’t want to have to go back and fix rejects, do it right the first time. The outlet strainer is way outdated and is just another excuse for companies to make money when they get called back to clean the debris out of the inevitably blocked gutters. No disrespect just trying to help y’all out
I have been using the plastic with mesh… it was one of the options in the table, but wasn’t showcased. I have to change them out every 4 years or so. Cost is about $150 or so. Works great for me, only takes about 4 hours to put them up. My neighbor just paid $7,000 for metal ones. Yeah, no thanks.
What’s your thoughts on the gutter brushes that easy to remove and clean?
I recommend rain drop guards,
Could you screw the front part down onto the rain gutter?
Are you in the south? Your gutter is too high and stops snow from sliding off the roof. The best gutter I ever had was about 8 inches across and 4 inches deep with 4 inch round downspouts. The best part was they were below dormers and I could sweep them out from the second story windows.
What your saying is true up north but here in Florida the benefits of putting gutter high as possible far outweigh the negatives (there really arnt any) but as you mentioned if you have snow this is a bad choice in my experience ive always tried to install as high as possible but that decision is made on a per job basis things like type of roof whether there is a 1x, and roof pitch can change that we also use mostly 6" unlike the rest of country
I spent a lot of money on leaf guard gutters, and they are the worst I've ever had! Really did not have any follow up by the company. Would avoid this product altogether. G.
They are supposed to clean them out for you.
Wished I had seen your video before I bought a plastic cover. It was cheap so I didn't think it would be too bad a problem. The covers came in a roll about 6 inches across by 30 feet long. I had a friend who said he knew what he was doing and give him a few bucks to install. He started to cut the rolls into sections a few feet long. Anyways within a week those sections started to fall out so I guess I wasted about 80 bucks. Good video.
Have had the trianglular (it's spun plastic strand, no foam) for thirty years and they still work perfectly. Probably brush them off every other year or so.
I don't like anything that goes under the shingle. Unnecessary. Asking for trouble. And I've just seen far too many times shingles lose from it. I like simple aluminum Leafguard, has drilled holes in it large enough for granules. A lip on back to screw through drip edge. But that's not really an issue but once every 20 years. Gutter can hold a little water, it'll evaporate, at least in Florida. Then again with leafguard maybe it won't evaporate like normal. And it sits recessed like a quarter inch so it drains the water nicely. It's also easy to remove if needed for whatever reason. Never had an issue with it and have installed it on 500+ houses. Only thing it has issues with to a degree is pine needles. But those are sent from Hell to begin with and either way you're sweeping the top of the leafguard off occasionally. Especially in areas that don't get sunlight, thus the leaves/debris never dries and becomes light enough to blow away. Or if there is no wind down that side of the house or whatever etc.
I made my own, used stainless screen mesh from a big roll, cut to fit and used clear uv silicone to keep it in place. Cheap, effective and hail/debris/tree rat resistant, just time and patience to cut and install it.
Спасибо за видео!
Thanks.
Very helpful. Thanks.
Thank you for creating this video . I’m a contractor and I appreciate it. The only issue I have with the video is that is a new shingled roof system that hasn’t adhered to the structure yet. Most roofs are not able to lift up the edges like you do in your video making installation much different.
Don't waste your money or time with the Huxley plastic gutter snap-in screens... They do not work ... After a few hours if you manage to get one or two installed, the plastic will crack and fall apart from the sun rays in just a few years ... (Oakland Home Inspections LLC) Metal gutter guards are the only ones that work and actually fit, and do not crack or fall apart ...
Update - the first gutter guard recommended is made very good, but it also has a serious issue in one of my customers who has this installed. The screen has actually started to become one big muddy mat. In other words, the screen is so fine that little grains of mud or asphalt are starting to fill in the screens and water is now running over those areas. For 2 years now I have gone out to her home and manually brushed the screens where the muddy matting is occurring.
HOW is mud getting on a roof?
ground gets dry, dust blows in wind, rain washes it into the gutters.@@terencehennessy1145
@@terencehennessy1145decomposing organic matter
Dust/dirt/sand blown by wind
Wow. I've seen a lot of how to videos and reviews, but this is one of the best ones. Great job comparing everything without selling anything and not throwing companies under the bus. Great video.
Video too long but very informative. None work WELL. They move around. Larger downspouts is a very good idea to help.
Some products and companies need to be under the bus. If you don’t tell the brand why do the video. It’s amazing people can’t call crap ,,, what it is,,, crap.
