Who REALLY Killed BRIAN JONES of the ROLLING STONES? - If Guitars Could Speak... #28
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2021
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Brian Jones of the Rolling Stones. One of the most mercurial and misunderstood rockers of the 1960s. And one of the first of his era to die at the age of 27.
Today, we will be chronicling the last few years of the life of Brian Jones, talented multi-instrumentalist and founder of the Rolling Stones. Jones’ eventual death is shrouded in mystery, but I believe that it’s more important to zoom from that tiny moment in history to look at the big picture, the people who surrounded Brian in those early years of success, and who ultimately cut him out of the band he founded and then failed to help him as his substance abuse problems and depression slowly killed him.
Really enjoyed this. Watched the entire thing. Subscribed.
Thanks so much, Keith!
Me too!!
@@TheGuitarHistorian There where whispers that the entire band was there that night. Of coarse one of those people that made those whispers was murdered by the same 'handyman' who oversaw the 'execution ritual' of 'Brian Jones'. They all played a part.
I read all this earlier on and usually don’t speak to this type of thing cause I think technology takes us places we shouldn’t be but this doesn’t pass the sniff test and I grew up listening to this stuff.I was happy to see Mich Taylor take his place though.with the money that was there for the taking,,,,sniff,snifff,sniff,sniff,good article though,glad to see not everyone believes the B.S. just because someone says so an god knows there was enough money to make everyone say so
@@barrykilts4506 names, dates, places and faces. The 'Rolling Stones' were involved in a ritual to kill Brian Wilson, the 'yard worker' was the 'priest' over seeing the affair. The dead bodies are the testament to the spell that was cast. I'm not just referring to Brian Jones, I'm referring to the pregnant witness that was murdered by the 'yard worker' aka 'cabbie' aka 'Mi5'.
You are a willing pawn my sheep.
"I'm the only one to leave the Stones and live to talk about it" Mick Taylor, when he quit.
woah!
I do not doubt you, please send a wee bit of a fun story , just to make us oldies smile at your secret life.
it make me really happy
bobby keys..he n nicky hopkins would go out w cocker. i knew someone in joe c s band.
And then Bill Wyman quit.
And he is still alive I believe?
@@marshabrown2561 Mick made that comment many years earlier...right after he quit.
In Paul McCartney's book, Many Years from Now, Paul states point blank, Brian's death likely was not an accident.
Could u give a quote from the book please new news to me
utter rubbish
@@Paul_G73 because you say so? I suppose you've seen the death clause in Brian's contract then and know who got paid for the rights to use the band name Rolling Stones since it was Brian who owned the name. The name alone is worth killing for but what would Paul McCartney know right.
@@ponzo1967 the autopsy report said it was death by misadventure. It was a police autopsy on a dead human, not a mediocre one.
@@ponzo1967 No one killed Brian Jones. It was a accident. He probably fell asleep went right under the pool.
I really dislike the conclusion, that "it doesn't matter if he was murdered because he would have died anyway due to his depression from his inability to adapt to the Stones' musical evolution." First of all, if he was murdered, it matters tremendously just because a murder is not trivial or unimportant, or somehow negated by the vague notion that the death might have occurred anyway through other causes and that "he couldn't escape his 27 destiny". Second, bandmates growing apart musically happens all the time, and there is nothing wrong or catastrophic about Brian leaving the Stones if he wasn't interested in their music direction. Staying in a band where you don't like the music is a recipe for catastrophe, so leaving the Stones could be seen in a positive light. Considering Brian's efforts to form a new group and play with other musicians, it's clear his career hadn't run its course and he could have made music that he actually believed in and cared about had he lived. I just don't see enough arguments that he was somehow destined to die and could not live without Stones.
I agree. Very disrespectful statement.
Good pts.
I'm with you on that
Agree 100% . That's like saying well your mother was murdered but it' doesn't really matter cuz she was going to die anyway.
In all fairness I believe that the real point was that the"guitar historian" was attempting to stay neutral on the whole conspiracy thing. He may have concluded instead that the actual facts in BJ's death still remain mysterious, and that everyone will need to draw their own conclusions
I agree!!!!!
I never understood why I liked the early Stones music much more than their later music but now I understand. Thanks Brian. Thanks a million for the music of my life.
Same here
You liked the 60s music and you are nostalgic for it. Brian did not contribute any musical ideas in the 60s any more than he did in the 70s.
The writing was all Mick and Keith.
I found the book by Bill Wyman, "Stone Alone", on the sidewalk in Portland, so I read it. That is the best book on the early 1960's UK rock scene I've ever read. Wyman didn't use drugs or alcohol, so he was one of the few musicians who remembered what happened..? Brian Jones was supposedly really into Creedence Clearwater Revival, and wanted to get a band together and play that kind of music. The Stones weren't into the blues enough for him, so he was resolved to leave and form his own band, since his vision had been pushed aside by Jagger and Richards. Brian could get beautiful women by the score, so he wasn't devastated by losing his girl to Keith. So I don't believe Brian Jones committed suicide, rather his "handyman", who he was about to fire, drowned him in the pool, even supposedly admitted it on his deathbed..? I'm no expert on the Stones, but Bill Wyman is, and that's what I remember from his book, although I've been known to remember things wrong, so best read it yourselves (you'll dig it)!
Totally agree with you on this Bill was the man to know at the end of the day I really do think Frank Thorogood did finish off Brian Jones either by accident with a bit of rough play in the pool or deliberately
If I found something in the streets of Portland, I would boil it in water just to disinfect it before I touch it and you can't do that with a book because it's paper. Nevertheless... Bill Wyman in the book you mention, "Stone Alone" speculated that Brian's pool death may have been a consequence of an epileptic seizure which is quite possible. Bill's speculation is backed up with information he acquired about one of Brian's offspring, a daughter who was an epilepsy victim although her mother has no epilepsy in her family.
Why kill someone who has been paying and is well off? Handyman doing bad work? By whose standards and show me some photos of this sloppy work.
Drowning is easy enough to do without swimming under the influence of drugs. You will make mistakes but while in deep water the side of the pool is a long way off when you are out of breathe and panic sets in-you are forced by the body to inhale and if you are under water that the end.
Read it, says some pretty solid things about Brian's relationship with jagger. . . .There was a hostile takeover, and they wrote the history
I wish Brian would have had a switch blade on him that night so he ..Could have GUTTED that handy man !
Very good summation of those years. Brian was a sweet man, I know because I used to wash his hair back in '68 - '69 when I worked at Sweeny's in Knightsbridge as a young man of 17.
Wow
It’s the industry that kills rock stars who don’t want to do what they want
sounds like it was the thug builders he was using rather than the music industry that did the deed.
@@joefoley1480 Most on here want there to be a conspiracy. An Agatha Christie. 'Who did it' Cannot except that he may just have fell in the pool and drowned., it may have been that simple....I know there is an ..alleged.. cover up by the police for a botched investigation. Now I can believe that because they have done just that a few times in the past. Brian Jones was a talented musician, he started the greatest rock band ever. Perhaps he was just overwhelmed by the lifestyle...who knows.
Yep it's the Mafia owned industry, if they don't do what we say, send a message.
@@brianperry Brian passed out, as he was prone to do after he brought himself down from his amphetamine bender with Brandy and whisky...
This time he was in his pool alone and he sank to the bottom and died.
The only mystery is why it hadn't happened sooner.
Brian killed himself with Booze and drugs.
He played 28 instruments 🎸
Not all at the same time though.
😂
@@azilionzoman6721
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@@TheGuitarHistorian 7:48
He played 31 instruments..
He was murdered no doubt. The resentment towards him by the public and the 'establishment' meant his house wasn't even considered a crime scene for 2 days in which people just sauntered into his home and took stuff. It's should be considered a cold case and the murdered needs to be brought to justice.
Absolutely. Very dodgy players involved in his death and goings on at the house the night he was murdered.
Rite On Bro!
@@jaygolden535 Did you ever see the docu of Brian Jones' teenage girlfriend and mother of his child, sorry her name escapes me, spending time with a psychic......
@@heyabusa1
No I have not seen it yet -
I’ll look into that - Thanx for the Suggestion…
@@jaygolden535 Ill try and find it and post you a link here. You dont have to be into the psychic bit, although its very interesting to say the least, but the places they visit and people they speak to is very interesting indeed. Give me a few mins and I'll get back to you.
As a Pisces, whether you believe in cosmic patterns or not, Brian Jones is the poster child. The fact that he was creative, depressed, abusing substances, into ~HYPNOSIS~ and died by drowning... Just, sad cosmic irony. RIP Brian & the 27 club
Also I am a 27 yo Pisces that struggles with all of those things- but I'm an excellent swimmer. xoxo to others struggling you are loved
My heart goes out to the Pisces community. Such sensitive souls.
@@monilaninetynine3811 I have a Pisces moon..does that count? lol
@@DefianceGal it does indeed
@@melorgomolox6828 I love pisceans. Most of my friends are p..always wtd to fall in love with a piscean but never felt more than soulmates yet with no physical attraction. Except for kurt Cobain! Physically just my type! And Keuth Urban..a scorp/libran, just like me.
Great video man!
Thanks for this well-done take on the subject. One thing that is clear is that addiction and mental health issues were considered a moral failing and a weakness, and to this day those attitudes still muck up a good recovery story.
Letting go of obsessions and seeking help could have enabled Brian Jones to develop a new project, new relationships and change his fate in history, had real support been available to him.
Just previous to watching this video I watched an interview with SRV as he explained his breakdown in Germany that was catalyst for his recovery. He still met with tragedy but he died clean and sober “with his boots on”, and is forever a great success story in that regard.
Thanks again for this informative and beautifully made video
My recent frustration has been researching subject after subject that has met the same fate. But we also, as you said, I have to take things into perspective. It was a different time. Mental health is still not something that is given the respect that it deserves. And 50 years ago it certainly wasn’t understood. Borderline ignored.
@@TheGuitarHistorian I think one of the most heartbreaking stories re addiction and mental health was Rory Gallagher. Perhaps the factors of drinking, prescription meds pushed him into depression. In those days no one regarded mental health as an issue which it most likely was in his case. His death was such a terrible loss. Every year he is honoured by 10,000 people in Ballyshannon. He is so loved and respected. It would have been so much better if he could have realized that and received the help he needed. Nowadays sports figures are speaking out and hopefully musicians will as well.
he was not and addict so exagerrated and got clean seriously stop listening and spreading rumours
@@MoroccanMelody not sure if you’ve seen but I’ve done 2 episodes on Rory.
@@TheGuitarHistorian Hi, yes I saw both episodes in Forgotten Fretmasters and If Guitars Could Speak. Both excellent and well researched. I think one point about Rory as pointed out by his brother Donal that Rory did drink but it was more the addiction to the prescribed medications combined with the alcohol that contributed to his increasing depression and breakdown of his health. He was never into hard drugs of any kind. His brother tried to get the doctors to stop prescribing the medications but they would not. It is a great tragedy that pulled Rory down and led to his death.
really well put together video man loved it.