Don't waste your money or time with the Huxley plastic gutter snap-in screens... They do not work ... After a few hours if you manage to get one or two installed, the plastic will crack and fall apart from the sun rays in just a few years ... (Oakland Home Inspections LLC) Metal gutter guards are the only ones that work and actually fit, and do not crack or fall apart ...
I was sold on the foam insert gutter filter by Future Foam from Menards. After 1 year it has proven to be a massive failure. It is as if there is no gutter installed. The rain flows right over the gutter because the filter is plugged with small debri and creates a plugged effect. Water comes in the basement again. Total waste of money. I have given up on the idea of any guard or filter. Back to the days of cleaning the gutters twice a year!
I installed the plastic ones you call "the worst of the worst" about ten years ago on my house and my garage. Still works great!
you must not have maple helicopters near your house.
@@nancywolf3786 I have plenty of pine needles.
Did you have to screw them in or just snap them in i was wondering i just need a few on one end where the neighbor trees pours all the leaves in the gutter about 9 feet or so
@@joedevitto6113 I screwed them in. You also have to cut and fold the ends to keep stuff out. Still working great!
@@kilby714 I think anything is better than nothing to help keep the leaves out . just have to keep an eye on it when its fall season then .. thanks ~
I find it funny that he gets to the last plastic ones and say are a waste of money, and they won't last. I have those cheap plastic one on my house. They've been there for 20 years, and they do a great job on a house that is surrounded by Oak trees.
I bought one of the cheap white plastic guards he was talking about at 14:45. I tried it out on my garage. There are two giant maple trees that throw out tons of debris and leaves on the garage. Let me tell you...they work awesome! I'm totally blown away. They have been on there for 8 years and I've yet to have to clean my gutter once. I look into them every year and they are clear, no issues. I live in Minnesota and these gutters see every weather scenario you can throw at them: heavy thunderstorms, hail, snow, ice, leaves, seeding trees in the spring, leaves in the fall. The only thing they haven't seen in 8 years is a tornado or straight line winds. They are still in good shape. The ones I have do look cheap and kinda flimsy but I've gotta say, if they failed tomorrow I'd go out and buy the same thing again because I think I paid $5 bucks for a 3 foot section. I did my whole garage for less than $40 bucks. Maybe I got lucky and there are similar products that do suck? Not sure.
Same with me. I bought them on sale (Menards) and they were less than you paid. And I am in MN also. I had them for 5 years and just sold the house and inspector passed them. I need some on my new house and will go with the same cheapos on sale at Menards.
But I need gutters on my walkout wide which is 2 floors up. For these I will get some LeafGuard or similar as I don't do tall ladders anymore (nor roofs).
I used those kind as well here in CT. We have lots of maple trees around. They were installed about 20 years ago, and only were taken down because we put a new roof on. We get a LOT of leaves and maple helicopters around. Every couple of years, I need to clean out the helicopter bits.
So glad to hear this. I just bought these plastic ones at Menards, but they had the hole grid and mesh. I'm not cheap but for what most people charge to install leaf guards, this cost me a couple hundred bucks and that was including paying a local handyman to install them on the second story that I couldn't get to. Easy install, snaps right in, no screws.... Seemed like a no brainer to me.
I've been saying this for years. I used to work in the aluminum industry and installing gutters was one of many products I installed. I have seen all the issues with these gutter guards. It usually just makes more problems. Just buy a gutter nozzle attachment for your hose and give your gutters a periodic spray down. You can even get one with an extension and clean your gutters from the ground.
Seems like even with gutter guards, you're still doing work, may as well just clear them out every year. In our case, it's definitely not as easy. We live on a hill, so our house is such that the only way to do that is to get on the roof. It's technically 4 stories tall from the back (3 levels with main floor access from the front, but lower level still elevated by about 1 level from the rear). There's no way a gutter nozzle attachment is gonna work for us in the back of the house, so... to the roof it is!
Your solution makes a lot of sense 👌🏿.
They help keep things like French drains clear
Someone's speaking common sense! I am surrounded by trees and I clean mine twice a year (in spring and fall). It takes me less than an hour to do my house, car port and workshop. If you are using gutter guards in a cold climate you are setting yourself up for ice damming and potentially thousands of dollars of damage to your roof. Even if you do find guards that work for you, you will spend thousands of dollars on something that could have been accomplished with simple maintenance.
I use the foam inserts for my gutter hydroponics system. works great for growing plant lousy for draining rain.
we just did video on them today: they lead the way of worst gutter products fro sure!
hahaha
that is funny LOL
They have to be taken out every two years and cleaned.