There's no mystery to all these rock star deaths: drug and alcohol abuse kills.
I clicked on this video expecting to watch for about a minute and made it all the way to the end. Great stuff. Thank you for all the information!
This video is mostly myths lies and fantasies. Very little of the narration has any truth in it.
At least I'm sometimes able to visit his grave in Cheltenham as my in-laws are buried in the same cemetery and there's always flowers around his Headstone..🎶🎸
They were kids. I've lost numerous friends and family the same way over the last 50 years.
As you mentioned, Brian would have probably passed one way or another sooner than later.
I was fortunate to make it to age 30 along with a lot of my friends. We had the same thoughts of not making it to be 30 years old. You never know. Lost some friends as young as 14 from drugs.
Any way you look at it though it's sad.
Jones' autopsy revealed that his heart was dangerously enlarged, cirrhosis of his liver had it swollen and on the verge of failure. His lungs were hardened with emphysema from more than a decade of heavily smoking cigarettes and drugs while suffering for his whole life from asthma. He was reportedly severely depressed and he was going insane from the constant use of strong psychedelics. He was in no condition to be going for a midnight swim.
Had Brian not drowned that night it is doubtful that he could have lived another year in his condition and downward spiral.
Brian Jones had been killing himself for quite some time.
He was not liked by anyone who had come to know him well . ..
But I believe that the person who hated Brian Jones the most was, Brian Jones.
Get lost, fake fan.
Keith's drug use was second to none, dear boy, too many complications for a 27 year old to have brought upon themselves in a few short years..
@@user-zx8qq1so7j I agree, user, dear boy...
The drugs get the headlines but the booze is what really did Brian in.
Keith had the good sense to moderate... But Brian had no such filter on his indulgences.
Keith could take a few shots of JD ,just to get a good buzz on and he kept playing, singing and writing. Brian couldn't stop until the bottle was empty and he was helplessly unconscious and on the floor.
As far as anyone knows, and it is obvious that he does, Keith still has a healthy heart and liver at 80.
Brian was dead at 27.
Brian simply put, was the very essence of the stones, they were never the same after we lost him.
me too. the original Stones were a great group , together, their chemistry, at least in the first years, and they didn't survive. They aren't the same group. i saw them in November 1964 and November 1969 and they were starkly different, not the same band. still great musicians but not that chemistry and cohesiveness of their first years. .
No they were never the same ...The got much better when the hired a real creative guitar player.
I wonder why the Stones didn't go the Brian Wilson route and say to Jones: "Look, we know you can't tour the States, but we are going to do it anyway with Mick Taylor. You stay here, relax and get your head together, work on your music or our music or whatever and we'll see if we can work together when we get back." What was there to lose by doing that? It might have been pointless and Brian would have died the same way anyway but the 'trial separation' might have worked.
@Bliggick
Jagger and Richards weren't going to be that "kind" towards Brian because they couldn't wait to be rid of him because of how cruel he treated his bandmates. Possibly Karma was coming around for Brian. It's truly too bad what happened to Brian Jones. Perhaps if he hadn't hired that "handyman" referred to him by Keith Richards and did his own searching of a "handyman" and drawn up a contract and paid 50% upfront and the remaining 50% when the work was done. Also, Brian had ailments that most young men at the same age do not have. RIP Brian Jones. Good presentation, however, you didn't tell me anything new that I had already read about. I believe "The Glimmer Twins" a/k/a Jagger and Richards received the "Kings" ransom from Oldham to become the "new" leaders of the band and Brian was ousted from a band that he invested so much time and effort and talent into. I have zero respect for Jagger and Richards because today they are snobs. Everyone talks about how many children Brian had sired with different girls. Look at Jagger: to date he has eight (8) by different women. Richards became a druggie and was sent off to get better and the band had to stop. This is when Wyman began writing and recording his own stuff and releasing the albums in the UK until Richards came back from his hospital stay for his drug issue. I read that Jagger had an argument with Pallenberg accusing her of ruining the life of his best friend. Soon after Richards and Pallenberg divorced. Richards hooked up with a model and had more children. However, no one throws stinging arrows at their lifestyles just honors them. Poor Brian. I realize he was the beginner and finisher of his life and the part he would play with his own band. Life isn't fair to no one!
Mick and Keith were jealous of Brian's musical talent, that he could play multiple instruments, and despite the fact that he wasn't a songwriter, his ability with many instruments gave the songs a color and character that later Stones songs lacked, as good as they were. After Brian, Stones songs became more typical of a blues rock band.
Keith already stole his style and girlfriend, Jagger his persona for Performance, had abused him in the studio with unplugged mics, wrong session dates...getting rid of him was a dream for them
All over a petty extra five he paid himself in the early days. I like Mick and Keith but it puts a bad taste in one's mouth.
@@furtherdefinitions1
Definitely! I can see Jagger & Richards being jealous of Brian because of his incredible talents when it came to instrumentation on songs. Funny you should say that after Brian's death the Stones became more typical of a blues rock band because I just read where Paul McCartney called the Stones "A Blues Cover Band" and Paul got into a mess with Jagger about that interview.
Jagger and Richards and Watts really PS me because of how they hired Oldham and Oldham chose those two Glimmer Twins to be the band leaders and disposed of Brian Jones like used garbage. Incredible move and it took balls to do that.
@@steveconn
Definitely! Brian was the entire brain child of the band in the early days and they repaid him with jealousy and becoming mad of paying himself an extra five! Give me a break guys! He employed Jagger and Richards. He made all the phone calls and the connections! And you begrudge the guy! Jagger has fathered more children with different women than Brian. Richard's fingers are all twisted and gnarled. I saw a video that Richards stumbled on stage during a concert. What a klutz!
I been listening to a lot of Brian Jonestown Massacre , lately..
Crazy to see this as a video..
Thank you..
Great work !!
Just a kid of 8 in '64 and given the single of Tell Me from The Rolling Stones. New to us.
Bought the single of Jumping Jack Flash, evil incarnate on the picture sleeve ;)
Seemed like less than a year later, Brian was dead.
First of the 27 club,,,,ha, He introduced Jimi at Monterey !!
Love this channel I have trouble reading and comprehending what I read so watching videos like this helps me understand the history of bands a lot of these things I would have never known if not for videos like this this is pure brilliant
Brian's DNA is all over early hits that don't show a writing credit. Ruby Tuesday would not be the beautiful song it is without Brian Jones.
It's a shame he never had a chance to start a new band because his musical talent was far above most musicians of his time.
I would’ve definitely liked to have seen what he did next.
Brian's DNA is all over the early hits, really? Brian was a fine musician, but the hits weren't really his style at all, in my opinion. YMMV.
@@slimturnpike He played the central riff on their first self-written hit, The Last Time, the key slide on Little Red Rooster, played the sitar on Paint It Black, the key marimba on Under My Thumb...made many of the early songs out of the ordinary.
@@steveconn Fair enough.
Probably the most overrated song that the Stones ever recorded.
It wasn't Frank Thorogood. They guy had the run of the place. was getting with attractive young women -- he had no reason to kill Jones and cut off this meal ticket, it doesn't make logical sense. It was Tom Keylock who held Brian under the water and apparently some guys showed up and started removing Brian's things almost immediately, burned some of his belongings, his guitars and clothes too. It was a hit orchestrated by Allen Klein and Keylock probably wanted to kill Brian anyway. The Stones had promised Brian money that they didn't have, and Klein, who really wanted the Beatles to begin with, was poised to rip the Stones off for millions and control their lucrative back catalog. Brian was expendable, and the Stones turned that death into a sacrifice of sorts given the type of people they dealt with, witches, Satanists, Kenneth Anger and that group. It's easy to seduce insecure young people into doing things they wouldn't normally do with promises of fame, sex and money.
There’s… a lot of accusations there. Allen Klein was a money laundering douche, but a murderer? And blaming lowly driver Keylock? Come on
@@TheGuitarHistorian Keylock was also British Intelligence. He wasn't just a 'lowly driver'. The Stones and the Beatles both had some really 'heavy' people around them. Brian's murder is well accepted as such, which is why Keylock put the story out about Thorogood's deathbed confession. It's just that Thorogood had no reason to kill Jones whatsoever. Keylock did. He was employed by the Stones as Brian's personal 'minder' and he absolutely hated the job by all accounts. The Stones did promise Brian a healthy payout and 100,000 pounds a year for as a long as the Stones were a viable band. At that point Brian became very expendable to a lot of people, the Stones were broke and 3 years away from having to go into tax exile.
There is a lot more to the death of Brian Jones than sleeping pills and a swimming pool. That 'official story' has been told many times and it's never held up to begin with. It's a cover up for the type of death that happens in the entertainment business all the time.
Klein took Sam Cooke for a ride, as his widow found out later. Alan Klein was the reason the Beatles split. George, John, & Ringo wanted Klein. Paul wanted Linda Eastmans dad to manage them. I think I read that in Rolling Stone, way back in the 70s. (We know what a reputation they have for honest journalism). Yes it seems every one who got mixed up with A Klein, ended up being ripped off. Keef called it "the price of an education", Mick wasn't quite so forgiving. (On the 25x5 documentary about the first 25 years of the Stones. Could be wrong on the exact title.)
@@bluesingmusic3443 And do you know what? The 'official story' was that Sam Cooke was shot to death at a motel by a scared employee after a hooker ran out of his room screaming for her life. Apparently, the hooker was a setup, and the men she was with followed Sam there and did the deed. He was so severely beaten that his face was unrecognizable and his neck was broken. Rumor has it that Klein and 'friends' from Morris Levy's office do it because Cooke was setting up his own music publishing company for himself and other black artists and he would have cost them millions by doing so.
radiofacts.com/sam-cookes-1964-murder-case-needs-further-exploration/
Plus Brian was an excellent swimmer so it’s questionable
Kids in their twenties are simply not capable of seeing the world other than through their own experience.
And it happens in bands, "it's a dead weight, what do we do?".
Time passes, and despite friendship, anything that gets in the way of ambition must be "eliminated", even abruptly.
I was kicked out of a band, more than 40 years ago now, and the wound remained.
But why was you kicked out of the band ?
@@nutcracker2916 Not good enough.
@@ericgiova1663 At least you're honest.
Yeah same thing happened to me. I wasn’t good enough in the end. Hurts for sure.
@@nutcracker2916 It was a wake up call actually.
I started to work on my play seriously after that. So, in the end it was not so bad, even if...
Excellent analysis, just discovered your channel today and I am balls deep into an Excellent binge!
You described Jones as abrasive, but Mick Jagger described Jones as being one of the most kind-hearted people he knew, and he was very deeply affected by Brian's death. While there may have been a little distancing between band members due to creative differences, it was Brian's drug abuse and his resulting behavior which eventually led to much of the discord and disagreement, but the others still continued to put up with him till they just couldn't any longer because he was no longer an asset but a liability. As for Brian's suspicious and controversial death, I am more inclined to believe the handyman's version upon admitting upon his deathbed that he did indeed cause Brian's death.