He bashes the foam inserts, but I see a problem: At about the 8:15 mark, it appears he is starting an install of the foam and it is backward! The wide edge goes against the REAR of the gutter and the thin "knife-edge" goes into the groove in the FRONT of the gutter. If I am correct, then he cannot assess the efficacy of these foam inserts fairly ... right? I installed about 20 feet of these just a few days ago, so I cannot comment yet, but a neighbor who has had them in his same-configuration gutters for five years and says they work quite well ... when install correctly.
I had leaf filter come out to give me a Estimate they wanted 10,000 two story home I said no thank you..no way iam going to pay 10,000
Good review. I would be interested in knowing the impact of these gutter covers when there is snow and when it freezes . and how that might actually cause damning that might push ice back up under your shingles. My personal opinion is that in the winter months in areas of snow and ice it is important to get sun shining into the gutters to help melt the snow and ice.
I recently installed new open gutters on my home, but I opted for the 5 inch larger gutters and downspouts and that sure has helped with keeping out debris.
Never, never put screws that near and low on the roof's edge, ice will cause water to back up under the shingles and leak into the roof.
Most gutter guards that screw into the fascia come with rubber washers for the screws to prevent this.
20 years in business I've never had this happen.
Great review. I think that micro-mesh is the only way to go. It completely closed off your gutters, so there is zero chance of anything getting in (except rain). I installed Gutter Guard a few years ago in the back, and just installed them in the front. It was quick and easy, and it looks great. Total cost was around $300.00. A friend paid over $10,000.00 for LeafGuard. What a rip-off. And LeafGuard does clog up.
What brand is gutter guard? Is there a link to purchase them
@@peterc504 gutter guard is from costco. I installed them at my father's house and they work great and are easy to clean if too much debris stays on them which happens rarely and only in certain spots
@@hulu3253 link to the ones you're talking about? Are they aluminum or stainless steel meaning they won't rust?
@@hulu3253 what's the name of this Costco brand gutter guard? i'm going there tomorrow to buy one.
@@gheerock4077Costco guards are called Easy On and are a fine mesh design. Biggest criticism I have seen is that they allow too much water to runover gutters in heavy rain, but they do not clog.
Properly sized gutters and leader pipes with proper pitch will wash out most of the roofing granules in the gutters. Don't sweat the small stuff, if you can keep the large debris out yet allow good water flow into the gutter you can go many years without even looking up there to check them. I personally use 22 gage sheets of perforated stainless steel, it has 1/8" holes on 3/16" centers. Basically nothing gets through except shingle granules, even pine needles stay out because they would have to land vertically and hit the hole perfectly to make it in. I have a 6 inch gutter so i cut 8 inch pieces 10 foot long and put a 2 inch kick (bend) on them to match the pitch of the roof, then slide the 2 inch kick under the shingles, and use 3/4" stainless tek screws to fasten the perf to the top side flange of the gutter. I like using tek screws because they can be taken in and out several times and reused if the guards need to be removed for any reason. Had them up there for 4 years so far and they are clean as a whistle. Cost for material broke down to $3.30 per linear foot. Of course you have to shear and bend the pieces and install yourself. Fortunately i am a sheetmetal worker and was able to get this task done fairly easily. This setup will last a lifetime.
So instead of paying you what you think your worth. We should assume your sheet metal work is over priced??
@@prd7955 what are you getting at?
I purchased the Leaf Filter guards but it was a long battle with a very aggressive salesperson. I have a lot of experience with corporate negotiating, so took it as a challenge and ultimately paid less than a third of their starting price. As an engineer I appreciate the design, and they have performed very well on the house for several years now. Just know you don't have their best price until they literally walk out of the house and start to drive away. Shame that such a nice design is such a pain to purchase.
I just bought some, I refuse to pay someone to install them and I'm finding out these things are very difficult to install. I hate gutter guards beyond belief but I'll have to spend over $1,000 to have them installed and that is just a rip off and I don't care who you are or what you think (to you installers out there). That's way too much just to install 88 ft of it. I think I'm just going to deal with cleaning them every couple of weeks. It's less work lol.
@@TJ-ve8svSo you’re saying that it’s super hard to install to the point that you gave up, but a business is ripping you off if they try to charge accordingly.
Hmmm
@@TJ-ve8sv They're taking advantage. I laughed when they told me how much they wanted to install gutter guards.