Are you kidding. jagger & Richard’s have done nothing but discredit him for decades but with the internet they can no longer pretend he wasn’t in the band.
I have to agree with Mick, in those early experimental days with pot and LSD we didn't really understand the effect drugs had on a person or even that people would get addicted to certain pills and such. It wasn't until about the late '70s that we started realizing what drugs had done to a lot of people. I knew a few of the many people who died from heroin overdoses. But I would say the vast majority of us, like 99% of us, didn't go down the addictive drug path and didn't know that much about it. I still smoke cannabis and I'm 70. And I'm sure Mick and Keith snorted their fair share of coke lines back in the day.
Sorry, cocaine was not popular in the 60's, cost was high and no one could justify the cost for the minor effect it produced, crystal meth was King, cheap and lots of kick, that was what those times liked..
Thank you ! Very informative and interesting !
Very interesting. Thanks for putting this together
Outstandly presented, Thank you😊
A very honest, personal, intelligent and somber presentation regarding my favorite Rolling Stone, Mr. Brian Jones. May he rest in peace!
Same here! Still love & miss him so much! Was blessed 2 have seen them in 65 & 66 in my hometown $5.00 tickets & remember to this day what he wore that one year! First crush on musician then & still is at 72 now such a tragic lose! ❤️🇺🇸☮️
Agreed!.....I truly believe the Stones were at their BEST with Brian Jones...Alot of their early hits go unplayed today by Radio Stations and they play alot of their post 1975 songs...I just like their songs better with BJ.....Rest in Peace! Brian
Definitely bro!
@@b.w.barbee2269 me too!
@@cathsalazar9930 Mick Taylor was better
An excellent overview of Brians short life.
As a nurse with experience on autism, Brian Jones was definitely on the autism spectrum. The drug use was self medicating as autism affects the nervous system.
Great video & channel👏🏻
I read that towards the end when Brian was in the studio and asked, "What do you want me to play?" Mick and Keith would respond, "What CAN you play?"
Mick couldn’t play anything except the tambourine! He was hardly in a position to criticise.
@@Woodman-Spare-that-tree he sang and played a bit of guitar and harmonica. As far Brian, he really fell apart so I'm sure that Mick could hear the difference between how he USED to be and what he became.
I never liked Jagger/Richards characters.Not my cup of tea.
Jagger always was an opportunist Richards a selfish junkie.
But what would you do with a guy who couldn' t bring usuable contributions to the band' s music anymore.
And they had too much to do with themselves as to be sensitive with Jones.
Jones' last good effort was the slide guitar on No expectations.
It’s always adorable when Mick straps on a guitar lol
You can still attend the man’s funeral. Btw, when Jones died, his slice of the royalties went with him…just saying
This was a very sad and tragic story. RIP Brian. Thank you for the great video and also for not wearing a Philly shirt 😂
No promises in the future! 😂
Thank you for this..
Really Appreciate all your time granted, My Father reminds me almost everytime we hear the Stones. I gladly share this with him & look forward to discussing... MERCI
They didn't help Brian because they were all on drugs too. It was a systemic problem with the band and it's pretty amazing the rest survived, especially Keith
Quite shocked by the conclusion here! There's hardly any investigation of the big questions around his death and then the claim that his death was inevitable. It absolutely was not.
I agree it was a little harsh. I’ve been getting down on all these amazing musicians I’ve been chronicling knowing that they died way before their time. Wishing they were still here. If you’ve ever been frustrated that a person can’t change themselves and wonder why, that’s kind of where my headspace was at. I tried to be just as hard on the fellow Stones as well, who I feel could have been more supportive. And maybe Keith shouldn’t have stolen his girlfriend…
@@TheGuitarHistorian I just read an old book "Golden Stone" and in it the author stated Jones had just finished his first solo single in his home studio. It was written in the 90s and she was frustrated that it appeared to have disappeared. I've searched around and it does seem to have disappeared completely. There is no mention of it anywhere. It would have been fascinating to hear and it is a good indication of his positive and forward-planning mindset. The book also mentioned a statement from Jones' loyal groundsman who described watching Thorogood's men come in after the death and gut the place, stealing money and burning lots of stuff in a big bonfire in the garden. It seems certain to me he was murdered and the police actively covered it up. The implications of this are huge. Have you heard of the book "Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon"? The author puts forward a good case for many of the big 60s bands being involved to some extent with the intelligence services.
@@TheGuitarHistorian You left out that keith rubbed it in Brian's face by having her at the studio and making out with her in front of Brian. You also left out that anita went back and forth between keith and Brian for months. It was a cruel game to play on a man so troubled and, for some unknown reason, in love with her. But like Marianne Faithfull said, that was how anita was and she liked hurting Brian. It was a power trip to her and anita could be very cruel.
@@nodarkthings It didn't disappear, it was burned along with a lot of other things. There are photos of Brian's things being burned in his yard. I read in a few books that it was on the instructions from mick and keith. They didn't want anything released to change their narrative of him all drugged up and useless and that is why they fired him.
@@nodarkthings Who was the author? Interested to read this.
Well done and well put together
Great, well made video. Thanks.
He really didn't create the Stones. He wanted a blues cover band, Keith and Mic wrote new songs that defined the Stones. Jones was a decent musician with mental health and substance abuse problems who couldn't get over being sidelined.