@@TJ-ve8svso, how do you figure that 'very difficult' = cheap? Did you not hear him say you can pay 30/40$ LF? Sometimes we like things we can't afford, and that's ok, but we all over pay somehow for things we use and eat on daily basis, that in the end, end up in the toilet.
Would be interested in knowing what you would recommend to someone whose home has a metal roof. It is impossible to lift and slide the back side of the guards you've recommended between the metal and the wood (I've tried), not to mention trying to screw the back lip into the fascia.
I have a metal roof with fairly steep pitch. I had the white plastic guards with the micro mesh over gutters for 10 years and they were great. I thought the sun would destroy them (live in Alabama) but when I put up brand new gutters last month, to my surprise, the old white plastic gutter guards were still pliable and really, seemed to be fine. I had installed the plastic gutter guard myself (I am a female and was over 60 at the time). I took the screws out of the bottom edge of the metal roof and stuck the lip of the plastic guard under the edge of the roof, clipped the front of the guard to the front of the gutter and then I screwed the screws in through the plastic at the back edge of the gutter guard. I never screwed down the front of the guard and it stayed in place. It worked fine and lasted better than I expected. It is more work to undo the screws on the edge of the metal roof and slip the gutter guard in and re-screw the screws down - but once in 10 years, it was well worth doing.
Owning a house is a lot of work if you want to do it right. I'm up the ladder twice a year (spring and fall) to inspect and clean. It takes me half an hour to do the job. I also use the cheap little strainers that stick in the downspouts. All those other products are garbage. If you are too old to climb then get a family member to go up there. Buy him a case of beer for the trouble.
Chris, i totally agree with you. I am 42 and i inspect 2 to 3 times per year. At 6:33, i recently purchased those. They wrk fine and fit my gutters well. I have 6 oak trees in my backyard and must check my gutters everso often. My neighbors just spent thousands on leaf guard, the prob is, she has trees hanging over her house. The leaves pile up on the gutters/guards and becomes stuck. I would never scew dwn my guards, too much wrk if there is a need to remove them. I dn't care how great the gaurd is, overtime, small particules build up. Leaf Filters are thieves....and yes, very aggresive.
***Plastics are no good if you have squirrels, like i do. I have a few plastic on the backside, need to change them (can only blame laziness).
I have a question for people that have tried one of these units. Are you really supposed to lift? They're starter row of shingles up away from the tar paper breaking the tarbond. If I remember right watching the installers put my roof on last year. They put the first row on upside down, and told me It's because the tar seal will bond to the edge of the subroof. In this video it looks like the gentleman is lifting up the starter row and the first row to show you underneath 6 or 7 inches. Of space.
They don't care about that. They're just thinking about the $7k profit they make on the job. ;)
I love how you told us exactly how it is! Dont buy this crap! Lol
My home is 2219 ft.² those assholes at least filter wanted to charge me $10,000. I paid $3800 for the entire gutter system and it covers the entire house.
Sounds about right
I have to disagree on the strainer idea. I tried it and 2 weeks later my gutter was overflowing during a rainstorm. I checked it during that rainstorm and sure enough debris was clogged all around it not allowing it to drain whatsoever, so I pulled it out and the water shot down the downspout like it should. I am now just checking my gutters 2-3 times a year and cleaning out by hand.
Thank you for sharing your experience. Glad to hear the strainer worked out for you.
The only good thing about the strainer is it keeps stuff out of the downspout.
While I like your roofing videos, you are inventing your own logic to something that is not your trade. The third product that you mention the contractors use... There's a reason for that. Your talk about hole size letting the shingle aggregate through... Yes they are supossed to (with properly installed eaves water will carry them through downspout to the ground). Lip on the front has a function as well. All your issues with it are speculative and any fails are due to improper eavestrough slope (it doesn't matter if there's one inch of shingle aggregate or water an ice sitting in the gutters wrong is wrong) or the improper leafguards install. Plus no self respecting aluminum guy will install the leafguards on a house that has evergreens without telling the customer that maintenance will be required.
Micro mesh is just a garbage (due to polen and dust and pollution clog them up after a season) in the real world as is the gutter helmet. Any decent amount of rain just overshoots the gutters. What's the point of having them then.
BTW majority of the leafs with leafguards installed depend on spring and fall windstorm (those 60 - 90 kmph wind gusts) to do their magic. So installing on a lone house in the middle of the Forrest, or on a bungalow surrounded by taller houses and in a ravine is a no go. Just throwing money away. They make sweeping easier but are not maintenance free. Need that wind.
Also you mention screwing the back portion to the fascia to make gutters stronger. Few screws on the thin metal like that is negligible regarding strength. You know what makes them stronger? Having crews not cheat putting brackets every 4-5 feet apart and customer having no clue till one day snow and ice starts to slide down and smashes the whole thing, or the roofer not using protectors leans ladder against it and crushes it.
Edit: I see you are responding very mature to constructive criticism (it comes from the heart), so I appreciate you even more. All the best.
Sponges are absolute worst for leafguard. They are cheapest large pore sponges for diy aquarium for sumps and filters for ponds and I use some for that as a pre-filter.
I would like one of the cheap plastic ones with the fine mesh. I don’t mind cleaning the gutters every 3 years because without the gutter guard, I clean them 3 times a year :D
But it might take you 9 times longer when you need to remove to clean and reinstall for the next 3 years.
@@kimchee94112 hope not
I will just pop off the easy sections and clean as good as possible.
I just want to keep the leaves out of the gutter
It's the leaves sticks and trash that will clog, not shingle granules. I mean the shingle granules COULD but it would take years and years........
If huge amounts of shingle granules are filling gutters, you have a lot worse problem to worry about than gutters!
why waste any time or money on installing gutter protection of any kind? it is easier to clean an open gutter than to remove gutter protection, clean the gutter and then put the gutter protection back on. cleaning open gutters is easy and is low cost maintenance.
As far as i am concerned, metal gutter protection is good for scrapping. i clean gutters for a living and have more work than i can handle. i refuse to maintain gutters with gutter protection. these gutter protection products should be taken off the market, because uninformed consumers are getting ripped off. just look at the back of my garage and see all of the metal gutter protection that i have removed and is just waiting to be taken to the scrap metal yard.
The microguard gutter guards that I've installed stopped my gutters from clogging every couple of months and it reinforces the gutter so branches don't dent it and they have yet to clog up 3 years later.
I can't allow my gutters to remain open in the Spring or in the Fall because if I did, every downspout would clog up every time it rains for weeks at a time. In the Spring, I get billions of maple leaf helicopters and all the other trash from trees for about 3 or 4 weeks. I would have to clean them every time BEFORE it rains or I'd have problems. In the Fall, it's all the leaves for about a month or 2. Same thing. If you don't clean your gutters every time BEFORE a rain, I would have tons of problems with my downspouts clogging up and gutters running over.
My research tells me that the best solution is for me to learn how to climb up a ladder with a stick and just shove the guck myself!!
Without brand names, how do you expect your audience to ask for the best cover>?
essentially, esp in my country which means NEEDLES all gutter covers are crap, IF roof fascia etc. is perfect, IF gutters perfect..and REMSAIN SO, IF micromesh SS gutter cover ATTACHED TO FASCIA AND GUTTER LIP properly..... possibly last 10 years... maybe
I only have a one story house, but I've never seen any gutter guard that has convinced me that it is less trouble than just cleaning the gutters once in a while.
Living in Ontario Canada we experience all nature throws at our treed property into our gutters. Each late fall I climb a ladder to the high side of the slope with garden hose in hand and rinse the gutters out. For safety I have my wife down at the bottom of the ladder to give me something soft to land on should I slip. Gutter guards,save your money.
@@happyrecluse2849 Here's a pro tip. Have your wife wear a bright green safety vest so you can always see where your landing spot is out of the corner of your eye. 😆
Hahaha, And to think green is her favorite color.
Oh my I’m glad we have them with lots of trees but the right kind must be used or they clog up. He’s right. They do help a lot so get the best one. Raptor rail with aluminum rails and a special stainless steel mesh. I’ve learned from others that this is very good. And you use screws to attach on both running rails and it helps strengthen. There is another kind….Leaf filter. Good reviews too.
I built an extension for my wet/dry portable shop vac out of central-vac pipe. I used 90° & 45° sweep fittings at the top to get the right angle for the last short piece of pipe that I cut to fit flat in the gutter. Works great! NO leaf guard, NO ladder!
That foam/ spounge turns into a root system for trees to grow in the gutters! Its crap! Any vinal cover is no good!
I was skeptical about the gutter guard foam, but a neighbor swore by it. I installed it five years ago and it has worked great so far, and yes I have lots of trees overhanging my roof. That being said it's ridiculously expensive for a piece of foam.
@@IrulianDark hope your luck continues. mine lasted about 5 years, i just had to pull them out today. they had completely deteriorated and became a great place for maple trees to take root. couldnt believe what i saw when i climbed up there. pretty much exactly as described in the video.
on my sunny side they grew trees, on my shady side they grew moss. what a waste. in northeast ohio here.