Of course Brian created the Stones. The Blues never stopped being an influence and Brian contributed greatly to Keith and Mick's songs.
Brian's contribution was mostly as a musician and not as a writer. He wanted to be a blues "cover" band. That's different from say Hendrix or Clapton or Page who were blues influenced and wrote new music to that effect.
You are very confused if you think musicians don't create and contribute. You also have a narrow definition of what writing is. You're also not too familiar with how the band, including Brian, developed over time.@@caryl246
The coroner's report stated "death by misadventure", and noted his liver and heart were heavily enlarged by drug and alcohol abuse.
Misadventure? More like murder..
@@margueritemazzeo2904 Jones was dying by his own hand. Asthmatics who chain smoke cigarettes and drugs for 15 years rarely live past 30.
Excellent presentation. I was intrigued
Brian Jones was on a completely different plane than everyone else! Hendrix could understand because he was too! This happened to Danny Kirwan of Fleetwood Mac also, although he survived in a limited and disabled way. Skip Spence of Moby Grape comes to mind, ending his life in a half-way house in Frisco. There is no place for people who can't be exploited in one way or another.
Kinda funny you mentioned Hendrix...who died being "drowned in alcohol" like SO MANY others...all of whom I believe were MURDERED. Jani Lane of "Warrant" close to me...(see the Bond movie "Tomorrow Never Dies")
Skip Spence diddled kids. F that creep…
From a musicians point of view, Jones was a decent rhythm guitarist when he was clean and sober. He tried playing a lot of other instruments but he never mastered any of them.
Brian Jones wasn't talented enough to carry a piss bucket for Jimi Hendrix.
That you try to equate their plane of musicianship together is hilarious.
Taylor was treated as expendible too- though like Jones his contributions exceded Richards
great video! I overheard guys talking about Dylan giving All Along the Watchtower to Hendryx, and they had been to a Stones concert the night before, and if I had seen this video 3 days earlier, I would have told them about Brian Jones playing the percussion on the Hendryx track and blown their minds.
He died the same way of comedian Joe Flynn who know a bit more about Marilyn Monroe.
Love Brians 2000 Light Years From Home! one of the first singles I ever played!
GREAT Video
I’m 60 and been a Stones fan (for better or worse sickness and …..) since I was 6 and heard ‘let’s Spend the Night Together on the radio when I was 6 and I agree with this analysis. Brian was great but he had issues. Today he would be in therapy. I mean it’s kind of like Peter Green or Syd Barret. Some of the most talented people are the most vulnerable. They turned me on to Blues as far back as Charlie Patton and Muddy and Reggae like Toots and the Maytals and Jimmy Cliff and Sly Dunbar and Robbie Shakespeare also country rock like Carl Perkins and Scotty Moore and Gram Parsons. I’ve learned a lot about music by listening to and devolving theirs (I think that’s a word ) lol
He was sacrificed as requested by you know who . Just like Sid , Kurt , Lennon and Mac . Sacrifice the best - death as price of fame .
From the age of 13 to now (60) I've read so many books about the Stones, including 'Blown Away" which I thought was rather good as it was written as 'horses mouth' interviews. That said, Brian has been gone a long time and what truthfully happened that night died with him. Janet Lawson and Anna Wohlin may have been scared into silence. Police didn't get far proving any foul play leading to the Misadventure verdict. It's always been a big grey area, Brian was supposedly off drugs but still drank, only Amphetamines were in his body if memory serves me right. Keylock's hands probably weren't clean, as for Thorogood, his 'deathbed confession' may be the closest we'll get to the truth. Was Keylock lying all those years later about Frank confessing? (due to Thorogood being about to die)...a very tangled tale indeed.
Yeah his autopsy shows therapeutic drugs and a couple of drinks.
Keylock was known to lie when he was in the army. One of the reasons he was discharged from service.
Very good video. Nicely done.
I always thought that he drowned? He was drunk or Hi and decided to go for a swim? That's what I remember reading back in the day. 😭
Yes, a caretaker was questioned about the event and admitted that Brain was horsing around and being a general asshole. He held him under the water a bit too long. End of story. This is old hat bullshit. This guy is a know nothing. Look at his ancient albums . Lol. I imagine he will talk about Charles Manson and The Beach Boys next. Same shit over and over again. And again and again.. WTF. Thousands of bands out there and people glom to the same fucking 30 groups. That is America. Land of the lost.
@7 Haunted Days How many albums did you make? What stars have you hung out with? You dream about the days I belonged to. I go on lame sites to call out know nothing losers like you. I was there when History was made. Where were you?
Beside all that B.S. I loved the stones and still do. Saw them in ‘72, 74or 5( not sure)81 and and at least once more when Wyman was still there. I just despise people bringing up the same ole shit . Over and over and ignore all the great new bands. In which there are thousands!!
Honestly... Bill Wyman speculates in his bio, "Stone Alone" that Brian may have had a seizure in the pool and drowned. Because one of his offsprings, a girl has that trouble and her mother has no history of seizure in her family.
I think Bill was right on that i had a girlfriend who had what is known as absence seizures these are not like the grand mal seizures, but just just a temporary period of a black out lasting a minute or so when she went to the baths she had to have someone with her and or inform the lifeguard
Thanks for the docco. Great to see confirmation on many Jones facts. I was doing my second last year of high school when all this happened. But of course Hendrix and Joplin were the ones that the news broke high school students' hearts. Remember it like it was last week.
Brian and Jim Morrison also broke peoples hearts not just Joplin
@@aryalogo6624 Janis Joplin one person
@@aryalogo6624 Rubbish
Sadness came after Brian died, and then the band rolled forward, kept creating The Rolling Stones music that included the lessons of who once lived. Brian’s potential was lost, but his memory has much to be discovered as to who for himself was he. Heaven bound that’s for certain.
Addiction stole Brian's soul, I don't think he went down on his knees and prayed to be an addict when he was a kid, there's 3 sides to this story before Brian's death, his version, the stones version & the Actual version, may he rest in peace ♥️🎸
So, Brian was murdered.
Nope
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Good work. And I really dug the Be Bop Deluxe elpee partially hidden behind you.
Jones of the Rollin Stones was a master Musicman!!!
Long live Rolling Jones! 🎸🎻🎷🪕🪘🎹🎺🎧🥁 multi instrumentalist extraordinaire!!! ✌️
No, actually he wasn't.
Jones' musical abilities were quite limited and unsophisticated.
@@williardbillmore5713 eh yer just jelly 😆✌️
@@williardbillmore5713 WHAT???
@@effdonahue6595 Give me some examples of what you believe demonstrates Jones' "master musicianship", and be prepared to be embarrassed.
Brian Jones lived a life of excess like most pop stars of the 1960's and he packed more women, drugs and music in his short like than most people who live three times as long.Blue Turns to Grey sums up his love life.
Exquisite detail!
Great work
Great episode. As always a fascinating story and well presented. You are so right that over and over again musicians get locked in substance abuse and can't recover. Such a tragedy. Brian was a brilliant musician and ahead of his time in his discovery of Gnawa music in Morocco. RIP Brian.
Jones was not a "brilliant musician ", by any measure. His musical abilities were quite limited and sophomoric. He could peck out a simple melody on a handful of novel instruments and his guitar playing was very mediocre.
He could not write anything and he could not sing at all.
@@williardbillmore5713 Go to sleep.
Great (!) shirt man! :)
Worn proudly, my man! Love your stuff.
this was GREAT thanks , i think you're right about all of it !😀
No way, man. You can't say it doesn't matter how a person died, that he was going to die anyway, considering his condition. What a waste of thought! If Jones was murdered, it's more important to prosecute his murderer than it is to absolve the worm just because Jones was sick, hurt, and "dying". You put your foot in your mouth on that one, Historian.
Jagger wanted to channel Lucifer-and succeeded
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Still, I can never understand how someone can say that somebody confessed then deny it. That's a story in itself.
Brilliant assessment! yOU NAILED IT.
Very deep, brother. Great storytelling in that mix. Well done!
His case was sealed for 50 years what about Brian's girlfriend who had a kicking saying he was murdered
Also he owned the name the rolling stones. Wasn't it weird that they did the film performance a.rock star all alone, in a house with a criminal, Brian, easily could have got his life back together and started something else, and stayed authentic to the blues, and rode the Fleetwood Mac, blues boom, etc. He was a problem for stones, where Klein went . . . . Things happened, Sam cook, Beatles, stones, and that ex policeman that ran about for stones. Brian's new girlfriend got a kicking, and her new partner after Brian's death, got blame, but it was the person she accused Brian of having a "fight with" on night of his death. 50 years sealed.
@@justincase6201 your right I'm sure, I do music myself if you click on link and pass it about I'd be grateful been offered deals on the past but find industry, from eduction (colleges) upward shady, although I suppose it's just your luck
@@justincase6201 im interested to know the name of the film . id like to hunt it down and see it. thanks
@@justincase6201 thank you. . Will do my best
@@justincase6201 actually just ordered it on e bay should have it about nov 5-10
Excellent analysis!
☆☆☆☆☆
Nice job here frend!
Legend : an old story that is widely believed but cannot be proved to be true.-- Merriam-Webster
Most legends are not true and are inflated and exaggerated with retellings and pop lore. The worshipping of Brian Jones and attributing all kinds of things he was not capable of are a recent addition to rock music folk lore.
He was a mediocre, although solid rhythm guitar player, when he was sober. He could not write, at all. He could not sing, at all... and his stage persona was odd and creepy often making strange grimaces and head movements while mugging for the cameras.
By all indications from accounts of his personal life and personality he was a psychopath or at the very least a sociopath.
Get lost, fake fan.
Mick Taylor was a fantastic addition to the band. Pity he didn't stay.
@@mikebusack2766 again, Keith showed his professional jealousy of Taylor......
Mick Taylor had a fit with Keith that caused him to leave the band.
Not to mention Mick Taylor was trying to avoid the pitfalls of the rampant heroin and cocaine use by Jagger and Keef......
@@thomasfoss9963 I remember a few decades ago reading a book about the stones in which they said that Keith would take his guitar into the bathroom for as long as 12 hours at a time while he practiced with it, shot up and then hoping for a BM because he was so constipated from the heroin. It also said in the book that in order to get off the smack, Keith would go to a private clinic in Switzerland and have his blood completely recycled within a 24-hour period. I don't know how true that was but I wouldn't have put something like that past him.
@@nonamegame9857Right-- I've read/heard some of those same stories... They definitely led a crazy, fast paced lifestyle with all the glit, glamour, and girls!!!!!!!! It's amazing that Keith is still amongst us! There are lots of jokes and stories about Keiths lifestyle and longevity!!!! What really happened with Brian, we may never know..........
New subscriber. Great story on the great Brian Jones 👍.
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There are no marimbas on Sympathy…. Brian plays acoustic on the track which can be heard very low in the mix.
It would appear you’re right. Must have been reading bad information.
@@TheGuitarHistorian Brian plays marimba on Under My Thumb.