At home Depot they are like 7$ for a 5ft section, I'm thinking of using them just in the roof channels and leaving the straights open and maybe replacing them every year or two
And how much do they weigh once they are a year old? What is the daily torque they are putting on the attachments?
Don't purchase LEAFFILTER GUTTER PROTECTION system from LEAFFILTER NORTH because they do clog on top of the filter which is not covered by the warranty
Love the honesty! Fresh to hear negatives on products and not just down playing.
Help, I'm under a Walnut tree, worse than Maple seeds in the spring, thunkers and rollers in the fall, black crap all summer!
Gutter guard companies are almost all crooks. It’s ridiculous to charge $7900 for 200’ of gutter guards. I have a handyman who will clean my gutters once a year for $50. At $7900 I could have my gutters cleaned completely for 158 YEARS! And that’s with no gutter guards.
I think it’s absurd and dishonest for gutter manufacturers to make gutters with no covers. The cost to manufacture covered gutters would be negligible. It’s not rocket science.
I get so sick of the huge number of companies that are corrupt to the core. The larger the companies the worst the corruption is. Sadly, dollar for dollar the US is the most corrupt country in the world. It’s corrupt because of all the brainwashed fools who are against any and all regulations. Those idiots are helping predators steal from hard working people.
4 Worst Gutter Guards: Sponge, Brush, plastic covers, and cheap Leaf Guard....
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Well, whadda ya know -- I put those "worst gutter guards" sponge foam inserts in the gutters along my front porch, a very shaded area under two huge maple trees that otherwise overwhelm the gutters, and got at least 8 years of almost maintenance free use before they needed to be replaced. In the wet Northwest, small-mesh guards would've plugged with algae slime/dirt long before that, turning the gutter into a waterfall. I'll be putting in new foam soon.
(On the other hand, I wouldn't put them anywhere else around the house -- it's all about specific application.)
@@bokangleach great feedback, looks like you found use for them!
I got a wire mesh on my gutter. Keeps the big stuff out. Stays put. Had goofy clips but they don't work. Roof pebbles and dirt does get in but I clean every two years instead on yearly. Older subdivision and a lot of mature trees plus hedges, lilacs, etc.
I don't want anything that is screwed in because in this neighborhood you'll have to clean eventually.
For my one story house I duct tape an eight foot pvc section and elbow on my leaf blower, works great. My neighbor paid LeafFilter six thousand dollars to install on his one story house. I told him he was nuts.
POOR DEMO - did not clearly show each type which is whole point and lift the friggin shingles? this is a roof guy? sure left the shingles, no problem, no leak??? WTF? how can you trust someone who says something so stupid.
"Even if you don't have money, spend a little bit more"
*Every credit card company*
I installed seamless gutters for many years. I am qualified to tell you that using any kind of "Gutter Guard" is like putting Armor All on your valve stem caps! Lolol Just a way to get more $$$ from you pocket to someone else's pocket. Strainers do keep birds from building nests in the downspouts, but can block and fill gutters to very heavy weights. I don't sell gutter guards of any kind, I don't install it, I don't recommend it. Inspect your gutters and remove twigs and branches, then blow gutters out 2 or 3 times a year with a leaf blower and a gutter blower attachment, it's that easy. 2nd story gutters usually get enough wind to clear leaves when they are dry. The shingle granules are flushed by heavy rain provided your gutters have the proper pitch to the outlet drains. Flushing with a hose works verywell. The best gutters were the copper half round ones on old farmhouses, as they ever clog, the wind cleaned em just fine, they lasted for many, many years. Everything now is just made poorly. No magic cure, clean your gutters or have someone do it for you.
I have gutters that are 3 stories high in the back and size of my house
... I can't clean them multiple times a year. I'm getting too old for that. I want to try some chicken wire with say about 1/4 to 1/2 inch holes to try. Do they sell rolls of this?
@@rickwhoo1 look into valor gutter guards they have put in scientific builds into the screen. Works great. Check them out
I totally agree. No more filters or guards. Just clean the gutters twice a year. Must practice major safety procedures!
Rick Sievers what you’re talking about is called hail screen or hardware cloth..comes in 1/2 or 1/4 squares but it’s gonna be hard to anchor it to the gutter and roof. you can cut it with tin snips but i don’t think you would be happy. 1/4” squares will let tree seeds like maple get caught and wet leaves will probably dry and attach to the mesh..good luck with what ever you chose, if someone would make a good reliable sysgem they could sell it cheap and still make a fortune..
So do you have any suggestions for the best gutters in today's market being that you said they are off lower quality than in past times? I ask because I'm getting a house built but didn't trust the builders to give me good quality gutters so I'll do it when they are done. Plus I thought they'd charge me an arm and a leg
I’m just here to defend vinyl guards. I’ve had them on for years. Work fine.
Gutter helmets make great wasp and hornet homes.
The grit from the roof shingles don't clog the fine openings in the gutter cover? If you have 1/2" of granules in the bottom of your gutter, the water will still flow but that quantity of granules on the cover may be a problem.
I use flip gutters. In literally one or two minutes I can flip over and reset all the gutters on my house. Everything falls out.
I live in Florida and have several trees including oak and magnolia. Older home with various sized gutters. Was wondering about gutter whiskers? Do they stand up to the sun? Here the sun is brutal in summer and plastic almost melts.
I use the downspout screens and they work just fine for a year. I like to clean the gutters every year so that I know what is going on up there.
Are you kidding? Did it cross your mind that the guard itself is going to be plugged with debris and the rain will just flow over it onto the ground....Defeating the purpose of doing it.
Is this the honest and up-front man on UA-cam? Good info.
Wow, the drain guards that fit above the downspout are terrible. The leaves collect very quickly and the water cascades out of the gutter and down to your foundation. A miserable option
Is there a way to have a flapper door on the end of a gutter that you can manually open and allow everything to flush out the end? (thinking like an RV gate valve). Especially important to be accessible on the second story from the ground. Then it doesn't matter if debris fills it.
Excellent thought! This is important to do even if you have gutter guards. Inspect what is going on under your guards at least every season once.
Plz Move your typed Word Caption,
up to the Top of the screen!
We cannot SEE what your doing
I live in Florida. First course of Shingles are sealed to the drip edge with roof cement. So these gutter guards can’t be slipped under the shingles. Useless
Probably so hurricane winds 🌀 don't blow them away :)
I have seen the very same as you described with snow And ice with leaves get stu k on top of the screens. But I have been told that bulldog is the best. What is your advice? Bulldog is costly.
I’ve been called out to clean the leaf guard gutter, at every house the warranty had been voided out because the owner didn’t keep the gutters clean. However I did find a way to clean them out with all the leaves inside.
The owners were very upset , especially with what they had paid.
You can’t keep the grit out of the gutters so get the one that stops the limbs, leaves and nuts 🥜, and every 3 to 4 years the grits can be washed out because of the larger holes
Thanks for sharing, appreciate your feedback
That metal catcher doesn't work its total garbage. The problem with it is that when it rains it pushes all debris to the spout openings where that catcher is located. So all debris will be piled around the catcher not allowing water to drain in your down spouts creating a flood in your gutter system...one thing I don't understand is why can't gutter companies create a very large hole in the gutter where your down spout connects that way debris can be pushed inside of it easier by the strong flow of water when it rains? Why is it not possible to create a hole large enough to go from end to end on the gutter part that connects to the spout that way when things come across they have to go in the hole instead of skipping it and moving further down the gutter system?
Great video sir, NO, “BS” just straight facts. Many of those you have shown, I have seen at the stores, your thoughts mirror mine. One thing I will add, that big sponge one “STINKS BAD”.
Thank you, appreciate feedback!
Roofing Insights - Thank you too, have a great day, every day.🙂
campmein - really good point about the smell........
Thanks for sharing , didnt know all this and i was going to get a few since my neighbor has a big tree and all the leaves go in my left side of the gutter ... thought this might help cut down on all that mess .. then i dont have to keep going up there to clean out the leaves..
Excellent. I almost purchased the foam gutter guards for ease of install. I wasn't thinking about dirt roof debris clogging them. Thanks for the video.
I DID just buy them and back to the store tomorrow
i was using the plastic mesh for 27 years on my gutters and do not have any problem just do the roof and my gutter look like new the small debris will wash out by rainwater and chuted down
I have actually had great success with the cheap plastic ones with the round holes and mircoscreen. I have had them on my house for 12 years. I removed them this year to paint the gutters and fascia. The only gutter that had any build up was a 40 footer with only one downspout and not enough pitch,
I have been listening to all your excellent advice . Thank you. So in conclusion I feel the best gutters to get is seamless 5 inch gutters. By chance any one in particular?.