@@BigSky1 damn that’s probably what I read and I just got mixed up when writing it.
@@TheGuitarHistorian of course you'll be facing detention after school. It'll be in study hall, room 112. See that you report 5 minutes after last bell. They consequences of skipping it, will be reflected in the rather nasty note, we'll be sending to your parents. See you there.
Nice video. It does matter how he died. It matters to his family and friends. If it was murder, manslaughter or accident makes a difference. It's almost like they gave up on him or did they find out things that were better left unsaid. Tough to call.
Fair point. If it were my father, I’d want to know for sure.
Back in those days they didn't have a Betty Ford Center or 12 step programs. There really wasn't any place that Mick & the boys could put Brain. Especially in the UK , so i only can blame it on the times. If they had places like that maybe there would be more Rock stars around now. I'm not saying that them places work for everybody (especially me , only time helped me) but , they could of gave them a change. Thank you kindly , Kevin
He may have needed a court mandated stay in Broadmoor. Maybe saved his life. Could have,Would have,Should have, all well and truly too late now.
Should a Should of farted but he sh!+ himself
-good story-telling!
I was in the zone when it happened. The Stones traded him to be the number one rock band in history.
Amen. All the biggies have made Faustian bargains. Beatles lost Paul. Who lost moon. Zeppelin lost Bonham. And of course The Stones gave Jones for their fame. People refuse to see this for what it is. The music bizz . Is fueled demonically . If u look u will see.
You were in the Rolling Zone! ✌️
@@effdonahue6595 MORE THAN ROLLING, FULL BLOWN PSYCHO-DELIC.
@@markshriver6538 yeah baby! 😆
Greatest band of all time
brother , you did it again ,POIFECT stuff ! jones was like 70 % of the stones music you can hear his influence right thru mick #2 tenure ,CLEARLY ! not gonna name songs but just undeniable in sound and lyrics ,still watch the CIRCUS {R & R} and chuckle seeing BJ looking all kinds of burnt out ,BUT no way did he deserve mick and {junki} richards abuse, fact is they lost my following to the pt that i had tickets for the garden in 75 ,i got to the front DOOR {near literally} found out i was 1 night early !,so i know about being burnt out 1st hand ,a-duh, anyway went home via subway and NEVER LOOKED BACK ,iow told my buds SELL THE F..KIN THING i aint going back for the LOST stones ,suited me fine ,its only rock and roll was the LAST stones song i enjoyed and the very last remnants of BJones i heard from them ,charlie WAS the last of em that REALLY was a STONE ,f..k mick and his junki bud, your the 1st cat iv subscibed too ,PERIOD ,good show
Excellent presentation
Clicked on your video, was making myself comfortable when I looked up right at 3:22 ...to Ginger Baker grinning at me. Where did you find a pic of that man smiling??? Lol! Good topic, but you get the thumbs up for that smiling pic of Mr. Baker alone!
Reports say he loved to laugh… just at others’ expense 😂
@@TheGuitarHistorian I was thinking to myself that someone must have been off frame suffering in some manner! Meanest bastard in rock and roll history! 🤣
Makes me think of that documentary where the guy tried to make him apologize for knocking the hell out of him with his cane and he just screamed , NO!" 🤣🤣
Wow! This is an absolutely excellent video. What a sad story. I knew it was sad, Brian Jones’s death, but
I didn’t realize how complicated and how sad It got.
I find the point of view that Brian was washed up and destined to die, therefore, it really doesn't matter how he died. Many many people hit low points, especially when drugs are involved, but he was a talented man with a full life ahead of him. Had he found the strength to put the drugs behind him, or gotten help from friends and family, he could have easily found a new lust for life. Then, who knows what the future would have held. But minimizing the circumstances of his death is a little bit disconcerting from my point of view.
Fair point. In rewatching it I realize it kind of came out the wrong way.
he did put the drugs behind him gosh do the proper research he was also a serious guy
@@TheGuitarHistorian In the whole video you put out was rather good.Except i agree with paul deem 100%. It left me with a weird feeling about you and "that notion" you came out with....Terrible, because with help and love a person has always a chance of new. Especially if one is so young.
@@TheGuitarHistorian - he was murdered by the contractor. Or maybe not, but you can't just dismiss the actual circumstances. This account is just shallow baseless psychologizing, the cliché classic rock 27 club story line.
The thing is his autopsy shows therapeutic drugs and a couple of drinks. He was murdered
Excellent
Great insight in his psyche. The best. Thanks a lot.
Yeah I really got a kick out of the video, it was fantastic, and the old pictures I had never seen. I read “Up and Down With The Rolling Stones” back in the late ‘70’s, and this sounded a lot like it. You still don’t know whether to feel bad for Jones, or get mad at him. That’s the way substance abuse works. You get the bad side of the person whether you want it or not. I do think the fact that he probably got murdered, I know Keith always thought that was the case, cut his life short in an immeasurable way, and the comment from you that he would’ve died soon anyway, was just a hair immature. Substance abuse with smart people doesn’t work that way- he was just overmatched by the situation, couldn’t control it, and tried to escape it. And he finally did. The weight was off. He may have died early, but not until he had put out about 8 or 10 albums trying different things with different people. RIP
Keith was in no condition to play in Cleveland Ohio in the late seventies. They owe me 30 dollars
GREAT commentary.
Anyone know why Brian Jones had his hair bleached white and buried 10 ft. deep? Was that some kind of last wishes (who has a will at 27 years of age) or something or is that some sort of standard practice because I just don't get it?
Was wondering the same