I have a ranch house and have my young son( now 22 ) get on the roof and clean out the gutters. He can do the whole house in 15 minutes. I used to do it myself but am too old and fat to do it now. If you can not find anyone to do it, then use a j shaped extension on a blower and blow out the gutters. Then get on ladder and inspect in a few places. If you can not do any of this you will have to hire someone. Leaf covers are crap.
Micro mesh will plug due to roof granules. Let the granules fall into the holes into the gutter and running water will flush them out of the downspout.
This guy knows nothing and hard to understand.
I must be lucky. I installed plastic snap in grates with large holes from a big box store over 10 years ago and never had an issue.
I'm goin with leaf filter next week 😢. My neighbor keeps complaining to me about cleaning my gutters. So im goin to get these so I wont have to clean them ever again.
No matter which option you choose a good summary is: that you still have to clean and maintain your gutters but most of these products will reduce how often you have to.
False
@@RoofingInsights3.0 u can't just say false without an explanation
@@ernievilla6840Villa agreed it was a stupid response!!!
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*Actually, that might be true. Not as often, but **_removing_** the screens / covers to allow the "less often" cleaning negates the advantage. Cleaning becomes a hellofa job.*
I have to disagree. I put the plastic ones on my new 2,600 square foot house in 2006 and they have not failed and work really well. I have three locations on the house where I still have to put a ladder up to clean buildup off the top of the guard and that is due to house design and no the design of the guard. The three locations all have crickets where three different roof lines drain and there is a deflector on the gutter to prevent overflow in these locations. The deflector catches and traps leaves and what I call oak pods that drop from numerous trees in the spring time. For the little time I have to put up ladder to clean these areas twice a year, I would install the same product all over again. I see no failure or sagging of these guards.
I got estimate from the LF company
Wanted 10000 but came down to
7,000 if i decided then
Uh not happening
Loved your comparisons. I think you are spot on with assessments for residential roofs. However, I have an almost flat commercial building metal roof in which I had guards like your second best you recommend with small holes. I have found these horrible for my roof because they can’t pass enough water through the small holes when there is a half decent rain (large roof area collects lots of water). The water then pools on top of the guard (particularly with some leaves on top also), and it flows over the gutter edge and into my building creating a leak that actually pools water! I have no doubt my building is poorly designed (and it’s old too), but in my case the small hole guards (flat AL with too few and too small hole) are causing leaks instead of helping to prevent them. I had the spout guards before but they would clog with leaves and then gutters overflow, again with leaks. I’m going to remove the small hole guards and replace them with a large hole mesh type. Since I have a metal roof, I’m not concerned about aggregate collecting, and I can spray out debris every couple years: I just need to keep leaves from clogging the spouts. Bottom line is one size doesn’t fit all. Thanks for the comparison!
Liked and subscribed. So the Menard’s Clean Mesh micro guard is the best home buyer product?
I mean this seriously, I like the way you talk. Also thanks for the videos this is helping me make decisions.
thank you, appreciate it
Leaf Filter is the best Way better than leaf guard leaf guard has an opening where debris gets inside were Leaf Filter has a stainless steel mesh with a pure vinyl casing on it no debris zero clogs.
On my house 33 years ago the gutter installers used a 1/4" screen material as a leaf guard. Still in use. I still have to clean the gutters time to time but after watching this I'm probably going to keep what I have. I was considering spending money on plastic or metal covers. This video was very helpful. Seems no system is perfect.
I probably have 75 feet of gutters.
You saved me a lot of money.
Thanks
I'm just starting this video but NONE work. The biggest scam on homeowners
Thanks, a very good presentation. You answered all the questions I had pertaining to the differences between gutter guard types and how they'd preform compared to each other.
The elephant in the room is the actual design of gutters SUCK. If that was addressed you wouldn’t NEED to add something on to FIX them.
Thanks, you just saved me a lot of time and money. Think I'll just keep cleaning my gutters by hand.
Glad I could help!
So who’s pushing the gutter guards in like this clown cmon man there just going to sit there it isn’t that serious with regular maintenance these are all good smh
Just out of my curiosity. If you put screws in your gutter covers and eventually you will need for sure clean them, the process of cleaning them would be incredibly tedious. Right?
One guy above said leave a removable 1foot section to be able to get a hose up there to flush out gutters.
Useful information. Why am I thinking of Father Guido Sarducci though?
Just had Leaf filter rep give me a quote the first quote was for $21000 then he dropped it to $15880 then final buy today special was $6750 . THAT BULL SHIT SCREW THE CUSTOMER i showed him the door........